Tony Aguilar Details the Shocking War Crimes He’s Witnessing in Gaza

28:37If you don't believe them, you can believe me. I'm an American. I was there. I have no agenda in this. I witnessed Palestinian parents, mothers and fathers, carrying their dead children in their arms, skeletons. I witnessed that. i've witnessed people that have come onto the sites that you can see that they are just completely emaciated and starving that's not fake so if if the deniers want to think that we got stanley kubrick to go into gaza and take a bunch of crisis actors and shoot a film on to you know to fake this starvation but it's real and people are dying at this point right now because we the united states the gaza humanitarian fund put up our hand and said we'll do it the starvation at this point has gotten worse than it was before because the gaza humanitarian foundation's process is leading to that starvation because it's not delivering enough aid not even nearly enough not even nearly to be to be a fraction of enough and i've got those numbers quick to talk about if you'd like, but it's shocking when you hear the numbers.

29:52I would, and I would be interested at some point to learn a lot more about the Gaza, about this foundation, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. I would too. I think the world would like to know more about the foundation. And the man who runs it, it was a prominent Christian Zionist. I don't think he has a background in aid distribution. He strikes me from reading about him as a political figure. So I'm a little bit confused by this, but it sounds like we all have reason to be alarmed by it. So if you could proceed with those numbers. We should be alarmed by it. Grateful. I'd feel safer. I'd be safer grading a driving test by Ray Charles than listening to Johnny Moore talk about humanitarian assistance.

30:33He has no background in it. Have you met Johnny? I'm sorry to laugh. Have you met Johnny Moore? I have not sat down and had coffee with the man. I saw him when he came to the main control center in Gaza to visit and then go out on a little photo op to site one. So they brought him in under heavily armed security. It's like kind of one of the things when the in-laws visit, you put out the good towels. So when Johnny Moore visits, you roll out the red carpet. So, of course, when he gets there, everything's great. Everything's spick and span. um but the other what's funny is that it wasn't spick and span because while he was there and another of the um supporters that they brought in a lieutenant colonel um british army i don't know him i've never met him but i've seen some of his interviews on site as he's standing there talking you can hear machine gun fire in the background i mean it it's akin to baghdad bob in 2003 proclaiming on CNN that there are no Americans in Baghdad as an M1 Abrams tank rolls right behind him.

31:41There are no Americans in Baghdad. And then Abrams tank from the third ID comes right behind him. And he looks back and he's like, okay, there are some Americans in Baghdad. Like, that's like what this is right now. It's like, no one's starving in Gaza. Well, that person looks like they're starving. Okay, there's some people starving in Gaza. it's like when is america going to wake up to the to the garbage this is real like people are dying so this like yeah the i'd love to know more about the gaza humanitarian foundation not a lot of people can figure anything out i'd love to and the thing is is that not revealing your sources not revealing who you are not revealing where your income comes from not revealing who your backers are not revealing what you do not providing any reports not providing reporter not allowing reporters to go in, not providing transparent looks at your operation.

32:34You know who else does things like that? North Korea, Russia, China. Are those the people that we want to say that we're like? No. America is founded on transparency. Our country was founded on calling out other people's bullcrap, calling out other people's, you know, like, hey, that don't look right. T-tax? Nah, not paying that. Not going to put up with that. America is founded on that. And yet we're just sitting by and letting this happen. And going back, you know, so I have not met. Let me just ask, do you know who is funding the Ghazi Humanitarian Foundation? Is it, it's an arm of the State Department?

33:16It's an independent NGO? What, do you know where the money comes from? I don't, who is funding it from its base and like who has funded it from the beginning and who put the, you know, the, the seed money into getting it off the ground. I have no idea, but I do know that many, many, many, many people in the United States government and within the, you know, media outlets have been working for quite a long time to try to figure that out. One indicator for me, you know, it's like when you're looking at a problem, I call it like Occam's razor. When you can't figure out what you're trying to find, but you can see the things that are there, it starts to tell you a picture of what the thing is that you can't see.

33:53It's like, Yes. The science of a black of a black hole. Right. Like you can't see it, but you can see everything that's happening around it to tell you to tell you what's happening. so i would say in this okay we have the gaza humanitarian fund living led by a uh a christian zionist who has no experience in humanitarian assistance and humanitarian aid the switzerland switzerland would not take ghf's accounts switzerland switzerland would even open account for jeffrey epstein yeah they won't open one for ghf that's that's telling like that's like whoa that that don't pass the sniff test furthermore the number one guy in charge of ghf gaza humanitarian foundation jake wood who was a former employee in the beginning of um the early uh paramilitary contractor blackwater days i don't know if he was necessarily attached directly to blackwater but i know he was in that contractor realm jake wood the very first day we began distribution on 26 may cutting of the ribbon the golden shovel the shotgun start for the marathon you know what jake wood did i'm out not going to be a part of it the guy in charge of the entire gaza humanitarian foundation on the day we started distribution for this mothership project quit and he quit and he stepped down citing reasons of unethical practices not being prepared to execute this mission properly and that's exactly what it is so and then a couple weeks later uh boston consulting group, they stepped down because they found out that there was things going on that weren't initially conveyed to them in the contract.

35:33So they left. So when everyone starts jumping ship, you kind of start to look around like, where's the hole? Like right now, I feel like the United States, that we're just rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. It's snapped, it's going down. And instead of like trying to figure out how to get to a lifeboat or trying to figure out how to call for help, we're just rearranging the deck chairs, listening to the band as the ship goes down because we believe what people like Johnny Moore say. And it's easily, I wouldn't say it's discreditable. I'm not out to discredit anyone. I'm just here to present facts, facts that GHF themselves have proclaimed.

36:12So yesterday, when Chapin Fay finished the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation press conference, of which they took no questions, when he finished, He said, we're going to get back to work delivering 96 million meals to date. We should not be celebrating that. That is not a mark to congratulate. And here's why. We've been delivering aid from when he announced that yesterday. We've been delivering aid for 65 days, 65 days. Now, you don't have to be Copernicus to figure this out. 96 million divided by 2.21 million divided by three meals a day divided by 65 days. We have provided food for 15 days out of 65 into the enclave.

37:07What happened to the other 50 days? So to say that people aren't starving and people aren't hungry, I beg to differ. What that breaks out to, imagine your home. I mean, I assume you prefer to eat a meal at least once a day, maybe two or three, you know, like the standard breakfast, lunch and dinner. Most Americans think that is a standard. You know, if you're only eating one meal a day. OK, what if I told you that I'm only eating I'm only eating one meal on Thursday and one meal on Monday? That's all I'm eating. Would you be like, oh, man, that's great. You're in a good place. No, you would say, like, that's stupid.

37:39Why are you you're starving yourself? You know, if my son went to school and the teacher started to notice that he was losing weight and he was emaciated and they came to my house and they said, Mr. Aguilar, is your son eating? Yeah, feed him every third day, bowl of cereal, every three days, I'll feed him. Great. They're gonna be like, you should not be a parent and we're taking your child away from you. Yes. So the Godwet Humanitarian Foundation should not be doing humanitarian aid and the United States government should say no and take away the child, which is Palestine, Gaza and take all that money and support the United Nations process.

38:16We've been a part of the United Nations for 80 years this year, 80 years, 1945, since the United States is one of the signatories to the creation of the United Nations. And we're giving him the finger. Why? Because of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that is killing people? That's the math. Those numbers that I just gave you, that's using their number. So if GHF is going to start politicizing math, then I think we were in a bad place. How were you treated and how were the other American contractors treated by the IDF and the Israeli government? That would be a mixed bag depending on what level you were at.

38:55I clearly remember on the, it was the 24th of May, a select few of us, a select few of the leaders were taken to the sites, to the secure distribution sites to kind of get eyes on and kind of get a feel for the, for what the sites looked like, kind of get an assessment. And I went to one of the towers. This is Site 1. Site 1 is really close to the Mediterranean, right in the corner of Egypt and Gaza and the Med. And I went up to the Western Tower, and I'm just kind of looking out, assessing the area. And sitting next to the tower, kind of at the base of it, outside of the berm, was a group of Israeli soldiers.

39:36And they looked up to me and they say, are you an American? I was like, yeah, yeah. They're like, oh, are you here for the aid? I was like, yeah. And they asked me, why are you feeding our enemy? Why is America coming here to feed our enemy? You're not helping. And I was like, oh, I don't have an answer for you. Can I get back to you later?

39:58That's how they see it. So the guys on the ground, the grunts on the ground, the fighters, the IDF guys on the ground, their perception is that that the humanitarian aid going into Gaza is feeding the enemy. What about the women and children? I mean, I understand they don't want you helping Hamas, the leadership of Hamas. That makes sense. But these are civilians you're feeding, right? Women and children? And elderly people? Women, children, the disabled, the elderly, the needy. yeah that's who we're feeding or that's what i should say that that's who we're not feeding that's what we're supposed to be feeding so how are those people the enemy in any war those are just the the bystanders those are the people who didn't choose the war who weren't fighting in the war who were just being hurt by the war and that that comment from this you know infantry idea of infantry soldier on the ground you know i don't that's a perception and i think we've also heard the perception from the from the highest levels of the israeli government that that all of gaza all is it's all hamas everybody's hamas and the reason that's striking to me because i feel like someone handed bb netanyahu a list of the violations of the jiva convention but but like took the took the numbers off of it and he's just checking them off like displacing the population well do that it's like okay well that that's a war crime firing at the civilians to to control the population okay well targeting civilians with lethal ammunition to control the population verbatim is a war crime so you got that one check what next what do you got next uh we're gonna build the humanitarian distribution sites in the middle of combat zones oh shit there's there's protocol three got it you just did that one what's next oh uh how about we uh we label the entire society as as got as hamas and kill them all wow bingo you just got a straight across because now you just made another war crime statement because the geneva convention specifically inhibits the classification of an entire population as the enemy based on the actions of a few is hamas all of all of gaza no no of course it's not are we treating them like they're all hamas yes we are another war crime so when i bring up these points about war crimes it's not this this uh politicized bombastic you know like oh you stepped on my foot that's a war crime like the war crimes are verbatim the things that they say not us they they say it we're displacing the population to move them to do combat operations.

42:43That's a war crime. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, well, you're a professional army officer of 25 years, West Point graduate. So, I mean, this is your business in a sense. So like there are rules. It is. Yes. And so I think you have credibility. You're not, you know, some hippie saying it's a war crime. It's like literally a war crime because there is an actual definition and it sounds like they've met. There is an actual definition. There's a definition of it. And when people call certain things war crimes that look horrific, I'm like, well, that's not. But I understand that that is horrific, but that's not.

43:17But there are things that, by definition, violate the protocols of the Geneva Convention, violate the laws of armed conflict. They're black and white. It's like reading a driver's ed manual, like stop at a red light. That's the law. It's not something you can do sometimes unless you want to get a ticket. So it's one of those things to where it's like there's a book that tells us these things that the answers to the test are in this book. Someone should read it. Well, they also violate the conscience of any any person watching. And that's that's enough. Yes. So, OK, so I've asked you I've asked around the story.

43:53I just wanted this. You've provided a very, very helpful context. And again, thank you for for your time in doing this. So now to the question How did the Israeli military, the IDF Treat Palestinian civilians? I could describe it as Nothing more than they treated them like animals Even the UG solutions And the SRS personnel on the ground What was concerning to me Because I witnessed this in years of Iraq When you get down the road and you start describing people in a certain way You start to dehumanize them even the US contractors on the ground called called them the the zombie horde we the IDF and in some cases we don't recognize these people as human beings and part of my my you know why I want to talk and come out in this is because I I I saw these human beings I I was there I I you know I you know this photo here this is on site one.

44:54That's a human being. I took this photo. This didn't come from some far left journalist or from the Gaza health ministry. I took that picture. You know, these, you know, this here.

45:09These are, these are the people that we're dehumanizing, that we're killing in mass scale, that we're depriving of food and water, that we are torturing in a way because they're not eating at all. And we're calling them all Hamas. That's what we're calling them. So I've seen it with my own eyes. Not everybody is Hamas. And to be fair, I distributed at every site through distribution windows, morning, afternoon, and evening. Most of the contractors there do one site because they're assigned to that site. Because the nature of my job, I went to all the sites. Not once, not once ever. And I'm pretty keen at looking out for things and staying alive.

45:56Not once ever did I witness a threat, a hostile act, a weapon, anyone from quote unquote Hamas. I mean, how do you do that? They don't show up with a t-shirt that says Hamas. So, you know, there's, is Hamas amongst the population? Well, of course they are. But it doesn't mean that the entire population is Hamas. So that's the type of discipline and understanding and maturity and wherewithal of an operation like this that's required to do something like this. And it's not there. It's the Wild West. We treat them like animals with no dignity. You say that you saw, and again, I just want to state for the fifth time.

46:41I've met few people with more experience in situations like this. Chaos, foreign country, shooting, soldiers, confusion. So, you know, I think you have a lot of experience interpreting what you saw. You said you saw no threat at all. You didn't see Palestinians with weapons. You didn't feel threatened. You know, it doesn't, you know, I'm sure there's a threat there, but you didn't experience it. But you said that there was shooting. Who was shooting at what and why? The way, so to walk everyone through kind of how a distribution site works in terms of like, how are people being shot at? How does this happen?

47:23So early in the morning, the Palestinians, because mind you, the Palestinians to get to the South, they cannot drive. They have to walk one way from where they live because they have to go through the established military corridors, just one way to get to where they have to get to. They have to walk, so they can't just walk straight down to the site. They have to go west to the coastal corridor, down the coastal corridor, into the Morag corridor, down to the sites. So they're walking anywhere from eight to 12 kilometers one way, one way to get to the site. So when they queue up in the morning at the intersection of the Morag corridor and the coastal road, and the queuing gets into the magnitude of thousands.

48:06The IDF hold them there with tanks in place. When the UG Solutions personnel call on the radio to the IDF to say the site is ready, the crowd is released in a massive, massive tidal wave of people. It's dehumanizing and rushing towards the site because they're starving. As they're coming to the site, the IDF shoot at them. Machine guns, mortars, tank rounds, artillery. I have all of this on video.

49:01within a matter of minutes two minutes 15 seconds hundreds of palestinians are already on the site like this is not like it's so compelling when you see it and i'm like because i i watched it and as i'm watching it and feel and being there and you hear early morning hours you know pre-dawn sunrise over the mediterranean thousands of of Palestinians rushing down to the site and over their heads you just see tracer bullets flying tracers tank rounds artillery rounds and they do that to keep the Palestinians on the right path my suggestion from the very beginning was like have we tried a sign put a sign out there like I don't know like put a put a sign in the road that says go this way instead of shooting a Markava tank round?

49:50Like, I think that would be like, that would be a great way to, to kind of, to kind of start. Nope. Cost too much. We're not going to do it. Oh, okay. Telling. That's a telling, telling proposition. So as they're coming to the site and they're getting shot at, it's dark. The Israeli forces in the South are reserve conscripts. They're not the IDF that, that are in the elite active army unit. They're conscript reservists. They don't train. They don't get a lot of training. Rarely do they get to shoot their weapons. And they don't have night vision capability. So they're shooting into the dark at thousands of people to say that when the sun rises and bodies are strewn along the road and the IDF say, oh, we didn't do that.

50:42Really? How did that happen then? Like, you did do that. Like, you did do that. Oh, Hamas did it. Hamas is nowhere here. There's, this entire area is a militarized controlled zone. There's no Hamas here. I was like, if Hamas got into here, y 'all really aren't doing your job. Like, there's no Hamas. No one with weapons. Dead people strewing along the streets. So when you see on the news at Nasser Hospital, when patients get brought in, and people then say, oh, that's just Hamas propaganda. No, it's not. It is not Hamas propaganda. It's real. The shooting, the indiscriminate shooting, when they get onto the site in this mass crowd, just imagine if you will, if it was Black Friday at Walmart and they cleared out the Walmart, they moved everything out.

51:30And in the middle of the Walmart, they just put a box of TVs and they were free. First in gets them. And at nine o 'clock, the door crashes open and everybody's squeezing into the small door into this area. And you've got two security guards there. On every site, there are 22 armed security guards pulling security. So that's one to 409 ratio, one guard to 409 people ratio. There's no way that the armed security can manage or control that safely. There's no way. It's impossible. So when they get onto the site, I called it the eight minutes of mayhem. Within eight minutes, 25 ,000 boxes of food are stripped through, taken down, and gone.

52:19Eight minutes. It's one of the most chaotic, deprived, dehumanizing things I've ever seen in my life. And I was in Bagus Fagani when ISIS surrendered. Talk about dehumanization. That is the worst I've seen in my life. At the end, when there's a few people left to pick up the remnants of AIDS, some beans, some rice. The UG Solutions personnel then start clearing the crowd with the procedures that they've adopted from the IDF, where we throw stun grenades, we spray pepper spray. I saw in a recent video last week of a UG Solutions person that I know, I know who that person is. Like, I know it's real.

52:59I know he's there. I know it's a real person. It's not fake. and he's standing on a berm and they have these new devices where it's about the size of a fire extinguisher uh with a with a fog hose on it to just spray tear gas they have those now and so now that's the that's the standard operating procedure and as they get to the gate and the gates are closed the idf salute the idf guards then then shoot at them at their feet over their heads in the air just like the idf do and you know again like yesterday when when ghf gave their press conference, they even said that. Like Mr. Aguilar has said that shots have been fired at civilians.

53:35We only shoot at their feet, over their head and in the air. Like that's exactly what I'm saying you do. You're, you're, you're correct. But when you're shooting bullets that come out of an automatic rifle at a crowd of thousands of people and you can't see them because there's berms and there's dust and there's, and there's inner visibility lines that you can't see and you're just shooting, you're going to kill somebody. Period. So our guys don't shoot at them. They shoot at their feet. They shoot over the head. They shoot into the air. Okay. Well, shooting at them, targeting innocent unarmed civilians on the battlefield for the purpose of controlling them or controlling the crowd.

54:13Again, there you go. Another war crime. So when when we're doing these things, it's, we're just egregiously violating international standards. The standards that we, that we as Americans expect. People were hung at Nuremberg for things like this. Literally things like this. Shooting at prisoners. Yes. Shooting at prisoners. As a case in point, in the United States Army, if I were fighting in, in Germany and a squad of German soldiers that was just shooting at me, puts down their guns and raises their hands. They just became a prisoner. I have to feed them. I have to give them water. I have to take care of them.

54:54I have to give them safe passage to captivity or to holding. You can't just shoot them. There are rules in combat. There are rules in conflict, and we must abide by those. Now, what I find to be incredibly, incredibly concerning for the American people and for my fellow teammates, my guys on the ground, American citizens is that GHS position is, well, we're not, this isn't a war and we're not, we don't have to abide by those rules. Well, you do. Those rules apply to everybody no matter what, but even more so that you should not have the authority to shoot anybody. We are there as tourists, as I said in the beginning of the show, tourists.

55:33We should not be pulling the trigger of that gun unless it is absolutely to protect an imminent threat to our life. In a case in point, from all of the days and all of the times and all of the sites, I didn't pull the trigger on my rifle one time. I didn't pull the pistol on my rifle one time, never even took it out of its holster. Stun grenades, tear gas, didn't use it once because I didn't need, I'm not, not because I'm some like, you know, soft, you know, anti-gun, you know, that I didn't need it. Never one time did I ever need to pull my rifle, shoot my gun or use means to stun or hurt a civilian ever, not once.

56:09And I was at more distributions at more sites, more time than any single person in the UG Solutions architecture. And not once did I ever need to do that, ever. And I think I know something about when it's time to shoot. Done a lot. So never felt that I had to do that, ever, once. It's immature. It's dangerous. It's a violation of our American values, that is not how America engages on the world stage. We are the ones that do right. We are the ones that choose the harder right over the easier wrong. We don't do it because the IDF say it's okay to do it and therefore we can do it. Well, we made that bed and we are in it.

56:55And that bed is about to get flipped over by the international community. And if we don't stand up and say something now, like today, tomorrow, if we don't stand up and do something about it, we're going down that road and it's not a good road to be on. I hope you can tell your story on Fox News and on every American media outlet as soon as possible. I hope they will have you. I'm not betting on it, but I hope they will. So let me ask you about the story that you have told that's a really difficult story, awful story, but about the boy who you were in contact with who was killed, shot to death.

57:34What happened?

57:38so you know this little boy is similar in age to my son brown eyes my son has brown eyes I see my son's face when I look at him and this little boy he's not he's not ISIS he's not a combatant this was on secure distribution site number two the 28th of may our second day of doing distribution i'm on that location i didn't get this second hand i didn't see it from afar and then and then assume i saw it i touched it i felt it other people saw it this young little boy

58:33his name is amir i know that because when he walked over from the the crowd of people um he walked toward me there was two there was two of us standing there two ug solutions guards standing in that area and he was walking towards us and we thought maybe he was hurt or maybe he was asking for some more food because all he had in his arms was a small bag of rice half a bag of flour some lentils that he had picked up from the ground he didn't have much and we thought maybe he was asking for more food or maybe he was hurt. And we notioned him over and he came up and he extends his right hand at us.

59:07And so I kind of walked up to him and waved him over. And the guy standing next to me, this young boy grabs, holds his hand and he kisses it. And then he comes to me and he holds my hand and he kisses it. In Arab culture, that is a very significant sign of respect. That's not something that should be taken lightly or something that should be that's a big sign of respect and we were we were taken aback by that the gentleman that was standing next to me was also a military veteran combat veteran so he's been to afghanistan iraq and he understand he was he was moved by it he was touched i was touched and as he was standing there we were both looking at him and he was very emaciated he had no shoes on his pants were tattered he had a kind of a rope or string holding his pants up filthy probably hasn't bathed in months, probably hasn't eaten in days.

59:56And oh, by the way, when they walk eight to 12 kilometers to get to these sites, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation mechanism provides no water, zero, not a single bottle because it's too expensive. Distributing water weighs so much that it breaks down the profit per cost per truck. That's a fact because I asked why and I was given a lesson in it. This is why it's too expensive. So we give them no water. All of their food, by the way, requires water to cook it. Rice, lentils, beans, flour, you gotta have water. So what we're giving them, I don't know how they're eating it, but he comes, he's standing there and I, and I put my arm on his, on his right, on his left shoulder.

1:00:36And I look at him and I can feel the bones in his shoulder. I can feel the, the, the weakness in his arm. I can feel the vulnerability. I can feel the desperation. And I look at him and I looked and I got down on my knees where I'm looking at him in the eyes and then I say to him I said people care America cares you're not going to be forgotten people in the world care and he doesn't speak English and I don't speak Arabic but the connection we had looking at each other he felt like he felt he felt for the first time in a long time that there was someone that cared. And I got down on a knee and he came in to his level and the items he had in his hand, he sets them down on the ground and he, his hands, he raises his hands and they're small, fragile.

1:01:32You can, you can see bones sticking, you know, just the bones to the skin. And he places his hands on my face and he kissed me. And he said, he looked at me in the eyes and he says, thank you. He said it in English. Thank you.

1:01:51People are starving in Gaza. People are dying in Gaza. These children that are starving and dying, these children, they look like everyday Americans. This child is picking up noodles off the ground with his bare hands because there was no food left. So he's picking up noodles to put into his backpack.

1:02:19amir goes back toward back to the main group and he goes out the exit we had a very strict protocol that they come in a certain way get the aid and then they go out a certain way from the way they came in it takes them back to the way they came in the exit takes them back that same way so they enter from the morag corridor they go south they go through the station they exit and they go north to the Morag Corridor. So coming in and going out, they're tied right back into the active combat zone. Site number two particularly is a little bit different than the other sites because it's in between site one and two.

1:02:53And there's an IDF combat outpost just off the corner of SDS-2. So there's a berm that lines that road going out. So if people are leaving the exit and someone is on the east side of the berm shooting into the crowd over here, you can't see what's on the other side of that berm because of the obscuration, the field of fire. So the IDF are shooting at the crowd that's leaving. As the crowd left and they would hit the Morag corridor to go west, the IDF would shoot at them, shoot at their feet, shoot over their head. We would shoot at them, shoot at their feet, shoot over their head, shoot into the air.

1:03:31and the bullets start hitting off the ground. There's video of this. It's on the BBC video. Hitting off the ground, see dirt flying up. And I was still on the site. I was below the berm. It was the second time we had done distribution. So when I heard the gunfire kickoff, the automatic machine gun fire, I thought we were under attack. I thought something had happened. So I ran up to the southern berm and I laid down to take cover. You know, I'm observing and I'm looking. And I see the shooting keep going on, like just the rap, and Palestinians dropping on the side of the road. So Amir didn't make it home.

1:04:10He walked 12 kilometers to get some food, picked up scraps off the ground. That's all that was left because the eight-minute mayhem took all of the food. And by the time he got there, walking with no shoes, hungry and tired, the only thing left for him was to pick up some remnants off the ground. and when he left, he was killed by the IDF. Why? Because they lack discipline, they lack standards and they lack basic human decency. Now, do I think that they intentionally shot him or shot the people they were shooting at? No, but when you use machine guns and tank rounds and mortar rounds to control a crowd, what do you think is going to happen?

1:04:57And the United States stands by and watches it. In the press conference that GHF gave last night, will the IDF shoot to control the crowd? We only shoot at the crowd in the air around them or at their feet, we don't shoot into them. Unacceptable behavior. That is not how professionals behave when dealing with a civilian population. You use things like signs. What I thought would be another great, great tool would have been a loudspeaker with a microphone with an interpreter. because no one there speaks Arabic and they don't speak English. So when you're dealing with a crowd of eight to 9 ,000 people and you're trying to communicate with them, and I was like, how about before we start shooting, how about we do two things?

1:05:42One, we provide a loudspeaker with a translator. Two, we put signage. We put signs out there that say, go this way, go that way, turn left. They don't know where they're going. They don't live here. It's a war zone. So the only way I could describe the sites is death traps. And they didn't become death traps. They were designed as death traps. And the United States puts aid and we lure them in. And when they leave, they get shot at coming and they get shot at going. So the reports you hear from Nasser Hospital, which is about five kilometers from site number two, Nasser Hospital, that you hear all the reports of dead civilians coming in to get treated.

1:06:21The doctors have said this is grotesque. Doctors have testified that every time GHF does a distribution at site one, two, or three, which the road from those goes directly to the Nasser Hospital, they get a massive influx of patients to what they call mass casualties, an MCI, mass casualty incident, every time. Have you ever heard of any other country do it? I've never heard of anything like this, but I haven't spent 25 years deployed in war zones. I just want - I've never seen it. You've never seen this anywhere. anywhere to this scale now in other countries that i've been in with partner forces are there sometimes uh you know an errant or undisciplined you know bad apple in the group that you discipline and you correct that behavior i've seen that at this scale to where it's widely accepted but then to also the fact that the um the ug solutions contractors also do it under the guise of well the idf do it so we're fine with doing it never never have i seen an american behave this way never have I seen an army.

1:07:23And I, you know, I've seen some pretty ragtag armies in my day. And never have I seen this level of depravity and just disrespect for human dignity. And it's, I mean, the word I keep using because it's the only way I can describe it is because America is giving tax dollars to it. It's un-American. Now, there has, you came out and told this story, I think two days ago. or a couple of days ago for the first time in public that I'm aware of. And there was immediate pushback, as there always is. And your integrity was called into question. You're a liar. You're a propagandist. And this boy is not dead.

1:08:04This boy is not dead, is what they said. Can you address that?

1:08:12I directly communicated to the lawyer in the GHF press conference that I demanded that he retract that and I gave him the facts. And this is why. The picture that they used, that GHF used and has circulated, the picture they have of a small boy with a contractor with his hands on his head, juxtaposed to the picture of me that I took with this boy standing next to me. What's ironic is that the picture they have of the man, of the contractor standing there with his hand on the boy's head, I took that picture too. it's like they're giving them my it's like they're giving me back my own material as proof to the material it's it's absurd so the the picture that i have this this picture with me myself and amir and and everybody on site that is distribution site number two on the 29th of may that picture has been geolocated metadata checked it's legit the picture that they provided to say well look here's a picture of this contractor two days later with a mirror.

1:09:22Disgusting. Disgusting. That picture that I took, the guy with his hand on the kid's head, is from site number four on the 1st of June. There is no way physically possible that the child could have gotten from site two. Sites one, two, and three are all the way in the south, south of the Morag corridor. Site number four is all the way in the central at the Nessarim corridor. Nobody can cross between those two areas. So unless he flew there or beamed him up and he transported there, that wouldn't be him. But number two, you put the pictures right next to each other, not kind of like here and here, but right next to each other.

1:10:03It's obvious they're not the same person. They don't have the same hair. They don't have the same teeth. Their ears are a different size. I ran it through an AI generator and it said that's not the same person because it's not the same person. So why would this humanitarian foundation, whose funding we know nothing about, you worked for them and you still know nothing about them. I'm sure they're taking U.S. tax dollars. Run by this sort of... Well, they are. That's a fact. They're taking U.S. tax dollars. Run by this Christian Zionist kind of preacher, maybe. It's not exactly clear who he is.

1:10:33I looked him up online. He's got all kinds of business ventures that don't... I'm not going to pass judgment, but he also says he's a preacher. Johnny Moore? um, this Christian leader, why would a Christian leader try to hide the fact that a child was murdered? So here's, here's my take on it is that, um, and the other thing is that there's, there's humanitarian organizations in, in Gaza that are currently from that photo looking for the next of kin. And that will come out soon when they confirm that, that he is dead. Um, That has also been put out to the Nasser Hospital to confirm that that boy was brought in if he was brought in.

1:11:20So the truth will come out. The truth always wins. I've known that in my entire life. The truth always wins. And I know it's the truth because from the picture they provided on site four and the picture they provided on site two, I took those pictures. I was standing there. Like, I took those pictures. So for the concept to say that, oh, look, here's Amir a couple days later at the same site. First of all, they said, here's Amir a couple days later at the same site. Well, that's not true because the picture that they have from a couple days later is from site number four. I was there. I took the picture.

1:11:53They're not the same child. Why the cover up or why the line? So when they say that I have an agenda, political, whatever it may be, there's absolutely no evidence of that. I've never run for office. I don't own a business. I don't write books. I don't have some kind of platform. I don't have a podcast. I don't even have social media. I mean, they shut down my MySpace account last month because they took it down from the web. So I don't even have MySpace anymore. So I have nothing like that. I have no skin in the game of this, but to tell the truth, what they have in the game is a lot of money to the tune of tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars.

1:12:28So do they care about a Palestinian life or that the people know about that life over making hundreds of millions of dollars? well, the American people can judge that. Who do you want to believe? A 25-year veteran who went to West Point where our motto is duty, honor, country, a cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those that do. And I lived that motto and graduated from West Point and lived that motto in my Army career. And I have nothing to gain from any of this whatsoever at all. That I was there and I took the pictures and I witnessed it with my own eyes and it brings me to tears.

1:13:03I'm a 43-year-old man, 25 years in the Army is a Green Beret. hey, you think I went to acting school for this? It breaks my heart. So who are you going to believe? The evangelical Zionist who has billions of dollars to gain by this, by everything being just fine? Or the 25-year veteran Green Beret who went to West Point who's earned a Purple Heart for this country, who's bled on the battlefield for this country, who's earned valor awards for combat, valor? Who are you going to believe? The guy that sits in Washington, D.C., that's been to Gaza once or his lawyer who's never been to Gaza at all?

1:13:43Or are you going to believe the guy that was there, that took the pictures, that touched the boy, that saw it with my own eyes? So who are you going to believe? That's what I offer. Yep. Well, I think most people watching will make up their minds on that pretty quickly. We are going to attempt to interview Johnny Moore. And I hope he agrees to that interview. So my last question is, And I just want to thank you a third time for taking the time for this conversation. I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for your time and your platform. This is an important story. And this is not my story. I'm simply the vessel to translate the story of the people in Palestine, human beings.

1:14:23Let's just call them human beings. Human beings that are being treated with inhumanity. So I thank you for your time. This is great. Right. What should the Trump administration, what should the United States government do in response? I hope that every decision maker, and I'm going to do everything I can to make sure this happens, sees your testimony, sees this video, listens to what you just said and you just experienced firsthand. But how should they respond to it? but also like the the analysis that i had sent to your your producers on the you know i created a product for them last night with the comparison of the boy they said was him and him and put them together with the you know the map data and everything so sharing that would also be helpful because i think it's shameful shameful to make a to make a political position out of something like that but it's also in a way kind of telling to where you know according to johnny moore every Palestinian looks like.

1:15:20Not a good look, Johnny. No. Not what our religion says, that God knows every hair on your head and that each soul is distinct and created by God. I mean, that's a foundational Christian understanding of humanity. It's a great point. That's a great point. For a self-described Christian preacher to say something like that is shocking to me. So your question on what should be done. Great question. Because that's the second part of my effort here is to take action. I don't just throw up problems. I want to provide solutions. And there's been thorough analysis done on this. I've done the analysis.

1:15:57And I've already given it to UG Solutions. I was like, here's the analysis I've done. Here you go. so the the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation should cease to exist and here's why the existence of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and its creation and existence creates a misnomer a lie that this mechanism is working and that the UN is not needed that's a lie regardless of what we call the method whether it's ghf whether it's the un whether it's greta thunberg handing out pbj sandwiches on the mediterranean beach whatever the method is it has to be able to feed 2.21 million people a day three meals a day every day and bring in water, fuel.

1:17:02Remember, the GHF aid brings no water, no pampers, no diapers, no fuel, no medicine, no hygiene products, just dried food, nothing else, nothing else. So the method, whatever it is, needs to be a method that can handle the capacity of 500 to 550 trucks a day every day that can manage 400 to 500 sites throughout the entirety of Gaza. I mean, imagine if in the state of Florida, they said, hey, you want food, you got to come down to Key West. Everybody. It's absurd. So the method that needs to be in place has to be able to service 400 to 500 sites in Gaza, needs to be able to service 500 to 550 trucks a day.

1:17:44That's the math. That's the math that's been done. And they need to do it every day. And they need to have experts in humanitarian assistance, doctors to understand medical assessments, veterinarians to look at the animals to make sure that we're not spreading rabies. All these things you don't think about that because I've done it so much when you go to places like that, you're like, oh yeah, if we don't assess the animal population, everybody could die of rabies. We don't want that. All these things that go into that. Well, the UN provides that. That was the UN model. the UN model was taking in 550 to 600 trucks a day going to 400 sites with doctors, veterans, nurses, teachers, water, fuel, enough food.

1:18:26That was the mechanism. So when it first came out that, oh, well, the UN method just gives it all to Hamas. Well, Israel themselves, the intelligence apparatus within Israel, the American USAID, the American State Department, other nations in the last day or two have all come out to say there is no evidence that the humanitarian aid was going into the hands of Hamas at any rate that's considerable to make an impact to the feeding. Now, was some of it going into the hands of Hamas? Well, sure, because Hamas is amongst the population. I mean, again, who's Hamas? I mean, I know who they are politically, but how do you tell?

1:19:05Like, hey, are you Hamas? Well, they don't have their Hamas t-shirt on that day. I guess you won't know. So the mechanism in place now with what's being delivered, well, there's a cut going to Hamas. So we're delivering this much aid right now. And there's a cut going to Hamas where under the UN mechanism, we can deliver this much aid with that much potentially going to Hamas. It's no comparison. It's no question. The United States should cease funding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation now today. Demand accountability on where that money went. Because I can tell you, seeing there and being there and the resources that we spent, I don't know where that 30 million went.

1:19:41It didn't go to Gaza. Somebody better check some bank accounts. Yes, immediately. But it wasn't the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that shot a mirror. So the question is, why would U.S. tax taxpayers? Fair point. You described the IDF as totally without decency, undisciplined people who committed war crimes on a daily basis. Why would the U.S. government be funding that? So here's one thing that I will say that I want to make clear on the record. I have worked with the IDF on numerous occasions in my military career, not just in this mission. I also, I stand with Israel in condemning the violence of Hamas.

1:20:30Yes When I got into Israel on May 19th The very next day on the 20th I had some time in the evening I got a rental car And I went from Beersheba That's where I was staying Before we started operations And I drove to Kibbutz Bieri Kibbutz Bieri is the kibbutz outside of Gate 96 That Hamas hit first When they came through Gate 96 That's the gate they broke That's the gate they came through And they slaughtered and murdered 300 Plus 300 people in the kibbutz Then they went to the Nova Film Festival I went to those sites. I went there on purpose because I wanted to feel the gravity of Israel's position.

1:21:09I wanted to understand with my own eyes, not what I heard on the news, what I saw, but to feel it. And did I feel anger? Yes. Did I feel disgust? Yes. Did I feel sorrow, sadness, and pain and vengeance? Yes. But there are rules. If we lose our humanity in saying that, well, we're just going to do what Hamas did because they did it so we could do it to them. We've lost. Hamas has already won. We've lost our way. So what I plead to the people of Israel and to the Israeli army, let's not lose our way. America and Israel, let's not lose our way. Let's stay the course of what's tried and true and what we've known throughout life.

1:21:47And that's dignity and respect for humans. We all demand that. So the relationship with the IDF, I don't characterize all of the IDF that way. The forces that are deployed in the South, the IDF reserve conscripts, need to be better trained and better equipped and have better leadership to be in the situation that they're in now. Imagine, if you will, if the United States went to war and all of the U.S. Army Rangers and all of the U.S. Army Green Berets and all of the U.S. Army 82nd Airborne was gone and deployed and we needed more people. So we call up the Boy Scout PAC 902 and say, get your guns, boys.

1:22:32We who called them up would be doing them a disservice. Israel has done the IDF a disservice. And they're in a position where they're in way over their heads. So the behavior that I saw is classic. I've seen this throughout my entire career. It's a matter of discipline. It's a matter of leadership. And the same thing I say that I've said before, my issues with the GHF down, it's not the men on the ground that are trying to do their best in the situation they're in. Now, have some made some bad decisions that have done things that are just completely off the field? Yes, they have. There's always a bad actor.

1:23:10But it's the leadership. The leadership has failed to provide guidance and resources in education and training. Same with the IDF in Gaza. Their leadership has failed them because they've put them into a situation that is untenable and that you cannot avoid. You can't avoid the civilian deaths because eight to 9 ,000 people rushing through your, imagine if you're an infantry platoon leader and you have your patrol base and you're protecting your platoon and you're defending yourself and eight to 9 ,000 people rush through your area. What are you supposed to do? There's not much you can do. And the leadership haven't provided them with any guidance on how to control that situation, just like they didn't provide any guidance to the UG Solutions personnel on how to control that situation.

1:23:56This is a leadership problem that touches all the way down to the tactical level. Now, the IDF should be held accountable for that, regardless of why it happened. When you shoot at civilians with tanks, mortars, rifles, machine guns, when you purposely displace the population when you purposely use razor wire. Again, razor wire banned by the Geneva Convention for the use of civilian purposes for hospitals, water points, and distribution sites. And that's what we're using, razor wire. And UG Solutions asked for that. When they did, I was like, whoa, step back, cowboy. That's not a good idea. That violates Geneva Convention.

1:24:35We can't use razor wire. Well, there's no difference. And I was like, there is. There's a difference between barbed wire, concertina wire and razor wire and razor wire specifically condemned to the gm convention to use its civilian sites don't use it idf gave it to us they said it was fine okay so let's just rack up another war crime so the idf should be held accountable these things should be investigated the the idf i think they you know they've already kind of alluded to this i don't know if it's happening or not um you know they they seriously need to go through their army and have a seriously restructuring of discipline and standards and leadership.

1:25:12I'm not prepared to say that the entire IDF is that way, but from what I saw from an entire division, the 403rd Division Israeli Reserve in the South, they need a serious sit-down talk amongst themselves to fix themselves because it's going off the rails. Colonel, I'm grateful. God bless you for doing this. You don't benefit from it. You will be attacked. I think anyone who watches what you just said can make up his own mind about your credibility and your integrity. But from my perspective, you are absolutely the best that we send. And so again, God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate the time and thank you for all you do.

1:26:02Thank you.