195: GONE! Amorim Has NO WAY Back!

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1:17Available at Lowe's. And this is your latest Manchester United news at the start of another big week for Manchester United. Where does Ruben Amrim sit? Well, he sits in the box of power. He sits in the managerial position and he sits with the support of the club. But there's been some very big statements coming out overnight from ex-Manchester United players. We've also got the latest news on where any of us are with regards to Manchester United. And I've got a couple of interesting takes I want to give to you. But look, let me read you this straight away. hey, what's going on at Manchester United?

1:48This is not Manchester United. I don't recognise the whole football club. I don't see players fighting. I don't see character. I don't see desire to win. I don't see ability. I don't see match winners. Nothing gets me off my feet. The words of you, me and everybody else, but also the words of Wayne Rooney. So look, I think that the title is gone. Amrim has no way back. I do not see a way back because we've been down this road so many times and it's very, very sad. But how do you get a way back? I've said this so many times. We have said this so many times in football. I think people do try to cling on to the obscure.

2:29They try to cling on to hope. But when the going gets bad, it very, very, very rarely turns around. And I think the problem that we've got is and you know what? I was doing a show with Robbie this morning on DR Sports and he said, if you beat Sunderland on Saturday, everything's all right again. And I went, I think you completely and utterly misunderstand the temperature of the Man United fan base after Saturday. I think last season got sort of swept under the carpet because it was like, well, not by everybody, not by all of you. Let's be very, very clear on that. Not everybody swept last season under the carpet.

3:02Some people were like, you know, it's unacceptable. We're not going to talk about we're not going to sweep it under the carpet, etc, etc. But some of us just went, you know, he wasn't backed. He was thrown into a difficult situation. We lost some silly games, but, you know, he's had a preseason. He's had a bit of time with the team now. Now is the time to deliver. And then you lose to Brentford and then you go, you know what? That ain't good enough. So I think when people say, you know, Sunderland will be if we beat Sunderland, everything will be OK. I do not think, and I can speak for myself, I don't think beating Sunderland means, oh, let's give it another six months.

3:38I think beating Sunderland in a way would just be even more irritating that we can't beat Brentford, you know, that we can't turn up in a Manchester derby, that we make mistakes in the Arsenal game and the Fulham game. I think if we beat Sunderland, people will go, well, here we go again. these absolute flip-flops, light switch players, should be sponsored by bloody B &Q because you never know what light switch they're going to turn on and off, you know, and I think that beating Sunderland may be enough for some people to go, oh, it's okay, but we all know there's another Brentford coming, and that's, I think, what Wayne Rooney's talking about, that's what I'm talking about, I think it's what most of you are talking about, and he made a great point about Glynios as well, what is it Manchester United are trying to sell here?

4:21I mean, look, Gary Neville said this, Amorim has had a pre-season, he's had a week now in between each of his games because Man United aren't in Europe, yet the performance is as poor as ever. The results are catastrophic in Manchester United terms. The money that's been spent has been big and there are some things that I'm seeing that are a massive worry and some things that can't happen. Now look, I could sit here this morning and defend Amorim and say, oh well you know what Gary, 200 million pounds, okay it's a lot of money, but where's the midfielder? I could say that. Some of you might be saying that.

4:54Some of you might be saying, yeah, he's had£200 million, but he needed£500 million. Yeah, he's had three players and they're good, but he needed six. They're valid points. They are really valid points. But you know what you'd do if you didn't get your midfielder? You wouldn't put Bruno Fernandes in the midfield. You'd play Casemiro and Agata and you'd try and create a shield he wouldn't put biinder in goal either so those sort of things i think are the things that um um are causing him problems at the moment but yeah i i think this morning you know the pile on if you want to call it that or i mean i was listening to what rain really said actually you know what he said and i'm you know always going to be transparent with ex-players i think sometimes if they come out with an opinion that suits us we will big it up and sometimes if they come out with a bad opinion that we don't like we will call it out because their opinion is just the same as anybody else's but what he actually said was Wayne Rooney he said look I was I've been thinking about it all day as to whether I want to say what I'm about to say because the media will pick it up pressure on the manager pressure on the players but I have to say it about a club that I played for for 13 years and I really care about they're not Man United players they're not putting it in there's no fight there's no ability there's no desire you know and and and And then he followed it up with this statement around the owners basically saying that I think there needs to be a clear message from the owners, whether that's the Glazers or Sir Jim Ladcliffe.

6:24There has to be a message of where this club is going at the moment, because we're all sitting here waiting for it to crumble. And I think, you know, what I am seeing is a lot of people are actually, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about the manager. Let's talk about the manager. But there's a lot of people saying this goes beyond the manager. I mean, I have I have something I want to say in a few minutes time about where I would go if I was going to bring a manager back. I know exactly where I would go and it would probably be very niche. But we have no message from what we're actually doing as a football club.

6:55we've got a very vague um clown circus stadium design and we've got a very vague talk about project 28 which is now project 90 which is maybe project something else 69 i don't i don't know what it is someone's going down and it says um it's it's it it's just convoluted crap you know it's nonsensical what we're meant to be and i am in no way way shape or form making excuses for Ruben Amrin but if I'm managing a football club that's chaotic what it's going to be chaotic um if we have an ownership that's unaccountable you're going to end up with players that are unaccountable um and I'm not saying that if you had Roy Keane as your captain you'd be playing like Bruno Fernandes because the ownership shit but from top to bottom the club is an absolute mess and it and it helps when people like Gary Neville, Wayne Rooney, Roy Keane start talking about it they shouldn't be scared about what the players are going to think because I don't remember and this is what makes me laugh about these stories you know christine erickson was talking last week about the pressure at manchester united all the pressure the pressure's too much that the ex-players put too much pressure on the players what's a load of bollocks you know why it's a load of bollocks because you don't have to wait even 24 hours for it to be proven to be bollocks so it's the it's the ex-players fault that the current players are so bad they put too much pressure on us oh this is why we can't play very well we can't play a simple pass because we're thinking about what Roy Keane said oh I've missed that chance because of Gary Neville oh I didn't track that run because of Wayne Rooney telling me off last week okay okay all right I think you're talking absolute shit but there we go explain to me what Wayne Rooney Gary Neville Roy Keane said negatively about you after the Chelsea game so why didn't you turn up against Brentford well um we're still thinking about the last time they had a go at us which was probably after man city you know and it's like that that's my point all the excuses oh it's too dark to train like what was your excuse for brentford you beat chelsea one of the top four clubs in england the club world cup champions you beat chelsea you have a whole week to prepare for brentford and then you don't turn up.

9:13So who are you blaming for for that? So I think it's open season. I think it's open season on the players. You know, I don't like it when the ex-players say something. Well, maybe turn up in a Man United shirt because there's no excuses for what we saw against Brentford. There was no outcry before it. There was no slagging off of players. There was no, you're a load of shit. It was literally, let's go and win two games in a row for the first time in 12 months. It was literally, let's go and win three games in a row and actually start to get this season going and they don't turn up. I mean, you couldn't have had, I've not really heard many people talk about this, but you couldn't have had better circumstances going into the Brentford game.

9:49Whole week off, a team that's got a new manager, half its team have left. Lots of people think they're going to be in a relegation battle. We've had a whole week off. We've beat Chelsea. What a great opportunity. And they get absolutely stuffed like a Christmas turkey. It was an abysmal performance so it should be open season on the monday absolutely should be open open season on the monday um and i agree i actually agree with with with wayne rooney gary neville and whatever roy keen's going to say this week they're a shower of shit as players and it shouldn't just be about the manager because whether whether amram's making mistakes and he clearly is i think it's interesting that these ex-players are actually sort of saying look it can't go on with amram but look at the players i don't i've watched man united play i don't see man united players i don't see efforts I don't see desire I don't see ability and I think that's different from what we've seen in the past with certain managers we've gone oh you know it's the managers the problem and and clearly it's not and I think it's absolutely inexcusable especially when you watch other Premier League games Sunderland at Forest Wolves at Spurs Arsenal at Newcastle Crystal Palace against Liverpool other teams in this league without the resources the World Cup championship will be crowned this week and you can trade the tourney through the finals on calci america's number one prediction market platform right now spain is trading at 58 to beat argentina meaning 100 trade pays out 166 if they win on calci you're trading against other people in a live market no house no odds makers for a limited time download the calci app and use code defend to get 10 when you trade$10.

11:29K-A-L-S-H-I. Kalshi. Trade the beautiful game. 18 plus only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Event contract trading involves risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Kalshi products are not available in all jurisdictions. Prices, values, and available markets may differ from those mentioned. For more information, see Kalshi.com forward slash regulatory. Putting in a shift well organized for 90 minutes. you're not always going to win, but they're putting a shift in. And it's inexcusable, the effort levels that these players put in. And it does need to be called out. Absolutely.

12:03And I do agree with Rooney that there does need to be some leadership from above because we're rudderless. I don't even know what. I don't even know. I mean, we had that story last week from Ben Jacobs that Sir Jim Radcliffe thinks this team's good enough to get top four. We're not good enough to get top four in the championship, mate. What are you talking about? How low is your or understanding of football that you think this is a top four team. Seriously. Like, you say you're a lifelong Man United fan. I don't think you're a week-long Man United fan. I don't think you're a football fan. How do you look at that team and say it's a Champions League team?

12:36It's not. It hasn't got a goalkeeper. It hasn't got a midfield. It's not a Champions League team. It's not a top four team. It isn't. It definitely shouldn't be in 14th place, but it's not a top four team. So what is it that you actually... It terrifies me that we might have an absolute moron in charge of the football club. That's more dangerous than anything. I'd rather have a realist that says this is a load of shit. It's going to take years to get back. But, you know, we'll do what we can. It's absolutely crazy to me that that we don't actually know what our owners think about this situation.

13:09And look, going back to what I was saying there, because I want to stick to the show. It's a morning show. It's a new show. I think the big takeaway for this morning, I want to get some of your comments on this is that do you agree with what Robbie said to me this morning? So Robbie from AFTV, he said to me this morning, you beat Sunderland on Saturday and everything's OK again. And I went, no, I really I don't sense that. I don't sense that. And you can't poll it. It needs to be people giving their opinion. If we beat Sunderland on Saturday, is everything OK again? It buys time. It buys time.

13:42And people might start to go, oh, you know, stick with the manager. it might do that but I know like I know before Brentford I was massively stick with the manager Amramin etc etc but I know even when we beat Chelsea a lot of people were still Amram out I know when we beat Burnley a lot of people were still Amram out I don't think this fan base there might be some but I don't think this fan base is like results driven anymore and what I mean by that is lose win win this is manchester united football club most of our fans are very very capable of forming an opinion it might be an annoying opinion it might be a toxic opinion it might be a toxic positivity opinion but i really don't think beating sunderland on saturday which is not a fork on conclusion anyway i don't think if we beat sunderland at sunderland on saturday everyone will be going that's it i still expect the international break to be about when when are any of us going to make the change because unless he beats Sunderland 4-0 without Bruno in the midfield and Lemans in goal and Luke Shaw's not playing left centre-back I mean look maybe maybe maybe I'm saying never like if Lemans is in goal and Heaven is left centre-back with Yoro and De Ligt and the midfield two is Agathe and Mainu maybe and you win three or four nil and maybe people go right if he sticks with that vision he's got a chance but if we beat Sunderland it's going to be with Bruno in the midfield.

15:09And that is not going to work. So I actually don't. I might be wrong on this, but I don't see beating Sunderland as a saviour. I really don't. I think it just buys in time. I think we're already into the long goodbye, which we've seen so many times. And people might say, oh, you've been so negative. That's fine. You've formed an opinion that's different to mine. Brilliant. And have I said, Amri Mount? No, I don't want to sack another manager because I'm stubbornly pig-headed and I do not want to sack another manager. I'm tired of sacking managers. I want to sack players. I want to change the ownership.

15:43So I will stubbornly say I do not want to sack another manager, even though I accept he's doing bloody awful. But we have been through this collectively so many times over the years. We are definitely in the long goodbye. We saw it with Ten Hag. We saw it with Oli. We saw it with Jose. We saw it with Van Gaal. You know there's a result that is the result before the result. I think West Ham with Mourinho. West Ham away with Mourinho was the result where I went, that's going to be it. He didn't get sacked then, but I went, that's the beginning of the end. With Oli, I feel it was the Liverpool game when he got smacked up at home.

16:23I felt that that was the end. It wasn't the game he got sacked, but it was. Ten Hag was a little bit different because I think they sacked Ten Hag too quickly because they didn't like him anyway but I feel that that Brentford result is the result where basically there will be no way back and I love to be wrong about it at some point somebody will come back from a position you don't think they can come back from but somebody in the chat just said why is there no way back there's no way back because I don't well it's not it's not about me there's no way back because there's no trust in the players they cannot do what needs to be done they literally cannot play consistent football and win week in week out so they're always going to absolutely guaranteed any money man united are going to do another brentford in the next two months maybe in the next two weeks but so we're definitely going to do another brentford which amram cannot afford that's it i could list off loads of things but actually based on fact these players cannot go and win five games in a row you're not in strands crying um and they definitely will do another brentford and this manager can't afford another brentford so he's definitely in my opinion he's definitely gonna lose his job i think he knows he's gonna lose his job as well because he's intelligent that's it there'll be loads of people giving you big lists on why he's going to lose his job there will be another brentford he can't support another Brentford and he will get sacked unless we have a unless we have an ownership that is seriously going to defy logic on stubbornness of we can't sack him because we look idiots in which case he could stay for a long time but I just I just think simplistically you've got to take emotion out of it and that's why I'm saying even if we beat Sunderland it's not the way back because there'll be another Brentford around the corner and I don't think Liverpool after the international break is the Brentford by the way I think if he loses to Liverpool people will go well you'd expect that and you know you've got to factor in that we're gonna there's a very high chance that we're gonna have lost four games in our first eight games because we've lost three in the first six and we've got Liverpool in game eight so we'll have lost 50 percent of our games by game week eight which is you know it's not it's not great so that that's my interpretation of it i i don't feel that a win against sunderland brings everybody back behind the manager i think he's lost i was speaking to somebody on the weekends and they basically said something that many of you've said before why has amram lost the fan base when he speaks so and this was a great conversation actually i'm going to divert for one minute here um i was having a conversation with somebody on saturday and they said to me um because i went out after them i didn't watch the 5 30 game or the eight o 'clock game.

19:05I did an eight o 'clock show, but I went out for a meal on Saturday night in the pub and I was talking when I was getting some drinks with somebody who was a United fan. And they were saying, they said quite a lot of things, but they said, why is it a guy that we all really like? You know, he's like Ranić. He speaks so honestly. How is a guy that speaks so well and has retained so much support from the fan base, how has he lost that so quickly? And I said, because he's done things we don't agree with. like he's he had he had the united fan base in his hands despite bad results he speaks honestly he speaks about the problems he speaks about how long it's going to take he speaks about his vision he had the fan base in his hands and then unfortunately on a huge decision he made he made the decision he wanted to make and that's fine but it's a decision most of us do not like and effectively he's lost the fans because of team selections that the fans don't agree with I mean I mentioned last night about Gary Neville saying about Mason Mount at left back that obviously irritates him some people are irritated by behindering goal some people are irritated by Luke Shaw or Deleu or playing Harry Maguire as the last guy I'm irritated about him playing Bruno Fernandes in the midfield so that's where Amarim's lost the fans he actually had us all speaks really well speaks very honestly I you know I think he has had issues at the club but where he's lost us is just on basically team selections that nobody can get behind and I think if if we'd had this start to the season but he was playing Mainu and Agate in the midfield people would go he wanted a midfielder he didn't get one what else can he do but he's made matters worse by by his team selections i feel um yeah um what were you going to say about the manager well i've got some chats to read here i will okay i'll say this thing because it's not really news um a lot of people over the weekend were saying bring ollie back some people saying bring marino back some people were saying bring carrick back um it got me thinking if i was going to bring one of our ex-managers back i would bring ralph raniak back and and this will be really really not you know Not a lot of people want it.

21:18Some people say it's controversial. The World Cup Championship will be crowned this week, and you can trade the tourney through the finals on Cauchy, America's number one prediction market platform. Right now, Spain is trading at 58 % to beat Argentina, meaning 100 trade pays out 166 if they win. On Cauchy, you're trading against other people in a live market. No house, no odds makers. For a limited time, download the Cauchy app and use code DEFEND to get$10 when you trade$10. K-A-L-S-H-I. Kalshi. Trade the beautiful game. 18 plus only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Event contract trading involves risk and may not be suitable for all investors.

22:00Kalshi products are not available in all jurisdictions. Prices, values, and available markets may differ from those mentioned. For more information, see Kalshi.com forward slash regulatory. If I had to bring somebody back, I would bring Ralph Rangit back. Mourinho, I think, is past it. Oli, I never think, was it. uh carrick is massively untested i would bring ralph rangy back because he was the only guy that upset everybody bruno rashford sancho mcguire everybody he ronaldo he upset absolutely everybody because he wanted to clear the whole thing out he was the only guy that didn't you know amram said amram's got rid of some players but then he's kept other players Amunds sort of halfway housed it.

22:44Rangnick was the only one that was going to clear the whole lot. And also his recruitment is incredible. I mean, I haven't looked at it for a while, but when he was at Man United, the players he mentioned who became brilliant, like, you know, definitely Bardiel, definitely Alvarez, definitely Leymar. There was about seven players that hadn't moved yet. And he mentioned them all at Man United to come to Manchester United. So his recruitment's really good. His style of football is really good. And he would clean house. So I don't want to bring anybody back. But if I was going to bring anybody back, and also he's worked with Favell, who I think he's actually, I actually think Favell is good.

23:24I'm not convinced about Wilcox. I'm not convinced about Barada, but I actually think Favell is good. I would, if I had to bring somebody back, it would be Ranjic. I think he was the only one who understood we needed to clear house. You bring Oli back, he's just going to get him in a circle and give him a hug. probably bring Rashid and Sancho back as well. But I don't want to bring anybody back. I'm just saying Ranyuk was the one who I would bring back. Right, let me just grab some of your comments before we go into some other topics. The Ryder Cup is magic. I'm not a big fan of golf, but I did watch the end of that.

23:58It was good fun. Thank you, Shane, for that, if you enjoyed it. Chin says, Ineos should go and get Simeone. If you can't sort this shit out, then nobody can. Enough of soft hands bringing Ruthless authority. I don't want shit football though, Shin. I see a lot of people talking about Glasner, but Glasner plays with 30%. I think that if we're going for short-termism, get Simeone, get Glasner in. If we just want results, you know, but stylistically, I don't think it works for me. Ayo says, let's say we sold all the players and we've got all the Palace players under Amrim and we're playing against Liverpool in Old Trafford.

24:32Do you think we'll win? I think any manager, whether it be Ruben Amrim or the next manager has a better chance if they have 11 players that play as a team and work hard and work together. I mean, why did Grimsby beat us? They're not better than us, but they worked hard and they worked together. So I think if you bring that sort of culture mentality and, you know, intensity togetherness, then you're going to be a better team. I didn't agree with it at the time. And I think it was Roy Keane that said it. I mean, I didn't agree with the whole Bruno wanted to get subbed off at Anfield. That was unfair.

25:09He would never do that. I will always have Bruno's back in relation to him being a good player for the football club and he always wants to play. So you can never say that he'd want to get subbed. That was unfair. But where I do agree with what's been said by, I think it was Roy Keane and a couple of others, is that he's not a Man United captain. He's not. He's probably the best captain we've got, but he's not a Man United captain. And I think, again, take it away from the manager, take it away from the player. Why have we got an ownership that can't see? I find myself saying this so many times, and you're probably the same.

25:43Why can't they see what we see? Because they're clearly not fans of the football club. To be a fan of Manchester United, you've got to understand what the club is. Same for Liverpool, same for other clubs. You can't just say I'm a Man United fan. To be a Man United fan, you've got to understand the intricacies of being a Man United fan. You've got to know everything about what happened in 58. You've got to know everything about why youth is really important to us. You've got to understand that we've always been risk takers. We've always played with wingers. You've got to understand that to be a Manchester United player, you're not necessarily a Chelsea player.

26:19There's something about being a Man United player. And that doesn't mean you're better than Chelsea. What it means is there's a different demand as a Man United player. It's the intensity. It's the scrutiny. There's something about being a Man United player that makes you go, that's a Man United player. So, when someone like Roy Keane says Bruno Fernandes is not a Man United captain, there's probably nobody better qualified, other than someone like Brian Robson, to say what a Man United captain is on this planet. So, you know, we probably should listen. The issue is, is he the best captain we've got?

26:51And that's what I've always said, who is better than Bruno as the captain of Man United? I don't really think there's a case. But the bigger issue is, is why are we making do? why have we not solved a problem that's been a problem for three years like why is he still the captain of manchester united if he's not a captain like and and again you look at it again and it's just the mentality of the club seems to be make do some football clubs do have like a and normally it's latin it's a statement of what their club stands for villa have got one other clubs have got one man united's new statement of you know what we're all about seems to be let's make do because everywhere we look, look at the goalkeeper now, look at the midfield now.

27:33If Sesco gets injured, look at the attack now. It's like, let's make do. And that's not how you win. That's not how you be the best at anything by making do. And I think the captaincy is a very important thing when you're going back to that, what Ayus says about Crystal Palace and the togetherness. How can you be together when your leader separates and divides? And whatever you say about Bruno Fernandes, he's a good player for Portugal when he's not the captain. At Man United, I think he's a very divisive leader. Some people might love him as a captain. Some people are going to bloody hate him as a captain.

28:09Maybe Leni Oro responds to being thrown under the bus unfairly after a Manchester derby. Or maybe he goes, it wasn't my fucking fault. It was his fault. Why am I getting the shit for it? So this is what I mean about leadership. Leadership needs to be all inclusive. Leadership needs to be all inspiring. We don't have that. And we saw it on the weekend. So if somebody wants to defend our leadership at Manchester United, then, you know, I don't see how you can, because we've just watched an abysmal performance. I mean, I was talking to Robbie this morning about the red card that Nathan Collins should have got.

28:44I mean, let me read you this, actually, because we're diverting again, but it's a very, very good point. um so basically i read this this morning um on social media man united are two missed penalties away from being two points behind arsenal small margins become catastrophic and fantastic um so basically what it's saying is if bruno fernandez had scored his penalty against full and we'd have two more points and if um if if we'd scored his penalty at the weekend we'd have another point i don't know whether that puts us two points behind arsenal or not it puts us on 10 points doesn't it so arsenal are on 13 there would be three points behind arsenal but you could argue that you know we're a soft penalty decision against burnley away from dropping two points we're a stupid goalkeeper away from not getting three points against chelsea um i i don't i don't look at this season and say that bruno fernandez's penalty decisions are why you know penalty misses why we're not in the top four.

29:49We're not in the top four because we're shit. That's why we're not in the top four. I don't think we're fine margins away from a good season. And this goes back to the weekend because I was talking with Robbie this morning on his show about the red card that should have been given to Nathan Collins. And at 2-1, even with Bruno missing the penalty, you'd expect us to get a point with 20 minutes to go against Brentford who would have to sit back. And it would be an undeserved point. So, Brentford deserve to beat us comprehensively, regardless of the fact they should have had a man sent off. So, I think in football, sometimes you can be in a false position.

30:28My question to you is, do you think after six games, United are in a false position?

30:35Absolutely not. I think if we're 14th, it's where we deserve to be. I've watched every team this season, apart from, funnily enough, Sunderland, which is probably going to be a baptism of fire on Saturday. But I've watched every single team this season and I do not think we're in a false position. I think we are exactly where we deserve to be. And I think 15th and Europa League losers was exactly what we deserved last year. I don't feel that, and it's a scary thing because I'm not saying it from, oh yeah, we're getting what we deserve. I'm saying it as a message to the owners. If you think this is a top 14, explain to me why after six games we are 14th and we deserve to be 14.

31:15after six games. Like, how do you put this team in the top four when we're 14th? And we deserve to be there. I don't see the injustice or the fine margins or anything like that. I see a team that went to Brentford in the best possible mood, with the best possible preparation, after the best possible result, and didn't bloody turn up. And that, to me, can be about the manager, of course, but I would love to be in that dressing room a couple of minutes before they walk out for the Brentford game and just say, look, I've been to the future. You play fucking shit. So explain to me what your mindset is walking out there, because I've seen this result.

31:55You lose. So why are you going to lose this game? What is it you're missing that the Crystal Palace dressing room is missing? What is it that you're missing that the Sunderland dressing room is missing? What is it you're missing that the Brentford dressing room... I know you're going to fuck this game up before you even walk out there. Tell me what it is in your head that's going to make you play shit bruno why are you going to play shit why are you going to play shit why you i would love to know in their heads what it is because they might go um is this off the record well i'm about to tell 15 000 people but yes i don't like the manager i don't like the system um i just can't be asked i don't i don't like the owners you know i'd love to know i'm just not motivated you know i don't know what it is but i'd love to know what it is because we all know they walked out onto that pitch on Saturday again and didn't perform collectively.

32:46And there's a reason for that. There is a reason that we don't scrutinize enough. Why is it 11 players walk out on the pitch and don't perform for Man United consistently? And why is it 11 players for other teams do? The World Cup Championship will be crowned this week, and you can trade the tourney through the finals on Cauchy, America's number one prediction market platform. Right now, Spain is trading at 58 % to beat Argentina, meaning 100 trade pays out 166 if they win. On Kalshi, you're trading against other people in a live market. No house, no odds makers. For a limited time, download the Kalshi app and use code DEFEND to get$10 when you trade$10.

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34:03I spent two weeks in Ann Arbor talking to everybody I could find. the unintended consequences of these programs. They had sort of left everybody dissatisfied. And this expensive machinery the school had built just imploded. If you're a journalist, you are not on anyone's team. All you're trying to do is figure out as many of the facts as you can gather. The facts are going to guide you to where the story lands. You're not taking sides. I'm Nick Confessori. I'm an investigations reporter for The New York Times. Journalists like Nick follow the facts wherever they lead. They go where news breaks, get answers firsthand, and publish what they find.

34:42That's fact-based reporting. Seek it out if you don't already. If nobody was performing, we'd be really harsh. We'd be like, what? We're moaning for moaning's sake. Why do we moan about our team all the time not performing when everyone else doesn't perform either? There's something that we miss. There's something that we're not discussing. Why is it that dressing room walks out onto that pitch and doesn't perform from minute one? Why do they never get going? And as somebody said in the watch along, nothing happened in that game. At no point did United go, Spark, let's get going. Nobody. I don't want Amrind to be the only one leaving sporting staff and the CEO need to go too, says John United.

35:24Only then will I be okay with changing the manager. Syndicate says, we've not been okay since the day we sacked Jose and gave birth to this Xenomor sensational called player power out with the glazers and 16 players uh pan says i backed amrin from the start but his recent mistakes are huge only the broadmouth manager tempts me though he may fall too through in the theory could pep even fixes i don't think anyone can fix this that's my personal opinion but it doesn't mean i'm right uh daniel says what if he wins the next three so the next three games are sunderland at home liverpool away and brighton at home if he wins the next three games he stays but honestly and this is only my opinion if he won the next three games he probably gets to christmas maybe even the end of the season because he can live off those three wins he just extends his stay i don't think he stays i i personally don't think there's a way back now but look i don't think he's going to win the next three the united strand ain't get an haircut let's put it that way um in fact if united strands going around to somebody's house for christmas get another room because your air is going to be massive stoffing says man united players are paid more than the premier league average to have the mentality to deal with the pressure and the scrutiny jamie lewis says stop playing luke shaw and maguire the low and bruno this isn't a new team i'd rather keep ruben over the years we've seen it with different managers same players same mistakes i think jamie make thanks for your super chat by the way i think Jamie makes a very good point as well I think Amirim probably doesn't understand this and and he should be he should be educated on this Delo was bought by I want to say Jose I don't know whether Delo was bought by Jose but he's been here a long time Bruno was bought by Oli Maguire was bought by Oli Luke Shaw was bought by Van Gaal they've been here years.

37:17All of them are basically in his best 11. Yes, they've sacked multiple managers, but they've been here for years. Nobody trusts them. Bruno Fernandes is a fantastic player. Luke Shaw used to be a fantastic player. And Harry Maguire is a decent player. But they can't be the build because we're tired of it. We're really tired of it. It's like when you live at home and every Monday night your mum does gammon and chips and she says I'm mixing it up this week and you think oh god what am I going to get when I get home and you come home you've got gammon and chips and a bit of pineapple it's like we've still got gammon and chips it's not different it's not different and I think that this is something that probably doesn't get spoken about enough and the manager completely doesn't understand but we can't get behind a new system a new formation, a new vision and a project that's using players we've seen part of four other projects.

38:17We can't get behind that. Why do you think 75 % of United fans wanted Bruno to go to Saudi? It wasn't because we think he's a bad player. It was the opportunity to take the money and actually rebuild. It was never about Bruno being a bad player. It was never about Bruno Fernandez being disliked it was what it symbolized if you sold Bruno for 90 million you were basically turning your back on the Deleuze the Maguires and the Shores and the Brunos to build something new which we all know we need to do we know we've got to build something new in that direction but everything we build is always looking in that direction at what we've already done and that's the problem and Amron doesn't get this and this is why in that pup conversation I had on Saturday this is why he's lost the fans because he's meant to be building something new and he will have the support to do that but in building something new he's using everything from the old and and i don't think he understands that the fan base is tired of luke shaw de l 'eau harry maguire bruno fernandez being part of a rebuild there's nothing wrong with those players by the way harry maguire could go and play for everton and have a very good career bruno fernandez could go to buy munich and be brilliant um it's just it's not a rebuild and i think he's missed the boat on that one and he's not educated himself on that one another manager burned when the blame should be with glenios wilcox and barada they failed him not selling players or buying in more players i think you make a good point daniel odegaard's pastor lewis skelly was killer we need that sort of quality and we have that with bruno but not in the midfield says rajaf it was that was an amazing pass i know what you're talking about uh rohit says i want a manager who is fearless to throw out people if it's not working amarin was betrayed by players um and inios amarin was no one other than bruno as leader because of his player power um maybe project 28 was a epl points target for amarin says one inch wonder why can palace buy a three play three four two one and united can't players andro players players ability players iq players togetherness players work rate i don't think this magnanimity team can play any formation.

40:25Terry Ten Hag. Eric Ten Hag got sacked playing a 4-3-3. Amrim could get sacked playing a 3-4-3. At the end, Oli was playing a 5-3-2. I don't think there is a system. Remember Oli got sacked, went to Spurs just before he got sacked, played a back five. We've seen every formation. They can't do it. Jar of shit with Nutella branding. That's United now, else is barren mark amrin could try something new he won't i don't think he should though keel for literally brilliant timing 15 000 watching this morning absolute legends if you're watching live get your comments in as always if you're not watching live leave your comments loads of people interact with them after the show keel you've timed that perfection um amrin could try something new but he won't what did i just say about ollie towards the end he abandoned his 4-3-3 went into survival mode started playing a back five still got sacked i don't i don't think amram should change because i think he's going to lose his job anyway better to lose your job on principle than to change who you really are and lose your job anyway if he changes who he is he's still going to get the sack if he goes to a 4-3-3 he'll still get the sack uh greg says bored of it all now amram in amram out amram shake it all about no change will make a difference constant changes hinder our ability to improve unfortunately greg i haven't changed my opinion i'm very much of the opinion that nothing will change at manchester united regardless of changing a manager uh syndicate says relegation is what we need to get rid of the owners and 16 players these players are not uve players like bupon del piero who play for the fans thank you very much for that as well okay let me just come back in here to the live chat um i suppose i mean somebody did say a while ago what do you think happens next he's definitely going to be here for the um the Sunderland game um I don't see a sacking like I mean look look at what West Ham did with Harry Potter um sorry Graham Potter I mean they let him do the press conference on Friday and then sacked him on Saturday morning when they've got a game on Monday so we're not going to do something like that uh and you know we're certainly not about to make big big calls like that I don't think united are going to do that um i think the international break will be where it really heats up um what i think will happen is regardless of the results on sunday and saturday against sunderland i think the international break is going to heat up i think so many obviously i speak to a lot of people i speak to people on the united stand i speak to you um obviously i speak to the you know the presenters on the united stand ricky etc i know i know i know on saturday there was a big shift um and this will be music to the ears who want the people who are amram out but there was a huge shift on saturday um it was a huge shift from me i didn't say amram out but i said look you know this is not working um trust me if this fan base was behind amram there was a very very big reaction that was easy it was an open goal reaction the DAR and the PJMOL basically were corrupt on Saturday in the sense that they changed the rules that were written we could have got a result out of that game if they'd followed the rules and we played against 10 men for the last 20 minutes they messed up they completely changed their own rules so if we were all behind Amorim we'd all be talking about that you know what I heard PJMOL are absolutely rubbish at their job it's a disgrace they got that wrong but i ain't using that as an excuse because brentford should have won 5-1 that was the takeaway from the weekend we got absolutely done over even alan shearer said it on match of the day everybody said it but nobody used it as an excuse because we were shite and that was the big big change that um i saw at the weekend that really massively damages Amrim's future is that I feel that people basically got to the point where they realized that this is this ship is not turning around and the world cup championship will be crowned this week and you can trade the tourney through the finals on Kalshi America's number one prediction market platform right now Spain is trading at 58 to beat Argentina meaning 100 trade pays out$166 if they win.

44:47On Kalshi, you're trading against other people in a live market. No house, no odds makers. For a limited time, download the Kalshi app and use code DEFEND to get$10 when you trade$10. K-A-L-S-H-I. Kalshi. Trade the beautiful game. 18 plus only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Event contract trading involves risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Kalshi products are not available in all jurisdictions. Prices, values and available markets may differ from those mentioned for more information see calshe.com forward slash regulatory i always say when fans make their mind up it's very difficult to change your mind i mean i want i'm going to turn this around i want the miracle but i'm not expecting it whereas i think before brentford i was expecting it i i wouldn't say i was i would bet my mortgage on it but i was expecting i still believed in the turnaround I think the best statement I would say is before the Brentford game, I believed it could turn around.

45:49I now do not think it can be turned around. I don't. I can't tell you how long it's going to take for it to end, but I feel it will. And I think a lot of people feel like that now. And also, I don't think football fans like changing their mind. I mean, I might be wrong on this, but I don't think we like changing our mind. I think if we decide a new signing's a flock, we don't tend to think, I'll change my mind next week if he scores. I think if a manager is, you know, if you think a manager is going to lose his job, you don't want to next week be going, I'm going to change my mind. We're simple.

46:24We're simple creatures. You know, we want to believe in something. And then when we don't believe in it, we make our mind up and then we don't believe it anymore. And I think something changed for Amrum at the weekend that he's going to find it very hard to come back for. I don't think there is a way back. And that's the same with the media. And that's certainly the same with the ex-players as well. Eddie Mack says, what's the end game? How many more managers? Well, I mean, that's a separate conversation. I don't see a way back for Amrin, but I don't see a way forward for another manager. Matteo says, is the only way back for him to play Lemenz, Hevendelit, Masraoui, Dorgou, Menou, Agate, Amant, Sesko, Kunja and Bermog?

47:00A fresh start with Amrin. That's what he should have done, mate. He had an opportunity to do that in the summer and he refused to do it. He had an opportunity to go down that road in the summer, build something new, and he chose to stick with the past. So many of you said when he didn't sell Bruno to Saudi, that could be the decision that destroys him. And you know what? I don't think you're wrong. He had an opportunity to symbolically say, we're going in a new direction, and he stuck with the past. And the hilarious thing is the players, I'll never understand this because Ten Hag did it as well.

47:32I'll never understand a manager. that stakes his future on players he didn't buy. He didn't buy Bruno. He didn't buy Dillon. He didn't buy Maguire. He didn't buy Shaw. And he stakes his future on them. And Ten Hag did the same. And I'm like, you didn't buy these players. How can you come into a football club saying we need a rebuild and we need to build something new? And then you stake your future on a core of players that you didn't buy. I'll never understand that. I remember saying the same thing about Ten Hag. How can you come in as a new manager with a new vision and then use the core of players that sacked the previous manager that you didn't buy?

48:10I mean, does that come from the top? You know, you have to use these players. I just don't know. Well, it can't do because he was allowed to remove Rashford, wasn't he? He was allowed to remove Ganafjo. Amorim playing strictly by seniority to prove a point to the board. It's also keeping his job safe, barring relegations, says Nicky. uh based on the trajectory how long before we end up like leads in the mid-2000s is wuzzy i don't think i don't i don't think bankruptcy will be a problem for manchester united because we haven't what leads did is they massively spent way above their means to get back in the champions league and they missed out and it killed them um man united haven't spent massively beyond their means so i think we'll be okay um best united performance of the last five years mark for me the two legs against barcelona up there what did we do well what were the ingredients i agree with you big z but i can't remember what the ingredients were i'd say we just turned up we're basically trying to build a new boat with rotten wood from the old wrecks as mike bruno will go in january regardless of amram's futures as fdc uh inios have always been fixed spots for positions if we want cdm we have to sell bruno or maynew inios and ruben both didn't know the midfield plan that's to anant uh pan says if we play 4-3-3 we don't have an out an out left winger um ben says why half the outlets leading with Amrim back to another half with Amrim getting sacked?

49:27Is it because board not sure or leaks? I've not seen anybody saying he's going to get sacked. What I think you're getting, mate, is what the media is. Inconsistent and led by sensationalism. I do not think he's getting sacked at the moment. I think the story from Simon Stone yesterday was the story that basically steadied the ship in that sense. Ineos has made nine signings and cleared failures apart from few. Most of the starting 11 is Ineos, so really to know who we're talking about. Says Anant, no one realised that Bruno is coaching during the game all the time and he's not even playing well.

49:58He's a big issue, says Mini. Think about our last three captains. This almost doesn't mean anything anymore. It's a reflection of where the club is, says Baz. And Luciano says, people want formation change, but we don't have wingers except for Mbamo and Ahmad. What would we do and what are we going to do in the AFCON? Good point. Good point. JB says, why Amarim don't play our youth like Barcelona? We have so many youth that can replace Bruno, Shaw, Maguire, says JB. I mean, look, you make a good point about Barcelona using the youth. My personal feeling is it's very unfair to throw the youth into this situation because I always use Paddy McNair as an example.

50:34He was a good young player. Van Gaal threw him in and basically didn't have a good game, subbed him off after half an hour and that was the end of him. I think Barcelona play in a very different league to the Premier League as well. You can expect to win half of your league games quite comfortably regardless of whatever you play. in the Premier League, there's nowhere to hide. So I don't think young players are the solution for Manchester United. Well, having said that, Lenny Oro's young. Dorgue is young. Mainu is young. Those sort of players I would give a chance because they have a level experience as well.

51:06We're still looking for a quick fix, says Kiel. He'd go for an interim first. I think it's time Bruno was taken off penalties. I mean, look, John, absolutely. I mean, for me, it's probably not a massive topic, but in another way, if we get a penalty on Saturday, it's a huge topic. His penalty against Fulham was abysmal and his penalty against Brentford was abysmal. He should be off penalties now. You're absolutely correct. Like those penalties should be being scored. They were shit. So he should be off them, especially when you've got someone like Mbermo who can take them. Kunja can take them.

51:39He shouldn't be on penalties. But the scary thing is, can Amrin take Bruno off penalties? Does he have the authority? Yes. But how would Bruno react to that? Has Bruno got too much power in that club? I don't know. I don't know why all the managers at United end up losing their jobs due to favourite players. Is it due to lack of options or politics? I think we just talked about that, Arch. I don't know why new managers come in and use old players. I thought our season started after 10 games, says Rios, flip-flop FC. You didn't watch the show last night, did you, mate? I don't set my opinion in stone.

52:16I don't think any human being does. I think huge factors can change things. I did say, I think the season starts on game week 10, but I didn't expect on the road to game week 10, we would get stuffed by Brentford. I thought we might lose to Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal. And my theory was, by the time we get week to game week 10, we haven't got to play those sort of teams again and we should be up to speed. I think when you get stuffed by Brentford, you can shove your game week 10 up your arse because that wasn't part of the plan. um the biggest problem with amram is there's no account and i'm talking to myself there i'm talking to myself saying a couple of weeks ago let's give it 10 games and see where we are i don't think i think he still will be here on game week 10 so in a way that's still going to ring true but you can't play like that against brentford you can't lose three games out of six you can't have a win percentage of under 30 you can't be being stuffed by brentford and go i need more time like it's just not going to happen at some point there has to be a kick-in of standards at the football club and I as I said I think people who were screaming Amrim out after Man City it's a little bit mistimed because it's Man City or it's Arsenal but after Brentford you can't defend it you know that there is everyone's got a right to say now it's enough is enough um I'm just sort of like well what's next you know I don't I don't believe next solved the problem Chikorito says the biggest problem with Amrum is there's no accountability when seniors players play badly and they will never be dropped his downfall has always been team selection and favoritism to certain players with first major mistake in the Europa League fight I mean look people talk Bruno Bruno Bruno Bruno the World Cup championship will be crowned this week and you can trade the tourney through the finals on Cauchy America's number one prediction market platform Right now, Spain is trading at 58 % to beat Argentina, meaning 100 trade pays out 166 if they win.

54:11On Calci, you're trading against other people in a live market. No house, no odds makers. For a limited time, download the Calci app and use code DEFEND to get$10 when you trade$10. K-A-L-S-H-I. Calci. Trade the beautiful game. 18 plus only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Event contract trading involves risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Calci products are not available in all jurisdictions. Prices, values, and available markets may differ from those mentioned. For more information, see calci.com forward slash regulatory. Another player that, you know, in some ways is bigger favoritism than Bruno is Luke Shaw.

54:50He actually hasn't had a good game this season. He's played every single game. Yoro started the season well, doesn't start anymore. Luke Shaw still starts. Like, Luke Shaw has cost us a few goals this season and plays every bloody game. I mean, that's favouritism in a bow. I'm not taking the blame away from the owners or players, but when Amrim keeps Maino on the bench to play a Garte, who can't plask, Bruno is indisciplined, and Binder, Man City and Brentford is on him, says Jimmy. There's still four players who were here when Ralph Rangit called for captain. He's one of them. Guess the other three.

55:21It's not the manager. You can't bandage Kansas, says Connect. When are we going to call out director of football and CEO? They're the reason we're in this chaos, is AKS. well I think they should be called out I think they have been called out and I think they should be called out um Harry Maguire penalties when he top pins the cameras as big Z Rome influence that influence thanks for your super chat and do you think Amrim lied to get the job says Keel I think Ineos lied to Amrim no I don't think Amrim took the job knowing he wasn't going to get 500 million sorry six players in the summer as long as we have each other in this community we support our club as long as we live says Roblin exactly Dan says how do we play so good against Arsenal in the beginning of the season and now play so terribly?

55:59Oh, that's really easy to answer that because we're Manchester United and we can play well against anyone and we can play shit against anyone. We've known that for ages. Morning Mark and chat. Remember if Amrim does go, some of his appointments may stay. Whoever comes in will bring their own coaches. He might stay like Bruno. We will have to wait and see. Says Tom. D16 says, Amrim has done us again. Saudi aren't mugs. They won't give us that 90 million. Now, how they didn't sell him is beyond me. Probably booze at Old Trafford next week because I expect Sunderland will get a result. Always a sign the end is near.

56:31That's with McElvis. Why do you think he sticks with past players? Have certain players got too much power? Is there an order from above? I just don't understand this, says Jack. And he would earn more time by playing to their collective strengths. Good managers do that. He's showing their weaknesses and it doesn't help them or him. Look, there is a case with Amrim. Many sporting fans would say it didn't start well there and then it got gradually better and better and better. That will be the get-out for him, the players and the owners. And I think that's where they are at the moment. If you can't understand why he's still the manager of Man United, I think that's the line they're sticking to.

57:08He didn't start off well at Sporting. A lot of change had to happen and it gradually got better and better and better. And if that happens, they're going to look very, very insightful. I just don't think you can compare Sporting to Manchester United because we watch the games. There's going to be another Brentford and I don't think you can afford another Brentford. Thanks everyone for watching. Fantastic show this morning. We're back live at two o 'clock, obviously about the evening show as well. I don't think we're going to be reacting to a sacking this week. I really, really don't. Maybe next week.

57:40I don't know. See what happens on Saturday. But I'd certainly start thinking about it. I know the club will be as well. Roman, for instance, I emailed you about a great sponsorship opportunity. Can you look at it and get back to me? Great content as always. Okay, I'll take a look at that, pal. Thank you very much. Have a great day, everyone. Stay safe, and I'll speak to you all in a bit. Take care.

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