143: Sesko SNUB? Amorim CHOOSES Watkins?

0:01Hi everybody, good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United transfer news. Now, are Manchester United or is Benjamin Seshko about to snub United as Amirim favours a move for Watkins? We've got new talks with Watkins. We've got new talks with Le Mens. We're talking that this morning. We've also got an update on another striker that will not be coming to Manchester United. We'll talk about that as two. Also, a very, very, very good interview last night. again. Dorgu the night before, Luke Shaw last night, Beth out in the States talking to Luke Shaw.

0:39He's come out with things like he thinks this squad can win the Premier League. We'll talk about that. But he also talks about what Amarim's done at Manchester United. And as Luke Shaw describes, removing the stragglers has improved the squad. A very blunt message there towards the likes of Rashford, Ganacho, etc. So we'll delve into that as well. Of course, it is match day technically as well uh we are playing bournemouth um at well i say it's match day when you actually figure it out 12 hours time it will still be 10 o 'clock at night and then it's another four and a half hours after that so technically it's tomorrow for a lot of you lot well it technically is tomorrow for us as well uh we'll talk on that as well um 10 o 'clock show thanks everyone for tuning in make sure you subscribe and smash a like that your comments in as always we're driven by you but look we're going to start off with the big news now um look I suppose the first few minutes of the show are basically going to be about the striker.

1:34We have got new talks with the goalkeeper, which I think is really, really positive. But we're going to talk about the striker situation now. Towards the end of the evening show yesterday, we had an update from Ben Jacobs, who's on the show tomorrow at two o 'clock, basically saying that there may be an openness to start negotiating at 50 million pounds for Ollie Watkins if Ollie Watkins starts pushing for the move. So Manchester United obviously have been quoted around£70 million or£69, if you like the number, for Shesko. So£20 million difference there if Man United want to do that deal. Now, this to me is starting to get a little bit interesting.

2:13Obviously, on Thursday, we spoke about how Watkins was the priority. We're coming up for a week ago towards that tomorrow. Amazing how quick that week's gone. But if Manchester United prioritised Oli Watkins last Thursday, what would make Ruben Amrim or Jason Wilcox or Omar Barada move towards Benjamin Seshko? Well, we know Christopher Pavel is very much pushing this from the United side, having worked with them at Leipzig. But are we this morning actually looking at Manchester United? I mean, this is a huge call. This is a huge call, isn't it? And I feel like in some ways it's exciting. You know, you want a leader to make the big calls.

2:57You look through history. I'm not going to start naming names because people say he made a bat. I nearly said Napoleon, but he did lose Waterloo. And it was a little bit of a shit. But the reality is big leaders make big calls. We already know that Bruno Fernandes staying at the football club and being in the midfield is a huge call. It divides opinion. It generates conversation. Could we be looking at another one here whereby Watkins remains the priority? That's the player that Man United go for. They allow Sheshko to go to Newcastle and Man United focus in on Watkins. Look, I would liken that to you're in a relationship with somebody you really like.

3:38You break up with them. You're out mingling, single, looking to mingle. You meet two really attractive people. It might be a man or a woman, whatever. That's up to you. It might be a man and a woman. You might like both. But the point is, you find two really good prospects. Of course, you're a great prospect. You find two really good prospects, and it gets to the point where you've got to commit to one or the other. So you commit to one. You think it's the right choice. And then a couple of months later, you see the other one in a bar looking great. And you go, could have gone with that. The point is, as long as you're sure on the choice you make, then looking at the other option doesn't mean that they're not going to be a good option.

4:25They could be both good options is what I'm saying. Shesko and Watkins could be both very good options. And as I said last night, I think if the choice is to go for Watkins, it's going to upset some. But it's a big call and you've got to respect that as long as they're doing what the manager wants, I think that's the main thing here. So what is the big news this morning? Well, this is the update on Cesco. We'll start with him because I think this is the player most of you want. So this is an overnight update from Fabrizio Romano. If Cesco decides he wants to go to Newcastle, they're ready to pay whatever it takes.

4:59They already know the conditions of the deal, so they don't even need to negotiate with Leipzig. They're ready to go and pay what Leipzig want. They're ready to go and pay what Cesco wants. They're also ready to pay whatever Cesco's camp wants. They know everything about the deal. they've been working on it for the last week and they're ready to go for sesko at any moment but it depends on the player it's up to the player to say if he wants newcastle and they'll be ready so effectively newcastle are bending over for for sesko not in that way i mean they're bending over backwards they'll do anything for him like they're going to pay leipzig what they want they're going to pay sesko what they want they're going to pay his agent what he wants as well so Newcastle are there cap in hand again so another signing going please please please is he going to say yes but Romano says don't forget Man United as they keep working on the Szczesko deal they're in contact with people close to the player and they're ready to speak with Leipzig they're still working on the deal at Manchester United whereas Newcastle are ready but United need to understand if they can be ready this is also on the player as well he can decide to go to Newcastle or maybe wait for Manchester United.

6:07Seshko is going to take his time. It's not imminent in terms of hours. It'll probably be some days until he decides what to do. So look, this is far from over. And look, that's probably one of the biggest updates I've done in a long time from Fabrizio Romano or anybody. That is quite a lot of detail. I could easily summarise it by this. Newcastle will do anything for Leipzig and Sesko to buy him. Man United are thinking it through and so is Sesko. So what have they got to think about? That's the big question. That's the big question. I said on Monday that the longer this goes on, the better it is for us.

6:50That's just so logical. That's like, you know, going back to the relationship thing again, you know, You're making your mind up between two. One of them is saying, I desperately, desperately want to be with you. And the other one's going, I want to be sure. I want to be sure this is the right move. Why would you not just go for the person who's desperate for you? Because actually, you clearly quite like the person who's unsure. And I would say the same thing with Cesco here. He can go to Newcastle now. He's obviously got some sort of reservation, whether that is, I like Newcastle, but I want to see what the offer is from Manchester United.

7:25um that's what it looks like to me so as i've always said the longer this goes on i'm not saying it's the more likely we get benjamin shesko but i think the longer it goes on the more he is probably open to us and remember this is somebody that's whether he wanted it or not and he probably did he's missed out on arsenal um if he wants manchester united is he gonna wait and uh that's going to come down to us. So I genuinely find the Cesco deal, I mean, I'll tell you about the Watkins deal. I know a lot more about that. And I think we all do. But with the Cesco deal, I do find it a little bit, like it could be as simple as what we were discussing on the 8 o 'clock show last night, that you've got Favell, who is head of development and bringing young players through, who could be there saying, it's a huge mistake not to get him.

8:19It's a massive mistake not to go for him. You should be going and getting him. He's going to be a brilliant player in three years' time. You're going to regret it. You should get him. And then you might have someone like Wilcox and Amrim going, but Watkins hits the ground running. Watkins guarantees us this. He gets us into the Champions League and then, you know, we're a different football club. But if Vavalli's going, but I think Cesco will get you in the Champions League, then the longer term plan with Cesco is better, isn't it? I mean, I do want to run a little bit of a poll this morning actually just to grasp where everybody at um where everybody is with this i should have done before so let's go sesco watkins get your votes in obviously you can get involved if you're watching not watching live as well with regards to watkins what's the latest on that so look if you're tuning in for the news the the latest with sesco this morning new news from fabrizio is that this could take days not hours i think that leans towards us because as you as As we've already said, this would take hours if it was Newcastle because they're ready to go.

9:21So Sesco's not made his mind up, which means we're still very much in the race. This is good for us. On to Watkins. And again, this is really good for us. We're getting rumours coming out from Ben Jacobs that£50 million could be the price that Villa do. We know that Watkins is a priority. We know from last week. We know that Manchester United do rate him. We also know that Watkins wants to join Manchester United. I mean, I know that's not official, but I said this last Friday, like I'm not speaking Friday Watkins. Nobody's not going to do it. But I think any Aston Villa fan knows it as well. I mean, maybe it's fortunate because I live, you know, the closest Premier League club to me is actually Aston Villa.

10:03So I know a lot of Villa fans. You speak to him about Watkins and there is this feeling that him and Emery have hit the end of the road. if there is this feeling that now he's broken the goal record it's time to move on it would take quite a turnaround in their relationship for it to be you know to go back to what it was i mean this is a this is a striker that missed out on both ties against phg for marcus rashford that does untold damage to a senior striker um he spoke publicly about that emery wasn't happy about that. So the Watkins-Emery relationship is strained. This is not like trying to sign Izak from Newcastle, where Newcastle and Eddie Howe don't want it to happen.

10:46This is a striker and a manager that don't have a great relationship anymore. So Villa can ask for£60 million, but there has to be some discount there because, honestly, I think Emery wants to replace Watkins. And I think Watkins wants to come to Manchester United. So if we're going to get some price leeway, I think United stay in the race. And look, 63 % of you want Sesco this morning. That's starting to come down a bit. That's nothing against Sesco. Yesterday, it was 74%. It might go up there again. But I think what's really important here is, and this is my stance, I ain't got a horse in the race.

11:26I'm not going to have a horse in the race. I can have a preference, but when you've got a horse in the race, you boo the other horse that's not yours. I'm not calling Seshko or Watkins a horse but what I'm saying is it's a two-horse race to be Man United striker as long as we deliver the best deal for Manchester United and the best deal for Amorim I'll deal with it as I said I don't agree with some of the players that we're keeping and I don't agree with some of the decisions we've made but I will back those players and I will be vocal about that backing and I will also back who we go for in the market um look you pay with your job.

12:03That's all I care about. I don't mind a Man United manager getting the sack. I really don't mind it if they make bad calls. But I think too many times over the last decade, we have sacked managers who didn't get backed and then fall on the sword of the owners. If Amorim finishes 15th next year, having bought Ollie Watkins and played Bruno in midfield all season, cheerio. It was nice knowing you good try but you made two big calls a lot of people thought were not good calls and you got them wrong I don't mind that so as long as we back Amrim I don't really care um what I don't want to see is if we end up with Ollie Watkins people going mad and going it's wrong because you're not the manager I'm not the manager you can register your disagreement but surely you're not going to lose it over Man United buying a striker who has scored over 15 goals in the Premier League in the last two years gets assists and probably suits us better in the next two years than Cesco does so I'm happy with either but what but what I think you have to do what I think you have to do is play this the same way well just play it like a proper football club if I'm the CEO if I'm the director of football I'm coming out of this with either Benjamin Cesco as a Man United player or Ollie Watkins for about 50 million quid.

13:27Maybe cheaper. That's what I'm doing. What I'm not doing is watching Cesco sign for Newcastle and then being held to ransom by Villa until August the 31st. We've got to play this game. And it looks like we can. Things can change very, very quickly, but it looks like we're in control here because if Cesco is thinking about what he wants to do, that means he's thinking about Man United. and in that time you need to be speaking to Villa and going look we're negotiating with Seshka he's not signed for Newcastle he's thinking about us now we've got a small window of opportunity here to do a deal with you so some couple of good comments coming in here so basically what I'm expecting from Manchester United over the next two or three days maybe week but let's say the next two or three days because you haven't got a lot of opportunity here.

14:16If I'm Man United, over the next couple of days, whatever, I'm saying this. Chesco, we really like you, and we're trying to figure out how to do a deal. Aston Villa, we really like Olly Watkins. We can't do a deal at 60 million. Now, by Friday, we might have a deal done with Chesco, and we'll move forward if you want to take this from us then you need to give us a price that's doable otherwise the door closes forever and we go with Cesco and that's what I would do and people saying well you can't do that it's what bloody Arsenal did with Jokeres and Cesco we should be doing it as well I think we've got to play this to our advantage and people would say well no you should just go for the player that you want not necessarily not necessarily I mean we didn't get plan A we didn't get plan B and we didn't get plan C.

15:07We're talking plan D here. So I can see the validity in both. And look, let's be clear here. Maybe Ruben Amorim wants Watkins. If I'm Omar Barada and Jason Wilcox, I'm still going for Shesko as part of the play. And I'm saying to Amorim, I'm doing this to try and get the price down with Villa. And if they don't bring the price down, we can't get Watkins anyway. So you'll be happy with Shesko. So just go along with this. We know you want Watkins, but we're not paying 60 million. We'll never get him unless we play the game. And even if we play the game, we might not get him and we'll get Seshko anyway.

15:45So I don't think it's set in stone who we're going to get. I just think we've got to play the game here. And the way to play the game is to keep them both in the play. It doesn't mean we're using Seshko. It doesn't mean we're using Watkins. We're just literally using the situation. look really really simple two cars you really like both for sale next door to each other i like your car i like your car what's your price what's your price you know somebody brings the price down somebody you know that's that's what we've got to do here um so look i'm i think last night after the eight o 'clock show i was sort of some of your comments really made me think that Watkins would be my preference.

16:29This morning, I'm 50-50 again. Yesterday, I was Seshko. Last night, I was Watkins. This morning, I'm 50-50. And you know what it is? I think what a lot of you said was spot on. I've always been a big fan of Watkins, and I do like Seshko. But I think the positives of Seshko for me are that he's young. He's only just 22. He's got a lot of talent. He could be one of the best strikers in the world over the next three years. And then he's at Man United, there's resale value or he's with you for a decade. That's very, very appealing. Watkins, on the other hand, ain't going to be with you for a decade.

17:02For the next two years, he probably scores you a shitload of goals, gets you back in the Champions League, and then you can buy the next Shesko in a year's time, or you've got Obi coming through. So I think the short-term benefit is Watkins. The long-term benefit is potentially Shesko. Now, what's more important i think we need to be in the champions league next year that's my feeling on it um let me grab some of your comments then we're going to talk about the goalkeeper we've got some very interesting comments from luke shore about winning the premier league as well um with watkins we're actually buying time for amaran says sudda well this is a great point as well you know if shesko is a project then watkins is for the now and it's the same decision arsenal made and i think arsenal made the right call.

17:48Seshko would have been a project that could have been a great player for the future. But Arteta would get the sack if Arsenal don't win the league next year. Jokeres comes in, you would expect to win the league because he's ready to go. And it's the same for Amirim. Amirim, you know, what's the point in a project striker for Amirim if he gets the sack in a year's time? Whereas Watkins comes in and buys him time. I think maybe that explains why, if it's true, Amirim would prefer Watkins. Also, you've got a player like Brian Mbumo, who has played with him before. He's Premier League proven. So the adaptability could be quicker.

18:23I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to see how we play it out. Maybe Watkins will fancy Saudi after United, says Glenn. Joining United gives Watkins the best chance to become a priority in the England squads, says Kevin. Have we ever had a more difficult choice, says Thornster. Well, look, it is a difficult choice. It's a really difficult choice. But imagine this. I embrace this and I think everybody else should as well because it is a difficult choice, but embrace it because would you rather be in a situation where the club are negotiating for Watkins or Sheshko or would you rather be neither of them are available and you're looking at Calvert-Lewin, Callum Wilson and Nicholas Jackson.

19:03So we are in a fortunate, well, I don't know whether it's fortunate, but we are in a good position in a certain extent because we have got two options that are quite decent after missing out on some really good options. um but it's a big call and as that's why i said at the start of the video it really is very similar to bruno fernandez isn't it because it's going to divide opinion um thank you very much to sudev what's our current roster of british players and could that be deciding factor and what we go for us is phil i think you'll have to speak to someone like robert mccormack on that um i think as long as you've got you can have 17 european players 17 non-British players in your squad.

19:44And then you can have like seven. I don't know what it is, but I think we're okay. Like Luke Shaw's still here. Harry Maguire's still here. Maynou's still here. Obviously, anybody under 21 isn't classed as homegrown until they're 21. So Yoro's still fine. Leon's fine. But yeah, you do have to monitor that. I mean, I don't know whether that would be a factor as well. Michael says, I'm all for Watkins over Sesco, but we should definitely be going in for both. If one deal falls through or a better option emerges, we're still in a strong position. Yeah, I don't think we'll get both, but I think I agree with you.

20:24You've got to negotiate for both. Klugscope says, rebuild a club on a 29-year-old player is backwards to me. Arsenal and Liverpool didn't do this. I mean, look, I think I've explained my stance on it. You have got Obi. You have got this 18-year-old we're looking to bring in. You potentially still got Rasmus at 22. We have got younger options who can play up front. And Watkins gives you two, three years stability and goals. In two or three years, Obi's 20. So there's your heir to the throne. Maybe bring somebody else in as well. We've always needed an experienced striker. We can't be a hypocrite to that.

21:01I've said it. Many of you have said it. We need an experienced striker we've needed an experienced striker for years so you can't on the one hand say well don't get an experienced striker because we do need an experienced striker where i would agree with you is united through inios have put it out there quite consistently but they don't want to buy players over 26 so to spend 50 million pounds on a 29 year old doesn't really fit with what they're all about and i would say that if we bought watkins for 50 million the quotes of amarin of of Ineos and Sir Jim will come out because they basically said, we don't want to do those types of deals anymore.

21:38But if the manager does, you should. You can't. Those types of absolutes are ridiculous in football. So imagine you had prime Ronaldo at 29 available for 50 million pounds. We know based on what Ronaldo did from 29 to 35, you're going to get six years of one of the world's best ever players. Oh, at the end of the day, I don't apply to Champas, at the end of the day yeah pint um we don't buy players over 26 so you can't be absolute like that there might be options that you you know you should open yourself up to especially if the manager wants to do it adrian c says i would prefer sesco due to his age i'd support watkins but club must stop buying players approaching 30 otherwise we haven't learned from the past adrian again i don't disagree with you but i think what i just said a few seconds ago sort of defeats that we shouldn't in any walk of life judge a book by its cover it's not correct there are always exceptions to the rule um you know if that's just you know that's like saying i'm from a and i'm not but you know i'm from a working i'll do it my way i'm from a working class background uh i've had to work for everything i've done like a lot of you um and because of that i would never be in a relationship or friends with somebody that's had a silver spoon in the mouth and comes from a rich background because we'll never get on because they don't understand that what it's like to have nothing and work your way up i've got loads of friends who've got money and and has come from those background and they're sound it's stereotypical to do stuff like that and you shouldn't do that so um i think that i didn't agree with sir jim radcliffe when he said it that we you know we're not going to buy or whoever said it we're not going to buy people over 26 stupid i understand why you know 99 of 95 of the time you might not do it but there has to be exceptions to the rule um dj says is everyone missing that sesco has a gentleman's agreement for a number of special clubs is united in the list but newcastle and arsenal not yes i think this is a good point as well dj we don't know the full um detail of this but apparently there is a list of special clubs where the price for uh seshko is 60 million but we don't know who those are any progress on a goalie in the midfielders as edward we will talk about the goalkeeper in a moment um there is an update on lamens and martin s to a certain extent sns says watkins is premier league experienced he's played with imbermo he's better for the system he gets settled quickly seshko great in three years amrin might not be there in three years this is what i mean is there a right answer here or is there just another should we sell Bruno or not I just think it's a in a way this summer has turned into something exciting that I never thought it would be I can't think of a summer at Manchester United in a very long time I don't know whether we've ever had one actually where you've got two and we might still have more the goalkeeper could present another one.

24:42But two, huge decisions where there isn't a definitive right or wrong answer. There's just opinion strong on either side. So should Bruno go for£100 million or should we sell him? Yes or no. We know what that did. Should we go for Shesko or should we go for Watkins? Yes or no. And this is where we are. I don't necessarily think there's a definitive wrong answer or right answer. That's exciting. That's why the manager gets paid the money. if I was in charge I would have let Bruno go and if I was in charge I'd I don't know I don't I don't like sitting on the fence I today would go with Watkins but by midday I might go for Shesko it's a that's what I mean I can't definitively make an answer and stick with it uh Edward V is gifted five memberships you're a legend mate thank you very much for that.

25:36Patrick Lynch says, I think one thing we forget is that when Ineos came in, they specifically said that the board, as well as the manager, would have a say on transfers. Amorim will have a final say, but not all the say. And Patrick, I love that. And I don't know what you think, Patrick, and I don't know what everybody else thinks. I absolutely agree with that. I love that. I love the fact that we don't have a definitive because David De Gea left and Andre Onana is now, in a bad way, an immovable object in goal because of Eric Ten Hag. Mason Mount for£55 million. I like the player. I never understood why we bought him.

26:16To this day, I don't know what role he is. I like Mason Mount, but I don't understand what we bought him for. I don't know why we bought him. Loads of people went mad. I was like, he's a good player. This is really interesting. I've got no idea where he fits into our team. So those sort of decisions, and there are others that Ten Hag made, I don't think they'd get made today. And I'm not going to knock any Osborne for doing that. I think it's correct. The question is, if you've got Wilcox and you've got Amarim that want Watkins and you've got Favell and Barada that want Sheshko, yeah, that's why it becomes problematic.

26:54But hopefully they'll come to the right decision. With age and other factors, Watkins is 40 million max as PZ. said um rajaf says watkins is a known quality in the premier league so signing him makes more sense and obi doesn't need to be thrown at the deep end like rasmus was watkins should be 30 million talks as trader age and recent injuries not saying seshko is better but it's somehow a safer option yeah but you know when you say recent injuries we've already done this he had a couple of minor injuries last season and none in the previous five so i don't think the injuries comes into it for Watkins I think the age comes into it I think the price comes into it but he's 29 not 35 and you can't really say he's a 30 million pound striker when he scored over 30 Premier League goals in his last two seasons for Aston Villa I mean I think there is a level of respect there for me it starts at about 45 it's somewhere between 40 and 50 that's the value um Jaden thanks for gifting a membership hi everyone says uh Lee Capetown just want to put it out there but at the end of the day we get Shesko, Newcastle will end up with Jackson, that small club mentality.

28:00And Acid23 says, I understand why people want Shesko, but I'm bored of short-term pain for potential long-term gain. I want results now, not maybe in three years. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. I mean, I'm willing to be patient. The thing is, remember, getting into the Champions league this year is not success that is a step long-term success is winning premier leagues and getting into the champions league so you know we are still talking we are still talking long term even if we get in the champions league that is a relatively small step for man united and yet it's huge i can't wait two or three years for us to be able to get in the champions league we need to be in the champions league in may that is a huge step for manchester united but if we do it it's not like we're going to go yeah we're bloody back up yours ollie and your winner in the new camp we've just qualified for the champions league in fifth it will be a small step but a big step and that's is where i would say that's the priority whatever whatever gives us that that's my priority um so yeah personally i'd go for seshko but i'm excited by either signing my big concern is that the club are complacent about how easy a watkins deal would be says james and sudev says i say we We only go for Watkins.

29:21Let Newcastle overpay. And Mike Calvert says, Morning, mate. I prefer Sheshko, but I'm happy with Watkins. Just the price could bring other benefits to the dressing room vibe and has Premier League pedigree. Jacob says the club has to get Amorim, the guy he wants, between Watkins and Sesko. The club already failed to get him Jokeres, Kenda, Hulman and your thoughts. I agree, Jacob. I agree. We've brought in two Premier League players who've got years in them now. We need a striker to score Premier League goals and that is Watkins. Sheshko is still a gamble, says William. more for an evening show but can never catch them did you make a united stand whoop community been mentioning a whoop lot lately and you being 40 i never even knew i could do that i could do that i could do that that's a good idea i will do that you have to think about the way the club has been run lately they sign young players for resale value i feel that's the way they will go for shesko um keel says i've had faith in rasmus 16 goals first season and watkins is miles better than shesko given united's dressing room is not well established like that of liverpool or city what where do you think we're going to go mark have to be really careful you know because you might not and i'm very bad at this you might not you might just think we're 10 people sat talking about football we're 16 and a half live viewers and we'll probably have over 200 000 views of this video not to mention clips so for me to sit here and say what do i think is going to happen i am loathe to do it in a sense because who knows who hears it um and what i mean by that is like i'm not saying we've got in any way got any shape or power to play in it but you know you don't want to empower the party i think is going to win um i think we end up with watkins um yeah i think we end up with watkins um unless united look it's 50 50 i know romano said this i I think we'll end up with Watkins, simply because when United prioritise a player, they either get them or they don't.

31:22No one else is in for Watkins like they were for Jokeres and De Lab. And Watkins was the priority on Thursday. So I don't understand why last Monday or Tuesday we heard that Sheshko was too expensive. Then on Thursday, Watkins, as we broke, was the priority. so we've moved away from shashko because of price and then we've gone for watkins now unless that price is coming down which it hasn't why would we go back in for shashko so i think i i just think it's going to be watkins that's my feeling on it but um i could be wrong um but i don't think we'll have either of them for the start of the season by the way um i think that's highly unlikely um considering the premier league kicks off two weeks on friday right anyway let me talk to you about the goalkeeper situation because actually you know we could spend hours talking about shesko or watkins and realistically we're not going to change that outcome at all it's going to be based upon um updates that we don't know when they're going to come what we do know around And the striker situation is that Ben Jacobs, and we've still got to talk about Luke Shaw.

32:37We've got time. Don't worry. We have got time. We've got time. Where was it? Where was it? Where are you? Okay. Ben Jacobs last night saying that talks are still ongoing for Le Mens of Royal Antwerp. I mean, I think this is as good as it gets now with the goalkeeping situation. And I've got to be absolutely clear on this. I'm sort of, I don't want to pop the positivity of signing a striker because I think that is very, very positive, but we have to get a goalkeeper in, don't we? We've got to get a goalkeeper in. And at this juncture, if you give me laments, I will judge the window in August, but I'm almost like, and I'm trying to think of an analogy here, you know, you know, you know, like, you know, you know, when you've been on holiday and the weather's not been that great and you look at the weather app and it's your last day and you're going to get the bus at five o 'clock and then your last day is going to be a scorcher.

33:46I'm sort of like, don't give a shit. Just get me on the plane and get me out of it. I'll go on the beach until two o 'clock I'll have a quick shower I'll go to the airport but you know what it is what it is now I'm not you know I'm not at the weather I wanted I enjoy my last day and then I'm going home and I think that with regards to the goalkeeper I'll take that sunny day at the end of this window every day of the week over another rainy day um because I can't I can't fathom why and that's why I don't believe, and I'll give you some opinion here. I don't believe for one minute that Reuben Amirim and Jason Wilcox and Omar Barada want to go into the season with Binder and Anana.

34:27Not one minute do I believe that. In fact, I know that's not the case. And I therefore don't believe they will because their jobs are on the line. CEOs can get sacked, director of football can get sacked, and managers certainly can get sacked. They know that's an issue in the team. They will not go, well, I don't believe they will go into the season with those two. And when I say season after the transfer window, obviously we might go into Arsenal with those two, we might go into Fulham with those two, but I'm absolutely convinced because they don't want it to happen and they know the mistake it is, I don't think they'll go into the season with Anana and be in Derrissat as two goalkeepers.

35:04So where I am at the moment is I want Lamenz. Just get Lamenz in. The only other goalkeeper we've spoken to is Emi Martinez. There's no way we're getting Emi Martinez and Oli Watkins. And offering a loan deal probably killed that dead. Lemans is well scouted. He is a trajectory goalkeeper in the sense that he has a lot of potential. And I think he should be able to force Anana out of the team. I mean, I want a number one. That's desperately what I want. I want a number one. but i think where we are we're just gonna have to go and accept that lamens is the best we're gonna get so let's go and do it um but i i i mean look apparently we're still in talks with him he's relatively cheap um i would imagine just to just just for the question that i haven't seen asked i would imagine when it comes to lamens and why we haven't done the deal yet my imagination on this is that we're probably following a very similar story to what we did with De Litton, Masraoui, got to sell Wan-Bissaka first and Agate, you got to sell McTominay first.

36:27I would imagine with Lemens, we've lined the deal up, but we won't do it until Biemda fucks off. I think that might be what's happening. Becklesman says, what about Ter Stegen? I heard we wanted him. I mean, look, there might be a late opportunity like that. I mean, I think if you'd asked me six weeks ago, I wasn't that, you know, happy about Ter Stegen. I'd be over the bloody moon now. Barcelona's first choice goalkeeper from last year and captain. I'd take him, yeah. Peter Manday says, do you think if we buy Watkins now, in two or three years' time, we should be back in the market looking at Sesco?

37:04No, no. I don't think you go back for Sesco at 25 when he's probably going to be worth about, you know, 80, 90 million. and I don't think we'll do that. So I think you've got to look at the next Cezco. I think that's what you've got to do. And there will be a next Cezco. I mean, look, on Mawani, I think we can discount him. I think we can discount him anyway. But Fabrizio's update is that Mawani only wants Juventus. So that was never a story. But I think in relation to strikers, we're in a better position than we were a week ago because I think if somebody comes in with Mitrovic, and I've seen people talk about Mitrovic, and I've seen people talk about Nicholas Jackson and Mawani, and we've spoken about Mawani, but I think we can safely say today it's going to be Sheshko or Watkins, 100%.

37:50I'm agreed on Watkins getting now, says Tony. I always said Watkins, but who wants United more? Says Pritesh. I think Ollie Watkins will be desperate to come to Manchester United. That's no disrespect to Aston Villa. The relationship with the manager is the big reason there. I think he's Villa's top Premier League scorer, isn't he? I think he's had a good time at Aston Villa. But when Emery was leaving him out of those PSG games, I think that was it. It was a lack of confidence in your number one striker. So I think that that's why he wants to move on. And Man United offers a... I mean, he's not going to get an Arsenal move, is he?

38:29He's not going to get a Liverpool move. He's not going to get a Man City move. So Manchester United, it'd be a huge opportunity for him. And also starting up front for Man United in a side that's rejuvenated, it massively helps his england world cup hopes doesn't it um look i'll tell you what i would love to see and i'm not massively into england even though i'm english harry kane is world class i just can't stand him in an england team he doesn't suit it he doesn't suit the system he wants to drop into the midfield and we need a striker that plays on the last man if watkins comes to man united and starts scoring goals playing on the last man i'd start him for england as well um but that's england's problem uh hi mate says whack ass i was thinking about bournemouth we should play Cunha up front, Bruno and Mbimo behind him, just to try to...

39:13We'd love to hear your thoughts. Mbimo's not playing, mate. Unless I've missed something, Mbimo's not playing. That was announced on the weekend that he won't be quite ready. So I don't think we'll see Mbimo at all. Keel Robinson says, Rasmus was thrown in at the deep end and got 16 goals. We now... We know odds on for... We're now odds on for Seshko, says Robert McCormack. Watkins is giving me mount vibes injury prone he's not injury prone Alexander I'm sorry I appreciate your super chat but he's not injury prone you can't say he's injury prone when he's had no injuries for the last five years apart from a couple last year that were relatively minor that's not injury prone I think injury prone for me is somebody that look if Watkins is injury prone then so is Ahmad Ahmad's missed half the season for the last two so Ahmad's more injury prone than Watkins and I don't think Ahmad's injury prone I think he's had a couple of injuries last year but before that no injuries Watkins if we believe Rasmus and Obi are the future Seshko if we want to reset and believe he can hit the ground running says Sam I think you do have to look at those sort of things as well if Watkins flops were screwed and we helped Villa says Malik the pressure the huge price tag put on a young player is huge we are no stranger to those types of flops of the club says Sudev and I think that's a good point as well you know So Czesco's never played in the Premier League.

40:34He's 22 just. He's going to have a very big price tag and he's going to carry the burden of scoring goals for Manchester United and the league he's never played for. And he wasn't prolific at Leipzig. He wasn't scoring like 30 goals. He wasn't like Haaland at Dortmund. He's good, but he's not, wouldn't describe him as prolific. Watkins comes in. I've played the game. I've played the league. You know, sometimes an older player, they don't, they play without fear as well because they see it as their last, you know, they just embrace it. So there's all sorts to assess. Great position to be in, but we must act quickly.

41:11I voted Seshko, but after, and Bermode leaning towards Watkins, after what he said in his interview with Rio. Fletcher Smith, that was from AndrewR65. Fletcher says, Beth persuaded me today, so I think it has to be Watkins. I haven't seen, watched the Beth video yet, so I didn't know which way Beth was going. i mean she did say get an honor but you know what um so i did some of you lot a lot of you did as well but um i haven't watched this best video actually i'm gonna watch it with a cup of tea in a minute um so i will enjoy that because the background is immense i love the fact that they're doing them from that lovely background in chicago but fletcher smith says beth persuaded me today so i think it has to be watkins but if we do take the risk i wouldn't be mad with sheshko Dan O 'Connell says, it's the toss-up between experience and potential and who we can get to the right price and fast.

42:03Rasmus with potential, could he learn from Watkins? That's from Dan. I think, look, Rasmus is a separate conversation. I still think Rasmus, if we brought Watkins or Sheshko in, might say, I want to go. He might not. I mean, I personally think that it's interesting because I was speaking to a couple of Coventry fans last night I think they're playing Betis tonight in a friendly in Coventry and they were saying we're going to boo Anthony and I said he's not there he's not gone yet so he's not there but they were talking about like you know their championship season ahead and I went like you know what if things went right for us I'd love to see Obi go on loan and play up front for like a Coventry in the championship I think that would be great but look whether it's Shesko whether it's Watkins I do think that Rasmus staying wouldn't be a bad idea because Watkins will potentially pick up injuries, but also the Premier League is so intense now, what striker plays 90 minutes every single game.

43:06There will be 20 minutes, half an hour. You want competition for places as well. There's no resale value if Watkins fails, says Malik. Sarvesh says people crying about age 29 either haven't experienced Van Persie transfer or forgot about it. um well harold was latin when we brought him in you know harold was ronaldo when we brought him in uh stoff onder says we are brown we are down to plan dne but look on the bright side we could have gotten our plan a seshko and watkins are both better than delap good point so fonder uh pengus says fans who say sesco is the only option are the type of people who want to buy a ferrari when all they can afford and need is a toyota get watkins get back to the champions league and then buy the next future star thank you pengers and kevin says i hope you're well we should approach this premier league proven stance carefully sanchez schneidlin lukaku all come to mind and that's from kevin and i'd take the one we can get in the door quickest says lazy he could just take the cheapest you know you you could take the cheapest and go that leaves us money for other deals as well i mean nobody's really saying that if you could get watkins for 50 that's 20 million pounds cheaper that gets you lemons that might get you another midfielder you know no one's looking at it like that is it do you want shashko or do you want watkins and a goalkeeper or a midfielder 20 million is is is installment one on a 50 million pound midfielder isn't it so it's another way of looking at it um stead says watkins will be a huge contract huge wage and no guarantee he hasn't already peaked.

44:45Seshko's sell on value alone makes him a better option. If we're a football club, we're not business, Stedj. I take what you're saying on board, but I think too many times we're a business and not a football club. I'm not really bothered about huge contracts, huge wage, and I don't think it will be. I don't think it will be a huge contract and a huge wage, to be honest. Do we want a dynamic United or a Watkins that doesn't excite anyone? and Sheshko is amazing and wants to come and play for us United says Nicholas uh 10 a.m show 2 p.m show 8 p.m show 2 a.m show watch along 4 a.m match reaction Mark thank you for all the amazing content you've just knackered me with that BZD I didn't I've just realized so 10 o 'clock show now two o 'clock show eight o 'clock show tonight 2 a.m watch along and then 4 a.m match reaction both are good says John but we can't stall we need to get it done push through some more deals like a goalkeeper and a midfielder and sort the outgoings as John.

45:43There is that as well. But I want to talk about this. This is, look, fair play to Luke Shaw, right? I was talking to Beth about this yesterday. So Luke Shaw did some interviews yesterday, and we were fortunate enough to get a couple of questions to him. Fair play to him for doing them. You know, he might have heard what I've had to say and say I'm not answering questions from them. In fairness, if he had said that, he obviously hasn't heard that over the last 10 years, I've probably been his biggest supporter. I've always said that Luke Shaw is one of the best left-backs in the world when he's fit.

46:14I've always defended him. I think he's a fantastic player. But I will admit, and it is mine to own, that in the last 12 months, I've been a bit harsh on him because it pissed me off that he was injured for six months before the Euros final. And then he didn't even play in the Euros until the final. And then he was injured for another, what felt like six months afterwards. It felt like England was his priority and Manchester United is mine. So it pissed me off. I also think that the contract he was given, which isn't his fault, is incredible when you look at his injury history. He's not been fit for two years as well.

46:53I know for a fact he's well liked at Manchester United. I know that in the dressing room they like him. Hamerim likes him. So that's never been in doubt. But there is a frustration around Luke Shaw. And I'm sure he shares that frustration. but we're a football club we're not a charity and I feel with Luke Shaw over the last two years the the boundaries have been pushed a little bit I just think he should have apologized publicly I think he should have come out and done an interview and say look you know it was never my intention to upset or you know disrespect Manchester United Football Club it was just a freak of coincidence that I didn't play the last three or four months of the season I got called up for the Euros I didn't play through the Euros I was fit for the final and And then I didn't play for another four or five months for Man United.

47:39You know, I know how that looks. I'm sorry to any United fans if it offended them. But it was just one of those things that, you know, would never happen again. It was just a coincidence. But we haven't had that. It's just sort of got swept under the carpet. And I think we, you know, as people who've supported this player and support this club, I just felt a little bit like we would take the piss out of. I also think when he came back from injury at the end of last season, he didn't look anything like the Luke Shaw I know in relation to performance. I don't think he's got back. normally he's out for three months comes back plays really well gets injured two games later and for those two games you go i wish he was fit obviously i don't think he he played very well at the end of last season as well so there's question marks over luke sure of course there is um but you know and i don't think anybody would have been allowed to ask him a question about fitness yesterday before anybody says anything i do wonder just if i could ask a question to luke sure honestly I would have said are you capable of playing three months in a row in the Premier League without getting injured or are you at a point with your body now where you know and the fitness people know you're just going to be managing injuries for the rest of your career I'd love to know the answer to that question you can't answer it in public really I suppose because you're giving away you know why would you say that publicly but the big thing for me for Luke sure is can he get fit and can he stay fit and then on top of that can he get back to being the player he was because i remember luke sure playing left center back with varan against barcelona and was brilliant and i remember for about two months we used him as a left center back and he was i was saying at the time he's one of the best left center backs in bloody the premier league so when it comes to ability he's definitely got it but has he still got it and it's a big big big season for Luke Shaw, realistically.

49:27But look, he spoke. This is what he had to say. And I think some of it was quite interesting. He said on Ruben Amirim, he said he's really tough on the group. There's no stragglers in this team anymore. I mean, that's a big, big statement. Now, some people might say, well, Luke Shaw should be one of the stragglers booted out. I don't think Luke Shaw should be put into the same category as people like Marcus Rashford and Ganacho and Anthony and Sancho. I think that's a different level of conversation. But it's interesting that he's saying that because he spoke very glowingly of Ameren. And remember, it's amazing, but Luke Shaw has been managed by Van Gaal, Jose, Tenarg, Oli, and now Ameren.

50:13And everything in between, Ranić, Van Nisaroy and God knows who else we've had in between. So he's been managed by everybody. And obviously Jose was not Luke Shaw's biggest fan. And I don't think he still is. So for Luke Shaw to be saying that a manager is tough, he can take it for granted that he is tough. And for Luke Shaw to be saying there's no stragglers in the team anymore, that's a big suggestion from a senior player that he's not opposed to people like Marcus Rashford, who's an England teammate, Jadon Sancho, England teammate, obviously played with him in the Euros final in Wembley, Ganacho, etc.

50:54He obviously doesn't have a problem with that and sees it as a positive. He says, we feel like a real team, especially this preseason. Since I've been back, the group is so together. I think that's something that we need to keep to and make us more of a family and everyone all together. but he also went on to say that this Manchester United side could win a Premier League he said you know why not I look at I see the I see the players in training every day I see the immense quality that we have and I think we can win the league now there's going to be a lot of laughing emojis in fact they're already there and I certainly would laugh at it but you know what I took from that, instead of ridiculing a Man United player for saying, why can't we win the Premier League?

51:40Because we can all list out 100 reasons why not. You know what I took from that? A deep breath. And then I went, there's actually something there. Before you take the piss out of Luke Shaw, there's actually something there we spoke about last night. We told him that Cunyren and Mbumo last night. People were telling me the goals they're going to score. And I went, They're two players out of 11. There's nine other players in that team that have already shown, whilst they can be good, they can also drop their heads mentally. They're also inconsistent, whether that's, you know, Agate, Harry Maguire, Rasmus Hoyland, Ahmad.

52:17They've all played in games where we've been shit last season. So they've all got the potential of having quiet games, no matter how good we think they are. That, to me, is Man Utd's biggest issue. You can bring in as many good players as you want, but they will still be surrounded by players that you can't totally trust because they've already shown that they can play in teams that just fall away whether that's Bruno as well Bruno's played in games look at the Europa League final every single player that played the Europa League final has to have a question mark against them on their mentality and consistency because in the biggest game we've had in years they didn't turn up so this is always the thing and when Luke Shaw says we could win the Premier League.

52:58I've seen how good they are in training. I don't doubt that. I bet they're bloody brilliant in training. I used to get told amazing things about Marcus Rashford in training. The things Marcus Rashford did in training, he should be winning the Ballon Door. I had a pound for every time somebody told me that. I'd have about five quid. So I don't disagree with what Luke Shaw's saying about the quality. I mean, look at the squad. but the problem is and the reason we can't win the premier league is that what we do in training isn't what we do on the pitch and and that's the biggest dilemma for everybody it must be frustrating i bet amarin and luke shaw watch training and go we're as good as anybody but we all know put us in put us in front of 75 000 people against bournemouth in the premier league we might get beat and that's something i don't think you solve with a pre-season i think this This is a, it's almost like a dressing room mentality that you've got to break down and rebuild again.

53:57And I think that until we start showing consistency, that will always be the problem. So I don't have a massive issue with Luke Shaw saying, this one's really good. I see it in training. Why can't it win the Premier League? We all know why it can't win the Premier League because it's not just about ability. What's the big saying in life? I would say it's my daughter who plays football. Talent only takes you so far. consistency it's actually the rest i've seen so many players in my life watching football but also playing football who were immensely talented but didn't have that um and i've seen some people gary neville who weren't the most talented player but because of that was one of the best right backs i've seen england have in my life and that just that's a testament to you know hard work and dedication and i think mental capacity as well i know people that are weak mentally at sports but they're not it's not that they don't work hard they just they're just weak mentally that's just the makeup of who they are um why are addicts addicts you know why are lazy people lazy like man united for whatever reason have this collection, collective dressing room mentality that when things go wrong, we fall apart.

55:16I still think if we'd scored first against Spurs, we'd be in the Champions League. If we'd have scored that scrappy, crappy goal that Spurs scored, we'd have won that game because Spurs set up to be defensive and counter and they wouldn't have been able to do that at 1-0 down. But because we conceded first, we were like, oh shit, you know, what happens? and all the composure and all the mentality disappears. So I think Luke Shaw makes a good point. I think we have got a team that's not a Premier League winning team, but it should be in the top four, certainly should be in the top five. But we can't put it there because we're terrified that we can't trust this team.

55:54Simple as that. As Reece says, the players freeze too often. If you want to see those interview clips with Luke Shaw, they're on our Facebook page, they're on TikTok, they're on x and we've got the full video on youtube as well also i want to go and watch beth's video now because i want to see what she said about watkins because i didn't know she'd gone watkins over shesko so i'm i'm intrigued to see that uh rave says gary neville wasn't talented he was world class and was better than all the usual suspect lauders and now i disagree gary neville said it himself i disagree i watched gary neville playing the euros in 96 um which was the breakout year for the class of 92 and he'd been playing for a while I don't think he was the most talented right back naturally I think most of his career was based on hard work dedication and learning and that's why he became one of the best right backs England have ever had but it wasn't for me based on talent it was based on hard work Hayden Hackney's going to Ipswich for 15 million says Matt don't tell the hipsters they'll be devastated told you we were never in for Hayden Hackney I don't know what that was all about I've seen so many United content creators and United hipsters and tiktokers saying Hayden Hackney Hayden Hackney and I've been like don't it just proves they've got no fucking idea about what they're talking about when they talk about sources we've never been in for him never i don't even know if he's decent um we're back at two it's a big day we've got a watch along eight o 'clock show all everything's going on um interesting morning thanks everyone for tuning in make sure you smash the like on the video and subscribe interesting morning sheshko 61 whatkins 39 yesterday sheshko 75 and whatkins was 25 so it's moving towards whatkins the longer this goes still sheshko is the outright favorite but let's see what happens um kickoff time for bournemouth is 2 30 a.m uk time so we're about 12 14 14 and a half we're about 16 and a half hours away from it i think oh well take care everyone speak to you in a bit