186: The END! Amorim UNDER Huge Pressure!

0:00Hello, everybody. Good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United news. Probably should come with a warning. It's going to go off in here, let's be honest. And so it should. So it should. I welcome the comments because ultimately, I think you could almost say it's not going to get better. And leave it at that, because whether you stick with Amrim, I don't think it's going to get any better. And if you replace Amrim, I don't think it's going to get any better. Sometimes in life, and I feel like an echo chamber here because I said it with Ten Hag a year ago, sometimes you've got cancer and you're not going to get a cure.

0:37And I think people are always chasing a cure with Manchester United. What if we've got terminal cancer? What if that club is so toxic it can't be changed? Because I think we're always chasing change. And if someone's got a plan, please tell me. But what if we can't? We said it a year ago and here we are again. we make another change and we're again here in six months and you know to the people saying he's got to go tonight we need to change this that and the other are we not assuming that we've got a competent board CEO director of football there I mean are we now saying that we trust the ownership and that we trust the CEO and we trust the director of football are they not culpable themselves are they not the people who went we played 4-3-3 for our entire history let's bring a guy in who plays 3-4-3 and not give him the money You know, so sack the manager, don't sack the manager.

1:30Is it time to go? Is it time to stick? Is it actually going to get any better? And for those people who want change, do you trust these people to make the change? Because I still revert back to what I said when we had the opportunity to remove the glazes and remove the debt. I think that was the only escape plan. Look at Nice. Look at Sir Jim Radcliffe. He sat there yesterday. He's a lifelong Man United fan and he doesn't know what he's doing. I mean, lifelong Man United fan, and you don't actually look at the team and go, it needs a midfielder and a goalkeeper. Any one of you, if you're a billionaire and a United fan, would have bought both of those things.

2:05He's a lifelong Man United fan. He's not done it. What's Jason Wilcox's role in this as director of football? What's Omar Barada's role in this? We know what the Glazers are. They're a poison. So I think there's a lot to discuss this morning. The place I want to start is, is it the end? Is it time to go? And the honest answer is no, not at the moment. It isn't. It may well be, but it isn't. They're not going to sack him for losing to Man City and Arsenal. I don't think they'll even sack him if he loses to Chelsea. I think it will be early in the season. They're top four clubs. Let's stick with it.

2:39The pressure is going to build. I've seen from Pratust in the Manchester Evening News that I read it just before I went live, actually. Amorim continues to have the backing of Man United's hierarchy even after the club's worst season start in 33 years. A source close to Amorim described it as incredible that his job remains secure despite suffering 16 defeats in 31 league games. Ultimately, what that is, is a journalist making something up. I mean, he has an agenda anyway and he's making that up. No source close to Amorim, a player or the club is telling him anything. That's just the voices in his head again.

3:12I find it incredible that he's Manchester United's chief reporter at the Manchester Evening News when all he does is, you know, spew shit. But you know what? I ain't going to listen to that. I'm not going to focus on that. Of course, the club are going to back Amrim. We know that. And we know the start. We know the start's not been good enough. Where we go from here, I did a video last night because I just felt I couldn't wait for the 10 o 'clock show. I listened to a couple of things from Amrim and you can check that video out. Ultimately, there was another thing I forgot to say where he said that, you know, basically the performance was quite good.

3:47We've just lost a Manchester derby and it could have been 6-0. It wasn't good. It really, really wasn't. There's an implosion there. I have to say this early and I'm somewhat reluctant to do it, but I think in the interests of proper reporting and proper fair opinion, I have to say it. There's a lot of people this morning talking about Bruno Fernandes' interview after the game and they are championing it and they're saying it's brave and this, that and the other. I think it's the biggest load of bullshit cowardice I've ever seen from a Man United captain. And those are big words and I choose them selectively.

4:26I thought that was one of the worst. You know, Roy Keane got kicked out of the club for an MUTV interview when he criticised a couple of young players after a loss against Sunderland. Bruno Fernandes should be sold today. What Roy Keane did in that interview is nowhere near as bad as what Bruno Fernandes did yesterday. Basically lie, throw a young player under the bus to protect himself as captain of the club. I thought it was bloody disgusting. I've had to watch it three times and I've had to watch the goal 10 times to make sure what I'm about to say is correct. Because I've always been a backer of Bruno Fernandes and I still am.

5:02And as a number 10, I think that's his best position. But I cannot believe he stood there and said what he said after the game yesterday. He basically threw Lenny Yoroh under the bus and absolved himself of blame and blamed it on the defence. As the captain of Manchester United, I'm sorry if I saw that interview and I was a defender, I would be like, who the fuck are you, mate? Like, what are you doing? You're meant to be the captain. You're meant to be the leader. You had a shit game and you're stood there in front of the world, basically saying it wasn't my fault. It's the defence's fault. Disgusting.

5:37Absolutely disgusting. What he basically said is, we're creating the chances. We're not scoring the chances. I don't remember a clear-cut chance. I don't remember. I remember a bloody worldie from a worldie, a worldie save from a worldie shot from Mbermo. But I don't remember clear-cut chances. I don't remember that at all. He said, on the first goal, we've got to be more brave. and the interviewer, a fair play, said, you know, you were marking Foden. So what went there? He said, the defenders have got to jump. I basically, we've been told to press the opposition. So I've gone to press Rodri and basically I would expect Lenny to move forward.

6:17But Lenny goes backwards. We need to brave. We need to be brave and the centre backs need to jump. So what he basically says is on the first goal, he goes to press Rodri and Lenny Oro should jump forward and go for Foden. Now, admittedly, Bruno Fernandes is being interviewed after the game and probably hasn't watched the replay. I have. You have. He couldn't be more wrong. He couldn't be more wrong. It's like analysing a fight when you've not rewatched it. Like, he's absolutely misremembered what happened. So he's basically saying the first goal, he's pressing Rodri and that's why he leaves Foden and Jorreau should step forward.

6:58Watch the goal back. I'm not lying. Bruno couldn't be any further from Rodri. Agathe goes to press Rodri. Seshko and Ahmad are five metres away from Rodri. We've got every man behind the ball when Rodri has the ball. And Bruno is about 20 metres away, centre. centre. Rodri plays the ball into Doku. Bruno is nowhere near Rodri or Doku and Foden runs off the back of him. Yoro is marking Haaland. What Bruno is talking about on national TV throwing Yoro under the bus and saying I was pressing Rodri is a fantasy. It doesn't happen. He cannot do that as a captain. He cannot absolve himself of blame, making up a fantasy that never happened.

7:46Now in In his head, he might be thinking my instructions were to press Rodri and the centre-backs are meant to be pushing out. But on that specific moment that changed the game, he couldn't be further from the truth. And what he's actually done is protect himself and thrown Lenny Orro under the bus in front of the whole world. Roy Keane got bloody sacked for doing that. That's your captain. Does that portray leadership qualities for a captain who's basically covering his own arse and not even right and throwing a young player under the bus at the same time. This club is in a fucking mess. It's an absolute shit show.

8:25From top to bottom, we are not a team. And we are expected to find our way out of this when the captain of the club is throwing his teammates under the bus to protect himself. Absolutely disgusting. And people are actually sharing that interview. Oh my God, is this not a reflection of how clips can be taken out of context? People are sharing that. I've had that sent to me about five times and I listened to it and I went, you do realise he's talking bollocks? And they were like, oh no, he's not. He's not. He's talking the truth. He's basically saying that the midfield's getting swamped because the centre-backs aren't stepping forward.

9:05Is it? Is it? I think if Casemiro and Agate just sat there, we'd be in a lot better position. I think two midfielders are absolutely fine if one of them knows what they're fucking doing. He doesn't know what he's doing. And on the goal, watch it back. I'll leave it there. Watch it back. There ain't no way that's Lenny Oro's fault. And if he thinks he's pressing Rodri, I may as well have been pressing Rodri. He's bloody miles away. Disgusting. Disgusting. But the reason I bring that up is one, so many people are sharing it and it's inaccurate. And two, he's the captain of the bloody club. That's the guy we're looking to for inspiration, leadership, camaraderie and collective let's get together.

9:44And I can't believe it. I really can't believe it. I think it's bang out of order and I can't believe it didn't get picked up on on TV last night. It's wrong. It's absolutely wrong. But look, I needed to get that out because otherwise people are just sharing it all over the place and it's completely wrong. And you know what? In a way, it's almost like Amram thinks it's true, because I think Lenny Yorre was thrown under the bus last night. I don't know why he got subbed off. And, you know, this is a young player that we stole from Real Madrid and now we're burning him. I mean, what's that all about?

10:18What is it about burning our youngsters at this football club that we love to do it? We used to nurture and protect them. Now we're burning them in front of the world. Ridiculous. But look, I've said my piece on Bruno. Put him at number 10. Bring a proper captain in. We'd be all right. But as the leader of the team in the centre midfield, he ain't got a bloody clue what he's doing. Also, I would also say I watched the Fulham goal back. I watched the second Burnley goal back. They're both on him. Not marking his man on the second Burnley goal. Not marking his man on the Fulham goal. And, you know, the Fulham goal was a cross.

10:53There's no pressing to do from a cross. So it's just not working. It's not working. And what needs to go is Bruno as a midfielder. It has to go. And Amrim is responsible for that. And it's not going to work. and we can talk about centre-back stepping into the midfield. The first goal from Manchester City, you couldn't have had a better shape. Everybody's behind the ball. Sheshko is five metres from Rodri. Ahmad's tucked in. Embermo's tucked in. We've got the midfield two. We've got the back five. That first goal has got absolutely nothing to do with anything. What's this?

11:30What am I reading here? This better not be true.

11:43Nice. God, thank God. There's somebody in the chat.

12:13Sorry, I'm just, I'm just, I think, I think we'll leave that for now. Cause I think it's a, it's just a rumor at this stage, but yeah, it's all right. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right. We'll get back to the show. So, yeah, look, I think that where we are this morning is that... Sorry, that really did rock me. I thought it was something that's not true, so I'm not going to say it. So it's not true. It's fine. Somebody basically reported that Arjen Robin had passed away, but it's not true. But it looked like it was going that way for a little bit, and I was just in a bit of shock. But not true.

13:02It's not been sacked. Just on that, though, to bring it back. Jude, I would always say to anybody that wants Amrim to be sacked, like I would always say about Man United, it would not surprise me. Like nothing surprises me about this football club. It would not surprise me. I don't think it's I'd be 99 percent sure it's not going to happen. But, you know, Amrim's volatile. You look at those interviews last night, he's volatile. He's going to stick to his guns. He's stubborn. He's going to stick with Bruno in the midfield. And obviously that's going to be a problem. We've got a real problem at Manchester United.

13:35And that's why on the thumbnail we've got time to go, Amrim and Bruno, because that relationship has got to end. To save himself, he has to end that relationship. it's a really toxic environment at Manchester United and that relationship is causing it and I like Bruno and I like Amarin but somebody tell me that that's working because it's not whether you love Bruno whether you love Amarin whether you dislike them both that is not working and I'm not lying Roy Keane got sacked by Sir Alex Ferguson for basically doing what Bruno Fernandes has just done he's come out on national TV you can't even watch that Roy Keane interview he's come out on national TV defended himself over the team and he's not even telling the truth.

14:16And he's also thrown Lenny Uro under the bus. It's not acceptable. That's not acceptable. And that's on Amorim. That's not, that is on Amorim. A lot of you have said about Bruno, he's a petulant captain. He's all about himself. It's never his fault. It's always someone else's fault. He can cause a goal and then someone else does a bad pass and he's thrown his arms in the air. That is not a good captain for this football club at this moment in time. I don't know whether there's anybody else, but that is not what we need at this moment in time. We need someone who brings everybody together. We need somebody who's going to be accountable.

14:50We need somebody who does their job well. And I've always said that about Man United, whether you're Gary Neville, Nemanja Vidic, Roy Keane, like when you're a captain of Man United, you've got to be the best player on the pitch. You've got to lead by example. The minute, look at Harry Maguire, look at Bruno Fernandes, too many bad games as captain. You can't inspire when you're having a bad game. And also players look at social media, players listen. And when players are seeing Bruno or Harry Maguire getting slated for bad performances, they're not going to respect them. And they're not going to respect him for what he's just said there.

15:23He should come out and apologise for it. It's not fair. It's not right. But, but he doesn't pick himself. He doesn't put himself in the midfield and he doesn't take the armband himself. We begged him to stay. We refused£90 million to put him in our midfield. Somebody made that decision. They have to be accountable. And in the absence of information, you have to say it's on Amorim. Of course it is. And what we end up with is a football club that's lost two of its first four games. We've got a manager who's being ridiculously stubborn. And we've got a captain that won't take any blame. This is not going to get any better, is it?

16:04I know it and you know it. So you're left in a situation where what do you do? If it's not going to get any better and he's eventually going to get sacked, what's happening next? That's where I'm at because he's definitely sacking himself if he goes down this route. The next manager comes in. Bruno's the captain again. Where is he going to play this time? What are we going to do? Is there any money left? There wasn't enough money for Amrim's project. There was a bit, but there wasn't enough. Will there be any for a new project? How much will it cost us to sack Amarim? Who will we bring in next?

16:40It's a mess. It's a mess. And that's where I'm looking at it at the moment. With every manager, the gap they get is less. Amarim's not even been here a year until November. He's been here 10 months. 10 months. Ten Hag was here for just over two years. Oli was here for two and a half years. Mourinho was here for two and a half years. It's coming down all the time. Like, what's next? And the big question for me is, if we sack Amarim, why are we not talking about sacking Barada? Why are we not talking about sacking Wilcox? Why are Ineos getting off with it? I mean, in fairness, Amarim is well documented.

17:23And can I just say thank you to everybody who watched the video last night, because I think people have finally got it. The formation chat is irrelevant. You're wasting oxygen. He's got to change the formation. No, he hasn't. If you want to change the formation, you've got to change the manager. That's the conversation now. Nobody can keep talking about he's got to change the formation. If you want a 4-3-3, you've got to change the manager. There's no point going, get this manager to go to a 4-3-3. So I think we've finally hit that. But what comes next? You know, I think that if we do sack Amorim, there has to be culpability in relation to the ownership who, hello, who else here when they appointed Amorim went, what?

18:06What? Excited what? But I did go what? We always play 4-3-3. You've brought a manager in that won't do it. So we're now going to go from a club that has always played a back four. So we're the manager that's going to play a 3-4-3 every week. We've never done it. We don't have the players that can do it. So we're clearly going to spend about a billion over the next two years or three years. and then we go and spend 250 in the first year. I think that's on Ineos. I think that's on the Glazers. I think that decision is ridiculous, you know? And if it falls flat on its face, yes, Amrim will be the guy that gets sacked, but he will be recompensed.

18:50He will be very wealthy and he will get a job elsewhere. I think that to put all of this on the manager is preposterous. Surely it's preposterous. We have to analyse this mistake and go, and because it is a mistake, whether he gets sacked or not, at this moment in time, it is a massive mistake. Who is to blame for that mistake? Well, come on, let's get real. Who's to blame for the mistake? The person that comes in and underperforms or the people that think he would perform. And I look at it and I go, I was massively excited about Amorim and I still hope that he can turn it around. But we're staring down the barrel of a huge mistake here.

19:32What were they thinking? What were they thinking? And unfortunately, there are no glazer out movements anymore because it's all been cancelled, you know, because people wanted it to be cancelled because we might sign the Labour. We didn't. But when I look at the global position of Manchester United, it keeps getting worse. It's European week this week. We're not in it. We finished 15th. we're now in the bottom half of the table again it's getting worse it's actually we're actually getting what they used to be big protests and big glazer out movements it's never been so bad and nothing's happening we are getting worse and when i look at inios they never should have done this deal whatever you think of them they never should have done this deal they never should have got into bed with the glazers they're actually worse than the glazers working with the glazers Like he's come into the club, Sir Jim He appointed the best director of football in the world Spent money getting him out of Newcastle Sacked him Spent£300 million on Ten Hag Sacked him Replaced him with a guy that plays a completely different system Gives him£250 million Probably going to sack him Director of football is a guy from Southampton with no experience I mean, is he doing a good job?

20:51CEOs from Man City who was a COO Is he doing a good job? Like everything they've took Sacked half the workforce Everything's a bloody mess And you know Iriola at Bournemouth I can't believe by the way People are talking about Nuno from Forest I mean do your fucking homework For the love of God You will lose your shit playing the way he plays You will absolutely lose your shit do yourself a favour and do some bloody research. No Man United fan is going to enjoy Nuno as a Man United manager. Absolutely not. I don't even know what people are thinking about even mentioning that name. But even if you went with Nuno, Areola, Areola, Xavi, do you genuinely think we're going to be back in this position?

21:44Yeah, I do. I really do. Because what will happen is the next manager will come in and everyone will say, we need this, this, this, and this, and you'll get that, and you won't get this, this, and this. Regardless of what you think about Amorim, we did need an experienced goalkeeper. We did need a midfielder. We didn't do it. We did need a right wing back. We haven't got it. Like, whoever comes in, unless they're coming in with Ron Weasley and Hermione and they've got a fucking wand with a pair of glasses and a scar on their head, they ain't going to produce the magic that's needed because the club is not running properly.

22:21And I completely agree with everything everybody is saying in the chat about Amirim. Of course I do. Only an idiot wouldn't. Like, he is in a very, very precarious position. And I don't see it getting any better at this moment in time because the evidence is there. If we go and beat Chelsea 4-0 on Saturday, you might start to think maybe. But right here, right now, Roy Keane put it perfectly last night. All you've got is hope. There's no belief. So I can't sit here and say this is going to get better because I don't think it is. But I don't think it's going to get better if we sack him. I genuinely think this might be a cancer at the football club where there is no cure.

23:01And what's the cancer? I don't think the manager's the cancer, by the way. I never have. I never thought Mourinho was. I never thought Van Gaal was. I never thought Oli was. I never thought Ten Hag was. They may have needed sacking, but I never thought they were the problem. I really didn't. And I don't think Amorim's the problem. I think it's the decision makers that are the problem. As I said, many people might have looked at it and gone, to bring Amorim to Manchester United, you need a billion and three years. You haven't got a billion and he won't get three years. And I think that's true. So that's what scares me the most now is that it's almost like with every new manager, the time they get is less, but logically they need longer.

23:48Like we probably do need a Sir Alex who came in in 86 and basically had four years before he won a trophy and started to build a title winning side. I mean, I don't know what we expect from a new manager because I think we're just so far off. I mean, Bruno's had, for me, the way I look at it is I look at certain players, Luke Shaw, he's been absolutely shit. Like every goal we've conceded since the Europa League final, he's virtually got some sort of role in it. Like if he was an FPL player for the opposition, he'd have loads of assist points. but unfortunately he's our centre-back. Bruno was bigging him up in his interview.

24:35You know, Luke Shaw can do this, Luke Shaw can do that. He can't do shit, he's rubbish. And it's not 1986, Baz, you're absolutely correct. You won't get the time. But, you know, when I look at changing managers and we probably will end up doing it again, when I walk into a football club as a new manager and I see a player like Luke Shaw that's been managed by God knows how many managers and he's still here, and that's true for Bruno, it's true for Maguire, it's true for a few players. When I've got players that have been here for three or four managers, I'm instantly saying, I don't care how good they are, get rid of them and if Sir Jim says why, I say because they're indoctrinated into failure.

25:15They're used to failure, they're used to sacking managers. I don't need that mentality here, I don't care how good they are, they're obviously not that good if they've sacked so many managers And I'm not saying they're to blame, but it's not the mentality I want. These people are not leaders. They should not be on the leadership team. Why are they on the leadership team? They shouldn't be here. And I'm happy to bring them into the room and say, thank you for what you've done at the football club, but I'm getting rid of you for this reason. You may well be a good player, but I don't want players that have sacked multiple managers because I think psychologically it makes you weak and you can't be part of where I'm going.

25:52Look at our leadership team now. Most of them. What is it? Deleuwe? Deleuwe was bought by Jose. Luke Shaw was bought by Van Gaal. Maguire and Bruno were bought by Oli. Our leadership team is full of people who've sacked multiple managers.

26:18Make it make sense. Make it make sense. I want to get into some of your comments before I go back to a couple of other things. Sarvesh says, if we sack another manager, we might as well keep sacking the next one after that as a long-term vision to fuck off the Glazers from the club. Sarvesh, look, sack a manager, stick with a manager, bring a new manager in, get excited. We can keep going on the hamster wheel. It's a cycle. My belief is, and it has been for a very long time because I don't believe in not offering a solution, the Glazers need to go. The Glazers need to go. And with them, Ineos probably need to go.

26:52You need new owners to come in who are ruthless, have the best interests of the club at heart and have the money to take us where we need to go. That is the only rescue plan. It's the same one as two years ago. And anybody that doesn't agree with that is living in a fantasy world. It's a fantasy. It's not a reality. We're not turning this ship around. It will not change. On Wednesday, our financial figures are going to come out. I guarantee you they're going to be terrifying. They should be coming out on Halloween because they will scare the shit out of you. The club is on its arse and it's basically waiting for a miracle.

27:28I know this. I know people in the club. Ruben Amram even hinted at it last night. In his interview, he said, you won't believe some of the stuff that's been going on at the club over the last six months. You don't know about the stuff. It is a mess, an absolute mess. And the The quickest way to solve the mess is not actually to sack the manager or sell the players. It's to bring in ownership that removes the problems that are there, that is relentless. I mean, look, to be honest with you, I don't like to say it, but if we could have the last two years that Chelsea have had, we'd be fine. If we had Todd Bowley coming in with that money, finding ways to get money into the club, obsessed with being successful, that's what United need.

28:10Now, some people don't like that type of ownership. Fair play. It's all about opinion. But that's what Man United need. They need, I mean, look, Chelsea were in the shit under Abramovich at the end. Look at where they are now. Because they're focused on winning. That's all they're bothered about. Where can we get money into this club? Where can we get money into this club? Where can we get money into this club? It's a mess. And you know what? It's hilarious that United are obsessed with building a new stadium. And your fan base is absolutely sick to the back teeth. Like we're fed up. We're not motivated.

28:45We're absolutely fed up. The only change that matters is ownership, but that won't happen, will it? So we'll have to keep going round this bloody fairground bullshit of change the manager, change the manager, change the manager. and you know, what's next? What is next? Will it change? I don't even know where Sir Jim Radcliffe and Joel Glazer pitch United now, actually. I don't even know what they want. Maybe they just want us to be sixth. Maybe they just want sixth for the next five years while they build the stadium. I don't know what they want. I don't know. Maybe that is the standard of United.

29:19Maybe Nuno coming in and making us finish seventh with shit football is actually going to be good enough. I don't know. I don't know. I think we have very different opinions of where Man United should be compared to our ownership, even our players. Right. I've got to catch up on some of your comments because I'll just keep going through mine.

29:40Sorry, there's a good question here. Why don't you think they'll sack him? I think this is a great question. And I don't think you'll get it from journalists who are not going to say the truth. They won't sack him, because if they sack him, INEOS are dead. Here's what happened when one journalist reported on DEI programs. I decided to just focus on the University of Michigan. I obtained internal documents that showed that the school had spent about a quarter of a billion dollars on DEI programs. I spent two weeks in Ann Arbor talking to everybody I could find. The unintended consequences of these programs, they had sort of left everybody dissatisfied.

30:20And this expensive machinery the school had built just imploded. If you're a journalist, you are not on anyone's team. All you're trying to do is figure out as many of the facts as you can gather. The facts are going to guide you to where the story lands. You're not taking sides. I'm Nick Confessori. I'm an investigations reporter for The New York Times. Journalists like Nick follow the facts wherever they lead. They go where news breaks, get answers firsthand, and publish what they find. That's fact-based reporting. Seek it out if you don't already.

31:12Basically, they're dead. They would go down as, you know, worse than the glazers. Like they've been here for 18 months, they've spent half a billion and they've sacked both the managers. We would be in a position where basically in less than 12 months, we've had three managers and we've spent half a billion. When you think about it, last summer, well, just over 12 months. Last summer, we spent 300 million. We've just spent another 200 million. So half a billion spent in just over 12 months, three managers. All right, rude wizard interim. But, well, the new manager would be a new manager, wouldn't it?

31:51So that would be three managers. So, and that's all on Ineos. That's all trust, all hope, all respect in the mud. They're finished. If Ineos sack Amorim, they're fucked. They're absolutely fucked. They've absolutely fucked it. Worse than the Glazers ever did when it comes to managers. Mourinho had two and a half years. Ten Hag had two and a half years. Oli had two and a half years. They've given Ten Hag three months and Amrim ten. That's why they won't do it, because they've made such a big statement on Amrim. They can't. They can sack him, but they know it's going to make them look really inept because that's what will happen.

32:42Um, has anyone, how anyone can champion a player that, um, captained a 7-0 loss to our biggest rivalries beyond me. He sums it up. Worst captain ever, says Rhys. Look, I didn't like it when it was said that Bruno wanted to sub himself off after the Anfield game or during the Anfield game. He didn't. He would never do that. And I think Bruno always gives 100%. And I like Bruno as a 10. But I think what he said after that interview, after the game yesterday, is disgusting. it's not what we need to hear and it's wrong he's actually factually wrong I don't know what he thinks happened but it didn't happen like that and to bring Lenny Yorreau into it is just not even if even if you know what even if he was right even if he was pressing Rodri and Yorreau should have stepped up which he which is completely fantasy even if that was true a captain of Man United shouldn't say that after a Manchester derby a captain of Manchester United shouldn't say that after Sunderland.

33:38He should keep that to himself. He should go into the dressing room and say, shut the door. Right. First goal. I've gone there. You should have gone there. Don't do it again because it's cost us the game. In there. Not to national TV. No. Jay says, he says he won't change his system. Everyone knows how we'll play, making it easy for every good team to procure against us. Plus Bruno headaches as Jay. We lost because Shaw, Bruno and Maguire didn't track runners. That's not fault of the system. That's just ineptitude. Amrim's only fault is his obsession with Bruno and it will get him sacked. Ami, if I could frame it, I think you've just owned it.

34:18I said this, I don't know whether I said it to you or I said it to somebody last night, but I think that in life, when something's really bad, people just start throwing mud. and they think the more mud they throw, the more will stick. There is one issue. It's on the thumbnail. It's that relationship. It's Bruno and Amrim. And we go back to June where we could have took the money and 75 % of you said take the money. And you were right. And you're also right when you said this could be the decision that costs him his job. It's the hill he could die on. And it is true. And there are other issues in that club.

34:59I mean, I've got a massive list of stuff and I'll do some of the videos throughout the week because we said, you know, we've got to scrutinise massively. We're playing one game a week. We have to scrutinise more than just one thing. But I'm telling you now, stick Casemiro where Bruno is and he'll just sit there and he'll do the job. What is it we get from Bruno in the midfield? Ask yourself that question. Go beyond Look Aram is responsible Bruno isn't good enough But why is it happening? We've literally It's cost us three goals This season already Three goals in four games Have been because of Bruno In that position What's the upside?

35:41The upside is Is a brilliant passer of the ball Okay Did I see any brilliant passing Yesterday that makes me think It's worth it No I didn't I would rather have Agate and Mainu or Mainu and Casemiro or Agate and Casemiro I'd rather have those two players sit and do the job of a double pivot than put Bruno there for his brilliant passing because all I actually see from Bruno is a 50-yard ball out to Masraoui I don't really see anything from that position that makes me go we're on to something here I don't see the upside I don't see the brilliant leadership and I don't see an amazing array of passing that we absolutely have.

36:27And if we had the amazing array of passing and leadership, you might go, okay, he's costing us goals, but we're scoring goals. I don't see the correlation between putting a player out of position in the midfield and taking the bad side of that because the positives outweigh it. I just don't see it. And that is on the manager. Bruno's crap in the midfield. It's not necessarily his fault. It's a specialist position. But Amrim's obsession with it is wrong. And he told us we're wrong after the game yesterday. He is wrong because factually it's costing us goals. And factually, in my opinion, there isn't an upside.

37:05There's an upside when Bruno's in position, but in that position he's not. And I look at the game yesterday and I go, OK, Agate is pressing the pass from Rodri. Sure, should Pat tackle Doku. And the deflect, you know, it's not a good cross by Doku. It deflects off Agate onto bloody Foden's head. There's an element of luck. But I'm telling you now, if that's Manu or Casemiro and they haven't tracked that Foden run. Then at least I'm having a conversation about this is why we should have bought a midfielder. with Bruno not tracking the run well we should have bought a midfielder but also if we'd bought a midfielder Bruno would still be there and that's why I don't use the excuse of not buying a midfielder because if it's Manu or Casemiro losing Foden and losing Smith Rowe it shows you we should have bought a midfielder but if it's Bruno losing it we've got two other midfielders on the bench and you're still not picking them over him.

38:04So for me, that's the issue here. We should be picking two midfielders because if they get exposed, it exposes the fact that we didn't buy one. But you can't use that excuse when you're putting a number 10 in as a number eight. And that's the big problem for me. We lost that. Thank you, Ami. Very good point. Somnath says the reset never happened. Managers always trusting the wrong players. Ralph Lottranjic along with Ten Hag and an ownership like Qatar was the hope. Yeah, you know, I've sort of touched on that some, Naf. And the eight o 'clock show, I'm sort of working on something that's visual, which I think you'll appreciate.

38:41But the leadership team is full of people. I like Maguire. I like Bruno. I think Luke Shaw at one time was a very good left back, but he's been shit. The weird thing about Luke Shaw is that when he used to come back from injury, he'd look really good, then he'd get injured. This time he's not getting injured, but he looks really shit. I don't think he's had a good game since he came back, but he hasn't been injured. It's weird. But all these leaders are from a... I don't get what they're going to lead, you know? Where does the centre midfield squad, Casemiro, Bruno, Agate, Menuh, actually rank against the other 19 teams?

39:19Are we really shocked, says Avi. I think this is a great point as well. I think this is a really good point. We're getting some really good comments in. You know what? I think I tweeted it last night as well. It's a really great point because beyond manager, beyond players, beyond ownership, if I said to you, look at that Man United first 11, is it actually any good? It's certainly not better than Spurs. It's not better than Newcastle. And it's definitely not better than the top four. So it's not in the top six anyway. We're not a top 16. regardless of what you think about the ownership and their culpability and the manager and the players that's not a top 16 it isn't 4-3-3-3-4-3-5-3-2 it just simply isn't it's it's not Newcastle have a better team and team is not about individuals it's about the collective and I you know if I was playing a 4-3-3 right Beinder or Lemens in goal sorry Newcastle have I've got a better goalkeeper straight away.

40:26Sorry. Back four, Deleuze or Masraoui. Trippier. I think Trippier's better. I think he offers more. I don't think he's individually better than Masraoui, but I think he offers more in the Premier League. Left back, Liveramento's better than what we've got. Centre backs, I like Deleuze and Yoroui. Maybe they would be better than Schar and Bottman or Bern, but it's, you know, collectively, probably not. Midfield, forget about it. They've got a better midfield. I can't even construct one. Front three, Volta Meda, Anthony Gordon, Alanga versus Sheshko, Embermo, Kunja. All right, there might be a bit of a debate there, but Newcastle are a better team than us.

41:12What more evidence do you want? Even if we play a 4-3-3, Newcastle are better than us. And this is what I mean about formation. We can change. If I was manager of Man United, by the way, when I'm doing my career mode, this week, I'll be playing a 4-3-3 because that's what I do. But let's not kid ourselves that going to a 4-3-3 makes us a top six team. It very much doesn't. That team actually cannot be constructed into a team that's better than Newcastle. It can't. And one of the two glaring errors are the goalkeeper is shit and the midfield is shit. I can probably compete defensively and with a front three, but I can't compete with a midfield and a goalkeeper.

41:54Spurs are the same. Their midfield shit's all over us. Front three, you could argue, maybe we're as good, maybe we're not. Defensively, I think they've got a better back forward, to be fair. Goalkeeper, Vicario is better than what we've got. And that, you know, we're not even talking Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal. So Spurs and Newcastle are better teams with us, no matter what team we pick, no matter What formation we pick? That. Who do you blame for that?

42:25I don't know. I think. I don't know. Why is it our team is not better than Spurs and Newcastle? I don't know. Yeah. Play 3-4-3 without Bruno in the midfield and see what happens. I can't even play a 3-4-3, mate. I'd be shit at it. I'll give it a go for a laugh.

42:46let me get through some of your comments here because there's been a few uh makele says i can't be asked uh with the club owners not coming out and speaking about what's the plan just some leaks here and there no real leadership it's a joke says makele uh martin saunders says amram is not the problem it's the ownership and the personnel even danny murphy wrote an article about it on the bbc and danny murphy is normally anti-united um hi mark hope you're well i'm amram at the moment but if by christmas we've lost at least five let me just run a poll on that actually i i don't like doing well actually i'll lie i don't care i do care and i don't not like doing it i think it's actually an open goal i've missed amram in amram out for now not not christmas just right here right now are you amram in or are you amram out uh good morning everyone just like ollie's obsession with mctominy amram will sack himself with his obsession of bruno uh that was from brian valid opinion thank you very much patrick lynch is in the house he's normally the uh voice of reason.

43:44Let's see. Feels ominous. Amram is only one unacceptable result away from being sacked. It's not the City, Arsenal or Chelsea results like Oli and Jose and Ten Hag. It's the Watford West Ham results that sack him. Yes, I think, Patrick, you are the voice of reason. After Chelsea, we've got Brentford and Sunderland. They could easily beat us. Next international break could be very interesting. If we took the 100 million for Bruno, where would we be now, says Nick? Like, well, we didn't. We didn't want to. But, I mean, I'll repeat what I said. And knowing the market now, if Bruno was taken out and 90 million came in, you know that that's got nothing to do with Kunja, Seshko and Mbamo because we got them whilst keeping Bruno.

44:34So I've already got Kunja, Seshko and Mbamo. With that 90 million, I could have got Martinez and I could have got probably Junglen, possibly Belaber, possibly Wharton, comfortably a Conor Gallagher, someone like that. So basically, I'd take Bruno out the team to bring in an experienced goalkeeper and a midfielder. Would I be in a better position? I think so. I do. I do. And people say we're worse without Bruno, and we are. But is he a good captain? I think he might be the best captain we've got, potentially. But listening to what he was saying last night, I don't know whether he is a good captain anymore.

45:27I don't know. I was quite surprised by what he said. Nate says, I'm Amramin, but something changed in optimism yesterday after a weak performance. I just don't see a way forward for the season and I'm tired of Bruno at eight. Nate, look, I've got to bring this in. I've got to bring this in. I think it's a really good point. I've seen more and more people saying it and obviously it's a conspiracy theory, but more and more people are saying, do you think he's trying to get the sack? I don't think he's trying to get the sack, but he might be unhappy and he might be unhappy to a point where he thinks he can't do the job and you know what if he gets the sack he gets a big payout so I don't know I don't know as I said if if if things get worse and he did want the sack which is a very speculative conspiracy theory by the way and I don't think it's true I have to say sticking Harry Maguire in one-on-ones with Erling Haaland on the halfway line for the last 20 minutes, to me, was a letter of resignation.

46:35I've never seen anything so stupid in all my life. I just couldn't get my head around it. I thought he would put Harry Maguire right-sided centre-back and keep De Ligt central. And he moves De Ligt to the right and leaves Maguire in a one-on-one against Haaland. I mean, I just couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it. Amory will be sacked by New Year when we're around 15th and due to his obsession with Bruno, he's becoming the most undisciplined player in the squad. United should have forced him out, says Rohith. Yeah, look, Rohith, I think what people need to remember is, and I would implore everybody to do this, I think it's so important.

47:10If you want to change the formation, you need to be Amrim out. He won't change the formation. So you've got to be Amrim out with that. And if you are Amrim out, fine. But if you are Amrim out, Please, please do not think that changing the manager is the problem because the same problems will exist. Whether it's players who can't be arsed, who aren't good enough and don't take any responsibility. Whether it's an ownership that are totally responsible for this situation because they did it. Or whether it's a board that seems ridiculously naive. Look at the summer transfer window. Amrim does not have a veto.

47:52Ten Hag had a veto to say, we can't do that, we're doing this. That board sat there collectively, whoever's in it, Berada, Wilcox, Favell, Amerim, they all sat there together and decided this was the way to go. Therefore, it's shared responsibility. I don't know what went on, but they collectively begged Bruno to stay. I don't know what went on, but they collectively decided not to get an experienced goalkeeper or a midfielder. And I'm sorry, if you're going to sack Amorim, at some point you've got to look at sacking Barada and Wilcox because they have presided over more problems than Amorim. They were here for the money for Ten Hag.

48:36They were here for sacking Ten Hag. They were here for Amorim. So look, it runs deeper than just the coach. Like there are people making decisions at that football club that are costly as much as the manager. and we need to move past thinking that changing the manager is going to change the course of this football club. If they're going to make changes, I think it has to go bigger than that. I think you've got to look at your CEO. I think you've got to look at your director of football because it's a shambles at the moment and it's a collective shambles. That's the board Sir Jim insisted on. So it's collective.

49:14And as I said, with Wilcox and Barada, they've been here longer than Amrim. They've actually caused more shit than him. So they either collectively get out of this or they collectively get out. And I think it has to go beyond the manager here. And of course, the book stops at the real place, which is the top. Evan says, I don't believe Amram is the right guy. I understand he has a preferred formation, but every manager needs to adapt. Listen to Pep about adapting, says Evan. Will you have to be Amram out then? Because he's not going to adapt. I haven't got a problem with what you're saying, Evan, at all But I think this is why I say it's low IQ And moronic to keep talking about the formation But people aren't listening I'm not saying you're wrong If I was in charge, I would play a 4-3-3 So I can't say that 3-4-3 is the way we should be doing it That's not what I'm saying I would play a 4-3-3 That's the formation I like But what is low IQ about it?

50:15is not offensive because he will not change that. He's said it so many times. He is not going to change it. So ex-players, fans, pundits, media saying he's got to change the formation. He's not going to. It's like being in a car heading towards a cliff as a passenger and you're saying to the driver, you need to change direction. You're going to go off a cliff. and he says or she says, I'm not changing formation. I'm not changing direction. And you're hurtling towards the cliff. If you stay in the car, you're a moron. Jump. Jump. And jump means being hammering out. You can't say I'm hammering in, but he needs to change the formation because he is not going to do it.

51:05So the formation chat, the system chat is irrelevant because he won't do it. So if that's your issue, you have to be Amram out and you don't need to feel guilty about it because that's the reason you are, that he's not going to change it. So that's why I say it's low IQ. I don't really want to talk about it because he won't change it. So you have to be Amram out because he won't change his formation. If you think it's a formation problem, you have to be Amram out because he won't change it. I'm Amram in, by the way, like 59 % of you, which is a low score. I'm still hammering him in because I personally don't think it's formational.

51:42I don't think it's system. I think it's really about putting square pegs in round holes and being stubborn. I genuinely think that for 20 minutes we were okay yesterday. And I think there's a cup, there's probably three selections that are killing him. Bruno in the midfield, Luke Shaw at left centre back and the goalkeeper. I think those three areas are a joke. And I think that that's the problem. Luke Shaw is costing us a lot of goals. And Bruno is a bloody nightmare in the midfield. But if you are somebody that's just desperate to see him get sacked, I would say you might not be waiting that long.

52:24I think things could definitely get worse. I don't think they're going to get better. I don't actually think they're going to get better with a new manager either, because I think the biggest problem at this football club are the players and the manager, and they always survive. They're like cockroaches. I mean, somebody said to me, someone messaged me yesterday and said, Luke Shaw is like a cockroach. I actually thought, I won't say what I said, but like he just survives. I'm so tired of the same ridiculous excuses from the players. I don't think there's a single manager alive that can get better out of this squad with that midfield to Stefano.

52:58It wasn't the time at United for experimenting with mad systems. We're trying to sprint before we can crawl with broken legs. Amrim Sack and himself says Jim Jam. Yeah, you've got to go back to that decision to go to a 3-4-3 from the owners and go, it was exciting, but was it wild? Yes. The only thing that needs to change is Amrim needs to win. Talk all you want about tactics. Yeah, the only way, absolutely, Shaz. And that's why I'm not Amrim out, because I still think that there is a way out of this. But he's got to be right. When everybody else is wrong, he's got to be right. or is everybody else right and he's wrong?

53:35If he's wrong, he's gone. If he's right, he'll survive. And that's basically it. It's obvious to me Bruno's head is gone. He's always been emotional and belligerent, but it's gotten worse. And to play centre midfield in a World Cup year, he's pissed off, says Chip. I think Bruno was very close to going to Saudi. And I think time and time again, players that have had their head turned tend to, you know, drop. Amateur hour, chaotic defending, clueless attack, no aggression, crosses without an address. It's hard to see rational plan with this system and this set of players, says Marleau. We was in the box and Bruno never pressed anyone.

54:13He slowly jogged and watched the ball. That's our captain, says JR. Why is there no heat on Wilcox? Man thought the lap was good enough to be first preference. Look, was he? I think you're right. Why is Wilcox getting a free ride? Why is Barada getting a free ride? Why are they, you know why are people saying sack the manager tonight as if they trust the ownership to do the right thing like it's not just the manager it's not just the players there's there's huge problems at the football club i remember in 2008 we had nine international captains in our team leaders everywhere what happens is lazy i love amrin but is chelsea a must win now i think i think i think you're right i think you have to beat chelsea on on saturday visco you can't lose yeah yeah what is it that makes Oli Ten Hag Amarin play Maguire Rashford Bruno even when they're not performing is it player FC in charge as Savish Goody says if transfers were done at the start of pre-season and Amarin played Bruno in attack where do you think we would be in the table now I think Arsenal were there to be get a draw out of and I think Man City were there to get a draw out of and I think Fulham were there to be beat I think we'd have eight points instead of four Pogba Rashford Anthony McTominay are the problems his class of 99 that's sarcasm FT welcome to the members club thank you very much Stern says there's no cheat code there's no one system to rule them all you have to be able to adapt Amram has shown nothing to suggest he's a top coach so far well he has at sporting remember Amram wanted Ollie Watkins and Emmy Martinez was overruled this this Nice.

55:55Red, thank you very much.

56:01Our players looked lost. First half was just Bruno and others constantly pointing fingers, telling each other where to stand and press, says Sean. But even if Bruno's right pointing at where players need to be, he then doesn't go and track Foden. So as a player, you sort of like go, what are you telling me to do?

56:22another thing I don't understand is why change centre-backs every game what's the point of that says Evan Whelan the defence well it doesn't change centre-backs every game I don't know what I don't know what where that came from like Luke Shaw De Ligt and Yoro have been our back three for every game haven't they Arsenal Burnley Man City Fulham I think I think they have been our back three. The defence needs Martinez. It does, Sir Alex, but he's injured. The team needs Kunya, but he's injured. But Man City had a load of injuries yesterday. Suraj says, is it not low IQ to play two wrong players in the formation?

56:58Possibly, yeah. People complain, but what can he change? The culture must change first, and that means more punishment like yesterday, says Jahid. Luke Shaw is the Varys of Manchester United, peddling, says Sacks. Sacking Amrim, you have to sack Wilcox and Favreau didn't Amrim want a right wing back Belaber and Watkins because he knew what was needed we went with three attacking players says Harry the crazy thing is we're already in the manager is going to sack himself phase says Big Z what I will say is and obviously there'll be NDAs but I think when Amrim gets sacked if he gets sacked and once his NDA is over you'll really understand what a fuck up the last six months has been I'm reading between the lines as well with a lot of it but I think a lot of things have happened that he's not happy with and it might be simple things like wanting martinez over lemans um it might be wanting a midfielder over two number tens but i think with amram there's an there's a shitload of stuff that's gone wrong um and that's where the real digging should be but it might take a while for that to come out um thank you everybody for watching um we're back at two o 'clock it's gonna be a good show at two because i know it's not me it's beth and i know she's got a lot of things to say as well.

58:15Take care, everyone. Terry's live now as well if you want to go and carry on the conversation. Really good comments. I don't think there's a wrong thing to say, really, apart from wishing that we need to change the formation because that's changing the manager. I think things are going to get worse. I've said this a couple of times over the last few years. I don't necessarily think we're at the bottom of the barrel. I think people keep thinking we are. I don't think we have hit rock bottom. With any certainty, I still think we can go further down. And I think that's the problem. I think people think things can't get any worse than 15th or any worse than this or any worse than that.

58:50And they definitely can. The trajectory for Man United on a graph is down. Definitely can get worse. And even if you brought a really good coach in, do you think Xavi's going to get these players to play like Barcelona? Can't polish a turd. Take care.