189: Amorim LOSING Control!

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0:38I've dropped me mic! This better go on. This better go on. Oh, mate, you're a rubbish mic. You know, I'm Michael Owen. Hello, everybody, welcome to that United stand. That United stand. I'm Art Goldbridge, and this is your latest Manchester United news. I'm rushing this morning. I haven't even got my bloody coat off. But hopefully everybody's doing OK. Lots to get into this morning as Ruben Amrim loses control. We'll be reacting to the financials. We'll be talking about transfer targets. We'll also be talking about injury updates around Martinez and Cunha, positives potentially there. Also the wage bill.

1:14Let's talk about that. Anderson, Elliot Anderson, more leaks coming out. The club not happy about that. Michael Carrick being linked to Manchester United this morning as well. What do you think about that? I just think it's rotation, rotation. um you know karik solskja amarin marino you know who's the next manager we've done it all we've seen it all we've tried it all nothing's working and we're losing control again i mean even this morning this talk of the uh inios and glazer ownership not being happy that they thought they got rid of all the leaks and the leaks are back again um i just think it's a look answers on a postcard is it even possible to steer the ship the good ship manchester united back now i I mean, as I said yesterday, I think there's people who are just terminally negative and don't even know how to be positive.

2:02But this is 50 today. Happy birthday, Diz. Is there a Mason Mount update, says Dec? There is. We'll talk about that as well. But look, first of all, before I get into anything, I just want to say, you know, like a lot of people are talking about Man United's financials being good. I don't think they're good. I don't think they're good. There's people talking about Man United's financials being good. like somebody was knocking one out about how Man United's wage bill is lower than Arsenal's for the first time ever well bloody hell why didn't you tell me why didn't you tell Mrs. Goldberg stop working it's the end of the United stand it's over don't worry about it anymore we can all retire we've got a lower wage bill than Arsenal you'll never sing that you'll never sing that lower wage bill than Arsenal you'll never sing that I mean bloody hell people are celebrating this nonsense.

2:51We've got a lower wage bill than Arsenal. Brilliant. Couldn't afford a midfielder in the summer. Oh, yeah. Brilliant. I mean, there actually are morons out there celebrating Man United's financial results. We couldn't afford a midfielder. We bought a cheap young goalkeeper and we're celebrating a lower wage bill. I mean, how moronic do you have to be to be championing Manchester United's revenue for the last year. Oh, my God. They must be sat in the boardroom with their feet up going, look at this idiot on Twitter. How much did we pay him? 20 quid. 20 quid for a tweet like that saying that we're cooking.

3:29Amazing. Can we spend a little bit more next year? These financial results ain't good. I mean, they're not horrific. We're not bankrupt, but they're not good. Like, every football club should be judged on the pitch. We've got fans celebrating that the revenues at 666 million that match their revenues up, then our wage bill's lower than Arsenal. I tell you what else is lower than Arsenal. Us! We finished 15th and they finished second and got to a Champions League semi-final. And you've got idiots going, wow, we've got, you know, you've got to say, at the end of the day, I think Ineots are doing a great job.

4:04Hello? Hello? Hello? Is that Sir Jim? No, it's not Sir Jim. It's Jim White. Yes. I'm just phoning in to talk shit. I'm literally going to talk shit. That's why people call it that. Yeah, I just want to talk about, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let him speak, Simon. Yeah, let me speak, Simon. Yeah. I'm just phoning in to say, you know, actually, and I think a lot of people are starting to say this, I think Sir Jim Radcliffe might be doing a good job. Let him speak, Simon. I mean, you know, this fan content's normally rubbish. Yeah, yeah, well, we've got a lower-based race building arsenal, matchday revenues up.

4:38He's sacked off the workforce and we're still, you know, working. You know, I walked past Old Trafford and the sign's still on. So, you know, everything's still working. Got a lower wage bill than Arsenal. You know, I think it's about time some people gave Sir Jim some credit. Yeah, yeah, bye. Oh, my God. We finished 15th. We're not in Europe. We've got a lower wage bill than Arsenal and people are buying the Kleenex. Oh, we're also shit. like we're nowhere near Arsenal. I watched Chelsea last night. I'm very worried about a team that gave probably the best team in Europe at the moment, Bayern Munich, a good game in their own backyard.

5:18They're coming to Old Trafford on Saturday to play Bruno and co. I mean, it's a big step down, which could be a massive step up for them. So look, we can get into the financials, but I just, I want to do topical first. I have to do topical first. So this, this, this will, you know, I'm already revved up, but listen to this one. Just in from the Manchester Evening News. It was revealed this week United would have to pay the Portuguese coach, Ruben Amrim, a£12 million compensation package if they were to sack him within the first year of his contract. It would be highly embarrassing to do so, but they could afford to do it if they felt at risk of missing out on the lucrative Champions League riches once again.

5:56What? What? What is that? What is that? What nonsense is that? What are you talking about? What are you bloody talking about? How can we afford to pay Amorim off if we miss out on the Champions League? Read it back again. Manchester United, it would be highly embarrassing to pay£12 million compensation, but if they felt they were at risk of missing out on the lucrative Champions League riches once again, they could afford it. How do you lose money and be able to afford it? What? What? What am I reading now? What am I reading? What's going on with my football club? Why are people around it so stupid?

6:41What are they talking about? How can we afford to sack Amorim if we miss out on the lucrative Champions League? It costs money to miss out on the Champions League. You lose money. You don't get money for missing out on it. You can't afford to pay Amorim off because you get money for missing out. You afford to pay him off if he gets in, which you wouldn't do anyway. Oh, God. I just I just I don't I don't get it. And people are reading that going, yeah, you know what? If we're missing out on Champions League financially, it just makes sense. It financially makes sense if we're going to miss out on the Champions League to sack Amorim because we're going to lose 100 million anyway.

7:20So we may as well lose another 30. Yeah. You know, if a lion's going to bite my leg off, I may as well jump in the sea with a shark and let it bite my arm off. You know, just what is that logic? What is that logic? And also, why are we talking about missing out on the Champions League? It's like Ian Beale missing out on a marriage proposal from Margot Robbie. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen, is it? It really isn't. You know, it's like Harry Maguire missing out on the Ballon d 'Or. It's not going to happen. He's in the race. He isn't going to win it. He's not going to win it, is he?

7:57Like Man United missing out on the lucrative Champions League. Stop associating Manchester United with the bloody Champions League. We've just been knocked out of the Carabao Cup by Grimsby. We're not going to get into the Champions League. Somebody said in the comments yesterday, you said fourth or fifth. I don't even need to reply anymore because the comments were, that was when we were going to get Belaba and Donnarumma. That, in fairness to Mark. Yes, I gave us a chance if we got a good midfielder and a good goalkeeper. We did neither. So why are we talking about the Champions League? It's almost like the media, certain aspects of the media are so desperate to see Manchester United fail that they spew shit out their arse and mouth about Amorim is costing Man United hundreds of millions of pounds because he's going to miss out on the Champions League.

8:48Nobody put us in the Champions League at the start of the season. So Amarin can, no matter how bad it gets, Ruben Amarin cannot be charged with missing out on the Champions League because we were never in it. The day we didn't buy a midfielder, the day that was over. So I just want to get my opinions in on that. Also coming in this morning, not necessarily from the best of sources, I've seen it floating around a little bit. Manchester United are not happy about the amount of leaks that are coming out from in and around the football club. They thought it had gone and they feel like it's undermining the manager and undermining the club.

9:25The leaks will never go because breaking news, most of them are made up. Nobody is ringing up from the Man United dressing room, Samuel Lukas in the Manchester Evening News, because they don't like him. They're not ringing up the Daily Mail. They're not ringing up the Athletic. They're not doing it. All these leaks are coming from friends of a friend of a friend or imaginary friends. So players aren't actually leaking about being unhappy with the dressing, with the formation, with the system, etc, etc. It's just traditional media doing what traditional media do. There isn't actually those types of leaks coming out.

10:01The bottom line is we're not playing badly because of leaks. We're playing badly because we're not good enough. Like we're not a top six team. Nobody can construct a Man United side that's better than Newcastle or Spurs. It's impossible. I started my FC 26 career mode yesterday for Manchester United. I've pinned the link in the live chat. Go and check it out. I'm live again at about five.

10:52The scariest thing, and it's very rare that a computer game crosses into real life, but the scariest thing is, and I said it on the stream at the start, I've looked at this Man United squad. I play a 4-3-3. I don't play a 3-4-3. I don't like it. I don't like this squad. And that's me playing a computer game. I do not like this squad. It's lacklustre. It doesn't work. And it feels flat, even as a computer game. It just doesn't feel right. Now, what does that say to me? There are some good players in the squad, but it's going to take time for us to feel excited because it just doesn't feel like a team.

11:32And even when you play it as a computer game, I'll tell you where the imbalance is. Dorgue's inexperienced. Masraoui and Dillo aren't good enough as wingbacks. Centre-back's fine. Goalkeeper, huge hole. Midfield, huge hole. Front three, Tanya and Bermoszeszko. We don't really know enough about them. We don't know whether they work. So United are quite a lackluster team at the moment, regardless of what people want to project about Champions League football. So I don't think we've got leaks at Manchester United. I think we're just not good enough at the moment. And that is probably going to take some time.

12:10But look, is Ruben Amram losing control? Yes. How can that stop? Why does that happen? Ruben Amram is losing control because he's being absolutely rinsed by certain sections of this fan base, huge sections of the media, scrutiny, scrutiny, ridicule, embarrassment, bad results. he is getting absolutely, you know, torn apart. So he's losing control. Yes, of course he is. I don't want Amrim to lose his job, but of course he's losing control. The question is, can anything be done about that? Yes. The players can start winning games of football, starting with Chelsea on Saturday. And the club, Manchester United, could be better in relation to what they do.

12:55But Jose Mourinho said this nearly 10 years ago. When you're the manager of Manchester United, You are the CEO, you are the director of football, you are the manager, you are the coach, you are everything. And realistically, we don't act like a big football club. I mean, I was watching Chelsea last night and I was like, oh, you know, I'm not getting off my chair again. I'll give myself a hernia. I was watching Chelsea last night and I thought for all the ridicule of Chelsea and they've had their ups and downs. and, you know, they're a club that's been under scrutiny. But I watch that Chelsea side and it's inexperienced.

13:31There's no real experience in that team. There's very few players over the age of 25. They're an inexperienced side, but they have a unity. I mean, look, you can get at Chelsea, you can score goals. Their defence is not as strong as maybe their midfield and their attack. And I think their goalkeeper, you know, is a bit hit and miss. But there's a unity in that Chelsea side, you know, even against Bayern Munich, who I think are one of the best teams in Europe at the moment. They've started the season off so well. Chelsea stayed in the game. They stayed composed. They kept working. Even when they conceded, they kept going.

14:02There's a togetherness. There's an organisation. And when I look at Chelsea, it doesn't feel like Mareska's the guy. Mareska's the coach. It doesn't feel like Mareska dictates the football club because Todd Bowley's very front of house and there are other people at that club. And it feels like a football club that is moving in a direction a vision, OK? And maybe Maresco won't be part of that. Maybe he will. I watched Gannaccio come on for Chelsea and I'm like, look at him! Just look at what he's doing! Look at... And I'm not talking about the Pat Butcher haircut. I'm talking about the passing.

14:37He gets the ball and the first thing he wants to do is pass because he's shitting himself. He wants to pass. He wants to please. He wants to be part of it. He gets the ball and he's looking to pass all the time. The minute he walked into a Man United shirt, he thought he was Maradona. He didn't want to, never want to pass, get the ball, run at people. Even when he was coming off the bench as a teenager, he was running at people, not looking to pass. He's been at Chelsea for five minutes and he's bloody passing. And you go, it is bigger than Ganacho starting to pass. Obviously, it's a bit like an ex-girlfriend who, you know, wouldn't do certain things with you.

15:11Then, you know, she leaves you in the next night. She's doing it with half the bloody, you know. Anyway, the point is people change when they want to prove a point. Of course they do. but also you can see the Chelsea setup is far far better than Manchester United in relation to unity and we can talk about Liverpool but Liverpool are winning Premier League titles there are Newcastle Newcastle are another example they play as a team they pass when they pass they work together they work hard we just own we don't have this at Manchester United we we haven't had this for a long time and we don't have it now we don't have a unity where somebody's got somebody else's back where if you misplace a pass or you don't pass it's like you know why have you done that let's work together it's throw your hands up in the air everybody plays as an individual because the club is run like that there's a longer point there Chelsea have a vision Liverpool have a vision Arsenal have a vision Man City have a vision Newcastle have a vision even Spurs have a vision now Manchester United don't have a vision from the top and that's why the players take the piss um we're losing control every manager loses control because the club isn't run like like a football club there's no respect in it it's all like it's almost like you know take your dad to school day you know when he when he walks in and goes uh hello everybody i'm sir jim radcliffe i run ineos i've made lots of money from uh petrochemicals and cycling and uh yeah i'm now running a football club and yeah yeah over the day you know we can't have to be champers here because it's a school but at the end of the day um you know it's just a bit you know it's just a bit of a laugh you know it doesn't really you know the lands are having a good time you know it's not my main issue i'm making a lot more money i'm making a shitload of money out of shares um and you know for me this is just a bit of a you know a bit of a laugh you know i even said the club was going to run out of money at christmas that wasn't true um so you know it's not i think people take it a bit serious you know for me it's a weekend uh venture uh it's something to do uh if i'm you know if i want to so yeah and and we're not running the club like football club it's not serious i literally would rather have i don't know i don't know what i'd rather have but i i don't like this i think we just expose managers all the time players get off the hook I'm tired.

17:34I don't know about you, but I'm tired of watching other Premier League clubs that shouldn't be on the level we are running their team, their club better than us. There's no accountability. And there should be some leadership. Jason Wilcox, silent. Omar Barada, silent. Sir Jim Radcliffe, silent. You're running the football side of things. You never say a bloody word. It's Amrim, Amrim, Amrim. And you know what? We're all alive and kicking to why this happens because basically they only talk if we're doing well the only you only get the interviews when things go well you get nothing when things are going badly and that's because we have to scapegoat the manager and then it's just the cycle continues so yeah Amorim is losing control yes there are going to be you know this is going to continue but at some point somebody in that football club has got to realize it costs a lot of money to sack managers it costs a lot of money to have to keep buying players and also it costs a lot of money when you can't get rid of the previous manager's shit um it would save them a lot of money and we would be a better run football club if we had you know people who were in power who actually were respected i don't sense that bruno fernandez gives a shit about omar barada or sir jim radcliffe and i doubt Dalit does I doubt Masraoui does I doubt any of them really give a shit um because it's just so detached um but I guarantee you Rhys James gives a shit about what Todd Bowley thinks because it's Todd Bowley's got rid of people like Conor Gallagher and people like that and he you know he's very hands-on um yeah I've said it for a long time we need way more front-facing CEOs director of football, sporting directors, owners, you know, accountability should be public, not behind closed doors.

19:24There has been enough failure at this football club for people to start coming out and saying it shouldn't be just the manager saying we need open heart surgery. It shouldn't be just the manager saying the players aren't running. You know, why is Sir Jim Madcliffe not doing it? Why is Omar Barada not doing it? Why are they not doing the job they're paid to do? Maybe it will make a difference when we have a CEO or Sir Jim Madcliffe coming out and saying, I watched that game at the weekend. It's a Manchester derby. Players aren't running. This is not what the fans want to see. This is not what I want to see.

19:53And it's going to change. And these players need to realise or ship out. Why would you not say that as a Jim Radcliffe? Why would you not? Because you know you're not going to do that? Because it's fake? Because the players are in control? There needs to be far more accountability at the start of the football club. Yeah, you watch Newcastle tonight against Barcelona Stansson. I think they might win. why are Newcastle living the dream why Spurs living the dream why are we living the nightmare because the club's being run into the ground and you've got people out there I mean look let me just go through this you've got people out there celebrating that we've got a better wage bill than um Arsenal now maybe just maybe Arsenal Man United's wage bill being lower than Arsenal is a bad thing I mean I don't want to be out there and and you know come up with something a little bit niche but but maybe arsenal are finishing higher in the league than us because they're spending more money better than us maybe we're dropping down the league and our wage bill is dropping because we're getting worse maybe we're getting what we pay for because i look at um i mean some of the headlines of the financials i mean i don't think a lot of people understand these financials for a start but manchester united's broadcasting revenue was down 50 million pounds last year Moto Casino American Social Casino Welcome to Moto Casino where the excitement never ends with thousands of the hottest free-to-play social casino games fastest payouts and the best promotions in the industry no tricks or gimmicks owned and operated in the USA Moto Casino is a free-to-play social casino no purchase necessary 21 plus to play void we're prohibited sign up today for a generous welcome bonus Moto Casino American Social Casino Download the Moto Casino app today.

21:34Match day revenue went up by 25 million pounds. We are going to play the least amount of games in a season this year for 111 years. 1914 was the last time we played so few games. So your match day revenue might be up for last year, but we're about to play about 20 games less than we normally would expect. That match day revenue is coming down. um so you know i look at those financials and i go remember last season we played all the way to a final of the europa league um and there was a few events like sacking half your workforce that saves you a lot of money i don't i don't see financially man you know i've been in a good position in the next you know 12 months but some people are going oh yeah i've got a lower wage bill than Arsenal.

22:20And I'm like, you know what? We couldn't afford a midfielder. Our goalkeeper, which is really important, is a cheap kid from Belgium who we're going like that. Let's hope he's going to work. Arsenal, Liverpool have just spent close to half a billion each. Their wage bill being bigger than ours. Well, hello, it's about to get a lot bigger than ours because they've got guaranteed revenue of£100 million each year that we don't have. Those wage bills are going to go up and some of our fans are going to be going, yeah, well, we shouldn't be paying stupid wages. We paid shit wages to shit players. I don't care giving somebody£250 ,000 a week if it's Saka.

23:07I don't mind giving somebody£250 ,000 a week if it's Declan Rice. Or, you know, what I do mind is giving it to Mason Mount, who was injured before we even bought him. That's why you need to bring your wage bill down. We're not bringing our wage bill down because it's bad to pay big wages to good players. We're bringing our wage bill down because we've been paying shit to shit for too long. And that has fundamentally put us in this situation. But there are people in this fan base who are sort of obsessed with cost cutting. Oh, they're doing a great job. We're not playing bloody Monopoly. We're trying to be the best team in the world.

23:43You should spend money. And we are trying to save money. And I'm sorry, I don't jump around singing a lower wage bill than Arsenal. You'll never sing that because that worries me. It actually worries me that we're seeing a deterioration before our eyes and people think it's something to celebrate. I didn't want the INEOS to come into bed with the Glazers to, you know, cut costs. I'm not celebrating people losing their job. I'm not celebrating as cutting costs. I'm not celebrating as having a low wage bill when we're shit on the pitch. We've got no midfield. That midfield is a joke. The first thing I did was buy three midfielders on my career mode.

24:23That midfield is an absolute joke. The only movement in our midfield is where Manu wants to go next. Goalkeepers terrifies me. I don't think we've got... You know what? You also notice it on FC 26 as well. You watch when you play as a Man United. Come back and tell me I'm wrong. the first thing you do is go i need a backup striker the only player i've got is sesko because zerk's is not a striker like the first thing you do is you go i can't play sesko every game every for 90 minutes we need a strike it's the first thing i did is like i need a striker i i need to get a striker in um there's deficiencies in that squad massive deficiencies in that squad i need to get some of your comments in i want to talk about injuries next because there are some big updates around that but um also can i just say apologies last night that's the first time in months i've not done an evening show and it was totally on me didn't get back to london from london till about one o 'clock the night before last and then yesterday i was working through some stuff and i i just didn't have time to do the seven o 'clock show which you know i ultimately i was better off not doing it because i've just been really aggy and stressed so i cut it but i am live tonight great show last week doing a live preview so we're going to continue with that it's a live preview for chelsea tonight i really enjoyed the interactivity of it last week so we'll be doing that uh get involved um hayda says if a staff member of united stand was underperforming for almost a year how much more time would you give him this is elite sports you're either performing or you're out says hayda i think he's talking about ruben amrim um if somebody at the united stand was underperforming because i didn't give them a computer or internet then that's on me and I'd provide them with what they need before I sacked them.

26:08And then if I gave them everything they needed and they failed, I would remove them. Boom. They are silent because realistically they are business people and they're extremely successful. We won't have a change in at least five years or more, says Artic. Hayda's back again. Amorim Innes, since his arrival, what is the biggest positives you've seen on the football pitch? Maybe we will get our first back-to-back win soon, says Hayda. Chelsea's bought and sold 45 players since 22 to make it work for them. Our owners claim the club is broke and fans blame the manager. Ghost 92. Great point. Why couldn't Amrum get Ganacho to pass, says Kiel?

26:41Why couldn't Tenard get him to pass? I don't know. I don't know. Culture. But to be honest with you, why couldn't Bruno make him pass? You know, why couldn't Rashford make him pass? Why couldn't Luke Shaw make him pass? Because they couldn't be arsed? It's not, you know, when I watch Ganacho passing, I don't think it's because of Maresca. I think it's because of the players around him he looks intimidated by them he looks like he wants to impress them whereas I think at United he just wanted to impress himself Patrick Lynch says once again the hierarchy at the club have let the manager hang out to dry just like with every previous manager Wilcox and co don't say anything because they know it will remind people they have played a part in all this I think that's you know Patrick's always the voice of reason but I think that's great I think sometimes the reason Sir Jim Radflip or Omar Barada or Jason Wilcox don't do interviews is because they don't want to put themselves in the firing line out of sight out of mind i mean you know that we hear about barada and wilcox when we're signing sesco we don't hear about them leading from the front when we're losing to man city or you know we're getting knocked out by grimsby no no that's not my job it's it's cowardice and and it's been happening for a long time woodward was the same murder was the same i think we're going to beat chelsea if everyone's back says robert mccormack i did say we'll get something about chelsea but that's for tonight.

27:58Constantine, thank you, pal, says to me, he sends the players out and they continue to let him down. He probably thinks, what else can I do here? Thank you, Constantine. Mark, trust you well, what is happening at our clubs? I think they meant they would pay 12 million if they thought they could still get Champions League with the replacements, says Glenn. That whole thing is ridiculous. If there's a football fan in this community that thinks we could sack Amarim now for 12 million and get the 100 million from Champions League football I don't even know what to say to you there is no manager in world football that is taking that squad to the Champions League not from this point not not a chance not a chance um it's not going to happen I think they met uh thank you Glenn after the derby there are things you wanted Ruben to change but the guy literally said he will not change and there's only way one way to get changed as Hayda.

28:54Hayda, you're obsessed with Sakhin Amrim. That's great. You don't need to tell us three times. You're not an MP. You're not a politician and you're not the Prime Minister. You're not here to convince people of your own thoughts. You're expressing yours. That's great. I think Bruno will play in the midfield at the weekend. I saw another tentatively crap source talking about Anderson in January. Obviously, Belaber will still get mentioned. We have to buy a midfielder, but we had to buy a midfielder a few weeks ago, and we didn't. The scary thing is, and it's a fair point, if we do buy a midfielder, I suspect they will play next to Bruno Fernandes.

29:38I've said this to you multiple times. I think life is layered. I don't think it's green and red. I think Amarim is sacking it. I think people forget this. I haven't seen anybody who is amoring him in, sit there going, he's doing a great job. We just need to back him. You know, I can see everything's going well. I don't see that. And I don't hear that. I do see a sack him, get rid of him. And then people, you say for who? And they go, well, that's not my job. And I find that ridiculous. But where I sit, and I think some people do as well, is picking Bruno in the midfield is going to sack himself.

30:16Absolutely. um it's funny on my career mode actually you should watch what i did with bruno he is in the team i'm playing a 4-3-3 he's not in the midfield too he's playing as a 10 um but playing bruno in the midfield he will sack himself i'm absolutely convinced of that i just don't think it's going to work and therefore you sort of left going well he's going to sack himself and that's sort of where I am I don't see any other outcome other than him being sacked at the moment but that can change but that's where I am but that's different from being Amrim out I'm not Amrim out because I just think that for a multitude of reasons it's wrong it's massively wrong to sack a manager within 11 months it's massively wrong to spend 200 million pounds a few weeks ago and then sack a manager it's massively wrong to blame the manager exclusively for this that when the players and the owners keep doing it at some point and i keep saying it with every manager we sack at some point we've actually got to look at why we're always in this position and people will go yeah but look at the results look at the results look at the results look at the results look at the system and look that's a valid thing to say but i would say look at what happened with jose look at what happened with Van Gaal, look at what happened with Rangnick, look at what happened with Oli, look at what happened with Ten Hag, look at what's happening with Amrit.

31:45Like, yeah, the results aren't good, but the results weren't good for Oli, and he got sacked, and Ten Hag, and he got sacked. In some ways, the results cloud the vision of every manager needed to be sacked because of results. But how do we end up in a position where the results get this bad? Is it the manager every single time and that's my problem with people who go look at the results look at the win ratio you know he's got to go obviously results are why managers get sacked but every single one of our managers has been sacked in the same circumstances because results become extraordinary unfathomable performance becomes ridiculous why is it that manchester united over the last 10 years, consistently, we very rarely get players playing above six.

32:37On the player rating system, six is average, five is below average, seven is good. Why is it for 10 years consistently, we very rarely get more than two or three players above a six? And yet it's always the manager. And I know, having been a manager and been a player, that once I go onto the pitch. The player rating I get is not on the manager. That's on me. I can play in a team that gets beat 4-0. I can still put in a 7 or an 8.

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33:36Download the Moto Casino app today. I can play in a team that wins 4-0 and I can still put in a 4. So why is it we always never figure this out that consistently loads of our players are always below average? and yet we all know countless examples of players that play in poor teams like Roy Keane got relegated with Nottingham Forest the season before he came to Manchester United he was the best player on the pitch most weeks even when they were getting turned over three or four nil you can still be a really good player in a really shit team because you take responsibility for your performance and And yet at Manchester United, how often is it we get beat?

34:21Very often. But how often is it when we get beat, you might look at one or two players and go, well, they were brilliant again. It just doesn't happen. And it doesn't make sense. They have higher wages because they have better players. More career mode today, so CF26. Yes, it's back today. I'm definitely at six. I'm trying to push it forward to about half four. So keep an eye on the channel. Links in the live chat. Why can't fans agree? No change until the Glazers goes as MMA take down. because it's a dream, because it's a fantasy. And we're going to talk about the injuries now, but it's a dream and a fantasy.

34:53If we remove the Glazers, the club would be back very, very quickly with the right type of owner. Basically, you put Todd Bowley in charge of Man United, we'll be back. I was driving back from London on Tuesday night and the driver was a Liverpool fan.

35:12And why would I get driven by a Liverpool fan? Because they'll get the job done. You know, even if it's even if you're late, even if even if it's late, you'll get there. But the point is, jokes aside, he kept saying to me, I said, I'm not convinced there's a way back from Manchester United. And he kept saying, yeah, but football goes in cycles. You'll be back. You'll be back. And I went, yeah, everybody keeps saying this, but please tell a Man United fan why a cycle is going to get us back. like things do go in cycles but we're badly run in huge debt things are getting worse this is not secular this is not just oh next year will be our year we're nowhere near we're getting further and further away this is not about and some people do look at it like that and go you know it'll be back they're too big not to you know united will be back they're just going through a bad period And I'm like, how did Liverpool get back?

36:05They got rid of Gillette and Hicks and FSG came in. Like, if Liverpool had stayed with the owners they had in 2010, they wouldn't be back. They wouldn't be back. Man City would not have won all those titles if they'd not been bought by Abu Dhabi. Newcastle would not be where they are if they hadn't been bought by Saudi. Chelsea wouldn't be where they are if they hadn't been bought by Todd Foley. The story goes on and on and on. and unfortunately every football club's success you can say man city's success is because of pep not really because they were bought by rich people you can say that newcastle's success is because of eddie howe he's a factor but without saudi wouldn't be there um and liverpool wouldn't be where they are if they hadn't had an ownership change as well so look i don't believe that man united are going to come back because that's the law of averages it goes in cycles everybody's Liverpool's cycle of being shit for 20 years wasn't, they're not good now because the gods went, it's time for Liverpool to be good.

37:06They're good now because their fans got rid of an owner and change happened. Man City would never, never have been a big club. It was never going to happen. The gods weren't going to go, it's time for Man City to be good. Somebody bought them and they became good. these united fans or you know rival fans who think united are going to be good because their time will come again i think the only way we're going to get back is through ownership um dave i'm not doing definition of insanity again because completely you don't understand it and you're not the only one he says you don't call for change on tactics which have delivered the same results week after week yeah the definition of insanity being used for tactical changes is a little bit weak dave like yeah i've seen a couple of people say this you say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and again and yet amarin won't change his tactics and i'm like that's such a weak interpretation of a of a of an analogy that's been used in relation to our ownership the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again why don't you tell that to your wife when she makes your beans and on toasts again because it's weak it's a week we're talking what we're talking about is when we talk about the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and over again in the context of manchester united that statement is only used um that is only used in relation to the owners who keep bringing a manager in backing him a little bit and then when the going gets tough they sack him and then they think things are going to change when they bring another manager in and they keep piling up the transfers i'm not interested in the definition of insanity for tactics and systems if you are that's great but it doesn't work in relation to the only time we use the definition of insanity doing the same over and over again is in relation to what our owners have done for the last 15 years and the changing and the hamster wheel of changing managers and not changing ownership and players i wonder what the other players think about bruno playing in the wrong position ian i don't think the other players care i mean we're playing chelsea at the weekend And genuinely, I think they will shake Ganacho's hand, pat him on the back, give him a hug.

39:17And if he scores the winner, I think some of them will have to be tying their hands behind the back because they'll be tempted to go on Instagram and smash a like on his video. um i think you massively massively underestimate the modern footballer and you try and compare them to people like ryan giggs gary neville david beckham roy keen who actually you know would not talk to the opposition in a tunnel um this lot they're all just mates earning massive money they don't really care that doesn't mean you can't have a team that wins things you can motivate them in a different way but they're not fans they're not fans no one's going to go in on ganache over the weekend you know they're not going to care um why fans can't agree no change to the glazes thank you very much right i need to talk about the um injuries because we're moving through i knew this show was going to be um all over the place this morning so injury updates um um martinez um we've been very good with the injury updates because we've got good info so i said this to you about two weeks ago um in the international break martinez will not be back until after the next international break there was a ridiculous post from a stupid outlet um about martinez being with the squad for the manchester derby and people started to get excited um martinez has only just started training on the grass so he's not even doing contact yet i don't even know he'll be back after the international break um that's only what we've been told but he's not going to be back before this international break um lissandro so and i don't even think when he comes back in late october he'll be starting so i i think with martinez it's going to be a long road back um maybe he'll be starting games in november hopefully um it is still good news that he's on the way back the the main news with Lissandro is can he stay fit uh in relation to Kunya he's really close he was always close this is just United and their fitness department and their you know health and safety rules um the first update we got on Kunya was the first week of the international break I think it was a Tuesday and we were talking about Kunya and Mount and the updates were basically Mount's definitely out of the derby and they were hopeful that he might be back for Chelsea.

41:48That's not the case. With Cunha, it wasn't as bad and there was hope that he might be involved for the Manchester derby. United shut that down based on the advice they were getting from their fitness department. And again, they're shutting it down for Chelsea on Saturday. I think if this was a World Cup and it was Brazil, he'd have been on the bench for the Man City game and he would have been starting the Chelsea game. I think if this was, you know, a game we needed to win to get into the Champions League, he'd be on the bench. But they're just overly protective of players, rightly or wrongly.

42:26But Cunha's not. The noise is that Cunha's not. Yeah, you could put Cunha in, but they're not willing to do it. so he won't be involved for Chelsea either, but he's close. Maybe he'll be back for Brentford a week and a half,

42:46but he's chomping at the bit to get back. Martinez after the international break. Mount quiet. I don't know. I don't get the feeling that Mason Mount's going to be out for three months, but you are right to be concerned because this is what happened in December last year. He went off in the Manchester derby. There was never really much of an update and then he wasn't really back until March or April, was he? So the noise is that Mount is not going to be out for that long but he's still Mason Mount injured again for the millionth time in a Man United shirt and you just can't rely on him. And I think at the start of the season with Mount, some people were like, why did we buy Cunha in Embermo when we've got Mason Mount and he looks quite good?

43:31this is exactly why we bought Embermo and Cunha because you can't rely on Mason Mount absolutely horrific signing it's not his fault but United got scammed I don't know how we got through the fitness department I don't know how we got through the medical gave them 250 grand a week we gave Chelsea 55 million pounds and effectively you should have been on a pay-as-you-play free transfer this you know you talk about financials and you talk about lowering wage bills and you talk about match day revenue mason mount should be on 50 grand a week on a pay as you play free transfer and we paid 55 million and 250 grand a week got absolutely rinsed uh when you look at his medical issues he should be pay as you play free transfer if he leaves man united i don't think anybody would give him a contract we've got absolutely scammed absolutely scammed dap says leak sure i've got a video ready to go about loop sure i've got to put it out at some point i have to um anyway coming back to the news so yeah that's about that uh may you know we didn't really talk about menu yesterday um there was a story about mayno in newcastle there's a story this morning about um man city i i just think that like it's such a difficult situation isn't it because they're not you know hypothetically Pep Guardiola might look at Manu and go I like Manu and then United fans will go well if Pep wants him he should be starting for Man United but I sort of do agree with that but then I look at it and go well is he like I also think that um you've got to ask questions of yourself like you know you have to ask questions of yourself I mean what is it that we're sort of saying about Maynou he has started games recently he has come on in games recently um it's not like he's not getting any minutes and as much as I want to see him playing more and as much as I think teams like Newcastle would be looking at him again he probably would go and do well there because Rasmus has gone and done instantly well at Napoli you know I'm sure Gagnaccia will do well at Chelsea it's that whole escapism isn't it where you can deflect and say i wasn't the problem you know anana will probably start playing well it's ridiculous but i do think that these players have to look at themselves i mean somebody said to me the other day oh you know anana is probably going to go and do really really well and i said but do you not have eyes i can see eyes on your face do you not have eyes because you know even if anana goes and wins the ballon door now it's not man united's problem he walks out on the pitch and plays like he's playing volleyball the guy's crap and you can't keep playing you can't blame man united for that like you know some of these players just can't deal with it and they almost get inspired by leaving man united to prove a point why didn't you come here and prove a point i've i've had jobs in the past where i've worked at places and i've gone i can't be arsed i don't like it here i can't be arsed and then you go somewhere else and you enjoy it and you work really hard is that on me is that on the environment before it's probably a little bit of both isn't it but look i still think with manu you're not going anywhere till January.

46:39That midfield's bloody awful. I'd be playing Manuel Nogate against Chelsea, but if he doesn't turn up in that game and he plays badly, I think we've got to start saying, well, hold on a minute. Like, you know, give him the opportunity, but take the opportunity. He certainly didn't do that against Grimsby, and I certainly haven't seen him do that well this season. But I mean, look, would I play him over Bruno Fernandes in the midfield every day of the week and that is on the manager of course it is um what about michael carrick to manchester united mark uh i mean moto casino is pure american energy born in the usa and with the same 1776 spirit that built this country moto america's social casino is celebrating that freedom with a 1 million sweeps coin prize giveaway one lucky american is going to win 1 million sweeps coins So what are you waiting for?

47:32Spin now on Moto Casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casino is a social casino. We're prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit Moto.us for more details. Moto Casino. America's social casino. Honestly, I am so belligerent and immune and, you know, indifferent about manager talk. I suspect that it might excite some of you but I don't genuinely think the manager is the problem I don't really think Ten Hag was the problem I don't think Jose was the problem I don't think Oli was the problem they may have needed sacking but I don't think a new manager comes in and solves the problem I think the problem you know if Amarim gets sacked it will be because of results but I don't think the manager is totally responsible for results I think the results also come from underperforming players and an ownership that can't run the football club properly.

48:28So you give me another manager, I still think they'll end up where we are now at some point. They might win a few more games, but even if Man United were fifth, people would be saying manager out. Like 15th, fifth, it's still not good enough. So you might bring a manager in that can take us to fifth or sixth, but eventually people would still say this is not good enough. It's embarrassing. Look at Liverpool. And I think that's very important to remember. Michael Carrick at Man United. Read Oli Gunnar Solskjaer. I mean, it's the same thing, isn't it? He used to play for the club. He's a great of the club.

49:02He gets it. You know, he puts an arm around everybody's shoulder. They react for a little bit. And then ultimately, the scary thing for me about Man United is, is that I think when Oli was here, and Jose was here and Ten Hag was here, I used to look at the team and go, well, we're underperforming because we're a top 14. So yeah, I genuinely did look at the Solskjaer squad, the Jose squad, the Ten Hag squad and go, that's a top 14. I don't think we're a top 14 anymore. So whoever comes in next, I can't even say, well, you know, that's a top 14. I just don't think we are a top four team anymore.

49:44I don't think we're a top six team. So change the manager, give it to Michael Carrick, give it to Gareth Southgate, give it to Unai Emery, give it to whoever you want. But I don't think it changes anything, to be honest. Obviously, there'll be a honeymoon period. The players might try a little bit. But have you noticed that the players don't try anymore anyway? We don't even get a bounce. Ranyik didn't get a new manager bounce. Ten Hag didn't get a new manager bounce. and Amorim didn't get a new manager bounce. And, you know, people don't want to talk about that. You won't read that in the media, but we don't even get new manager bounces anymore.

50:22The last manager to get a new manager bounce was Oli. Brangit got half an hour, Ten Hag lost to Brighton and Brentford and Amorim didn't get anything either. We don't even get new manager bounces now because the players are so secure that you don't even feel like they have to work.

50:44uh whoever's hating on main who is a disgrace as jay well i hope nobody's hating on anybody because um as you know on this community it's never about hate it's always about opinion um zef sex says even god can't save this team unless someone comes in and buys the whole team and appoints people who care about the team uh all we can do is um endure thank you seth delo being played in the midfield in training and this is not a troll at this point we're just winging it. Tune in next week. Luke Shaw is a number 10. Oh my God. You know what, Dave? If he puts the low and Bruno in the midfield, I'm out.

51:16That would just be nepotism on a ridiculous scale. I will say this. I'm not hammering him out, but you are literally mad in relation to your team selections because I know no Man United fan that likes Bruno in the midfield and if I was trying to save my job I would listen to the fans he's really honest I love his interviews but you know like the United fan base we don't rate the low and Bruno's not a midfielder you do not put them together in the midfield oh my god um hi Mark what would your reaction be if you see Bruno and Casemiro in the midfield for the Chelsea game? Anger, disappointments or acceptance as Frosty?

52:07Hope that we can win. But the reality is I'm expecting Bruno to be in the midfield on Saturday. I don't know why we keep grouping the failures of managers. What Oli and Mourinho got sacked for would be success compared to what we're dealing with now, says Haider. I don't know why you're living in the past. Two great games tonight. Robert McCormack? Yeah, looking forward to that. We're live at seven tonight for the Chelsea preview. can we just focus on less than one ppg in the premier league after 31 games how low are our standards says rory c um you give someone a job to write a memo they have no typewriter but have a pen and pencil they may they say screw that i work with a typewriter or nothing says gaz i can prove that this is the it's the players not the system or amrin by hiring ancelotti or zidane next you can't argue with their managerial credentials says tusha uh shiam says surprisingly the room and has just got uh two new proven players this summer the others are just potential we're expecting them potential to build in a totally broken team it's strange as she am we need stiller for real in your career mode um still is a good player on my career mode check it out um okay right mark have you accepted that amory will be sacked for picking bruno know i'm not amram out um you know me i don't go for managers early but my honest answer is i think he's going to sack himself picking bruno in the midfield yeah um and i sometimes think a statement like that is more powerful than screaming amram out tonight sack him tonight i think that's just basic it's childish it's you know it's not it's not based on i would never scream that i wouldn't i don't think most of you would scream that i think you would say i think amram needs to be sacked and we need to go and do this you know i look at someone like conte when rasmus scored the goal giving him a high five and encouragement you know i think we missed the trick with conte after ollie but would he put up with man united i mean this is the great thing i know there are people like jürgen klopp would never come to man united i don't know whether conte would come to manchester united i think there's people that would probably say no i won't go um so yeah it's um it's an interesting one but um i i do feel that he's going to sack himself with that midfield yeah um team of 99 in amarin system they still losing just jp no no um tony says i like amarin but if you don't change formation you'll get the sack i'm sorry tony that's the that's the end of you ruined that's on tony i'm sorry that's the end of the show can't we can't be dealing with the formation chat mate it's boring it's just so boring the manager is not going to change the formation tony next time just say sack the manager because we can deal with that but formation change it's just such a conversation ender he's not going to change his formation so he doesn't need to change his formation because he's not going to change his formation um so you need to say i'm out we've sort of established that this week um okay check out the career mode it will be back uh we've got ben jacobs on the show at two o 'clock always good interviews with ben he's always got a good little bit so if you've got any questions you want to answer asking make sure you leave them in the comments as well uh fantastic show this morning enjoyed that feels like it was a long time ago since we're jumping over the chair um but sometimes you've got to let out you know sometimes you've got to be honest and let it out um yeah okay uh live preview for chelsea tonight really really looking forward to that it was brilliant last week for the city game so tune in for that at seven um and check the career mode out if you if you like that sort of thing i find it i find the career mode quite interesting this year because it's not just a computer game it's also it's just i don't like that united squad i do not like it and um it's the first time in a long time i've looked at it and gone yeah you're not i'm not picking you i mean i haven't even got a garte casimiro on mount on my bench i don't even zerk's is not on my bench either i just took them all out I've kept them but they're on the bench they're not even on the bench I just I'm sort of like meh you know anyway thanks for watching I'll speak to you in a bit take care

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