205: United UP FOR SALE! Saudi BID Expected!

0:00Hello everybody, good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news. And what is it about the international break and big news around Manchester United? Because I tell you what, Manchester United may be, may be about to get new investment slash ownership. I mean, last night it was all going off about Sir Jim Radcliffe's comments and the ownership of Manchester United and all this stuff. And here we have this morning stories coming in and I'll read it out. I mean, it's coming in from Turkey Al-Asheikh, who is massively involved in sport in Saudi.

0:37He's been involved in the boxing, the snooker, gets involved in football as well. This is what he put out and caused an absolute stir with last night. The best news on his Twitter account with seven million followers. The best news I heard today is that Manchester United is in an advanced stage of completing a deal to sell to a new investor. I hope he's better than the previous owners. So this came out about eight hours ago. The best news I heard today is that Manchester United now in an advanced stage of completing a deal to sell to a new investor. I hope he's better than the previous owner. We've got a little bit of a poll going on here saying, do you want Saudi investment?

1:1992 % saying yes, 8 % saying no. I'm somewhat confused. I am somewhat confused because last night I read your comments and I knew my opinions were not popular and I knew my opinions were in the minority and I'm never scared of doing that. So, you know, let the comments flow. But all I read last night on last night's video was I back Sir Jim Radcliffe, giving a manager three years is what we want. Sir Jim's right, credit where it's due. And then I wake up this morning and there's prospects of Saudi investment and people are saying, I want that. And I'm somewhat confused by what people actually want because I ain't going to apologise for what I said last night about Sir Jim Radcliffe and his quotes.

2:00I don't believe him. I think he's a bad owner. I don't like this ownership. I never have. I don't like the Glazers. My conscience is clear. I don't flip flop. I don't like this ownership. So if there's a prospect of them leaving and new ownership coming in, yes, please. I've always been very consistent to that. But I'm a little bit confused as to why people were 12 hours ago right up the arse of Sir Jim Radcliffe saying it's a great idea to keep a manager for three years and take our time rebuilding the football club and then 12 hours later there's the prospect of it's being sold and everyone's going yeah let's do it um which shows me exactly what I've always thought we've got a very flip-flop fan base and also they don't really like this ownership they're just desperate for success and they want to believe what any whatever crap comes out of this football club day to day because it's not none of it can be trusted um do i think this is true um look all i'm going to say is two o 'clock today ben jacobs i'm not going to miss it it's going to be a cracking show because when it comes to ownership strategy ownership stories i think ben jacobs arguably is one of the best um i think mike keegan's been very good around it as well i don't really think this is romano and ornstein's forte i think they're good at transfers i think ben jacobs has been brilliant around the ownership from day one.

3:16And I've already sort of had a chat with Ben this morning. I'm not going to reveal anything that he said to me, but, you know, the two o 'clock show is going to be very, very interesting. What I would say is Turkey Al-Ashayk, also very, very credible in football, very, very credible in sport and a massive part of the, you know, sort of UK Saudi sports acquisition scene. It did also post a picture of Mo Salah in an Al-Halal kit and Mo Salah still plays for Liverpool. So I don't think that we definitely need to believe this. And also his comment is very antagonistic. It's sort of like great news.

3:52I'm hearing about sale investments into Man United. Hopefully they can do better than the previous owners. That doesn't read to me like it's somebody that's involved in it. It sounds like he's heard something. I think there's more to this. What I would say is a lot of people are saying it's a load of crap, this, that and the other. It's not in the sun. It's not in the sun. You know, it's not in the Daily Star. It's not some crappy source like it is somebody that is massively involved in the UK Saudi sport scene. And with that reputation, he doesn't need to sit there on Twitter going, I'm going to wind up the football world.

4:31He doesn't need to do that because it damages the credibility he's built in other sports and football. He doesn't need to do that. So I would acknowledge it and say that as much as we're probably all a bit reticent to believe it, I would say that there's not really a hell of a lot of reason why he would post. I've heard that Man United is now in an advanced state. And look, go back over the comment. I've heard today that Man United is in an advanced stage of completing a deal to sell to a new investor. I hope he's better than the previous owners. He's either going to banter himself to millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of sport fans or something's going on.

5:14And I don't understand why somebody of his reputation needs to act like Indy Kalia. I don't understand why he needs to behave like the sun. I don't understand how he needs to act on social media like an ITK. And he doesn't need to do that. He does not need to do that. He's involved in boxing, football, darts, snooker, you know, the lot. He does not need to do that. So hopefully there is something going on. We can all speculate what it is, and I have a theory, but I just don't, that's not the sort of thing that you can, you know, you could say about Forrest, you could say about Everton, and you'd be fine.

5:55But you say that about Man United and WWE as well, um Ryan says Turkey likes to stay relevant though I understand that but there's there's ways to stay relevant like you know I could say something today that could go really viral but tomorrow I'd be discredited like you know and it's not it's not worth it if you're somebody of his reputation and as I said you could say about a smaller sport or a smaller club but when you say that about Man United and nothing happens it makes you just look really you lose credibility and I don't I don't see why you would do that so look hopefully there's something going on i understand the irony and i find it quite funny uh but i've been talking to a few people this morning oh if if if if if if if we get time later on i actually have the uh christmas jumper prototype and it's in my hands below screen at the moment and i just oh you might have seen a little bit of a glimpse there you might get a little bit of it's the best one we've ever done it's the most excited out but look in relation to if manchester united what i find funny about this is is that when we had the whole guitar sir jim radcliffe thing there was a lot of um people that were pro sir jim simply because he was british we don't want state ownership we don't want ownership from the middle east we don't want that we want sir jim a lot of people just did it for that you know whatever you want to call that it was just he's british we don't want state ownership la la la um and it would how funny it would be if sir jim mackleff and the glazers went and got um money from you know what is effectively the middle east it would be quite funny apparently we've got something coming in from mike keegan who as i said when it comes to this sort of thing mike keegan ben jacobs would be the two that I would take most notice of.

7:48Last night's claims on Man United are interesting. This piece explains how the club crept back onto the market in August. So, Mikey, look, my big takeaway this morning, right? I've spoken to Ben Jacobs. I've spoken to Ben Jacobs. I'm not revealing anything he said to me because it's his information and he's on the show at two o 'clock. So I'm not going to do that, but he will talk about it at two o 'clock. What I will say is Ben Jacobs, Mike Keegan, Fabrizio Romano, David Ornstein, The Athletic, The Manchester Evening News, they've had this information for eight hours and nobody's discounted it.

8:25Now, that doesn't mean it's not going to get discounted while we're live, but come on, it's eight hours. They're journalists. If it was a load of crap, we'd know about it. and that's all I'm going to say while there's no news it's good news because if this was a load of crap you'd kill it dead and I think a lot of people are reacting to it the same way as we are this guy is a significant player in the transformation of sport Saudi money sport he's a big big player when he says something like that you want to discount it as quick as possible and they can't discount it at the moment so something is going on people will be asking questions of course they will and we probably will get the truth and to be honest with you i would imagine i would imagine man united will put a statement out to the journalists saying nothing is going on at the moment but it doesn't mean it's not because if i'm trying to sell my car and people are interested but i don't want everybody to know i'm going to say the car's not for sale so look it's intriguing I've seen a few theories as to what could be going on and a few people are saying maybe it's just investment because we're looking to play games in Saudi maybe there's conversations about funding the stadium maybe there's uh you know conversations about you know taking 10 percent in the club all these things are really really interesting and all these things are possible do I think we're about to see a total change of ownership I mean that would be the dream that was the dream i had two years ago i mean i would literally run around my garden in my pants as much as people won't want to see that um in any weather i would love to see man united change ownership remove the glazes remove the debt and have people come in like a todd bowley or whoever who just is obsessed with winning football games that's what i was talking about last night which some people didn't seem to understand that's my dream i would love to see that i don't think i'm gonna see that i don't think i'm gonna see that um i think what we might see is some sort of investor coming in for the stadium to own that which would be strange i don't even know how that works because if you bring a third party in to build the stadium they're in the stadium we don't own the stadium so where's all this money coming in um i don't know uh i mean look maybe somebody could give us a load of money to build the stadium and then they make the money back off the stadium so we don't own the stadium i think there'd be protests about that so it doesn't make sense maybe it's sell 10 to get somebody to come in to invest in the club but whichever way it is whichever way it is it doesn't make sense to just sell the stadium because you don't get the revenue it's a short-term fix it doesn't make sense to bring a third party in and give them 20 % and dilute the Glazers even more because then you've got three fingers in the pie.

11:24I hope something's happening. I really hope something's happening because I think whatever it is, it doesn't make sense to do for the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe unless there is a longer term plan to make a big, big change. So I hope something's going on. But as you know, I think we've been down this road before. I can't think of anything that involves the word sale or investment that wouldn't be quite disruptive to our future and wouldn't be a foot in the door for somebody to maybe take us over um but look i hope the club's on its ass i hope it's really really broke and i hope any awesome the glazes are going we need to sell that to me would be a dream i don't know i don't know but it's hot on the heels of a conversation about a manager staying for three years isn't it so i you know you sort of sit there and you go what's going on and I'm sure in the fullness of time we will find out but as I said before and you know I don't think Ben will mind me reminding you of this when we were talking this morning he did say look Turkey Al-Ashake's got a great reputation but he did post a picture of Mo Salah in an Al-Halal kit and Mo Salah is at Liverpool so it's not like he can't be wrong but also I don't agree that he would make something up so there must be something going on and look it's a huge positive as i say we've got a poll going on here do you want saudi investment 91 say yes and nine percent say no last night we've got 85 agreeing with sir jim radcliffe and 15 not so i don't understand i don't understand all we can do is the shows and give our opinions but i just don't understand last night the comments are full backing sir jim radcliffe saying you know give him a chance he's a good bloke and then this morning it's like get out of my club But I just can't get my head around what people actually want and think about this football club.

13:13What I want is what I wanted two years ago. I want the Glazers gone. I want the debt gone. I think anybody that got into bed with the Glazers is an enemy of the club. Therefore, so it's a Jim Ratcliffe and Ineos are. I want a proper ownership of this football club with people in charge who aren't interested in business. They're interested in winning. For me, a football club is not a business. It is a toy. It is a project. It is a play thing. It is, you know, a vanity project, whatever you want to call it. People who own football clubs shouldn't own football clubs to make money out of them. They should own football clubs to make them win.

13:49It's an entertainment sport. And that's what I want. And whoever that is, that's what I want the goal to be. Whether that's, you know, Middle Eastern investment, American investment, British investment. and you know i don't care who it is i just want somebody to own the football club who wants to who cares about the football club and wants it to win because if i was in charge of the football club or you were in charge of the football club i wouldn't be buying man united thinking i want to make money out of it i'd be buying man united because i can afford it and i want it to go back to the top and that would that would be the only motto and that that's all i want um but look you know what as i as i said at the start um you know turkey ala shake works closely with the let me just get this information because i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to be wrong on this but i did write it down so let me just uh oh god i'm so slow when it comes to this sort of stuff like so we go um so turkey ala shake is the person who just broke the news about the possible sale of man united is an advisor to the royal court of the kingdom of saudi arabia cristiano ronaldo has shared this year with him he's also the current owner of almeria a team in the spanish second division so look he's got credibility he's got um you know seven million followers etc it doesn't necessarily mean i just want to just go back to his actual statement though because it doesn't actually necessarily mean that he's the best new the best news i heard today that man man united is now in an advanced stage of completing a deal to sell to a new investor i hope he's better than the previous owners um that doesn't necessarily mean it's saudi by the way you know when you read that the best news i heard today is that man united is now in an advanced stage of completing a deal to sell to a new investor i hope he's better than the previous owners if he he works very very closely with the saudi investment group um why would he hear about that why would he talk about that in the third person in something that he'd be involved in so it doesn't necessarily mean it's Saudi it doesn't it doesn't necessarily mean it's that but let me just grab some of your points because we've got some actual football news to talk about this morning the nine percent want to take over not an investment says Ray Simpson I'd rather Saudi and Jim than Glazers and Jim says Ray all I ask is that everyone keeps an open mind about what this can be.

16:15We cannot afford to fall behind, says Kiel. Could the rumoured 18-month clause that the Glazers have with Sir Jim come into effect here, says Rohil? Basically, in August, the Glazers can basically sell the club and there's nothing Sir Jim can do about it. That was last August, wasn't it? Just gone. Unless the Glazers and Jim are gone, this is pointless, says Ralph. Hi, Mark. Just documents need to be filed with the New York Stock Exchange stating that a potential sale is in the works. Aren't you, Man United, a partially listed club? All this stuff is relevant, Ryle. Slazy said Sir Jim sold us on a lie I wanted Sir Jim over Saudi due to human rights stuff and he promised glory but if this can release us from the glazers let's do it says Slazy sounds like he heard it down the pub says Robert McCormack sorry Mark but this is clearly bullshit no way they're selling says Goldio the news seems rubbish United ain't up for sale and if it happens I'll admit it's being wrong but we know it's rubbish to Jared um morning Mark if Saudi seal a deal for Man United ownership do you think Amarin will stay I would give him a clean slate but not for the players um and john united said that was from francesco and john united says there has to be a change of ownership i don't want someone coming in with investment to save them i don't trust or our owners to use it properly look i think i think we're just gonna have to in the fullness of time understand what this is all about we've all been here before we're all probably expecting it to be a big misunderstanding and load of crap and we get our hopes up again for nothing it could be some sort of investment coming in it could be a full sale personally i'm a little bit like a few of you um it's intriguing because of who's saying it you can't deny his credibility you can't deny his influence you can't deny the fact that it would be strange just to sit there on your phone and make it up but we have been down this road so many times before and we never seem to remove the glazes so um i'll i'll i'll await to see what comes of this in the next coming hours and days And, you know, I'm sure by two o 'clock Ben Jacobs will have a thorough debrief on what this was all about.

18:16But Man United are broke. Man United couldn't afford a midfielder in the summer. Man United are£800 million in debt. Man United don't look like they're going to be in the Champions League. These things that I said last night, people, I lost count to last night how many times I said, Amrim saying he wants to give Amrim three years isn't really my concern. sorry so Jim saying he wants to give Amorim three years isn't really what I want to talk about what I was talking about last night is the way I look at football and the way it's just moving so fast and we're moving so slow and listening to Jim's Radcliffe's interview it's all about slowly slowly slowly slowly and that irritates me because I think we've been moving too slow for 10 years we need to be moving quick if Chelsea are moving quick we need to move quicker if Liverpool and Arsenal are moving quick we need to move quicker if somebody's further ahead of you you've got to move quicker than them to catch them i don't know why what what what it is about that that people don't understand my opinion is we're moving too slow compared to our competitors it's that simple and i've got people going well you've been asking for an owner to back the manager for years and now he's doing it what what's your problem and i'm like you didn't watch the show did you you really focused in on the fact that you think i said you shouldn't be giving amram three years at no point did I say that what I said throughout the whole show was I don't like this ownership I don't trust this ownership and we're moving too slow compared to our competitors and in a running race if you're far behind and you're not running as quick as the people in front the gap gets bigger I need to see urgency I need to see speed um and I don't see that from anything Sir Jim Radcliffe has ever said it's always cuts time progress will come and we haven't seen the progress yet so I don't trust a lot of what they say and that is why I would jump into the pool of changing the ownership now if I could because I need to see that speed I need to see that intensity so when I you know if I try and sell the story that we maybe are going to get investments or we are going to get a new say a new owner well I'd look at things like 15th in the league 10th in the league not in europe massive debt can't afford a midfielder these things are factual so how do they how do they how do they how do they jump those very defined barriers we're not in europe will we be in europe next season flip a coin i know i don't know yes no don't know um why didn't we buy a midfielder in the summer because we couldn't afford it i genuinely don't think we said we don't need one because we spoke to Conor Gallagher we spoke to Belaba we couldn't afford it we couldn't afford something that's absolutely important yeah we did well we got Cunha we got Sesco we got um um Embermo we did get a goalkeeper right at the end but we didn't buy a midfielder because we couldn't afford it it wasn't because we didn't want one remember they tried to put that out a few weeks ago that um Wilcox and Barada decided we didn't need a midfielder I think the Manchester Evening News ran it it got buried and forgotten very quickly because no fan was like oh they know what they're on about we did want a midfielder we couldn't afford it so making the case for investment or sale isn't difficult they need a massive amount of money to build a new Old Trafford they need a massive amount of money to invest in the squad they need they're not the squad's not good enough to get in Europe in some people's eyes so look we're primed for a sale if we haven't got the money absolutely but the flip side of that coin is i do think the glazer slash in your strategy is to be slow in the rebuild you know we've we've sacked half the workforce we will get a midfielder next year we'll hope we can get in europe and these things will gradually take us back i think them i think their plan is to continue down this slow road i don't think their plan is to go for investment but you could make a case for it of course you could uh of course you could um we want to full sales as king walker uh yeah look um also i think if i was going to apologize for one thing last night i've got a very good message from somebody and i completely agree about it i'll make eye contact if there's something i need to apologize for last night i don't apologize by the way i don't apologize what i said about sir jim rapliff or inios or the glazes i don't apologize about that you know me very very consistent um i have been very very consistent from day one that i do not like this ownership i'm consistent i don't like it people can say you're a moaner people can say you're not giving sir jim the benefit of the doubt people can say you know whatever they like but i've been consistent for the last three years i never wanted inios to get into bed with the glazers i never wanted sir jim radcliffe to be working with the glazers i wanted a full sale i wanted the deck gone i wanted a reset so when sir jim radcliffe does an interview don't expect me to go oh actually i like that i'm not you know i don't flip-flop on that i understand the criticism you don't have to agree with me but you can never accuse me of flip-flopping on this ownership i don't like it so i don't like it so when i hear people I don't like because of what they've done to my football club talk about their plans I don't like them I don't trust them I don't believe them and I don't think they're going to do what they say they're going to do it's not being negative I have plenty of reason not to like this ownership so I don't like it it's as simple as that so an interview with Jim Ladcliffe isn't going to change it and what I find funny is that a week ago people were demanding that Amarin get sacked because we'd lost to Brentford.

24:03A week later, we beat Sunderland at home. So Jim Radcliffe does an interview. And now if you say anything negative about the club or the manager, you're the problem. And yet a week ago, if that interview had come out, everyone would have ripped the piss out of it. The thing about me is I'm consistent. I don't like the ownership. Just I don't like it. I don't trust it. And the minute they start proving me wrong, I'll be right at the front going, I got that wrong. I got that wrong. I don't like the ownership. But where I do need to sort of acknowledge something is that so Jim Radcliffe doesn't own the football club and I keep falling into this trap he doesn't own the football club he owns 27 he's a puppet he's a puppet to the Glazers and I keep forgetting it because the Glazers don't talk I keep thinking he owns the football club because he talks like he does but he doesn't the regeneration project is not his project he came into the club in 2023 this was being spoken about seven years ago so it's not his project he doesn't own the football club the glazers do and i think that's the only thing i would say my frustration at sir jim madcliffe is probably a little bit unfair he's just a glorified ceo he's just a glorified employee he doesn't own the football club the glazers do um and if they want to sell it they can sell it and he can't stop them selling it and if they want to keep it they can keep it and he can't stop them and i think it's almost like a needs to be a poster behind the wall so jim doesn't own the football club because i fall into the trap all the time um and i don't think i mentioned that enough on the show last night when i was going on about we're moving too slow we're so far behind our rivals because it is the glazes who own the football club and you know when i think about sales or investments we know they don't want to relinquish that ownership at all so you know i think that's something to acknowledge and remember uh let me just grab some of your comments then we'll go through uh some of that can you do a sir jim radcliffe impression says that man savage um you said you want the owner to publicly back ruben now that's an issue can people not want lineas out and if they have to stay keep ruben yeah ben thank you very much for your super chat but you didn't listen to anything that i said did you in the last five minutes or last night i can't answer this question that people keep asking me because they don't listen to the show if you watched the show last night people were getting bored of me saying it's not the backing of the manager that's my problem with what Sir Jim Madliffe has said my problem with what Sir Jim Madliffe has said is five years for money to come in from the stadium three-year projects light switches look at what happened with Sir Alex and I explained this about 10 times because I knew people like you weren't going to listen and you're still not listening people in the comments last night didn't watch the show they're going you've said you've wanted an owner to back the manager for years now they're doing it and you're criticizing it didn't criticize it at all didn't criticize it at all I said in relation to backing the manager it's irrelevant I actually quite like the fact that we're not going to sack a manager I said it right at the bloody start my problem is I don't trust this ownership to do the backing to do what needs to be done quick enough everything is slow that was my whole point and I get people going when you've said you want a manager to be backed by the owner but I don't think they are backing the manager because they didn't get him a midfielder they didn't get him a right wing back so you know two things can be right and two things can be wrong I don't mind Amrin being backed I actually tweeted it last night after the show it's the one positive from that interview is that Ruben Amrin is going to be the manager till the summer guaranteed now Amrin outers aren't going to like this but they cannot sack Ruben Amrin before May because if they sack Amrin before May that interview becomes exhibit A in you're a big fucking liar.

27:43He cannot sack Amrim now because he's just done an interview saying, at the end of the day, it's not a light switch. Sir Alex Ferguson needed two years, you know, and it's not a light switch and we want to give him three years. So if you're Amrim out, I'd abandon it because it's not going to happen this season. It can't happen this season. I literally said two weeks ago, if I could press a button, I'd give Amrim the season. Obviously, if results go really bad, that's not going to be very good. But I do think that giving a manager a season instead of going for another interim or trying to do something in the season is just stupid.

28:18So I think that's a positive. My major issue is not Amrim, not him getting the season. I think that's a secondary issue and results will dictate how that conversation goes. My biggest issue is the ownership. It's slow. It doesn't seem to know what it's doing. The club seems to be getting worse and worse instead of better. um that's my issue and um i don't trust this ownership i'm sorry ben i just don't trust it i don't like it i never wanted it and you can't change my mind on that and why should i change my mind we do shows every bloody day for years and all through the sale process i never wanted to gym adliff i never wanted anybody to get into bed with in the os so i'm not going to sit there when a guy i didn't want does interviews and go i love it i absolutely love it i want to get proved wrong.

29:06Oh, I want to get proved wrong. 100 % I want to get proved wrong. But I don't back them. I didn't want them. And I don't support them. In your country, you might have a party that gets voted in democratically that you don't support. You know, you might be in the UK, and you might be, you know, Liberal Democrat or Green Party, and you hate Labour. Tough. They've been voted in, they are the government for the next few years. Doesn't mean you got to walk around with a red flag going, I love labor. You know, I don't like this ownership. I love my country. I love Man United, but I don't like this ownership and I don't have to.

29:43And you can't make me and I don't trust them and I don't like them. And they can prove me wrong by results and taking Man United back to the top, but I don't like them and I don't have to. Simple as that. Just the same as you don't have to like this community and watch. Freedom of speech. Normally in these ads, you expect somebody to ask you to buy something. But this is something different. I'm Julian Barnes, and I'm a reporter for The New York Times. I'm a national security reporter, and that means I'm reporting on military operations. These are fast-paced, quickly-moving situations. What exactly is happening on the ground is often shrouded in mystery.

30:21But we turn to trusted sources, satellite imagery, and expertise built up over years in order to ferret out the facts that wouldn't otherwise come to light. I'm here to ask you to seek out a news source that does first-hand fact-based reporting. If it's your local paper, great. If it's the Times, thank you. Because where you go for your information matters. Morning, Mark. If Saudis seal a deal for Man United ownership, do you think Amarin will stay? I've done that one before. I think we're getting into very exciting territory about something that probably won't happen. So I'm not going to talk about managers, players, or new ownership because I think that's a very big step forward.

31:13Alfie says, have you forgotten that Ineos have first refusal on any further sales of shares built into the acquisition? Total and utter nonsense, Alfie. No, Alfie, right? Look, I'll deal with the questions pragmatically. What you're saying is that the Glazers can sell the club whenever they want and Sir Jim can't stop it. But Sir Jim has first refusal. So if, let's say, the Saudis say, we'll give you 10 billion for the club and the Glazers say, yes, please. They then go to Sir Jim and say, we've got to fail for the club for 10 billion. If you don't give us 10 billion, we're selling it. Sir Jim ain't going to give us 10 billion.

31:51We've become a Saudi-owned club. First refusal is, look at it like this. man united sell mainu to brighton but we've got first refusal when brighton sell him real madrid come in and say we'll give you 100 billion for mainu brighton ring man united up and say we've had an offer of 100 million if you match it he's your player man united go forget about it so that's what that is alfie yes sir jim's got first refusal but what you're basically saying is the guy that won't put his own money into the club is suddenly going to overpay for the club if somebody offers us good money for it great if jim wants to buy the whole fucking club because he's got the money to do it great but he hasn't shown any evidence of wanting to do that yet has he i would take sir jim radcliffe owning the whole club over the glazers my problem with sir jim is that he rescued the glazers that was what made him an enemy of the club in my mind if he wants to buy the whole fucking club let's move you know in property investment if you add planning and permissions to build something bigger and plans are accepted you can ask for a higher valuation on the sale without actually building anything this seems like what happens is trimmed in morning mark we've done that one thank you very much appreciate it um okay a few other bits to go into as well this morning um oh just to answer a question from last night i was reading the comments somebody said a few people were saying in the comments last night that they felt that Sir Jim Radcliffe's statement was the end of player power because it basically was saying that you know the manager's going to be here for a long time so if players think they can sack the manager you've got another thing coming.

33:32A few people ran on that theme and I thought I'd wanted to just bring it into the show this morning because we didn't have time last night so there's a few of you last night who felt that Sir Jim Radcliffe's comments about the manager getting three years or a long time basically is a strong message to the players that you can't down tools anymore because the manager is going to survive longer than you you know if you interpret it like that that's great um what i would say about that is that a manager is always going to be easier to sack than a player that's got three four five year contracts so you know even if amrin was here for three years there's probably people with contracts that have got longer contracts than that so i don't know that it was a message to player power.

34:13I suppose the ultimate mic drop on that would be, you know, people talk about player power and, you know, player power running the club. As far as we know, Ruben Amrin picks Bruno Fernandes in the midfield. Ruben Amrin puts Luke Shaw at left centre-back. Ruben Amrin picked Harry Maguire as the centre-centre-back against Brentford. Ruben Amrin put Deleu at left wing-back. So, So, you know, we talk about player power, but Ruben Amarin picks those players. Ruben Amarin was picking the hindering goal. So I think sometimes people get confused about what player power actually is. There may well be player power issues at Manchester United.

34:53I suspect there probably are, but they're not picking the team. Not picking, you know, most of you are screaming and shouting, it should be Manu in the midfield, not Bruno. But Amarin picks Bruno. Amarin puts the captain's armband on his arm. Amorim puts Luke Shaw in the team. Amorim drops Dorgou sometimes to play Deleu at left wing-back. So, you know, player power is not picking the team. I think that to interpret Jim Radcliffe's comments about backing the manager for three years being the end of player power, but that manager picks those players in positions that you don't like. Like, there's a shared responsibility is what I'm trying to say.

35:30And also, I think Paul Scholes is correct as well. you go to Liverpool and lose and we'll be back where we were after Brentford. I think that we're in that phase at Man United at the moment. And the perfect example of this is, I hate to use the word flip-flop, but I know many of you do. I just think the fan base is in an eternal state of change. You lose a game and everything's absolutely horrendous. You win a game and if you say anything constructive or negative, you're the problem. And there is never any middle ground. like literally last week after Brentford the world was going to end we beat Sunderland at home and everything's fine so Jim's a good owner and it's like not everybody thinks that but some people do and I think that what we're crying out for really is just a bit of bloody stability which is very very very very difficult to find isn't it um unfortunately I don't I mean look the prime example of this is a protest is planned for the opening game of the season at Old Trafford against to Arsenal, which would have been massively impacted because it's the opening game of the season.

36:35Sky are there. It's in front of everybody. It's going to be a massively watched game. There could have been a protest before it and it would have been a big statement at the start of the season that the fans don't like the owners. The 58 arranged that and then there was an absolute backlash from the fan base and some content creators going it's embarrassing. Don't do it. And why did they do that? Because they thought we were buying the Labour we don't buy a midfielder the protests get cancelled because people told them to and the season just starts and you sort of like go if we'd not done that the Labour deal everyone would have said do the protest but because that particular week we were in for the Labour people like don't do the protest give them a chance give them a chance and you give them a chance and you don't get a midfielder and this is what I mean it's like the opinion in the fan base changes on a light switch like last night everybody's like backing to the gym oh good old yeah this is what we want this is the ownership we want this morning yeah get us the gym out we want a new owner and it's like it's hard to it's hard to understand what people want and you know obviously people do change their opinions that's absolutely fine but to give you a hint as to how i feel i just don't like this ownership and i don't like it i don't trust it i don't like the things they've done i don't understand this some of the stuff they've done um and i don't like it and you'll get somebody wise you know smart alec who come in and go that's because you're just a youtuber and they're successful businessmen let's take me out the equation i'd trust every single one of you 15 000 people to run this club better than the glazers and they're successful billionaires so just because someone's a billionaire doesn't mean they know anything about football um in my opinion i i just want a full sale and a and an ownership that wants to take man united back to the top because ultimately i want football to be quite simple um i've lived simpler times where there's a manager i like there's a team i like and there's a club i love and every weekend you watch them you trust them and you enjoy it and i'll tell you well between 1990 and 2012 i very rarely gave a shit about sharehold prices stadium builds um debt i just it just wasn't in my vocabulary and united were ridiculously successful between those 22 years um and i never ever went down the pub or spoke with my mates about things like share prices or anything like that i spoke about the team i spoke about are we going to win the league are we going to win the champions league and it's amazing how we've been shit for 10 years and here we are talking about sales again because we're so locked into you know we have we have an owner that sits there and talks about you know job cuts um we have a ceo that talks about you know brand deals and it's it's that i want i just want us to be a good football club and i don't think it's that difficult i think it's actually quite simple but because they run as like a business it it ends up like this um so jim masterclass buys 25 gets to go ahead for a new stadium then sells for double to the saudis as dp um well i tell you what dp lovely name um i tell you what i would say about that is that sounds massively insulting that Sir Jim Radcliffe would buy the club you know what was 25 % what did he pay for 25 % one and a half billion and then two years later he sells it for three billion I mean he probably wouldn't get three billion he might get two billion still half a billion profit in two years I mean there's no bank account that's going to give me that but i suppose it comes down to what you think is sir jim radcliffe's motives like is he a lifelong man united fan obsessed with making his win or is he a businessman who you know sees it as you know massively um you know enticing to own a football club that you support and make some money out of it i mean try to buy chelsea the guy tried to buy chelsea he tried to buy half a barcelona so maybe that is it i don't think player power is the issue anymore which player is in the squad that rumour and amarin doesn't want rashford sancho and arna ganacho anthony all gone as he wanted his class of 99 maybe it's just investment in socks for the youth says john yeah sports direct sports direct again supplies with some socks we're not being taken over how do we go from so jim talking about three-year plans and the next day new ownership potential as fans we live on the edge don't know what to think i think this is a great point by nick you know you know i went to bed last night quite depressed about Man United because I was like, I don't know I'm in the minority, but it's my opinion.

41:28Didn't really care about whether Amram's here for three months or three years. Quite like the idea that we're going to stick with a manager because I've said for a long time, let's walk down the path less trodden. But I looked beyond that statement from Sir Jim Madcliffe and he is a puppet to the Glazers. I need to keep remembering this. He's just a puppet. He's just the guy who says stuff they want him to. I just saw three, five-year plans again from the Glazers. And I've heard this from Woodward. I've heard it from Arnold. I've heard it from Joel Glazer. These three to five year plans that we're 10 years into that haven't happened.

42:01And I just think like everybody else is moving so fast and we're moving so slow. So I went to bed quite fed up thinking I'm going to get proved right on this. I don't want to get proved right, but I'm going to get proved right. All these people who are trying to be positive about this interview, I guarantee in the next three, six, nine months, they'll be going, he's a liar. He's a load of bullshit because that's what happens all the time you know it's like the treadmill isn't it where the cycle continues then you wake up this morning and you go what's this load of crap and then you do a little bit of research and you go why would you like and you go maybe just maybe there's hope maybe maybe there is some hope and then you go why are you doing that again why are you giving yourself hope because i want to believe that man you can get back to the top and i think the only way of doing that is with the right ownership so it is amazing nick you can go to bed like really you know fed up about the way the club's heading and then you can wake up the next day and be going oh my god um i really wish i really wish we could get the change of ownership but you know what i'm gonna be right at the front of the queue saying it's a load of bollocks i'm afraid um thank you very much to that for nick p um i told you i'd one inch wonder says i told you i'd make it happen since i moved to saudi you're welcome well let's hope something does happen because that would be great right let me just catch up on a few other little bits here from this morning that i haven't um discussed because i feel like we've spoken about that a lot um here we go there we go why am i so slow i'm not used to being back in here this is the summer transfer we're doing it oh yeah okay i mean look it's in the sun so but man united defender harry mcguire is hoping to sign a new contract with his current deal at the club set to expire at the end of the season uh united's director of football negotiations matt negotiations matt hargreaves has held initial talks with the england internationals representatives his current salary has already been reduced by 25 since united and not in europe so he's already on around 140k a week and united are looking to negotiate look you're never going to catch me slagging off harry mcguire anymore to the extent i extent i used to because i think his bounce back ability his dedication to the cause cannot be questioned um well we should not be renewing the contracts of a player that's not a first team player and isn't good enough anymore like um uh you know even a hundred grand a week is too much money for a player that's not a first team starter in a team that's not in europe so i think we've got an opportunity to move him on um and we should do that and i also think harry mcguire's at an age where he should just be prioritizing playing first team football over sitting on the bench at man cheerleader so I think that he should be moved on really but not because I dislike him or anything like that just because I think surely we are a football club that needs to you know save money and and utilize it elsewhere so I would move him on uh to be honest with you but I think this whole leadership group thing is is is becoming a little bit of a problem um what's Harry Maguire a leader in like I know he's well respected in the club and I know he's well liked but what's he actually won what you know a carabao cup an fa cup what what what's his experience to pass on um it's a sad state of affairs that we need to keep players in the team in the squad who are leaders who haven't won anything um he's not johnny evans johnny evans has won premier league titles so i personally i like harry mcguire but i think it's a you know it's time to move on time to move on uh secondly a little bit coming out about martinez lissandro martinez over the last couple of days the mail is saying that Martinez is often cut a frustrated figure with his determination to return to the first team during another difficult period for the manager however the club wants to ensure he comes back fully prepared for a busy part of the season.

45:54I spoke about this before because we do get bits of information coming in from the training ground and I think I spoke about it on Monday about Martinez he is not going to be back against Liverpool he's not done any combat training combat training um what do they call it um there's a word for it someone will know it it's um he's done ball work he's done individual work he's not done like contact contact training he's not done any contact training so you know passing drills uh tackling things like that he's not done next stage for him so he's i don't think martinez is back until december in my opinion maybe late november but i don't think he's going to be back till december because it's a long injury it's a bad injury he's got to get match fitness he's got to get match sharpness he's got to deal with tackling again there may well be a little bit of period of rehabilitation after a week of that so So I don't see him back before the next international break, which is only 34 games before the next international break.

47:06So I think Martinez, sometimes people want to, you know, profess that he's going to be back sooner than he is. There was talk in the summer of him being back for September. We were always told that was ridiculously optimistic. He did go on the tour and he has been doing like conditioning work for quite a while but it's a significant injury and the concern with martinez is that i said it before as well when you have significant injuries there are normally secondary injuries as well especially what on your on your knee because if you if you've not been using your left knee for a long time your right knee gets overcompensated then when your left knee starts being worked your right knee is not needed as much and then it can pick up injuries as well you know muscle injuries etc so the club have got to be very very very very wary um of that i mean i'd love martinez back of course loving back but um it's uh not that easy um this was jamie carrigan i don't like saying a manager should be sacked it's disrespectful and it's a man's job but i'm at the point where i do think amram's job is untenable it's inevitable that it's going to happen before christmas um paul scrolls was on the same video with him and agreed with that i disagree with that now i I disagree with that now.

48:22I think that, as I said a few minutes ago, the one positive I would take from Sir Jim's interview is that if he sacks Reuben Amarin before Christmas or before the end of the season, he's a massive liar. I don't expect him to give him three years if the results aren't good enough, but I do expect him to give him the season now. I don't think you can sit there and talk about Sir Alex Ferguson's bad start, Arteta's bad start, three years, it's not a light switch. You know, I don't think we can talk about those sort of things and then sack him before Christmas, because as an owner, you look completely incompetent.

48:58You know, if there's a chance you're going to sack him before Christmas, keep your mouth shut. He's chosen to speak. And I think that he has to give him the season now. I see that as a positive. I don't think it's a positive if we lose our next four games. But I think it's a positive to not sack a manager in season and, you know, go to another interim and continue with the cycle. I think at some point you've got to stick with a manager and just go, let's see if it gets better. I mean, it might get worse. Of course, it might get worse. The win ratio is not very good. Some of his decision making is horrific, but maybe if you stick with it, eventually it does start to get better.

49:37And I think that's what they're saying they're going to do for this season. I don't listen to the three year stuff because three years is terrifyingly long if it gets bad. But I do think, give him the season. I also think, give him a midfielder in January. Yeah, but I definitely do think that. So let's wait and see what happens. But obviously, that's not going to be what Amri Mauters want to hear. And the pressure is not going to go. The funny thing is, as well, I read a lot of people on the comments last night saying, this is just a Jim Radcliffe shutting the media down. And I think, oh my God, how naive are we?

50:10Tell the media not to talk about something. and they're not going to go oh let's stop talking about it they're still going to do it it'll make them more determined some journalists who don't like amram will be like i'm not listening to this is jim radcliffe it's going to make me double my efforts you know uh owners say three years backing amram saying we're living game to game just shows how easily the owners can manipulate the mass we need an owner that can buy 100 says set and daniel stertridge says i don't understand how people get too high about a probable load of bollocks don't excuse what the ownership has done managers aren't always to blame don't saudis own newcastle can they also own united as chris and look as look the two o 'clock show with um

50:53the two o 'clock show with ben jacobs will be brilliant i'm sure other stuff's going to come out before then but ben's always very tapped in on this sort of stuff so i'm looking forward to the two o 'clock show anyway um but you're right the saudis do own newcastle and turkey al-a-sheikh is massively involved with the saudis but the way he's talking it might not be saudi investment it might be a bloody look flip it around it might be another investment group from mac from from america who don't want anything to do with the club and wants a gym ratliff to do it what if it's like an investment group from a faceless investment group from america who are willing to pump some money in as well and let's a gym run it so you know we might dilute shares again i don't know i don't know there might be something in it let's wait and see um okay i'm going to do a little bit of a reveal of the christmas jumper not all of it this is the best christmas jumper we've ever done it's not for sale yet but um i'm just going to give you a little look at the arm there we go it's it's lovely it's absolutely lovely i can't wait to get it on uh and we'll let you know when it launches you can get them worldwide as well uh but there will be a limited run as always so yeah let me go um if amarin starts to get wins would you pragmatically back him i already back him i don't know why people look i hope i hope the club's gonna get sold i don't like the ownership i'm not gonna like the ownership until the club gets better i never wanted this ownership and I don't like it.

52:26That's my stance. When Sir Jim Radcliffe talks, I see problems because I don't trust him. He's basically a glazer puppet. To understand my point of view, you have to realize I see Sir Jim Radcliffe as a puppet to the glazers and I don't like the glazers. That's my stance. So when he does an interview, I just think PR, glazer puppet, bullshit, lies, nonsense crap heard this for 10 years I don't believe any of it I don't like it that's my stance it's as simple as that with regards to Amrim it's a very separate conversation I don't want the manager to be sacked I want him to do well I like Ruben Amrim I don't like some of his team selections and I'll be critical of those but I've never said Amrim out and I'm not Amrim out I want him to do well so don't let people try and put thoughts into your head because if I'm a manager out, like I was with Van Gaal, I'll tell you and I'll say it.

53:20And I don't care what people think because I'm more than happy to put my opinion out there, as I did last night, even though I know it is a minority view. I stand by it. I'm not changing it. So I'm sure some of you love it when I say things that you agree with. But as I've said for 10 years, the United Stand is a place for everybody to have an opinion and you're not meant to agree with mine. And I think sometimes people forget that and they start moaning going oh i didn't like the show because mark said something i don't like well that's music to my ears because you're you're meant to have your own opinions that's the way it's meant to work i can't wait for the two o 'clock show um ben jacobs on uh two o 'clock i'll be watching i'll be in the chat uh looking forward to that and let's see what's behind this if anything um thanks for watching take care speak to you in a bit.