Scotland’s greatest night + can Spurs win away at Arsenal?

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0:10Totally Football Show Today Macduff no more Drama in Glasgow A Scottish play Defeats the Dane In the Shakespeare tragedy Classico Is this a World Cup place I see before me Also Wow Harry Wilson As Wales captain Leeds side to a Seven goal spanking Of North Macedonia We round up the Complete playoff picture Ask when is now and get all the rest of the week's qualifying news. Plus, what say we have a bit of a look ahead to the weekend's action as the Premier League returns with Spurs looking to cut Arsenal's lead in the North London derby and Eddie Howe hoping to beat Man City for the very first time ever.

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0:54Thursday, 20th of November. Joining us today in the Totally Football Studio, listener, we have Duncan Alexander. Hi, James. Hi, Duncan. Charlie Ockershow's here too. Hello. Hello to you, Charlie. And also with us, Benji Laniado. Go on then, Benji. What? You had the rumours? What? What are the rumours? About PicFair's Black Friday sale. You've not heard of this? No, literally, if you're an enthusiastic photographer... Where's a compliance regulation? No, no, just... If you're used to just putting your photos on Instagram, getting likes and whatever, there's literally never been a better time to take that next step.

1:32Has there never been a better time? And launch a photography website. Has there really never been a better time? Yeah, 60 % off, Jimbo. Seriously, we've never done this before. Wow. Anyway, hi, hi, hi, hi. Hi to you. How you doing? Enough of these fineries. Tell us more about Pickfair's 60 % off Black Friday sale. No, I don't want to overdo it, Jimbo. Is there a coupon? Yes, I think it's Black Friday 60 is what you want to be looking for. But just go and sign up as normal. Isn't there like a friends and family style coupon? Do you know what? I'll sort you out, Jimbo. We'll talk about this. For the listener.

2:00Yeah, Black Friday 60, Jimbo. All right. There you go, listener. Benji. Hi. What a week of internationals, eh? Oh, I mean, we're going to talk about Scotland. I think it's one of the funnest things I've ever seen in football. Yeah. Magic. Just magic. Duncan, you're going to miss these internationals, aren't you? I am. Yeah. I think the same to Charlie before the show that there's been a few people who've ill-advisedly done the classic, oh no more international breaks till March which sometimes works as content but they've been rightly shouted down after probably one of the funnest weeks of international I mean the last qualification thing before a World Cup is always going to be the primo one but it certainly delivered Those tweets were probably pre-written a couple of weeks ago just get them out of the way we know that come Thursday or Friday we'll have that whereas actually it feels like this is a club football break from those great internationals.

2:56We have to wait until March until we get another round of potentially similar drama when the European and intercontinental play-offs take place. And we will never get another November international break. Isn't that right? No, we do. Because aren't they condensing them all into one break? No, they're condensing September and October into one. So we won't have November. You can't touch November. Keeping the sanctity of November. I believe we won't have November. No, I think we're keeping November. Yeah, I thought it was the September and October that emerged. September, October merge. November, Spawn the Monster stays the same.

3:28That's my understanding. Well, I'm sure you're right, Duncan. For a month HQ. Given our respective track records, I'm backing you. Hey, Benji, tell your uncle he's now globally famous. I've heard about this. Uday, Uday from New York, to give him his full name, says he's a big fan of the shows for almost a decade now. Thanks, Uday. Several years ago, Benji Laniado, that's you, Benji, introduced us to Uncle Jeff's coefficient, being a hopeless Newcastle fan. I'm not sure if he's a hopeless Newcastle fan or a fan of hopeless Newcastle. I built my own Microsoft Excel document, Wizardry, and diligently tracked it.

4:04And he's given us a URL. Well, he's transposed that said spreadsheet into an actual full website. Yeah. That sort of runs continually and updates each team's Uncle Jeff coefficient. It's amazing, isn't it? This guy's amazing, yeah. The address, listener, if you're curious, is Uncle Jeff's coefficient, one word, Couldn't believe that URL was available, but there we go. And because it's Black Friday, you still don't have to pay anything because some people don't charge for all their great internet services. Anyway, thank you very much, Ude. We'll have a little play with that later on. Premier League Match Day 12 will be coming along shortly.

4:41First, more of that World Cup qualifying results.

4:47Big news on Tuesday with Scotland. they were needing a win in their head-to-head with Denmark to avoid a playoff. They took the lead through Scott McTominay in amazing fashion, then twice let the Danes pull level. Then, when it looked like they'd blown it, they found two spectacular late goals after the 90. This is Scotland, remember? To butt their place at the World Cup for the first time in 28 years. Also confirming their places this week, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Spain, Germany and Austria. Germany with a 6-0 against Slovakia Belgium with a 7-0 against Liechtenstein Netherlands 4-0 against Lithuania Spain and Austria not quite as emphatic the scorelines 2-2 for Spain against Turkey Austria who had a bit of a scare against Bosnia and Herzegovina but eventually got the goal they needed to equalise and top the group There were three CONCACAF sides who also booked their place at the next World Cup That's Haiti I never know how to pronounce that Haiti Haiti.

5:47Just sounds wrong. Haiti, Panama. Panama. And Curaçao. Yeah. Oh, Curaçao. Dick Advocats Curaçao, that is. They drew 0-0 with Steve McLaren's Jamaica, who are no longer Steve McLaren's Jamaica because he resigned straight afterwards. Curaçao becoming, Duncan, the smallest nation ever to qualify for the World Cup. I've seen differing reports of how many people there are in Curaçao, but it's certainly less than 200 ,000 or as you put it last week roughly the size of Swindon or population wise on a market day yeah not sure about their roundabout situation perhaps we'll know as the World Cup's roll close so we also completed the playoff pick char and getting the right kind of playoff spot were Wales thanks to their 7-1 thumping of North Macedonia which we'll be getting onto very very shortly But first, Scotland.

6:47This is the Totally Football Show with James Richardson, part of the Athletic FC podcast network. Get a lie by Froholt. He's human. They've given it away. Here's McLean. He's going to shoot. He's done. He's done. Is that a good one?

7:07That's unbelievable. Norwich's Kenny McLean finishing off an outrageous 4-2 victory with an outrageous chip over Schmeichel from the halfway line. And Charlie, the best bit is the commentator going... Oh, sorry. Yes, the commentators are telling him what to do. Shoot, shoot. Shoot is great. I mean, yeah, the perfect level of partisanship. You can't see that Schmeichel is off his line. So it's just normal commentary. And he goes, shoot, shoot. Yeah, it is great. Yeah. Fantastic. And in mid-air. He's done him! He's done him! just wow benji you called this one of the greatest what did you call it i think it's one of the greatest moments in like british footballing history like the thing that i thought made it so incredible is that there were there must have been thousands of people with their phones out recording waiting for the final whistle yeah and of course they then capture this moment and so you know the sort of social media algorithms must you know understandably think i'm scottish the amount of different angles i've seen of that goal now and every single one is incredible and it's just joyous yeah there's so many you're right and also there's the other scene which is the people in pubs yes who are also filming for the same reason and i think i've watched even more of those people just screaming at the tv to for the ref to blow which you suspect he couldn't hear but it's understandable and then just the sort of ray there's a brilliant one where a guy's just seething that the ref hasn't blown the full time and then his face just seeks as the ball's in the the air into this sort of almost like a newborn baby like a sense of joy and it I mean it was one of the greatest games ever.

8:38I mean to have the yeah any of those three moments you know that first goal the Tierney goal or the last goal are all in and of themselves kind of all-time moments all-time goals or yeah Shannon's 0.98 xg effort um yeah you've got three absolute all-timer goals all coming in the same game. Well, you enjoy watching it on TV and repeatedly on social media. Imagine what it was like to be there. Laura Brannan, we spoke to on Monday ahead of the game. She went along and she joins us now. Laura, welcome back. Thanks for having me back on. I'm glad it's in happy circumstances. Well, indeed. How is everyone?

9:18Has everyone come down yet after Tuesday? I think it was an unofficial National Bank holiday on Wednesday in Scotland. I don't think many people, at least if they went to work, they weren't concentrating on work and just scrolling through all their feeds. The algorithm has been beautiful for the last day or so. It was extraordinary because you needed a win, you got a win. You didn't just get a win, but you got it in spectacular fashion. And you also had the period of creeping dread between Scott McTominay's wonderful overhead kick and then that final flurry when it looked like you kind of gone and Scotlanded it up.

9:53If you had scripted it, it would have sounded utterly ridiculous the way it all materialised. It was the most Scotland thing ever and at the same time the least Scotland thing ever. I think we've always dreamt of having that sort of drama and importance going into the final stages regardless of how much toll it takes on your heart and your nervous system but to have that dream scenario in stoppage time is what it's peak football, it's how football should be and we did it the way that everyone's always dreamt of doing it But it's not the Scottish way to get lady luck in these terms, to get the lucky breaks where we don't normally get them.

10:34Everything that happened to us normally happens against us. So it's just, what's changed? What magical thing has happened in the world that switched the fortunes? Well, what's changed is an interesting question. We'll maybe get onto that in a second. But it was Scott McTominay who opened the scoring, after which it was all Denmark. They equalise through the penalty, which certainly wasn't a decision that went Scotland's way. Then they go down to 10 men. Then you get the Lawrence Shanklin goal, putting Scotland back ahead, back in line for a World Cup place. But no, four minutes later, Dorgo is equalised for Denmark and they're now going through to the World Cup.

11:12And with 90 minutes played, it is still them who are topping the group and going straight through. So what was it like there at Hampden Park when the next four or five minutes happened? When Denmark got their second goal it was very much the feeling of here we go again this is exactly what is the typical Scotland mentality we lose it and we're scrambling at the death it doesn't quite happen and it's just like here we go right same old when we go into stoppage time I don't think anyone was aware of just how late the Tierney goal came because when we were leaving after we all thought it was maybe around 82, 83 but I think maybe that's linked with how much stoppage time was actually played in the end so when Tierney got the goal unbelievable goal.

11:53Unfortunately, I think he's going to be overshadowed in the history books by two even better goals when that alone for skill and magnitude was insane. When that goal then did go in, for the third time, you're having these insane celebrations. I mean, I was out of breath. I'm quite fit. I don't think I am actually anymore because I was so out of breath after the celebrating and the hyperventilating that then you think, OK, there was maybe two, three minutes left to stoppage time after that goal but he's going to add time on because of the celebrations and everything so you're thinking we're going for four or five minutes here and it is shades of when we went two goals up against England in 2017 and you're just like just get the ball in the corner just get it out to Rosette anything everyone is screaming corner corner and it is just sheer panic I've never felt a three or four minutes like that in my life before so then when Kenny McLean does get the ball at the halfway line.

12:52It is insane to think that Scotland closed it off by having a buffer and actually put the cherry on top. That is the least Scotland thing of all time, to have a cherry on top of the cake. Well, after the celebrations died, the question now is you qualify for the first World Cup since 1998. What kind of Scotland is it going to be there? Steve Clarke afterwards was saying, if I give myself a little bit of credit, it took me a year 18 months to figure out how to take this team forward but I think I chose the right way was there something different that he did on Tuesday night or was it just those spectacular almost freak goals dressing up in other worrying Scotland performance there is a combination of as I say we're getting the breaks just now which is very unlike us the players of almost a man mentioned Steve Clark's team talk as well in the team hotel before they left now we're never going to know what he said but in my head I'm picturing it like William Wallace and it clearly stirred the players you could see it in their faces the players have always had this kind of cliche term of we're like a squad you know they're a very strong group they've been together now for a good six seven eight years but there was something different on their faces on Tuesday night where when the goals were going in it wasn't one player running away to do a knee slide and taking all the glory.

14:11They were huddled together. They were cuddling each other. The faces looked exhausted. And it was almost like not exhausted from the 90 minutes, but exhausted from the years and years of pain and heartache and stress and losing goals in the last minute. All of that built up and you could see it all just release in their face at full time and their tears. It really felt something just watching the players, which I wasn't actually expecting that element to it. Yeah, an emotional post-game interview from several of them not least Andy Robertson talking about his Liverpool team-mate Diogo Jotter and the thoughts that he'd been thinking the recollections he'd been having ahead of the game and what was the mood like on the terraces then when the final whistle blew?

14:56Just the most incredible party, honestly everyone was together everyone's jumping, bouncing around the tunes are on the players are coming over to celebrate with the fans honestly I've hugged so many strangers over the last few days I don't think we're ever going to experience anything like that again honestly inside a football stadium and that's that's the magical thing is we got to do it inside the football stadium 2020 it was COVID times we're all sitting at home watching it 2024 the qualification for the Euros in Germany we qualified by Spain and Norway that their full-time whistle Scotland weren't playing that night so again we're sitting on our couch watching a game of football on tv we've never had that moment inside the stadium to hear the full-time whistle and watch the reaction the pitch watch the reaction in the stands and the scenes were just unbelievable i i honestly don't like we'll get anything like that again man absolutely well who knows what you'll get next summer in usa mexico and canada but congratulations and well done for getting along and thank you so much for joining us today thank you so much for having me Laura Brannan.

16:08That was amazing. It also sort of vindicates supporting a team that aren't that good. We've talked about this before with West Ham, where England have just had a qualifying campaign. You've seen it's got the West Ham. What I'm trying to say is that England have just... Frank McAvenny approved this message. There you go. England won every game in their campaign, right? Yeah. And didn't concede a single goal. How did it make you feel? You envy Laura, don't you? I do. I've been feeling jealous of the Irish and the Scottish to have that moment of extreme exultation. Well, okay, when was the last time England fans had that?

16:42Maybe, what, Beckham v Greece? Well, no, to be fair, Olly Watkins, yeah. Literally, a year or so. Oh, qualifying? Oh, yeah, but I mean, qualifying's... But as in that's a major tournament. If you're having a major tournament, that's still... And we were expected to qualify. We should have beaten Greece. Even at the Euros, we should have won that semifinal against the Dutch. The Bellingham overhead kick, well, you know, similar, but we were kind of pulling ourselves out of a mess. This was like against the odds in the last minute of a qualifying campaign that you're not expected to top the table in.

17:13And they did it. Like these moments only happen if you support a team that aren't that good. So yeah, absolute props to Scotland. And yeah, very jealous of Laura. It's wonderful. Commiserations to the Danes who dominated most of that game. Wouldn't you say the numbers? Yeah, they kind of did, but they also didn't. They were a bit passive, I thought. There was that stat that flashed up on screen at one point. It was 17 shots to Denmark and one to Scotland. It finished 18-10, so obviously evened up quite a lot as the game got more frantic. Post-10 men as well. Yeah, and they... I mean, the doggy finish was great.

17:46Lovely. Lovely little turn of the leg, but... Shame that's been slightly overshadowed, I feel like. Yeah, I'm not sure that one will be replayed on Danish social media that much. But, yeah, I mean, it's a huge failing for a country with the talent of Denmark. And obviously we find out today who they get in the playoffs in March. And I'm sure Ireland fans are slightly worried that they might draw Denmark now as well. Spurs fans will enjoy, James Moore pointed this out, an absolutely classic Pierre-Emil Hojbjerg moment where he, for the second goal, the Shanklin goal, the corner comes in, he doesn't clear it, he doesn't head it away, it just goes over him.

18:20And then he just starts pointing at other people, which is the most Pierre-Emil Hojbjerg thing. I never got to write it, but when he left, I wanted to write this piece called he came, he saw, he postured. Because that basically summed up his time at Spurs. And we saw it again. As much as we feel sorry for the Danes, had they beaten Belarus last Saturday, as expected, they would have been the ones qualifying automatically. But instead, into the playoffs this March, they go. Draw for that happening a little bit later on today. But not in time for us to include in the podcast. You know already, don't you?

18:50Anyway, next up, let's talk a little bit more about other international things.

19:01This is the Totally Football Show, part of the Athletic FC podcast network. The Athletic is the only place you can read articles by Daniel Taylor, Amy Lawrence, Phil Hay, James Pearce, Olly Kay, and the very best football writers around. Coming up this March, a collection of massive footballing names all desperate to make it to the World Cup. That's Duncan, Jules, and me. We're appearing on stage live at the Totally Football Show on the 23rd of March. 23rd of March, just ahead, actually, of the playoffs. That's going to be at the Leicester Square Theatre. Listen, would you like to be there? You can click on the link in the episode description or basically just Google Leicester Square Theatre.

19:42They'll have all the info. I would act fast, though, because limited seats available. Also in March, of course, there are those playoffs. We don't know who gets who. We do know the pot, so Denmark are in pot one. along with Italy, Turkey and Ukraine. And those pot one teams will get a team from the fourth pot, which is Sweden, Romania, Northern Ireland and North Macedonia, which is currently causing panic in Italy because in all of football history, there are only three teams that have stopped Italy from going to a World Cup. Northern Ireland and North Macedonia. All three of them. Whoa. Whoa.

20:20That's spooky. That is spooky, isn't it? Yeah. I was in Italy on Sunday for their... Oh, were you? I was in Turin for the ATP finals. But yes, there was some very, very depressed Italian media around. It didn't sound great. 58. Well, I hit it at 58. There was this crazy game at Windsor Park where basically there was fog. Italy basically had to delay the game because there was fog, either at their departure point or in Belfast. and the Italians refused to travel because obviously memories of Supergund that. So when they eventually did play, I can't remember exactly the circumstances, but they were expected to go there, get the result they needed to go through.

21:00Northern Ireland held them, I think, to a draw, but as a result, they didn't go to the 58 World Cup. That's the only World Cup they'd ever missed until they started doing it all the bleeding time. Sweden was the Zlatan game. That was the game. No, Zlatan, are you thinking of 2004? I'm not sure, but there was definitely a playoff where Zlatan overcame. I think it was golless at San Siro in... I mean, you might be right, Benji. North Macedonia... No, no, no. The last time was 2004. North Macedonia was the Goran Pandev. Pandev. Yeah, yeah. Of all people. Of all people. Made his name in Israel. He's not there anymore.

21:32I mean, he's in North Macedonia perhaps, but not in the team anymore. Anyway, listen, you might be thinking, yeah, that's fine, but they actually drew Romania, so what are you talking about? So we'll move on. The other two pots, though, who will be drawn against each other, Poland, Wales, Czech Republic, and Slovakia. And they'll be at home to Republic of Ireland, Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo. Wales, though, eh? Wales, we had Tom Williams in the other day. They were already in the playoff, but it was a question of which side of the draw they'd be on. They, thanks to that 7-1 win over North Macedonia, will be at home for the semifinal.

22:11One of the best performances in the nation's history, they are calling it. It's 7-1. They hadn't scored seven in a game since 1978. And for further context, North Macedonia hadn't been beaten in the entire qualifying campaign. They'd only conceded three goals in total before this match. They did get beaten, and they shipped more than twice that. Crikey. Harry Wilson, did you all see his hat trick? Gorgeous, no? Lovely to see. I think everyone likes Harry Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. Tidy plant. Back from suspension. His first international hat trick. also the Brennan Johnson goal was very very nice to look at anyway best of luck to Wales in the draw which has already happened and yet at the same time hasn't what an interesting temporal conundrum that is has the draw already happened or has it not for the listener it has a tree falls over at UEFA HQ I got one of those later for you by the way oh yeah weird sort of Twilight Zone thingies, no no no it's related to Ollie Watkins and the Saudi desert.

23:14We'll get there. All right. But is it now or is it later? Well, this is the point. It's something that doesn't exist yet. It's the same moment, isn't it? It's something that doesn't exist yet, but does. But does. Well, that's doing my head in. Let's talk about the intercontinental playoffs instead, which are happening in March. FIFA World Cup 2026 TM playoff tournament, it's called. This is in Mexico. We now know the six teams in the most eclectic line-up possibly ever in international football. New Caledonia are there. Bolivia are there. Democratic Republic of Congo are there. Two runners-up from CONCACAF are there.

23:52Suriname and the now managerless Jamaica. Plus Iraq, who beat the United Arab Emirates 2-1 to book their spot in Mexico. They're winning penalty coming in the 17th minute of stoppage time. Woo! I'm going to be tuning in for that in March. That is an amazing group of teams. While we're on the subject of the World Cup as well, a quick word for joint host USA. It's been a while since we checked in on them. Last time, we were talking about how they were a bit rubs, had really struggled in the CONCACAF Nations League and are generally really underwhelming under Pochettino who didn't seem to get what it was all about.

24:32Anyway, fast forward a few months and they are unbeaten in the last five games. they defeated Japan which nobody does right now they're the only team to have done that of late and then this past week they got back to back wins over Paraguay and now on Tuesday Marcelo Bielsa's Uruguay they didn't just beat them they beat them 5-1 including a red card for Benton Cor I believe he got a straight red having already been booked which is quite a lot in a friendly I like that it's a niche yeah yeah yeah adding to three yellows effectively in a game adding to American excitement over this result was the fact it was a heavily rotated team from Pochettino.

25:08Nine changes from the 2-1 victory over Paraguay. So a lot of MLS-based players, including Orlando City's Alex Freeman, who got a lovely brace as this kind of USB team pretty much bossed the Bielsa boys. It's hailed as a coming-of-age victory for Pochettino in terms of his USMNT management. In Uruguay, a very different reaction. Doubts now abound about Bielsa's position. Will he even make it to the World Cup? We should point out that fans of the FIFA rankings, and I hope we all are, that USA are ranked 14 to Uruguay's 16. Are they? So it's not, I mean, it's a shock in terms of the margin of victory, but it's, you know.

25:48Interesting. Yeah, it's a tricky one with USA because they are, they're better than people think they are sometimes and worse than people think they are as well at the same time. It's like time, isn't it? Yeah, very much. Who are the stars? Is it still your Pulisic's and your wares? and Tyler Adams. But as James said, this was very much a featuring girl from Seb Behalter. Obviously, his dad managed the team before Potch. Indeed. Anyway, in Uruguay, so after the Copa America, Luis Suarez had been quite explicit about a really bad atmosphere in the team. He said that a bunch of players had told him that they weren't going to play again for the nation under BLC.

26:27He certainly had retired, I mean, for age reasons, more than I think anything. And Suarez talks about the fact they had to schedule a meeting with Marcelo Bielsa just to get him to say good morning to them in the morning, which he then failed to do after that. And that there was just a terrible vibe about everything, the training, the reserves and the first team had to train at different times. There's no way to build up any kind of team spirit. Said Suarez back then, the player's going to reach a limit and explode. And a lot of people in Uruguay looking at Tuesday's performance against USA were saying, well that's what's happened here.

27:01So we'll see. We'll see what happens. USA anyway will continue their series of friendlies. They've booked Portugal and Belgium for March and then for early June just ahead of the tournament they've got Germany and one other. That's a meaty series of opponents. So I guess we'll get a clear idea of exactly how good this USMNT is. And obviously they're in pot one for the draw because they're hosts. The draw which is coming up on Friday the 5th. December the 5th. not a draw to be missed I would suggest or if you do miss it and it will be recorded so if you miss it don't worry it'll be on the internet or if you're not a fan of longueur and speeches and eventually a bit of peace prizes is that going to be at the draw?

27:50I think it's in and around that time that's going to be exciting I just wonder who's going to anyway we will be doing a round up of the draw afterwards with our thoughts. So yeah. Anyway, World Cup eh? Can't wait. Back to the Premier League though eh Charlie? Big time. Unless there's any other bit of international we can delay with? Not until, no. No? Alright then. Until March. Next up then, Premier League Match Day 12.

28:24This is the Totally Football Show. Part of the Athletic FC Podcast Network. Many thanks to Uday from New York. I was having a bit of a play with his... One thing, actually, Uday, you say it's an ode to Uncle Jeff's coefficient set to the Knight Rider design theme. Oh, I see. Visually, it's set. I was expecting the... to play while I used it, which was the main reason I clicked on it. Uday, can you put that on? Yeah, that makes sense. License it and put it on, clearly. I had to hum it in my head as I scrolled through the the winners and losers if you're new to the Uncle Jeff coefficient this matches the points you've won from fixtures so far this season with the identical fixtures from last season Manchester City are the big winners so far was that a well I'm just saying that you also you switch out the relegated teams for the promoted teams in the order in which they were promoted okay all right well Manchester City are currently on plus 11 that feels like a lot in their Uncle Jeff coefficient.

29:24I think it shows their struggles from last season. Unexpected. Arsenal. Wait, is that right? Yeah. Did they imagine that you were passing? According to Ouday's bleeding... No. Yeah, Excel document. 11 more points than last season. No, 11 against those opponents. Oh, against those opponents. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Charlie. Take that back. Uncle Jeff coefficient is not a direct comparison. Sorry. It's a much more nuanced and accurate depiction of how well you're performing against last year's form. And Uncle Jeff has now lost control of it because it's been... I'm not sure how you're going to feel about that.

29:54It's gone sentient. This is the Skynet moment. Anyway. I mean, Knight Rider obviously came out in 1982, which is the year Craig Gordon was born. So that's a nice little, you know. Craig Gordon. Will he make it to the World Cup? We should ask Laura that. Sure, he just revives third choice keeper, at least. Magnificent. I mean, Zoff won it when he was 40. Yeah. Shilton very much didn't when he was 40. Arsenal are plus seven, returning to the UJC. Arsenal plus seven on last year's performances against the same opponents losers, the two biggest losers are De Wolves, minus 12 and Liverpool who are six points down on the same fixtures last season, huh, anyway how do things look in the actual Premier League in boring old present day reality, well Arsenal are top of the table of course four points clear of Manchester City by the time Arsenal play this weekend in the North London derby that could be down to just one point.

30:50Man City, who will be at Newcastle, Arsenal taking on Spurs. Third, two points behind City are Chelsea, who are away at Burnley, and three points behind them in fourth spot are Sunderland. Only a point behind Sunderland, only a point off the top four. You've got further five sides, Spurs, Villa, Man United, Liverpool, and Bournemouth at the bottom. Obviously Wolves, who are eight points from safety, but above them, you've got six teams separated by only three points. in descending order. These are Newcastle, Fulham, Leeds, Burnley, West Ham and Forest. So all those teams either in the bottom three or within the feet are being in it.

31:27Crikey. This weekend's games, Burnley-Chelsea, Saturday lunchtime, Liverpool-Forest, Bournemouth-West Ham, Wolves Palace, Brighton-Brentford and Fulham-Sunderland. Those are all at three on Saturday. Newcastle-Man City is the Saturday tea-tie game. On Sunday at two o 'clock, Leeds-Villa and then the North London derby. Man United Everton on a Monday night. We begin with the NLD. On by Van der Vaart. On by Kabul! 2-0 down! 3-2 up! Spurs at Arsenal! Absolutely extraordinary! A derby day they will never forget! What was that noise, Charlie? That was 15 years ago today. Today? The only Premier League win at the Emirates Spurs have ever produced.

32:18Extraordinary. 3-2 and they came from 2-0 down to do it. Looking back at this footage, it's fun, isn't it? It was extraordinary. Brilliant opening goal from Samir Nasri. And then Arshavin, remember him, for Shamak. Shamak scores, yeah. Shamak. Then Gareth Bale. Gareth Bale. A Van der Vaart penalty. Yep. And Yunus Kabul. Kaboom. Arsenal 2-0 up at half-time and cruising. Right. Yeah. Well. Spurs came back at them. They certainly did. Now, this time, Arsenal are the league leader. Spurs, though, just happened to be the best away team in the division. They won at Man City in August. What are the odds, Charlie, that they might knock Arsenal here?

33:02Well, I think it is a game reasonably well set up for them and for Thomas Frank's Spurs. Thomas Frank had a good record at the Emirates as Brentford manager. He got a couple of draws there. And in another one, Arsenal needed a late winner. They found Thomas Frank's Brentford pretty hard to break down. As you say, Spurs have been very good away from home. They beat City 2-0 at the Etihad, which I guess would be the kind of prototype. What are they going to do here? Both teams are without a lot of players. I mean, that's the thing as well. I think the fans of both teams will be eagerly listening to the medical bulletins from the managers.

33:35Tomorrow, obviously, Arsenal have lost Gabriel, which is pretty huge at both ends of the pitch. Right. getting a bunch of other players back potentially I think that sounds like that might be a bit of a false dawn and I think that will I mean we've heard Havertz Nagelsmann saying that he's not going to be ready heard the Norway manager saying that Odegaard you know isn't as close as was being suggested so some might be Jokeres apparent according to you know people online he's sort of a doubt which would mean Mikel Marino up front which is a pretty huge downgrade on Jokeres. It works really well.

34:10It works. Or just no striker and put Trossard there. I think they're so well, their depth now is something that they've not had previously. And I think that even though they, like Charlie's right, there's quite a lot of players missing here. It doesn't really make me worry about Arsenal. I think they're, do you know my favourite thing to do at the moment? It's a bit mischievous. I sort of say they're turning around, producer Charlie, find an Arsenal fan and tell them they really should win the league this year and just watch them squirm. because I think this is like not really a footballing debate anymore.

34:39They are the best football team in the league. It's all psychological. Well, no, I think it comes down to basically their very good coaching and their very good players versus what seems to be a medical department or bad luck or whatever you put. But that's the, to me, the main battleground this season. If they have anything other than a huge injury crisis like they did last season, which to be fair they have. Or some bad lasagna. Or some bad lasagna. or which they kind of have at the moment without half a dozen attacking players. I mean, there are some teams that would barely have half a dozen attacking players to lose, let alone be without them and be top of the league.

35:12But that's what's going to screw them. Like they, throughout 2025, they've basically had an ongoing injury crisis. Like to the point where you think this can't just be bad luck. Like what's going on there? But yeah, I mean, squad wise, they've coped amazingly well because they basically had all those players out for the last block of games, those four games of which they won three, drew one and were within a few minutes of winning. So that's kind of what it'll come down to. But I wouldn't rule out, you know, they've just lost Gabriel. And the more they go on, they've kind of just got Trossard, Saka and Marino filling in.

35:44And the idea was obviously that Saka wouldn't be paid every game. He'll now get flogged until he gets injured. And the cycle kind of continues. So Trossard has been incredibly important to us. He has been. And he's been out for a good few weeks now. What about Spurs? What's their injury situation? Well, I mean, I've mentioned this before in the pod. I do think for Thomas Frank, the fact he's been without Madison and Kudusiewski for every competitive game. Solanke's still out. Colin Mawani will be out, though they don't think it's as bad as first feared. So, I mean, they're missing a lot of players as well, though it sounds like Kudus will be back.

36:20And Romero, I think he went off early against United, but it's fine and played in the internationals. But yeah, they're missing key personnel as well. But I think if they, that City game is a bit of a prototype for Spurs. They also played in a preseason friendly, which you can read as much as you want into that. But Spurs went ahead 1-0 and dug in and held on to that 1-0. I think it was Spurs to go ahead, given that, you know, what's at stake. I mean, that's the other thing. It is, as Benji mentions, it is an angsty fan base because it's been so long since they won something. They know they're really good.

36:56and against their big rivals, if it looks like they're kind of going to drop points, then I think it could get pretty tense and tetchy. It's not just angsty. It's like, I really think it's tortured because, you know, they haven't won it in a long time. They genuinely, you know, I think they've got the best team in the league this year. You know, injuries notwithstanding. And it's just, there's two things. One is Erling Haaland as the kind of T1000 in their wing mirror. And the other is just the weight of emotion. Can these players handle it? because I live in Finsbury Park and you can feel it.

37:27Everyone is kind of terrified because there is absolutely every chance they should win the league. What I don't know is how much we overstate and conflate fans on Twitter with the players. Like, I don't imagine Bakayo Saka is sat home being like, oh my God, we might win the league. Like, you probably don't become an elite level footballer if that's your mentality. Like, that's fans' mentality for sure. But I think there is a lot of conflation that goes on. It's the same with Arteta. People are often like, oh, he's such a bad loser and all this. it's like, have you actually listened to what he said?

37:56Or are you talking about Arsenal fans? Like, yes, they are bad losers. But yes, there maybe is an element to which fan sentiment at the ground can see things to play. It's a big week coming up for Arsenal, who, of course, before the international break, were held by Sunderland. They have a game with Spurs then. They're going to be up against Bayern Munich on Wednesday, after which they're off at Stamford Bridge for another derby with the Chelsea. That's next Sunday. Spurs, meanwhile, are going to be at Paris Saint-Germain on Wednesday, who they also faced in pre-season, kind of, in the Super Cup.

38:29Did very well. Did very well, yeah. Should have won the game. By the time Arsenal take the field, Man City could be just a point behind if they win away at St. James' Park. Now, Arsenal won there, and so did Liverpool, actually, both with goals in the last minute of stoppage time. But Newcastle are stronger at home. That's still the feeling. They are, though. They're struggling at the moment. But yes, I mean, they're a... Eddie Howe's got a terrible record against Manchester City. How terrible, Duncan? He's faced them 18 times as a manager. And he's won none of them. None of them? So you look at that picture and it feels like, oh, maybe City struggle there.

39:09And they have, I mean, I remember Yorah Arturi scoring there late on in their first title win, which was obviously a key moment as they were clawing back. But yeah, I think generally they do fine. There was a 3-0, wasn't there, a few years ago? Yeah, Ferran Torres got a hat-trick. And last season, to be fair, Newcastle drew this game. Yeah, I mean, it's a big game for Newcastle. We talked about the fact they're in that mix at the bottom. Yeah, I mean, there was a good piece by Conor O 'Neill on the Athletic out yesterday, in fact, about the most congested Premier League ever. I mean, I think this almost feeds into the hysteria online at the moment, is that a couple of wins will have you talking of Europe or title bids, and then a couple of defeats and you're, as Newcastle have experienced, three of the last four they've lost and they're down on the periphery of the relegation battle.

39:57And I think we're seeing it in all the EFL divisions as well this season. I think there's going to be, probably not going to get a real sense for where teams actually should be until maybe January, February because there's so much chopping and changing. Or you could just cut ahead and look at the UJC, which has Man City plus 11 against the same fixtures last year Newcastle minus 6 but it also has Manchester City winning the title I don't understand that the UJC, I don't know how you project it forward I guess you assume all the results will be the same Science, he did an Excel document No Dan Byrne as well for Newcastle He extrapolated I think and Man City win the title I can't remember by how many points by one point from Arsenal and Bournemouth finished fifth.

40:44Anyway, Erling Haaland, who's the only visiting player to have scored at the Emirates so far this season, was bang in form in his international break. He's now up to 32 goals this season. He's on track to get 96 at the end of the season. Wow. I mean, you have to feel if you've got 100 goals in a season, you would win the Ballon d 'Or. You feel like that is, you know. I don't know. You need to do it at the World Cup. Yeah, it depends what happens at the World Cup. Depends. But they'll be there. They'll be there. Did you say Scott McTominay? Absolutely, I did. Yeah. He was in the list last time.

41:19Nick Valdemar as well. He scored in both goals for Germany over this international break. And he's also scored against Arsenal this season. Ooh. What does it mean? I don't know, but we'll find out. Tea time on Saturday. Chelsea, who can also close in a bit on the Gunners before the North London derby. Yeah. because they're away at Burnley and that looks a winnable fixture for Enzo Mariska's side? Hmm, maybe. I think so. I mean, Chelsea won their last seven of the hated Saturday 12.30 games. Jurgen Klopp, Musken Dam. But yeah, they seem to be the one team that actually leans into it. Burnley are a strange team this season.

42:02They're not that good, but there's something about them. They're able to dig in a bit more. Obviously, they took Liverpool almost to a draw. And away, nearly got a draw at United, didn't they? Yeah. So far this season, Scott Parker, former Chelsea man's side, have had the fewer shots, faced the most shots, and had the lowest possession, and are currently sitting outside the relegation zone on goal difference alone. Zian Fleming, the excellently named Zian Fleming, has got three goals in four starts. This fixture as well features one of my favourite ever Premier League assists. first day of the 2014-15 season, you know the one I mean, Cesc Fabregas for André Schürrle.

42:44Unbelievable. It's Fabregas' debut for Chelsea as well. It is unreal. It's kind of a half-volley-weighted first-time pass to Schürrle. Yeah, look it up if you don't remember it. It's unreal. What else is happening this weekend? We'll get on to that next.

43:06you're listening to the totally football show with james richardson now we do four times a week keep up to date with us on insta and enjoy us in glorious technicolor on youtube at the totally show oh the others the others benji mentioned that gaggle of of sides hovering just above the bottom three and bad news for some of those teams is that two of the bottom three are showing signs of life I refer to West Ham United and Nottingham Forest. Forest this weekend are at Anfield Saturday 3 o 'clock. Of course the Tricky Trees won that fixture last season. West Ham at the same time will be away at Bournemouth.

43:44West Ham coming off back-to-back wins. The Cherries coming off back-to-back defeats. Just saying, Benji. I know. Good time to play at Bournemouth. They were like comprehensively walloped by Villa. And Semenyo's Ghana qualified, he's been away on international duty so I'm sort of hoping that he's coming back tired yeah we're looking a lot more sort of coherent, you know ultimately we sort of fluked our way into having quite a good manager in who knows, against all odds we just sort of, he was there and available at the moment that we needed him and there's a really interesting interview to what extent though are you right back with David Moyes of course we are, absolutely we are they're cut from the same cloth, you know strategically, but you wanted to get rid of David Moyes, I didn't okay but listen I'm going to shock you fans are sometimes they sometimes get things totally wrong and they're sometimes hypocritical yeah and ultimately the club didn't have a plan right they were like right the fans don't like Moyes let's get rid of him didn't have a plan got Lopetegui that didn't work Potter didn't work either but then just very luckily at the moment they wanted to get rid of Potter there was Nuno freshly sacked from Forrest he revealed this week he really liked it he was they had a sort of day in their life thing with Nuno with the Premier League and they followed him around and they asked they asked Nuno was like, you know, what did you do to switch off?

44:59And he said, the only thing that truly turns my brain off from football... I hope this isn't a Tom Hollander answer. ...is... No, it's riding a horse. Oh, yeah. Wow. Oh, that's so nice. I love that thought of Nuno just riding a horse. I can't imagine that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and also the fan protests have sort of... It's difficult because they're still going on, as they very much should. And Alan Shearer said something really annoying on Match Today when he was like, oh, you know, the fans should be a bit happier now. It's like, no, no, this isn't about the football. Like, you can be, you know, happier about the football whilst also maintaining a sort of like exhausted ennui about the club as a whole.

45:38But yeah, the football is better. Packetar's out this weekend though because he's suspended. He's suspended, of course. But they don't even say that's when you should protest when results are good to show that you're not just being kind of fickle. Very true. It's because we've lost a few games. Very, very true. By the way, if you haven't read Tom Hollander's name, you really, really should. It's wonderful. And what he does. To relieve the pressure is different. So you mentioned Antoine Semenyo. And a lot of news this week after it somehow mysteriously leaked out that you can buy him for£65 million in the first half of January, given that he's been one of the Premier League's standout players.

46:13I bet Bournemouth were really upset when a price tag was announced for one of their key players for January. Or not. They probably were, right? Would they be? Possibly. Or were they? Do you think they put this out? I think if they had a choice, they would sell him next summer rather than in January, just because he's probably arguably been the player of the season in the Premier League this season. Outside of Harland? You reckon? And yeah, a full season from him could be the difference between getting in that top five. We know they will, thanks to UG. But yeah, I think there will be a scramble for him in January now.

46:50You think there will? Who do you think will be scrambling? He's obviously been linked with Spurs last summer. I think Liverpool would be keen. He's an actual replacement for Salah if Salah's on the slide. Obviously, he started the season playing brilliantly at Anfield and scoring a couple. I do love when clubs do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scored against us, let's just get him. But yeah, I think Manchester United have been linked with him in the past as well. So, I mean, he basically would improve nearly... He's incredibly two-footed, super talented. So, yeah, we'll see what happens. We will. Okay.

47:26Liverpool themselves are up against Forest this Saturday at 3 o 'clock. One front called Jeff's coefficient because they lost this game. This was a rare defeat for them last season. So true. So true. In fact, Arnest Slott is yet to beat Forest. They took four points off the Champions last season. He's also never faced Sean Dyche before. Dyche, by the way, think you know Sean Dyche, think again. and Forrests have scored as many goals in three league matches under the grizzled and growling game-meister as they had in the previous eight matches under Nuno and Ange. Yeah, freewheeling Ange Postacoglu.

48:05Have some of that. I referenced Andy Robertson before in his post-game interview after the Scotland triumph, and I think everybody kind of taking a moment to think maybe we haven't made enough room in our heads for what Liverpool have been going through and what a daily what a daily issue it's been for them that whole sudden and wrenching loss of Diogo Jota so yeah Si Hughes wrote a good piece on this topic in The Athletic actually before the Scotland game so before Robertson's quotes but yeah it's such a difficult one because obviously everyone grieves differently so it's really hard to project and also So, you know, I'm sure, you know, they don't want to be seen to be in a vertical making excuses, which is obviously like, you know, stupid.

48:52But that's how online fan bases anyway would react. It's just such a delicate one. And it's just really impossible to know. But I think you can probably say with some certainty that it will be affecting them, you know, in profound ways. We just don't know exactly. And when and how and all of those things, everyone grieves differently. Yeah. Well, when you talk about being in bits before games, that's obviously quite a major thing. Just on Deitch at Anfield, obviously this was the scene of one of the most beautiful moments in Premier League history. In August 2021, when he took Burnley there and named a 1-11 starting line-up with a squad number of errors, but everyone in their right position and their right number.

49:32It hasn't happened since and it hadn't happened before for a long time. Where was 4? 4 was in Central Midfield. As it should be. Yeah, alongside number 8, Brownhill. Good, good to hear. Number seven on the right one, etc. We know how it works. When are you doing your thing, Benji? What thing? The thing you mentioned at the start. Oh, it's related to either Olly Watkins or Bimbumo. Okay, all right. We can hook it up either. Very shortly. And also I've got a thing about Jordan Henderson. Jordan Henderson, you say. All right. Well, I was going to mention Wolves against Crystal Palace because that's Rob Edwards' first game in charge of Wolves.

50:10What should we expect? Or should we just wait and see? I should expect a very handsome manager giving fantastic speeches at the end of the game. Nice. Good. I'm here for that. Didn't everyone fall in love with him? Wasn't there a kind of... Yeah, yeah. ...fandom? Yeah, yeah. Cried at West Ham, didn't he? He's got a job on his hands, though, can I say, at Wolves. Yeah. Two points after 11 games. You know what they're on course to do. No. No, no, no. We'll see. We'll see. Fulham, they're not looking too good right now. 15th at the moment as they prepare to host Sunderland Saturday afternoon. They are at home, which is good news because 91 % of their points have come at Craven Cottage this season.

50:49But Sunderland, of course, up in fourth place. Rough times at Craven Cottage. This Saturday, we'll have a totally extra out talking about a very different kind of Fulham season. Eh, Duncan? Very much so. Yeah. Very enjoyable. It was great, wasn't it? We had Felix White in off the Maccabees. It was great, yeah. Yeah, tailenders. And you were there as well, Charlie, weren't you? very much so. Duncan, yeah. Listen, do join us. It's going to be out from Saturday. Totally extra. All about when Roy Hodgson's Fulham defied the odds, became the most essential team in European football and all that. Excellent.

51:29There's another totally extra with you, Benji, of course, when we talk about West Ham and their crazy crazy season when they look definitely doomed but came back with that amazing final sequence under Alan Kerbs kerbishly. And he makes an appearance. He makes a little cameo in our podcast. Anyway, that's another Totally Extra. There's loads of Totally Extras out there for the quieter moments in your day, listener. Anyway, Brighton Brentford. That's happening. That might be a quiet moment that you want to listen to a podcast. Well, it's the Data Derby. Data Derby. Benham versus El Numbico. El Numbico.

52:06The thing that I'm Jordan Henderson. I'm really enjoying him and Xhaka this season. Are you? Just the sort of players that you thought had left the Premier League, won't see them again and they come back and really play quite impressively. But Henderson, he was in the England squad over the break. This is the Henderson content you promised us. Yeah, honestly. You know, he's on the verge, on the precipice, Jimbo, of history. Oh? Because if he goes to the World Cup this summer, which he absolutely could, he'll become the first ever England player to appear at seven international, major international tournaments.

52:38Good Lord. Yeah, he's the first tournament was 2012 Euro 2012 Jordan Henderson so yeah props Chapeau Jordan absolutely props as well to Brentford he's had moving things along nicely they've won five of the last seven matches and I'll take you on here a Brighton team who are unbeaten at the Amex this season and admittedly Brentford have lost four of the last five away from home but Brighton are minus seven on their UJC which is perhaps more important than any of the other numbers out there there's a nice little tie in as well back to the international break for people missing third international break because obviously Tony Bloom has invested in hearts who are top of the Scottish Prem with Shanklin firing them and Keith Andrews obviously manager of Republic of Ireland so yeah there you go maybe the two sports are more similar than we first Leeds and Aston Villa Sunday 2 o 'clock gives us a chance to ask Benji what was your Ollie Watkins content okay so uh oh no Watkins was part of the BMW attack.

53:40Do you remember this? At Brentford. So Brentford's BMW in 2020 was, he was the W. Brian Abumo was the M. And does anyone remember who the B was? It was your friend of mine, Saeed Benrahma. Oh, yeah. Anyways, I sort of looked up, where's Saeed Benrahma playing now? And he's currently playing for Neom, right? Oh, yeah. Neom. In Saudi. Well, but Neom doesn't exist yet. So Neom, which is this kind of like linear city they're building in the desert. Or not. Or not. Hasn't got a football club. By the way, do you know who else? You know who's up front for Neon? Your Neon? I saw this the other day. Someone was playing for Neon.

54:17It's Alexandra Lacazette. It's playing up front for Neon. But how can a football team be named after a city that doesn't exist? Lacazette was more famous for his Nyom Nyom than his Neon. Very good. Well, try and go to Port Vale, mate. You'll have a job. Yeah, sure. But isn't there like an area? Is there not even an area called Port Vale? OK, so maybe now we've found the city alongside Port Vale. I give you Atalanta. I mean, there's lots of them. Or Go Ahead Eagles. I doubt that's a city. It doesn't exist. I guess it's like a planned city. Right. MK Duns. I'm more excited by your mention of the BMW acronym.

54:49I like those. That was very much of the height of the acronym. BBC for Italy. Yeah. MSN. MSN. BBC at Real Madrid as well. Oh, yeah. BBC at Real Madrid as well. Possibly my favourite, because in Italy, they do a slightly weird thing where they don't just take the first letter. They do the first two letters, and that's the thing for corporations, for example. They'll be two letters, two letters, two letters. But Napoli back in the day had the Magica front line, which was Careca, Giordano, and a certain Maradona. Magica. That's good. Anyway, Brighton-Brentford, that's at 3 o 'clock on Saturday. 2 o 'clock on Sunday.

55:27Oh, yeah, we were already on this. Leeds, Aston Villa. Oh, Leeds are 16th. Leeds are 16th, having had a pretty easy start. fixture wise only three of their 11 matches were against teams that are currently in the top of the table but their next four games see that difficulty ramp up a lot Villa at home here then Man City away then Chelsea at home then Liverpool at home I do feel like the Daniel Farker sacking oh sort of he's not under pressure yet obviously and shouldn't be but it feels like that sort of grimly inevitable and they're just sort of keeping the wolf from the door for as as possible.

56:03We just got through an international break without anybody. Yeah. Getting bumped. But I feel like they will get sucked down into that bottom because I back West Ham and Forest to climb out of it fairly soon. Right. And then you've got Leeds and Burnley would be the sort of next cabs off that rank. All right. Man United taking on Everton on Monday night. United are on their longest unbeaten run under Amerim in the Premier League. Five matches now. so yeah interesting return for David Moyes of course yeah Manchester United about to begin a quite bizarre run of Premier League fixtures where they just play a lot of Monday night games oh yeah a punishment for not qualifying for Europe you're not going to get in Europe West Ham were doing this until recently yeah we had a few in a row there you go well Sunday night if you're after some top televisual entertainment you can watch our fumbling attempts to record a weekend roundup podcast that'll be from around about 7.30 on YouTube and of course the podcast is available early, I would say bright and early, but let's say early on Monday morning.

57:12That though, I think brings us to the end of today's show, A Charlie. Yeah, sounds like it. Alright then. Many thanks to you, to Duncan, to Benji of Pickfair. Black Friday 60. When is Black Friday? Black Friday is sort of a state of mind for us. A bit like Nyom. Exactly. Black Friday is actually a month long Friday for Pickfair. but ends soon ends soon when does it end? second week of December not soon though no no no it ends end of the month end of November? end of November yeah but when is Black Friday? I thought that was in December isn't it? it's Friday no like a week tomorrow I think it's the last Friday of November is it?

57:49it's the day after Thanksgiving is that right? there you go really? yeah okay anyway fill your boots with discounted Pickfair Plus subscriptions fill your boots with Pickfair today please hmm good thank you Benji cheers Jimbo thank you to Jake and producer Charlie in the booth and you especially listener we return Sunday there is the totally extra and it's a doozy out there on Saturday regarding the remarkable Fulham so enjoy you know I got the assist on that as well I grew up with Felix and threw him at Ben and Charlie oh was that your shout Benji nice one I knew he'd be good he was lovely what a lovely chat what a lovely chat gave us a copy of his new book as well?

58:31He did give us two copies, I think. Well, one each. Two each. So he was talking about the Hodgson season, the run to the Europa. You listen to it, Benji. I'm not going to spoil it. Bobby Zamora, lots of Bobby Shack. Bit of Bobby. Bit of Laurie Sanchez. He comes up. Cheese on the knees. Yes, who was that? Felix Magat. On the bread of hangelands. So bread and cheese. Yeah, nice. I mean, don't worry. There's plenty more good stuff where that came from in this week's Totally Extra. For now, though, listener, goodbye from all of us here you've been listening to the totally football show part of the athletic fc podcast network we're also at the totally football show on insta and at the totally show on youtube the totally football show is an athletic media company production

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