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1:04Hi, everybody. Good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge, and this is your latest Manchester United news and transfer news. As I scream, please don't. We're talking about Jadon Sancho. We're talking about Casemiro. We're going to be starting off, actually, with a very big update from David Ornstein around Carlos Balaba. Also got a few bits coming in from players on international duty, Delit's been doing an interview as well and your new normal reaction and stuff. Apologies for being a bit late. I've had a haircut. That was a mistake because the UK cannot deal with rain.

1:38They just can't deal with it. People slow down. People behave like twats and the traffic becomes gridlocked. I mean, it's rain. It's just wet. It doesn't, it's not ice. It's not bloody, you know, it's not ice. It doesn't spin you off the road just because you get a bit of wet on the floor. That's what grips on tires are for. You don't need to slow down to 10 miles an hour and slam your bloody brakes on for a bit of rain. Bloody idiots. Idiots. Anyway, oh God, this is going to run out of battery as well. So I'll continue talking whilst I do this. Okay. I want to start off with David Ornstein. This is the great thing about having a microphone that is attached to me because I could literally just walk down and make a cup of coffee, have a crack.

2:18You'd get the audio of it. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Right. Let's start off with David Ornstein. So this is what David Ornstein has literally said it's come out this morning. He was doing an interview somewhere. There's a number three behind him. I think he might actually be in an airport. So he was asked who he'd sign for Manchester United if he was Ruben Amrim. Well, I don't massively care who David Ornstein would sign if he was Ruben Amrim because he's not a Man United fan. He's a journalist. But what his answer said, I do care about because he said Carlos Baleva because they want him he wants them Brighton don't want to let him go but we will see what the future holds so that's hot off the press from one of the number one transfer journalists in the world David Ornstein saying that Manchester United want Carlos for Labour he wants them Brighton don't want to do a deal at the moment so what are your thoughts on that is that is that fresh is that just because of the summer is it something we should still be looking at um look you cannot discount when david ornstein says something that that might be what manchester united are looking to do i personally don't really think there's a huge reason why manchester united would move away from carlos for labor um my my my um my um perception of sir jim radcliffe omar barada jason wilcox and the people at man united from from very good sources and from very good experience is that they are quite stubborn in relation to what they think is best um and you know with man united doing well at the moment they probably sit there quite smug but the reality is how much of that is by design and how much of that is by a little bit of luck we'll have to wait and see so i don't think i sort of i sort of do agree with david ornstein i don't think they'll have abandoned the carlos belaba deal because they tried to do something in the summer they didn't do it.

4:11Whether it's a risk or not, that's why I ask you, I personally think if he's available for 60 million in the summer, we'll go and do that deal on the belief that we scouted him well a year ago. We think he's the right player for us and we're going to do it. I can see why you might do that because you might go, well, we've scouted him, we believe in him, this is the player that we want at Manchester United and we're going to get him. But do you not walk into a similar trap of what we've done before with other players where we go a little bit ignorant a little bit stubborn and we go this is the player we want and we're going to ignore the last 12 months where I mean I think he got hooked at the weekend for Brighton again didn't he against Palace I mean he's not having a very good season he was fucking awful against us um when you're comparing to Elliot Anderson against So I just think with Carlos Baleba, and then he said with David Ornstein, we need to just move on.

5:08We don't need to move on. He's a very good journalist. I think with Carlos Baleba, we desperately need to move on. We don't need to refuse. We just need to park it and go, we've scouted that player. We approached that player. We like that player for this reason. But we might have dodged a bullet. Let's park him. No one else is going to take him at the moment. And let's look and see if there are better options. So I think that's how I would approach it. But it's interesting that David Ornstein is still talking about Man United wanting him and him wanting us. I don't massively want him at the moment.

5:38I don't like the way he's playing. I don't like the way he played against us. I think that was a massive... I mean, for me, with Belayba, I had a few red flags before talking about how he responded to not getting the move to Man United. but I felt that the Old Trafford audition was a really big opportunity to show us what he was capable of and he bottled it he bottled it he was rubbish like he he was absolutely shit and I just think that he's a he's not ready for the move at the moment he's another prospect isn't he he's another player who's not ready and what I like about Kunya and what I like about in Bumo and what I like about the men's to a certain extent is they've come in and grabbed the opportunity it's not about age you don't need to be 25 it's about the mentality it's about being ready and I think what we saw with Belaber is he's just not ready and there was no reason not to against us to turn up and put in a good performance but he couldn't do it um you know he did that silly tweet or Instagram post oh I'm going to Old Trafford in the morning and then didn't turn up so for me at the moment United might be prioritizing Belaber but I think there's better options i.e.

6:48Anderson I think is a better option you could argue maybe Wharton's a better option um but Labour at the moment you know he's trajecting down there's still a lot of the season left but I don't think he should be our priority but he may well be according to David Ornstein's update he may well still be uh updates uh sorry he may may well be our priority so give us your thoughts on that in fact I would like to um just run a bit quick poll on this would you still i'm not going to compare them to anyone because i think that's a little bit silly will you still sign believer believer let's start the poll on that one good stuff okay um sorry i've just had a super chat come in here and it's slow emily derry says it could be that the labor is still on the list but maybe not number one at this point only that summer may moves may still be being discussed yeah and that's exactly what I'm saying Emily I completely agree with that keep him on the list but let's not be stubborn about this is the number one we're going for belabor we're going for belabor because I think that's that's what sort of what I'm saying it's like I understand we went for him in the summer I think last season he was fantastic I and many of you were very excited that we went for him in the summer and you know what if we'd signed him in the summer we would have been oh my god oh my god oh my god and maybe would have been really good maybe he would have done what he's done here what I'm saying is what we've seen of him since that deal didn't happen for me is unacceptable form it's not good enough it's not the sort of form that I look at him and go you know let's give him a chance I think he's been really bad so I would sort of like go yeah okay we need to take the learning from that maybe in the summer we did want him maybe now we're not so sure let's see what happens between now and the end of the season if he has a renaissance if he switches his head on and he starts playing well well, maybe we do go back for him.

8:37But what I'm saying is I wouldn't go what we wanted him last summer. So no matter what happens this year, let's go back for him. I think that would be really silly because the red flags, if it goes wrong, are there. And you can't ignore the red flags. As we've seen with other players, there were red flags we ignored and they came back to bite us in the arse. And it can be as simple as Jadon Sancho or it can be as niche as Mason Mount had an injury problem and we signed him and he's had an injury problem ever since we bought him. So you've got to be alive to these. uh why can't i become a member member says motaz i don't know josh hunter you can welcome to members club thank you very much jay ignition says i hope we get a couple of deals done in january doubtful but hopeful says jay check out last night's show basically covers that robert mccormack's back he says if amrin brings in a midfielder and plays him he's exposing himself as a complete liar regarding many minutes i don't think he will bench casimiro or bruno anyway and i presume you're saying he's a liar because you know he said that mani's been doing really well in training and hasn't picked him so if someone's doing really well in training and you're not picking them because you prefer bruno and casimiro why would you bring somebody in and then start playing them um i suppose that's the point now the second thing i want to talk about this morning and we can certainly circle back is casimiro there was a few reports yesterday evening that i didn't get chance to talk about because the eight o 'clock show was so bloody good well done last night looking forward to tonight So there's a few stories coming out yesterday, and I'll summarise them as this.

10:00Manchester United manager Ruben Amrim is open to keeping Brazil midfielder Casemiro at the club beyond his current contract, which expires at the end of the season. He's shown that when he's at 100 % fitness, he's still got what it takes to play at the highest level. However, the club are suggesting that he takes a pay cut. I know this is going to go off like a bottle of pop here, but this is, I just want to say, if after 10 years you haven't figured it out, you're an idiot. If you've only just joined as part of the United Stand community, it comes with a warning. We do have debate and we don't always agree.

10:33We're not playing for likes, we're playing for opinion. If we renew Casemiro, we are idiots. We are absolute idiots, right? And I'll tell you in a calm way why, but I'll give you the positives first. Casemiro, in my opinion, is one of the best holding midfielders we've had in the last 20 years, in the game. He's one of the best holding midfielders the game has produced in the last 20 years. You know, he's up there with the best, right? But after his first season at Man United, he lost about a yard of pace. He lost it and he hasn't got it back. You know, he can come back trim, but he didn't get that yard of pace back.

11:14It's gone. And that's why I could do a compilation on this season of misplaced tackles and missed time tackles and late tackles. They're still happening because he's slow. He's lost it, right? his passing what he's done because he's an intelligent player what he's done with his passing is he stopped taking a touch and he plays it first time and that is really useful because it makes him look good but if you want to keep possession he can't do that because he's too slow so he has to move the ball quickly he has been our best midfielder this season there's no doubt about it but if that's our best midfielder we've got a bloody problem we should not be pretending that he's playing like, you know, prime Rodri or prime Declan Rice or Caicedo.

11:56There is a very big difference between our best midfielder, Casemiro, and the best midfielders at other clubs. So if we are thinking about extending him, I think Ruben Amrum's making a massive mistake because take away what Ruben Amrum thinks. In his final season at Manchester United with Ten Hag, our midfield was wide open. We all remember the Jamie Carragher White trainers clip when he was going, I figured out Manchester United's problem. When I look at that Manchester United side, you can park a bus through that midfield. But we all knew that that midfield with Casemiro in it with Ten Hag was getting run through because he didn't have the legs.

12:36So this is always going to be a problem. Now, the reason Casemiro is doing quite well at the moment is because he's got a back five behind him a back five behind him so are we going to continue to carry another midfielder for another year we need to you know there is no there is no logic to keeping casimiro at this football club right you could argue you could keep him as a experienced bench player but he's on 350 grand a week if you're keeping him you've got to start him And if you're going to start him, what the hell are we doing? So for me, it's like, I'm happy for Casemiro to be our midfielder this season.

13:15We don't really have many options and he's the best one we've got, to be fair. But if we're thinking about keeping him for another year and Maguire and Luke Shaw, what the fuck's going on? What are we doing? What are we doing? These players are not Kevin De Bruyne. They are not Rodri. They are not Virgil van Dijk. They are players that really haven't achieved much at Manchester United other than occasional brilliant games and apparent leadership. But Pep Guardiola bings De Bruyne off in the summer to send him to Napoli. We're going to extend people like Casemiro. I just think at some point you've got to go, no, that is not a good idea.

13:54As a stopgap midfielder this season, Casemiro is doing a good job. But next season, he's going to be 35. and he's on 350 grand a week why and I don't think he'll take it anyway but why are we going to Casemiro with a begging bowl going please stay for another year on half the wage I mean I just I don't get it I don't get it but it does make sense it's not just some paper story it does make sense because when you look at Ruben Amrim at sporting he's got a track record of doing this a track record of keeping players that you might think you might think he's going to get rid of because he likes to have them around the dressing room.

14:32But you can't pay 300 grand a week for a cheerleader. You know, Maguire, I sort of understand it, and he probably might take a pay cut. But you can't. You know, Casemiro is not going to go down below 200 grand a week anyway. And he might not even go below 250. So for me, I just think this is fine for now. And, you know, some people's brains won't work because they can't think like this, but we're talking about extending him for another year. We're not talking about dropping him and selling him tomorrow. Like between now and May, I'm comfortable with it. But after May, it needs to end. It needs to end.

15:11It's a stopgap. He's a stopgap midfielder. He is the best midfielder we've got, but he's a stopgap midfielder. He's still going to pick up the yellow cards. He's still slow. He still can't retain possession for us. We need a midfielder, by the way, just to sort of drop you a hint here. We need a midfielder that takes the ball, keeps the ball, passes the ball, keeps the ball. Our possession stats this season are horrendous, horrendous. Like we're below 50 % for over 50 % of our games. So more than half of our games in the Premier League this season, we've not even had half possession. That's abysmal.

15:47We're only not talking about it because of where we are in the league, but we aren't keeping possession because our midfield can't keep possession. You've got Bruno who just wants to hit a Hollywood ball and you've got Casemiro has to move it quick. Otherwise, he gets pressed. We need to bring a couple of midfielders who actually can keep the ball as well. So for me, please, let's use Casemiro for this season and then let's move him on and build something new. Let's stop living in the bloody past because it has to change, has to change, in my opinion. But that's just my opinion. On your opinion, would you still sign Balaba?

16:2155 % of you say no 45 % of you say yes I like that though I like that I think that's a good split because you know he was a player we were all excited about in the summer he's had a bad two or three months but there is still a lot of the season left we probably won't buy our star midfielder until the summer and he is a player that wants to come to us and you must remember that as well he wants to come to us if you're Man United and you've got Elliot Anderson who's going I might come to you. I might not. Adam Wharton, I might come to you. I might not. Stiller, I might come to you. I might not. Belabor, I will come to you and no one else wants him.

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17:41Morning coffee run with an old friend? Earn cash back. Weekend getaway? Earn miles. dinner at the hottest restaurant in town you get the idea no matter the place or the plan amex rewards your inner explorer learn about card options at americanexpress.com terms apply i'm just saying that might be quite attractive to united as well because it's an easy deal you know they already spoke to him before he wants to come here nobody's looking at him because he's not had a very good season that would be a mistake by the way you don't just go for somebody because no one else wants them and they want you but that might be another reason man united do consider looking at that um let me end that poll because i do want to i want to ask you about casemiro as well um would would you extend casemiro another year yeah voting get your comments in uh third story of the morning we've got to get through some of this this morning and and um jayden sancho now please don't with jayden sancho on the thumbnail might make you think people might make you think he's coming back um there is zero chance of that man united don't even have the power to bring him back but he won't be coming back to man united anyway there was this ridiculous talk that we were going to extend his contract for another year to try and get some money for him in the summer as we said last summer are man united that naive that they think they can get a fee for jayden sancho there's two problems with this first of all who would pay for him and that's a pretty unsurmountable problem second of all why would jayden sancho even if we extend his contract for another year which we can do against his will why would Jadon Sancho in the summer go you won I will go to somewhere and take a pay cut so you can get a transfer fee he'd just do what he did last summer and go I'm not going there I'm not going there I'm not going there I'm not going there and end up getting a loan deal like we literally tried Romano and Ornstein were talking about it all summer we literally put it out there that we were going to get a fee for Jadon Sancho and it was it was Turkish clubs it was Italian clubs and they all approached and they all had a look and Sancho was like I am not taking a pay cut and Man United couldn't get a fee Man United then sort of put it out there that wow we'll try again in the summer I mean Jadon Sancho doesn't strike me as the sort of person that would give a shit about waiting another year so that he's free um he likes freedom so United aren't going to bother with that anymore so he's going to be out of his contract in the summer as we know we've spent over 120 million pounds on jayden sancho and he's 25 it's embarrassing and that's probably why united were trying to salvage some money from it because i mean i think it's laughable that we spent 125 million pounds on the fee and the wages of sancho over the last five years and he's still only 25 and he's going to walk out the door for nothing arguably it goes straight in at number one as our worst ever bit of transfer business um and as much as it's laughable imagine what the glazers think imagine what inios think 125 million pounds out of a football club i mean that's that's a seventh of our debt you know that's a seventh of our debt 125 million pounds gone on nothing um so whatever we think about it's embarrassing imagine what the club think i mean it's just a gaping hole um but the talk of the town with sancho at the moment is it's not going very well at Aston Villa they might ditch him in January and he could be heading back to Dortmund again so I mean what does it mean to us not a lot I mean I don't see him as a Man United player anyway um but yeah I mean I don't know I know a lot of Villa fans because of where I live I don't know why they did that deal the Rashford deal made sense point to prove actually a decent player when he's on it i don't know whether villa thought oh once you know we've done it once but but sancho was never going to be a rashford um so look yeah i mean maybe he goes back to i don't know but from our point of view well the only what do we get out of this really you know i don't know i don't know i don't know what we get um is he our worst ever signing

22:13i mean even anthony at 80 million it's not 125 is it like i just think it's been a total utter disaster to be honest with you um but yeah he could be heading off to uh dortmund so we'll wait and see what happens with that i can't see him doing anything at villa really but you know um i'm still very skeptical about our owners says nishant uh our owners will buy anyone in january sorry let me read this properly nishant says um i'm still very skeptical that our owners will buy anyone in january at least not till the last three days we've got to be quick if we're going to buy someone says nishant i think in relation to the january transfer window obviously we went into it in major depth on the show last night um as i said joe i'm not gonna go over it again jow gomez can happen Connor Gallagher can happen we need a midfielder so it can happen in January and if the club try and say we're not doing it because of whatever reason you know money or you have money for belabor that you didn't spend so that's bollocks or they try and pretend that the summer's a better market well it isn't because the summer market's got a world cup in it and it'll have a lot of competition in it um and also the January transfer window has proven to be very successful for clubs like Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool.

23:31You get a player in, the market is good and then they're bedded in for next season and help you in this season. So if we ignore it, we're morons, basically. Chris says, I think Anderson wants a Newcastle return. He's a good player. He was forced out by PSR. Lots to prove before£100 million plus possibly Man City to bid. Man United away off it, says Chris. I don't think we'll get Elliot Anderson. I don't. I think he's the best option out of Labour and Wharton, but I don't think we'll get him. I think a lot of things would have to go right for us to get him. We'd have to get Champions League football.

24:08We'd have to be, you know, right on our game. And I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what his preference is, but I don't know. I really don't. Ellie says, amazing show last night. Portugal for the AFCOM was genius. Yes, he didn't even win comments in the evening. So get ready for tonight. We have a new section on eight o 'clock where, you know, we're trying to get comments that generate debate. And certainly there was a comment that generated debate last night. But there was a funny comment that was, can we get a late entry for Portugal into the AFCON? Obviously, based on Bruno and Delo wouldn't be here.

24:43I mean, look, it was comedy. It was a joke. But yeah, I mean, I think there are people out there that do think that it would be an interesting Manchester United side to see what we're like without Bruno. What I would say about that, though, is as much as I don't like Bruno in the midfield, we are in touching distance of the top five. Like if we got rid of Bruno, would we be in touching distance of the top five? I don't know. We have spent the last 10 years bemoaning the club for living on past glory, says Emily Derry. Why should we do the same with one player? Casemiro is declining. He's not that player anymore.

25:24it's time to look forward yes and and emily that's why i aim it at amaranth because i feel like he you know this will be his decision if this happens it will be on him man united have been trying to sell cas look in fairness to inios they've been trying to move casimiro on ever since they came in rashford was on a big wage get him out casimiro they've desperately been trying to get rid of him for two years he wants to run his contract down so that he's free agent and make and make a load of money. I don't think Casemiro will stay anyway. I think Casemiro has enjoyed his time at Manchester United, but I don't think Casemiro will say, I'll stay here and take a pay cut when, let's be clear, Casemiro will be out of contract at 34 this summer and he's playing well and he's going to go to a World Cup.

26:13He can legitimately say to probably teams in Europe, certainly the MLS and the Saudi League, he can say, I'm a free agent, I'm playing well, I want 350 grand a week and I want a 20 million signing on fee. Man United won't be able to go anywhere near that. So I actually think it's fanciful that Man United think they can get him to stay. I also think it's desperate as well, because we shouldn't be looking at a player of that age and that profile as part of our future beyond this season. Sorry for disturbing your flow. It's becoming a member limited in certain countries says motaz i think it is but years ago i looked at that i don't think everybody can become a member um but i'm not 100 sure maybe someone can help you with that uh chip says brighton are also proud and stubborn they won't lower the price that much and you can't go near him at 100 million at his current four how much would you pay for belabor then imagine imagine in the second half of the season he does okay like he did last year i think he's devalued i think that with regards to belabor if Bryton wanted 100 million in the summer that was your chance because he'd had a really good season and you could go look at Guy Sando this season we've seen at least three months of a drop-off so even if he finished the season like he did last year I'd still say come on there was a dodgy three months there that definitely impacts his value so how much would you pay he's not a hundred million pound player now you can't have a three months like that because it's a question mark on your you know consistency etc i would say he tops out at 60 now i don't think united knew that you know some people go oh united were right in the summer to off 16 they weren't right in the summer to offer 60 because they're not bloody mystic mark meg but i think based on the three months we've just seen i'd say 60 is about right um um if he has a good second half to the season i don't you can't be going 70 80 not based on what we've seen in the last three months and that damages his value but if as chip said if brian don't want to lower it uh i think for 50 to 60 million he'll be cheaper than every other option available for what we're after says nj um and josh hunter welcome to members club thank you very much uh appreciate that um i think camara for villa is a good shout says derry look there are other options out there definitely okay on the poll would you extend casimero for another year 25 of you are saying yes and 75 of you are saying no now look hopefully hopefully the conversation that we've had this morning is an intelligent one around Casamiro because I get a little bit tired I was on Terry's channel yesterday and we were talking about this I get a little bit tired of the word agenda because agenda doesn't enter my vocabulary I don't really understand what agenda is agenda is something that's when I think about the word agenda and I see it as something that is an opinion that's just based on stubbornness or you know naivety which i don't do i don't i don't do that you know i'll criticize amram even though i want him to do well you know bruno's one of my favorite players but i also think um um you know i think he has his problems and makeup professional i don't know whether you're being abusive here or you're being nice i don't know everyone doesn't need to don't need to agree with you mark okay so you are actually being quite abusive with that um i'll tell you a little story about this channel right and it probably frustrates everyone else as much as it frustrates me everyone doesn't need to agree with you mark okay the principle of this success of this community and the reason it's here 10 years later and the reason it started off with like 10 people watching and now it gets thousands and thousands of people watching is because right at the start for about 18 months um we basically used to say after most shows real fan opinion for real fans i got rid of that because i didn't really understand what the real bit was all about but one of the other principles we always had is that you're not meant to agree the whole point is i don't want you to agree i want you to have your own opinion that was what we've always been about so you couldn't be further from the truth that i don't want you to agree with me.

30:42If you do agree with me, that's fine. But I want you to go, I don't agree with that. And here's my opinion. That's the whole point of the brilliance of what we've created here. I don't give a shit if people agree with me or not. If you do, well done. You're intelligent people. If you don't, great. You don't agree with me. That's fine. I don't care. If I was playing for likes and stuff, I'd be like all those other United channels and aggregators who want to rim you and go, oh I agree with you I agree with you that's not life that's certainly not football we're all passionate individuals with different niche opinions I get on really well with Robert McCormack we've had beers together he's loving for Rashford I don't agree with it you know I don't agree and I'm sure he doesn't agree with some of my opinions as well Ricky and me don't agree on loads of stuff when we get on really really well I don't I don't care if you disagree or agree what I do care about is when it becomes toxic, abusive, or agenda-driven.

31:37Like, you don't listen to facts. And when it comes to Casemiro, I realize there is a cult for Casemiro in this fan base like there is for every other bloody player. But what I'm saying, and probably 75 % of you who voted are saying, is right here, right now, there is no debate that he is our best midfielder. Hey guys, Lady Luck here. Are you going on any road trips this summer? I know I'm going to be going on a bunch of road trips. And being that I'm going to be Passenger Princess, I love playing on SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest has all of my favorite slot games, live blackjack, live craps. Head on over to SpinQuest right now and get yourself a$30 coin pack for just$10.

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32:55but it's a little bit like open up your cereal cupboard and your favorite cereal is shreddies crunchy nut cornflakes rice krispies right you open up the cupboard none of those are there weita bix are there porridge is there you know who um bloody what's it's um not what's it's can't have them for breakfast anyway and you go the best of the bunch is weita bix i'll have that that's the best breakfast I can have. With Casemiro, 100%, he's the best midfielder we've got at the moment. Maynou, God knows, we never see him. Agate, yeah, okay. Bruno, not even a midfielder. So Casemiro is the best midfielder we've got.

33:38What I'm saying is, as soon as possible, we need to buy two midfielders and start building our midfield, because this midfield ain't it. It's doing okay. We might get top four out of it. We might get top five out of it. But Last time I checked, for the last 10 years, it's about when are we going to win the league? How many years till we win the league? When are we going to win the league? It's not about, ooh, we finished fifth with a 31-year-old number 10 and a 34-year-old past-it midfielder. That's not the plan. So if this season, Bruno and Casemiro get us top five, well done. Thank you very much.

34:13You need to go because I need to build a team that can win the league now. I need to bring two midfielders. That's the conversation we're having. The conversation is, would you keep Casemiro for another year? And I'm like, no, because he ain't never going to win us the league. No, he's not. He's never going to do it. He's not good enough to help us win the league. If he was 27, yeah, you'd build a bloody team around him. But he's 34 in February. This season, fine. Don't extend it beyond that. We're not a bloody charity. And I look at Pep Guardiola and I look at Mikel Arteta and I look at Arneslot and I look at what they do with players that are coming towards the end and they move them on.

34:53You could argue that keeping Van Dijk and Salah might not be a good idea for Arneslot considering their form this year, but they are two world-class players and they won the league in the summer. We are looking to keep Casemiro and Maguire. They are not Van Dijk and Salah and look at the risk with those two now in their 30s. You never to know when they're going to drop off a little bit more we need to build for the future so for me casemiro this season is our best midfielder but next season this we've got to move on from this if he was on 100 grand a week he might go let's keep him around the place he's on 350k a week and also people need to start looking at our midfield and realizing that the reason we've been shit in the second half against spurs and forest is because our midfield loses the control we're no good we're no good when we're in control by the way i don't know if everyone's realized this We're no good when we're in control.

35:44Look at the Brighton game when we're in control. Make subs, drop off. Look at the Forest game. 1-0 up at halftime, completely implode in the second half. Look at the Spurs game. 1-0 up at halftime, completely implode in the second half. We're no good in a winning position. But as soon as it goes to 2-1 to Spurs or 2-1 to Forest or 3-2 to Brighton, what happens? 4-2, 2-2, 2-2. What happens at 0-0? 1-0, 1-0, 2-0, 3-0. You know, we're good in a position of where it's level or we've got to get back in a game. But as soon as we go in front, we're like, we can't control the game. That's the midfield.

36:28We can't control games. We all said it's at halftime against Forest and we definitely said it against Spurs. What we need to do is keep hold of the ball and don't invite the pressure and wait for the opportunity to hurt them in the space they're going to leave attacking. And we couldn't do it in two games because we haven't got the midfielders who are confident and good enough and disciplined enough on the ball to keep the ball. It's always Casemiro moves it quick. Bruno moves it quick. Stylistically, that might be what Amrim wants to do. But in this league, you can't just get rid of possession quickly.

37:01As I said, we're less than 50 % possession in over half of our games. We're getting rid of the ball too quick. That's got to go. I'll tell you what, if we'd had 60 % possession against Spurs, or no, tell you what, tell a lie, if we'd had 57 % possession against Spurs and Forest, we'd have won the game. It's just that little extra 5%, 10 % of possession changes the game and the only way we're going to do that is by bringing in midfielders that can do it um and you know people say it's light switch I say it's light switch people say it's mentality I say it's mentality but it actually can be a lot simpler than that having a couple of midfielders or one midfielder that can just keep the ball calm it down we're one nil up they're going to come at us for the next 10 minutes let's be disciplined let's try and keep the ball let's make I mean the great thing is if I'm Casemiro, I'm Bruno, right?

37:53And I say to De Litt and Yaro and Luke Shaw, what we're going to do for the next 10 minutes is, right, give me the ball, move, give it your back. I'll move. I'll have it back. I'll have it back. I'll have it back. They'll realise we're going to try and keep possession. They'll press us. And then what we do is we're looking for Cunha. We're looking for Inverma. We're looking for the overlap from one of our wing backs and we'll hit them into the space. It's so bloody simple and we're not able to do it at the moment and this is why everybody knows we need to invest in the midfield because we're not keeping the ball we're not protecting our defense well enough and we're not supporting our attack well enough and all of that comes from the midfield and I absolutely subscribe to the view that if you parachuted in Elliot Anderson and Carlos Baleba into our midfield against Everton and for the rest of the season we'd comfortably be top four comfortably be top four um we're two we're two good midfielders away from really being on a journey um and even if you think even if you think we're on a journey with Bruno and Casemiro they still need replacing because of their age profile um we need to keep moving forward there needs to be a serious discussion about players who've been here for three or four years says John United well I think we've had that serious discussion before now Amrim seems to me to be a manager that has this you know this thing where he likes to keep players around who are old um if he likes them it sort of flies in the face of the wind of modern premier league football there aren't many clubs that do that you know how many players have arsenal got there are actually experienced players that are just staying around how many players have man city got that are just experienced players that are keeping around i mean you'd probably say john stones but is he that old um liverpool have obviously done it with van dyke and salah and they might be paying the price for that now um neo says he's keeping them for the leadership yeah but we're evolving away from that now what why would i need to keep casemiro and maguire for leadership when i've got people like masrawi the lit kunya and bermo um i don't i don't i don't think we need to now especially if you bring two midfielders in who've got something about them i think we're building a new leadership team and i think it's i think it's on the horizon very very quickly in my opinion um okay let's have a quick look at what you've got to say um why do we win when we're not in a why do we win when when when we're not in a winning position says matthew why can't we win when we're not in a winning position i think we've just sort of gone through that i think casemiro should go maguire and bruno too says bees i don't mind keeping maguire i don't mind keeping maguire and i know that sounds a little bit strange because you could argue that casemiro is a better player and we're weaker in the midfield than we are at the defense i don't mind keeping maguire because i think his experience is really different um he's also he's got a harvey's wage so if harry maguire says i will stay at man united for another year on 100 grand a week i don't mind can't stay on 190 grand a week he won't play that much anyway because our best defense has got dilip and yarrow in it and he's not a left-sided center back but maguire's experience is very different to everybody else's it's not about winning the champions league or winning premier leagues or being the best center back in europe or anything like that it's simply his experience is important because of the journey he's been through it's been such a roller coaster ups and downs ups and downs ups and downs and if people actually listen to him that's a that's that's quite a big experience for anybody a new signing you know a player going through a bad patch a youngster so i don't mind doing that it's a bit like a you know a pound land version of johnny evans really because johnny evans had actually won things but i don't mind doing that but you can't you can't do it with three or four players um mark you said you want players who keep the ball but you want connor gallagher that doesn't make sense jason that's just your opinion on connor gallagher i think connor gallagher would be a step up on what we've got i think he can keep the ball and i think he's a modern midfielder that would work in our system very very well you obviously don't think he can keep the ball and you can probably pull up a compilation tape of him giving the ball away and not being able to do it I could pull one up where he does I'm comfortable with his going for kind of Gallagher in January did you see the first half versus second half tables if we only played first halves we'd be top with 22 points if only second half we'd be 18 with six what I think that's an eight o 'clock topic if ever I've seen one's lazy if that is true that is incredible so So based on the first half, we'd be top with 22 points.

42:34Based on the second half, we'd be 18th with six. It's a little bit like Spurs, isn't it? Spurs were or are top of the league for away form. And they are bottom of the league, fourth from bottom for home form, which is incredible.

43:07um we need to keep moving forward uh sorry i'm just trying to it's all freezing out a bit here um do we have a recall clause on collier he's had a good start with albion and shown the traits we definitely need right now oh oh no no i feel i'm not a church old dog oh no no um we definitely should not be recalling Collier. I mean, Collier is on loan at the Championship Club playing football. Let's bring him back to sit on the bench for Casemiro and Bruno. No, development has to be an important strategy with players that are fringe players. This is why Manu should be loaned out. Like, we can't just bring players back and go, oh, you've done well, sit on our bench.

43:50Like, he is better off. Unless you're going to bring him back and start him, keep him playing football. It's really important. Matthew says, I mean, why do we lose control after we score first? It's like we're always playing reactively rather than practically. As I said, Matthew, it's an inability to keep possession. It's a midfield problem. Most teams, if you watch any game of football, 90 % of the time, even if it's Man City, after you score a goal, there will be a period where the opposition react and you've got to solidify and compose yourself. obviously it's not always the case you might feel that the opposition aren't capable of doing it and you're so in control you go again and again and that's why you get three four five nil but in a lot of games you might be on top you score a goal and then there'll be a momentum shift because in life if somebody has a setback people get up and try so it's quite common that you go one nil up and then the opposition will come back at you and most teams know that's going to happen and they deal with it by not being complacent you know doing the basics well keeping the ball looking after the ball and not making mistakes what united do is we go one nil down and we keep trying to hit these quick transitional balls and we just give possession away so if i go one nil up and then for the next 45 minutes i'm going to have less than 50 possession i've got a bloody good chance if I'm the opposition of getting an equaliser.

45:22What we need to do is go 1-0 up and grab control of the game. We need to shift our tactics a little bit. Stop being so direct. Stop being so transitional and actually be a little bit composed. Then we'll get the second goal and then the game will be over. But we keep playing the same way. Also, with a little bit of nervousness because they're attacking us. There's a little bit more effort coming our way. No hype around Edison at Atlanta right now, sneak in and sign him up. I think Edison was a 10-hog era. target ace because I've never heard anything under under Amrum uh since we've been there uh no to Gomez he's a CDM from Poundland for Labour Yep says Fez I can see a scenario where we sign two midfielders but we see Casemiro and Bruno start the first game of next season says Visco um yeah yeah look I mean the great thing about Man United is is that we're a roller coaster of emotion it's not necessarily a great thing I'd rather we were just a consistent freight train of success but we're up we're down we're up we're down we're up down and nobody can sit here and say we're back because in a year's time we might have a different manager and another formation and a different tactic nobody can sit here and say next season we won't see Bruno and Casemiro starting for Man United I think the most important thing is that we don't I think this season for me and looking at Amrim's team selections, I think this season is just a stopgap.

46:48I think it's about getting into Europe. And I would hope that he's analysed absolutely everything and gone that percentage-wise, if I go with these experienced players, I've got a good chance of getting top five.

47:03But that midfield might not allow that to happen. And certainly it ain't going to get any better next year. So this is why midfield is such a big, big area for Manchester United. And this is why many of us agree that we need to bring one in in January and one in the summer and have major surgery on that area. Thank you very much to Josh Hunter for that as well. Appreciate that.

47:31Done that one as well. Could we get the labour on the cheap in January? Luke I think as somebody said a few minutes ago why why would Brighton go we want 100 million pounds in August and then go he's had a bit of a bad time they can have him for 40 Brighton ain't that plug I think Brighton to be honest with you Brighton might actually look at the Labour's drop off as a positive and go if the move's off now we'll end up keeping him which is beneficial for us so I mean Brighton aren't really doing anything they wouldn't expect to do I mean they were never going to be top six anyway they're around mid-table a couple of wins they'll be up near seventh eight so i don't think brighton are really missing out on the labour's form at the moment and i don't think they'd be that bothered about him not going to manchester united um let me have a look what he's saying can we get believer in the cheap do fans think that bail has partly down tools so that he's worth less in the market and brighton would be happy to move him on believe but kenneth uh kazimir is like an old bros royce he's he purrs but he's knackered says rubble was united and um hey guys lady luck here are you going on any road trips this summer i know i'm going to be going on a bunch of road trips and being that i'm going to be passenger princess i love playing on spinquest.com spinquest has all of my favorite slot games, live blackjack, live craps, head on over to SpinQuest right now and get yourself a$30 coin pack for just$10.

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49:42Mark is the kind of guy who talks about what to do as if it needs to be done already. We bought three attackers, got rid of the bomb squad, and here he is saying Amrim likes oldies. Come on, mate. You know when you read a comment and it doesn't make any sense? That one. um this is also our system by the way every how kick every goal kick is a long ball says dk um is collier even playing much at west brom says maliba and united in average already have the youngest squad in the league even with the likes of bruno no we do not have the look mate luke stop lying we do not have the youngest squad in the league we definitely do not have the youngest squad in the league because i know for a fact it's chelsea a one or two i think people just don't come in here and lie because if you get caught out you'll get exposed like this is a debate conversation brilliant but don't come in and throw lies in because that's that we're not having that we're not having lies is there a chance that one of our midfield talents in the youth setup becomes that player we need in the middle of the park next season

50:46I don't know I don't know I mean certainly if you throw a young player in you've got to expect

50:56inconsistency can we afford to do that this season no could we afford to do it next season I don't know because I think United have got to progress every year and the issue with bringing a young player in is they've got to be ready to go um and it's very unfair to say young players ready to go because they've got to be given the ability to make mistakes um john united says the bomb squad was the buzzword for the summer there should have been more names on it yeah well john we're coming towards the end of the show but i completely agree with you i don't even i don't even give credit to Wilcox and Barada and Amirim for the bomb squad what was the bomb squad it's got nothing why were they called the bomb squad as I said this this sort of irritates me a little bit people band around the word bomb squad like we had a really good summer transfer window hold on a minute how many players who started the Europa League final did we get rid of Anana Rasmus two and they're both on loan um the bomb squad none of them started the Europa League final and four of them were nothing to do with the season anyway Rashford was gone in January Anthony was gone in January Malassia was gone for all season and so was Sancho Ganacho granted was there for most of the season so this bomb squad that's sort of been labeled as a success story for our board to get rid of the shit well technically they weren't really they had to go but they weren't really the problem last season.

52:25There was a multiple of players. A lot of the players people are, you know, praising at the moment were the same players that delivered our most embarrassing points total in Premier League history and finished 15th. I personally think more than Rasmussen and Arna should have gone from that Europa League final side. I personally think another three or four players should have gone. The bottom line is we were never going to do it because it took us all someone to get rid of the bomb squad. But there's a lot more that needs to go out on that team if we want to get better.

53:00Oh, Alex, you're so clever the way you've worded it, but you still got noticed and blocked. Well done, Alex. You sad twat. Malassia left in January. Yeah, but he never played. Whether he left in January or not, it wasn't like he was playing left back for most of the season, was he? Malassia hardly played. Sancho wasn't there. Anthony and Rashford hardly played and then got rid of. So this bomb squad nonsense is just another way for these people who live up the arse of the Glazers to try and pretend that, oh, we cleared out this shit in the summer. And we didn't. We didn't. We got rid of players that needed to go.

53:40But I don't think most of that bomb squad really had anything to do with us having a bad season last year. Matthew Atkinson, welcome to Members Club. Thank you very much for that. What about Luke Shaw? Would you get rid of him? Oh, 100%. 100%. I think he's one of my favourite players up until a couple of years ago, but the whole England thing. And the fact that he's now staying fit, having not been fit for two years, I just find it's a miracle. I'm not even going to be... It's just a miracle. It's an absolute miracle that Luke Shaw can suddenly play football every week in a World Cup year as well.

54:16It's amazing. But no, I'd get rid of him. I know he's doing well, but I just don't well liked around the club they all really really like him he's good mates with Kunya etc and that's absolutely fantastic but the whole England thing is it stubbornness I don't know I don't think it is stubbornness I just the whole England thing just made me just not really have I became indifferent to Luke Shaw I was like you're indifferent to Man United I'm indifferent to you you know your priorities are very different to what I think um you know he has done quite well for us this season and hopefully he will continue to do well but he's not a player for the future um and I always feel like we're one new story away from him being out injured again so you know I would move Luke Sean Luke Sean in the summer if I could 100 percent um thanks thanks everyone for watching as always um eight o 'clock show is gonna be really good tonight it was brilliant last night if you didn't watch it um and uh we're back at two as well with beth and we've got ben jacobs on the show tomorrow which will be really good because we'll get all the latest on what's actually going on ahead of the january transfer window um have a great day evening whatever you're doing legends and i'll speak to you all in a bit take care

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