169: BREAKING! Mainoo WANTS Out!

0:02Hello, everybody. Good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United news and transfer news as things hit a new low. You feel like saying not again, don't you? Kobi Maynou wants out of Manchester United. This was breaking news last night. Ornstein and Romano, the double act confirming that Maynou wants out. He wants to go on loan. He doesn't want to leave the project, but he wants to play football. He wants to go on loan. There's loads of things to get into on that. And to be honest, I really want to get your opinion on it because it's your opinion that matters.

0:37It's so multilayered in the sense of should players be putting public stuff like this out? I don't like it. I like Maynou. I don't like this. Publicly putting it out there is done to put pressure on the club, destabilise the club for your own benefit. the flip side of that is where's the pathway to the first team should he be in the first team should we assault Bruno and got 100 million quid and get you know played Maynard in the labor there's there's lots you can talk about but ultimately I think problems at Man United continue I also suspect there might be a more sinister background to this I'm not actually totally convinced anymore that Man United wouldn't sell him um and look I think I want to get your thoughts on it um you know uh Maynard wants to wants to go out on loan he doesn't want to leave it's not a transfer request it's not what people were saying but he wants out and I just think it's pontificating publicly which we need to stop at this football club and I can't be inconsistent and say because I like Kabi Manu it's fine but because I don't like Anthony it's not and when I say I don't like I mean as a player ultimately Manchester United are the only football club that plays things out publicly I know Newcastle have had it with Isaac but Newcastle Isaac's one of the best players in the world who wants to go and play for Liverpool why are Man United players all the time playing a public game with this football club it's just i blame the way the club is being run it doesn't happen at other clubs um even trent when he was running his contact contract down to go to real madrid and we all knew he was going to go there it wasn't publicly say slagging the club off to make it feel like it was the right thing to do so i'm not happy about it but before we get into anything else there's quite a few other bits to get into developments around anthony we had the ganacho lose last night i just want to say hello hello and welcome to the united stand.

2:19I just want to say hello, because I think what we do really well here is you get a media that we don't trust. And I'm not saying I don't trust David Ornstein and Fabrizio Romano. They are the two best. They will have been briefed. They will know that Maynard wants to go on loan, and I accept that. But then there's the next layer of journalism, which is basically speculation, opinion, and agenda. What I like about what we do here is that we delve beyond the story. So what I feel this morning is distracted. And I think this is the biggest news. I think this is the breaking news. I think this is the real news.

2:53We are being distracted by a player that's not going anywhere. He will end up being like a new signing because he's going to stay, but was never going anywhere anyway. And his name is Kofi Manik. He was never going anywhere. And what are we doing in the last three days of the transfer window that are absolutely essential to our season? We need a goalkeeper. we need a midfielder and we're talking about a midfielder that's not going to go anywhere. That's what Man United are doing in the transfer window, talking about Kobe Maynou and whether he's going to stay or go. Spurs have just gone and bought Xavi Simons.

3:29Newcastle have just gone and bought Nick Valtameda. Man United are in a story about Maynou again. All week it's been about Maynou who's a current Man United player who's not going anywhere if we don't want him to. that's what man united are doing in the final days of the transfer window and at the start of the season when we spoke about could we maybe finish fifth i'm telling you now my prediction of fifth i want to reassess it i just i'm not being sensationalist i want to reassess it i want to put us down to seventh because if the top four are chelsea liverpool arsenal man city Newcastle and Spurs are fifth and sixth 100 100 like they're better than us and they're buying better than us they're better than us and they're active in the final days of the window so just be careful of smoke screens this Maynou story actually benefits the United transfer policy because they don't need to let Maynou go they can let the story be Maynou they can sit there and go at eight o 'clock on Monday night.

4:33This story's dead. The transfer window's dead and we've got away with it. We're not doing anything in the window. Spurs and Newcastle are, correct me if I'm wrong, but they're our competitors for fifth place. It's a sham. It's a shame. It's a sham. All we're talking about is where Manu's going to go, how long the manager's going to last. There's a bloody transfer window right in front of us. And I don't care whether Manu goes or Amrim gets sacked. We still need a midfielder and a goalkeeper. So why are we talking about Amrin being sacked or whether Manu's staying, because we can talk about that on bloody Tuesday.

5:06But I tell you what, if I ran that business, I'd be like, I accept the toilet's broken. I accept we need to get some milk for tea, but we've got a bloody deadline to meet and we'll do that first. And there's a bloody transfer deadline to meet and it's seven o 'clock on Monday and we need a goalkeeper and a fucking midfielder and we're talking about sacking a manager or whether Manu's going to stay or go. Last time I checked, the manager can be sacked on Tuesday. Last time I checked, Menuh's got a contract for two years plus one. We'll pick it up on Tuesday morning, get on with the bloody transfer window.

5:37But we're not. We're not. We're doing the same dance we always do. And some of our fans are just as bad. They're on the dance floor too. Like, what are you doing talking about Menuh and the manager? Leave it till Tuesday. We need to go and get a midfielder and a goalkeeper. And this noise just benefits the club. Are we getting a midfielder? Probably not. What happens to United without it? We're done. We're done. That midfield is not good enough. Not good enough at all. So I want to get into your thoughts, but I wanted to get that off my chest. I'm watching, because I do that football, because like you, I watch football beyond Man United.

6:15I'm seeing clubs rushing. Apparently Spurs might sign Semenyu, Javi Simons and Ake in the next three days. this is a team that's already better than us that we think we're going to finish above you got no chance we are not prepared for this season at all at all and that goes beyond the manager we have absolutely dropped the ball if Sir Jim Radcliffe's a real Man United fan he's got to be holding a big meeting right now saying what the fuck is going on why am I wasting my time here with you lot. What have you done in this transfer window? Why did you spend£125 million on two number 10s when you already had four?

6:59You've got no midfield. You've got no goalkeeper. I love Embermo. I love Cunha, but you've got Mount, Xerxi, Ahmad and Bruno, and you bought two more and you've got no midfield and you've got no goalkeeper. Who thought this was a good idea? I want to know. I want to know. I really, really do. anyway let me just read you the uh some of the bits that are coming in this morning and then i'm going to get into your thoughts so main he was told van united he wants to leave on loan in search of regular minutes in a world cup season the club wants him to fight for his place and will not sanction a move main who wants to leave uh but united wanting to stay says simon stone uh and fight for his place and they that and they say they value him highly um menu still loves the club says romano he doesn't want to leave permanently or leave the project uh united I told Manu no loan or permanent transfer.

7:48They need to find a solution. Probably the smart solution here is to play him, but I'm not a Man United manager, says Fabrizio Romano. Manu has received calls from over 15 clubs asking for a loan deal. That's from Romano as well. So look, just picking up on all that sort of stuff there. Manu wants to go on loan because he wants to play. Man United are saying, stay and fight for your place. I've got to say, I've made my mind up. I want to see Kabi Maynou playing for Manchester United but also you've got to back yourself mate there's something going wrong if you're not getting into this team so I don't get why you would put it out there that you want to go on loan but you don't want to leave the club have put it out there that they value you highly and you don't want you to go but they want you to work harder there's something not right here there's just something not right why are you playing this out publicly like I know there's going to be a load I mean who's not there's going to be loads of clubs that would love to take Mainu on loan I mean it's a bloody freebie Aston Villa will take him you know there's loads of clubs who will take Mainu on loan I don't really get it like at some point you've got to self-reflect I don't know anything about Mainu you know he I think he conducts himself really really well in comparable to someone like Ganaccio but I don't I don't I don't really know and you know we obviously are speculating but from the outside looking in you're very close to that starting team Casemiro's in and out Agate's not playing very well Bruno's under pressure so if you're performing in training are you really telling me that Amarim's going you're not playing I mean that's just ridiculous so if you're good enough you're gonna play so be good enough like It's not like you're at Real Madrid and you've got no pathway into the team.

9:38There's multiple positions you could get into if you're good enough. This is the worst Man United midfield in Premier League history. And you want to leave on loan to get in the England World Cup squad. It doesn't make sense. Our midfield is shit. This is one of the best places in the bloody Premier League to be at if you're a midfielder and you're good. There are two positions there. Stop getting locked in on Bruno. know you could take casimiro's position very very easily so i something just doesn't add up to me here it's like you don't want to leave you want to go on loan to get in the world cup squad and this is the worst man united midfield ever like it's just so obvious that if you're good enough you'll get in and that's still a question mark by the way i rate mainu very very very highly i thought he did quite well against grimsby some people thought he was shit but i don't think he set the world on fire and it was Grimsby so I do think there's a balancing act here where you've got to ignore player power player FC manager FC and look at it in a balanced way mainly wants to play football Romano says the way to get him happy is to play him we can't have that Fabrizio I'm sorry obviously you've got some good information from the players side but we you know as fans of Man United we can't just say oh you're threatening to leave let's put you in the team like that's not how it works you're good enough to be in this team get your head down and get into the team we're only three games into the season we've just lost to grimsby you might if chances of starting tomorrow now i mean i just don't know is you know i i just don't know but look the worrying thing for me is is i don't think that should be put out there it doesn't help us we've just been lost where i'm disappointed here is and i will be very very consistent because everybody knows i'm a big fan of Manu and I want to see him starting and I want to see him staying and I think the club do as well but we've just lost to Grimsby we're under huge huge pressure and he or his people around him have leaked to Ornstein and Romano that he wants to leave the club now if that was somebody we didn't like and respect that would be taken in a completely different way if that was Paul Pogba a few years ago it would be treacherous now I'm not saying Manu is being treacherous but the timing of leaking this to Ornstein and Romano is not the best.

11:57It just adds more pressure to the club, destabilizes the club. So I'm not a big fan of that. I'm a big fan of Manu, but I'm not a big fan of this because I think it just feels like, you know, it's trial by media again, isn't it? Amrim is under pressure. Let's put a little bit more pressure on him. I want to play more games. Let's try and play games through the media. Like, get your head. I'd be very interested to know what a Paul Scholes or a Roy Keane or a Gary Neville or a David Beckham or a Ryan Giggs thought about this. Very rarely do I think they have the superseding opinion over fans, but on this, I'd sort of go, I wonder what they genuinely honestly do think about it.

12:40Because for me, I'm still old school in the sense that you respect the club above anything else. You might not respect the manager. You might not respect the owners. God, nobody does. But respect the club and the fans we're getting a bit tired of players putting their own interests ahead of the interests of the club we're losing what we're all about maybe this is a message to amrin maybe it's a message to the inios i don't know maybe maybe inios tried to sell him in the summer and that's not out there you know i don't know there could be many reasons why mainu feels like this but in leaking it publicly you know i could get a phone call from someone close to mania and say look off record we've done it for this and i'd go i understand then completely understand and that there might be a really good explanation but what i would say in return is you do realize there will be backlash though because if people don't know the context all they're getting is another player publicly saying they want to leave united and that won't go down with some people it doesn't actually go down that well with me.

13:44I don't like it. We're under huge pressure. I put it like this, right? Go back a few hundred years. You're in your castle. You're being attacked by all sides, right? You go into war. Siege mentality. Everyone gets together and says, look, this is going to be difficult, but they're not breaching this castle. Let them throw their stones. Let them try. We're going to do really well. Then someone puts their hand up and goes, I don't fancy the fight. Can I leave? In fact, I'm going to join them. And that's what I feel like this is a little bit. We need a siege mentality. And someone's putting their hand up and going, I really fancy this.

14:23And we don't need that at the moment. We need just get your head down and get involved. That's my feeling. But then I just feel there will be a reason why this is happening. And I'm never, ever, ever going to not say this. I am going to get into your comments. I'm never not going to say this. I wanted to sell Bruno. So if we'd sold Bruno in June, I think Maynou is playing, another midfielder is here and a goalkeeper's here. So look, hello, can I just say that Bruno should have been sold in June, 100 million quid, Maynou's probably playing, another midfielder's here and we've got a goalkeeper. That's United's biggest mistake.

15:02And I'm not afraid to say it. And I love Bruno, but he's been played out of position and he's going to leave in a year and 100 million pounds is transformative for this football club like i don't know why somebody at the club didn't go look he's 31 he really did think about going anyway we're playing him out of position and 100 million pounds at a time where we're hitting a reset would be perfect i think we dropped the ball on that and i'm always going to stand by that and and and it could become more of an issue uh let me just grab some of your comments on this because there's lots giving their opinion and this is what it's all about especially this morning it sounds like main who is jumping ship and can't handle the pressure do we need that character love the community says mike uh rohit says we have all the deadwood the good talents are gone we are still with maguire sure bruno delo casimiro who have survived four managers the core team is still not gone can't see us in the top half says rohit i can't i really i really really want to be wrong about this but the prediction i gave of fifth place was optimistic I withdraw it.

16:05I want to be wrong, but I'm not taking any credit. If we finish fifth, I am not going to say I told you so. Even though the clip is there, I'm not going to say I told you so because I'm telling you something completely different. The way Spurs and Newcastle are acting and the way we're acting, forget it. Forget it. I don't think we'll even be in Europe next year. I think it's highly unlikely. We're miles and miles and miles off and we're just not ready for this season. I knew we weren't ready for the start of the season and hoped we would be ready after the international break like we have been in the past when we brought in people like Ugarte and Amrabat and Casemiro and Anthony.

16:40You know, we made late signings. Where are they? We're not even going to do that. We're going backwards. We're not going forwards. We're going backwards. Stuck in reverse, as Coldplay once sang. Tony Marshall says, would it not be a win for Amrim if he switches formation? Tony, I'm sorry. I know it's a super chat, but the chat have already voted for this in the summer. I'm not doing another formation chat. Read 20 other comments about it. Mainu is good enough to start, says Slaze. The problem is that he is an eight, but Amarin wants to play a 10 there, so he would play out of position as a six, and people will have a go at him for not being a good six, so Slaze.

17:13I think this is a great point. Mainu plays where Bruno plays. A proper six plays where Casemiro plays. You're absolutely fine, but you've got to accommodate Bruno. It's true. It's absolutely true. And look, if you're Maynou, it is a World Cup year and you do want to play and you look at what I've just said there and you go, I'm not going to play. He's going to play Bruno every bloody week. Desperate times league for desperate measures. But I would still say as much as I understand Maynou's situation, if that's how he feels. There's three days left at the window, mate. We've just lost to Grimsby.

17:53Putting it out publicly that you want to go on loan, you know they're not going to let you go on loan. But I feel this is a prelude to something else. I don't think the timing of this is terrible, absolutely terrible. And it just destabilizes a club I love. And I want a siege mentality. I don't want fractures. Man United are never going to let you go on loan, never in a million years. So why have you put it out there that you want to go on loan? Is it publicity? Is it PR? I don't get why he's done it because you're never going on loan. You've got such a low wage. There's no benefit to Man United.

18:29Saving 20 grand a week, no benefit. Getting a few million when we'd only have three million, we're never going to let you go on loan. So why have you put it out there that you want to go on loan? There's got to be another play because it doesn't make any sense. If anything, you are going to be a bit unpopular with some fans. And anybody with a brain knows United will never let you go on loan. So I don't get the real point. I think it's a step towards something else. Is it a pressure move? Is it sort of like, well, you've said you want to leave. If you don't want to be here, we'll sell you. You know, maybe, you know, maybe May News people are saying, look, we can't do the transfer request.

19:07That's a step too far. What we can do is a tactical, we want a loan, but we love the club. Maybe the Man United will then sell us because we're not committed. I don't know where it goes. It's a bit of a weird dropping away, but we cannot let Mainu go at this late in the window. Not unless you're going to bring somebody in, you know, transformative. I mean, look, at the end of the day, if somebody said you can have Wharton instead of Mainu, or you can have Belaber instead of Mainu, some people would do it. it would be a risk, but you could at least understand a little bit. But you can't let him go on loan.

19:41I'd gladly take seventh, but the way things are now, we'd do well to get seventh, said Adam. We're the only club in the world, football, that constantly airs its dirty laundry. I think this is a great point from John. No leadership from the CEO or any ost, just distraction tactics. Why haven't they come out with clarity and direction? I think this is a great comment by John. And I actually think that there's been a lot of patience and a lot of time for Sir Jim and the CEO and Wilcox over the summer. But they've got to learn from the Bundesliga. And obviously, I'm learning a lot more about the Bundesliga by doing the live games on a Friday night.

20:15You can watch the night on Mats Football. Do tune in. You can check out the highlights on Mats Football. But I've always said this, even before we got Bundesliga rights, the way that Dortmund and Bayern and other clubs are run, their CEO or sporting director speak more than the manager. like they actually front up and they are pr trained they do talk about transfers and i just think at united jose said it and i'm sad to see that last night we've lost two ex-managers to sackings by the way solskjaer and marino sacked i thought ollie was doing well at beziktas and i thought in context feno barche were doing well with marina but anyway marino said it himself when he was at man united you are the ceo the owner the director of football and the manager because no one else will talk.

21:01And God, do we need strong leadership? And do we have it? Well, Gnaccio's social media activity was poor, but incredibly sad. Our two best future projects felt they needed to leave the club. Losing our way, says Paul. All this around Mania is about his contract and wage, says JR. Look, what I would say is you're never going to bully your way into a Manchester United team under Ruben Amarin or Jose Mourinho. There are certain managers where going public, saying you want to go and leave or you want to start or you want to go on loan. You're never going to do it. This is what I mean. The worrying thing about this main new thing is the power play that it is.

21:38It's a public power play and I hate it. I hate our dirty laundry being put out there for the public. If you're the manager of Man United and your player who you value and are basically saying you've just got to show me more, if they then go, I'm not going to get my head down and show you more. I'm actually going to put it out there that I want to leave on loan. As a manager, what are you going to do? If you're the manager of the club and you've said to this player, I really value you, I just need a bit more from you, and then you're going to be playing. And then you wake up and it's like Ornstein or Romano, he wants to leave on loan because he wants to play more football.

22:15Are you going to call him in and go, sorry, mate, I'm really sorry. I was trying to get you to work harder because I'm the boss. And because you've gone public, you can play. I just don't think that's how this plays out I think it's I think it's a prelude to something else I think it's a first step to something else I don't think I hope I'm wrong but I don't think this resolves itself the way I think it will I want it to I did say Inanna is going to destroy the whole team morale with his mistakes look all this situation could have been avoided if they signed the new Premier League worthy goalkeeper says Marion it's interesting marion because ibrahim normally comes in with a super chat and says things like um inios have bought man united breaking news from samuel luckhurst or uh manchester united have just signed manuel agate from psg breaking news from samuel luckhurst we haven't got any he's taken the piss at how slow and he doesn't have any sources but there actually was a story from him overnight about it could have been written by written by ibrahim as a piss take but it actually is from the journalist and it was man united players are gradually losing more and more uh confidence in anana and biinder yeah really why did we lead on that um yeah that that confidence in anana went about christmas time this is not breaking news there's no gradual loss of confidence in anana it's been gone since santa entered his sack like this is like it was March when we broke it that Wilcox and Anamarin want him out the players have wanted him gone a lot longer than that they do like him but they've got no confidence in him they think he's shit and yeah there is no redemption for Anamarin with those players they've actually had you know they take the shit because he fucked up on Tuesday or Wednesday night so that's not breaking news it's um it's slow sports news that main who knows bruno will not be dropped and he is not cdm so he's not competing with agate amram is a poor man manages andrew well the flip side to that coin is andrew why has he put it out there publicly that he wants to leave man united i think it's a poor move on both sides i think mainu should be playing ahead of bruno but i don't think mainu should be doing that publicly either i think like you know i don't live in a world where i i i have to deal in absolutes.

24:42I think more, I'm not saying who's more to blame, but I think there's blame on both parts there. And ultimately, I also come from a world where, and it's a different world now, when you don't get what you want, you work harder. Life's not fair. So if somebody's got something that you deserve, I don't go moaning and ringing up the newspapers. I work harder. I work on why I might not be there. I get my head down on a work hard. I don't go publicly. I need to leave. So, but look, I'm an, I'm a dinosaur, aren't I? You know, but I wish that was the way it was. I don't, I don't agree with it. And also I watched Bruno.

25:21He's playing shit. If Maynou's so good, I don't believe that Amorim wouldn't pick him if he was miles ahead of him. So, and he wasn't miles ahead of him on Wednesday night, was he? We were a better team when Bruno came on and Maynou was a better player when Bruno came on. So I just think it's just, just get your head down, work hard and prove everybody the talent that you've got. Don't be dropping this three days before the bloody window closes. But I'm telling you now, I've cleared the game. This is not about, I want to go on loan because United won't loan him. And by going public, he's just damaged his chances with Amrim.

25:58So have we got another power play from a player with the manager like we've had before? And if we have, it's not again time, isn't it? Sean says, no, because as you've said, he is more attack-minded yourself. And if Amirim said you're competing for Bruno's squad, Bruno now gets subbed, says Sean. I'm not surprised that we don't have a midfielder or a goalkeeper. This will get Amirim sacked as well as his inability to tweak some of his principles, says Will. Manu's been in and out of the squad for two years, had a poor injury record and poor 12 months. A canopy product pulling on fans' heartstrings, says Cameron.

26:28Insufficient. Well, look, I'm going to run a poll on this. We'll run a poll on this. um I should have done this at the start apologies I just need to think about how to word it is well we'll do it like this is Maynew right to go public we'll just do that okay um I'm worried about the potential lamens transfer it's a heavy shirt and to be honest never heard of him we need experience like Martinez who we can rely on says reliance as rob um it's interesting because somebody said to me have you spoken to the person you've had information from over the last few months um and i'm going to i haven't spoken to them yet so i'm not going to pretend oh yeah i've spoken to them this that and the other i haven't but i will but the last i heard on lemenz is that he will sign for man united and that was that was after shesko i was told it's right again isn't it i've forgotten about this so when we signed when we signed shesko or we were signing shesko i got told that lemans will be the next deal obviously there was all the story about belaba which never even got close so it looks like that information is correct you know lemans will be the player but i i've always said lemans could have been a man united player on monday like it could have been a signing on monday but i've always feared that we're going to drag this out till next monday so there's no time to get a midfielder and then you announce a goalkeeper on monday and you don't get a midfielder it's a classic united tactic when they haven't got the money to do the deals they need to do so i think lamens will sign probably at the expense of a midfielder now um but i have this heavy heart feeling that there's something major going to happen around menu and i hope i'm going to be wrong um secondary to that great point about the goalkeeper um when you look at the treatment of Dorgu in his first three months, when you look at the treatment of Agate in his first few weeks, do you think we've got a fan base that's patient?

28:33Do you think we've got a fan base that when a goalkeeper makes a mistake, they're going to go, it's fine, he's young, let's fed in like we did with De Gea. You're right. And again, have United read the room on that? Do United genuinely test the temperature of their fans when they're bringing in younger players? I think we need more Cunhas and Mbemos, not more, you know, Rasmus Hoylands and people like that who are potential and Dorgus. I like those signings, but I don't think we've got a fan base that's capable of being that patient. Did you see his tweet this morning that the agents of Gannaccio and Cobby was plotting during the Europa semi?

29:11I don't know what tweet that is. Chelsea have added Wartons to their list, according to Ben Jacobs. Get your fingers out, Jim, says Lars. This is what's going to happen, mate. You've got six clubs in the Premier League, in the Champions League with Champions League budgets and United think they can wait for Belaber and Wharton. We won't even be in the Champions League next year. We're Manchester United in name. We're not going to be able to just wait and get Belaber and Wharton next summer because we want them. Other clubs will move. Arsenal's summer transfer window is incredible. They had a brilliant first 11 and they basically built an 18-man squad of brilliant players.

29:51Anyone who thinks Martinez is a guarantee and safe pair of hands get their ball knowledge from FIFA, says TBH. Play two strikers, Bruno in the tent, Manu in Elgarte in midfield, keep the wing backs and three in defenders, says Rob D. Dean says, I love Manu at the play and didn't want him to go, but he didn't take his chance on Monday night. Thank you, Dean. What brand are your glasses from TG in Slough? i think they're prada the devil wears prada but they are prada that's why i got them the devil wears prada if you know what united are um an honor is in popular unpopular but is that sorry connor let me get the words out thank you very much for your super chat connor by the way he says anana is unpopular but is it that anana is bad or anana was dragged down to united's level when he came to United this guy played in the Champions League final and played well is our goalkeeping coach bad says Conor I can answer this question and I can answer this question based on speaking to people like Ben Foster Watto former England goalkeeper uh goalkeeping coach I know other goalkeeping coaches it's all and I can see it with my eyes he's not been dragged down to United's level he's technically a crap goalkeeper he can't get down to low shots he can't come for corners he palms the ball back into danger that's not being dragged down to United's level that's just being technically poor as a goalkeeper and we should have we should have known this before we bought him I didn't know it I didn't watch him enough to know that um every time I watched an honor I didn't really notice his shot stopping thing because I think you have to watch him in a number of games to see that what I did notice it was that he was quite good with his feet and you'd expect that having been through the Ajax team his distribution might be a confidence thing but his actual technicality is just basic um i'm worried says rob i've done that one uh don't know what tweet you're on about glenn i'd like to know what that tweet is um sebastian says this is all about main who wants a better contract for next season um curse cute of the kitchen lady says rationed how do we believe and how do we let players believe if it looks like amram doesn't believe damaging post-match does amram know it's a complete reset says you did well i read something this morning that man united are going to have a chat with amrim on tuesday and reassess the situation after the burnley game it never stops with manchester united and i'm not going to sit here and say oh it'll be a quiet international break sometimes the september one is in fact it normally isn't there's normally a lot of fallout about the transfer window and what next etc and a bad start to the window so september is normally quite busy especially on the eight o 'clock shows it'll be incredibly busy if we've got to get a new manager it's never quiet with man united i mean four o 'clock on christmas eve they decided to announce that that um inios had bought united so there's never a day off um i think that um i think there's a lot of lies at the moment i know for a fact that there is no player dissent um i know for a fact that the players are with the manager and they're not questioning tactics or systems they're very disappointed confidence is low um deja vu maybe but they haven't just turned on amrin that's not happened at all the biggest the biggest issue in that club and it's genuinely true is that amrin has threatened to go before uh or offered to go before and if he does it again and he may well do it again at what point as an owner do you say look we want you here but why do you keep saying you know do you want me to go because that you know we obviously don't want you to go but you keep offering up that you you know you will go um and my concern with that would be i've made a fucking huge mistake as a ceo or or an owner but if he doesn't believe he can do the job how how how is anyone else going to believe it and i think that becomes a problem but But Ineos will not want him to go because if they do, you look at that first 18 months of Ineos, it's an absolute car crash.

34:04Like everything's gone wrong. In fact, we're worse. We're a lot worse than we were. We were better off under the Glazers. Nobody should say that, but technically it's true. We were better under the Glazers than we are under Glynios. Yeah. Which is mad. Like how can that be? It's a bit like, you know what? Man United with Ineos is a bit like Man United without Bruno. You think it's bad with Bruno in the midfield and then you drop Bruno and it actually unfathomably gets worse. Now, maybe if it was just Ineos and no Glazers, we might be better. Maybe that's the problem. If we'd sold Bruno and took the 100 million and had a proper preseason, maybe we'd be better.

34:51but right here, right now, you take Bruno out of the team, we're worse. And, you know, you put Ineos with the Glazers and we're worse. So it's weird. Can you call my mate Liam a Pratt? He says Inanna had a bad game, but he's a good goalkeeper. He's more than a Pratt, Liam. Game to the doctors. Get yourself to the Pratt doctors. Manu has been told he's fighting for Bruno's place. Is he honestly going to get many games, says Daz? Well, he should do. 5 a.m u.s time mark first day of school it's a story time you're up early what if cobi has been told he'll play cup games said liam well he should have played better on wednesday then i'd play two holding midfields um in uh cobi and agate with bruno ahead in a turn and play uh front three well we're not nikki i can't talk about formation changes it's not gonna happen he won't play so why does it matter if he goes let him play someplace else develop and get into the world cup squad says rory i mean rory i mean sometimes you drop really intelligent things and sometimes i question you so let's let maynew go and leave ourselves with a pastic midfielder a number 10 and a midfielder that's got no confidence so we'll play we'll let maynew go on loan we'll give somebody off a lottery ticket and we will go through this season with a weaker midfielder than a weak midfield you know it's like we can't let him go it's absolutely stupid we've only got four midfielders um who's the worst goalkeeper inana or ray carroll take your pick ma let's say inana united is a sinking ship so everyone wants to get off if you sell bruno you're probably doing him a favor it's a lot of pressure main who is good on the ball but he isn't a hard worker says playmaker would you do a swap deal uh yulmland and mainu says scott palmer it won't happen uh we've known for a few weeks cobby wants to leave it's not breaking news says jason well he doesn't want to leave he wants to go on loan and that's breaking news in the last couple of you know last 24 hours may need going on loan is good for all parties says ramy goalkeeper has to be priority alice and donnarumma have bailed their clubs out when they play baddick ramy i've just got to go back to that how the hell is it good for all parties to loan menu like we've only got four midfielders how is it good to loan Manu.

37:07We're not Real Madrid who've just won the Champions League in the Premier League with a squad of 50. No, it's not a good idea. Have we got a press conference today? Yes. Yes, we will be reacting to that at around quarter to two. It'll be very interesting. If Manu left, that midfield would be a 10. That's an ageing midfield and a barely average six. The fact he hasn't got a single Prem minute, says Haider. I think he, look, I've done the preview. Check out the preview. I've got him starting the game tomorrow against Burnley. I don't know whether I have now. And that's mad, isn't it? Like, I genuinely think he would have started tomorrow with Bruno.

37:42I don't know whether he will now. How on earth did you lose to Grimsby, says Robber Robotic? Well, check it out. Robben does not seem the type of manager who puts his hand around a player, tells them it's going to be OK. Younger players need that. Mania needs it, says Trishan. And in my opinion, Cubby has been advised by his agent to push for a loan and wait out Amrum's reign. it's clear they don't think the manager will last the club undo the loan at any time when amron was gone says josh that's not actually a bad call um it's a it's a good call actually it's a very very good call because what you're basically saying is that um you know you don't really want to leave man united so don't put a transfer request in but you don't want to play for this manager so you want a loan um and you'll come back when he's gone I mean that that that's player power I'm sorry I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to say it but it's that's player power we're meant to be moving away from this um that's putting your own interests ahead of what's what so what are we supposed to do as fans you you piss off for a little bit and wait for him to get sacked and we'll endure it and then we'll have another manager and we'll start again and hope that when you come back you'll be good enough for him I don't I don't like that, but you might be onto something.

39:00I hope you're wrong, Josh. It's a theory, but I don't like that theory because I want players that are going to bust the gut for Man United. I mean, this whole arm around the shoulder shit, you're living a privileged life. You're earning, all right, 20 grand a week is laughable for a Man United player, but it's still 20 grand a week. It's still more than any of us are earning. It's massive amounts of money. and I want players that are just dedicated to the club through thick and thin. I don't want players that go, it's not going my way, I want out and then I'll come back when it does. It's a mentality thing again, isn't it?

39:38But that's only if Josh's theory is true. If he wants to leave, you let him go pre-Madonna. Players shouldn't be here such as Maynou. He couldn't even be a Grimsby midfield, just Trey. Definitely split an opinion and that's why I don't think it was a good idea to put it out to Ornstein and Romano. I'd actually sympathise with Maynou, says uh paul he has been told he needs to fight against the club captain who isn't a midfielder to start in the midfield yeah but he's he's 20 he's 20 years of age why is he a why is he a definite eight why can't you be a six why can't you be a right wing back like paul's goals didn't start where he ended up like just you know you're 20 years of age just just get in the team i mean demanding a certain position.

40:23If you're good enough, get in the team. The club said everyone is up for sale. This is the kickback. Loity's been battered by the players and the management, says Anthony. Mark, you've sacked people. Why not even hammer him, sisterly? Because it's never worked. It sounds like Mania's jumping ship, says Mike, and can't handle the pressure of United. I've done that one from Mike. I'm just catching up on some of these. If there's one smart person in Man United board, go to Portugal and sign Costa. Kid from Belgium is not going to help us for once. act like a football club says nick uh harry says i'm having trouble watching any of your videos on that's football because of my vpn and location but i'm in the uk and don't use any help says that okay let me um let me get that sorted

41:14i'll do that for you now

41:30um it's probably because of the bundesliga thing last week mate so it's probably just been left on uh andrew says i think he wants more minutes because the world cup and legal dot says we can chastise ganacho rasmus or cobbies unfulfilled potential but The iconic picture reveals we failed them, weak discipline and a toxic culture, heartbreaking to see, says Lee. One of my mates got that picture for Christmas last year framed because it's an iconic picture. And I think it's now become an iconic picture of the problem of Manchester United. You're right. Whatever you think about Rasmus Ganacho and Manu, they sat on that advertising board smiling with a future at Man United, focused on that future.

42:14over a year later and it's in tatters. And whilst we can all blame them, it's a bit of a coincidence that three separate personalities have all ended up out of this football club. You have to look at the failings of what's gone on. In that period, we've sacked half the workforce. In that period, we've announced that we're going to leave Old Trafford. There is a culture that goes beyond the players. Of course there is. and they may well be, you know, victims of those symptoms. It'll be difficult to get the ball full bang for him now, says David, and that annoys me as well. Look, Ganaccio goes for 40 million.

42:52He's a 60 million pound player. Manu goes for what, 40 million? Again, he was a 60 million pound player. We're devaluing these players as well. Is it really surprising that Kobe wants out when he sees how out of faith players have thrived after leaving Alanga, et cetera, as the streets will never forget. Well, it is surprising, yeah, because I go back to what my point was before. Why are players... Look, I don't like the owners. You might not like the manager, but what have we done as fans and the name Manchester United and the statue of Sir Bobby Charlton, why do people go, I don't fancy this?

43:32You're at the wrong fucking club anyway then, aren't you? Me, Kunia and Bermot came to Manchester United over Champions League clubs because they wanted to come to Manchester United. They might regret it now they see what it's like, but they wanted to come and play for Manchester United. That's what we need. I'm not saying it's easy, but that's what we need. So I haven't got any sympathy with anybody that goes, I don't fancy this fight. I fancy something else that might be a bit easier because as a Man United fan, why would you ever understand that? I understand the clubs being running to the ground.

44:06I understand it's hard, but it's Manchester United. You know, that's like me saying to you lot, I understand if you go and watch Robbie on AFTV and support them from now on. You know, I understand it because we're shit. No, you're not going to do that because it's your club. And unfortunately, it seems like we've got more and more players that actually act on their own benefit and not that of us, the fans and the club. We're not getting top 10 with goalkeepers we have, says Liam. If we don't get a goalkeeper, I'm debating watching United anymore, says Lyke Schofield. Once again, says Patrick, always the voice of reason, Patrick Lynch says, once again, the club has mismanaged the summer window.

44:44Once it closes, that's it. History has shown we don't buy in January. This squad isn't capable of getting into Europe as it stands. Hear, hear, hear, hear. Can we do a deal with Brighton and Maynou, says Andy Atherton? Well, that's a deal I think we'd all do, because that's a deal we all spoke about a very long time ago. a very long time ago. So you're a hypocrite if you can't do this deal now. Loaning Maynou to Brighton and bringing Belaber in in return would be a gold standard deal. That's where it works. If you loan Maynou to somebody and get something better in return for a year, and Maynou gets development for a year, I ain't got a problem with it.

45:24I haven't got a problem with it at all. But I don't think that's the play, because why is Maynou putting it out? like a man a man united gone hobby make us look stupid by saying you want to leave and go on loan and then we'll get what we want i would absolutely 100 say palace do you want mainu for a year on loan as part of a wharton deal or sporting do you want mainu on loan as part of a yulmland deal or brighton do you want mainu on loan as part of a the labour deal of course i would because we can bring him back and he'll play every week i would do it but i don't think that's what it's all about unfortunately as much as we probably would love it to be the bomb squad must go and then at least five more let amram clean the deck and steady the ships as marlo it's going to be a very very challenging season isn't it and i think you're gonna have to pick a side and stick with it and i think there's going to be a lot of debate and there's going to be a lot of argument but ultimately I do agree with Marlow.

46:22I'd rather be working towards a better future, accepting that it's going to get worse before it gets better than trying to just keep doing what we're doing, which is reset, reset, reset. It's just not working. And the only reset I will buy into is a reset of ownership, which we're not going to get. I don't want to see another reset because it's never a reset. I was thinking about this last night, actually. It's a fair point if somebody said to me ruben amram leaves next week antonio conte comes in the club say to conte any player you want to get rid of he's gone drop them into the reserves for the rest of the season they're gone and there's half a billion to start building i probably would say let's give it a go but the next manager that comes in will have to use the low he'll have to lose luke shaw you know it'll be the same same shit it'll be the same new hope with the empire strikes back following it see what i did there star wars people but we are a star wars trilogy new hope and then the empire strikes back and the empire is the shit that's been dragging us down for years so you'll bring a new manager in there'll be a load of new hope and it will last you know a couple of months and And then the real problems will strike back because they won't be removed.

47:42And that's Manchester United, you know, the Disney Channel. It's all fantasy. And New Hope is better, but Empire Strikes Back, no, shut up. Empire Strikes Back's way better, Ladius. Wash your mouth out. And you're a bloody mod. You're on thin ice. And New Hope's good. Empire Strikes Back's better. It's more real. Just on the poll that we've got running, is Manu right to go public? 56 % say no. 44 % say yes. Welcome to 2025, where undermining your superiors for your own selfish needs is actually seen as okay. All the signings seems to make chances for themselves. Where's the selfless Carrick Tykes?

48:24Is Sir J.K. Worthing. Amorim better succeed. He has no other choice, says Kiel. Why does everyone say Amorim out? He didn't get the transfers he expected and he's trying something and he can do wonders but keep trusting him, says Nallim. Indie Bomba, says Josh. uh well let's go and have a look at what the indie bomber is because i read one of his tweets this morning and had about five different spelling mistakes so for somebody that's looking for credibility in the industry you'd think they'd use a spell checker but let's have a look um

48:59but it's not it's not from him it's from the mirror it's from the mirror may new tells mangan art that he wants to join napoli permanently i mean if indica is so credible why is he quoting the mirror um yeah i don't know like i don't know we move on what about still a great passing holding midfielders lord of terror the problem with stiller is is that volta made a place for stuttgart you're talking to a bundesliga expert now volta made a place for stuttgart they've just let him go with three days left in the window their fans are furious because the club said they weren't going to let him go but he has gone for a lot of money so they're not about to let stiller go for a cheap price that is very similar to wharton at palace you know you're not going to get a bargain for water now but as he's gone why does everyone saying am i'm out he didn't get done that from nalim what about stiller done that one asking maynew to compete with amir's golden boy bruno and prove himself um isn't good talent management says one inch wonder uh seems more complex than we think i see a kid with a bright future loves the club but he's worried after some early career momentum that he's becoming irrelevant in a year he could establish himself as a future england mainstay absolutely agree absolutely agree but life's not fair and um you either put the transfer request in or you don't i think this is a halfway house i want to go on loan because i don't want to leave i'll stay if i'm gonna play it it's having your cake and eating it isn't it you want You want to leave and you want to play, but you don't want to say you want to leave because it's not a good look for somebody that loves the club.

50:33So you want to go on loan, but the club won't loan you. You don't feel that you're going to get time if you stay.

50:43I'd say what I said at the start. I don't want Manu going anywhere. I want Manu to play for Manchester United. I think he's got to step it up. He's got to work harder. but if he doesn't want to take that risk, if he thinks staying at Man United and working harder might backfire and he could go somewhere else and get in the England squad, put a transfer request in, mate. Simple as that. The loan deal doesn't work. But my advice would be you're better than Bruno. Prove it. You're better than Bruno as a midfielder, I believe. Prove it and you'll get it. You will get it because he is not a midfielder and he's never going to be a midfielder.

51:18And if you can't dislodge Casemiro or Bruno from that midfield, then maybe you're not as good as you think you are. Because trust me, you will dislodge them because they're going to cost us games. They're going to cost us games. They already have. Bruno cost us a game last week. Maybe the reason Manu wants a loan move is because he's been informed that United's going to sign a new midfielder, says Arnold. Hope so. Look, this can go good. This can go bad. And that's what I mean. My constant is I like Kabi Manu. I don't want him to go. I think he's got the right personality. I don't like us being played in public because we're in a really low position and we need to be in a siege mentality.

51:58Best case scenario, it goes on loan somewhere where we bring someone else in and they're better than him and he gets to play first team football. Worst case scenario, we don't bring anybody in and this just leads to more cracks and fractures in the team and we've been down that road before. Lookies, welcome to the Members Club. Thanks very much for joining the Members Club. You're an absolute legend. I really appreciate you for doing that getting your badge in is there an 8 o 'clock show tonight no I will be live at 6 because we've got live Bundesliga action on basketball so yeah we'll be live for that obviously we'll go live if anything else happens I mean there is a lot of stuff sort of ready to go I think Rasmus to Napoli will happen very very soon loan obligation to buy and I think that um antony tibetis is getting closer who knows what's happening with sancho molassia is apparently heading off to alche uh on loan so the bomb squad is nearly gone i mean don't know what sancho is going to do apparently he's planning on taking a year out um off to thailand and uh you know australia and just you know backpacking and uh because um i don't know i don't know i don't like talking about sancho i find him i find it really really boring what a waste of a of a talent really Arsenal have signed yet another player this transfer window.

53:18Man United is still sitting around, so slightly mouldy cheese. Well, as I said at the start, the real story for me is that the real story is we're sat here spending so long talking about the manager, talking about Maynou. The manager is the manager and Maynou is a current Man United player. While we're talking about infighting again, there are clubs like Spurs signing Jabby Simons, trying to get to the menu, Newcastle getting Whizzer and Voltamader. Our rivals, not even the top four rivals, our rivals for currently fifth and sixth are strengthening whilst we're arguing about weakening. And that's a lesson again, isn't it?

54:03What was the great philosophy I came up with yesterday? I've completely forgotten it. Hopefully it'll get registered in the annals of history. But it's not rocket science. if your rivals are getting stronger whilst you're getting weaker what's going to happen you're going to lose the battle you're going to lose the battle it's as simple as that and and that's that's what's happening it's uh it's sad to see but we're arguing we're debating about whether we're going to keep we already had mainu so our big win on monday night is that mainu hasn't left well he was already here everyone else is buying players so you know it could all be a smokescreen anyway you know that that new contract could still get signed like a new signing we've been many of us been hinting at that for a very long time um

54:54palina would have been perfect says nathan may he probably knows that amram can't risk giving you minutes because we look really bad without bruno he's been absolutely average too says Arctic. I feel there's another development here. And I wouldn't rule out, I wouldn't rule out, and I think this is really important to say, I wouldn't rule out that Man United have tried to sell him at some point over the last six months. I genuinely don't have that information, but I just feel there's something else going on here. And you've got to also think that it can't be badly thought out. When it goes to Ornstein and Romano, it's got to be planned.

55:33and I just feel that there's something else. I feel like Man United might have tried to sell him. Not Amrim. I think Man United might have tried to sell him. I'm speculating here because I don't want to think bad of Mane, but I just feel there might be something. There might be something that's got his back up as well that's not public knowledge. I mean, it's speculation. It's speculation at the end of the day.

56:04i don't think man united would want him out on loan lance um i really really don't um okay thank you everybody for tuning in this morning make sure you take care we've got the amarin press conference to react to as well that'll be coming out and obviously if anything else happens we will be live for that too uh appreciate all your comments this morning um looking forward to speaking you to again later remember it'll be about six o 'clock instead of eight o 'clock tonight and i'll speak to you in a bit take care We have got a press conference, Knaz, yes. I've already answered that about four times.

56:38Let's hope it's Brighton, Believer, and lone Kobe, James, but, you know, let's wait and see. Thanks for watching.