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0:00Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United transfer news as we get a shock transfer update from Fabrizio Romano around a goalkeeper and a late sweep. And also an interesting story coming out this morning that Ineos still fear a quit from Ruben Amrim. They still fear he could walk away. We'll talk about that as well. But let's get straight into the last few hours of this transfer window now. I mean, look, 7 o 'clock tonight, 24 hours to go. Where's the bloody midfielder? I mean, we spoke about it in depth last night. It's not a bloody joke.

0:35Where is the midfielder? So I want to know about that. But let's start off with the goalkeeping situation. And it's a huge drop from Fabrizio Romano this morning. Now, I'm a little bit early, as I said this morning, because at 10 o 'clock, Seb's playing a game of football. So I'm live earlier. but it's good that I'm live early because this is an early drop from Fabrizio Romano this morning. And what he's basically saying is that Manchester United have made a new approach to Aston Villa for Emi Martinez. Talks remain ongoing for Le Mens while United want to be ready if the deal collapses before the deadline.

1:11It also goes on to say a direct quote from Fabrizio this morning. If Le Mens deal doesn't happen, maybe they could try to reactivate an option for Emi Martinez. He always remained an option internally at the club. Let me be clear. The priority is Le Mens and they want to close the deal ready to go big in case they can't get it done. We'll see what's going to happen. So it's goalkeeper conversation in the last few hours of this transfer window. I've got to say I have a couple of issues with this. First of all, why, why is the big deal and the only deal we're doing in the last few hours of this window a goalkeeper?

1:50Why are we so locked in on one deal when two are absolutely necessary? We've been looking at a goalkeeper now for what feels like all summer. We've definitely been looking at Le Mans since the start of July. Why have we done another Agate? Why have we done another Amrabat where we've spent two months dancing around a deal we know we're going to do, pushing it to the last end of the window so that we can't do another deal? United have got to stop doing this. We know your game. We've played the game. We know your game. You've been talking to this guy for two months. You've purposely pushed it back to the end so you can go, oh, we ran out of time with the midfielder.

2:28Let's speak to Samuel at the Manchester Evening News. Samuel, can you drop your normal bullshit story on Tuesday morning saying Man United plan to go big on a midfielder in January? Cheers, pal. See you later. Bye. I've cleared the game. I know exactly what's going to go on here. It's going to be a goalkeeper right at the end of the window tomorrow. And Tuesday morning when the window's shut, it'll be a big story about how we're going to go big for Belayba. Just the same as when the January transfer window shut, right at the start of February, we had an Ornstein bomber. Man United are going to go for Kenda.

2:59And what happens? We don't bloody get them. So Glazernomics at work again. I'm not going to sit here getting excited about the goalkeeper. I'm sorry. I want a fucking midfielder. I want a midfielder. We need a midfielder. And if we don't get a midfielder, watch last night's show about where we're going to end up. So don't try and play the game of, oh, we might go for Emi Martinez. You're not going for Emi Martinez at all. You're trying to scare Royal Antwerp. You're not going for Emi Martinez, absolutely no chance you're going for Emi Martinez. We all know it's spin, cock and bullshit. No chance we're going for Emi Martinez.

3:34This is spin PR to get Royal Antwerp to go, oh no, we might miss out on a big deal. Let's do a deal with Manchester United. We'll end up with Le Mens and it looks like that's all we're going to end up with. So you're not going to get an excited Goldbridge this morning going, oh my God, we might go for Emi Martinez. I want on the goalkeeper stuff. I mean, let's run a poll on this. I'm very interested to know where you would go on this either or, because I'm just, I'm not even going to wait for the result and I'm not going to look at the result. I respect the result, but I know what I want to say.

4:08I'm not going to wait. So I'm doing a poll here. Would you go for Lemans or Martinez with 24, you know, 36 hours left in the transfer window without looking at your results? I don't like this story because I I want Emi Martinez. I don't like this story at all. I don't know who's leaked it to Fabrizio. I don't know whether United probably have leaked it and said, can you leak it so that Royal Antwerp get worried that we might pivot to Martinez? I hope we do pivot to Martinez. You know, I look at Man United and I go, do I want an experienced Premier League goalkeeper with attitude or do I want, and when I say attitude, I mean confidence, or do I want a young kid who's never played in the Premier League before.

4:47Hello, I think I'll take the experienced leader goalkeeper, thank you very much. You know, the guy that stopped a one-on-one in the World Cup final and helped Argentina win the final. Yeah, I think I'll go for that guy. So what worries me about this is we're using the guy I want as the decoy. Actually, I want Martinez over Lemaitre. I like both, actually. You know, ideally, if you're Man City, Liverpool or Arsenal, you get both. You have the experienced goalkeeper who's 35 and you have Lemaitre who's the up-and-coming goalkeeper. You know, that's what a proper club does. So I want Martinez. I'm sorry.

5:20I don't, you know, I'm sure I'm going to be in the minority, but I want Martinez. So I don't even like this, you know, PR story. You know, I will back Lamens. I think it's an interesting signing, but I don't know much about him and he's going to need patience. looking at that Man United side, do I think a 23-year-old goalkeeper who's never played here before is going to command the respect and authority of that defence instantly? Probably not. Probably be a bit like De Gea in the first year. You know, there will be mistakes and we'll have to be patient. But, you know, Martinez is infinitely the better goalkeeper to go for in the short term.

5:58So I don't, you know, I sort of read Romano's update and it's almost like they're full in on amends, but if they don't do that deal, they'll pivot to Martinez. And I'm like, pivot to fucking Martinez now, but I don't think we can afford him. He'd be more expensive. So it's an interesting story, but it's not the story I want this morning, really. I want a bloody midfielder and I can't move away from that. I think it's, as the Pet Shop Boys once sang, and Elvis Presley, it's a sin. Did he sing It's a Sin? No, he sang You're Always on My Mind, which is a midfielder. You're always on my mind. Now, Pet Shop Boys sang It's a Sin and it's a sin not getting a midfielder.

6:39Definitely. Let's not ruin Le Mans. No, I want to be very, very clear. I like Le Mans and you know what I'm like with younger players. I do give them patience and time, but you're offering me up a goalkeeper that can come in and do a job right now against a young goalkeeper where we know most of our fan base is going to. Well, not most of our fan base, a lot of our fan base and a lot of the media are going to be on him from day one. It's huge pressure. Huge pressure. Ashton Bedford, welcome to Members Club. Thank you very much. NG99 says, Emi does have a propensity for boneheaded moments. Yeah, but I mean, look, it's what he brings straight away, isn't it?

7:13Authority. Liam says, if we get LeMens or Martinez in, then go for a midfielder on loan. I agree with you, Liam. And we mentioned Conor Gallagher last night, which was a pure fan theory. And I just got a video dropping on that football about the last few hours of the window. It's going to be crazy. It's just whether it's going to be crazy around Man United. I think there's going to be some big deals going off in the next 24 hours. Big, big, big surprise deals. Will United be involved in any of those? I don't know. I just don't know. I don't feel like we're like that. But look, fingers crossed we can still get a midfielder.

7:49But the problem with the goalkeeper is, I don't think the goalkeeper happens today. I think the goalkeeper, they'll push it to tomorrow and then they'll be, Man United can't do two deals at once. So if we don't get here we go today, even if we do get here we go today, United is still working on it tomorrow anyway, doing all the paperwork. So I think we're running out of time here on a key, key signing. How much cash do we have to spend from the Ganacho sales, says James? All of it. £40 million. It's pure profit. But where it will go, I don't know. It could go on transfers from this summer. It could go on transfers that we owe from, you know, remember we walked into the summer owing 90 million from previous deals.

8:30There's debt interest, which is normally 40 million a year as well. So I don't know where that money will go, but it's pure, pure profit. it. Stanton says Martinez for Unana is like getting a diamond for shit. 67 % of you do actually agree with me. You would go for Martinez over Lemans. I think we will get Lemans. Reading it from Romano and somebody said it in the chat, he's been briefed there by somebody close to the club because it definitely reads like, if United don't get what they want from Lemans, they're going to go to Martinez. And it's like, it's a threat. So look, I wouldn't expect Martinez to be honest with you.

9:08Liverpool are going to get Gwehi and Isaks in the next 48 hours yeah well you can't have watched the That's Football video because I've just been told it's not out till quarter past nine but that's exactly one of the stories in there they will get both of those players on top of what's been a very very good transfer window for them there is another story to bring you I mean look whether you want to believe it or not this came out from the Mirror last night from Simon Mullock who you may well know as a journalist that's had stories around Man United over the last few years predominantly when Ten Hag was here.

9:39I don't know what was going on with the Ten Hag era and the Mirror, but the Mirror were very well briefed around things at Man United when Ten Hag was here. They're saying exclusive Manchester United Chiefs fear Ruben Amrim could still quit. Alarm bells have been ringing since May. Senior players disillusioned. Erratic behaviour, a cause for concern. So look, I think that's only going to feed the Amory Mouters and the media. Obviously, the mirror is the media. Do I believe it? Look, you know what? I do believe it, but I don't believe their story, if that makes sense. Alarm bells ringing since May.

10:23Why? Senior players disillusioned. why erratic behavior of course for concern why he's a he's a passionate manager and we've lost to grimsby ain't gonna be very happy about that it's an embarrassment to lose to grimsby so his reaction to that is not erratic it's understandable you know we criticize ten hog because he showed no emotion and then we criticize amrim because he shows too much emotion And at the end of the day, it's like the emotion police. At the end of the day, it's about results. We lost to Grimsby and the manager was fuming and showed it. I don't see that as erratic behaviour. as for senior players becoming disillusioned who are these senior players I mean Harry Maguire looks happy De Litt looks happy Casemiro's playing games and running his contract down he's going to be a multi-millionaire he looks happy Bruno's going to be a multi-millionaire next summer he looks happy who are these senior players Luke Shaw's playing games he looks happy who are these senior players Masraoui's just coming back from injury why would he not be So again, I call bullshit.

11:35Little bit of detective work exposes nonsense. Every senior player is getting games or injured. So Deleu, another senior player, playing a lot. So I don't see that as a problem either. Where I would concede Amrim might not be happy Is the reason we're not happy If I was the manager of Man United And I was thinking about walking or quitting There's a very big reason for it And you all know it The very big reason for quitting or walking away Is because of what we've just spent the first five minutes talking about Where's my fucking midfielder? You know, where's my goalkeeper? Why am I starting the season like this?

12:17And am I doing it for the rest of the season like this? That is why any manager worth their salt. Because you figure it out, don't you? You know, I know we spoke about it last night, but maybe some of you haven't thought of it like this. You look at Manchester United's season right here, right now, and we were talking about it last night, and most people predicted we'll finish eighth. That ain't good enough. That's not good enough, is it? Come on. So a lot of United fans are saying we're going to finish eighth. That's not good enough. So if you've figured that out, how are you figuring that out?

12:51You're figuring it out based on the United squad as it stands at this moment in time. So if you figured it out, then Amrim has figured it out. And if Amrim's figured it out, you're going into a season knowing you're going to have a bad season and that's going to fall on you. and sometimes people will go, I'm very sure this is going to go wrong. I'm not taking the blame. I'm getting out of here and saying, look at what they did. I don't think that's going to happen, but if it did happen, I think a lot of people would, I think a lot of Amory Mouters would celebrate that. I think it would make them praise him if he went, you know what?

13:30I can't succeed because of this ownership. I want out. I don't want him to do that, but it would be a very big issue. And I think it would be a big issue. And I'm surprised again, Ineos haven't solved that issue to stop it being an issue. Because I think if Amrim did quit, it would be because of what he's been promised and not given. It would be because he's been betrayed and lied to. That's why I think Amrim would quit. Do I think he's going to quit? No. Do I think some of the points in that story are true? No. I don't sense erratic behavior. I don't sense senior players being disillusioned. But if he was going to quit, I think it would be because he's not been backed in this summer transfer window.

14:12And you will get people of rivalry and toxicity saying he has been backed, he's had£200 million. But anybody worth their salt knows that Man United need to spend between half a billion and a billion on a team that's shit. And anybody worth their salt knows that we needed five minimum signings and were too short. So Amrim might be saying to the board, we can't achieve anything this year because you haven't delivered what we needed to achieve. And that's going to lead to cracks in the dressing room. We already know from Sir Jim Madcliffe and from Amrim that they have real conversations quite regularly.

14:50So, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say he won't quit. I don't think he will quit. But if he does, I think it will be for the same reason you aren't happy with this transfer window. He's the guy that's got to front up every week. I know it feels like it's horrible for us to front up every week, but we're fans. It's frustrating. It ruins your weekend. You're watching your rivals get further away. It's hard. But imagine being the guy in the dugout, taking responsibility for that, knowing it's going to happen. And to be honest with you, I look at this season and I go, flip a coin. Is it going to be like last year or is it going to be slightly better?

15:27it might be slightly better, but I don't see it being a good season. And, you know, that's not going to help him, is it? And also, what if he looks at it and goes, I'm absolutely going to get the sack. The club can say I'm not going to get the sack, but look at the noise around me. I am going to get the sack. So he might walk. I don't think he will, but I think the next 24 to 48 hours will dictate a lot of how he's thinking. And he has got an international break to think it through. Honestly, I don't want him to go. I find him very similar to Rangnick and I know some people didn't like Rangnick, but a lot of us did.

16:02I like the honesty. Some people can't deal with the honesty because they want to blame one person. They want to, you know, there's still people in our fan base that think a certain manager can come in and make us great. It can't happen. I like the honesty of Rangik and Amrim because they tell us what we see There is huge problems at that football club So I don't want him to go, I really don't But I'm not going to sit here and say that he might not And he, as well as us, is aware of the problems, I would say Have you got a cold this morning? I'm fully aware that I'm going a little bit Hugh Grant Not quite that deep, but yeah, something's starting to bubble up So yeah, I don't know But big day today I am on that's football for Liverpool against Arsenal.

16:46By the way, Amrim walked out of sporting for ending the season at second and not winning. Man United board is not serious, says Roosh. Amrim out doesn't help anyone we need to understand, says Shabazz. Yeah, but I think that's just human nature, mate. I think when something goes wrong, especially in football, we're indoctrinated to sack a manager. You know, it's learnt behaviour, isn't it? And unfortunately, football is very slow in certain areas when it comes to evolution and change. This is not just a Manchester United problem. It's an AC Milan problem. It's been a Chelsea problem. It's a Crystal Palace problem.

17:22When things go wrong at football clubs, you sack a manager and fans accept it. And that needs to change. There's a lot of positive change in football. But, you know, for years, if something goes wrong, you sack your manager and it papers the cracks. and I think most Man United fans know that sacking managers is not the problem at Man United, but there are still some that believe it is. Despite Sesco not starting, we seem to perform better when Mount is on. I feel like the midfield should have been addressed before bringing in a striker, says Major Zero. Yeah, but we're still not scoring enough goals, are we?

17:57I look at yesterday, we could have scored six, we scored three and one of them was a penalty. I look at Fulham, we should have scored three. We scored one and it was an own goal. I look at Arsenal, we should have scored two and scored none. So we definitely do need a striker. We definitely do. Roald Dahl says, what's the breaking news? Well, it says it on the title. Martinez, maybe go back and watch the first few minutes. Liverpool getting Gwehi. I've done that one from Mario Franco. How much cash do we get from that? Liam wants us to go for a midfielder as well. So, yes. This is exhausting, says Ryan It's like an abusive relationship Look, my major concern And I have to do We haven't got a game now We're not playing on Sunday We played yesterday My major concern is the midfield I'm fuming about it I'm absolutely fuming about it And I What's this from?

18:57Oh, he's a forward I was getting excited then Two unnamed Premier League clubs are keen on making a move for Sevilla forward. Why is it forward? That's Fabrizio. Yeah, I'm fuming about the midfield. It absolutely had to be addressed and the time is running out massively. We're not going to do a Belaber or a Wharton or a Yulmland now. We're not going to do that. The time's not there. I don't think they're going to do anything. I personally think now we're so late in the window. It's such an important position. What football club? if you want to talk logically what football club leaves it to the last 24 hours to sign their most important signing of the summer nobody not even man united so i think they're going to ignore it i don't think they're going to do anything about it i think the labor was a punt they missed and they left it and they think they can go back next summer which is hilarious how are you going to go and buy belabor next season when you're finishing eighth with a new manager it's not going to happen is it?

19:53So we've messed it up. Ineos have basically put us in reverse with the Glazers. They've sent us backwards when it comes to transfers. There are people out there that want Ineos to do well. I do. I didn't choose them, but I want them to do well. But if we're being completely honest, what happens is you get linked to Sheshko, you get linked to Belaber and Ineos are pulling off a madness and certain people start rimming them. And then this happens and those certain people shut their mouths. Well, we shouldn't shut our mouths. We should be there going, well, where's the even-handed, you're praising them.

20:25You're not going to criticize them now. And I can't stand those people who live up Ineos' arse when there's talk of positivity. But when they absolutely drop the ball, they run for the hills. They've messed up big time. They've absolutely messed up big time. They are sending us into a season like a lamb to slaughter. It's absolutely unforgivable. So I don't see a midfielder happening now. I want to be wrong, but I don't see it happening because they've left it late. And I think the only thing that's going to happen in the midfield is what many of you've predicted already. This whole Manu story is going to be spun as it's like a new signing because we made him stay.

21:04And it contradicts what we're all about because keeping Manu when he doesn't want to be here is against. United are just so contradictory. We don't want players here that don't want to be here. You know, throughout the summer, they basically said about Jochores, we only want players who want to play for Man United that was I think Amrim said it in an interview we only want players here that want to play for Man United and you're going to keep a player that doesn't want to be here and then you're going to class it as a new midfield signing walking contradiction this football club they put their finger in the air and just see which way the wind's blowing I want Manu to stay but he actually doesn't want to be here this season he wants to go on loan so that's another midfielder that doesn't want to be here and you're not going to buy one.

21:51And then you're going to go, yay, we kept Manu. And I'm going to sit here and go, well, I'm happy Manu's staying, but he doesn't want to be here. Is that not a contradiction to what you said a month ago about you only want players that want to be here? He wants to be on the loan somewhere else. We've messed up big time. We've messed up big time with the midfield. And, you know, some people are like, I just want the window to close now. I wish it, I understand that, but it can't close without a midfield, but it's going to close without a midfield, isn't it? I find it absolutely incredible I completely agree with Palas We've messed up this transfer window If you've given it a 5 I think you're very generous You're a very generous person When we rank player ratings It's 6 for average It's 7 for good And it's going up When it's 5 it's below average When it's 4 it's poor I'm giving it a 4 at the moment I would love to see One of these Glazer Ineos Glazers In our fanbase try to justify this transfer window being a six.

22:49Even an average six, I would call bullshit. You're liars. It's not good enough. And in many ways, the board are sacking the manager they think they want to keep. You're sacking him with this transfer window. At some point, you are sacking him with this transfer window. And you can blame the media, and they'll do their job. And you can blame the Amaranauters and they'll do their job. But ultimately, it's Ineos and the Glazers that are sacking this manager because they haven't given him anywhere near enough. You look at that United side last season, it finished 15th and it got embarrassed in the Europa League.

23:27It needed a goalkeeper, a midfielder and the three that it's got. They've given him the three. Liverpool won the league, Arsenal came second and they've bought six or seven players.

23:42Absolutely shocking, really. Absolutely shocking. Even if we sign a midfielder like Baleba, if Bruno is the one playing alongside him, does that balance the midfield? I think Nikhil, that's a problem I'd like to have. You know, Bruno is a problem, but it's a problem I'd like to have actually having a new midfielder. We haven't even got it. We haven't even got it. Just Prime Edit says, I just don't understand why we do deals so slowly. Is it a tactic to extend it till tomorrow to calm the fans down? Yes. Yeah. There are so many things to unpick. The transfer window closes at seven o 'clock tomorrow.

24:16We'll be live at eight o 'clock with our transfer review show. And there is so much to unpick about not just deals that haven't been done, sales that haven't been done, but also the deals that got done late, not being ready for the start of the season, treating the first three games like pre-season again. We're not the only ones. Look at Newcastle. They've sat there with no strikers. They've got two points from nine. I've watched every Newcastle game and they should have nine from nine, but they haven't because they didn't buy a striker. It hurts you if you don't prepare for the start of the season and we haven't.

24:50Any other updates? I'm sure there will be other updates today and hopefully tomorrow. We will be live for those as well. We have an eight o 'clock show I'm sure we'll have a two o 'clock show but this morning it's about the goalkeeper a little bit about about Amram there um I'm off to watch football with Seb well I'm off to watch Seb play football um I am definitely on that's football later for Liverpool against Arsenal I have a great day I'll speak to you I'm sure very very soon uh stay safe and thank you very much for watching