137: NO More SIGNINGS? Shock STADIUM Plan!

0:00Hello everybody, good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United news and transfer news. Lots to get into this morning. Some shocking news coming out about season ticket licences, which could cost fans up to£4 ,000 just to have a licence to go to Manchester United. We'll talk about that. Also, could Kabi Meynou be heading out of Manchester United to Tottenham? Are Manchester United going to make any more signings? We've also got updates on Ganacho. show we've also got updates on uh the striker situation uh we've also got the midfield and a ridiculous story actually I do want to sort of I'm not gonna talk about it at the start I don't think it's worthy of an opening story on a morning show but apparently Eketike rejected Manchester United and I just don't really I don't really I don't really get it I don't really get what the point is behind that story it came in from a Liverpool journalist again last night and And I still think we operate in a world where Arsenal fans, Liverpool fans, maybe even Man United fans like the one upmanship of people rejecting rivals.

1:06We're rubbish. We finished 15th. We lost to Spurs in a cup final. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody rejected us for West Ham at the moment. So, look, we're at the bottom of the mountain. We know it. I don't really think there's any points to be scored from going. We got rejected, but I'm not so sure we did. Let's get into it, though. Lots of things to get into. As I said, I think the first place I want to start this morning, as always, throw your comments in. But this is this came in last night from Chris Wheeler in the Daily Mail. And he said Manchester United are in danger of starting the season without a new striker.

1:39On the day that Marcus Rashford left Old Trafford on loan to Barcelona, it's emerged that the United hierarchy, except Ruben Amrim's side, could kick off the new campaign against Arsenal next month without a new signing to lead the attack. What are your thoughts on that? Man United basically accepting and realising that they will kick off against Arsenal in three weeks time without a striker. I mean, they should just subscribe to the United stand. They should just listen to you great people, because we've actually been talking about this since the middle of May. pre-season starts in the first week of July the transfer window opens in June and we knew from the middle of June that we were playing Arsenal from in three weeks time I'm sorry I find it incredible and I mentioned this last night when Fabrizio said that United could still make a midfield signing in the last few weeks of the window this preparation planning is just being exposed for what you and I, ordinary football fans of this football club, exposed weeks ago, that this was going to happen.

2:48And they're either really thick, which I don't think they are, or they're accepting of the situation. We will not have a striker in place for the start of the season. And it's not just about that. I find it really naive when people start thinking, well, there's still three weeks to go. It's the same people in the middle of June who were saying, watch the madness when July happens it's all because of FFP and PSR and yet here we still are on the 24th of July with no signing coming in for Manchester United and I think that is something that many of us predicted but the question has to be why why why because it's not about we could sign a striker the day before the Arsenal game no pre-season no preparation no idea of the system you're just throwing them in into the deep end would you if you ran a business that was really really important and you needed to bring somebody in before this big, big meeting, would you bring them in 10 minutes before the meeting and say, go for it?

3:45And this is exactly what I'm talking about. You can apply these principles of just logical, simple business to any business. And as I say, if I run a business and I know I've got a massive meeting in a month's time, and I know that the people I've got aren't really up to it, and I need somebody to pull this meeting together and present it. And everyone's going, this person, this person, this person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. But let's do it the day before. Let's do it the day before that meeting. And everyone will be like, but they're not going to know the plan. They're not going to be able to rehearse.

4:19You know, just throw them in. And this is what Man United are doing. But we're not even going to have them for the meeting by the sounds of it. So it doesn't surprise me. And it's not just the striker. It's the goalkeeping situation as well. But it's disappointing. It's disappointing because I'm very, really, really happy with Embermo and I'm really, really happy with Kunya. And I'm sure we will make, well, I don't like to use the word sure. I think we will make some signings. But it's, you know, the chickens are coming home to roost now. And I do use the word chicken in its fullest term because I think it has been a bit cowardly, this transfer window.

4:56We've been a little bit weak and we've been a bit exposed. and I know I'm being unfair to chickens but I think the chickens are coming home to roost because we haven't actually got what we needed to have for the start of the season and I've known and you've known for a very long time that in our first five games we play Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester City and those well in our first eight games we play Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal. They've already spent a billion pounds collectively in this transfer window and they finished in the top four so look it's nothing we don't know it's nothing we don't know if you've been watching this channel it's nothing you don't know we know this was going to happen but it's so disappointing the the striker situation the goalkeeper situation aren't going to be resolved and I think look some of you may be new to the United States and some of you may be new to being involved in Man United in depth like we are but trust us we've been in this situation year after year after year and it happens year after year and every March, April and May we go is this the window where we're actually going to do what other clubs do?

6:06Is this the window where we're going to get business done early and be prepared for the start of the season? And it annoys me. This is the time where it really annoys me the most. When I see teams like Arsenal, Manchester City, not necessarily Chelsea and Man City to be fair because they have played in the club world cup but definitely liverpool and arsenal they're out on their tours they've got most of the players they want and they've got three weeks to you know get ready and i look at man united and i go and burmo's not really even had a training session yet um kunya we've had from the start we've still got loads of players that are not that need to go and we've not really brought in key players and this is it's the con it's the contradiction that concerns me because and I am going to talk about this other stuff as well, but it's the contradiction that annoys me because as a fan, we're almost like mini managers.

6:58You know, we go down the pub, we go to school, we go to work, we speak to mates and we defend our stance, we defend our position. And many of us have said, you can't criticise Amarim too much. He needs a pre-season and he needs his own players. And that's a logical stance to defend this manager. And then the pre-season hits, he doesn't get the players in and you sort of go as much as I want him to do well and as much as I want to defend him how can I defend him next season against he didn't get his players in in time it won't work it didn't work with Ten Hag he didn't work with Jose he didn't work with Van Haaland didn't work with Oli it won't work I know it won't work I know if we have a bad season and we hit November and we're all sat there going well he didn't get the players he wanted and he didn't get a pre-season that's too technical for the Amrim out brigade they won't they won't have it especially not the media and the ex-players.

7:49So it is frustrating. It is an excuse, but it's one that I don't understand why the club have done it. I really, really don't. But look, on the striker, yeah, absolutely. I said it in mid-June that we wouldn't have a striker for the tour. And at the start of July, I said, I don't think we'll have a striker for the first game of the season. And I've been right on both of those things. And I think a lot of you would have agreed with me. We're not going to put ourselves in a position where we have a striker for the Arsenal game unless something incredible happened around a loan deal where maybe we did loan Ganaccio to Villa and they loaned us Watkins back because those things can happen very, very quickly.

8:29But an actual signing, whoever we move to, like I saw in the Manchester Evening News, they were talking about Mateta. I mean, that's not illogical, is it? He's a player that we've looked at for a long time. We've mentioned for a long time on the United Stand. people are mentioning Vlahovic in the chat we know Watkins is the priority we've also heard about Jackson there are others Mawani but every single one of those deals we're not in concrete talks for yet so even if you get today Man United are in concrete talks but with Mawani you've got to add four or five weeks on there before that so here we go so yeah it's it's not looking great is it and and look the bigger concern is maybe we do scam something out of Arsenal opening day, but maybe we get beat.

9:13And then maybe we go to Fulham and we get beat. And that, you know, if we get beat by Arsenal opening day, which isn't impossible, some would say it's inevitable. And then you roll up to town and you play bloody Fulham away the next weekend and you lose that. You're suddenly like, oh my God, this ain't good. And I think, look, I think in this situation, I think you've got to look at the reality. What if we did get beat by Arsenal badly what if we then go to fulham who've basically kept the same team all right they haven't done loads in the window but they basically kept the same team so you can expect more of the same and then fulham beat us and you're staring down the barrel of two losses and suddenly you know you're panicking in that last week of the window it it could be concerning it certainly could um but i guess we'll have to see let me just grab a couple of your uh comments before i talk about this uh other news around uh maynew there's a little bit around ganacho actually i want to talk about but um um here we go no not here i don't know why i say here we go every time i read the chats patrick lynch says i get the feeling that the hierarchy see as having no european football and believe amrin will be able to sort things with the extra training time it's a huge risk and one we shouldn't be taking it's a cheap option isn't it patrick essentially uh colin bolgers gifted a membership thank you colin liam says hi mark yesterday i broke my collarbone and i love watching the streams strive for options if we can get vladimir on a free then go for it uh liam i hope your recovery goes well i really really do but um i can't uh i can't get on the board with vilajavich i really think he's a i think he ticks every box we shouldn't go for um he's got no premier league experience he's massively overpaid um and i think he's under achieved in relation to the reputation he's got i think he's a very very big risk um emily derry says it's increasingly clear that the priority for the planning if any for this window is not football it's finance thank you Emily hope you're doing very well this morning uh they're literally setting up Amarim to fail says Irish whiskey and what where are the Ineos madness gang PR is dead at the moment says Dunny uh Gabrielle welcome to the members club well I think all I mean Man United this morning I don't know whether anybody saw it but Manchester United's confusing social media post this morning was retweeting a famous tweet from about 13 years ago where Wayne Rooney He said, do you want picking up this morning, Rio?

11:34That's the big post from Man United's Twitter account this morning. And you sort of like, people are going, are we signing Rooney up front? I would imagine they're both playing in a Legends game. You know, I imagine that's the peak of Man United's announcements for today. A Legends game, which is pretty much Man United, isn't it? Living off the name Manchester United. It's pretty much what the Glazers do. It's pretty much what Ineos do. we're just we're just playing up uh past um past name and look the u.s tour something happened at niagara falls last night where they lit it up in red and white and we're the biggest club in the united states at the moment because all the big teams are in asia aren't they so i'm sure it's just about promotion and pr for man united and i hope this tour isn't just a pr tour like last year i hope we actually start playing some good football and start to learn the system and keep bringing players into the club but I am concerned I'm very concerned in fact I'm so concerned I'm going to bring the I'm going to move this up the um up the ante because I think you lot are intelligent enough to understand that football isn't just about uh signings um we are a community absolutely incredible story coming out this morning from Mike Keegan read the stadium um so Manchester United Stadium isn't even being started to be built yet but Mike Keegan has put a story out this morning saying that Manchester United are considering operating an NFL American football model where football fans will buy licenses to have a season ticket at Manchester United.

13:03Now, I didn't know what this was all about, but if you're a season ticket holder, or you're thinking about being a season ticket holder, or like Emily Derry says, you don't think that this is a football club and you think it's a business, like Emily said, listen to this. so basically what happens is a license means that you can basically buy a license this would be at the new stadium so a hundred thousand capacity new stadium when you buy your season ticket in the new stadium you will be offered the opportunity to buy a license what that license will do is means that that's your seat sometimes for 20 years sometimes for the uh for the entirety of the time that stadium's there.

13:43So let's say when that stadium's built, you can buy a license on the seats that you have, say two seats. You buy a license, which means they are your two seats for life as long as you keep renewing your season ticket every year, which sort of makes me think, is that not the current situation anyway? Because you have a period where you can renew your season ticket anyway four thousand pounds it will cost to do that now if everybody does that a hundred thousand people at four thousand that's four hundred million man united can make just like that for coming up with something that didn't exist before um if fifty thousand people do it it's two hundred million just like that i mean just printing money you're using fans again to print money so not only is your season ticket going up not only so they i mean i was in the i was down the uh superstore on uh monday because uh seb wanted a water bottle for um training um you can buy a man united shirt for 80 quid be away top and then you can buy an authentic one for 120 quid and i was like you can tell the difference like the 121 quid 120 quid one is like better the 80 quid one is like it's just like a printed one um so yeah it's it's money money money money money but it's always you know the glazers have never put a pound into this football club you i and everybody watching this stream has put more money into man united than the glazers and it's incredible isn't it they don't put anything in so this is just another cash grab four thousand pounds if they do it just to have a license you still have to pay season ticket price every year by the way so you pay you four thousand that sort of gives you a right to buy your season ticket every year you still got to pay your grand or two or whatever for your season ticket every year as well um it's um it's like a timeshare really it's incredible but in in we've probably got plenty of usa fans saying this um this happens a lot in the us because they i was i wrote a few down so it does happen 35 000 for dallas cowboys uh la rams were doing them from 160 000 so it's common in american football where you have a license and then you buy your season ticket you're just printing cash you're basically printing cash the mcc does it in australia as well says cameron i mean look i've got to be honest there's part of me that goes this is the way of the world i'm absolutely convinced that champions league games are going to be played in new york in the next five years 100 i'm convinced about it um and if they're doing this in the nfl we've got american owners we're going to start doing it and if we do it chelsea will do it arsenal will do it so it's definitely coming in but my issue is it's just like two issues really one it's always football fans that end up paying for everybody else and two manchester united shouldn't do this like they shouldn't be looking at ways to raise hundreds of millions of pounds of football fans when the owners have us in nearly a billion pounds worth of debt to me that's it's probably going to happen it's probably going to happen in football and there's not a lot we can do about it.

17:07But on a purely Manchester United level, it makes me sick because what people don't realise about the stadium is it's going to cost 2 billion. And whilst the government are going to pay for the regeneration around it, they're not going to pay the 2 billion for the stadium. So we need to pay 2 billion for that stadium. Now, most of it will probably be service debt again and loans, but they need some cash injection and who's going to do it? You. you're going to do it. It's going to be the fans who pay for it. It won't be the Glazers putting it forward. It won't be Sir Jim putting it forward. It's going to be the fans.

17:40And that's what disgusts me about it. It's the fans again paying for the debt. It's the fans again paying for the mistakes of who owns this football club. And of course, as well, the incredible thing is there'll be plenty of people lining up to pay this£4 ,000, but you won't be paying it for five years and in five years time when we go back to what we were talking about the striker situation in five years time when this stadium opens and you're paying four thousand pounds for your license and then three grand a year for your season ticket or whatever it's going to be you're going to be paying to watch Manchester United play in the Europa League and whatever that is because in five years time when this stadium gets built we won't be it we won't have been in the Champions League Chelsea Liverpool Man City Arsenal will have earned a half a billion from being in it five years later.

18:31And also, when we built the stadium, we're going to have to pay that off as well for five or 10 years. So I think United financially could be restricted for a decade at the worst possible time. This is so important. Like I've been talking about this on That's Football and a little bit on here. The way football is going, the Champions League is the Super League. The money you can earn is incredible. They spoke about it in the Telegraph today. So the media are starting to pick up on it. A billion pounds has been spent by Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal. A billion pounds in this summer transfer window.

19:04And they finish top four. Normally, a club that finishes sixth or seventh tries to outspend the top four to get in. The top four are outspending the people below the top four to make sure they're in the top four next year, the year after that, the year after that. So United, at the worst possible time, are embarking on cost-cutting and a 10-year plan to cost-cut and try and find a way back. 10 years of the Champions League earns you a billion, probably more. It's only basing that on the first year of 100. It's the worst possible time for United to be putting a plan in play about austerity and longer-term vision.

19:43Because look at Chelsea against Man United. If Man United's five-year plan is to build a stadium and cook costs, and we're not in the Champions League in any of those years, but Chelsea's plan is to win things, every year they're going to be at half a billion of revenue in prize money that we're not going to get. You can't compete. You just can't compete with that. You really, really can't. Let me just grab some of your comments. Right. People are saying, what's this main news story? Right. I'm going to talk about that next. Don't worry about it. uh new stadium shows the club is back on track though says dylan um dylan i want it can i can i just say this can we hear more from dylan i really want to hear more from dylan the new stadium shows the club is back on track though you can't just drop that in dylan without explaining your strange take what what are you talking about what don't you understand about it's going to take five years to build it we're going to end up funding it when it's built we're going to have it off and look at how far we've fallen behind in nine months at the start of last season well 12 months at the start of last season we were talking about top four and you know taking the next step with ten hog 12 months later the top four have obliterated us they're stronger than us they're richer than us they've got much better squad than us um and you're talking about a new stadium in five years making us be back on track in five years time i don't know where we'll be mate but i don't think we'll be back on track the way football's going we've got to we've got to be in the champions league now and i don't know how we do it i really think hoyland can be great this season very similar to jokeres and has a good attitude aram needs to mold him into the striker he wants he's young and look at where jokeres was at his age says k i don't disagree with you k but Why are we trying to buy a striker?

21:37Morning, Mark. After a year of trying, woke up to the news. Our first ever child is pending. Hope you're doing good, brother, says Dan. Just on that, Dan, you say after a year of trying, I presume you knew what to do. You weren't like putting it in the wrong place or anything like that. I'm joking with you, Dave. It's great news. It's great news. Well done to you and your partner. Thank you, Dan. It's more expensive membership subscriptions, says Kristen. uh john uh united says it's already clear look at the leads friendly amram out talking started again we needed more players in and out feels like they're more worried about their pockets looking for the next scam um slazy says there's something off with your mic like a metal rattle yeah it's called i'm not sat in here for a laugh there's building work going on in the house so that's like a very high-powered drill if you can just hear a slight rattle you're the audio is doing its business um you said before you would sorry i want to go back to that from um john united um about the next scam that that that license thing is not a scam um that's not a scam at all it's being used in american football it's obviously being used uh around the world in different sports but the fact it doesn't exist in the premier league or in football means that it's a credit to the Premier League clubs and football clubs that don't do it because it's a piss take really um if we're the first club that does it and then we point it they do it in American football I think it's a sad day isn't it but look the Glazers will do anything to rip you off that that's that should be on a t-shirt they can't argue with that they ain't going to sue me for that the Glazers can't sue me for saying you will do anything to rip Man United fans off They've been doing it for 20 years.

23:24I'd love to see that stand up in court. They'd lose and they'd lose big time. Look at the Super League. Look at everything's about ripping Man United fans off for their own pocket. They've never put a pound in. You said before you had seen something that made you sure we would get Jokeres. Can you reveal what it was now? Oh, my God. Jack, do you watch the United States? I mean, if I have to answer this question again, it's been asked about every show for about four weeks. so on that Sunday weeks ago I got a message from somebody very prominent in the football industry saying Jochrez to Man United this week is red hot that's what I saw that's why I was very confident on the Monday Fabrizio Romano tweeted big week or something like that for Manchester United watch the next few days with Jochrez he also said if we'd won the Champions League final it would have been 99 so look we were in for Jochrez we didn't get Jochrez at the end of the day uh andrea says we're seeing this from a player by player statistic but the training of the system is the crucial variable here either works or it doesn't rajaf says i personally think ganacho will excel at spurs way less pressure compared to united and he'll be doing uh going there with something to prove world cup year says rajaf can you talk about what oh my god i'll tell you what christopher christopher svenson sorenson just asked the same question about jokeres watch the united stand i'll tell you what i'll say christopher because you've just heard it anyway subscribe bottom right hand corner we're live every morning at 10 o 'clock and every evening at eight o 'clock and two o 'clock if you were watching the show regularly you would have known that that's been answered multiple times but it was answered three minutes ago um thank you very much for that okay let me talk to you about maynu so the situation with maynu is that um well look a story came out this morning um oh i just got to say as well what a live show from beth last night in chicago oh my god if you haven't seen it get on board with it two o 'clock in the morning uk time but obviously us time it's about eight it's an eight o 'clock show for you um i think they're doing it tonight i'm 100 sure i think they are doing it tonight so check out 2am streams we we're going to be doing a few from the states as long as we're not traveling or there's a game um beautiful background of the city of Chicago.

25:45But the brilliant thing about it was it's worth watching because when Beth starts, it's lights behind her. And then by the end of the stream, it gets dark, which I just think it's artistic, which is what we like. But I think Beth might have mentioned it on the 2am show. Some story from... I don't think the source is very good. It probably belongs in your kitchen cupboard, but it was about Spurs and Maynou and how the longer Maynou doesn't sign a new contract, the more likely he is he leaves. I think that, look, I'm not dismissing that source. I think at the end of the day, if Manchester United wanted to sell Maynou, there would be interest in Maynou.

26:28But the stance has always been that we want to sign him onto a new contract. So I don't see him necessarily leaving Manchester United. Look, Maynou's very happy at Manchester United. I think he's got a great relationship with Yoro. He ticks the box of what Manchester United need and need to do. Young players coming through the youth set-up who are exciting, talented, and can be part of a new future for United. It's something that's very, very important to us. so i don't see maynew leaving manchester united um it would be shocking if that happened um my stance back in january when this all started was that manchester united were going to um put it out there that maynew could be sold and then when we do sign him on a new contract it's like a new signing and in a way i don't want to back that stupidity but it almost does feel like a new signing because he doesn't hardly play does he so it's almost like signing maynew again isn't it if you write off last season.

27:33But I think the big issue with Mainu is that we need to see on this tour and this season, the real Mainu. Like if Bruno had gone, I'd have been a lot more excited about Mainu than I am at the moment because I think there's a lot of uncertainty. You know, I'm a massive fan of his and I wouldn't sell him. I'd be fuming if we sold him. And I think a lot of people would. But where's he going to fit into this team? There was a lot of people last season that were saying that, you know, I told you he's the number 10. And I always said he's not a number 10, he's 19. That's what he is. I've watched the game for so, so many years.

28:09And what a player is at 19 isn't necessarily what they are at 22. And I think Maynou, I think he's an eight. I think that's what he is. I think he's got incredible close ball control and the ability to move and quickly, you know, play one-twos and carry the ball. and he can finish, as we've seen, you know, against Leon and Wolves in the past. I think there's too much to his game going forward that you would want to play him as a six. I think it would be a waste of time. But is he a 10? No, not for me. I think he's a quintessential eight. The problem he's got is that Bruno Fernandes is going to be the eight and he never gets injured and he never gets taken off.

28:54So I think the biggest problem that Manu has is that he's playing in a position that isn't up for grabs. So therefore, it could be another season or two of playing out of position. Now, the danger is we don't want to turn him into a number six because you will blunt everything good about his attacking play. And he can't play as a number 10 because where are you going to play? Xerxi, Mount, Kunya, Ahmad, Mbumo. So I don't know. I don't know where Manu fits in. I mean, the scary thing is that his best chance might be as a six, but then we're looking to bias it. I don't know what the plan is we made it.

29:33Manu's best chance might be Amarim getting sacked. And I don't want Amarim to get sacked. I'm not saying that, but we can speak openly here. That's what we do. And Manu's best chance in a Manganayaja might be a system switch. And that means Amarim getting sacked. I don't know. I don't know where he fits in at the moment, But that doesn't mean he doesn't fit in. That doesn't mean that at all. But I don't think Manu's going to go. I think he'll sign the new contract. But if I was him, I'd be less worried about whether I'm going to get 120k a week or 175k a week. And I'd be more worried about the conversation with Amrim.

30:11And what am I to you? Man United were absolutely atrocious last season. It's the worst ever Manchester United Premier League side. And I couldn't get in it. What does that say about me? What does that say about you and me? So I'd be more interested in why am I signing this new contract? Who's driving this? Is it Wilcox because I'm a young player? Or is it you, Ruben, because you see me as part of your team? And if I'm part of your team, where am I playing? And that's it. You know, contract negotiations for players can run for days, weeks. This would run for seconds. I'd just go to Ruben Amrim and I'd say, we were rubbish last year and I put my hand up.

30:47I wasn't great either. but I couldn't get anywhere near the first team and we were rubbish you want me to sign a new contract where in that team am I playing and if Amram goes well you know it's up to you to prove where you want to play I'd go well hold on a minute why am I signing a new contract then this club want me and they'll pick me where are you putting me in this team and I'll be having that conversation and anybody who says we've got no right to ask that well you have you have got the right to ask it and I would ask it because I'm still massively confused about where Manu fits into this team really but I guess we will have to wait and see.

31:23Interestingly on Spurs though I think that if you're looking for a Man United player going to Spurs who's young I don't know whether you've seen the video on that football that we put out this morning about the latest United not United news transfer news I think that there is big talk from Romano that Son Son could be off to LA. He's contractually obliged to play on the Asia Tour, but after that, he could be heading to LA. Now, if Son leaves Spurs under Thomas Frank, it's a new world. Could Spurs make a move for Garnaccio? They have been linked to him as well as Villa and Chelsea. so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that that could happen and you know under a different manager who is a disciplinarian and gets the most out of his wide players maybe that is more of an option than we think so I'd certainly keep an eye on the fact that Spurs do have money as well they've got Champions League money so so maybe that could be a future thing for him make sure you share the video if you're watching by the way thanks everyone who's tuning in as usual uh i'm just going to catch up on some of your comments but yeah i don't see maynew going anywhere i'm surprised we haven't announced a new contract yet but oh if i'm being a complete and utter cynic it's not a bad um it's not a bad deal is it to leave in your back pocket into august when things are going bad uh you know imagine about three weeks time when it's the middle of august and we haven't got a striker and we haven't got a goalkeeper and we haven't got a midfielder and everyone's getting pissed off because we've lost to Arsenal.

33:06And then you drop a new contract with Manu. So maybe they're just keeping that in the back pocket because of that. Talking about latest Manchester United transfer news, we have got Ben Jacobs on the show at two o 'clock today. Normally every Thursday at two o 'clock, but Ben Jacobs is on the show at two o 'clock today. So if there's any comment questions or anything you want us to touch on, then let us know. Certainly I want to know about the striker situation, the goalkeeper situation, what's happening with the midfield how likely we are to do three or two of those deals are we actually close to having talks with anybody because i think we all understand that until we get concrete talks we can't stop this we can't even start the five to six week timeline that it takes us to do deals once we actually start negotiating properly um and also outgoings as well um also let me just talk to you about well look just talking about Spurs in the midfield um Palinja at Bayern Munich is apparently heading off to Spurs according to Pletigol who is obviously based in Germany and so is Palinja at Bayern Munich at the moment so that might be one to sort of keep an eye on with regards to that because um United had been linked to him but um it doesn't look like that's going to happen I mean I'm not I liked Palinja at um sporting and at Fulham but that was probably the time to do that deal if you were going to do it really because um I certainly don't think that it's uh a signing that United um are gonna do if I'm being honest um what I will say is Palinja midfield for Man United I don't know I don't know how that's going to work out but I think with the striker situation um we've got look check out the eight o 'clock show but another story coming out this morning about um Ganacho and how much Emery likes him and I think he really does I do just wonder and look Watkins is definitely the priority there's no two ways about it but I do just wonder if there is something in a loan move for Watkins and Ganacho.

35:16Can we financially stomach that? Because part of me, I mean, I'm not Man United's CEO and I'm not Man United's director of football, but I'm actually thinking, you know what? Could we loan Ganacho to Villa and put some, you know, obligations in there that if he hits those targets, they've got to pay us 45 million instead of 35 million? um or do we absolutely just need to take whatever we can and put it on the books it you know it's interesting isn't it it certainly is uh interesting as to how that might actually uh pan out because i just think um i just think we've got to get creative really uh what about the eketike story mark right let me talk to you about this so i just need to go and read this out why is that not working there um here we go

36:15Tottenham, Spang United okay so Paul Joyce is a journalist for the Times I think he's actually Liverpool specific he's got over half a million followers and basically what he said last night was that Hugo Eketike rejected an approach from Manchester United which came when Favell contacted the Eintracht Frankfurt sporting director but had now sealed and moved to Anfield um I I think that this is something that obviously Liverpool fans are going to enjoy there was that famous interview I think it was with Joe Cole when he signed for Liverpool and uh they had to say that he said that Man United had approached him and then in his autobiography years later he said Man United hadn't I was told to say it by Liverpool I don't think Liverpool operate like that anymore if they ever did.

37:04But this is just such a non-story. I mean, plan A for us was De Lapp. He's wearing a Chelsea shirt. Plan B was Jochores. He's wearing an Arsenal shirt. Plan C probably was Eke Tike. He's wearing a Liverpool shirt. So what are we supposed to do? Just sit there and go, oh, banter is Chelsea, banter is Arsenal, banter is Liverpool. I don't mind. I actually see this as a positive. if there is any truth in that story I would say well fair play for trying and it also shows we had a bit of money it shows we've got some money because to ring up last week and it already be too late means that we rang up last week so if we did make a phone call for Eketeke last week and he said I've already sealed the move to Liverpool then that means two things one it was last week and two we must have had some money to put on the table now three he's chosen Liverpool all over us well i'm not surprised i'm really genuinely not surprised i don't care but i'm more happy that we actually did try because at least it shows a little bit of ambition and okay you lose but as i said to you before if you walk up to somebody that you fancy at the bar and you offer them a drink and they say no i'd rather not at least you know rather than sitting back and going and it's not worth it, you never know.

38:23So I'm OK with that. I'm content with that. I presume the same thing happened with Jochrez, where we've asked to be kept informed, and if he wants us, then we're there, but obviously he prefers Arsenal. I get it. It's disappointing that they're choosing rivals. Liverpool, Arsenal are our rivals, and we should be proud of that fact that they're our rivals. But for how long will they be our rivals? I mean, rivalries disappear. Look at Leeds. Leeds see Man United as rivals because there was a rivalry at one point in time. I don't see Leeds as a rival and anybody under my age doesn't see Leeds as a rival, but Leeds see us as a rival because that rivalry was there.

39:02It's just died because Leeds became irrelevant in relation to where we were. I can't imagine Man United and Liverpool's rivalry would ever die. I mean, Liverpool didn't win the Premier League for 30 years, but we do need to be careful in a certain extent because it's obviously very, very precarious, the situation we're in. But I don't mind that we went for Jokeres and he went for Arsenal. I don't mind that we went for De Lape and he went to Chelsea. I don't mind that we went for Euclidic and he went to Liverpool. You could argue at least we're still trying to bring in players of that quality. the reality the harsh truth as it says on the thumbnail is what we should be learning from this is that we can't get those players and if i was to jim radcliffe i'd be saying to favell you know you rang up leipzig why didn't it happen wilcox you thought you had to lap why didn't it happen amarin jokeres played for you why didn't it happen we need to learn basically from those so i don't care i hope we did ring up about akati k i hope we did ring up about jokeres i hope we did you know push for De Lapp because we can then learn why and I'll tell you what I'll give you the I'll give you the why now I know exactly why now the reason those players didn't join us is because we're not in the Champions League and we're not a prospect to win it or the Premier League we're not an attractive proposition compared to Liverpool Arsenal and Chelsea it's a very basic lesson it's a very harsh truth and we need to figure out how we become that and how we become that is by moving up that league table and becoming not just a name but also an you know an exciting team and if you're a kid today around the world or in the UK and you're choosing your football team then you probably aren't going to choose Manchester United um there's plenty of us out there doing good work you know um as I said Seb was at the Megastore on Monday he loves United can't stand Liverpool can't stand Man City but I was talking to him today he was in he was in my office and he saw a I've got a a print of the class of 92 signed and he was like who are these players then and I was like well that's Beckham that's goals you know that's uh that's Giggs that's um uh Neville and um he was like how long ago was that then and I said 1992 was when well the class of 92 but they were better after that and was like oh my god that's a long time ago and I said no we used to win things and he went really i went mate for 20 years we we were basically the best 20 years i went yeah he was like so man united used to actually win the league i went yes oh i love to see that and i actually got sad because i thought i don't know i don't know when you will i really don't and um that's very very sad of course but it is the reality it is the reality of what the Glazers are building.

41:58He thought I was lying though, definitely. Let's see if Amirim is capable of bringing in Kone, he says class of 99. So I don't, I love the idea of Obi and Kone and all these young players we've got, but I hate the idea of people in the chat or around Man United fandom going, we need to bring Kone in. It's the most naive statement I've ever heard. Tell me a player of that age that comes in and takes Man United into the top four on his own. That's why I like the signings of Cunha and Mboumo. We've got to build an experienced platform to nurture players like Kona. You throw Kona in last season, he'll absolutely sink.

42:36So I like the idea of these younger players, but we absolutely need to fast track an environment to develop them because as good as Bruno is and as good a captain he is, tell me why our attacking midfielder has stood there for three years and watched Ganacho, Rashford, Anthony and everybody else shoot from 30 yards instead of passing. And he's the captain. So I loved what Konya did at the weekend with Obi. I need Mbemo to do that. I need more people to do that. And then the environment will get better for Obi and Kone when they come in and realise their work experience, their learner drivers. They just need the right players to learn from.

43:12Amrim's not doing too well with our youth products as Robert. Mate, he's been here six months. He was thrown in at the deep end. It was hardly the environment to throw young players in. I think this season will be different. TJ says, as a professional footballer, you must be able to play well at multiple positions. Therefore, Manu has to improve. And I think that's probably what's going to happen within this season. I'm just saying, I think he's an eight. I don't think he's a six and I don't think he's a 10. Amrim can't be a one-trick pony with just one system, so Simply Red. And yet loads of managers in history have one system.

43:48I also think it's a question of footballing IQ, isn't it? If you think Amarim's got one system and one way of playing, you didn't watch Man United last season. When we knocked Aston out of the FA Cup, we played very differently to what we did against Lyon in the Europa League. Like, it is a 3-4-3, but how many times have I said to you it's more like a back five because the wide players are playing as fullbacks? It is adaptable. He said it's adaptable. We've seen it at Sporting and we've seen it at United. what you don't like are the results that's what needs to change his system is adaptable his system is not working but the results are bad as soon as the system mate if he wins his first 10 games of the season no one will be talking about the system or saying it's not adaptable new stadium attracts better players says dylan okay i'm done with you dylan sorry i think you i think you're what we class as rage bait um do you think amrin will be more flexible with his system this season i know his stern on can I just go back to Dylan actually because people are going he didn't answer the question why is it a positive to get a new stadium in five years and why should we be dancing around about new players the first players to play in that stadium are five years away the top four have just earned 100 million pounds more than us by being in the Champions League by the time that stadium opens we'll have had five full seasons if we don't have one Champions League in that Everyone else who's had it will have half a billion.

45:16But the time the players will be buying in five years for that stadium will be long finished in relation to being a relevant football club. The gap will be too big. What do you think Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal and Man City are going to do with five years head start and half a billion of revenue minimum and another Club World Cup, which many of them will be in? Do you think Amrind will be more flexible with his system this season? And I know he's stern on playing three at the back, but I can see the hammering out Christmas of Daniel. I don't like talking about the system, Daniel. I think it brings the mood down.

45:48It's like talking about Jadon Sancho. I felt we sold Jadon Sancho last summer and I don't even like talking about him now. And the system, I just find, it's just like talking to the most boring person in the world. He's not going to change his system. Now, I'm not any more educated or intelligent than any of you. You can grab this information very, very simply. He's not going to change his system. so leave the system chat to the ex-players on the mainstream he's not going to change his system it's just not going to do it and it's a wasted conversation um rajaf says united tweeted wayne and rio driving the grenadier oh my god please don't

46:34don't tell me that's true

46:46Wayne Rooney picks up his pal Rio Ferdinand for a special adventure across the USA ahead of the tour. Watch the legendary Reggie reunite for a road trip from Manchester, Michigan to Chicago in Ineos' Grenadier YouTube channel now. oh so basically what's happened is wayne rooney and rio fernand have done pr for inios in an inios vehicle uh copying a well even i've done it five years ago driving with goldbridge um but carpool karaoke neville's done it yeah this is it's hired formats to promote in yacht cars i mean And this is why they will charge 4 ,000 to fans, isn't it? Because most of our ex-players, we saw it with Ashley Young the other week, if the clubs say jump, they'll say how high, because they just desperately want to be on the gravy train of Manchester United.

47:55They're irrelevant without it. So I'm disappointed by that, to be honest. But I'm not surprised. You know, Gary Neville's involved, isn't he? he's doing the regeneration project.

48:09Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, to be honest, but I thought it was a legends game, but they're driving around in an Ineos Grenadier.

48:19Look, people will say it's not that deep. Absolutely agree with you. It's not that deep. But my problem with it is that day after day, we see the disintegration of this football club. Day after day, we see what the Glazers have done to this football club. And now what Sir Jim is facilitating the Glazers to do to this football club. Day after day, we see it. We're falling further and further behind our rivals. We're in millions, billions of, you know, hundreds of millions of pounds of debt. We're talking about charging fans£4 ,000 for nothing, basically, to make more money for the Glazers. and we've got legends of this football club who just sign up for a payday from those people and none of them actually ever say anything about what matters.

49:10But in the case of someone like Rio who wants to be an influencer to Man United fans, the big thing he doesn't understand is that he doesn't speak to Man United fans. He doesn't speak to Manchester United fans the way you speak. He should be coming out and saying things like Like that£4 ,000 a joke. You know, the club's an absolute joke. The way the Glazers have run this football club is an absolute joke. Forget Sir Jim and his Grenadier. The Glazers own the football club. But then they won't do that because they want to be an ambassador. They want the free publicity of being in front of millions of people on a Man United YouTube channel.

49:49It's about their growth. It's about their individual growth. They're not there to talk to you about how badly this football club is being run. And look, to be fair, there are other people who will be on the US tour who are United aggregators, whatever you want to call them, who will do the same. And that's up to them. But they're not really speaking about what's going on at Manchester United. Are you happy as a Man United fan with what's happened to this football club over the last few years? If you are, fine. If you think there's something to celebrate, that's absolutely fine. but we've just spent the last 40 minutes talking about how Amarim hasn't been backed.

50:30We're not prepared for a new season. They're going to charge fans£4 ,000 for nothing, potentially. The stadium won't even be built for five years. Every year we're falling further and further behind. The top four have just spent a billion pounds between them in the last six weeks, and they're moving further and further away. I'm genuinely happy to have this chat with Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Gary Neville, Sir Jim Badcliffe, Omar Barada, any of them. happily have the conversation and be sat down i'd love them to sit me down and go you've got it completely wrong we're gonna we're gonna be back but i don't think they would have an answer to we're in hundreds of millions of pounds of debt we're falling further and further behind and the only thing we seem to be good at is promoting things to get fans to spend money that's all it is i can't see any plan on the pitch that's getting as closer to where we need to be and I'm urgent for that.

51:23Urgent for it. Danny Singh says, if you had a 10-year plan to rebuild United, how would you do it, Mark? I'd kick the glazes out. I'd put the club back up for sale and I'd sell it to the richest people out there who were going to clear the debt and spend money like Chelsea. 10-year plan done. And if that involves building a stadium and regenerating the area, fantastic. But first and foremost, Chelsea have been at Stamford Bridge for 20 years with a 40 ,000 capacity stadium. For 20 years, Chelsea could have had a 70 ,000 stadium somewhere in London. They've never looked at it more than what's important on the pitch.

52:02They've won multiple Premier League titles. They've won two Champions Leagues more recently than we have. And they're still playing in a 40 ,000 capacity stadium because they've prioritised being successful on the pitch. I want to be successful on the pitch. Anana, what's my name? This is Viking Crypto Warrior. Can you talk about what you've done? That one from Big Digger. United was the working class. What happens is Maykel. The financial landscape of football has changed, has Patrick Lynch, massively over the last decade. Who knows what else will change in the next decade? United's planning will probably be obsolete.

52:40We need to plan for now, says Patrick. I was one of many asking for a football structure at this club. Will there ever be a day this will work? Says Shazwat. We're a business. We're a business. we don't prioritize football um Emily Derry said it you've said it we're just a business Rory C says fun fact so far this window we have a higher net spend than City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea they are not blowing us out of the water says Rory C I don't know what fun fact you're talking about there so far this window we have a higher net spend than City, Arsenal and Chelsea they are not blowing us out of the water what what's net spend got to do with the price of carrots um we bought Mbemo and Cunha we bought two players and you're talking about net spend have you looked at the players that Chelsea have bought compared to us this volume of quality we've got two players mate we haven't even bought the two priority positions so if you're trying to sort of spin the fact that we're having a better window than Chelsea Arsenal or Liverpool you're having a bloody laugh you're having a laugh they started in a stronger position you could argue they didn't really need to make many signings and they bought better volume quality players than we have next spend is irrelevant i haven't heard anybody talk other you know not one out to next spend in years i hope hope you're good what would you do differently says jacob i think i've answered that uh thank you very much for that um okay oh it's frozen again now um do we united transfer review content with Romano might be great to Sujoy.

54:14Don't see the relevancy of that. Mark, I'm up at 5am to listen to you. Why would I get Fabrizio Romano on the show to review our transfer business?

54:24What, give it a mark out of 10?

54:29I'm up at 5am to listen to you because you're the best, but every time you say Bruno is good and a good captain, I lose my mind. Yeah, Jimmy, that's just opinionated. He is the captain. Don't lose your mind. It's a fact. That's what that thing on his arm is and i believe he is our best player he's our best paid player isn't he after casemiro um i put the debate about the midfield is very very valid um very very valid indeed uh how can bruno complain about players shooting when he wants to do the same as them all the time he ain't a patient player himself says jst no but my point is if i'm playing in the football team and i'm working my ass off and i've got people like ganacho and rashford and anthony cutting inside in shooting when we should be creating better opportunities whether i'm the center back or the center forward i'm gonna have a moan at them if i'm a senior player and say stop doing that it's really frustrating i've played i've played in games myself where you know you're in a you're in a difficult situation it's a tight game you're doing your job and then someone keeps shooting from everywhere trying to score worldies and you get bollocks for it you get an absolute rollicking for it but at united it seemed to be promoted uh no player fc sell menu if amrum doesn't want him this is ryan there we go okay so we're back at two o 'clock with ben jacobs of course uh we'll have a lot of questions for him then i'm on the eight o 'clock show obviously if anything big happens we will react to that anyway but uh thank you to all the legends who watched live today really enjoyed your interaction as ever and um if you didn't watch live get your comments in lots for you to get into there uh have a great day i'll speak to you later if you didn't check out the video with Beth go and check it out now the background is amazing the transition through the video from night from day to night you'll love it you'll thank me later go and check it out thanks for watching take care speak to you in a bit