207: Amorim MUST Do THIS!

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0:44We've also got some talk around who could be the next Manchester United manager in the summer. And some interesting comments from an ex-player around a current new signing as well. Lots to get into this morning. I hope you're all doing very, very well. Just remember, week today, we'll be playing Liverpool. We'll be back. Football's back on Friday. The Bundesliga, that's football. The Premier League on Saturday. But we play a week today. Look, I want to get straight into it. Just do it. Ruben Amirim around the midfield. There are some reports again coming in this morning with the UK Sunday morning press that Manchester United could be looking to tempt Crystal Palace with a£60 million bid for Adam Wharton in January.

1:25Now, it's funny because we were talking last night about how we don't believe Man United will do anything in January because we don't do stuff in January. We don't have a lot of money. And I suppose, and I don't intend to talk about the sale unless anybody asks a conversation about it. I don't intend to talk about it. But I think this is something that I would just say before we talk about the midfield, because there is a poll going on about whether you'd go for Wharton, Anderson or Balaba. I have compared the three players over the last 12 months and thrown Declan Rice and Bruno Fernandes in there so we can look at the key things.

1:58And why for me, the answer is Elliot Anderson. But some of you might not understand that. So I hinted at it last night. I'll explain my point in a moment. But you can get somewhere in life by taking the slow approach. You know, take your time. You know, there's evidence of that. If you go to university and you train for four years, you may end up being a doctor at the end of it. if it's four years. You're not going to do it in three months. But there are other things in life where if you take ages doing it, you're going to fall behind because everyone else is quicker than you. And I think in football, that tends to be the case.

2:31If Manchester United are absolutely looking to rebuild under this Ineos-Glazer partnership and they are looking to stick with Ruben Amrim as their manager, then they have to, have to, you have to study for eight years according to Justin to be a doctor. Thank you very much. You have to go and get the players now. And I think when you look at United and you look at the problems in that midfield and you listen to we might make a bid in January, I think we have to make a bid in January. I simply do. More news this morning that Napoli really want Mainu in January. Like we can't be keeping Mainu in January when we don't want Mainu in January.

3:15Like we can't just keep him because, let's be honest, why do we want to keep Maynou in January? I know what I want to keep Maynou. I want to keep Maynou because I want to play him, but I'm not the manager and you're not the manager. It's very clear that this manager doesn't fancy Maynou, doesn't fancy Agate. Now we can fight against that as much as we like, but he doesn't rate them. He picks Casemiro and Bruno over Maynou and Agate. Bruno is not a midfielder. Casemiro is a player the club's tried to solve for two years. So let's call it for what it is. Agathe's future at Man United is not great and neither is Maynus at this point in time.

3:50And yet we probably won't let either of them go in January because it's difficult to replace you. What type of mentality is that for a football club that's halfway through a race? It's almost like giving up. Like you have to be proactive. I look back at Chelsea. I think it was the first January transfer window that Todd Bowley had. Did they not go and spend£100 million on Enzo Fernandes? And everyone was going Benfica won't do a deal. Benfica won't do a deal. I don't know why they're bothering. Benfica definitely won't do a deal. Benfica won't do it. They've just done a deal. Oh, I'm very surprised.

4:20And that's because you can be aggressive in football. You can go and get deals done. We've seen it happen. And I think that if we wait until the summer, we effectively carry on as we are. Bruno, Casemiro, Mainu and Agate not really wanted. We go through a whole season like that. And then in the summer, we go, let's try and buy a midfielder. and every other club that knows they've got Champions League football go, oh, we'll have that. We'll have that. I think there's a huge advantage to going in January because if you go in January, you can let Maynou go on loan. He's getting football. That's great.

4:56If you go in January, you can get the player in to solve the problem now in the midfield. And if you go in January, I think you also get ahead of the Liverpools and the Chelsea's and the Arsenal's who, to be honest, do not need a midfielder in January and probably won't commit to a midfielder in January until they know what they've done in May. And what I mean by that is when you've qualified for the Champions League, you know you've got your£100 million guaranteed. But in January, you don't. And you don't need a midfielder in January. If you're Chelsea, you don't need a midfielder. If you're Liverpool, you don't need a midfielder.

5:29If you're Arsenal, you don't need a midfielder. In the summer, when you've qualified, as we've seen already, you go, I'd like a midfielder. I'd like to have a little bit more depth there. But in January, they don't. So it's an open goal for Man United to go in January and go for the midfielder because we desperately need one. We get ahead of everybody else. And also they bed in earlier. We need them now. But the big problem is going to be, where's the money to do this? And I think that's always the thing that you need to hold on to. It's never about the football. It's never about getting ahead of anybody else.

6:03It's always about the funds. The reason we won't let Maynou go in January is because we haven't got the money to replace him in January. And actually, it's the right time to do it. It's the perfect time to do it. And we should be doing it. So when I see stories about tempting Crystal Palace with 60 million, I think we should be tempting Crystal Palace with 60 million. I think we should be trying to tempt Brighton as well and Nottingham Forest and Stuttgart with Stille. We should be making a play for a midfield in January. And this is why, and I don't want to get into the sales stuff because we're talking football here.

6:36But this is why I think anybody that sits there and goes, I'd like to see what happens with this ownership. Well, let's wait and see what happens with this ownership because what will happen with this ownership is they won't tempt anybody. They'll go, mainly you're staying till the summer and we're planning something big in the summer, like they say every year. We're planning something big in the summer and then we'll sit there all summer watching these big signings go elsewhere and we'll end up with fifth or sixth choice. This is why we need a new ownership. This is why we need owners that want to get the money in the club and they want to be competitive today, not tomorrow.

7:09And that is why we should be doing what the reports are saying, but I don't necessarily believe that we will. They are assets on an Excel spreadsheet, says Kiel. To attract the midfielders we want, says Marlowe. Good morning, mate. Hope you're doing well. We need to show progress and a clear project. To be able to progress, we need top-class midfielders. It is a conundrum. I think what you need to do, Marlo, is you need to go, Napoli will take Kabi Menuh in January. You line that deal up straight away. And right now, in October, November, December, you are talking to Stuttgart. You are talking to Crystal Palace.

7:42You are talking to Brighton and you are talking to Newcastle. You don't need to talk to anybody else. You've got Angelo Stiller. You've got Adam Wharton. You've got Elliot Anderson and you've got Carlos Baleba. You've got four options there and you basically make sure you get the best one you can get, but you make sure you get somebody. And then in January, Manu's playing football and you have a midfielder and we absolutely need to go and do it. And there's no reason not to do it. And what annoys me about it is it's not pie in the sky. It's happening at other football clubs and we need to make it happen.

8:16Rajaf says, I can't lie, Mark. Things about to go down if I don't see my boy Xerxes on the pitch soon. sitting defenders down. We're missing his insane aura. I don't think we're going to see Xerxes anytime soon. And to be so, thank you very much for your super chat this morning. He says, this may be a controversial point, but if we want to be serious top three clubs, then we need to do a Chelsea and sign two marquee midfielders. Mine would be Belaber and Wharton. BN, welcome to the members club. Well, look, before I've got a few other bits I want to talk to you about. Thomas Tuchel has been mentioned for the Man United job and other international managers been mentioned for the Man United job.

8:50Very interesting what Wes Brown has said about Le Mems and also some comments from the Slovenian coach about Sesco last night. Yeah, we'll talk about that in a moment. But I did I did want to bring this in. Right. I have access to something called Wisecout, which is used by a lot of clubs and a lot of people who are into their stats. I don't use it as much as I should. But I do. I do want to just use it in this instance, because basically what I've done is I've taken Angelo Stiller. I've just added him in as well. So I've got Stiller, Wharton, Balaba, Anderson, Rice and Bruno Fernandes. And I've taken all their stats from the last year.

9:31I've whacked them into compare mode. Now, I'm going to say before the start of this, the reason I think Man United should go for Elliot Anderson is because his ridiculous work rate to win the ball back is incredible. as I said last night he's played more passes this season than anybody else and more forward passes than anybody else this season he's a brilliant carrier of the ball as well and he has the right mentality so he likes to tackle he works hard he passes the ball a lot he passes the ball forward a lot and he's aggressive and he also carries the ball a lot I mean for me that would make a huge huge impact on Manchester United I thought he had a good season last season I think he's having an even better season this season and he's in the England team I think he is the perfect balance of what we need at Manchester United.

10:18And I think we should be chucking as much as we can at that deal now. Now, the great thing is there are other alternatives. There is Adam Wharton. There is Carlos Belaiba. There is Angelo Stiller. But I, for me, think Elliot Anderson is the closest thing to what I would describe as, you know, the Roy Keane's, the, you know, Stephen Gerrard's, the Paul Scholes, you know, the old school midfielders that don't exist anymore. And I'm not putting him on that pedestal. I'm just saying at 22, he's massively Premier League proven. His career is on the up and he brings the fundamentals that we need. Obviously, I think you could argue that Wharton might be better at something than him and Belay might be something better than him.

10:57But the overall package, I just like it. That's the player I would go for. But look, this is what I wanted to just very, very quickly do. I've got all three players. I've got all these players, right? So passes per 90 over the last 12 months. Angelo Stiller, 70. Elliot Anderson, 65. Balaba, 39. Wharton, 39. Bruno, 53. And Declan Rice, 50. So Stiller and Anderson are playing more passes than anybody else. Their accuracy is both up at 90%. Forward passes per 90. 23, Stiller. 17 Anderson 15 Wharton 17 Bruno Declan Rice is down on 12 and Belaber is down on 10 so on passing still an Anderson a way out in front but let's have a look at some other bits as well I think I think if we can find progressive runs per 90 Declan Rice 2.2 Bruno 1.6 Angelo Stiller 1.2, Elliot Anderson 1.35, Belaber 1.45 and Wharton 0.9.

12:14Offensive Jules 1 per 90, 9 Anderson, 4 Stiller, 6.5 Belaber, 3.5 Wharton, 4 Rice, 5 Bruno.

12:34and shots per 90 uh 1.2 anderson one belaber 0.7 wharton 0.6 still a 1.4 rice 2.4 bruno which you'd expect because he was playing as a number 10 a lot last year as well and then defensively successful defensive actions per 90 9.3 Anderson 8 Belaber 8.3 Wharton 6.5 Stiller 5.4 Rice 6.5 Bruno defensive jewels per 90 8.2 Anderson 6.2 Belaber 5.5 Wharton 5 Bruno 4 Stiller 3.4 Declan Rice. Ariel Jules, 3.2 Anderson, 1 Wharton, 2.6 Belaber, 1.8 Stiller. Interceptions per 90, 4.2 Anderson, 4.4 Belaber, 3.8 Wharton, 3.1 Bruno, 3.6 Stiller. I just think Elliot Anderson comes out on top for a lot of that.

13:41And stats, you know, I'm not a big person on stats, but I just think Elliot Anderson is the best all-rounder. And if you're going to play an Amarim system, then I think your midfield two need to be more Elliot Anderson and Balaba than they do Casemiro. I think they've got to be moving forward. The stupidest comment I've read all morning comes from Hafito saying Anderson is another Agate. I mean, this is what we're up against people, Stupid people on a Sunday morning I mean what correlation has Uruguayan Agate Who's played for Sporting and PSG Got with Elliot Anderson Who's come through the Newcastle Academy And now plays at Nottingham Forest Apart from they play in the midfield And they're male I mean come on That's just lazy Absolutely lazy I honestly think the answer is not to pick one It's to pick two I mean you know that's the sort of I might have lured some of you in But I haven't because some of the live chat are already on it.

14:41For me, you take two out of Stilla. I mean, I think looking at it, Stilla is not as defensive as a Casemiro, but he's not as attacking as a Bruno. I think Stilla and Anderson would be a brilliant two. I also think Wharton and Balabia would be a brilliant two. Wharton and Anderson would probably be a good two as well. But I think for me, if I was going to take two, I'd take Stilla and Anderson. I think they're the two that would complement each other really, really well. But I don't think we'll go for Stilla. But I think you've just got to make an offer in January. And the thing that bothers me is twofold.

15:21One, we don't have the ownership who are aggressive when it comes to spending money in January. And two, the midfielder market, like the striker market, is really good next summer, like the striker market was this summer. But we ended up with fifth choice because De Laat went to Chelsea, understandably. Jokeres went to Arsenal, understandably. Eketike went to Liverpool, understandably. We didn't want to pay the money for Watkins at 29, understandably. So we ended up with Sesko, fifth choice. And I'm happy with Sesko, but will we get away with that next year? If we miss out on Wharton, Belaba, Anderson, Stille, what's next?

15:59And I think the midfielder market next summer is going to be very good. And the problem with it is in the summer is that if you are Real Madrid or your PSG or your Chelsea or your Arsenal or your Liverpool, the one area of the pitch where you can always convince your CEO, let's go and spend 70, 80 million pounds on them, but you've already got a midfield. Yeah, but there's 60 games to play. It's after the World Cup. We're going to get injuries. This is the one area of the pitch where we do need options. Yeah, right. Let's go and get Wharton. So don't look at Arsenal, Liverpool anymore and go, but they don't need a midfielder.

16:34Come on. We know people get injured. We know fitness levels. We know the volume of games and we know the income they've got. Like Arsenal probably spent about 200 million on bench players when you when you add it up. Liverpool certainly did. So they're just going to go out there and buy these players in the summer. And we need to be doing it in January, in my belief. Just to let you know what your thoughts are. Wharton is the winner with 41 percent, Belaber's 34 percent and Anderson 25 percent. I like this. I like the fact that I'm in the minority there because I think Anderson's perfect. And I think he is a little bit niche, but I think he's perfect for what we need.

17:12I think he's a hidden gem. I think they'll go for Belaba because I think Man United have consistently made this mistake over the years, whereby a bit like Sancho, you know, we want him one year and we don't change our mind and we go again. I have and I'm not going to change my mind on this. If I get proved wrong, I'm happy. But I have massive concerns about Balaba. Massive concerns about Balaba. I think he's having a really bad season. And I don't think statistically he adds up defensively to what we need either. He's very good at the high press. He's very, very good at carrying the ball and he's very energetic.

17:55But I don't know whether he's got the defensive discipline. I mean, the problem you have with Man United is if you bypass Bruno Fernandes or, you know, you deal with Bruno Fernandes, you're running into space. And I think we need two players that understand how to play in that midfield two position. Emily Derry says, if possible, I think we will end up going for Belieber. I do. I think the groundwork's been done. And I also think he's not the best option. So I think Brighton will privately be going, let's do the deal. He's clearly not got the minerals anyway. Let's do this deal and let it be Man United's problem.

18:35I think they will do the deal. Because I think even Brighton are probably waking up to Bel-Aber now and going, he is not a£100 million player. We thought he was, but he's not. So let's just play the game with Man United a little bit and take them for what we can get. If possible, I would go for the two of those options, Anderson and Wharton or Stilles as Emily. I think I agree. I think we have to go for two. It shouldn't be one and we should be demanding two. Imagine if you did bring the Labour in or Wharton in, they'd still be who they're going to play with. I mean, Manu's not getting the opportunity.

19:12Agathe, I think people have given up on. I mean, I haven't given up on Agathe yet, but I mean, he's just nowhere near. And yeah, I think we need two. Morning Frank Did you see about Ugarte Dropped once again And Bielsa saying That they won't be more They want to be more technical Hope he can recover his confidence As Artak I didn't see that I mean I can very quickly check it I want to talk about Sesco actually In relation to internationals So we can do that I mean the reality is The reality is That when we bought Ugarte He was doing fantastically well For Uruguay It was just coming off the back of the Carabao Cup, wasn't it?

19:59And he was doing very, very well. They played on the 10th against Dominican Republic. It was a friendly, to be fair. But he was on the bench, I think. Let me have a quick look.

20:22I don't even know if he's on the bench.

20:28Trying to have a look here.

20:37I can't even see if he was on the bench for that game. But look, Agate was a very important player for them. But he ain't playing football. He's not playing football. So what do you expect?

20:51Rajaf says, on a more serious note, Anderson is having the better individual season, but don't you think Wharton is the better prospect, Mark, says Rajaf. I'd be very happy with all of them. I'm just very impressed with Anderson at the moment. Why are we voting for one when we need all three, says Tusha. Very fair point. Very, very, very, very, very fair point. Jack Davies says, spending pounds is still a gamble. So many failed. Lack of emphasis on player development. Maynou, Kone, Lacey, Collier could be more potential lost, says Jack I think this is a very intelligent comment as well Not all answers are found in a checkbook When you think about Elliot Anderson He came through the Newcastle Academy When you think about Adam Warton, he comes in from Blackburn We do need to start producing our own players, absolutely And I think you raise a good point, Jack, definitely the problem is at the moment would you rather spend 60 to 70 million pounds on Wharton or Beliba or would you rather promote someone like Kone now obviously I would rather promote someone it's cheaper but at what point in the last decade have we shown the platform for a young player to be nurtured and developed we don't have the leaders to do it so I mean how you know how's it going to work for Kone in a midfield with Bruno shouting at him and throwing his hands up in the this is the problem and we don't actually have the environment to develop players when was the last player that we developed at Manchester United um we're not very good at it and even when you look at this season Dorgo Dorgo and Yoro who are both like 20 and 19 I think I'm not far off with that um they've been dropped more than Luke Shaw and um and Bruno so you know even the manager you would say isn't that focused on developing players.

22:41Manu can't get anywhere near the team, but Casemiro can. So it's not just the environment, and I don't think the environment's there to develop youth players. It's also the management. They will veer towards experienced players over younger players when the going gets tough. I mean, you know, we've seen that. Deleuze's been playing at left wing back instead of Dorgoo at times. Yoro gets dropped for Maguire. Casemiro and Bruno play over Manu. So we're not actually set up to bring young players in at the moment, which is why I believe the best course of action is the Cunyars and the Mbemos and the Andersons and the Whartons.

23:19I think that's exactly what we need. I want to bring through young players at Man United and we've got some really talented young players at Man United, but I don't believe the environment is there at the moment. So we need to build the environment first, of course. if it were Tusha says if it were me I won't go anywhere near a midfielder who costs over 40 million we need to get four at least and we need to find the cheap so believe in the scouts says Tusha and Sanchet says no point getting anyone in January if Amarim is not ready to bench Bruno I may be completely wrong thank you very much for that I think that Maynou and Wharton are the best combos says Eric Leonard thank you very much for that and Artek we've done as well just talking about international breaks.

24:03Some people have sort of picked up on this. I'm not particularly bothered about it, but I would bring it in. Slovenia, Sesko, international duty. Their last game, they struggled to score goals and the coach sort of came out with, we need a killer instinct in the box. Some of the press have been a bit anti-Sesko. Some of them have been quite, you know, it was a tough ask for him. It was just one of those days. I don't care about international football. And, you know, I've seen a few tweets, but it's Slovenia at the end of the day. I don't think many people are going to pick up on it. I really don't care.

24:37Apparently, Portugal won 1-0. Bruno and Deleuze played, and Jorre played for France, I think, as well. And there's no Man United players in the England squad. The international break for me is a massive inconvenience. The big positive for me is that it's two weeks for people like Martinez to get back to fitness and closer. De Ligt didn't get called up, so, you know, it has a bit of a break. people like Luke Shaw and Mason Mount you know they they have two weeks of not getting injured as well so you know Xerxes, Maynou, Hunger two weeks off I don't really care about the international break and also in relation to Sesko I would take it as a warning for Manchester United if he's playing for Slovenia and they're lacking a killer instinct maybe he's not getting the service there and it's just a reminder that sesco might not score for the next four games if we don't provide him with service and we've seen this before we saw it with rasmus last year we saw it with cavani we've seen it with marcial just because we've got a striker that's decent if we don't service the striker then people will be on his back again so i don't really care about what happens on international duty i care if they get injured but on international duty obviously it's great if they score a hat trick for confidence or whatever but i really don't i don't i don't care it's like it's like artax said about agate realistically am i shocked that he's not playing for uruguay i just he's not playing for man united um but in relation to sesco i feel that it is just about we have to service the striker and if we service him there'll be no conversation there'll be no negativity uh it's as simple as that but i'm certainly not somebody that's going to give a a massive toss about a toss about um about um sesko having a perceived average gain for slovenia talking about strikers gazette della sport are reporting that manchester united forward joshua zirksi has emerged as a january target for roma they're keen to take him on loan to give him much needed minutes on the pitch ahead of the world cup i mean i don't think zirksi's going to the World Cup anyway.

26:44I might be wrong about that, but I don't think he will be going to the World Cup. But obviously, you can understand why he wants to play minutes. From the minute we bought Xerxi, he's always been linked into Italy. So those knocks on the door are going to happen. We reported it at the start of the week about Manu and Xerxi, and then everyone else picked up on it within hours. Those door knocks will happen. What I would say is it's only the middle of October. We've still got two and a half months till that January transfer window opens. were actually closer to the start of the season than we are the January transfer window.

27:16So there are many twists and turns that could happen. But of course, if it continues like it is for Mainland and Xerxes, I think they will be knocking on the door. I wanted to bring this in before I talk about the managerial situation because there is a story about Thomas Tuchel this morning. Wes Brown talking about the change of goalkeeper. He says, I think there were a couple of positive things against Sunderland. Maybe the most important thing was the keeper. He gave a very confident display and I think that gives encouragement to the rest of the team. We had more consistency and what I mean by that is the defence was solid and the keeper was solid.

27:49We were creating chances and obviously we got two goals out of that. I actually think that so much has been said about the goalkeeper and I think that is obviously a very, very, very, very big positive. but I also think the way we played against Sunderland could well have been preparatory for the trip to Anfield next week because I agree with a lot of people against Sunderland I think that we got the early goal and then we did sort of look to counter I can't remember if I'm right or wrong on this but I think possession wise it was about 50-50 which for Man United at home against Sunderland you'd expect us to be a little bit higher but I think we actually did give up possession to try and sit and counter and I think that that's something that we probably will do certainly I think we will do at Anfield so the way that we played against Sunderland I don't think it was that good we could have won four or five nil we definitely you know you can we've seen it with Brentford we've seen it with Crystal Palace you can have 30 percent of the ball and you can still win four or five nil and I think we could have done that against Sunderland but I think stylistically the way we played I think we will probably see something quite similar against Liverpool where hopefully we can score early but I certainly think we'll be looking to counter and let them have the ball which is why Wes Brown's right the goalkeeper giving you some confidence

29:15we've all played the game but I used to play you know right at the end of secondary school was probably one of the best years I ever had like in my career because our school team was the best in the district and I played for a good Sunday team as well but I had different goalkeepers and it was weird because they were very different goalkeepers one of them for a long ball would would be on the edge of their box run out and kick it and another one would just stay in their box and it's they were both good goalkeepers but what I'm saying is it's like it was a bit of a head mess as a centre-back because I played with a different centre-back partnership as well for school and a different goalkeeper to the one I did on Sunday the guy I played centre-back with on a Sunday was actually in the midfield for the school team so it was always a bit of a head mess to go from a different goalkeeper and different centre-back partnership um but different different situations give you different confidence so So I think with Le Mendes in goal, we could see the problems that Inanna was causing for Maguire and Yorou last season.

30:25And Biender would have been doing the same. So the importance of having a goalkeeper that's confident and gives confidence to the defence makes the defence play better. And Wes Brown would know all about that. Chip says, if Belayba continues to get hooked in games, how about a May-New Belayba straight loan in both directions in January? Maybe with a buy option. well you know that wasn't the thing I'm saying just do we've spoken about that already but would you do that I mean if Manu's not getting picked and Amrin wants Belaber and Brighton are open to it why would you not do it we won't do it but why wouldn't you do it because Man United make too many decisions that are business orientated when actually we should be football orientated and that will take care of the business side.

31:12I mean, there was this quote from Sir Jim Radcliffe in his interview a few days ago. And I think this sort of sums up where we're going wrong, even though some people might think it's where we're going right. So this was Sir Jim Radcliffe's quote. Now, remember, this is the guy that's been put in charge of taking Man United back to the top of football. And this was his quote. Man United will become the most profitable football club in the world, in my view. And from that will stem, I hope, a long-term, sustainable, high level of football. I mean, that sentence to me terrifies me. But to some people, they go, yeah, it makes sense.

31:51So Man United will become the most profitable football club in the world, in my view. And from that will stem, I hope, a long-term, sustainable, high level of football. What that says to me is we're taking care of the business side and then that will take care of the football side. And that's fine. That's absolutely fine. Some people would approach it in that way. So we're business first and then the business side will take care of the football side. For me, in entertainment and in sport and in football, you focus on the football side and that takes care of the business side. If you're winning, people buy more shirts.

32:26They want to sponsor you. You get more people turning up. You can you know, fill your ground more. You don't take care of the business side while your football side's suffering. And I think this is, you know, I appreciate the honesty from Sir Jim Ladcliffe. I really, really do. But it just verifies what I think many of us are concerned about in relation to this ownership. Man United are going to become really profitable. And then when we're profitable, we can then spend on the football side. This is going to take ages. And how are we going to become unprofitable when we're not good on the pitch.

32:57What they're basically saying is when we build this stadium in five years time, it will be so big, we'll be able to make a lot of money out of it. And then we'll be able to put it back in the club. That could be 10 years down the line, by the way, 10 years. In 10 years, you can make a billion pounds by being in the Champions League. You're not going to make a billion pounds from that football club, from that stadium, a profit. you're just not so this is the problem that we're facing we have an ownership model that a lot of people just don't agree with and it's going to be slow and you know this is what happens when you've got business people in charge i think um it's problematic one minute

33:54Sorry, my accountant was just verifying what I'd said. Yeah, a new midfielder won't be able to take Bruno's place, so you'll have to play with Bruno, says Marlowe, and will be dragged down and suffer. Let's keep calm and wait until Bruno's gone, then we can build something new. You're like Sir Jim Radcliffe, Marlowe. You're like, let's just put up with it how it is, and then in the summer we can rebuild. I respect it. I disagree with it. I think this slowly, slowly, slowly approach is not going to work. And I don't agree with, let's just stick with how things are for the moment, because in the future, things will be better.

34:33I don't agree with that. I'm sorry, I don't. I think it's too slow. I think we needed a midfielder yesterday. I'm not waiting till tomorrow. Get one today. January for me is today. summer is tomorrow last summer was yesterday we needed midfielders yesterday get one today don't wait till tomorrow and also Marlowe the problem is as we move on to the next topic I don't know how any owner or fan can be looking beyond the end of their nose when it comes to Manchester United we know what we need but you can't even look to January let alone this summer let's make do with Bruno and Casemiro till the summer and then let's buy a good midfielder you're not you you can't hit fast play you can't sim till the end of the season and everything's the same one thing that is absolutely certain about man united is that game to game will we live or die so lose to liverpool next week no one's going let's just get to the summer and with you know he could be gone jim marlo radcliffe's jims no marlo's no marlo's a good lad But I genuinely think that sometimes the international break is great because it gives you time to reflect and discuss that you don't really get the time to do when all the games are going on.

35:50But we must remember that we are 10th in the league and the only games we've won this season have been against newly promoted side and 10 men Chelsea. So we haven't had the most convincing start to the season. It's not the worst start to the season. It's not the most surprisingly bad start to the season. but to talk about and look I think Marlow does speak in the language of Sir Jim Radcliffe you know let's take our time on this you know it's a long-term project it's not a light switch the problem is you're not in control of the light switch so Jim Radcliffe thinks he can decide when to turn the light switch on or off he can't in football you don't control it if you could control it, everything would go your way.

36:33It's the most unpredictable sport, as we know, and magic can happen and damage can happen. And look, my prediction is we'll lose to Liverpool or we'll draw to Liverpool, which would be a good result. I think we'll beat Brighton. I think Forest will have a new manager by the time we play them. It could be their new manager's first game. They are a decent side, have just made a bad choice. That becomes very different and difficult. And I think Spurs under Thomas Frank, you never know what can happen there. And then you're back into another international break. I think we could lose two, win two, or we could lose two, win one, draw one.

37:13But I don't see Amrind being out of the woods at any point this season, really. I just think it's going to be that, like that. And look, you know, maybe goes to Liverpool and draws. Maybe he beats Brighton, maybe he beats Forrest and he draws at Spurs and he's unbeaten for five games. And, you know, things are getting better. But maybe he goes to Liverpool and loses, he draws to Brighton, and then he loses to Forest and Spurs, and people are like, oh, he's got to go. And I think that's the sort of season we're going to have. It's going to be like, I don't know whether it'll ever go bad enough that he needs to get sacked, but I don't think it's ever going to get good enough that people are saying he's the guy.

37:52And I think that's just what we've got coming. And, you know, the only way you can really convince people to be patient is when there is a vision to be patient for. And I don't think that vision is coming any time soon, to be honest with you. On that point, I did read this morning that Thomas Tuchel is not seen as a potential replacement should they sack Ruben Amrim. He's got a contract till 2026, etc. I can't remember where that source came in from, but it It did get me thinking in relation to the managerial situation that there is clearly, whether you like it or not, there is clearly a huge desire to stick with Amrim for a long period of time.

38:40And that comes from, as we know, an ownership that made some very, very big calls and put their neck on the line for Reuben Amrim. You know, they gave Eric Ten Hag 300 million pounds and sacked him three months later. they've decided to change the whole structure of the football club, the whole formational vision of the football club on the pitch. And it's not going very well. I mean, he's the worst manager we've had in the Premier League era, I think somebody was saying the other day. I hear all about these win ratios and everything like that, but I actually think factually he's got the worst managerial statistics in Manchester United's Premier League history, like by a very, very long way, win ratio, etc.

39:22I don't know whether that's factual. I just read it the other day. So from Ineos' point of view, this is an absolute terrible appointment statistically. So they have to stick with it. Now, I do partially believe that it can get better. And I certainly hope that it does get better because I'm tired of change. But if we're speaking openly, like there is no obvious place to go next. Kevin says he's actually the worst manager since World War II stats wise. I'll take your word for it, Kevin. But I think the summer is interesting because what hasn't been mentioned for a while is we've seen Amirim talk about three years.

40:11We've seen Sir Jim Radcliffe talk about three years. I definitely think they're going to push to keep him till the end of the season, which I think is a good thing because I hate interims. Um, but it doesn't mean it will be a smooth ride to the summer. I mean, it could still be lots of losses, but his contract is basically up, um, in May, 2026, 2027. Yeah. May, 2027. So if we have another shit season and we hit the end of the season, they basically can't really go into the last year. I think there's an option for a further year if they won. I think they would make a change in the summer if it's a bad season, because it would be two years.

40:57At that point, I think it becomes quite interesting because there will be a lot of coaches that probably leave jobs next summer. Glasner will leave Palace in the summer. The Bournemouth coach is at the moment negotiating a new contract. Obviously, you've got people like Pochettino that might leave the US national team, Nagelsmann and Germany. So I think next summer's managerial market is a little bit like the midfielder summer market. The difference with the midfielder market is I think it's in our interest to try and get somebody in January, but I don't think we'll be able to get some of those managers.

41:37So as Savage says, I think it's in everybody's interest that Ruben Amrim survives the season. It's just in what way? Obviously, if there's progression and you finish, I would say sixth or higher, you would keep the manager. But if it's one of those rollercoaster seasons where it's win, lose, win, lose, win, lose, lose, lose, win, win, win, you know, you know and you finish eighth or ninth then you know maybe maybe they make the change then but certainly the managerial market will look a lot better in the summer than it than it than it's gonna look if you make a change now um my my personal stance is i just do not like interims um and i don't like changing the manager halfway through the season it can work we've seen it with Emery at Villa, it can work.

42:31But I think the whole Man United project just needs that reset button. If we're going to change it, the only way to change it is from the top. And if you changed it from the top, they might change a lot more. It's not fair to label me as Sir Jim, says Marlow. I'm the one with the dog sled analogy. Yeah, you are. Replacing one dog in January won't do us any good. Let's do a bigger rebuild in the summer. No, I disagree. I mean, the dog sled analogy worked really well yesterday, Marlo, but in a Man United football team analogy, if you give me Wharton or Anderson and I put them into the midfield

43:16with Casemiro out, I've got a better midfield. It's not perfect, but it's better. and that makes us a better team and they become settled quicker. And we've seen this happen with other teams as well. Like I think even Man United bringing Bruno in in January was a great idea because he was settled for the next season and he settled very, very quickly.

43:45The rest of the Premier League want you to smash Liverpool, says Tune On Tour. I mean, look, we'll talk about it in the week, but obviously it's a very, very difficult game. And I have said, I always find with these sorts of games that people write us off and say, you're definitely going to lose. We went to Liverpool with 10 hog and we were going to get beat 6 or 7-0. They had about 30 shots. We played shit, part of the bus football and we got a 0-0 draw. And also United tend to turn up for these sort of games as well. So I think it might be more pressure for Liverpool than it is for us. We're going to go into that game and everyone's going to say we're going to get beat.

44:28But Liverpool have lost their last three games. So I wouldn't be surprised if we came away with something in that game. I don't think it'd be pretty, but I wouldn't be surprised if we came away with something. Amorim wants Premier League experience, wanted Watkins and Martinez. Centre midfielder shortlist is Premier League, but quite green. On Amorim versus the board on recruitment, a lot could depend on how Sasko and Le Mens perform in the months ahead, says WGV. And on ownership, WGV says, I wonder if Glazers could start to take umbrage to Radcliffe's criticisms and have the club run to date.

44:59After all, they've been in charge throughout, could make them more amenable to a sale. And Nicky Booth, well, just to go back on that, I'm hoping tomorrow and Tuesday we might get some clarity one way or the other on the sale. Nicky Booth says, out of the three choices, who's the best at defending? um out of belabor wharton and um anderson who's the best at defending um well i had it up here didn't i um anderson is way more active in defensive actions um he's first then it's wharton then it's belabor On defensive Jules He is number one on that as well Belaber and Wharton are quite close in second Ariel Jules He's number one on that by a long way Interceptions Belaber's slightly ahead of him But they're all quite close Around four per game Fouls per 90 He's number one 1.44 Belaber 1.33 Wharton 0.7 I think there's this perception that Adam Wharton is a holding midfielder.

46:13I think Adam Wharton's more of an eight. I think he's a transitional player. Wharton's the busier defensive player. Definitely. Yeah. Emily Derry says settling in two midfielders at the same time would be very difficult in the pressure cooker that is United. Thank you very much for that. And just going back to what WG said as well. I think it's very, very clear that Amrim didn't want Lemens and Sesko. he wanted experience that's fine that's why we don't have a veto for the manager that's why it's a board thing and i think that's that is correct but um obviously that there are they are very different choices experienced striker experienced goalkeeper young striker young goalkeeper um managers don't always get what they want they don't sir alex ferguson didn't always get what he wanted um pep guardiola's probably got what he wanted a lot throughout his career if we're being completely honest, but Jurgen Klopp wouldn't.

47:08Arsene Wenger didn't. Ancelotti wouldn't have always got what he wanted as well. So it's not unusual. You work with what you've got. And I think as Rob Dawson said on Friday, look, maybe Amirim didn't get what he wanted all the time, but he was happy to get players in the positions he needed people. So he was happy to get Lemens and Sesko. He may have wanted different options, but he was happy to fill those holes, certainly, in the team. And, you know, there's a lot of holes to fill. Let's be clear. Fantastic show this morning. Really enjoyed it, actually. A traditional news show with a lot of good comments from you.

47:46So really good. And we didn't even touch about the sale, which is just great. Really enjoyed that. Plan for the rest of the day. It's Sunday. So I'm going to do a That's Football video and then eight o 'clock tonight. Marlo says, getting Bruno in January saved Ollie for a couple of seasons. It didn't do us any good in the long run. We must do bigger shifts with a clear plan. I don't think the current structure can do that. Well, I agree with you on that, Marlo. New owners reset button, certainly. Yeah, tune in at eight o 'clock tonight. Obviously, if anything else happens, I will go live. I'm not expecting it on a Sunday.

48:17And we've got a special little Sunday show for you tonight, which is a little bit more traditional eight o 'clock, posing questions, creating debate. Have a great day, everyone. Stay safe. And I'll speak to you on the next one. Take care.

48:33Thank you.