209: Amorim WANTS Bellingham! Martinez SHOCK Return?

0:01Hello, everybody. Good morning. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United news this Tuesday morning. I hope you're doing very well. Get your comments in as always. We've got lots to discuss. And we're going to be talking, first of all, about Jobe Bellingham, a story coming out of Germany this morning that Manchester United are ready to rescue Jobe Bellingham from his Dortmund nightmare. And they say nurses have it hard. We'll talk about that. Also, we've got some on Wharton. Some more from Wharton from Fabrizio Romano. Quite interesting. Also, Maynou around Romano as well.

0:35We'll talk about that. And a potentially shock injury return for Lissandro Martinez. We'll talk a little bit about some sale news as well. And very excited for our two o 'clock show today. We've got a really good journalist on who was talking about this last week. The sale, Amrim's future, etc. So that's something we'll talk to you about a little bit later as well. But I hope you're doing very well this morning. Let's fly straight into it. So this is coming out of Germany. It's coming out of build. Manchester United and Crystal Palace are paying close attention to Joe Bellingham's situation at Dortmund.

1:07Reports have suggested the 20-year-old is currently very unhappy with his playing time. The midfielder is yet to play a full 90 minutes in a match and has only played 167 minutes of football in the Bundesliga. So literally only signed from Sunderland in the summer when they got promoted into the championship. I think the deal was about£27 million. is this a deal you'd like to do, everybody? First of all, before I carry on, let me just do something I should have done before we started. Should we sign Jobe Bellingham? Yes or no? You can get involved in that. So look, United definitely have scouted him in the past.

1:45He does play in the midfield and he may well be an option that is available for a reasonable price in January, Potentially even alone, I suppose. But I suppose the big issue you have here is, well, I have two issues. I've said one before. I haven't seen enough of him. I genuinely haven't. I know about Jude Bellingham. I definitely knew a lot more about Jude Bellingham when he was playing for Birmingham City when he was 16. But when it comes to Job Bellingham, I really didn't take a lot of notice of him at Sunderland. I don't know how good he was at Sunderland. I don't know whether he was Sunderland's best player.

2:24And I don't really know much about him other than he's Jude Bellingham's brother. And he's obviously talented if he's going from Sunderland to Dortmund with 25 million quid. So I can't sit here and go, do this deal. It's great. I mean, in essence, the story that's been sold that he is essentially Borussia Dortmund's Kobi Meynou. Like 167 minutes is not very good. and as we know, Maynou's not getting minutes of Manchester United. I mean, what I'm trying to say is it would be absolutely pointless in my opinion and give yours, it'd be pointless buying Joe Bellingham if Ruben Amrim's not saying get me Joe Bellingham.

3:03There's no point because look at what's happening with Maynou. If the club think it's a good idea to buy Bellingham and Amrim's not that keen, you just end up with another, it'd be sat on the bench again at Man United. So the only way this deal works for me is if Ruben Amrim is knocking on the door of Wilcox and Barada saying, get me Joe Bellingham. I think he's perfect for my system. Because if he's not, it's out of the frying pan and into the fire, isn't it? You know, he's going to walk into the same situation. I also think that, you know, I know people in the game and there is a lot of admiration for the way the Bellinghams have been managed, specifically by their family and their dad.

3:42And everybody in the industry speaks really, really well of them. So I'm not going to, having not met any of them, I'm not going to go, oh, they're toxic, this, that and the other, because I've never heard that. In fact, quite the contrary. But what I would say is, is that if you've got a player that's only been at Dortmund for three months and they're moaning about game time, can you imagine how that might be with Manchester United? Can you imagine what that would be at Manchester United, that situation? so I don't have a problem with somebody saying I'm not getting enough game time I'm not happy but it's probably not the problem Man United want to bring in and can I just remind people Dortmund are one of the best teams in Europe at the moment they've not lost the game they're unbeaten in the Bundesliga and they're unbeaten in the Champions League they haven't lost a game so you know in Maynus situation I think you can look at Man United and go Bruno's playing crap in the midfield.

4:42We're 10th in the league. We're out the Carabao Cup, although I did play in that. I should be playing for Man United. For Joe Bellingham, a 20-year-old who, you know, Dortmund are a developer of talent, but, you know, Adi Amy hasn't always started every bloody game. You know, not every player always starts every game at Dortmund. It's a brilliant place to be. And apparently he's not happy three months into the journey, but the team is unbeaten. Like, you know, there is that whole sort of, it's not like Dortmund are 10th in the league and not playing well. So I think there's a bit of a red flag there as to, well, for me, I don't know how good he is.

5:17And secondly, it doesn't sound like a good fit. And I'm not criticising Joe Bellingham or his complaint, but it's not what Man United need comparable to what we were talking about on the show last night when we were talking about Rashford's talk of an inconsistent environment. I think that reflects badly on the player, but it also reflects badly on the club. I don't think a 20-year-old Jobe Bellingham is what Man United are looking for at this moment in time. I don't think it's a good fit, in my opinion. Doesn't mean he's not going to be a good player. But as I said last night, there's the right sort of players to bring into this environment.

5:50Basically, at Man United, you've got to do this. You've got to roll your sleeves up. You've got to not moan. You've got to fight. You've got to be consistent. And I I don't think nurturing players or players that might not be happy at a lack of game time. I don't think that might that necessarily is what Manchester United should be looking at, in my opinion. In my opinion, 60 percent of you are saying no. 40 percent of you are saying yes. The flip side of that coin, of course, is we need a midfielder. And in the quest for a midfielder, he might be not a bad option in January. He certainly be better than nothing.

6:27if you're saying to me it's joe bellingham or nobody let's take joe bellingham he's a midfielder of course but it's that it's that it's that ladder really isn't it do you want to go for the signing that ticks all the boxes or do you want to go for the signing that's better than nothing and and obviously i do get that as well uh wacky mole says hard no kid has double the ego and half the skill and dane holden says morning mark from a sunny mallorca joe would cost too much and i don't think he's the type of player we need. And Maliki says, what are your thoughts on Parrish's comments on Wharton to United?

7:00I think we spoke about them a couple of days ago, Maliki, unless it's something new. You might just be getting regurgitated comments because he actually did the interview at the weekend where he basically said that, you know, I'm not surprised that a club like Manchester United wants Wharton and Wharton may well want to go and play Champions League football at some point, but he might get to play that with us. And also he's on a very long contract. So I didn't really see a massive amount of encouragement. I thought what Fabrizio said, which we'll bring in in a minute, was quite interesting. Not starting for Dortmund, where supposedly talent thrives, isn't good.

7:34If his name was Job Dickinson, we wouldn't even look twice, says Nick P. Wharton is Premier League proven. That's more attractive to me, says Ray Simpson. And Mark, to all the doubters, when the butcher is back, our shape will change again. I do think he is important to Amrim's style of play, says Martin Saunders. And Ray Simpson says, sure, Jobe meant to have better potential than Jude. And think how many shirts we'll sell. But seriously, if he's a centre midfielder, I'd take him with Stilla. This is Kiel Robinson. Would you take him on loan to Stretford Signal? We need a midfielder. I mean, of course I would take him on loan.

8:08All I'm saying is, is I don't really know how good he is. And secondly, I think the reason he's leaving Dortmund is because he's not getting game time. Putting him into a Man United situation, you know he's clearly a player that's quite vocal about his development I don't think Man United need players like that I don't I don't think he's only leaving Dortmund if he leaves Dortmund because he's not getting minutes he's only been there three months that's impatience whether it's good impatience or bad impatience that is impatience so if he comes into Manchester United we're not Dortmund we're not unbeaten we're not a team that's going to fight for the title and we're not a team in the Champions League.

8:47Imagine how quickly he might get impatient at our football club. And I don't think we need those types of personalities at United. I really don't. I think you need people like Mbermo, who is being chased by Newcastle and Arsenal in the Champions League, but says my dream is Man United. I think we need those types of players. But that's just my opinion for what it's worth. I just want to talk about Martinez just while it's being mentioned, because I did read this last night. I meant to bring it into the show last night, but last night's show sort of ran away with itself and was very, very good.

9:19So Simon Jones in the mail reported yesterday that Lissandro Martinez is stepping up to full training with the first team this week and is eyeing the fixtures with Brighton and Nottingham Forest as targets for his return. So this is really interesting because we've always been well informed around injuries and the likelihood of team selections, etc. And I do agree with the comment from, who was it? Martin Saunders that the Butcher will be, I'm not talking about Gannaccio coming back. That's Pat Butcher. I'm talking about the Butcher, Martinez. He, back in a Manchester United side, will be massively transformative because he already knows.

10:10He already knows how to Sorry, I've got a bit of a cut in my mouth And it's just irritating me a little bit He already knows how to step into a midfield two When he's playing in a centre-back two Like Martinez could step into the I mean, it's incredible Let's just take a trip down memory lane When we talk about Ten Hag We used to play a back four and we used to talk about Martinez stepping into the midfield with two centre-backs. We play with three centre-backs. He's 100 % going to step into the midfield. And this is the thing about Martinez. When we played a back four, we wanted him to step into the midfield, which is risky in a back four, but that was part of our plan.

10:57So in a three, he'll definitely be stepping into the midfield. And I think he's the best centre-back at doing it. 100 % so Martinez if he can stay fit will be very very potentially transformative to the way that Amrim wants to play he's also very good in that position as well you know he's only five foot eight he's got low center of gravity tenacious good passing left-footed of course so Martinez's return is one that I think can be really really positive for the team absolutely as Martin Saunders said, and I think most of us are very, very excited about that. But the question is, when will he be back and how will he be back?

11:39And as Bolva says, Martinez comes with crutches. I'm not going to sit here and lie. I personally think that Martinez targeting Brighton and Forest as a return date is incredibly premature from what I got told on Sunday. We play Brighton a week on Saturday. Like it's literally 10 days away. He ain't playing in that game. He's just not playing in that game. And I don't think we'll put him on the bench for that game. This week is his first contact training in months. Months. So I think that, you know, I want Martinez back And the balance of Martinez is this And it's an unpopular opinion But the balance with Martinez is this Martin Saunders is absolutely correct And we all know this Martinez back in our back three makes us a better team Because he steps into the midfield That helps If you're going to play Casemiro and Bruno It helps them Because somebody steps in there and helps them because they're not very good at it.

12:52It helps us play the ball forward. It helps us be more attacking with a back five. So Martinez is massively important to our season. I don't care if you're telling me you want to be back for Brighton or Forest. You're not coming back to Everton. I'm just not fucking about. I'm sorry. I know people always want, we need him back, we need him back, we need him back. I want him back for the rest of the season. I don't want him back for a couple of games and then there's a secondary injury to a hamstring or something like that. So for me, if you're only back in contact training this week, you can do contact training for at least two or three weeks before I consider you.

13:32I'm not rushing you back into Brighton or Forest. Like these games are a week and a half away and two and a half weeks away. I'm sorry it's not happening. And by the time it comes round to the Spurs game, maybe you're on the bench. But you're not going on international duty with Argentina in November. you're not getting back with us to go to that we're managing this you've had two major injuries and on my head be it but you're not coming back quick because I need you back for the next two years I don't need you back for you know a couple of games so I think that the club will definitely take that choice and I think probably what you've got here is the player is so eager and I love this I love this.

14:14This is great. This is where management comes into it. The player is desperate to get back and is probably targeting Brighton and Forest. But the club and the manager need to be going, that's great. That's absolutely great. Let's see what happens. But in the back of their head, they've got to be, no, you're not coming back until at least Spurs and probably Everton after the international break because we want you back properly. And OK, you know, match fitness is very, very important. But two, three, four weeks of really hard contact training with the team. It's going to be great for him. But look, you know, that might not be a popular opinion, but I just think it's such an...

14:56He will be like a new signing. And I hate saying that about players that come back from injury, but he will be like a new signing because we haven't had this for so long. I mean, I can't even remember. I can't remember him playing that much. I mean, when did he come back from the foot injury? And then when did he get the knee injury? Was it like two months we had him for? It's, yeah, we need him back and we need him back properly. And also the thing about Lissandro Martinez is, I don't know why I've searched. Oh God, you know what? I've got a couple of browsers on. I've just had a look at, I was just going to type it in.

15:30Why does Dumbledore become progressively horrible? I've literally searched that this morning. Twat. Goldbridge Google searches would make for a good book. There's none of that stuff going on. Lissandro Martinez. No, I do search. I'm quite inquisitive. So he's 27 and he's going to be 28 in January. I am watching the Harry Potter films with Seb at the moment. So, you know. And I've noticed Dumbledore starts off very nice and gets progressively more horrible. So Lissandro Martinez is 27 and he'll be 28 in January. One more bad injury. You know what? Let's call it how it is. He's had two bad injuries.

16:15If he has another bad injury, you can almost say we're into Phil Jones territory.

16:24because at 28, when you've missed most of your mid-20s through injury, I think it becomes a big problem. I mean, I'm just having a look here.

16:35Wasn't particularly... I mean, to be fair, he'd had a few injuries at Ajax, but predominantly his big problems have been with Manchester United. 22-23, April 23 to June 23, he had the metatarsal fracture. Then he came back in September 23 and was out till January 24 with a foot injury. And then it says he came back in February 24 and was out with a knee injury until the end of March 24. Then he came back and had a calf strain from the 2nd of April 24 to the start of May 24. And then he did his cruciate this year. He's had a few injuries. I didn't realise he had the knee injury in February 24. The foot injury is a little bit longer.

17:43So he's had a few injury problems. No real issues at Ajax, but at Man United, he's had a few issues since the metatarsal injury in April 23. So he's had two years, nearly two and a half years of quite consistent injuries. I didn't realise that. I genuinely thought that the metatarsal injury was a lot closer to the knee injury. I didn't realise he did the metatarsal in April 23 So he's had metatarsal Which basically kept him out for nearly a year Then he did a knee for a month Then he did a calf for a month Then he had a back problem Which was only three days And then he did the cruciate ligament So he's had two and a half years of injuries And he's 27 So since 25 he's basically been injured

18:41that's not good like you know and this goes back to what I mean about managing him back yes we all want we all want the butcher back but he's basically been injured since he was 25 if he gets one more bad injury I think you're in the I think sadly you're in the you're in the circumstances of saying you know we need to move on we need to bring somebody else in Sam Byrne says hi Mark hope you're well it's my birthday please can I have a shout out no No, no, you can't. You can't. No, you can. Shout out, Sam. Happy birthday. Hope you have a good one. Tom Grant says, Morning, everyone. If we sign Joe Bellingham, then I don't want him treated like a second-rate menu.

19:19It's early, but who starts this weekend? Lamens. Tom, I can absolutely tell you 100%. I do not understand this. In fact, it makes me get mad. It gets me so mad. I cannot understand why. And I might get sat down on this, but I find it one of the most... But you know what? I've been doing this for a very long time. Speak to people about Man United for hours a day and very rarely get bored. Very rarely get bored. But over the last two weeks, the one topic of conversation that bores the shit out of me is, do you think Le Méns will start against Liverpool? Because I'm sort of like, why? Why are you asking this question?

20:02On what planet is he not at our number one now? Like, why would he not start against Liverpool? Like, he literally was one of the best players against Sunderland Kept a clean sheet Did really well On what planet is Le Mendes' place under jeopardy? I mean, Amren may as well sack himself if he drops Le Mendes I don't even think it's a conversation You know, when we do the preview on Thursday I'm not going to be there going Oh, let's sit down for 20 minutes It's all let's talk through. He's starting. I don't know why people are asking about it. But look, I'm not I'm not taking the piss, Tom. You're not.

20:43You're one of many. A lot of people are asking this question. I hope it's just anxiety because for me, 100 percent starting. 100 percent. Tom Yarksley says, impatient players are more likely to make mistakes, in my opinion. Have a good day and evening. Thank you very much, Tom. You too as well, sir. Do we need more development players? No, I think we need more Cunyas, more Embermos, more proven players. That doesn't mean they've got to be 25. I think people like Adam Wharton is Premier League proven. Elliot Anderson is Premier League proven. You know, they're both, what, 22? So, you know, I'd take those players.

21:22Would you be OK if getting Jobe meant no Wharton? No, no, Jacob. And I want to talk about that next. Actually, we'll talk about that next. So this is what? Oh, shit. I've just opened up Skype. I'm having a bad morning this morning when it comes to tech. Techno notice. Right. This is. I want to come back to that in a moment. Where was it? OK. Crystal Palace. This is from Fabrizio Romano. United are among the clubs that appreciate Adam Wharton, but nothing has been decided internally. There is not yet any question of an offer. Palace has no intention of negotiating this January. Maynou is trying his best, working hard and creating no problems.

22:03Ruben Amrim wants him to stay, but his story could pick up again if he's not playing. Several clubs from England, Spain and Italy are interested in a loan on Maynou. And Man United, in relation to Wharton, no intention on negotiating with other clubs during the season from Crystal Palace. United appreciate him as well as other teams, but there are no bids or numbers being discussed. I think this, to be honest with you, I don't know whether it was Double D or Patrick Lynch or Nick P. It was one of the three. They spoke about this on the Saturday night show. We're not going to sign anyone in January.

22:43I demand that we buy somebody in January, but I agree we probably won't based on recent evidence and it is the middle of October and things can change but we messed up in the summer by not signing a midfielder to be sat here in the middle of October not negotiating not discussing not making bids for January that's very very worrying that's very very worrying because that's a club that's you you know, clueless again. We clearly think we've got enough. You know, the rumours coming out that Sir Jim Radcliffe thinks this is a top four squad. Well, you're not going to write checks in January, are you?

23:28If you're that deluded, you're not going to write checks in January. Crystal Palace aren't going to do a deal in January. I would agree with that. It's very, very unlikely that Nottingham Forest will do a deal in January for Elliot Anderson. So those two players are probably summer signings And there's a big reason for that as well. The big reason would be from a Crystal Palace and Nottingham Forest point of view is that if you sell them in January, how do you replace them in January? And also they're both in Europe and who knows what they'll be doing in the Premier League, but they're both in Europe and they will both want to win those tournaments.

24:05Crystal Palace, very unfortunate to be in the Conference League, having qualified for the Europa League, but they'll want to win the Conference League so they can be in the Europa League. and Nottingham Forest don't want to win the Europa League so they can be in the Champions League. So they're not going to weaken themselves to help out Manchester United. On top of that, the second reason why they won't do a deal in January is in the summer, more people will have money. If you agree to sell Wharton in January, there might be a Tottenham or a Manchester United saying, we'll give you£60 million.

24:38But if you wait until the summer, there'll be a load of clubs who know what their finances are because they're in the Champions League that will go, yeah, we'll give you 65. Yeah, we'll give you 70. We'll give you 75. So there will be no rush from Crystal Palace to sell Wharton in January. That won't happen. And United won't even be wanting to do it anyway. They'll hide behind that. Oh, we can't do a deal in January. Well, why don't you do one in the summer then, you useless prats? So, yeah, I think with Wharton, it's a good idea. But there's so many permutations with it. We messed up. I think there are people out there that don't want to acknowledge it.

25:14The vast majority do. We messed up in the summer. And this is why I refuse to look forward to the January transfer window or next summer, because there's just too many pitfalls before we talk about signing a midfielder. Like we've messed up. We didn't get one in the summer. We should have got one. They're trying to sweep it under the carpet and it will come and bite us multiple times this season. And we won't be solving this problem till the summer. and when you look at the season ahead, starting with Sunday, there are going to be multiple games against multiple midfielders that on paper are better than ours and we're going to have to exceed expectation.

25:48Now, we have done it. We did it at home against Arsenal. You know, they've got a very good midfield and we played well. We did it against Villa on the last game of the season. They've got a better midfielder than us and we won the game. But we're going to have to do that this season. We're going to have to go to Spurs and Liverpool and Newcastle and Man City and we're going to have to play all these teams and we're going to have to consistently over-exceed. It can happen. Casemiro and Bruno can win games against teams with better midfields, but it's hard because they're going to have to exceed expectation to do it because the club messed up in the summer.

26:23Solving the midfield in January, there will be opportunities. I still personally feel that the club are headstrong on their labour. I think that's what they're looking at. We are, for good or for bad, Manchester United are a very stubborn football club. It's why they don't take any notice of anybody else other than what they say. They're very arrogant. They're very stubborn. It's childish the way that club is run, if I'm being honest. And they don't want to listen. That leads to being quite predictable. and the fact that we spoke to Belaber, negotiated with Belaber and he's still at Brighton, I wouldn't move away from that.

27:11I think that's where we're going to go. Again, for good or for bad, I think Belaber will be the deal that we go with because it's clearly a player that Amrim wants and Man United have spoken to him. So they'll probably look at Wharton and go, we probably can't get him they'll probably look at Anderson and go we probably can't get him they'd probably look at someone like Stiller and go is it a risk from the Bundesliga I think we'll go for Belaber I think that's where we're going to go um in my opinion but I don't necessarily think it can happen in January I think it will be a a summer move um and look I think I think Belaber is less of a risk than Bellingham of course but I still I still look standing on the Hill on my own or with a load of you with me.

28:02I don't care. It's an opinion. I'm worried about Belaber. I think that it's very interesting that we're playing Brighton in a couple of weeks because I don't think he'll play in that game. I don't think you can pick him in that game. He's been so bad. Why would you pick him against the team that he's down tools for, really? Whether he's down tools because of injury, whether he's down tools because of trauma, whatever. I don't want to get into technicalities. He's not playing well. Understandable, justifiable or not, he's not playing well. And again, I look at what Rashford said. I look at what Gary Neville said.

28:38I look at what Roy Keane said, what we discussed with Joe Bellingham. I can't be a hypocrite. I worry about players that when things don't go their way, they stop playing well. I worry about that because I've had 10 years of it at United. So I worry about belabor because i'm like fantastic talent why are you playing so shit for two months it worries me it worries me going for a player like that because all right it might come to man united and be really happy for two years but you can guarantee at man united there will be times where things don't go well what happens then and it worries me um and i don't blame the player if we buy the player i like him, I'll back him.

29:21But if he flops, I will blame the club because the warning signs are there and we have to be analysing our players better than we have over the last 10 years. As I said, for me, statistically, I like Anderson, but I don't do stats. To the eye, I like Wharton as a midfielder. I do like Stilla. There's a bit of a risk there. I want to see Belaber play well. He's got to get back playing well in a Brighton shirt to come to Man United. I wouldn't sign Belaber at the moment. I need to see him bounce back in a Brighton shirt before we commit. If he goes and starts playing well for Brighton again, I'm happy.

30:05But we can't move on him until he shows the mental fortitude to get his head right in a Brightonshire. I wouldn't go anywhere near him if his form doesn't pick up at Brighton. If it does, that's a different conversation. Vagabond says, our failure is that after Sir Alex Ferguson, our expectations didn't grow. Wharton and Belay, but otherwise the board should get the brunt of our anger, says Vag. Vag, Abond. Am I the only one who thinks we'll revisit Conor Gallagher? I mean, that's not a bad... I mean, that's a great comment. Would I go for Conor Gallagher in January? Abso-bloody-lutely, yes. Yes, I would.

30:44I don't know what his game time's like for Atletico. I mean, I'm doing Arsenal against Atletico on Wednesday on That's Football next week for the Champions League. So let's see if he's involved. But absolutely, that's not a signing. That's a loan deal. And it's a good loan deal. And you're absolutely right. Like, look at what we did with Sibica. I liked that signing. I liked the signing of Sibica. We sent him back. It didn't work out. But if it worked out, it could have been a really good signing. So I would do that. Chuck says, what if we approach Palace to buy Wharton in January, offer Kobe on loan, Kobe on loan.

31:22If Kobe plays well, we can keep or sell him to them. We win. Well, you could do that with Belaber as well.

31:34Yeah, you could do that with Belaber as well. just on the sale by the way somebody said anything on the sale we've got chris wheeler on at two o 'clock with beth um talking about what's going on with amram future what's going on potentially with this sale he he did an article on it on i think thursday night about the uae and everything like that so we've got chris wheeler on at two o 'clock talking everything about that um so yeah keep an eye out for that at two robinson crusoe says i agree the youth has been affected by inconsistent management and coaching however not at least working hard is not is not excused uh best youth success in the last five years is a langa says robinson crusoe i i personally think it will get better i think there's some tremendous talent in the man united youth setup and a lot of good work's been done there but i think over the last 10 years our youth development hasn't actually been that good um you know greenwood could have been something Rashford could have been something Alanga needed to go Ganacho I don't even class as youth really um um yeah our youth development needs to be better and I don't know what's happened with our youth you sort of look at people like Brandon Williams as well what's happened to him um there's some there's some there's there's a there's a there's been a mentality issue in the youth as well.

33:00I don't know what it is. I don't know whether there's a bit of a I've made it before I've made it mentality. I think we've seen that with some of the players coming through.

33:12I'm hoping that's going to change. We need players coming through that are hungry, that are hungry every bloody day until they're 25. Just because you're trained with the first team, you've not made it. Just because you get an appearance for the first team, you've not made it. And I think there's been a recurring theme, whether on the field or off the field, the youth players coming through have missed the opportunity, potentially because of an I've made it attitude. Ganacho definitely gave off those vibes. You look at what's been going on off the field with certain players, you know, what are you doing out doing stupid things in cars and, you know, pubs and clubs and stuff like that?

33:57Why are you doing that? You're not even an established first team Man United player and you're fucking about. Like, I think that needs to change at United. Like, you're a professional footballer, behave like it. You're at Manchester United, work hard every fucking day. You shouldn't be doing anything until you're at least 25 about I've made it. And I think we've had some good players, but they've all fell by the wayside for different reasons. And we need the right mentality. And I think there are some players coming through with that mentality. And I hope that it's changed because I definitely think there was a culture where United young players were being, you know, seen regularly doing the wrong things on and off the pitch.

34:42But there are some really encouraging signs coming through. You know, there's a number of players who are 16, 17, 15 who are hungry, really hungry to be successful. And that hopefully will be the culture going forward because we'll benefit from that. You look at Arsenal. Seth says, against Liverpool, Le Mendes, Yoro, De Ligt, Martinez slash Shaw. Martinez ain't playing against Liverpool, Seth. Dorgo, Ahmad, Bruno, Agate, Kunia, Embermo, Sesko. What are your thoughts on that, Mark? You lost me at putting Martinez in the team. I can't take anybody seriously that's putting Martinez in the team against Liverpool.

35:23But, you know, I like a lot of it. I mean, just talking about the Liverpool game.

35:29A lot of people exposing the fact that Michael Oliver is the referee. for this game at the weekend. My honest thoughts on that? Look, I don't use referees as an excuse. Michael Oliver is a Premier League referee. At some point, he's going to referee our games. I think he's made bad decisions against other clubs as well. Maybe he makes a bad decision against Liverpool. Maybe he makes a bad decision against us. honestly I don't rate referees I'm sure if you watch That's Football you'll know I've done a video this week about Anthony Taylor's interview and I think it's a load of crap but I'm not really you know I don't rate Michael Oliver I think he's a crap referee I think Anthony Taylor is I think a lot of them are crap but I'm not gonna sit here and go you know that's an excuse to lose the game if we lose the game because of a dodgy decision then obviously you We're not going to be very happy.

36:33But look, I look at the Brentford game. We're losing 2-1. Nathan Collins should get sent off with, what, 20, 25 minutes to go? He should have been sent off. Bruno can still miss the penalty. We're still 2-1 down. But we're playing against 10 men for nearly half an hour. Probably don't lose that game. I've not heard any United fans, myself included, moan about that. It was a shocking decision, but I tell you what, referee decisions only really matter if you feel there's an injustice in your performance. We deserve to lose to Brentford, even though we wouldn't have lost to Brentford if the referee had sent off Nathan Collins.

37:17I think we would have got at least a point. But across the game, Brentford were better than us. So I don't really look at it. Look, Michael Oliver might screw us over on Sunday. He might do. But realistically, if we don't play well, what does it matter? If we play well and Michael Oliver screws us over, then, you know, there will be a hurricane after that game. If we play badly and he screws us over, what's really the problem? And I think until we're playing well, I can't really give a shit about referees. That's my honest opinion on it. Not every youth success is Saka or Jamal. And Manieri now depth, second choice, control that hunger, says Robinson Crusoe.

38:01Chip says, I've watched Belaber many games this season. He has a bit of a Rashford type, can't be bothered aura around him at the moment. Talented, but looks shut off. I haven't seen him play. I can't think if I've watched Brighton this season. I feel like I have watched Brighton this season because Sunderland was the last team I hadn't watched in the Premier League. But I can't honestly comment on him. Suffice to say, I was very excited when we went for him in the summer. I think he's a very, very, very exciting player. And up until this season, I was, you know, let's try and get him. But I've got to say, his performances this season have been shocking.

38:43I don't know who is surrounding him. I don't know who is advising him. because, trust me, as United fans, we're not blind to those types of attitudes. Like, mate, get your act together. Get on with it. Downing tools, not playing well, is not going to have United fans going, oh, look at him. He wants to come to us so much he won't even play well for Brighton. It's a red flag. Anthony went on strike at Ajax and ended up on strike at United. These traits have a bad way of echoing through a player's career. Get your head down. Play well for Brighton. Come to Man United. That's all he's got to do. Seeing Yildiz from Juve news a lot is true.

39:25Is it true, Mark? Says Seth. No, not heard anything about you. We've been linked to Yildiz for about 18 months. We were linked to him before the summer. I've heard absolutely nothing about us going for him. And also, he's an attacking midfielder. So I don't see us going anywhere near that. It's not a priority. Our failure is that after Sir Alex Ferg had done that one from Vagabond as well. OK, this is what Fabrizio had to say about Menuh, by the way. Trying his best, working hard, not creating any problems. Amrim wants him to stay, but his story could pick up in January as there are several clubs wanting a loan.

40:03I mean, look, this story in many ways is one of repetition. It's a story that no one can really find an angle on. Amrim wants him to stay. Amrin wants him to stay because Amrin wants options in the midfield Maynou is working hard but he's not getting game time and in January if he's still not getting game time he's going to ask to go again but nobody can create the story they want from this because unfortunately it's just one of those stories you know it's like having somebody at work who works really really hard but you never promote them and they come to your office and go I like it here I've worked really really hard but you won't promote me.

40:44You've promoted someone else. And then the boss goes, yeah, I do really like you. You're a really hard worker but at that level, I don't think you are management material so I won't promote you but I don't want you to go anywhere. You're a very valuable member of my team. And I think that's what's happening with Maynou. Amrim clearly wants to keep him but doesn't value him as a starter but doesn't want him to go because if anything goes wrong in the midfield, he values Maynou as somebody that can step in and he probably looks at Maynou and goes, I think I can develop you over the next 18 months into a really important player.

41:16But Maynou wants it now. And I understand the Amarin position, by the way, because Rebun Amarin has only been there for coming up for a year and has never used Maynou as a starter. He's always looked at Maynou, even last season, as somebody that's not ready. So in his eyes, you're 20. I do like you, but not enough to start you. You need to do this and this and this and listen to me, and then you will be in the team. But from Manu's point of view, 18 months ago, I was playing in a Euros final for England and now on the bench for a Man United side that finished 15th. Like this is a drop off. The mindsets don't match up.

41:59Amirim likes the player and wants to build him. Amirim, sorry, Manu doesn't want to be built because he feels he's ready now. That's never going to work. And I think what people are trying to do is find the villain. Oh, Meinu's a villain because he wants to leave and he won't be patient. We've just explained why he won't be patient. Oh, Amrim's the villain because he won't pick Meinu. But he doesn't have to pick Meinu. The fan perspective is we want Meinu to stay and we want him to start. So you've got three different opinions there. We want him to stay and start. Meinu wants to stay, but doesn't want to be on the bench, so wants to go.

42:37And Amrim wants him to stay, but wants him to be patient. There is a recurring theme there. Everybody wants him to stay. We want him to start. Manu wants to start. Amrim doesn't feel he's ready to start and he needs to be patient. So look, we've got three months. Well, we've got two and a half months. The question is, by the time we hit the January 1st transfer window, will Amrim be persuaded enough to be starting Manu? in the team. If he is, everything's solved. If he isn't, then we'll be back where we are. But I understand why Amrim doesn't want him to go. But my stance is this. If I'm Mainu and I knock on the door in January and I've not been starting games for the last four months, and I say to Amrim, are you starting me for the last five months of the season?

43:32And he goes, no, I go, I'm not sitting here on the fucking bench being a number for your squad. Go and buy somebody else and let me go. Well, the club won't give me any money. Well, mate, fuck off. Like, that's just not fair. Like, you can't, you know, you can't just keep me as one of the numbers. I want to play and you won't play me. So let me go. Well, I can't let you go because they won't buy me a midfielder. And that might be the frustration that happens in January. The ideal scenario is, is that he gets given opportunity. Maynou will play because of the AFCON, no Mbremo and no Ahmad, says Yusuf.

44:10And yet straight away, I can pick a team without Maynou in it when the AFCON comes. Easily. Easily. Kunyur and Mount, Sesko up front, Bruno and Casemiro.

44:25Xerxian Kunyur, Xerxian Mount. i still don't need to use main uh just because of the afcon um if bruno was going to the afcon maybe maybe you'd get a chance but i can still see a situation i also don't think the um the afcon is going to be as impactful as people think it is because i think the afcon it's a good question actually get rid of dumbledore afcon dates Sunday the 21st to Sunday the 18th of Jan So

45:05Now remember, they will only go the days before the tournament So

45:15I think the last game for Ahmad and Mbamo and Masraoui will be the 13th of December against Bournemouth. Villa away, Newcastle at home, Wolves at home, that's three. Leeds away, Burnley away and potentially Manchester. They could miss six games and the FA Cup. They could miss seven games, which is quite a significant amount of games, actually. we've got a bit of we will talk about it a little bit more in the future but we've got a little bit of a problem when the AFCon comes along because Mazraoui and Bermot and Ahmad are considerable players to miss out on for six Premier League games they are they really are Manu another young player who think they've made it to 7-6-7 but I understand that I do understand that.

46:20I understand why as Meynou, you might think you've made it. You played in a Euros World Cup, a Euros final for England. You were a breakthrough player under Ten Hag. The problem, Meynou's biggest problem is Reuben Amrim. And as somebody that backs Amrim like we do, you can still see the problem. Eric Ten Hag would never have stopped picking Meynou. But Amrim doesn't rate Meynou. And that's the worst thing that's happened to him is that Amrim so far has not valued him, whereas Ten Hag did. It's simple as that. I've watched Belaber, done that one from Chip, done that one from Seth, done that one from Vagabond.

47:06When's the Christmas jumper out? I need to chase it. I mean, I've got mine upstairs. It's going to be hung up behind me very, very soon. Are you hanging up your Christmas jumper on the wall? Yes. Funny story, actually. We got the new car a few weeks ago and I took it out for a drive with Seb in it and he was messing around with the radio and he went, look what I found. Magic Christmas. I was like, mate, it's the start of October. What's going on? There is a radio station in the UK that is called Magic Christmas and they play Christmas. Well, I'm driving along so I couldn't really do anything about it.

47:38We had to listen to three Christmas songs driving along. It's weird. I don't know whether you've ever done this. It's weird. Listening to Christmas songs when it's not Christmas is really weird. It's great when it's Christmas, but it's really, really weird. I thought I'd just share you that. Zlazy says, the biggest problem about the AFCON is that Embermo, Abad and Masrawi all play on our right side, leaving us with the low and... That's what I mean. I think the AFCON does cause us a problem. I was speaking to somebody this morning actually And they were asking me They're a Wolves fan And they were asking me about United And I said look In many ways the next four games for United are really good Because there's two games you'd expect to win And there's probably two games that are very difficult I think Spurs away and Liverpool away are difficult Brighton at home and Forest away You'd expect to win Expect to win the international break the story of the sale a sort of if you're Amorim it's probably the nicest two weeks he's had in ages but it's all coming back it's all coming back and you know I look at the fixtures of United and I just don't I don't see a period where it gets better and let he's got it he's got it's just got to keep winning hasn't he because even after the international break, Everton at home, okay, I'd expect to win.

49:10Palace away, it's going to be difficult. West Ham at home, expect to win. Wolves away, I'd expect to win, but will be difficult. Bournemouth at home, again, difficult. Villa away, and now you're into AFCON territory, aren't you? So Villa away, difficult, but you haven't got Embermo, Ahmad and Masraoui Newcastle at home difficult without those players Wolves at home you'd expect to win Leeds away will be very challenging Burnley away again expect to win but you know the Premier League is a very challenging league anyway and I just think this season I walked into this season very eyes open I know there's going to be games where I'm in the chat and people are screaming Amrim out.

49:59And I know there's going to be games where we win and people are going to be screaming Amrim in. I don't think we're going to get any consistency this season, which is not surprising because it's the one word that United cannot buy. I don't think it matters which side of the fence you sit on. Amrim in, Amrim out, Ineos in, Ineos out. I think you will have weekends where you're justified and you'll have weekends where you're not. And I just think this whole season is going to be a roller coaster. I don't see any period where I'm going to go, breathe. We're going to be fine for a couple of months.

50:33I just don't. I think every game has the potential to be a win or a loss. Even this weekend, one of the hardest games of the season at Anfield, I can see us getting a point. I mean, there's a slim, slim chance we could get a win, but I can see us getting a point. But we could also get hammered. So if we can go to Anfield and I can see a result, I can see a result at Newcastle I can see a result at the Emirates But I cannot, you know, it's going to help It's going to be hard Remember when Arnana missed one United game during the AFCON At least we haven't got him Yeah Fraser says, I said sign Job two weeks ago and you laughed at me I'm still laughing at you now

51:16Ha, ha, ha I'm still laughing now I don't want to sign Job Bellingham I think it's the wrong fit at the wrong time Go back to the first few minutes I might be wrong on that I've been wrong on other things but that's my stance I still think it's a bad bad choice for United to go for a player that's unsettled at a better club who's unbeaten because he's not getting minutes I don't think that's the right profile of player for United to go at the moment for thanks everyone for watching take care don't miss two o 'clock we've got Chris Wheeler on the show with Beth I'm live with you I think I'm live a little bit earlier tonight I think it's a seven o 'clock show tonight because I'm doing the England game on That's Football.

51:55So it's probably seven o 'clock. But yeah, tune in, get involved, take care. Have a great day. I'll speak to you all in a bit.