157: Wharton TALKS Begin! Amorim PREFERS Hjulmand?

0:01Hello, everybody. Good morning. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United transfer news. It's also a Saturday. It's a good day. I hope you're doing well. I'm feeling good. Look, you know, I'm very disappointed about what's happened with Valeber and we can dissect that. We're moving towards Wharton, but apparently Amrin prefers Jolnum from Sporting. There's also significant goalkeeper updates as well. Interesting stuff from Sesco's agent and a few bits to get into. in relation to Sancho and a few others. So busy show this morning, but I hope you're in a good mood because the Premier League is back and football is back and Man United are back tomorrow and we can have the toxic positivity, the negativity, the constructive criticism, the predictions, but the reality is nobody's got a bloody clue what's going to happen tomorrow.

0:46I believe that Manchester United will not get beat tomorrow and that is just based on pure prediction. So I'm excited. We're playing a game tomorrow. There are big problems at that football club. There is big debt at that football club. We're going to knock Old Trafford down. We don't know whether we're going to have a midfield or a goalkeeper. But tomorrow afternoon at 4.30, we're United behind the club we love. And that is very exciting. And also the Premier League is back. So sorry if I'm in a good mood because you know what? You've got to grab those good moods when you can. And yes, yes, I am concerned about Manchester United.

1:19I don't. I respect and like Fabrizio Romano. But as I've always said, I'm not here to live my life, to just follow somebody like the Pied Piper. I'm not a rat. So I don't agree with what he said about Belaber last night. And maybe that's the information he's getting, but I don't agree with it. I don't agree that this is what he said. Belaber's attracted to United, but he's never told Brighton that he wanted to leave and does not intend to force his departure. Man United trying to find a price, but Brighton refused to set one. So United will explore other options. I just don't. I'm sorry. In the most relaxed, nicest way possible.

1:54before we talk about Wharton or Jungland, I will say this. I don't believe it. Victor Maldrew FC. I do not believe that Manchester United briefed David Ornstein publicly that we wanted Balaba, spent a week and a half in talks with Balaba and then knocked on the door to Brighton and they said he's not for sale and went, oh, okay. Like, I don't know what type of idiots they think United fans are, but there's more to that story than that. So basically what we're being told is United spent a week and a half on Belaber. He was never going to put a transfer request in and he was never for sale. Come on.

2:30Come on. I mean, the story I believe is that we spoke to Belaber with Brighton's knowledge under the belief that Brighton would negotiate at a lower price. And we've agreed personal terms with Belaber. We've then gone to Brighton. They've said the price is this, or they've said, make us an offer. United have said, we don't just make offers blindly and they've walked. And it just, you know, I think some people are sort of like going, like, oh, well, what do you expect? I don't expect us to be wasting nearly two weeks on a deal like that with only two weeks left on the window in a very important position.

3:07And I certainly don't expect us to play out publicly. So no, I don't see any positives to what we've done with Belayba. I think it's absolutely baffling. And from a position of trust and respect around what we did with Shesko, I think what we've done over the last week and a half is just baffling. From a business point of view, it's incredibly bad. And if I was Sir Jim Madcliffe, I'd be calling people into the office and saying, what have you done over there? And that's the important thing. I'm not blaming Sir Jim. I'm not blaming Joel Glazer. I mean, I don't know whether they're involved. What I would be saying is, why have you mugged us off?

3:42Why have you publicly put this story out there that you're publicly in talks with him and then Brighton basically says not for sale like what have we been doing and I think that's the thing for me on it but we have to move on and we must move on and you know maybe maybe there's a twist in the tale I still retain trust in this football club in this transfer window and I don't know why I think I'm one of the minority I still you know obviously after the disappointments of last night and the spin of bollocks that you know trying to what What we're basically doing is we're trying to cover up the fact that we've made ourselves look stupid.

4:15I expected that, but I still retain a belief that we'll do something in the last two weeks. I don't know about you. Maybe that's positive toxicity in front of you on your TV screen. But I do retain a belief that we'll do something because we were clearly planning to do something with Belaba. So I worked to the assumption that even if you think United are the worst negotiators in the world, They must have been expecting to pay at least 70, 80 million pounds for Bill Abour, which means we've got 70 to 80 million pounds. So that's what I'm saying. And I'm not saying up front, but I mean, is there anybody in this chat that thinks you could have gone to Brighton and done a deal of 40 million pounds now and 40 in the future?

4:56I mean, it'd be 80 minimum and 30 in the future. So I'm assuming we've got about 70 million pounds. and I think every chairman and every CEO that we approach is going to assume that as well so we better have which leads us on to Wharton or Yulmland or somebody else and that's that's where we're at so let's start off with where we've got to move on obviously so look a multitude of outlets this morning are reporting that Manchester United are ready to go on Adam Wharton I think that But looking around, a lot of it feels like it's just prediction. I was looking at this one from Sebastian Vidal. I mean, I've never really noticed him before.

5:42Man United have identified Wharton as an alternative. Crystal Palace valued the England midfielder at around£70 million. And I'm not shouting him out because he's got a good first name. I'm shouting him out because that's pretty much the fruits of the story around Wharton. There's a lot of talk about Wharton and many people saying Wharton talks will begin. I like the player. We definitely, definitely do like the player at Man United. We've liked him for, I think, before Wilcox was here easily. yeah probably I would I would hazard a guess back end of the season before last um he's always been a player that Man United have liked obviously him being English would be you know very good I think he'd be brilliant in Man United's midfield he's more defensive than than Belaber and I'd certainly like to do you know a 10 minute section on a future show if this develops in comparison comparing Belaba to Wharton.

6:49But Belaba, for me, energy, intensity, gets the ball, drives forward, wins the ball high up the pitch, a bit more creative. Belaba's basically Bruno to Wharton's Agate. And I'm not saying Belaba's like Bruno or Agate's like Wharton, but Wharton would be more withdrawn. He would be more of a holder. And, you know, I do like him But I do think that there is a very, very different player in Wharton To what there is with Balaba And that, to me, always worries me Because it's like going from, I don't know

7:36It's like going from Erling Haaland to someone like Eketika They play up front, but they're very different types of forwards. Ekotike can drop in, link the play up, etc. Haaland wants to play in the box and finish things off. So I think Wharton and Belaber are very, very different midfielders. But I don't necessarily have a problem with that. I'm just saying that they are very, very different. So my sympathies go to Ruben Amrin, because if he thinks he's getting that and then he gets that, it's very, very different. it's very similar to Eric Ten Hag was it three years ago where all summer he wants Frankie de Jong and at the end of the window you spend 60 million on Casemiro Casemiro was a very exciting signing but he definitely wasn't Frankie de Jong and very very different so I think we need to get our heads around that that if we're not getting Belaber and it looks like we're not and we're going for someone like Wharton very very different and I agree with Catch-22 Belaber's a very special talent very very different players but that's going to happen like I mean I don't blame United for that like if you don't get player A you're going to be very very um lucky to get someone else that's very very similar what I would say is though and and I'm glad it's almost well timed I watched Liverpool Bournemouth last night I'm doing Villa Newcastle at half 12 on That's Football it was brilliant watch along last night tune in the conversation was really good but I watched I saw something that many of you've mentioned, and I want to shout you out for this, and we've discussed it, right?

9:04Just divert from Wharton for a moment. Why is it when United go for a player like Belaber, it's Brighton's hard work and it's£100 million, and then we go for Crystal Palace, hard work for Wharton, and it's£70 million. Why is it Man United don't scout well enough to bring these players in? Because I look at Bournemouth with Kirkes. He's gone, and the left back that they brought in, I think from Rennes, Truffaut, 23, 15 million pounds, looks as good as Kyrkos straight away. And you sort of like go, and I'm not saying he's going to be as good as Kyrkos, but you can almost see him going to Newcastle or Chelsea in a couple of years for 50 million quid.

9:49And you sort of go, he's playing first team football at Anfield and he stands out as one of the best players on the pitch. And last season he was playing for Rennes in League One. And I think, why is it for a football club that's in debt and needs quantity and quality, why is it we always end up buying Wolves, 62 million, Brentford, 65 million, Sesco, 70 million or whatever, Belaber, 100 million? surely we have good enough scouts that we can actually go and get like there must be another belabor out there that's what i'm saying that there must be like another belabor out there who's playing in french league or something like that um and we just don't ever do it and that's why it becomes problematic at the end of the window because it's like we've got to write a big check we've got to write a big check now and bournemouth brighton brentford forest you know Fulham all these clubs are just so good at picking up these players players uh Bolva says do you think it's shirt sale purchases I mean I'd hope that that's not a factor but it it sort of hits home today this morning because as I said it looks like if you believe reports that we may well go for Wharton next although there's a big update on Yomland coming um it looks like we're going to go to Wharton next and I sort of just look at it and go there's such a difference between Wharton and Balaba.

11:11If Ruben Amrind says to me as head of scouting, I want Balaba, then I know the type of midfielder he wants. And therefore I go, he's good at this. He's good at this. He's good at this. Right. Okay. If you don't get him, there is a lad playing in Bundesliga who has very similar traits. He's a bit of a punt. We'll probably get him for about 15 million. There's also another lad playing in the French League, who again has very, very similar traits. But what we do is we go Belaber to Wharton, very different players, but both very expensive. And I'm like, if he wants a certain type of player, then if you don't get Belaber, surely you go for a player that's got similar traits and they aren't similar traits.

11:55That's what I'm trying to say. Wouldn't say no to Wharton, he's a quality player. And I like Wharton, Scott. I do like Wharton, But, you know, whereas I think Belaber was more of an eight, I think Wharton is more of a six. That's probably the easiest way I would say it. Happy wedding day to United Stand viewers, Oli and Ashley in sunny Devon. Lots of love from all of us at the end of the day. Champers. Well, at the end of the day, Oli and Ashley, you will be having champers, I would hope. It doesn't, I won't ask the question. Thank you, Tim. Thank you very much for that. And happy wedding day.

12:32Exactly. Wouldn't say no to Wharton, says Scott. Mark, regarding United not scouting good enough, I think the other big clubs do it as well. They use the lower clubs as feeder teams. Yeah, I agree. That's absolutely fine. I understand why Chelsea do it and Liverpool do it and Arsenal do it because they're very wealthy now. But we're not Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal and Man City because we're not in the Champions League. So I said this yesterday Before I knew that we weren't going to get Balaber I was saying that this was yesterday morning's show So shout out to me No one else bloody does it I said we've got to get Balaber this summer Because if we wait till next summer All the other clubs will be there We're not We are the Bayern Munich of England But we don't behave like it We're nowhere near it We are now having to be the Dortmund Or the Leipzig of England Where we go and get the player a little bit earlier so Bayern Munich can sweep in and get the players they want because they're the biggest and the best and they've got the money.

13:28Dortmund and Leipzig have to be a little bit more you know predictive in what they're doing a little bit early they have to jump on a player a little bit early that's what we need to be doing that's what we were I thought we were going to do with Belaber I thought you know what we're jumping a year early because we know next year Real Madrid Liverpool will be there and they'll be able to offer him the money etc so us jumping in a year early helps. And I thought, you know what? This is clever from Man United. We're not Real Madrid. We're not Liverpool. We're not Arsenal. We don't have the Champions League.

13:55We don't have the revenue. We don't have the pull at the moment. So you've got to act like a Dortmund and a Leipzig and get them in a little bit earlier and take a little bit more risk and better on your scouting. And I thought that's what we were doing, Belieber. Well, now apparently, oh, he'll still come to us in a year. Mate, if Belieber's saying he'll come to us in a year, it's because what harm does it do? next year when we're not in Europe and Liverpool and Real Madrid knock on the door do you think he's going to go nah it's Man United I want the chances of that are very slim and he'll still be 100 million pounds he might be even more and there'll be a bidding war so that's my point I think that yeah I agree with you Rajaf that Chelsea and everyone else don't necessarily scout people like Truffaut or Belaba before they go to Brighton and Bournemouth but we should because we're in massive debt and we're not where those clubs are so financially it would be better as well.

14:45There's a player that I don't think they're playing today. There's a striker that's just gone to Forest called Jesus. Igor Jesus, I think he's from Botafogo. I think he's going to do really well, under£20 million. Even if you are letting Rasmus go, why would you not bring a second striker in for£20 million? So yeah, I think we behave like we're Liverpool and Arsenal, but actually we need to behave more like we're Dortmund and Leipzig just for the short term to get better players in earlier. If you want to buy from Brighton, should have messaged Todd Bowley. Bro deals with Brighton like we do my morning business after a cup of coffee, says Rub.

15:24Wharton unlikely right with Ezion Guehi moving. I think this is a great point from Drake. Just before I talk to you about Jumland this morning, Adam Wharton, I think, might be quite lazy. I think I've not heard Ornstein talk about it. I've not heard Romano talk about it. I think it might be, I might be wrong, but I think it might be a lazy assumption that we're going to go for Wharton because I think it's a harder deal to do than Belayba. Simply because Brighton have sold Gael Pedro, that was in June, selling Belayba, they're a selling club if they get the right money. Palace, Ezi and Guehi are so close to going.

16:05Wharton, they don't need the money, Palace. They had a good season. They won the FA Cup. they're in well i know they're in the conference league but it's still money they don't need the money and actually they'd be risking getting relegated so and also there's not a lot of time left in the window for them to replace ezzy gwehi and wharton so i think palace would say look maybe his price is 60 million pounds but this late in the window we want 70 we want 75 and then you're going to overpay as well so i'm not saying we can't do the deal and i'm not saying that we can't afford 70 million pounds but what i am saying is we'll overpay because it's late in the window and how close will we actually end up being paying for Wharton than what we could have got Belay before?

16:47So I don't think it's an easy deal to do. I agree, Drake. What if we wanted Belay to start demanding to get out to reduce the price, but it went wrong as he didn't do that, says Hines. Well, we're idiots. I don't know whether that's true here, Hines, but we're idiots. I don't want players that kick and scream and force their way out. I think it shows a bad attitude. So if that was our play, you know, it's arrogant, isn't it? I mean, at the end of the day, we're playing hypothetically here. But if United's plan was to get the Labour cheap because he goes on strike, what a horrible, arrogant thing to do.

17:23You know, disingenuous. Like, I don't want us to behave like that. I think it bites you in the arse. You know, you bring players in and then they cause toxicity in the dressing room. They leak to the press and you go, oh, it's not our fault. we're meant to be bringing in players with the right attitude getting a player to go on strike and reduce his price to help us out just it's just not doesn't fit with what we're meant to be trying to do um and i i know natasha i didn't say we did do that i'm answering a question that was put into the live chat and i said hypothetical let's play it out which means i don't know whether that happened and i would like to think it didn't happen because it doesn't fit with what united are trying to do with the likes of Sesko, Kunjurin and Bermot.

18:05I think what happened is we had no concept that Brighton would want us to bid£100 million because that's what they got for Casido. And I think we've publicly embarrassed ourselves wasting a week and a half on a player that does want to come, but we can't afford. Go get an honour from Villas as we're putting. Few people have spoken about him. Not his biggest fan, to be honest with you. You know, I know a lot of Villa fans. They think he's decent, but yeah, I don't think he's the transformative player you think he is. We must get a midfielder like Baleba. A balanced midfield will cost as many points as Mikel.

18:41Would we be able to get Donnarumma now because Baleba is no longer an option and we can afford him, says Harrison. Got to say, Harrison, I find the Donnarumma story mildly irritating because it's not based on any substance at all. It basically was formed in, you know, bullshit as mine, saying that we're in talks with him when we weren't. Um, I think Edison is close to leaving Man City this morning and Donnarumma will go there because he wants to go there. It's a massive move for him. It's good money. It's Champions League football. Um, I feel that Man United and Donnarumma was exactly what I said it was.

19:17I think it was using the name Man United to generate interest. We've never been in for him. We can't afford him and we're not getting a goalkeeper unless we sell a goalkeeper. Um, I actually read an update this morning from Mike McGrath. I think Mike McGrath is Guardian or Telegraph. Anyway, he's saying that Le Mendes is a player that Man United like and admire, but Inter Milan are now starting to sniff around and United can't bring a goalkeeper in until they move one on. So incredibly, here we still are with a goalkeeping roster of Behinder and Anana. So we can't bring a goalkeeper in until we get rid of a goalkeeper.

19:56And here we are, sat with our hands on, you know, sat on our arse, doing nothing. Can it be possibility that United thought that Belaber would ask for a move to go for a strike if the news was put out in public? As I said, I hope not. Yulmland's a big no from me. Completely different profile to Belaber, like going from De Jong to Casemiro. It would be wasting funds, I think, says Rory Seat. But I would level the same thing at Wharton as well. But clearly, that's what we're going to do. And I suppose, you know, you raise a valid point. Is it concerning when you have plan A and plan B is so different?

20:32Because if it goes wrong, you automatically can go, well, plan A was very different to plan B. I mean, I find it strange that you have a plan A and then your plan B doesn't have a lot of the qualities of plan A because surely plan A is a reason. so look as I said there might be a player in the French league who's going to cost you 30 million pounds who's a closer fit to Belaber than Wharton so why would we not go for that player if it's those qualities we want why are you going for something that's high profile and expensive but different I like Wharton I like what I've seen of Yulmland but if he's really different that they're really different to Belaber why are we doing it um and I you know or was it not that important to Amram in the first place.

21:19I wonder if United put it out there saying they were after Belieber knowing they didn't stand a chance. So basically a PR stunt says Adrian. A few people do think that, you know. Stop the protests. Get in lads. Premier League is back, says Rub. Mark, come on, mate. Stop making this up, says Cantona. Don't know what I'm making up, mate, because you haven't told me. Daniel Derbyshire, thank you very much for being a member of 58 months. Kalilia says, just dropped the wife off to work in my new kit with Cesco on the back. Guesses which team was boarding the coach to go play Villa. Best believe it.

21:48I made sure I tried my back to them, says Callier. Newcastle. Amit, thank you very much for joining the members club. Thank you very much. I'm interested to see how Newcastle get on today, actually. The thing is, you know the interesting thing about Newcastle is we can banter them because we beat them to Sesco, but when you look at their team, it's way better than ours. It's true, isn't it? When you look at Newcastle's team, it's way better than ours. They might be weak up front today. I don't know who will play up front for Newcastle because Izak's not there. But they've definitely got a better midfield than us.

22:23You could argue they've got a better defence than us. So they're still a decent team. Stefan says, feels like a McTominay replacement. Tusha says, look, it's just speculation on my part, but United would now go for a big name from Europe, most probably. who are past their best and pay loads of them. I hope we don't do that, Tusha. I really don't. That's why I'd be surprised if we went for Douglas Luiz because a lot of people are saying Douglas Luiz is cheap and I know he's been linked to Forrest. But if we go for Douglas Luiz, he's going to be, he's 27. He's only just 27. But remember, there is this policy of not buying players over 26.

23:03So it'll be interesting to see what we're going to do. I certainly, I do think that we will, I do think that we will buy a midfielder now, but I'm not going to make any predictions on it because I think if you go Wharton or Yulmland, you get excited and it could be something a lot lower than that. Maynac says, why are we not going for loan deals for a good DM in foreign leagues? Maybe with obligation, getting a loan at least better than keeping the position void. well it is Mayank but I suppose the flip side to that is that we were just talking in talks with a hundred million pound player so if you bring Belaber in he's suddenly your best midfielder if you bring a loan deal in is he going to be better than Bruno Mainu or Agate or is he just coming in to fill a void and and that's the thing isn't it you've gone from super signing exciting signing could be a superstar for years to loan deal just to fill in the numbers and that I agree is better than nothing, but it's concerning.

24:06Manganite says, the stubble beard suits you. Thank you very much. If only we could get Musa, says Liam Vernon. Feels like a McTominay replacement, says Stefan. I don't mind Belieber all in, but did not like that we went public, then back off without a plan B. Why can't we do it all in Belieber and plan B as Gold Cup in Hoyland, says Seth. Karen says, I mentioned this is one of the previous shows, and I reiterate that our scouting network is not up to it. We need to bring in these young players at a reasonable price, especially considering we're a billion in debt. Well, it goes hand in hand, doesn't it?

24:36Yeah. Chris Rigg for me over Wharton or Yulmland, says Andrew. I'd go for Kamara as midfielder, says Sam Braun. Belaber would be only able to make up for Bruno's faults. There is no player that will be able to do that, says JSD. Colin, welcome to the Members Club. But I tell you what, you know, I'm not necessarily here to preview Arsenal because I've already done it. But whilst we're talking about the midfield, remember tomorrow we're up against Declan Rice, Zubamendi and Odegaard. A very strong defence and Jokeres up front. I mean, I am very excited and I'm hoping that the 75 ,000 atmosphere at Old Trafford excitement opening day is going to be enough to get as a result.

25:16Anything can happen on opening day, but God, it's a test. Wharton is very different profile to Beliebus as JM. Beliebus is an out and out ball winner. Wharton is a deep line playmaker with much lower tackling link stats. That's what I mean. It's very, very different. Agomi from Sevilla says liking trash. That was from JM. Can you imagine how toxic it will be for whichever plan B midfielder we sign who doesn't do well? It says One Inch Wonder. I know. And that's sort of like where I am on it. It's like I still am sat here going, I don't understand the Belaber play. It was just, that's why I thought we were going to get it done.

25:52When David Ornstein is saying Man United are in for the Labour and were in talks with him and United basically briefed Ornstein. I don't think people understand that as well. You know, we're here to analyse and speculate and give opinion, but I don't think anybody's going to disagree with me on this statement. David Ornstein is different to Romano. I think they're both brilliant, the Messi and Ronaldo of the transfer world, but David Ornstein is not speculative. He's not somebody that misses. He's few and far between. and he scores worldies, whereas Romano scores worldies, but Tappins as well.

26:30So when David Ornstein clearly is briefed that we're going for Belaber and then the deal doesn't happen, I'm not saying it damages Ornstein, but in a sense it does. Because I think when David Ornstein says something, you go, well, this is going to end up with a deal. And this is probably the first time where that hasn't happened. And look, the wordings of his updates didn't say the deal was going to happen. I know that. But I can only give off what I think. And when David Ornstein says something about a Man United transfer, I basically, even if he says we're in talks and only talks and it's a difficult deal, my association with that update is that we're going to get it done.

27:07So I still sit here and go, we publicly briefed him and allowed it to go out. And then basically our transfer plan, assault to get the labour was about as impactive as an ant's fart. It was just weak. It was a whimper. It was crap. jab oh brighton say brighton wiped tell us a price we've walked away i mean so i i i know i'm i'm laboring the point a lot but i just want to say the reason for it is and the reason for the confidence was i can't remember such a significant and look it's a significant update i can't remember such a significant update update from somebody as credible as david ornstein about man united being in talks for a player and then a week and a half later we're just walking away saying it's too expensive.

27:57It's weird. And Man United don't do anything without a reason. So I don't know what that reason was. Was it to sell shirts? Was it to create a bit of buzz? Was it just crap negotiation? I don't know. I still don't understand what we were planning to do there. Who was it at United who went, yeah, we're really happy that David Ornstein's talking about is going in for the Labour. Somebody should have gone. Why have you put that out there? We can't do this deal. Brian won£100 million and we haven't got it. Why is this out there? The fan base is going mad. People are putting him into 11s. People are talking about, you know, playing with Mainu in a year's time.

28:34Why is this story out there? Why are we fanning the flames? Oh, Romano's doing it now. Romano's talking about us being in talks. Kill it. Dead. Why are we letting it go? Why are we letting it go? A whole week and a half of updates around Belaber from credible journalists. And United are there fanning the flames going, yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody should have put those flames out. somebody should have put those flames out and said we're not going to get this deal done Brighton won't even give us a price which means they want us to bid blind 100 million we can't do that like they're not giving us a price so we're not we can't do it I don't understand why we did what we did and publicly put it out there but look let me talk about Yonlin this is quite a significant update by the way and I'm again look I've mentioned Simon Stone BBC Sport Man United correspondent for years.

29:23Again, look, he's not a transfer expert, but somebody that's very tapped into the club, doesn't speculate. Some people call him a tapping journalist. I think that's disrespectful. It's just that he's not a speculative journalist. What he gets will be well sourced. This is his words. Someone I've spoken to with an understanding of Jumla's situation believes the 26-year-old Denmark midfielder will move this summer. United need to start selling players, but I'm guessing that if they exhaust their inquiries for Belaber, their sites may turn to Lisbon. So what? This is why you need to watch the United Stand shows all the way through to the end.

30:02That's the biggest story of the day. That's the biggest of the day. Talk to me. Because that's from somebody very, very credible who doesn't do speculation, basically saying that Yulmland is on the move this summer. And if you know I don't get Belaiba, that's where they could go. Now, what I would guess is that Amorim prefers Yulmland. A hundred percent. I think after Belaiba, I think he'll prefer Yulmland. Now, you might get a situation where Wilcox prefers Wharton because he's thinking about homegrown players, British players. He's younger. I think the age difference between Wharton, Adam Wharton is what, 22?

30:5621? Only 21?

31:02Jormland is 26, just 26. So, yeah, I mean, look, absolutely, you can bet your bottom dollar that United will be pushing for Wharton because he's younger and he's British and he's got more value because he's five years younger. But, you know, a little bit like Jokeres and Sesko, I think Amrind would have preferred Jokeres because he's used him before and he knows the system. So, look, you know where I'm going. It's probably the best one we've had in a while. In fact, I think this is an absolute banger. Yormlan, Yormlan or Wharton? Let the chat decide.

31:48Yeah, somebody just said, why have you left that so late in the show? Because I'm a bit of a tease. No, because I love the community and I like the conversations that we have. And it's not the six o 'clock news. I don't read everything in the order of impact. And I wanted to leave it a little bit in for the people who actually watch the channel and are part of the community because that's the biggest update of the day. Simon Stone saying that Jumland is likely to leave and Man United could well go there after Belayba. If Jumland's leaving Sporting, he'll be cheaper than Wharton. He's played the system.

32:27this is the player we've got to go for. You know, I like him. I like him. Admittedly, I've probably watched Sporting as much as you lot. So, you know, a handful of games in the last 12 months. But I like him. I think he's cheap at£50 million and he's only just 26. So, So you've got five seasons before he's 30, really. So I really do like him. I feel that Amrim will prefer him, but I feel that Wilcox... I'm not pitting Wilcox against Amrim. I'm just saying I think United's policy is Wharton, and I think Amrim's policy is Jomlin. And I would be happy with both, but I would say that, I mean, I don't think either are close to Belayba, by the way.

33:34And I was trying to think there, which one's closest to Belayba out of Juhlman and Wharton. And I think it's just not worth even debating it. you'll uh you'll man and watson are different um i think you'll man's better um but he is a bit older but they're both very different to belabor i mean neither of them are high high intensity players that play high up the pitch dribble with the ball carry the ball they're not those types of players they're different um but i think yeoman would be cheaper um and i think it would be an easier deal to do again i think sporting are more of an accepting selling club than palace are going to be um but it's a tough one and you know that's that's that's that's um who would you go for Mark?

34:30I just think it's a flip of the coin to be honest I probably prefer Yulman because he's played in the system and he's played for Amrim and I'm very surprised we haven't gone for a sporting player and I really believe we should have gone for a sporting player so I'd probably just flip towards him but I also think Wharton does incredibly well for a 21 year old in the, you know, I think Wharton could be the next Declan Rice, basically. Not the same type of player, but I think by the time he's 25, he's probably playing for England week in, week out. So it's a flip of the coin, you know, it's a flip of the coin.

35:08They're both very different to Belaber though. And that's my biggest concern. Like if we want Belaber, surely there's a reason we want him, but we clearly don't have any other backups there. But I also just want to add, I'm not convinced that we're going for Wharton or Yulman as much as people think I detect there might be a bit of lazy journalism there It's just logical to go from Belaber to Wharton and Yulman I think it's just logical, lazy journalism I can do it, we've done it I wouldn't be surprised if there's something else Maybe a cheaper option, maybe a loan deal like somebody said

35:49I think it might just be too obvious to go for one of those two players Mark, I just compared Edison is closer to Belaber than Yulman and Wharton Carrying Belaber 80, Wharton 35, Yulman 19, Edison 56 Yeah, I mean, look, again, you could throw Edison in there, Ron I think he's a very expensive option Atalanta are very, very difficult to deal with As we know from Rasmus and from Ahmad, they get good money so yeah um he probably is closer to edison as well i mean i certainly think when we've spoken about edison in the past i always said bring him in in a midfield three with 10 hog and a lot of people said well he's not really a six and i said yeah but i think he can do a six role but yeah you're right he's more of an eight so yeah he would be closer to belaba definitely better to wait for belaba keep close contacts as super arch i'm sorry to be offensive mate but i think you're ridiculously naive if we've got anybody in this chat saying better to wait for belaba You are stood on thin ice And the sun is out melting Basically you're going to fall in You're going to get wet What are you talking about?

36:53Wait for Belaber What basis are you taking that on Other than pure spin From people trying to cover up a shit deal Like he hasn't said he's waiting for us next year He said Apparently he said He'd still be open to coming to Man United next summer Nobody else is bidding for him Next year after a good season He could be worth 120 Real Madrid come along PSG come along Arsenal come along Liverpool come along Man United come along You think we're going to win that race? I think the Labour Forget it I like your optimism But honestly I'm not even thinking about As having a chance of getting him next year I think our chance has gone And the biggest thing is As Keshe says A lot can happen in a year His price isn't going to come down either his price is only going to go up so i i think we've messed i think we've messed that up unless we go back in at the end of the window and that's the play and maybe it is i'm not going to i'm not gonna i don't want to discount that either maybe there's a late play united go back in you know you get stuff tomorrow who knows but if we don't get him this summer i i don't think we'll get him uh with casemiro bruno out in a year and older cm's better says hit in we get more scrutiny journey buying prospects, says Lewis, i.e.

38:11Rasmus. Jumann's release clause expired in January. Sporting don't need to sell. They need him to win the title and Champions League, says David. Yeah, I agree with you, David. But Simon Stone literally saying that someone he's spoken to with an understanding of the situation believes he's going to leave. That's a significant update from a credible journalist. I agree with you. I would say, well, I don't think he'll leave, but that's coming in from Simon Stone. So that's the best update we've got on a midfielder this morning because I think the Wharton stuff is very speculative. If what we want is intensity, then Wharton and Jelman don't cut it.

38:46It's belabor or nothing, says Bees. Who's doing the negotiating for Manchester United, says Lee. Well, I'm tempted to say it's the Chukul brothers, but one of them is actually dead. So I don't know. Maybe it's, I don't know, Anton Deck. who would you choose out of Wharton or Yulman literally answered that Jason it's very very close I feel I'd go for Yulman just because of the sporting connection for Amorim the only look I like Wharton and if we get him I'll be happy I like Yulman I'll be happy but I feel that happy is about the limit of it because I know that they're very different to Belaber and Amorim wanted Belaber so I'm sort of like Amorim didn't get what he wanted at least if you give him Yulman list late in the window, it's somebody he's worked with before and he knows.

39:35So you would expect him to hit the ground running a bit better and he understands the system. Then again, he's never played in the league. So it's close. Ariel Gaming says, terrible theory. We were after Wharton, but used Belaber to show Crystal Palace that we will walk if the price is too high. Long shot, but maybe. Thing is, Ariel, it may well be a terrible theory, but in the world of Man United negotiations, who's to say that that's not what they've done? I mean, apparently we did ask to take Emi Martinez on loan, which I still think is the most incredible thing of the transfer window that people don't really remember.

40:13WG says, I think they misread Brighton and they maybe misread Belaber. Thought he would throw an Aizak, but he has behaved credibly. I mean, mate, I wouldn't, unless, I don't think we'll ever get the truth because I think what Fabrizio is saying isn't the truth. I'm not saying he's lying. I think he's just feeding out what he's getting, but it doesn't make any sense. I don't think we'll ever get the truth on the Belaber thing, but I would agree with you that maybe it's just poor negotiation skills. If we did ring up Villa and ask to take Emi Martinez on loan, I mean, that's a crime. It's a crime to transfer transfers.

40:50It's just incredibly thick. And maybe we thought we could get Belaber for 60 million. I don't know. I struggle to understand what we've been doing for two weeks, but if you're going to ask Villa to take their best goalkeeper on loan, maybe we did think we could get the Labour for 60 million. Maybe our negotiation is that bad. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that United have employed people who are shit at football. Like, look at Richard Arnold, look at Ed Woodward. They were our CEOs. They don't even like football. They don't even know what they're on about. They're rugby people and they're former bankers.

41:22So maybe we've still got people in that football club who are using transfer market as their value. Because I tell you what, let me tell you the value of Belaber on transfer market. Maybe this is what Man United are using as their negotiation tool. 40 million euros on transfer market. Maybe we sent a screenshot saying we'll give you 60. I don't know. I genuinely do not know. Just on Jadon Sancho, by the way, you won't be surprised by this update, but I don't like giving Jadon Sancho updates. But so in the space of, I don't want to laugh because I know some of you take it seriously.

42:15Was it two days ago we were signing, Roma were going to sign Sancho for 20 million. the next day it was a loan with an obligation to buy for 20 million which we know doesn't mean anything and then today Sancho's not keen on it so I just think with Sancho this is why I don't like talking about Sancho it's just the absolute weight of time um I asked chat GBT for a cheap similar alternative to Belaber Kamara and Monaco was the suggestion let's go and get him well you You can't do scouting on chat GBT, Steve, and that's incredible. But at the end of the day, it may well be doing a better job than United Scouts.

42:58So a lot of people in the chat are saying it is. Yeah. If anyone says Jormland, he has an Arsenal tattoo, says United Jant. Yeah, that probably rules him out, if that's true, to be honest with you. Would you take Elliot Anderson at this point as United Jant? I mean, he's a good player. He's a good player, but again, I don't think Man United would go for that, really. Jax gifted a membership as well. Didn't somebody gift 10 memberships? Did we shout them out? Who was it? For some reason, it's just not popped up. I'll find it. I'll find it. Don't worry.

43:47Jack Sutton's gifted A membership

43:55Oh come on What's it doing It's gone all slow I feel like we might get a crash In a minute Amit's a new member There it is No that's Colin Bolger's gifted a membership Who gifted 10 Can't end the stream And why has it skipped that

44:18Maybe I imagined it Maybe it was Colin

44:25Red Devil Journey These players wouldn't develop at our club Like they do at Brighton and other smaller clubs Says Red Devil Germany Yeah we're in a rock and a hard place then really aren't we

44:41Okay, I feel like I've imagined it Think you're being unfair What if we offer£100 million And they still said no, says Yinka What's unfair about that? If you offer£100 million Brighton would negotiate It's increasingly obvious that football I don't know what I'm being unfair about, Yinka I think it's unfair that Man United fans For a week and a half Have got massively excited about talks with Belieber And then Man United have walked away Without even putting a bid in I think that's massively unfair I think they've played a stupid game That has mugged off their own fan base In a baffling way I think that's unfair But we've got to move on It's increasingly obvious that football is not Sancho's priority Says Emily Derry Well yeah, EAFC 26 is coming out in a month And apparently big rumour is he's got the beta code I've just read it I've read Devil Journal 8 Thank you very much

45:3954 % would go for Yomelen and 46 % Wharton so it's very very close Varen gifted the 10 memberships thank you very much for that big shout out to Varen I don't know why that didn't show up very irritating but at least we got the shout out for you there thank you very much for that okay thanks everyone for tuning in this morning fantastic show the Premier League is back if you're not getting involved with That's Football you're an idiot we're live on That's Football at quarter past 12 for Newcastle's trip to Aston Villa the second game of the Premier League season thoroughly enjoyed Liverpool-Bournemouth yesterday and I just hear you know actually just very very quickly on that we talk about systems and everything what Bournemouth losing three or four players through injury or transfers still playing really good football, still playing really good football.

46:33So, you know, I still think United's big problem is we've got a set of players that on paper look good, but their IQ is not correct. That's why I don't think we've done enough business. I think too many people in our fan base look at the names of players that have been here for a while and think we've got a good squad. And yet those players have shown consistently that they can't play at a high level systematically. So when I'm looking at that team, I'm only looking at six or seven players that I think are actually decent. There's probably 10 players that have got a really good name, but they can't do it.

47:04And that's why when I watch the Bournemouths and the Villas and the Newcastles and everybody else, I go, they might not have the names that we've got, but they play collectively in a system and that's more powerful than the individuals. So I still think when I look at that Europa League final, nobody in that team has been sold. That Europa League final was a disgrace. Nobody in that team's been sold. Ganacho didn't start. Rashford wasn't here. Sancho wasn't here. Malassia wasn't here. And Anthony wasn't here. We've sold nobody from the starting 11. And they were a shower of shit. So we're asking those players who were shit in that final and shit last season to have a break, come back and play Amarim's system.

47:44And I think that is still a big problem. And that is probably why Amarim is saying we've still got a lot of work to do because we haven't even touched the team that was shit last year. Not even touched it. And we still haven't touched the midfield or the goalkeeper. So, yeah, there's still a lot of work to be done and we've got two weeks to try and do some of it. Let's hope we can move quick. Take care, everyone. I will see you over on That's Football in just over an hour. Thanks very much for watching. Eight o 'clock show tonight on the United Stand. Saturday Night Live at eight. Looking forward to it.

48:13Take care.