168: Amorim QUITS?

0:00Hello everybody, good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United news and transfer news as Ruben Amorim drops huge hints after the game last night that he will quit Manchester United in the international break. Is this what we want? Is this what is going to happen? We'll delve into those quotes. We'll get all of your comments. It's going to be a big show this morning and it's all around the state of Manchester United and whether Manchester United, should be looking to replace another manager. Because I tell you what, on the match reaction last night, I've basically given up.

0:37Not given up supporting Man United. Who does that? But I've given up on getting hopeful of Man United ever turning a corner. Ruben Amrim leaving Manchester United by resignation is not the same as sacking. I would actually respect him if he did, because he'd blow the doors off on the real problems at Manchester United. This is not for me about sacking another manager. I personally think Ineos and Sir Jim Radcliffe should be doubling down on players that are clearly downing tools again and saying, look, you can down the tools as much as you like. We're not changing the manager. We want to change you.

1:14We've never done that. We started doing that and we should continue to do that at the detriment of results. OK, because something has to change. But before we get into Amrim's comments, because I think I would agree with most people that when he's talking about words like the players sent the message and, you know, things will get solved in the international break, he has threatened to go twice before, third time's the charm. So, look, I think if you're wanting Amrim out this morning, you're probably closer than you've ever been. But I don't think it will be a sacking. I think he'll walk unless United decide to jump first, which would be very interesting.

1:50but there's a couple of things i want to pose to you because the most important persons here are you you're the united fans you're the people that endure and have to carry on uh the media will just do what they do um and i think we've got people in our fan base who you know i don't think they're real fans i just think they they want to stir trouble up for their own benefit the point i would ask you because i want to listen to you is if we remove amrim or if amrim leaves what does the next manager do? Because all I see is a big pile of shit getting bigger. With every passing manager, the problem becomes bigger.

2:30And you know the next shiny toy that you get in, whether it's Xavi, Zidane, the Bournemouth manager, what happens after six months when you see their tactics not working because these players can't do it? What do we do then? Do we sack the next manager after six months and the next manager after that after three months and the next manager after that after one month and then do we get a new manager every week and then do we get a go every day you know today it's Mark Goldbridge's day and tomorrow it's uh the Raycon guy you know at what point do we actually acknowledge the most obvious thing in the room that the big issue is our inability to clear out Louis van Gaal didn't get a clear out Jose didn't get a clear out Ten Hag didn't get a clear out.

3:14Oli didn't get a clear out. And Amram's not had a clear out. We keep adding to the pile of shit that the previous manager left. And whoever the next manager is, if Amram walks, which he might do, or if he's removed, which could happen, the next manager will walk in and go, I want these players and I don't want those players. And the club will go, well, we'll get you some of those players, but you've got to work with these players. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm wrong about that because it's been going on for 10 years. We don't remove the... Look at this summer transfer window. This is Ruben Amirim's first summer transfer window.

3:49We've sold nobody. Nobody. So you can talk about£200 million spends and you can talk about maybe we should have bought a midfielder instead of a number 10, but we haven't removed anybody. Now you're telling me at the end of last season, you'd all put your hand up in the air and say, we don't need to get rid of anyone. They're all good players. They're just all being miscoached. Come on. Come on. And I tell you what, I saw Phil Jones last night talking about tactics. I mean, if we're listening to Phil Jones talk about tactics, he's one of the prime candidates for the lazy Downing Tools twats who did it for four or five years.

4:24I ain't listening to Phil Jones pontificating about tactics at Man United. I'm sorry, the guy, a lot of money doing next to nothing at Man United. And when he did play, he was shit. So I'm not interested in what Phil Jones has got to say about tactics. What I'm interested in is the likes of Phil Jones, Victor Lindelof, De Lowe, and all these players, Luke Shaw, that have been here for years and years and years. They've had more managers than a bloody local Wetherspoons. They just survive. They survive because we don't move them on. And I want to say this as well, before we get into Van rims close if you think last night was about tactics and i've seen a few of the hipsters there look at the way grimsby close man united down and stop the possession and then they get played through and then they're at our back three and this is amarin's tactics exposed and you know the end of the day i'm done with a different accent end of the day i'm watching that man united side if these tactics don't even work against division four part-timers you know they're not part-timers it's not division four and they're strikers on about four grand a week so they're not part-timers, but they are a League Two side that we should be beating.

5:33That's not tactics last night. This is not tactics, right? This is just not tactics. And if you're falling for people telling you it's tactics and doing little clips, it ain't tactics. You know, bruv, bro, and all this talk about getting rid of it, you know, it ain't tactics, right? I'll tell you what it is. It's the same thing it's been since Oli Gunnar Solskjaer when he got the contract. Remember when Jose got sacked? Jose got sacked because of player power. That's where it started. We then brought Oli in. You've got everyone in a big group and went, we're all mates, aren't we? Karaki, me and you.

6:07And they went, yeah, we love Oli. We love Karaki. They did really well for three months. They tried hard for three months. That manager bounced, right? Oli got given a contract and all the players went, our job is done. We've proved that Jose was the problem. We've got Oli the job. Let's take our foot off the pedal. Within two weeks, we went to Goodison Park and got stuffed. And I said, I don't trust these players. I don't trust these players. How you can go from basically beating everyone for three months because you're proving a point about Jose to Oli getting a contract and downing tools. I've never trusted the players since that day.

6:42And there's been count seven nils last night, you know, the Europa League final. There's a multitude of games where you can say you don't trust these players. But for people to be dissecting the Grimsby game and blaming Amram's tactics, whoa, whoa. Right. If football's about tactics, why does Pep Guardiola spend hundreds of millions of pounds on people like Haaland and he's going to get Donnarumma? If Pep Guardiola is the best tactician in football, why does he need to buy players? Surely a tactical manager can just grab anyone off the street. You know, surely Pep can walk around Manchester and, you know, just grab someone.

7:22Don't abduct them. You'll be, you know, just go, do you want to come and play in the midfield for Man City? I've never kicked a ball in my life. Don't worry. Don't worry. I'm Pep Guardiola. I can polish a turd. My point is, when you are a professional footballer on 200 grand a week and you're playing against Grimsby, you cannot hide behind a 3-4-3 or a 4-3-3. When you're a professional footballer for a club like Manchester United and you're paid what you're paid and you have all the opportunities that are there as a Man United player, you cannot hide behind, I don't like the tactics, it's the system.

7:58Mate, you're playing League 2 players, with all due respect, you're Premier League players, it doesn't matter whether you play a bloody back two, You should be able to stand out as an individual in a game like that. You should be able to grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Why do you think people like Zidane, Kevin De Bruyne, Steven Gerrard, Ryan Giggs, whatever, over the years, can grab a game by the scruff of the neck? Regardless of tactics, they can grab a game because they're good players. Because they're good players with good mentalities. We watched the team last night hiding behind fucking tactics who are on hundreds of thousands of pounds a week who can't grab hold of a game against Grimsby.

8:40Don't talk to me about bloody tactics and systems. That last night supersedes tactics and systems. I understand tactics and systems if you're going away to the Emirates or you're at home to Liverpool. But at Grimsby Town, we're blaming it on tactics and systems. Anan is on 140 grand a week. He couldn't catch a bloody cold. like this is this is a player issue here and my big concern is and let's read what Ruben Amrim had to say after the game because look what we're a becky talking about is will Ruben Amrim be the manager of Man United not by Christmas by but but by the middle of September because I think there is a chance that he will go my point is if Amrim walks it depends what your stance is if Amrim walks it could be the biggest thing that's happened to this football club since Sir Alex Ferguson left could be a really bad thing or it could be a really good thing.

9:35It will expose the problems at Man United. And now I want to read his quote because I think it adds the context. He said, I think it's really clear what they, the players spoke. So let's move on from this day. And I think it was clear for everybody what happened, the way we started the game without insensity or the idea of the pressure. We were completely lost. And that's why I think they spoke really loud. wow what he's basically saying is the players aren't listening the players are downing tools the players aren't good enough you can you can you can read that as many times as you want and you can you can go off on as different tangents as you want but what he's basically saying is what i've told them to do what i expected them to do what man united fans expected them to do didn't happen and they spoke a thousand words i think you can interpret that in your own way i I don't think you need to listen to me or Phil Jones or Reuben Amrum.

10:30When he says, I think it's really clear that the players spoke last night. All I take from that is it's very clear that these players aren't good enough. You know, Reuben Amrum is basically saying, look, you can send these players out there. You never know what you're going to get. And I've known this for a decade. You never know what you're going to get. You know that they can turn up against Arsenal and you know that they can lose to Grimsby. It's the most, we're the most consistently inconsistent team in the Premier League. And I think what Amrim's saying is probably one of the reasons we think he might walk is because he's probably looking at this and going, I can't coach a team that I don't know what I'm going to get on a match day.

11:08And people will talk about that system and that's tactics. But Ten Hag had this problem. Ali had this problem. Mourinho had this problem. It's a player problem. It's a mentality problem. It's a club problem. if you're a coach and you put yourself into that position as man united manager how can you coach a team that you never know what you're going to get you spend all week on the training ground motivational tactical and then the game starts and you go they've done it again jim i don't know what the name of the assistant is they're gonna do it again jim look they're just not up for it what are we supposed to do when we put all the work in and then the game kicks off and they're just they're just they're like that there's no intensity there's no pressure they're all cowards I don't know what you do as a coach.

11:51And that's what my worry is, because if Amrim is going to walk and we bring a new coach in, all right, there might be a new manager bounce. There might not be. There wasn't with Rangnick. There wasn't with Ten Hag. And there wasn't with Amrim. There wasn't a new manager bounce. Ten Hag lost his first two games. So I just think that we're a club in huge debt. We need to spend about half a billion and we don't have it. And basically, it looks like The plan from the top is to bring a manager in and expect a miracle. And it's not going to happen. You know, good managers nowadays, whether it's Bournemouth, whether it's Man City, whether it's Arsenal, is built around a squad of players that are all working hard for the system, whether it's Brentford under Thomas Frank and Spurs now.

12:36We don't have these players. And the problem is, I'd almost be sympathetic to the players if they were brand new. but many of these players have been here for a very long time and they are leaders in the dressing room you know you listen you look at the list of the leaders in the dressing room they've sacked managers you know and I think Amram's saying that they're downing tools again um he said I would like to say very smart things and very important things I have nothing to say nothing to say that is the biggest problem to see the same mistakes and nothing to say in this moment I'm really sorry for our fans it's too much sometimes and look whatever you think about amory and i'm sure there's a lot of negativity this morning and i'm sure some of it's justified one thing i would always defend him on is his honesty people won't like that honesty he will get slated for it people be going that's a show of weakness you know if he's threatening to go again he should go etc but i'd rather have the honesty than the lies and i'm actually at a point where i don't care what happens.

13:36I don't want him to get sacked, but if he walks, I don't care. I really don't care. If he walks, I actually think it might be a good thing. I think it might actually show that this club is beyond repair, that from top to bottom, the rumours are true, that it's a mess, that it's an absolute mess. And the likes of Cunha and Bermuda and Seshko are not going to solve that mess because it's a huge mess. It's a reset button mess. It's a remove the ownership and rebuild from top to bottom mess that we should have done two years ago. We're still trying to put plasters on the wound. He says, I think the problem is when you lose but see something new, it's different.

14:12But when you see something like today, it's hard to talk about that. I just want to say, I'm really sorry for the fans, the support they gave me, the support with all the support they helped the team. I have nothing to say. I'm really sorry. It doesn't sound good. And he says, I think the best team won, the only team that was on the pitch, the best players lose because one team can win against any group of players and i think the team and the players spoke really doubt loud today so that's it we lost the best team won um i think it's um he's threatened to go before i i think it's a declaration of resignation i really um and i'm more comfortable with that than than him being the full guy and being sacked he should not be sacked he shouldn't be sacked he should walk if he's going to walk, he should walk.

14:58He shouldn't be sacked. I said it a few times about Ollie. I said it about Ten Hag. We need someone to just walk away from this because the worst thing that can happen is that a manager gets the blame again. It's beyond belief that we want to pin this on another manager. It is absolutely incredible. I mean, literally, I woke up this morning and I was having a look on social media and I can hear people talking about tactics and system. And I'm Like, we may well get into that when I read some of your comments. But, you know, just to explain my point of view, the reason I don't talk about system and tactics is because against Grimsby, system and tactics doesn't matter.

15:36They're a League Two side. We're a team full of internationals on hundreds of thousands of pounds a week. When I talk about tactics and system, I'm not joking. If we can regenerate it on VR, I would have got us through that gate and goal. I definitely would have saved the first one and I definitely would have punched that corner. So I wouldn't have conceded. And I would have saved one of them penalties. I would have done. He's shit. So he's on 140 grand a week. There are so many mistakes that have been made at this football club. And the one that just jumps out at me this morning is the Ten Hag, the Heia one, but there's no point going there.

16:13Where do we go next? I mean, I can't believe that the first international break could be replacing a manager. I mean, you know what? Some people are going to get excited about that because they love a shiny new toy. But it's ridiculous. I felt it was ridiculous last summer, and I'm sure you'll all agree with me, that we won an FA Cup. The club couldn't decide whether to keep or sack Ten Hag. They kept him. They gave him£300 million, and then they sacked him two months later. That was a joke. Whatever you think about Ten Hag, that was a joke. To sack a guy after spending£300 million on him two months later was a joke.

16:50you bring De Ligt, Masraoui, Xerxi, Agate in and Yoro and then you sack the guy that brings them in two months later I mean how destabilizing is that you then bring a guy in who doesn't play that system and then you start buying him players but you don't remove anybody and then you're going to remove him as well it's scary and I know people get excited about a shiny new toy but those people are dangerous the people who are shouting for Amrim out are the same people that were shouting Ten Hag out a year ago and hammer him in when he came in. And in six months' time, the next guy will be whoever, insert name, out, and we will just keep going through this cycle.

17:30I know for a fact that replacing a manager when the transfer window's closed in season is going to be catastrophic for this football club. I know for a fact that sacking this manager and trying to rebuild again will be catastrophic i also know that the manager market is crap you know if you want gareth southgate in charge you know get excited but there's not really a manager out there that we can go and get people talk about javi but you know you're it's very very difficult because what you're doing again is you're pinning everything on the manager but you're not looking at the players I think there's a shit sandwich here.

18:10And basically, you've got two really oppressive forces that are squeezing in the middle. And that's the players. And that's, look, there's three things here, isn't there? There's a manager, there's the players, and there's the owners. removing the manager every time even if you like the players and the owners every single time in the choice between owners managers and players in the last 10 years it's the manager it's jose it's ollie it's ten haag it's rangyik now it's amrim every single time out of those three factors it's the manager come on even even there is no coincidence there there is no percentage gain there.

18:55Like if there's three factors and every time you remove the same thing and nothing gets better, surely you've got to look at one of the other factors. Like maybe we should have rotated it. Maybe one time we should get rid of the players and keep the manager and the owners. Maybe another time we should get rid of the manager and keep the players and the owners. And maybe another time we should get rid of the owners and keep the players and the manager. Personally, I'd like to get rid of the players, the manager and the owners and have a complete reset. Removing the manager every time. I mean, come on.

19:23I know we're angry. I know we're frustrated. I know we're desperate. But there are three factors, players, manager, owners. And every time it's the manager we replace. Don't listen to the media. They're thick. They're thick. They're not United fans. They're paid to talk about Man United. They're paid to destabilise this football club. They might wear a shirt and tie and they might present themselves as professionals with the blue tick, they are paid to destabilise this football club. That is the job of the modern media. The manager sacking is the best thing for them because you remove the manager, you get a new manager in, you go the rollercoaster of hype, and then you go back for the manager to replace the story.

20:05They can feed their kids on Man United. They can basically go, sack the manager for two months, loads and loads of interest. New manager comes in, loads and loads of interest. New manager doesn't do that well, start the cycle again. We're powerless to remove the glazes. I think the club would change overnight if we did. We're powerless to remove players. I think the club would change overnight if we did. So we're always stuck with the easy option, which is the manager and the cycle will continue. I suppose it's over to you and what's going to happen next. But before I do that, I just want to say as well, if Amrim resigns, and I think it's in the balance, and when I say resign I don't think the club will let it be a resign I think it will be maybe a sacking that Amron wants to get the money or maybe it'll be a mutual thing where they both accept it's not working or maybe he will stay I hope he stays I would rather I would rather ride this out you know just just on pure stubbornness that every time we blame the manager and I'd ride this out and also i think it's i think i think sir jim rather it has to go in the oscar if if actually i'm saying this sort of without thinking if amrim goes then i'd almost say that barrada wilcox and sir jim have to go because they made this choice and they can't they brought in two things then before i get into your comments if amrim goes these two things need saying if Amorim walks or gets sacked, so Jim, Barada and Wilcox should resign because they, inexplicably then, sacked Ten Hag two months after giving him 300 million to bring a guy in who plays completely different football from our entire history as a football club.

21:55Like, I don't think people understand how appointing Amorim went against decades of Manchester United history. We've always been a back four team. It's ingrained in us. Paul Scholes spoke about this last year. Nothing against Amorim, but I don't know why we've brought a manager in that doesn't play a back four. When I think about Man United, we're a back four. When I think about Man United, we're a back four. Ineos decided to go with Amorim, 3-4-3. Stubbornly 3-4-3. And so many people have had a problem with this. And they decided to do it, and then they've not removed any players, and they haven't brought enough players in.

22:32It's going to be catastrophic to this football club if Amorim goes. So I think it's a massive failure on the part of those people. And I would be hugely questioning their judgment forever because that decision will be just a catastrophic catastrophic. The second thing I would say as well. And even this morning, there is some news coming out from the mail that Bruno is preparing to go next summer. He's not ready to go now. I mean, what is this nonsense? What is this nonsense? We are a club on our arse and our captain is basically counting down the days to go to Saudi. What level of commitment is that?

23:09When you're in the trenches, we've got a leader who's ready to jump ship. We are literally in the trenches fighting here. Fighting a war we might not win in a footballing sense. And our captain's basically going, I'm only here for a year. I mean, who's going to follow him? Who's going to be led by him when he's ready to jump ship? And this is the problem. And I will say this, and I didn't want to be saying this, but if Amrim loses his job or walked or whatever, the 78 % of us on June the 2nd who did the poll saying I'd sell Bruno will be on the right side of history. That moment was so sliding doors, it's unbelievable.

23:57You could have took 100 million quid, and I say 100 million pounds because some people say it was 80, but wages off the wage bill, 300 grand a week, which is 1.2 million pounds a month. So 100 million pounds would have been Manchester United's on the books on June 2nd. Look at where we are now. We've got an idiot in goal in a footballing sense. We've got no midfield and we're playing Bruno out of position. Not selling Bruno Fernandes will be that sliding door moment, the same as Ten Hag bringing Anana in for De Gea. I think Ten Hag was over the day he did that because not only did you remove a good goalkeeper for a shit one, he lost the dressing room.

24:43There was people in that dressing room who could not forgive the way De Gea was treated, i.e. shouldn't have been got rid of and also they cleared his locker when he was on holiday i i think with the whoever was behind the mistake and you've got to take responsibility uh i think that bruno thing was was absolutely huge so look that's where we are this morning a lot of people saying i want to i need to get into your comments of course we'll stay live a little bit later today um thanks for everyone who's tuning in by the way 30 000 do you share the video it's an important morning uh of course um what do i think is going to happen i think we're going to get look it's a new show so i can't if i could ignore the media i would i think the last 48 hours has been a disgrace an absolute disgrace these people are parasites absolute parasites they feed off this football club and they don't support it um they have destabilized us for the last 48 hours with a Maynou Amrum story that wasn't even true.

25:46And now they've got a real story. They're going to really go for us. It's disgusting. I mean, somebody was sending that Prats in the Manchester Reaping News did his player ratings yesterday and gave Tyler Frederiksen a two. I don't think Frederiksen played very well, but the principles of being a Man United fan is that when you've got a kid in the team, you protect them. He didn't play well. Just give him a five below average. You don't need to crucify them and give them a two. It's disgusting. These people don't understand the origins of what Manchester United is. You can be angry, you can be frustrated, but you don't stop loving the cause of what made you love this club in the first place.

26:23And these people are parasites and they're going to go for it because they want to see the world burn every six months because it makes them relevant. I want to see Man United back on top. If you're asking me what the three-point plan is, I'm getting rid of Ineos and the Glazers tomorrow and I'm getting rid of most of that squad. and I'm starting a proper reset. But it's never going to happen. Never going to happen. So what do I think is going to happen next? I don't think Amorim's a liar. I don't think Amorim is dishonest. I think he's always been honest, sometimes to his detriment, but I've always appreciated it.

26:57I think he is basically at the end of the road with his squad, and we're at the end of the transfer window. And I think he's looking at it going, I haven't had enough players. I'm still stuck with a lot of players. I saw it yesterday. In that second half against Grimsby, I was like, we're fighting for our lives to get back into this game against the League Two side. Imagine what happens when you're playing Tottenham. Imagine what happens when you're playing Crystal Palace. There won't be a way back. We're going to have a bad season. He knows he's going to have a bad season. And I think he's sort of putting his hand in the air and going, whoever's fault it is, I can't do this job.

27:40And that has to be resolved. Like there's people out there saying he won't quit. There's people out there saying he won't be sacked. Trust me, that is a manager basically saying, I can't do this job. Now, some people will call him a coward. Some people will call him whatever. That's just honest. That's honest. I've been in situations in my life, I try and find solutions. I'm sure you do as well. And solutions aren't always easy. You might be in a relationship. You might be in a friendship. You might be in a job. There might be a task in front of you. And sometimes you just go, I back myself. I thought I could do it.

28:19I can't make this work. And I think that's where he is. I don't think that's cowardly. I think it's honest. And he's always been honest. And look, if he can't do the job and I'm the boss and I sit him down in the international break and he says, I can't do this job, then I've got to part ways. I have to part ways. I have to appreciate the honesty and I have to part ways. And then I've got to look at myself and go, what the fuck have I done? And I'm looking at Sir Jim now and I'm going, mate, your first 18 months is the worst 18 months. I mean, the glazes are toxic. The glazes are bad. But this 18 months, I don't think it could get any worse.

29:01like you've brought a director of football in and sacked him you get 300 million pound pounds 10 you've sacked him you've changed the whole system of the football club and he's ready to walk how can it get any worse and yeah let's you know let's all blame it on amrin but i i absolutely know it's not on the manager it's on the players and it's on the on the owners like we've we've sold nobody it's the same set of players so what do i think is going to happen I think he's gone in the international break. I don't want him to go. I would love somebody in that football club to go, look, you're the guy, you're the guy, and we're going to back you.

29:40Forget the players. I'll deal with the players. Forget the media. Don't worry about that. The fans will back you. Just get back on track. And then I'm going into the training room and I'm going, look, you don't want to be here? Fuck off. we're going to, this is Manchester United. We're backing this manager and this is what we're going to do. And if you're not part of that, you're out the door. The trouble is we don't have the financial means to do that. I saw people today saying, bring back Sancho and Rashford and Anthony. And you just go, okay, we truly are lost. We're getting rid of Amrum to bring back Rashford and Sancho.

30:22Oh my God. So look, I hope he stays. because all that bringing a new manager will do is elongate the problem. I think a new manager will come in. The players will be good enough again. Every time you get a new manager, the players get a reset that they don't deserve. That's why Victor Lindelof was here for eight months, eight years. But I think there's a very big chance he'll go. Right, let me get your comments. Please do smash the like on the video and subscribe. I'm sure this is where it's going to get very, very interesting. I mean, look, ultimately, respect. I think that I actually just felt so fed up last night.

30:59Waking up, seeing Amram's comments made me feel better because I was actually like, whether he gets sacked or warped, I think he's had enough. And I appreciate the honesty. You know, I'd rather somebody put their hand in the air and say, a bit like Ranyik, you know, we got rid of Ranyik. He spoke the truth. If Amram goes, he still spoke the truth all the way. And look, if Amram goes, there's been some really good things that he's done. Gannac chose a shit house. You know, forcing that idiot out is a good thing. Rashford, look, I hope Rashford does well at Barcelona, but he, you know, he behaved badly.

31:36Sancho, absolute twat. You know, Anthony, spoiled on strike again. You know, he has exposed problems that needed to be exposed. The trouble is when it comes to outgoings, you can't just get rid of the, you know the problem people there was people who weren't good enough you know there might be three or four players that are really good personalities who were shit and i think we can think of those names as well so it was only a drop in the ocean but he was stepping in the right direction i think puny is a good signing i think abermo is a good signing i think dog is a good signing i hope sheshko is going to be a good signing so it's not like ten argh who got rid of the hair for an honor um i think he has made good signings and he has moved in the right direction in relation to getting tough on some players we've started that journey that would have to continue with the new manager the last thing you want to do is bring knobhead southgate in he basically gets the inflatables out in the pool at carrington and invites all the shitheads back and says let's all have a party you know i don't want that again i whether amrim goes or not i want a hardline manager that's going to come in and continue that because we're only just getting started and we have to continue down that road.

32:46PJ said that we're never going to fully back in with signings. Right, I'm going to get into your comments. Christian says, what is shocking is that we know Inanna is bad at crosses and shot stopping. How is this not the main focus in training? This is absolutely no progress. Christian, I think what you're doing there is a little bit like, let me just bring in what Phil Jones said, actually, because I'm going to, loads of people agreed with this. So Phil Jones said, in games of football like this, when you play lower league opposition, if you don't do the basics well, you're going to come unstuck when amram changed and put mason mount in that position they still went with the back five but they were building with the back five against squimsby who was sitting on the edge of their own box your spare man was in build-up when you need the spare man higher up the pitch to make an overload out wide or through the middle that guy was on sky sports watching the game apparently that's phil jones ex-shit united player who was part of many teams that were shit now sitting there watching a game of football with a pair of blindfolds on i mean what is he talking about basically phil jones is trying to have a pop at the manager and his system right i'm telling you now you might not like the system you're not you might prepare a back four we sacked ten hog playing a back four because the players couldn't play a back four so don't talk to me that if we go to a back four we're going to play well because the same players sacked the manager but don't talk to me about us playing a back five in the second half against grimsby and that we were using the spare man in the back five i watched the game we lost the game Grimsby deserved to win.

34:09Amarim's absolutely spot on. But DeLitt, who was the third centre-back, was basically playing as a right winger. And Ahmad, who was the right wing-back, was a winger. And down the left-hand side, DeLoe went left centre-back and basically became a left-back, and Mason Mount was playing as a left wing. We were not playing a back five in the second half, and we were not building up as a back five. So, you know, spin propaganda, pile on to the manager. We were playing a back five in the second half against Grimsby. Absolutely not. We were not. We were overloading. We were using centre-backs in the attack.

34:44And that happened for the whole 45 minutes. De Ligt was basically a striker at times. He was a right-sided centre-back. So let's not pretend that, you know, I mean, I don't know what game Phil Jones was watching, but let's get real. It's not about systems against Grimsby. It's about individuality. It's about the fact that they're on a way lower level than us. And our players just can't be arsed again. And that's what Amrim's saying after the game. and I don't need Amrim to say it. They're downing tools. He said it after the game. I think the players have sent a big message. They have. They'll turn up against Arsenal.

35:16And I think he said it after the game as well and he's spot on. It's funny how the system wasn't a problem against Arsenal, isn't it? There was nothing wrong with the system against Arsenal. The system was absolutely fine against Arsenal. There's no Phil Jones or anybody else going on about the system or the formation against Arsenal. But against Grimsby, it's the problem. And it's not. It's the players. 100%. You do not need system and tactics to play well against Grimsby when you're on 300 grand a week. Individuality should be outshining them, but it can't because they're shit. What is shocking is that we know and aren't done that one.

35:57Say he does walk, will we be under an NDA like others have been after sacking? yes mike yeah i mean he's not gonna go and do a big interview um the biggest kindness amram could give this sinking ship is to walk away and expose the rot if we sack him and think that's the solution we'll end up forgotten giant for many years to come says one inch wonder are the yearly panic buys about to land says visco i mean there is a positive route out of this um I will do the devil's advocate. There is a positive route out of this. It's the path less trodden and it's the minority path. You go and buy a top goalkeeper and a top midfielder and you properly back the manager and you beat Burnley and you start to build the season and you just go at the end of the day, we've lost games in the Carabao Cup before.

36:51We can still do well in the league. You can do that. I don't know whether we have the money to do that i mean it's what i would do i would i would use these four days to get a top goalkeeper and a top midfielder and truly back this manager and say look we're sorry we haven't done what needed to be done it's been a challenging summer transfer window we 100 back you here's the two players that you need we're manchester united we're we're riddled with debt we haven't sold anybody and there's only four days left in the window the chances of that happening are slim player power united fc says rim i mean i'm surprised by the players actually you know i am surprised by the players because they evidently did down tools yesterday and i'm not going to name individuals because sometimes you know i'm not it's not like the players about a chat and said let's sack the manager when i say down tools it's not necessarily no let's get rid of him let's get rid of him i think what it is is just drop off by five percent he can't be arsed i can't be arsed my concentration drops uh you know they're not focused they're not motivated and i think downing tools we've seen in the past where players have gone right we need to get this manager out i'm not saying that's what they're doing but they've definitely dropped levels can't be arsed fc basically um lunath makes a great point the players don't even respect each other how can you respect an honor after all this would amad listen to mcguire for it amram can't force respect it's down to recruitment like others i think one player that really represents the problem at man united is the low i'm not for one minute saying he's good but he never doesn't put a shift in and I saw him a couple of times last night.

38:24And basically what he did, he was furious. There was one point where the cross came to him on the edge of the box and he had to head it out for a corner. And I remember it vividly on the watch line. I said, what the fucking hell is Deleuwe doing heading that out for a corner? But then you watch Deleuwe afterwards and he's looking at Inanna going like, what the fuck? And then Deleuwe, Inanna walks towards him to give him a fist pump. And Deleuwe sort of like half-heartedly does it. And you think, you know what? Deleuwe is not the problem in the sense that he will have the right mentality, the right effort levels, but his game drops as he becomes frustrated and disillusioned and lacking confidence.

38:58And there are a number of players at United, and I'd say Mainu's one of them, you know, Yoro can be one of them, Dorgu's one of them, Kunio and Mbremo will be one of them. There are players in that football club who actually would be fine. Like, I'm not saying they'd be starters, but they've got the right mentality, but you can visibly see their game dropping off as they look around them and go, the fuck are they doing on this team? You know, why are they doing that? And the confidence drops and their performance drops. And I think Deleu, I'm not saying Deleu is good enough, but I know he's got the right attitude, but you can just see the reigning from them as they look around.

39:35And the goalkeeper is a great point. Gary Neville said it last week. You've been saying it for years. I saw it last season with Yoro. Like that goalkeeper terrifies them and drops their confidence. And football is confidence. uh Cormac says I feel sorry for Amarin but this is like watching shite turn white 100 % we've always been 4-4-2-4-2-3-1 in big games it's all arse now project 58 says Cormac we had a better midfield with McFred instead of upgrading we keep slipping all the fans who wanted David out need hard look at themselves I don't blame any of you you know I've seen people saying Beth wanted an honor and this that and the other and that Beth wasn't the only one I there'll be stuff I wanted that didn't work out.

40:14Maybe we should have kept McTominay, whatever. I don't blame any of you. We're not sat in the boardroom. We'd do a better job if we were. The decisions that are made are made by the people in charge. That's why we are where we are. Whether you want Amrim or not, whether Ten Hag should have been sacked or not, whether Inanna should have been bought or not, the board make those decisions. You're not responsible. You probably care more than they do. Sir Jim Radcliffe is meant to be a lifelong Manchester United fan. I don't believe it. I'd love a chat with Sir Jim and I'd love to talk about the 90s and the noughties and him to tell me about the 70s and we'll bring Ricky in and Ricky can verify it.

40:52I do not believe he's a lifelong Man United fan. I don't. I think he's a fair weather fan. I don't think he's a lifelong Man United fan because if he was, if I owned something and I had an honouring goal, it wouldn't be happening. If I owned something, I would have a midfielder. He doesn't act like somebody that's a real fan in the sense of his understanding of the football club and what's required. I think he's the sort of guy who turns up to a party and goes, I'm a Man United fan. Oh, it was great when we won the league in 99. You know, I don't think there's a detail. Look, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm being unfair.

41:26But in 18 months, he's shown no evidence in his actions that he's actually, you know, an educated Man United fan. Because he doesn't make the decisions that you would make. Whether you like this community or other community or whatever, I pretty much know I could dip into a fanzine or X and most of us would think the same things that are core things. I don't mind about niche things like, you know, whether we need a centre-back, but we do need a midfielder and we do need a goalkeeper. He's in charge. As a Man United fan, he's been watching the club more than all of us. He should know more than all of us and he doesn't behave like it.

42:04All the Amory Mouters couldn't wait for this, says Alex. My only issue with the Amarim out brigade is this. You're screaming and shouting for a new manager. Tell me what's going to be any better. That's my thing. I've seen it. I've seen the clips. I've seen the headlines. Get Amarim out today. Amarim's got to go. Okay, here we go. I'm not going to call you a moron. I'm not going to call you an idiot. I'm sure you're going to call me stuff because I'm backing the manager. All I'm going to say is, if we sack Amirim today and we bring a new manager in tomorrow, what's going to change? Because fundamentally, the new manager cannot sell players.

42:44The board has to do that and they don't do it. So basically, Ten Hag came into Man United with a great European reputation destroyed by this football club. Amirim came into this football club with a great European reputation destroyed by this football club. Rangnick, the same. Jose, the same. Van Gaal, the same. This is a graveyard for managers because when you go into, you know, I read somebody on our comment section. I will get through your comments. Don't worry, even if it means staying a little bit late. I read on the comment section last night, somebody said, Mark, all these excuses for Amrim, which is funny because I didn't make any excuses on the show last night, but whatever.

43:26All these excuses for Amrim, Arna Slott can walk into Liverpool and get the players playing well. I'm like, oh my God, what the hell? I mean, this is exactly like, you know, your next door neighbour is married to a beautiful woman and he tells you everything that goes on. And then you, you know, you didn't make the best choice in your marriage. And then you go into the kitchen and you go, she does this every night. Talking about cooking, you know, look at her. She can speak Spanish. You can't even grasp English. And she could say, I'm not her. He's not you. What has Arna Slott at Liverpool got to do with Ruben Amrim?

44:10I could write a book on why Liverpool is a better football club than Manchester United. I could write a book on why Arna Slott's been more successful than Amrim at Manchester United. But fundamentally, it comes down to those three things again. Players, manager, owners. Better players, better squad, better mentality at Liverpool, better owners, better running of the club at Liverpool, and a manager that came in and before he signed his contract knew what he's walking into. Those three fundamentals are absolutely essential. And at United, you don't have it. You can't compare Man United to Spurs, Villa, liverpool or any other football club because we're a mess from top to bottom plenty of other teams use the same formation these are elite athletes and they should be able to adapt to different formation just a poor excuse uh nick i think when you look at uh ricky said this to me yesterday there's nothing wrong with the formation it worked at chelsea but they have matich and kante we've got bruno and casemiro mike drop ricky mike drop ricky absolutely spot on there's nothing wrong with this system if you've got the two midfielders that are absolutely made for the system.

45:25I think Enzo Fernandes and Caicedo in this system would be brilliant. I think Declan Rice and Zubamendi in this system would be brilliant. I think Alexi McAster and Gravenberg in this system would be brilliant. I think Joel Linton and Tonali in this system, or put Bruno G in for one of them, would be brilliant. There's nothing wrong with this system. I can absolutely see it working if you've got the right midfield too we've got a guy who's partially retired in casemiro we've got a guy who's a number 10 a kid and a and another guy who's lost all confidence in agato would you now start to panic buy belaber and offer 110 to daniel i don't think i would panic buy and spend 110 110 on belaber i'd try and buy two people 50 honest i would i'd try and get yulman and i don't know stiller or something like that i wouldn't one player is probably not going to change it you know knowing united's look we go and get belabor he breaks his leg and he's out for six months this isn't about the manager in the system it's about quality of player we had decent window but we need three more good windows i think in relation to the transfer window tom you do raise a good point the transfer window is still open um i just remind you lot coming into this summer transfer window minimum was five in and five out we've got three in and none out so you know regardless of how much you want to blame players owners manager ultimately that is a very relevant point this team needed at least five first team players brought in we've brought three in um it's never going to be enough in a league like this heard a good quote online arguments for amrim are based on hypotheticals arguments against them are based on fact um i don't i don't i don't think it's a good argument so basically backing amram is based on hypotheticals whereas against him are based on fact well no i i think it's a terrible take angel because you're basically making i think fundamentally you make a good point because basically your argument is based on it being Amorim the problem.

47:32I think if you're somebody that thinks Amorim's the problem, you're wrong. So, you know, I think Amorim may not be our manager in three weeks. So I'm not saying this from a desperation of, oh, hope he's going to survive this, that, and the other. I think there's a very big chance he'll go. But regardless of whether he goes or not, he wasn't the problem. He's not responsible. The problems will still be here when Amorim goes. And I would put it like this. When Jose left, did it get better? When Oli left, did it ultimately get better? When Tan Haag left, has it ultimately got better? When Ranyik left, did it get better?

48:10It always gets worse. As I say, use the power of three, manager, players, owners. We always change the manager. We never change the players or the owners. And yet the problem still remains. Do you think, look, at the end of the day, if there's been a murder and there's three suspects in the room and you keep getting rid of the same suspect, but the murders keep happening, you haven't caught the killer. And we keep getting rid of the innocent person and the killer keeps surviving. And then we keep moaning when there's more murders. So Jim has to open the checkbook and help Amrim, so Alex, do you think we will spend...

48:50And I'm not saying that the manager doesn't supply the weapon. I'm not saying that the manager didn't know the murder was going to happen but did they commit the murder no do you think we will spend heavy in these last few days i hope we do edward but honestly you know what the flip side to the positivity they could go and spend some money and back this manager i hope that happens flip side if they know amory's going you wouldn't put a pat you wouldn't spend a penny so the next four days are going to be very interesting you know you're sacking this manager or he's going to walk you don't spend a penny because you know you're going to need to give the new manager money i mean who who walks into this job by the way apart from gareth southgate who would bloody swim to manchester and let me remind you he probably lives in rural england and there is no sea he'll swim up the m6 banging his elbows crawl um front crawl up the m6 um i can't see anybody taking this job of any notes because it'll be a firefighter be a firefighter and look southgate probably would put us in the top eight but fucking hell i'm just southgate out from day one it'd be great content um when you i don't think they'd go for southgate by the way i think that was dan ashwood uh when you say play a clear out ganacho sancho anthony rashford gone or erasmus almost gone with an honor main you're likely to lose who else do you want sannell if you think that's a clear out shame on you um ganacho sancho anthony rashford didn't really play less seat last season apart from ganacho rasmus is being forced out by the club fact um and anana is a shit goalkeeper and main who's not for sale like when i talk about a clear out i'm talking right you want to clear out This is my clear out.

50:40Beinda, Inanna, Deleu.

50:46Maguire, Shaw.

50:52Agate, Casemiro, Bruno. I mean, I'm up to eight already and I'm probably missing players out. And in the attack, I'm probably okay with the attack. But, like, the attack's fine. The number 10s are fine. And the strikers, well, probably we need a striker if we're going to sell Rasmus. But the midfields, you know, the midfield, Bruno, Agate, Casemiro are clearly going to need to go. And Amrim didn't buy any of these players, by the way. There's a huge amount of players that need to go. I mean, look, I don't want to mention Ahmad. He was shit last night. But what's Ahmad's role in this team now? Because he ain't a right wing back.

51:33He's referring to second choice players who are sending messages that they won't play for him when needed. if he benches them we all know who they are says guardian what the hell are you the alphys is relegation one out of ten on the transfer window seven weeks for a measly five million can't make deals in parallel three signings when six were needed before preseason we need a whole new squad says bruno uh we're the ultimate definition of insanity says nick look i understand why certain united fans are screaming and shouting amory mount i mean you know they're that they're not willing to have a proper conversation because it might be too complex for them.

52:12It's easier to scream and shout, let's change the manager. But as I said, the running theme for me is I'm quite relaxed about that. I'm not panicked about Amrim leaving. I don't want him to go, but I'm not panicking about it because it's not like we haven't sacked a million other managers. So I'm quite relaxed about what's going to happen. But in a moment of clarity, which we're having right now, you know, the media are going to scream Amorim out. They're going to go for him. You know, they've got papers to sell, no beds, but they won't have the conversation about this. Like the intelligent conversation is, give me Xavi, give me half a billion and get rid of 10 players.

52:51Let's talk. Give me Xavi, work with this shit and you haven't got any money. What's the point you know give me amarin give him half a billion build the system and get rid of a load of shit let's talk give me amarin don't give him players and don't sell players we're going to end up where we are so whatever's going to happen you're just putting a plaster on a wound you are everything's just a plaster on a wound the important the the the problem with that wound is it will infect. Clean it out, put a plaster on it, it's going to infect. And the infect is the media and the people in our fan base who thrive on open wounds.

53:33And they infect it. And then it becomes toxic and poisonous. They will never get destroyed until we seal the wound and stop the infection. And stopping the infection and sealing the wound removes the shit players and backs the manager in a proper way there's still loads of poison in that football club unfortunately i would honestly love ruben to walk embarrass inios and the glazers they honestly deserve it says bradley i think that's a story we need to tell if it happens and it can't be covered up i hear what you're saying but it's different this time this squad is much better than what previous managers had so he should now be getting a tune gee i disagree i don't think the squad's any better we've still got the same team from the europa league with three new players how can the squad be better the Europa League final was an embarrassment mentality wise an absolute embarrassment we've brought Kunja Emberno and Seshko in two of two of which were brought in ridiculously late and aren't match fit Emberno's not match fit yet and Seshko certainly isn't match fit so we've got two unfit players and Kunja we've sold nobody and you're telling me it's a good squad on paper it's a great squad it really is a great squad but in reality it's one week on one week off only option is big sam says tyler maguire is captain united close to winning the league says red army look in relation to bruno fernandez we're better with him that's that's non-negotiable we're a better team with bruno in it but we're not disciplined he's not disciplined and i think that reflects in the dressing room i've got a mate of mine who's a liverpool fan who messaged me this morning and he said you know your problem is bruno fernandez like how can people follow a player that's so indisciplined and petulant how can he be the leader of the team when his whole game is basically erratic and i thought you know what i know he's a liverpool fan shout out neil but um he might be onto something there you know how can you be led by a guy that's erratic and indisciplined and petulant um what you actually need is confidence control and discipline which is what Roy Keane used to give um and you're never gonna find Aquino again but look Bruno Fernandes is basically off to Saudi in a year how can you build a team around that how can you build a team like that we're a better team with Bruno in it we saw that in the second half but the opportunity was to change it it's too late now you know if Bruno had gone in June and you had a whole pre-season without him the team could have got used to it without him now now we are where we are I wish we could send this energy to in the us and make them know they have just as much blame as anyone i like amram outside football he has all the minerals but i consistently enjoy watching the football i don't enjoy it no to xavi says hayder apart from moise no manager is deserved to be sacked clearly shows the actual issue at man united says huge lad do you want man united to play a back format if amram goes we'll go back to a back four um ten hard got sacked with the back four so i don't think it's a I don't think it's a formational thing um but if Amren went we would go back to a back four I would imagine that look De Ligt and Yoro could play as a back two 100 percent you've got Dorgou left back you've got Deleu and Masraoui right back you'd have a midfield it'd be a problem again like it doesn't matter whether it's a 3-4-3 or a 4-4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 your midfield three is still going to have to be two of Casemiro, Meynou and Agate you'd probably play cunyre as your 10 you'd play seshko as your striker you put in burma on the right and probably don't have a left winger should we bring rashford back i don't know what has happened is having a manager walk if that happens there is literally no hiding place for the players or the board the focus would be 100 on them and that might actually rock bottom says patrick conte would soon sort these players out as token i mean it's mad about conte isn't it i remember wanting Conte and I can't remember who it was.

57:32There was loads of people in the media saying Man United can't have a manager like Conte. I'd love a manager like Conte. I don't want to replace Amriem. I'm just saying if he walks. He won't leave Napoli though. If Ruben goes, then who would want to join? Poison, says Ben. Before people hop on the Xavi in movement, let's remember Barca fans turned him and chased him out for being the Spanish Oli, says Wuzi. Majority of ex-managers perform after leaving, says Fraz. We can't avoid open heart surgery. I think there's a great point there as well. So many players leave Manchester United and perform well.

58:03So many managers leave Manchester United and perform well. Rangnick's done well at Austria. Oli's doing well in Besiktas. I think Ten Hag ultimately will do well at Leverkusen and Amrim will still have a career elsewhere. But players do that as well. And the toxic environment at Manchester United, look, I don't want to say these things, but unfortunately they are true. The situation at United behind the scenes is horrific. Like we did sack half our workforce. People are still wheeling from that. It is not a happy place. And, you know, the Carrington lick of paint may be very positive and it looks very nice, but it is just a plaster on an open wound.

58:45Even behind the scenes, things are not great. Relationships are not perfect. there is a lot going on at that football club the glazes created this mess players burn down tools when they know they will outlast any coach we need to cancel a few contracts by carcel it will send shockwaves in that dressing room it's interesting you say that because beth's back from holiday and uh she basically said this to me um she said um i mean i don't get your mind me saying is because not talking about her holiday she said um um she said they should she said i think amram's under huge pressure because of the champions league football and we look nowhere near it um they should stick by him like arsenal did with arteta show the players there's no way he's sacked so there's no point downing tools yeah i i completely agree with that um what does it mean when Amirim says players speak loud, says Ahmed.

59:39I mean, it means what you want it to mean. I mean, it means they down took. It means they're not good enough. You know, it means a lot of things. Reuben's body language is a big problem. Slouching down, pain on his face, face between his knees, refusing to watch the penalties. He needs to stand up and pump his chest out. The bad energy is spreading through the squad and the fan base, says Chip. Yeah, but don't you think it's honest? Did you watch them watch along yesterday? You know, I'm sure you were all doing what Amirim's doing. like if I'm the manager of that team stood on the side I've got to be honest I can lie I can front up and go come on lads or I can be like what fuck is going on you know how are we in this position against Grimsby I don't have a problem with his body language it's the truth he came out and backed it up he basically gave a speech that reads like he might quit so I don't have a problem with his body language of course people are going to go in on him but it's just honesty and to be honest with you if i'd have been on that touchline i would have been watching an honor laughing my fucking head off at how shit he was i would have been saying grimsby with a better better team and not understanding why he's then followed up his behavior on the touchline by being honest and basically saying you know this job's fucking difficult you know an honor has cost us too many times we desperately need a goalkeeper says sean three games into the season most of us already after amram's head please give him a few more games till we surely know that he isn't who we need says aledia most of the players are ten hog ollie and jose players is cabin amrim out the chat needs to be checked for autism says mr yay uh mark it's shocking last night uh was a disgrace in with an honor we should have beat grimsby off the park amrim had a shocking list he got none of it says bounty hunter remember what matic said last season about an honor time for you to taste some humble pie and admit we should have got southgate says mark i think you should switch to 433 just to show those asking for it that these players can't play that system either bear merchant in a way it would be funny but you shouldn't have to um go to a 343 to show everybody that it was only a year ago that we played a 433 and it didn't work so no we shouldn't be doing that um some people have very short memories um essentially like the 433 argument i can't get on the mainstream i'm not necessarily sure i want to get on the mainstream but i would love to get at some of these people who go system 433 i'd love to sit there and just go you know player x player a slagging off man united's formation i'd love to just sit there and go can i speak yes um just to you slagging off the formation in the system can you just tell me what formation and system we played a year ago 433 uh what was the manager's name eric tenhawk what happened to the manager he got sacked why did he get sacked because the results weren't good enough remind me the four name formation again 433 what formation do you want us to play 433 so the manager who played 433 and bought all these players for the 433 433 got sacked you now want this manager who doesn't play 433 to go back to a 433 that got sacked for the previous manager and you want him to play a system he doesn't play yeah i'll leave it there um that's the explanation on why we can't play a 4-3-3 under amring um if you want to play a 4-3-3 sack the manager try a new manager that plays 4-3-3 but the problem is when that doesn't work you've just sacked another manager um thank you free immortal um we can't avoid open heart surgery says nozzy majority of ex-managers perform after leaving says fraz uh people before people hop on i've done that i think i've caught up on a lot of these now let me just whiz through here to deliver copium i just need your signatures is michael manager body language should never show surrender says danny i don't agree with that danny um i think that's uh a dictatorship uh i think i think that's like saying uh a man or woman that's struggling with mental health should keep it bottled in you know men shouldn't cry um you know bullshit bullshit you know i don't agree with that i think it's i think it's just an excuse to go in on amram i've got no problem with honesty you know if amram is struggling to watch penalties because he's in despair be honest like i ain't got a problem with it um if a manager comes out and says that those players were shit and grimsby were better be honest i couldn't stand it when and Ollie would come out and tow the Glazer line.

1:04:16So I don't got a problem with it. Sacking the manager in the past may have been a mistake, but it doesn't mean it's the wrong decision this time. I think he gets as relegated as Joseph.

1:04:32I'm trying to think. I mean, look, I ain't got a problem with what you said, Joseph, there. I mean, just because we've sacked every other manager doesn't mean that we shouldn't sack this manager, I agree. But at what point are you going to start blaming the owners and the players? at what point are we not going to sack a manager and try and work through it the you know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again uh players have to take responsibility you should be able to play managerless and win a game like that says geordie absolutely i don't think tactics or formation come into it you know you could send the ledman players to grimsby and expect them to win on their own they can't frank welcome to members club good morning mark the people talking about the system make me think crystal palace are playing another system while beating clubs like liverpool and city says frank um i read about match fixing in football that team yesterday should be investigators of dj no i'd never accuse man united of or an honor of match fixing not because i could get sued for it but because no they just are that shit a good midfield is essential if you want to be anywhere near top six as ramash i mean i don't know how many people are watching and how many people have left or coming in new but give me caseido and enzo fernandez and that system works give me mccallister and Gravenberg and that system works.

1:05:42Give me Rice and Zabimandi and that system works. Give me Casemiro and Bruno and Brentford will get relegated. It's a very interesting thing. You put Brentford, you give Crystal Palace, you take away Wharton and whoever else plays next to him at Palace and you give them Bruno and Casemiro and watch Palace drop down the league. You put Bruno and Casemiro in Newcastle's midfield and watch them plummet down the league. You put Casemiro and Bruno in Liverpool's midfield and you watch them plummet down the league. You put Casemiro and Bruno in Arsenal's midfield and the only thing that's selling that club is our Teta out t-shirts.

1:06:26Too many people don't look at the players as the symptom. It's really easy to say, put this player in our midfield and we'll be better. put our midfield into some of the best teams in the premier league and tell me that they're not going to drop down the league they will you need to stop with this toxic positivity you always back managers blindly and call people fake fans then you end up being the manager anyway okay sls sorry it's a super chat but it is rage bait right i'm not toxically positive uh i haven't blindly backed managers and i haven't called people fake fans for wanting amram out so i don't know what you're talking about um i haven't got a problem if you're hammering out i don't agree with you but i haven't got a problem with it um and i'm quite relaxed whether he gets sacked or he walks my question to you to throw a question back to you being as you've asked the question to me is what's going to change when we bring a new manager in because all you seem to be selling is sacking a manager and all i'm telling you is that every manager that's been sacked has to work with the previous managers players and basically has to polish a turd people talk why this system has never worked in football history poor performance but the main cause was an honor says add and amram picked an honor amram has to take responsibility amram kept bruno amram has to take responsibilities not without blame he's not flawless he's not perfect but he's also not been given a goalkeeper and a midfielder he's also not been given enough time and there are also huge problems around him in the playing squad and the ownership exactly get rid of the players who were here before ten hog they're poisoned says adge uh and there is nothing they can do about it i don't know whether they're the problem but there are certain players who i would be looking at any player that's been here longer than three years and say you've got to go you've got to go yeah casemiro you've got to go maguire at the end of the season luke shaw's got to go delo's got to go you know you you've got to clear it out to have a reset and sometimes you know i remember working at a place once and um there was about eight of us that were that were basically got rid of straight away under new ownership uh you know i deserve to go i was lazy i used to just sit there reading film scripts i didn't care but there was two people who didn't deserve to go but the new ownership came in and went look we need to get rid of this section it's not working so there is no jobs um you you can't walk into a room that's full of shit and say let's disinfect and clean this this area but we'll leave that corner because it's still going to stink and it's still going to have shit in it a proper reset is cleansing the whole lot and we we we don't even start to remove the shit do we um sar and belabor fix our midfields it's dawn start you need and and in fairness to he did say this in the um on us tour the reason he mentioned intensity in amit field is because you need two players with ridiculous intensity and he hasn't got one time for big sam to save us says timmy the problem is not the manager it's the players says if you predicted us to win the league cup says robert gormack may seriously like seriously he's only just entered my head and Robert's always the one who seems to come in and create these moments.

1:09:52I was like, what am I going to do this year with my weeknights? I mean, obviously, we'll still have the 8 o 'clock show, but basically, guaranteed, until Christmas, Man United aren't playing midweek. Unless there's a Premier League midweek fixture, which I think there is in December, we don't play midweek anymore. there was probably three or four opportunities between now and christmas for us to play carabao cup i think it's three i think there's one in september one in october and one in november gone no european football no carabao football we're basically a weekend team it's it's i don't i don't know how much money you lose for not being in the carabao cup i mean i don't think it's massive for United but it's still gate receipts it's still revenue like it's there is a financial cost to last night we only need we don't only need a midfielder but also wingbacks says Iceman I agree with you I think the right wingback is a massive issue at the beginning Sir Alex was on the brink of sacking Man United stuck with him we have to do the same and stick with Amarin says Daniel yeah but most people aren't old enough to remember that unfortunately and it's a different time Daniel bench all the old players play academy players with new signings it'll be way better, Sasanjit.

1:11:08Amrim has 100 % made mistakes, but we can't keep blaming the manager when the players are on the pitch, don't have the quality to play good football, says Conor. I'll tell you what my big problem is. If Amrim walks, there's nothing you can do about it. If Amrim sacks, there are a multitude of things I would not be happy about, but one of them would be this. How the fuck can you sack a manager? I mean, it's a bit like what happened with Ten Hag and Yoro, but on a bigger scale. How can you sack a manager whose new signings literally haven't settled. Like, Mbermo's not even match fit yet. Shesko's not match fit yet.

1:11:41And Kunja, you know, is still settling into a big club. Like, who's to say in a month's time, those three players aren't going to be better. I think they will be better. I stand by what I said. I don't think United's season starts properly until game 10. We've got four of the top four teams in England in our first 10 games. It was always going to be a bit of a roller coaster. I think last night's done a lot of damage. You know, if we weren't in the Carabao Cup last night, then it never would have happened. And we beat Burnley on Saturday. You know, win one, lose one, draw one. You know, we're in a much better position.

1:12:18The problem is Amram looks defeated. That's the problem this morning. If it can't get worse, Wilcox might hire City under 23 coach, says VK. Can we even spend without any outgoings, says Callum. United blindly back managers call people that want them out, fake fans then end up as sos again we'll ignore him maybe long-term success is coming ten hog olive and this roy interim look good immediately ended up bad sir alex looked bad so to start so does rubens is george uh i mean look i i'd love to be on the right side of history in backing amrim and believing in amrim i'd love that to happen there's certain arston fans that did that and look at what's happened with Arteta so you know it can happen um but the most important people are actually not us I I think the fans can keep Amram in a job but the most important people are going to be the players and do you trust the players I would say to any manager at Manchester United if they wanted a bit of advice you can't trust those players you need to get rid of them and it's not just ganacho rashford sancho anthony like there's players in that team who are wolf in sheep clothing you know that they're not reliable you need to get rid of them and unfortunately i think he's using a lot of them what tactics formation can these players actually play they can't they they can't that's the thing rohit they can't it's not about tactics and system with these players they just can't play consistently well they can turn up at the etihad and play like it's a cup final and then they'll turn up against grimsby and play like the pissed like it's a consistency mentality problem it's not even an ability problem they just can't play consistently good football they don't have the mental makeup they've been you know i don't know what it is uh arshan says same same people said jose out ollie out ralph out ten hog out saying am i'm out open your eyes it's not the manager since 2017 until now name 10 deadwood removed yeah all of them ran their contracts down and left.

1:14:21It's not Ruben, it's Deadwood. I think this is a great point by Arsha. Name me players that have been removed since Jose left for money. Name me five players that have been removed because we didn't want them anymore. They haven't. Even De Gea is contracted run down. We don't remove players. And then go to Liverpool, and then go to Arsenal, and then go to Man City, and you'll start building a massive list of players that were moved out. I mean, look at Man City, Jesus, Cancelo, Zinchenko. There's just so many players that Pep moves on. Edison's going to go this summer as well. De Bruyne has gone.

1:15:00Whether you agree with them or not, they get rid of players for money because he wants to move them on to make his team better. At United, we don't move them on. We let their contracts run down, but we keep them. We don't move players on. whoever the manager is that has to be the overriding point here if you accumulate shit you will be shit um i remember using this analogy when ollie came in i said ollie's got a really difficult job because he comes into the team and if he can't remove players he walks into carrington he says what's that smell and then somebody says oh it's the pile of shit the other managers have bought and he says well we need to get rid of that shit can i have a look at it and And he walks around the corner and he sees this big pile of shit with loads of flies flying around it.

1:15:48And he goes, that's really old shit at the bottom. It's not even fresh. And he went, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's some of Moyes' shit. Then it's Van Gaal's shit. And then it's Jose's shit on the top. And he's like, am I supposed to perform when I've still got Moyes' shit here? He got sacked two managers ago. And then Ten Hag walks in and he's still got Van Gaal's shit, Jose's shit, Oli's shit. And now Amrim walks in and he's still got Van Hals, Jose's, Ollie's and Ten Hag's. And the next guy will walk in and amazingly, we will still have a bit of Van Hals shit, a bit of Jose's shit, a bit of Ollie's shit, a bit of Ten Hag's shit and a load of Amrim shit.

1:16:27So the next manager's job will be even harder because he'll have five shades of shit. And that's, I remember saying this when Ollie came in, it's like people don't realize that when Ollie came in, there was still a bit of more shit here. next manager is going to come in and have five shades of shit it's incredible i don't think there's another club in the premier league that you could look at their squad and go there's shit players from five managers i mean there will be squads in the premier league that have got managers four or five years ago but have got good players we we carry the shit signings from van haal etc it's mad it's the fundamental biggest thing that you've mentioned over the years on this channel every year we've got to clear out the shit and we don't do it and then we wonder why look if you've got a stinky piece of shit wandering around carrington that's going to affect every new player because they're going to go fucking out and we don't get rid of it amram should cave in play 4-2-3-1 for the next 10 games watch us pick up one win and a draw drop the mic and walk away says one inch wonder uh at cash says mixture of youth and experience is needed in the midfield with Bruno and Casemiro going in a year.

1:17:38We need two Premier League proven midfielders aged 24 to 28. Would like to mention Arteta took four years. Pep had two trope this season. Klopp took three to four years. Please back Amorim. His system will work. He needs time. So this is player development. Sack a manager. Give him signing of last manager. Talk him about him getting his choice of player rest of the season. Next season, sign his players and sack him. Since Vandit. How poetic would it have been if Anana had missed the penalty? i actually wanted him to don i didn't want envermo to be the guy do you have inside info can actually is a huge problem i remember you said from what you know taking 35 million isn't actually a great chelsea can deal with him since mitesh i ain't saying anything until he's gone but he's to go i feel lost after that there is so much wrong says mitch okay well we've had nearly 30 000 people watching this video uh which is incredible we've got nearly 5 000 likes please do smash a like on the video and subscribe uh eight o 'clock show tonight of course beth is back at two and we've got ben jacobs on the show at two so we we can wander into transfers and find out if anything's going to happen in the last few days uh beth will also be giving her opinion she's been on holiday for a week so look let's see what united do we're either going to go and do something in the transfer week window to back this manager or we'll do nothing because we're going to remove this manager it's going to be very interesting um what i'm encouraged by is that every one of your conversations today has been constructive whether it's amrin needs to go or amrin needs to stay funnily enough i'm actually pleasantly surprised that most of you are not really that bothered about whether the manager goes or stays the focus is on players owners and nothing will change regardless of the manager going or staying which i think is a very intelligent thing and way to be a morning accurate game so i applaud you on that i really thought this was going to end up a massive amram in amram out show which i just don't think's the conversation if amram goes he goes if he stays he stays but the problem is not the manager either way it's not the manager it's not it's much bigger than that so fair play for you lot for having a grown-up conversation you never failed to surprise me so thank you very much for joining us this morning please do subscribe amazing community and i'm sure it'll be a great eight o 'clock show tonight i'm looking forward to what ben and beth have got to say at two o 'clock and whether there is anything on amrim that sounded very bad last night i wouldn't be surprised if there is a parting of the ways let's wait and see take care