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7 Oct 2025 · 52m · 14 chapters

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203: Amorim's REVOLT! Unhappy FIVE Planning January EXIT!

In short

Manchester United’s January “player revolt” risk under Ruben Amorim, driven by a one-game-a-week schedule, injuries, and an oversized squad. The host argues Amorim will face multiple players asking to leave for World Cup minutes, while the club’s off-pitch cost cutting is harming the academy (e.g., under-13s borrowing shorts/socks; staff shortages; alleged uncleaned toilets/bins, fading signs). He also discusses Amorim’s tactical adjustments (more direct play with goalkeeper and striker) and Peter Schmeichel’s view on goalkeeping mistakes.

Guests (named)

Wayne Rooney (commentary on Amorim after Sunderland; praises Sesko’s role and Amorim’s directness; stresses the need for leaders). Peter Schmeichel (goalkeeping perspective on Le Mans: mistakes are inevitable; focus is reaction and pathway).

Key claims/examples

Joshua Zirkzee, Harry Maguire, Amad, and others may seek January exits; Amorim can’t give everyone minutes. Youth loans are suggested (Obi, Leon, Heaven). Schmeichel: “mistakes will happen.” Rooney: Amorim changed style vs Sunderland; consistency needed. Academy examples: under-13 kit borrowing; coaches/analysts washing kits.

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Chapters

0:46

Amarim's Player Revolt and Manchester United Issues

Discussion on the potential player revolt at Manchester United and club issues.

“Also, we've got Wayne Rooney talking about Ruben Amarim and how he thinks he did after that Sunderland game.”
2:29

January Transfer Window and Player Concerns

Analysis of players seeking game time and their potential January exits.

“OK, let's fly into topic number one because we've got quite a few to get through on this morning, this show.”
7:40

Schmeichel's Insights on Le Mens

Discussion on Peter Schmeichel's comments regarding Le Mens and player reactions.

“Agarte may well think he's a starter for Uruguay, but he didn't start one of the games.”
9:41

Squad Dynamics and Future Stability

Exploring the dynamics of Manchester United's squad and future stability.

“So don't be disillusioned about the fact that the World Cup is important to a lot of people.”
14:01

Analyzing Manchester United's Player Frustrations

Discussion on player frustrations at Manchester United and the implications of a large squad.

“Martin Saunders with the Super Chat says, I get the players' frustration, but Amrim sees them in training and some need to accept at United their bench players, too many weak personalities at United.”
17:31

Wayne Rooney's Insights on Ruben Amorim

Discussion of Wayne Rooney's comments about Ruben Amorim and team dynamics.

“Let me talk to you about what Wayne Rooney had to say anyway.”
20:52

The Need for Leadership at Manchester United

Exploration of the lack of leadership in the current Manchester United squad and potential solutions.

“I think that's a very pragmatic, honest approach from Wayne Rooney, because nowhere in there is we're back.”
24:14

Balancing Player Rotation and Team Success

Discussion on the challenges of player rotation given the squad size and performance needs.

“I have strength in my own conviction to make a decision.”
28:00

Youth Player Development and Loan Opportunities

Discussion on the youth players at Manchester United and the need for loans for their development.

“I think people look at it and go, Amirim is, you know, free Xerxes or free Mainu or this, that and the other.”
34:21

Issues at Manchester United and Management Decisions

Analyzing the current management issues at Manchester United, including player strategy and infrastructure.

“It depends what particular point you're talking about.”
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42:03

Concerns About Man United Academy Facilities

Learn about the ongoing issues with the Manchester United Academy's maintenance and staffing.

“There are allegations that toilets have been left uncleaned, bins unemptied and pitch perimeters worn and littered, with complaints made that there are not enough maintenance staff employed to maintain standards.”
43:03

Embarrassing State of Youth Setup

Explore the embarrassment faced by Manchester United's youth teams due to inadequate facilities and support.

“All those who wear club track suits, including academy coaches and first team analysts, but excluding players, Ruben Amrum and his coaching staff, now have to wash their own kits.”
48:49

Losing Young Talent to Competitors

Understand the risks of losing young players to rival clubs like Man City due to poor facilities.

“And I know it sounds a little bit like I've turned up to football matches in the past where you've had to borrow a kit from the other team.”
51:01

Plans and Concerns for the Future

Discuss the lack of clear direction and planning for Manchester United amidst ongoing issues.

“We're cutting costs all over the place for the first team and the first team isn't good enough.”
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0:45How does he solve that problem? Does he need to solve that problem? Also, we've got Wayne Rooney talking about Ruben Amarim and how he thinks he did after that Sunderland game. Also, Peter Schmeichel, Man United goalkeeping legend, giving his opinion on Le Mans. And also, as well, some quite disturbing stuff coming out from the club again. Essentially, the cuts are starting to bite. You can't sack half a workforce and not expect kickback. And whilst Man United will always do their best to spin positives about how great everything is, the reality behind the scenes isn't great. I mean, somebody said to me in the summer from within the club that Man United is like a lovely bowl of soup, but then you've got to try and eat it with your hands tied behind your back.

1:34And I think that's what always is in my mind when I think about Man United. There's so much potential there, but you try and eat a bowl of soup with your hands tied behind your back. It's difficult. And I think that is ultimately the problem at Manchester United. It's a bit of a it's a it's a bit of a shit show if we're being completely honest. But we'll come on to that because there's embarrassing stuff about youth teams turning up and having to borrow shorts and socks or whatever it is. Facilities are crap for the youth. All that will happen there, by the way, is if you cut costs in one area to benefit another area, you'll cause a problem there as well.

2:10So all these 13, 14, 15 year olds that could be the next Beckham, the next Rashford, the next Greenwood, the next Scholes, they'll go to Man City. That's what will happen. So if we want to, you know, if we're cutting costs in the youth for the first team, we'll end up paying the price in the future. And, you know, who is the youth player that's coming into the first team at the moment? So hello, Mark. Great to hear you. Well, says Tony, you too as well. OK, let's fly into topic number one because we've got quite a few to get through on this morning, this show. So effectively, reports coming in that there are a number of players looking to, you know, who want game time, basically.

2:53It's World Cup year. We play one game a week and certain players are not getting anywhere near the minutes they would. To be honest with you, look, reading some of these reports, obviously we spoke about Maynou at the weekend. So I sort of want to leave that one because it's quite obvious. Xerxes was in the Dutch squad, can't get near the Man United First XI at the moment. Agate, first teamer for Uruguay, didn't start in the last international break. Harry Maguire still would love to go to the World Cup with England, not getting minutes now, although he did start against Brentford. So there's a number of players there that could, in January, be asking to leave again.

3:36And it's whether Amrim and the club will let them go. So it's a difficult one because I think with every one of those players we're talking about, I'm not so sure that any of them get in my starting lineup bar, probably Maynou. Although I would pick Maynou and Agate over Casemiro and Bruno. But this is, you know, an honest to blame for this, you know, because if we hadn't lost in the Carabao Cup, there would have been another game for these players to get game time. The big problem you've got at the moment, let's talk about Joshua Zerxy. The big problem you've got if you're Xerxe is that it's year two.

4:09And we've got this thing at the moment. We had it with Sesco. We've seen it with Virts. You'll see it with Izak. You'll see it with Ultimaida. You'll see it with any new signing. There's just this modern phenomenon to try and call a new signing a flop. We saw it with Agate at the start of last season. I mean, I've never really understood it with Agate. There's people in our fan base who just can't stand him. They abuse him under his social media posts. They've never liked him. I don't know why. Like certain players, I look at them and I go, yeah, I sort of get it. They're quite dislikable. Agathe has got to be the most friendly looking player there is.

4:44I don't get why people don't like him. But look, that's a different conversation. My point is for Xerxes, it's season two. He's getting less time than he did in season one. In season one, he was potentially going back to Italy. And Amrim basically persuaded him to stay. and he was happy in January. He was doing well from January to April. Then he got injured and now he can't get anywhere near the team having had an injury in pre-season. I think that injury in pre-season has set him back, but he's now miles behind. You know, Mount's way ahead of him. Kunya, Mbermo, Ahmad. He's not a midfielder either.

5:21And Cesco's playing up front. So there's no pathway to the first team for him. You could say the same for probably Harry Maguire now, to be honest. I don't think he'll get that much game time. I think he only gets brought on for the last 10 minutes to give him some game time. I don't think we need to make that substitution at the back. In fact, sometimes I think it's annoying how we keep making substitutions at the back. But Agate, Mainu, we've mentioned them as well. Xerxe, there are players that it's hard to see how they're going to get game time. And we are looking at bringing players into Manchester United, of course.

5:54But this is part of managing. This is part of being a manager at Manchester United. It's difficult. He's going to get knocked. He might have knocks on the door to Omar Barada about bringing players in in January, but there's going to be knocks on his door saying, I want to go in January again. There will be because we're playing one game a week. If I'm Joshua Zerksy, I'm looking at it and I'm going international break. I'm sat on my arse. I have been sat, you know, training with the Netherlands. I'm sat on my arse. World Cup year. After the international break, Liverpool, I'm not going to play in that game.

6:27Brighton, not going to play in that game. Forrest and Spurs away. I'm not going to play in that game. And I'm going to be sat in the next international break. And then it's nearly Christmas. So players will only sit there for so long. I don't think they're knocking on the door yet, but they will only sit there for so long. And on top of that, we've had bad results. We've had injuries. It's not like you're sat there waiting for United to have bad results or Man United to have injuries. We've had the injuries. You think about the injuries we've already had this season. Masraoui's had two. Mason Mount.

6:59Cunha, Casemiro's been suspended. Sesco's not had match fitness. So there are, and we've had lots of bad results. So there's been plenty of time where you could put your hand up if you're Manu or Agate or Xerxe and go, hey, where's my opportunity? But playing one game a week, it's really, really difficult. I mean, if you're Cunha or Mount at the moment, one game a week's not great because one of you starts, one of you's on the bench, you might get 20 minutes. and then another week goes. So in some ways, the squad is too big. In some ways, we are swamped in certain positions, centre-back and number 10.

7:38But I think some of these players will be knocking on the door and I think the reports are correct because when you look at it, Xerxes probably got no chance of going to the World Cup now, but if you went and started playing in January and the Netherlands get a couple of injuries, maybe you do. Agarte may well think he's a starter for Uruguay, but he didn't start one of the games. maybe he loses his place if he's not playing. Maynou, same as Xerxi, probably not going to be going to the World Cup now because we're into international break too and he's not in the squad. But you never know, if you get a loan move in January and you start playing, maybe you do feel your way back in.

8:11So you can understand it. And also longer term than the World Cup, you're going to be looking for a move in the summer anyway. So I think all these things are going to happen. And don't underestimate the power of the World Cup. I mean, I got, well, I told you about it about eight months ago. I think it was January time. There are players at Man United who don't fancy it sometimes. They don't fancy it in training. They don't fancy it at the weekends. And that leads into, oh, you know, I've got a bit of tightness in my calf or whatever. Have you noticed this season? We're not getting a lot of that.

8:45You know, I'm not saying that certain players feign injury, but it's funny how I don't know how Luke Shaw and Mason Mount, well, Mason Mount, leave Mason Mount out of it because he's already had an injury, but I don't know how Luke Shaw has stayed fit for the last six months. I don't know. It's a miracle. You know, has anyone checked in on Jesus? Because, like, there's something miraculous going on here. This guy has barely played football for two years and suddenly he's been fit for the last six months, playing every week. Moto Casino is pure American energy. Born in the USA and with the same 1776 spirit that built this country.

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9:59So I agree. I think we will get some knocks on the door of Amrim. The question will be, will Man United let them go? Is the squad too big? We're lacking in the midfield. I mean, I would not be letting Maynard or Agate go in any circumstances unless somebody else was coming in. I think with Xerxes, we are quite stacked in the number 10 position. I'm never a big fan of keeping a player just because something might happen. I think it's unfair. But in the midfield, something will happen. I don't think we could let Agate or Maynard go, even though Maynard is probably going to be knocking on the door and maybe Agate will as well.

10:38I think it's interesting with Agate as well. Well, as I said, I think some people, I actually thought he played well against Brentford. I was disappointed he got subbed. I didn't really understand why he didn't start against Sunderland, but it may well be that Amrim doesn't see a place for him in the team. I don't know. I don't know. But that's certainly something to keep an eye on, of course. I just want to talk about Le Mens very quickly as well. Before we talk about what Wayne Rooney said about Ruben Amrim. So basically, Peter Schmeichel, ex-legend. Well, legend. You're not an ex-legend, are you?

11:15You used to be a legend. You're not anymore. I'm sorry, mate. You've crossed the line. You said something about Disney and now you're not a legend anymore. You just can't say that. Of course, Peter Schmeichel is still a legend of Manchester United. He's basically been talking about Le Mens and I was listening to what he said. And I thought a lot of it makes sense because obviously he's come into Manchester United. He came in and was one of the best goalkeepers in the world. So he knows the pathway. And I think when people like van der Sar, Schmeichel, De Gea talk about Man United, it's a very unique position.

11:49And all three of them have transitioned from new signing to being United legends, really. So what did he have to say about Le Mans? Basically said, look, very, very positive stuff. But the most important thing he said is that the mistakes will happen. It's when the mistakes happen. It's how you react to that. And that's true. I remember Oli Gunnar Solskjaer when he first came in as the interim manager and we just kept winning and winning and winning. And he was in an interview and he said, I don't want to stop winning, but we won't win forever. And when we do lose, it's how we react to that. Because when you're winning and everything is going your way, you think you're unbeatable.

12:25It's when you lose, can you get back to winning again? And it's true. And also, I think it's the same with LeMens. He looked really good on Saturday, but he will make a mistake. He'll make a mistake and it's how he reacts to that and how everybody else reacts to that. Personally, for me, look at Bienda, look at Inanna. I mean, come on. I mean, Alisson makes mistakes. David Rea makes mistakes. Goalkeepers make mistakes. Strikers miss one-on-ones. Wingers miss open goals. You know, wingers shoot when they should pass. They're mistakes. When goalkeepers make mistakes, it tends to cost you a goal.

13:02But they're the same thing. Everybody makes mistakes. so you know Schmeichel's right I think it's when he makes that mistake how does he react to that how do we react to that I would hope I would hope that we're not going to be a fan base that just jumps on everybody for every mistake you know if you're looking at a pathway to a future mistakes and and losses are fine it's having the pathway isn't it but I thought it was a I thought it was a good comment from Schmeichel because the mistakes will happen and I think fans should prepare themselves for that. How are you going to react when he makes a mistake?

13:35Because personally, I think we should be going, we're in this for the long run. He's the right guy. Obviously, I'm not going to run away with just one performance, but, you know, I think we saw, I know it's only one game, but I think we did see a big difference on Saturday. And I think there's something there to build for the future with, which is what I want Amrim to do in general, really. Obviously, I don't think he's doing that in the midfield. I don't think he's necessarily doing that in other areas of the pitch, but this is what we want to see at Manchester United. Martin Saunders with the Super Chat says, I get the players' frustration, but Amrim sees them in training and some need to accept at United their bench players, too many weak personalities at United.

14:13I completely agree with that, Martin, but at the end of the day, if you are Joshua Zerksi, for example, or Kabi Manu or Agate or Harry Maguire, then, OK, I'm not good enough to start for the manager is not the problem. It's I want to go and start for somebody. I think that's the conversation we're talking about. I don't think anybody's saying all four of them should be starting. I don't agree with that. But they will knock on the door because the Man United... The problem with the Man United squad is it's too big. It's a very big squad. And I think many of us think it's not got enough quality in it.

14:50So it's a double-edged sword, really. The squad's too big and doesn't have enough good players in it. I mean, I would still be looking to buy three players for the first team. Maybe four. So we have a huge squad, but I want four players for the first team. So we have a big, big problem because we're not in Europe. We're not in the Carabao Cup. We play one game a week and we've got a squad that really could probably deal with Europe as well. Not saying we'd be good in Europe, but that's a European squad. It's too big. So if we're not in Europe next year, that squad needs cutting. We all want to bring four players in, but you need to get rid of eight.

15:26like that squad is a European squad not on quality not on quality but on quantity that's a very big squad like if you're playing one game a week and you've got Kunya and Mbremo starting what's happening to Mount what's happening to Xerxi you know if um if Ahmad's playing right wing back what's happening to Masraoui and Deleu so there's lots of people sat on the bench and unless Amram changes the team or unless we get injuries, they won't get game time. And that's what I think we're talking about here. People are just going to be like, there are no minutes for me. There are no limits. Sorry, there are no minutes.

16:08If we're not in Europe next season, then this squad's going to need to get cut a lot more. Xerxi issue another red flag for Ruben Amram player there, says class of 99. I would like you to expand on what that means because I don't know what that means. Look, From Ruben Amrum's point of view, you may well know that you're not going to use Xerxes a lot, but would you sell him? I wouldn't sell him because I'm like, this club gets a lot of injuries. Just a thought. What if Man United could buy Nuno Mendes for 50 million last January? I think Amrum wanted him, but he's the best left back in the world.

16:41I mean, I don't think it was ever realistic, to be fair. The Xerxes thing I don't understand, says Simply Red, been treated unfairly and not been given a chance. At least Agate may get a few minutes here and there. Thank you very much, Simply Red. Players who lost to Tottenham and finished 15th want more game time. This is Kiel.

17:22American Social Casino Download the Moto Casino app today Hello Mark, great to hear you out I've done that one, thank you very much And Red Ed says you don't rate Bruno as a captain So who's your next pick? I would go for Yomlin, says Red Ed I think from the current squad that we have at the moment I would go for Delitz or Masraoui or Kunya or Embermo I think these sort of people are probably the quality that we need but we might end up buying somebody in, I suppose. Yeah. Let me talk to you about what Wayne Rooney had to say anyway. I quite liked this comment from here. He was talking about Ruben Amorim at the weekend.

18:03Well, first of all, he said about Sesco, I think he's a handful. He uses his body well. He challenges for balls and he makes it easier for Cunha, Mbermo and Mount. I think Sesco is a different profile of striker. There's no doubt about it. And we've seen it already with the long ball. You can't play that long ball into Rasmus. You can't play that long ball into Rashford. You can't play that long ball into Martial. That's no criticism of those players. They've got their own strengths. I mean, look at Rasmus at Napoli now. They're feeding him and he's scoring goals. Rashford at Barcelona, he's a winger really, isn't he?

18:42Martial was a very, very good forward. He just wasn't particularly big. But when you've got a six foot four striker, in a way you're a bloody idiot if you don't play to that strength so we have a guy now that we can literally pump the ball up to you know you can alleviate the pressure I think sometimes when you're a centre-back in the modern game the ball goes to your goalkeeper and you're like oh shit another night in the trenches because you've got a show for the ball you've got to receive the ball everyone knows that everyone plays out from the back so you're going to get the ball under pressure you know sometimes as a defender you just want to defend you don't want to be defending and then oh god I've got to get the ball now and play through the play through the passing lines you know playing bloody triangles sometimes you want to see that ball flying 50 yards in front of you and going I got a breather let's push up let's clear our lines let's move up the pitch and look we're not here on a morning show to talk about the the changing landscape of football but you know as well as I do you can turn on a league two game and they're passing out from the back because of bloody Pep Guardiola um I'm I'm a firm believer in variety uh unpredictability and to be fair Inanna was hitting a lot of long balls last season you know they're going to Amad who can't win it they're going to Graccio who can't win it they're going to Rasmus who can't win it against two centre-backs who are bigger and stronger than him so it's not like we haven't hit the long balls under Amrim but with Sesko you've got somebody that is a handful for defenders and he can hold the ball up and I think it's a positive on Amrim this is what Rooney had to say he said in relation to the Sunderland game Amrim changed his style a bit this weekend by being more direct with the goalkeeper and Sesko and it worked so you have to give him credit for that the result was big and you want to see consistency winning four or five games in a row for Amrim time will tell.

20:38He's a really good young manager, but what we've seen so far doesn't tell us that. He'll be doing everything he can to turn that around. The game has changed a lot. You look for the leaders, but there are not many of them in world football. You hope they can pull together and get through it. It's a difficult period. I think that's a very pragmatic, honest approach from Wayne Rooney, because nowhere in there is we're back. He's going to win four or five games in a row, and United are going to be fine with Ruben Amirim. I think it's like, look, he got the result on Saturday, fair play. It's a big result, but he needs more than that.

21:14You know, he needs to go and win more games. He's a good manager, but we haven't seen that. He's, you know, hopefully, hopefully they can pull it together and get through it. And then he mentions the leaders thing. And then there's not many leaders in world football. And that's true. You know, I think that there's a lot of talent out there. I mean, you and I can both go and say, go and get this player, go and get that player. You know, they're talented. But as we had the conversation about Belayba, is he mentally, you know, has he got the right mentality for Manchester United? And I'm not necessarily so sure about that.

21:55So it's not just about buying players. it's about bringing in the players with the right mentalities certainly this is why I like Stiller at Stuttgart I think he's the right age profile he's a leader at Stuttgart I think those sort of players become really essentially I can't remember if anybody ever did this but I remember a conversation about it years ago where it was like why would you not try and buy the captain from every decent team in Europe because surely you're going to end up with a load of leaders there and it's an interesting point isn't it I mean look you're not going to get Bayern Munich's captain you're not going to get Barcelona captain you're not going to get Real Madrid's captain but you might get like Villarreal's captain you might get AC Milan's captain you might get Monaco's captain you might get Stuttgart's captain you know we do need leaders and I agree with Wayne Rooney about this that the world has changed a lot there's there's they're not growing on trees there's not leaders everywhere with the right mentalities but what will get Man United out of this position is leaders I'm a firm believer in that and I think it's interesting that Wayne Rooney alludes to that I think Man United will get out of this position with consistent leaders with the right mentality, which is why I like Mbermo and it's why I like Kunja and it's why I think Sesco and Lemens could be quite interesting as well because for younger players, what we're hearing about them, we heard it about Sesco when he first came in and we've seen it in his interviews, dedicated, hardworking professional.

23:37You know, being a footballer, you listen to Sesco, being a footballer is his profession. You know, he's not a footballer because he wants a boot deal or because he wants a clothing company, he is a professional.

23:55And hopefully Lomens is going to be the same. But we do need to bring more leaders in. I definitely agree. But as Wayne Rooney alludes to, as many of you, I mean, the interesting thing about the Wayne Rooney comment is that I think it's just very similar to what I read in our chat every morning. You know, you hope he can pull it together. It's a difficult period for him.

24:16I'm still very much like that with Amrim And I know people don't like people who sit on the bench Sit on the fence That's the five people who want to leave To sit on the fence But you can, you know, as I say Not everything's red and green The world is everything in between And my honest answer is here And I find it very strange because I'm not normally like this. I have strength in my own conviction to make a decision. And if I'm forced to make a decision, I will make a decision on this. But honestly, since the Brentford loss, I've been very honest. I don't think changing the manager will make us any better.

25:02And I'm not convinced that this manager is going to do it either. I'm sort of still like that. I don't, over the last 10 years, I've been firmly keep the manager or firmly replace the manager. But I'm like, sort of, I am, I am honestly like, I am like that.

25:51I am like that at the moment. I'm undecided. John United says, we've got six potential options for the number 10 role. We want Aaron to make changes in certain positions, but with just one game a week, it's not realistic to rotate players constantly. that would be chaos. He's got too many players, John. Going back to what we were talking about at the start, he's got too many players. Zirk, some people don't want to have difficult conversations. These reports about players knocking on the door for January, look, Harry Maguire will probably stay till the summer if we're being completely honest. Agarte depends on what happens with Uruguay in the next two international breaks.

26:29Seriously, I think he would go and knock on the door at least. Maynou will knock on the door again. I think Xerxes will have to knock on the door again. There might be other players at that point. Like there might be other players that, you know, when Martinez comes back, Luke Shaw might not get any game time. And staying fit won't be enough for him to get in the England squad. So, you know, there could be a few people that are going to knock on the door. Exactly. But the reality is the squad is imbalanced, but it's also heavy in certain areas. We have got too many players. And look, I'm doing my career mode at the moment.

27:04And this This is not real life. I'm doing my career mode. I'm playing yesterday, doing quite well actually. Check it out on my channel. And because I'm playing a back four, I'm playing Martinez and DeLitte and they're playing really, really well. And I'm halfway through game three and I went, shit, Lenny Yoro. I'm not used him once. And everyone's like, free Yoro, free Yoro. And I'm like, although it's a computer game, I like Yoro, but I need to win games. and because it's career mode, I'm not in Europe and I've been knocked out of the Carabao Cup. We won't say anything about that, but I'm not in Europe.

27:38So I've got one game a week and I need to win these games because I need to get into the Champions League. I want to be in the top five. So I'm picking Martinez and De Ligt and I'm comfortable with them, but I'm not using Jorreau. I'm not, the games are quite tight, so I'm not bringing him on for the last 10 minutes. I like Jorreau. He's really, really good, but I can't get him in the team. And that can be a problem as well. I think people look at it and go, Amirim is, you know, free Xerxes or free Mainu or this, that and the other. And, you know, sometimes it might be, you know, the Mainu situation is a joke.

28:14He should be using Mainu. I completely agree. But in that case, if I was playing two centre-backs and I was the manager of Man United and you're all going free Yoro, I would say to you, look, honestly, I agree with you free Yoro. I really, really like him. but De Lytton, Martinez are my starting centre-backs and I can only pick two so and I'm not bringing him on for the last 10 minutes in tight games because that's not fair sometimes you can't get a player in the team so Justin said Joth says Jorro just started yeah mate we're not living in a real world at the moment we're talking about a hypothetical computer game but bringing it into real life you know Amrim might really like Xerxi but he can't give him minutes but if you're Xerxi you've got to say go look another way of looking at it is because I want to talk about the youth now.

29:02Another way of looking at it with the youth is Heaven, Leon, Obi. Now, I wasn't going to go here, but I will. Heaven, Leon, Obi, maybe Kone at some point. I've heard about like Jim Thwaites is apparently doing really well as well. But Leon, Obi, Heaven are all players that I would expect to be getting some sort of minutes at Manchester United. Not when, when are they going to get minutes? Obi can't get on the bench. Leon, you know, he picks Deleu ahead of him at left wing back when Dorgue doesn't play. And Heaven, well, Luke Shaw's playing ahead of him and Martinez will be back soon. So I sort of look at those three players and go, should we not be thinking about loaning them in January?

29:53like I seriously I was talking to some Coventry City fans in the summer and they were like we need a striker I mean they've scored more bloody goals than anyone they don't need a striker but I was saying you know what I'd love Obi to go to Coventry in the championship I think that'd be brilliant you know championship football working hard to get in a team like that playing you know week in week out sometimes twice a week I mean this is development this is what development's all about what developments are we offering to ob leon and heaven at the moment because i've never i mean some of you might disagree with me i've never been a big fan of oh you're but you're training with the first team i think when you're a 16 year old and you know you're coming up from the under 18s to train with the first team it's great for a few weeks but a whole season of it nobody can tell me that heaven is getting more out of training with the first team than he would be being on loan at Preston North End or Lille or whatever.

30:50And that's the problem with this season. I'm seeing it's way too early in the season to say this, but it won't be long till Christmas. You know, it won't be long. I've already had the message from my auntie saying, what do you want for Christmas? And she's always early, but it makes me think, shit, it's coming. And I think that it's not just about Maynou, Xerxi, Agate. It's also about Obi. I mean, in March, people were saying free Obi starting ahead of Rasmus. It's now October. No one talks about him. So why six months ago was people wanting him to start and now no one's even bloody talking about him?

31:30And that to me is fine because we're fans and I know why we're not talking about him because Sesco's here and that's just the way it is. But what are we doing to manage his career? what are we doing to manage Leon's career what are we doing to manage Heaven's career because I think we should be looking at it and going this squad's massive let's loan them out it's good for their development I don't think it's good for 17 year olds who've already played for Man United to be yeah but you're training with the first team training with the first team is not the same as playing competitive football and we should be managing our youth a little bit better as well.

32:13Now, that's got nothing to do with Xerxes knocking on the door or anybody else. I'm sure that will happen. They're senior pros. But we also have to look at developments in our young players. At what point is Ruben Amirim going to go, hmm, you know what? Let's get Kone on the bench. Let's get Obi on the bench because I'd like to give them some minutes. He's not in a position to give them minutes at the moment. I mean look at the next four games Liverpool away Brighton at home Forest away Spurs away At what point is he going to get Half an hour to go Obi go out there No pressure Sesco Off you come We're not that team this year We're not going to be that team this year It's not going to happen this year We're not going to be in a position Where we're 3-4-0 up at Old Trafford And we go Obi Heaven On you go for the last half an hour So Tough fixtures are coming Says Fenke So look the squad's too big Amarim's got a lot of options but that squad is too big and it's a unique thing for us we haven't had this for a very long time when you've got Europa League or the Champions League and the Carabao Cup and you're playing two games a week sometimes the squad feels very very small but when you're playing one game a week and you're only going to be playing one game a week for the whole season because we could get knocked out of the FA Cup in the third round that squad's too big and you've got it i think we've got to start looking at loans i really do um um your understanding of double-edged sword is wrong says michael speaks no it's not a double-edged sword means that both sides of it are sharp both sides of it are an issue which is exactly what i was saying do you think ronaldo was right about man united he's a legend says hello Babe, did you see that Moto Casino is giving a 1 ,776 ,000 worth of prizes?

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34:28It depends what particular point you're talking about. I mean, if you're talking about facilities and, you know, the lack of ambition at the football club, I think he's right. You just add it to the list of incompetencies of the ownership, overspending on an area of the squad that was already inflated while ignoring the obvious as Elliot Wallace. I don't think, look, we're never going to get an apology. We're never going to get an explanation. But I don't know why I'm looking down there. It's because I'm a chimp at foot. I think the summer transfer window is, there's a lot of things that have happened at Man United over the years that I'd love to know the answer to.

35:14I'd love to know the answer to. But I'd really love to know who sat there at Man United in that boardroom and went, let's spend 200 million pounds on the front three, but let's do nothing with the midfield. You know, I'd love to know who came up with that strategy because it's ridiculous. Look, if you've got a boat, you've got a boat, yeah, and you load one end of the boat with all your gold and all your food. And then the other end of your boat, you don't put anything there. What happens to the boat? It sinks. Now, I'm not saying that Man United are going to sink because we've overloaded our front three and left everywhere else.

36:02But I'm surprised we haven't distributed our spend across the whole boat. there's no balance in that midfield for a start really. Squad is so bad that we're speculating what would happen if we get this player or that player where other teams are thinking which player to play for next game, says Seth. I think personally, I think that the January transfer window needs to be quite significant. As I say, I think we're going to get a few people knocking on the door wanting to go and I don't think that's going to change. and if we're going to let them go, we need to have replacements coming in as well.

36:42So that, look, if Agathe or Mainu gets loaned, someone needs to come in. I don't think what... What I'm trying to say is, if Agathe and Mainu knock on the door in January and say, look, I want game time, it's my last chance, you're not picking me, I've lost my place for the fucking World Cup, I want to play football, and I want to play football now, I've sat on my arse for five months, I want to go, I think United should go, you can go, and here's a replacement. what we shouldn't do is go, you can't go because we don't want to spend any money. And that's what my fear is. You might get, let's say, Manu going, look, I wanted to go in August.

37:17You didn't let me go. I've worked really hard. I'm still not getting game time. You clearly don't like me. Let me go and play somewhere else now. No, that would be wrong on the club, in my opinion, because we're not using him. He wants to play football. it would be cheap to say no what we should do is let him go and bring a replacement in um that that's that's what i think we should do because i think january needs to be um a you know a big month for manchester united i think there are opportunities certainly for us to go and do stuff and going back to that question by the way somebody did say quite rightly okay um you say you're balanced but push comes to shove which way do you go on amrim is he going to survive or is he going to get sacked he's going to get sacked he's going to get sacked if i have to choose whether he's going to survive or he's going to get sacked he's going to get sacked because the only manager in my lifetime that hasn't been sacked is sir alice ferguson and very few very few people walk out the door to um a guard of honor so um he's going to get sacked I don't know when he's going to get sacked but he will get sacked

38:38if I have to say that the truth is I'm not sure what's going to happen with Amrim I'm like there's good and there's bad I want him to survive I want him to do well I can't see a manager out there that I actually want so I'm sort of conflicted but if I had to make a choice if somebody said you can't sit on the fence you have to make a choice is he going to get sacked or is he going to survive He's going to get sacked because I think all the ingredients of every sacking I've seen from Ten Hag to Moyes is there already.

39:14The over-reliance on the wrong players, the leadership team, the same leadership team that sacked other managers, the owners letting him down in key areas. yeah the bomb squad removal was a distraction we should have cleared out more players with with a permanently or on loan that's on any os says john well john i always said that i always said that like this bomb squad thing who started it who who actually came up with the term the bomb squad where did it actually come from because i i think that the removal of the bomb squad was was pure spin anyway. They were sort of held up as the negative group, right?

39:57They needed to go, but what role did they have in the Europa League final? None. None of them played. Sancho wasn't here. Anthony wasn't here. Malassia wasn't here. Rashford wasn't here. And Ganacho got benched. What role did they have in his finishing 15th? Not much because most of them, well, Sancho wasn't there all year. Rashford, Anthony and Malassia were gone in January. So we did get sold a load of spin bollocks. There was 11 players that played in the Europa League final against Spurs and they should have been sold at full time. It was an embarrassing performance. They're all still here.

40:38Obviously Rasmussen and Arna aren't, but the vast majority are still here. And we got sold a lie. This whole bomb squad was like, get rid of the bomb squad and everything will be okay. And I used to check myself going, the bomb squad were nothing to do with the Europa League final. They were nothing to do with finishing 15th. But people swallowed it, you know.

41:03Thank you very much for that. Do you think Stilla could be too slow for the Premier League, says Mufasa. I don't think he's slow.

41:16No, I don't think he's slow. No, I mean, look, you know, I don't think speed in the midfield is as important as it is up front or at centre back or right back or on the wing anyway. So,

41:30Ange going to be sacked says,

41:37sorry, Ange is going to be sacked twice and amram's still here yeah fair point fair point okay let me talk to you about what's going on uh with regards to the um some breaking news coming out from laurie whitwell this morning i've sort of left it towards the end of the show because i don't find this stuff that interesting but it's just another indicator of um the problems that are going on at manchester united so basically So Jim Radcliffe's cost-cutting regime has come with consequences, not least concerning the Man United Academy building, which dates back to 2002 and had a refurbishment in 2017.

42:17There are allegations that toilets have been left uncleaned, bins unemptied and pitch perimeters worn and littered, with complaints made that there are not enough maintenance staff employed to maintain standards. Exterior signs are fading and machinery has been left around the site. Moto Casino, America's social casino. Welcome to Moto Casino, where the excitement never ends. With thousands of the hottest free to play social casino games, fastest payouts and the best promotions in the industry. No tricks or gimmicks. Owned and operated in the USA. Moto Casino is a free-to-play social casino. No purchase necessary.

42:5221 plus to play. Void were prohibited. Sign up today for a generous welcome bonus. Moto Casino. American Social Casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. All those who wear club track suits, including academy coaches and first team analysts, but excluding players, Ruben Amrum and his coaching staff, now have to wash their own kits. A shortage of staff is alleged to have played a factor in an embarrassing episode where Man United's under 13s had to ask to borrow shorts and socks when playing against Everton at Carrington last month. A shortage of staff. Obviously, we've mentioned that as well.

43:32So that's coming out this morning that like basically the youth set up is is an embarrassment. There is talk of a whole new youth building and facilities being built at some point in the next few years or months. But money will need to be found for it as well. Look, in essence, all I really want to talk about is the first team and what we're doing on the pitch. But we do hear about the women's team having to get changed in cabins and, you know, the youth team having to borrow kit from Everton. It's not what you'd expect of Real Madrid Or Barcelona Or a big club And we are a big club It's embarrassing It is embarrassing Like Maleky says It is embarrassing But it won't get the headlines Because as long as United try and sign Belaba in January No one gives a shit But I've always said this Like Man United are the masters at spinning positives But scratch the surface What did I say to you at the start of the show?

44:38And we can repeat it again. I was told in the summer that Man United as a football club is like a lovely bowl of soup, but you've got to eat it with your hands tied behind your back. Mess. And that's Man United. We should be Michelin star and we're not. We're a roadside cafe. I'm not knocking roadside cafes. They tend to do very, very nice burgers and stuff like that. But, you know, you put your life in your hands when you eat one. My point is Man United should not be operating like this. And as much as people think we're back and as much as people think we will get back and as much as people think that Manchester United are going to mix it up with the best in Europe again.

45:24I think when you scratch the surface, we're on a preface, we're on the edge of a cliff. In the sense that there's a lot wrong at the football club. We've never been in more debt. We've never been so bad on the pitch. I mean, it is quite surprising because you do see people saying, where are the protests? Where is the movement to remove the glazes? Why are fans just sat doing nothing? It's never been so bad. And it has never been so bad. Factually, it's never been so bad. We've never been in so much debt. We've never been so bad on the pitch. We've never had a squad as bad as this. And yet everyone's just sort of sat there going, oh, hopefully things are going to be OK.

46:08They've never been this bad. They've never been this bad. And, you know, it doesn't take much to uncover issues like this one that Laurie Whitwell's uncovered. The under 13s having to borrow kit. Everybody apart from the first team having to wash their own kit. I mean, I played for teams when I was a kid where you don't wash your own bloody kit, where it's all provided for you. And Man United are making people wash their own bloody kit. It's mad. But, but to all those people who celebrated a year ago, people being made redundant and fired, you know, good, honest, working people out of a job, that was always going a biters.

46:55The numbers that were put out were proven to be inaccurate. There was bullshit about United having 1 ,200 staff and more than anybody else. And then it was proven that Liverpool have got the same. Well, not anymore because we've got half the staff of them. And that Man City staff were in part of different groups. So that's why it made it look like they didn't have many. We've cut our workforce by 50%. That's going to hit productivity. That's going to hit efficiency. But my concern when you're talking about the youth is that we will lose young players because I know what it's like. You know, Seb plays football.

47:33My daughter plays football. So you're in these circles of parents who want the best for their kids. I see it at an amateur level. You know, parents shouting on the sidelines. Why is my kid not getting minutes? You know, he hasn't got his top, this, that and the other. This is amateur football. Can you imagine what those parents are like under 14s for Man United? Not just there with a smile on the face And a picture of Wayne Rooney They want their kid to play They want their kid to get the opportunities And when they see that Man United's facilities are shit And Man City's are brilliant They'll take him to Man City If Man City want them They will go to other clubs And we had a right battle keeping JJ at the club Like there was an expectation that he was going to go Man United basically moved heaven and earth to keep him.

48:24We're not going to be able to do that all the time. And these players will leave because all we've really got is we're Manchester United. We're Manchester United. That's all, you know, that's all we can offer at the moment because our facilities are shit. And the youth is so important to Manchester United and quite clearly to the ownership, it's not. I think that's disgusting. I think it's disgusting. And I know it sounds a little bit like I've turned up to football matches in the past where you've had to borrow a kit from the other team. I remember playing for my school. We didn't even have a kit.

49:03We were playing in blue and I was wearing an Everton kit. So someone else was in an Ipswich kit. It was what blue kit could you get your hands on? Don't worry, my mum messed up. I wanted the Man United third kit. It was 1987 and she came back with the NEC V-neck. I said sharp blue V-neck. She came back with an NEC V-neck. Everton kit was my first kit. But look, the point is we've all been there, but this is Manchester United. Manchester United should not be doing this. And people can say it's not that deep. It is. it is because manchester city's facilities are incredible and it's the same it's different in youth football now because if man united got a really good 13 year old and he's having to wash his own kit and he ain't got any shorts and socks newcastle can't come in and go you fancy a move you can't do that legally you can't do that catchment areas now you can't take players from different areas of the country until they're 16 but man city can because it's manchester so And unfortunately, Man City have probably got the best facilities in the country when it comes to youth facilities, women's facilities, etc.

50:20So we're idiots. We're idiots to be cutting costs on our youth setup because we will lose these players to Man City. And that's what I see when I see this article with Laurie Whitwell this morning. when I see that it's not just about not having shorts and socks, having to wash your own kit and the facilities being shit. It's the fact that Man City are in the same bloody catchment area and will just pick off all our good players. And how does that get us back, Sir Jim? What is the plan? I mean, tonight's show, last night's show was brilliant about Bruno Fernandes. Tonight's show is about above the manager, above the players.

50:59What is the plan of the football club? And this sort of leads nicely into it. What is their plan? We're cutting costs all over the place for the first team and the first team isn't good enough. What is the plan of this football club? Because I don't know what it is. I really don't know. I look at the summer transfer window and I see 200 million spent on the attack and nothing spent on the midfield. What is the plan? We've cut half our workforce. Things are clearly a mess behind the scenes. We've built an amazing first team Carrington, but the youth set up shit. Can't even afford fucking socks and shorts.

51:35our youth policy is going to get decimated. And they're not a youth player if you sign them from Arsenal at 16. If that's the plan, that's not a youth player. A youth player is a Marcus Rashford. They come through the team from like nine years of age. That's what a proper youth player of Manchester United is. So it's disgusting that we're cutting costs and not providing equipment to something that's been what our team is for approaching 100 years. A youth player of Man United is not somebody brought in from Arsenal at 16 or 17. A youth player is someone that's been here before they were 17, 16.

52:18So, you know, it's not good enough. Stephen Barry says, do you think Garnaccio was a United youth player? Borderline, borderline, because I think we brought him in at 16 from Atletico Madrid. Shane O 'Hare says, Ince, Keane, Bruce Pallister, Robbo, McClare, all captains in one team. Yeah, but go beyond that. Roy Keane, Peter Schmeichel, Yap Stam, Gary Neville.

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53:33Use Maynou on loan for free to Brighton instead. Cost just half a million he would get playing time. I mean, Victor, a lot of people talk about that. You know, could Maynou, Buleba, Man United do something in January? This is why we shouldn't just sell every player over 30. Who is mentoring? Lemens and Sesko need to realise some players are good to have off the pitch, says Jake M. And Forza says, I feel bad for Xerxes. He should have been sub in the last game. Just rematched. We watched game and Bruno was out of breath in the last 10. as well. Hello, Houston, Texas says, does Bruno play the same position in the Portugal team?

54:06No, no. Nobeds will try and tell you that Bruno plays in the midfield for Portugal. He plays as an attacking midfielder for Portugal. They tend to play with a three and he tends to be the attacking midfielder.

54:25I feel like I'm I feel like you don't want to get this illness I've had it's so annoying I feel like it's gone back a day today I feel like I've gone throat and nasal again I'm fed up of it absolutely fed up of it uh anyway you've been great company we're back at two eight o 'clock show tonight it's going to be very good it's basically called what plan um we'll be talking about that at eight o 'clock last night's show was brilliant if you didn't see it about Bruno know we've got some really good ones planned for you over the international break and i look forward to your opinions um take care everyone stay safe and i'll speak to you on the next one i'm actually on terry's channel now doing hot takes so god knows what his hot takes are but i'll be there at 11 i'll speak to you in a bit thanks for watching speak to you a bit

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