247: Toney Wants UNITED!? Semenyo & Stiller TRANSFER BLOW!

0:01Hello everybody and welcome back to The United Stand and happy Friday. We are one step closer to seeing Manchester United back in action and we are going to talk about it but we have some Manchester United news and transfer news to get into this morning. Ivan Toney, could he be up for a January move? There really could be something in this so let's discuss would you take Ivan Toney in the January transfer window as another option to Benjamin Sesko. And how likely would that be? Especially with the recent blow to the idea of us getting Semenyo in. Ben Jacobs said that we were open to bringing Semenyo in and that we were considering it.

0:41Of course we were. We've held a long-term interest in him. But are Manchester United going to prioritise their transfer money in that area? Well, David Ornstein spoke a little bit more last night And he said, as much as Manchester United appreciate the player, it looks like it's more going to go in the direction of Liverpool or Manchester City. Is that a blow? I do feel like we need another forward player. I do feel like we need somebody else to bolster the attack, especially if Mbumo's going to be out at AFCON. I know it's only short term, but looking ahead to European football, it's best to get quality in.

1:13With the Semenyo blow, would Ivan Toni be a good figure to bring in? I mean, experience, not going to be around forever, could benefit Benjamin Sesko. I know he's not always been a popular figure, but he can score goals. And he's got a relationship with Brian and Bumo as well. Get in the comments if you would do that. In fact, I'll run a poll on that. We also have Angelo Stiller. Could there be a blow in that transfer as he prefers another side to move to? And could there be a little bit more in the Ruben Nevers story than we originally thought? Ben Jacob seemed to pour some cold water on it yesterday, but this news does keep coming out, so we will touch on it.

1:47And of course, a little bit about Amerim going into the Everton game. I cannot wait. I cannot wait to watch Manchester United back in action. Hello, everybody. I'm Beth. If you're only just tuning in for the first time, this is the United stand. And we're going to get into everything Manchester United related this morning. Hope you're all doing well. Hope you're excited for a good weekend of Premier League football. Is everyone excited? What are your plans for it? My plan is couch from 12.30 until Monday morning and then I'm in the United States studio ready for that Manchester United game against Everton at Old Trafford.

2:24I can't bloody wait for it. Anyway, get your comments in, smash your votes in the poll and let me know and let's get into the news. So I'm going to start off with, actually I'll bring in the Semenyo stuff first, just so there's clarity on that, and then it'll lead me into speaking about Ivan Toni. So Anton Semenyo, this is what Ornstein had to say about the transfer. For the time being, from the many conversations I've had, those three teams, Manchester City, Liverpool and Spurs, seem to be the ones that are genuinely in frame. Manchester United were there in the summer but they went with the Brian Mbimo signing.

3:06Is that a position that they're looking for? Is this a player that they're still in for? I'm not aware at this point and of course finances would play a role as well. The industry is telling us if there is to be a move it's more likely to be in the Man City, Liverpool or Tottenham direction. so yeah according to David Ornstein it doesn't seem too likely does it that we're going to get Semenyo and I did call this and we've spoken about this in the week since that 65 million release clause was revealed 60 million up front and 5 million add-ons I've said as much as I think he would be a good signing for Manchester United and as much as I think Manchester United would want to be in the race I just don't think they're going to want to drop 60 million on him when they've spent 65 million on Brian Mbumo 60 odd million on Mateus Cunha and 70 million near enough£70 million on Benjamin Sesko.

3:59I just don't think they're going to want to spend another£60 plus million on another forward player. I think he'd be great for us. I think he would give us the depth that we need. He has a slightly different profile. He's Premier League proven. He fits the age bracket. He'd hit the ground running. But I can understand why Man United might not want to pour another massive amount of money into the forward line when we've got other positions that we need to go and get. I've said this. I think he'll go to Liverpool. I personally think he'll get pitched the idea of being the long-term Salah replacement.

4:28I know that he can play on both sides. I think he prefers to play off the left, if I'm not mistaken. I think I've seen him more off the left for Bournemouth. But there's room in that Liverpool side for him. I don't think he comes in and absolutely is nailed on every single week because they've got some good players. But I think he'll develop into a starter for them and I think that's what they'll pitch to them. I don't see him going to Spurs. I don't see him going to Spurs. I think he'd do really well. it's Spurs but I don't see him going there and I just don't see that move happening if you've got all them clubs in the race could I see him going to Manchester City potentially but you've got Doc who's absolutely on fire this season and I know Manchester United have Mbumo and Cunha and Sesco and that is absolutely an upgrade but once we get into European football there is going to be space there Brian Mbumo can play down the middle Brian Mbumo can play off the left off the right Mateus Cunha can play off the left up front Benjamin Sesco is learning his trade there is game time there to be had especially when we get into european football next season for me it would be just bringing the money forward however i just don't think united are going to want and invest that amount of money which is why david arnstein has said it's quite unlikely that we will go and win that race in january plus you never know manchester united might have had some sort of intel that you know if if you do compete for semenyo he might not he might not pick you i mean i don't know so we we did the groundwork with semenyo amory met him for dinner to do like a little background check slash personality test on him.

5:56I mean, it wasn't like Anton Semenyo, will you meet me for a personality test? It was more just getting to know the player. We were absolutely interested. I think the price was a bit too high last season and we ended up going for Brian Mbumo and Cunha, who I'm absolutely happy with and I wouldn't change a thing. I think they were two really good players to bring in and I still stand by that now. But to add Semenyo to that would be dangerous. It would be dynamic and he can bring so much to that team. I feel like however Semenyo might have said to United I do fancy the Liverpool move or I fancy going to Spurs I mean I can't see him picking Spurs over United to be quite frank with you or I fancy you know Manchester City which again okay yeah Pep Coddyall was there but come on United City I'm winding a few people up but I mean I know what I'd be picking but he might have genuinely said to Manchester United look I've got another club in mind and if United know they're not going to win a race they won't enter it It might not have got that advanced, of course it might not, and we might be just saving that money for the summer.

6:57But as I've said so many times before, getting a Semenyo in, getting a striker in, it might not even be Semenyo, could be the difference between Champions League football or no Champions League football. Having that extra player to make up in the attack when Brian Mbumo is at AFCON if he stays there for long, you don't know, could help us get Champions League football, get them extra points. Abad might be going as well and competing so you've got to take that into account when you're looking at how do we get the Champions League money we invest in January what midfield targets I know that is the place where we are desperate for players but what midfield targets are available in January Jao Gomez maybe who I would go and get do people really want to go and get Conor Gallagher do you think he's a long-term replacement do you think he's the long-term for this club or do you think in a year's time you're thinking probably need another midfielder if he counts as one of your midfielders this year so and you've got Kobi Manu as well who I think can absolutely do a job so I would rather be patient and get an Anderson, a Baliba, a Stilla in the summer than force a midfielder in January that's not going to work when there could be an attacker there that generally does help us push on for Champions League okay yeah you've spent a bit of money on another attacker but you can go and get the Elliot Anderson because you can pitch him Champions League football you can go and get the Angelo Stilla because you can pitch him Champions League football and it's working out them sort of nuances in your head and Jason Wilcox will be on top of this Ineos will be on top of this and it's for the recruitment to determine where can we risk spending money where for the long term it's going to positively affect us it's going to have a positive impact on us and that's the main thing I'm going to come to the chat in a second, but for me, when I'm buying any player now, I'm thinking to myself, in a year's time, will this have had a positive impact on the club?

8:54And that's the question. I'm not saying everybody's got a last five or ten years, but in a year's time, will Semenu have had a positive impact on this club? Yes, I think he would be in and around the starting XI, absolutely, within Europe and the Premier League. and you just know with how good he's been within the last year that he just come in straight away and he's got that ability to play this level of football, top level of football in the Premier League. If you got Ivan Toni, would that be a positive impact that this time of the year you're thinking, I'm really glad I went and got Ivan Toni.

9:27Well, it depends on the wage and the length of contract because I think if he comes in, knows the Premier League, helps Benjamin Zesko and adds that experience, absolutely you could. If you go and get a Conor Gallagher and you have to get him on a permanent because Atletico won't let him go on alone, this time next year, is he starting? Is he taking up another place in the squad where you ideally want someone better? I mean, I think he'd be a good squad player, but the reason he wants to leave Atletico Madrid is because he doesn't want to be a squad player. He's coming off the bench for Atletico.

10:01He wants to be a starter. This time next year at United, Is he going to be a starter? No. So you've got to weigh up at every transfer. I don't want any stopgaps. And when I say stopgaps, people might think Ivan Toney's a stopgap. It depends on the length of a contract. If he comes in and he does well, he helps us go out and it's not something massively long term, that could be a huge boost. With Conor Gallagher, if he came in for a loan and it was a straight loan from January till the summer, that'd be a boost. It absolutely would be a boost. If it was a permanent deal, are we scratching our heads in a year's time thinking, where does he play and and and he's kind of not happy he's now a squad player and is it worth it or is it worth going for someone permanent who's massively going to improve us for a long period of time in the January and then focus on your midfield targets in the summer the ones that you really really want but anyway get your votes in the poll I'm going to move on to Ivan Tony in a second that was just the the recent news about Semenyo that I wanted to bring in it is looking unlikely but you know we're going to cover all the new stories here in the United standing I'm still vouching for it I would still do it and it's all about fan opinion I know a lot of you wouldn't the community is pretty split community some of the community thinks we should spend the money elsewhere I know Goldbridge doesn't wouldn't do it I've been tuning in from Central Park and Brooklyn Bridge and I know he wouldn't do it so the United fan base is pretty split on this and I feel like that's that kind of emulates what United's collaboration recruitment team will be like right now because Amorim, Wilcox, Barada, everybody else in that recruitment team they all sit down and they come to a collaborative conclusion on targets.

11:34We all know Amorim wanted Emi Martinez, Jason Wilcox pushed through Senny Lamans, Ruben Amorim wanted Olly Watkins and Christopher Vell pushed through Benjamin Sesko but also Amorim will have a say as well like it's collaborative. There might be Jason Wilcox and Omar Barada there saying look Amorim with Ruben I don't think they'll call him Amorim to his face look Ruben we've shifted nearly 200 million on forward players in the summer I don't think we can give you another 60 to spend on Semenyo and Amorim might be there saying yeah but if you do spend that on Semenyo I could get you Champions League football then you've got more money to help me even further in the summer with the midfield Semenyo is my sort of player he's someone I want he's a versatile forward I think I really need him in this squad and it's kind of that's kind of the conversation we're having in the community right now.

12:22And I can imagine they're probably the conversations that are having him behind the scenes. Amarim, this is an opportunity where we can go and get him. I won't say once in a lifetime. I think that's a bit extreme. This is a one-time opportunity. There's a release clause. I wanted him in the summer. I want to add another fast, flowy attacker. Can you go and get him? Kind of really need to save for the midfield, Ruben. And that's the conversations I feel like will be going on. Getting some super chats in. Tom Grant says, hi Beth is a lone option for Tony i.e like Gallagher I mean we're going to get into Ivan Tony news in a second so we'll get into that thank you Tom Daniel Thompson says hope you're well Beth you Terry Mauds have been brilliant as always this week you're all a credit to this community teamwork makes the dream work what a lovely lovely super chat Daniel and thank you for all your support it doesn't go unnoticed thank you for all your comments and everybody in the community who has been supportive this week i know people have been missing goldbridge he's like the uh the boss of the channel that's does the most shows and everyone's been missing him but he's had a great week away he's landed safely in the uk this morning he's ready to do the presser this afternoon and he's had a lovely time and i think everybody needs that little bit of a reset and i think the community's been really understanding of that so thank you very much pal lynch says well done i'm filling in this week beth preza previously would have been against tony coming in but over the last few months I've changed my mind experience and most importantly Premier League experience and that's a plus there's nothing better pal uh pal Lynch of somebody saying you know what kind of was against that but I've changed my mind some people will die on a hill some people aren't open to changing their mind I feel like I I change my mind quite often and sometimes that can be looked down upon but I think it means you're open to new possibilities you're open to different points of view and the domino effect when things change you can open your mind up so we are going to talk about Tony because I remember way back when and not to not to be that person that's like I told you so because there's plenty of things I've been wrong about and I will hold my hands up and acknowledge that I'm not going to go into detail about them again however way back when I was pitching for Ivan Tony I think it was before Rasmus Hoyland came in actually and I was saying, go and get Ivan Toni.

14:45Premier League experience, he's going to score goals, it's near enough guaranteed. He's at the age where he's in his prime and he's got some really good years ahead of him. People thought, is he a bit too old? Has he got an attitude problem? And I was sat here saying, I've spoken to Brentford's director of football. He's captain of the club. He wouldn't be captain if people didn't respect him in and around the building. Yeah, maybe he has a little bit of arrogance when he's playing, but some of the best players did and do. I mean, I'm not comparing Tony to Cantona in any stretch of the imagination.

15:22Cantona is clear, but Cantona had a bit of an attitude to him. Sometimes when you're a top-level attacker, you have that little bit about you. But Ivan Tony was captain for a reason, and it's because he was very well-respected inside Brentford and was a top professional, I was told. But there was always certain perceptions about him, for sure. And Jared has said, when he's marked back, Jared, I've just told you, he's back for the presser. So, yeah, he will be there. If you're missing him, he'll be back for the press conference and he'll be reacting to that. So make sure you tune in a little bit later.

16:01I think it's about 1.30. You have Yammy says, Treat Tony as an emergency backup. We only loan him, not permanently sign him. he is not for the future but an additional forwards options is great for amory

16:18thank you everyone for all your love and support in the comments he really i really do appreciate doesn't go and notice i love speaking to you guys and i've loved doing the morning shows i really have it feels like you start your day in the right way you're fresh there's new news coming out from the overnight and everyone's just excited to attack the day in the words of gary neville and And it's nice to kind of speak to everyone on an early morning show. I've really enjoyed it. Just checking Ivan Tony's age here. His age is 29. So, yeah, he is a... Do you know what? It actually makes me frustrated.

16:48Because if we would have got him two years ago, probably three years ago. It was three years ago, wasn't it? It was before we got Rasmus Hoyland, I'm pretty sure. Was it before we got Rasmus Hoyland? Could anyone date back when we were very strongly linked to Ivan Tony? I do think it was before we got Rasmus Hoyland. And what year did United sign Rasmus Hoyland? What year did United sign Rasmus Hoyland? We signed Rasmus Hoyland in 2023. Wow. It's nearly three years ago. Crazy. So about two and a half years ago, three years ago. I remember at the time, I think he was like 27 actually, when I was looking at him originally.

17:24That would have been the perfect age to bring him in. And he'd just been flying in the Premier League. And again, it's really not an I told you so thing because I know so many people wanted Ivan Toni and I know there was question marks about him and you never know, it might not have worked out. Hindsight's 20-20. But look at what we've got from the likes of bringing an Mbumo in from Brentford. Well-drilled, hard-working, Premier League side. I'm not saying Toni would have emulated what Brian Mbumo was going to do but you just hit the ground running straight away. Cunha. I know he's been a little bit hit and miss since he came into United but you can just tell he's a quality player.

18:00Wolves, hard-working, Premier League side, comes in straight away, knows what the league's about, hits the ground running. And I think we've missed that opportunity with our strikers for a long time now. It's like Manchester United are allergic to going by and a striker from the Premier League. It really is. Rasmus Hoyland, a prospect. Benjamin Sesko, a prospect. And we keep buying these prospect strikers. And don't get me wrong, I really, really, really hope Benjamin Sesko turns into the player that we scouted. And I do want to trust Christopher Vervell because he's got a great track record. but at United sometimes you need to come in and you need to hit the ground running straight away it's such a pressurising position in the team the striker and the goalkeeper there's so much pressure on them and we've got two young players in both positions Sonny Lamans just seems to be like nothing can faze him Benjamin Sesko he's adapting to the Bundesliga and he's a young player he's a young player that's adapting so you can't expect the world from him straight away people talk about Erling Haaland he's an exception he's an absolute robot So I think sometimes people get carried away.

19:05And I've seen something before. You can tweet on X, oh, I really fancy pancakes this morning for breakfast. And someone will reply saying, what do you have against waffles? Why do you hate waffles so much? And I feel like saying, I think we should go for an experienced Premier League proven striker. People will react to that and say, why are you not giving Sesco a chance? Why are you already getting on to Sesco's back? Wait to judge Sesco. And I will be the first person to stand up and say, Sesco needs a season, at least. I've seen some really promising signs from him. I've also seen some things that are like, he needs time.

19:41He needs adjustment period. He looks like he's like one second behind everything because he's adjusting to a faster-paced league, a more physical league. It does look like he needs to strengthen up a little bit. But that's all going to come in time. While you've got a 22-year-old striker who genuinely has the attributes to go to the top and I'm excited for that. Christopher Vavelle has scouted him and pushed for him and he's got a really good track record. I'm excited for Cesco. However, I generally think it would benefit both him and United if you brought in an experienced Premier League striker to one, showing the ropes and give him someone to actually train with in striker practice and for two, take on a little bit of that pressure for now.

20:25a lot of outside noise will be saying United need an out-and-out goalscorer where are the goals coming from the striker needs to step up and then Bumo's providing absolutely Kuhn you can provide I know that Amory wants to share the goals of course we do but if you put all that pressure on Zasesco being the only striker he's got to give pressure to him and it just builds and builds and builds we've gone down this road before where we bring in an inexperienced striker who's got potential Rasmus Hoyland PSG were trying to go for it at the time, and Rasmus Holland started in Napoli really well. There's a player in there.

20:59There's absolutely a player in there. But we threw him into the deep end with no support whatsoever and forced him to play every game because we had nobody else. I don't want the same to happen to Benjamin Sesko. I want Benjamin Sesko to be nurtured. I want him to have time. I want him to learn the ropes. And if you brought in the likes of an Ivan Toni at 29, people might sit back and say, 29, it's too old. No, it's really not. if you have him on a three-year deal, Sesco's 25 by the time Ivan Toney's deal's up. 25, ready to come into his prime and hit the ground running. And I'm not saying he won't play until he's 25.

21:35He'll get plenty of game time. That little bit of help and support could really, really, really go a long way. And it's like we're allergic of having competition for places. It's like we're allergic to having a player who's over the age of 25 years old. As long as they're on a decent deal, they can really do a job for you. And that's not surprising why we're linked to Harry Kane. do I think Harry Kane will come to us? If we don't have Champions League football absolutely not if we do if he wants to go and break the Alan Shearer goal record there actually is a potential there but don't be fearful of a striker coming in just because they're on the wrong side the wrong side of a 20 going towards the big 3-0 because if they're on the right contract and you don't put them on a five year deal on 350 grand a week then they can really benefit the rest of the squad the dressing room and the now Ruben Amram has stated he wants players for the now.

22:25And I know we're always thinking about the future. But how do we win games now? I love Aidan Heaven. I think he's going to be a top left-sided centre-back in the near future. But Luke Shaw, who's nearly 30, is for the now. He's for the now. He's more likely to win you a game now. Look at the midfield. I really want to bring in an Elliot Anderson and an Angelo Stiller in the summer. But currently, we've got Bruno and Casimiro playing there. They can't go on forever, but they can do a job. you've got players who can come in and do a job for you who aren't super super super young and raw and Anderson still aren't young and raw to be fair they will come in and they will start straight away but we have young and raw players in the squad that need to be helped by senior players and then they can gallop off into the future into the distance and be the top top level players because they've had that help they've had that support they've seen the players go there and do it so yeah we you've got to stop thinking we need the next 20 year old we need the next 19 year old of course we want young players for the future but for them to be successful in the future we need to get back into champions league we need to climb the table and again that's why I was an advocate of Ollie Watkins in the summer and don't get me wrong I'm not absolutely gutted we've not got Ollie Watkins I don't think he's the absolute top level striker that we'd look for he was probably more of a just here and now signing for the next few years but you've got a walk before you can run.

23:45United finishing 15th last season. How do we now get into European football? And this season, I think the expectation was probably Europa League. I'd like to push for further. Season after that, how do we make it comfortable? Comfortable in the Champions League. And then season after that, how are we winning the Premier League? And each level of player will help us along our way. And you need the now to get us to the next step. And then the players that are young and raw now might be ready to go and then take us to the final step of the Premier League. So it's about having that age cycle within the squad.

24:18And I think sometimes we get so focused on the age of a player, but you need players who are going to be able to perform week in, week out now to win games. So yeah, that is my take on that. Someone's mentioned how old was Robin Van Persie when we signed him. Exactly, you know what I mean? How old was Robin Van Persie when we signed him? He wasn't young, but we'll have a look at that for sure. United fan says Beth Stiller would be 30 mil do you think we could get him in Jan because he wants to come I'll get on to Stiller in a second just on the Ivan Toni stuff by the way this is the actual news I got so enthralled in our conversation and getting it out about Ivan Toni that I forgot to actually tell you the news that's coming in so this is the news Ali Stryker Ivan Toni is considering taking a 50 % salary cut in order to move back to the Premier League to aid his chances for playing for England at the World Cup.

25:10Tony believes he needs to return to a higher level to give him any chance of making Thomas Tuchel's squad next summer. So that is the news coming out. Ivan Tony really wants to go to the World Cup. That's a big thing for players. And he's willing to potentially cut 50 % of his salary at Al Ali to get a Premier League move to put him in Thomas Tuchel's plans. To me, that sounds like an ambitious player. he's 29 currently and again not saying he's going to be Robin Van Persie at all Robin Van Persie is just a legend in my opinion Robin Van Persie 29 years old when Sir Alex Ferguson signed him to go and win a Premier League title 29 we've got a and that was over a decade ago was it?

26:03we signed him in 20 what did we sign him in 2012? 2012? Yeah, it was over a decade ago for sure. So that was when players actually were finishing their careers a little bit younger. Now, players go on for a bit older as well. So because of all the new technology, because of the fitness and because of everything, we keep getting better in every department in life, don't we? I mean, some would say. Some would say we don't. someone would say it was better back in the day but you have more longevity nowadays because of all the advanced technology and equipment and he was 29 when we signed him we don't always have to focus on age Ivan Tony is currently 29 you put him on a three-year deal on half of his current wage then you could be looking at a really good option to take the burden off Sesco now help him and he's primarily proven and he's got a point to prove look there's nothing there's nothing better than when a player has a point to prove.

27:05If we sign him in January, he's going to be trying to get into Thomas Tuchel's England team. So he's going to be working his absolute socks off every single week to go and score goals, to go and put himself in the shop window, to go and try and get himself out there so Thomas Tuchel cannot ignore him. So if you look at Ivan Toni in that aspect, not only are you bringing in someone who has previously worked with Brian Embiimer, they were excellent together at Brentford, they've already got a relationship, I mean, imagine them two linking up again. You've got someone in who knows the Premier League and is experienced and been through all levels of the tiers of English football, has been around the block, has come through multiple different scenarios.

27:48So he's got that bit between his teeth. He's fighting for an England sport. You've got a really hungry player there, a really hungry player. I think this could be a good deal. I've always liked Ivan Toni. I've always think he's a good player. I know a lot of you guys are probably going to go in on me for this and say, why are you going back down this Ivan Tony rabbit hole? We don't want him. I do want him. And I think, I've just made my pitch to you guys. Have I been successful in it? Have I convinced you anymore that we should go and get Ivan Tony in January? We absolutely need a January forward signing, in my opinion.

28:21Someone who can support Benjamin Sesko. If we don't get one, I don't think it would be the absolute end of the world because it is only one game a week. But if an opportunity like this arises, I'd absolutely go for it. So just a little bit on Tony. From 2020 to 2024, he had 128 appearances for Brentford and scored 67 goals. So definitely not shy of scoring any goals for Brentford in the Premier League. And since he joined Al-Ali in 2024, 37 appearances, 28 goals. So the goals definitely aren't drying up. And he's managed to take that league by storm. Not every player is successful in the Saudi league, by the way.

29:01That goes over there. But he's done really well. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the Saudi league is on par with the Prem. It's nowhere near. However, I do think it's not absolutely cut and dry that you can just go there and score 30 goals a season. There is some players that haven't, some good players that haven't been able to make a success of it. So Tony's four-year deal landed him on a basic pay of around£400 ,000 a week after tax. it is understood add-ons and performance related bonuses will take his salary towards£500 ,000 across his contract. So United would probably have to, if he says willing to half his contract, you're looking at around£200 ,000 a week, aren't you?

29:38Would you sign Ivan Toney on£200 ,000 a week for three years? And if you're asking me if I think he's worth£200 ,000 a week, I'd probably say yeah. I'd probably say yeah. For what he could provide, I'd probably say yeah. About£180 ,000. If you look at our wage bill, about 180, I'd probably say I'd put Ivan Tony on. Savage says 50 % means 250 grand a week. Yeah, if you say 250 grand a week is half of 500k, yeah. But we don't know if Ivan Tony is just going to be like, it has to be half or else I'm not doing it. You could offer him a little bit lower than that and he might take it. So I'm just kind of looking around a realistic scenario for Manchester United.

30:24Ian Tracy says we've been here before under the glazes where the club won't push to get a player in January to help the team kick on Ineos need to change this and if they did change it they'd get a lot of respect off the fan base and they'd get a lot of applauders they've already changed a lot with our recruitment team it's the best thing Ineos have done since they've come in the best thing Ineos have done since they've come in is improve our recruitment strategy so we're not a laughing stock in the transfer windows and we actually are recruiting way better profiles of players for a better cost and they are adjusting our wage bill, which is going to help us provide money to buy more players that suit the way Amarim wants to play and are actually going to be good signings for the long term.

31:02And obviously the revamp and regeneration of Carrington just looks top class and we need to be best in class in every area. So they have done some good in EOS, of course they have. There's been questionable at times, yes, but they have shown how they can be different and way better than the Gleasers. and if they push for improvements in January, and I'm not talking bit part players that we're going to regret signing because I don't want to do that. If we're signing someone, I want to be absolutely sure that they are going to be positive for this team for the future. But I do think if they actually show that they're willing to boost Amarim's charge for Champions League football in January, they'll really show themselves of being them ambitious co-owners that are really thinking about the football inside of this football club and better than what we've had previously, which isn't hard to do, to be honest with you.

31:53The one thing I would say with Ivan Tony is if he does leave, I think there's something about Saudi, I'd have to go and look it up, but there's something about Saudi where if you leave within a certain time period, I think it's under a year, you have to pay quite a big tax bill on your return back to England because he's been earning tax-free over there, whereas with England, there is quite a hefty tax bill, everyone. I mean, if you live in the UK, you would know. Frustrating. So there's something to do with the tax where Ivan Tony would actually have to pay quite a big tax bill, which is another thing to add into the equation.

32:33He clearly wants to go to England, though. So for Ivan Tony, I think if he puts it out there, he's willing to take a wage cut to come back to the Premier League. I do think clubs will be interested. I think Manchester United would be interested and we should be interested. But how much money is he willing to miss out on for a chance of going to the World Cup with England? And that's the question and deliberation that Ivan Toni will have to do with himself. Do I want to go and follow my dreams of potentially winning a World Cup and competing in a World Cup? But I'm going to have to pay quite a bit of money out.

33:06Or do I want to continue earning nearly half a million a week tax-free? and that's the question that Ivan Tony will have to ponder I suppose what would you do if you were in that situation would you cut your wage and come back and try and get into the England squad to go to the World Cup or would you keep earning the massive amount of money every week what would you actually do if it was you I'd love to know I mean if it was the opportunity to come to United I'd be on my way back without a second thought but Tony I don't think he's a United fan originally there I actually think he's an Arsenal fan originally so I mean you can't discount how much of an honour it is to actually just put on that United shirt as well it really is an honour for a lot of players to say you've played for Manchester United you've been a Manchester United player go down in history sometimes we forget that is a big big pulling factor as we've seen previously as well got a couple more of your comments to bring in here and I want to see the results of the Ivan Tony poll as well it is here in the comments would you take Ivan Tony in January yes 66 % no 34 % have I convinced you have I convinced you I feel like I'm starting to convince some people or maybe you guys have just come to that conclusion based on the fact that we need someone a little bit more experienced uh Beth Adeyemi more okay for United than Semenyo I mean we've been linked to Adeyemi a lot but I don't think there's too much in it if you ask me who would I rather currently it'd be Semenyo but Adi Amy's definitely a interesting prospect it's the falling out with the manager that puts me off to be honest with you uh small loan fee and 120 to 150k a week says Neil McGale I don't know if Ali would want to do a loan that's something that you'd have to explore but that's that's not the news that has been put out there the news is that it'd be a permanent deal not a loan deal I don't think Ali would maybe be open to be being like, oh yeah, you know what, we'll pay most of your wage or if you want to cut your own wage, that's fine for six months to try and get you in the England squad and us not have a player.

35:12They're not going to have, you know, they're not going to let people rinse them. They all want the best for their football club. So I don't think that Ali would be up for that loan move, but it'd be great if United. Not worth 200 grand a week for his experience and the amount of goals he'd score based on our wage bill. I would say he probably is Lawrence says Old Trafford is a graveyard for centre forwards Is it because we've Not invested in the right ones I do agree we've got to create more chances Absolutely and that's been an issue for years But look at what Ronaldo did And I know it's Cristiano Ronaldo Cristiano Ronaldo, an experienced goal scorer One of the best goal scorers If not the best goal scorer of all time I have to admit But he was an experienced player and in a terrible, terrible United team scored many goals and still got criticised.

36:08So it's a tough job, of course it is, for any striker coming in. Savage says, Tony's not taking anything less than£250 ,000 a week. Well, when you've got an England World Cup opportunity coming up, you never know. I do think it'd be around£200 ,000 a week, but let's see. Just with the contractual clauses, I have got a little bit of information on that. So with the contractual clauses with Saudi, many Saudi deals include clauses that backload wages and bonuses, which are only paid if the player stays for the full duration. Leaving early means forfeiting a significant portion of his potential income.

36:45Financial repercussions. Agents have noted that the cost of leaving early would have to be accounted for in negotiations, suggesting potential buyout clauses or recompensation payments to the club. And with the tax implications, players returning to countries with a progressive tax system, such as the UK, could face unexpectedly large tax liabilities if their departure is not carefully managed, potentially nullifying any financial gains from the move. So it just depends really on whether his agent could get him out of there without losing loads of money. It's a difficult deal. The more you look into it financially, it's difficult.

37:26But if you just ask me straight up on a footballing sense, Ivan Tony, three-year deal, 29 years old, experience for Benjamin Sesko, Premier League proven, got that connection with Brian and Boomer, would I take him at United? Yes. Yes. Would he improve our front line? Yes. would he start? I think so. And he would help Benjamin Zesko progress into the top level striker that I think he can be. So I would take him for sure. Sad Sack says, and I don't mind because everyone's entitled to your own opinion. Beth, your past picks on signing have been awful. Have they? Have they been awful? Because the only awful pick on signing that I've ever done is Onana.

38:03And I stand by that now. One bad pick out of how many years I've been on the United stand, I don't think is bad going. I was advocating for Brian Imbumo for I think a year before he came in at United if not longer was he a bad pick? Was he a bad pick? Cunha is another one I know a lot of people wanted these players but I wanted him ages ago I wanted Ivan Toni before we went and got Rasmus Hoyland and I do think he would have been more successful people will say you wanted Mason Mount if Mason Mount could stay fit he'd be a fantastic player for us unfortunately he can't stay fit it's not my fault he's injury prone so and we didn't know the full details of his medical record so with my picks have been awful that is you just being extreme there's one pick that's been awful and that's Andre and Arnett and I will say this till the day I die on this show I said David Ryer was my first pick and you all laughed at me not all of you because I don't want to categorize you all but the community laughed at me what you want about david ryan isn't good uh and david ryan now he's probably one of the best keepers in the league i also want to do a good costa then when them options became unattainable and we got linked to onana i was open to the idea i regret it i absolutely do regret it onana was terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible but not everyone gets everything 100 right so i'm not having this every all your picks have been bad I've had some really good transfer picks for United in the past.

39:36And I'm not even bigging myself up or two to my own horn. But this Onana thing haunts me to this day. It was a bad one. I'll admit that. But there's been other good ones. So, yeah. That's all she wrote on that one. Jill Bennett says, don't forget Cavani. He was great for us. He was experienced and we finished second that year. Tony could do similar. Thank you, Jarl and Bennett. Cavani. Edison Cavani. Gimme, gimme, gimme. it's honestly he was give it give it give it Teddy Cavani he was honestly fantastic and he was so frustrating how injury prone he was and how how much of his time he spent in the medical room but who are the right okay I'll put it to you this way I'll put it to you this way within the last decade in Manchester United who are the best performing strikers within the last decade who are the best performing strikers in Manchester United.

40:35And I'll tell you straight off the bat, Cristiano Ronaldo, Edison Cavani and Zlatan Ibrahimovic. All three of which were experienced, been around the block and knew how to score goals. United keep going for the youth prospect and hoping they're just going to come in and turn into Cristiano Ronaldo without any help. They're just going to turn into Edison Cavani without any help. Edison Cavani, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo all learnt off players that were more experienced than them when they were young. We brought them to the place that they were. You're not going to be able to develop a player if you bring them in at 22 with a lot of attributes and just say, there you go.

41:22Go and play up front for United for 90 minutes and score a few goals. No pressure. Give them help. Give them the likes of Edison Cavani to learn off in training. Give them the likes of somebody to learn off and help them develop. So, yeah, it's just, for me, we've got to help our younger players. It's really, really important. Van Persie. When did Van Persie leave the club? We're in 2025. When did Van Persie leave? I said the last decade, the last 10 years, so was he still here? I don't think he was. Was he? I'd have to... If he left in 2014, which I think he did, then the last decade, he actually doesn't make that bracket, so don't catch me out.

42:09Oh, he left... Was it... Okay, it was... I'm just gonna... Yeah, I think it was... I think it was 20... 2015? 2014, in 2015 if you want to extend it by an extra year to make it 11 years and absolutely you had Van Percy in but guess what still fits still fits what I said experienced striker been there done it got the t-shirt it's where we've been going wrong guys in my opinion a few people said Rashford come on Rashford's not an out and out striker he's got a lot better with age and now he's in terms of actually no he didn't get a lot better with age he's he's been up and down he's been on like a really good back down again really good back down again now he's at Barcelona at 28 he looks like he's really settling and he's doing really well and I'm nothing but happy for him I hope he continues to smash it as he goes into into that lead up towards 30 because this is like your prime years now for you to go out there and and really kind of rip it up so Rashford's been up and down but the way he actually played as a centre-forward, it's not a patch on Ronaldo Cavani, Ibrahimović or Van Persie.

43:19And do not get me wrong, I loved, loved with all my heart Anthony Martial. Loved him. Anthony Martial, in my opinion, got overhated and criticised so unfairly. He was class, but again, I don't think he was managed properly. I think he was a left winger and I don't think we should have converted him into a striker. He could do a job there, but he was electric down the left wing. So, yeah, I love Martial. Absolute class player. Class player. But is he an out and out centre forward? No. He's more of that false nine facilitator type player. Can play off the less. Can play across the front three. He's versatile.

44:01What a player though. What a player, honestly. Loved him. Loved him. I've got like three Martial shirts at home. but remember guys as well tonight Bundesliga and that's football brings you Mainz vs Hoffenheim 7.15 stream starts for a 7.30 kick off make sure you are there tonight Goldbridge is back he's doing the presser but he's also doing Bundesliga live match on your screens on that's football of Mainz vs Hoffenheim with Goldbridge watching it along with you and then Saturday on that's football you have Burnley vs Chelsea kicking off that Premier League weekend at 12.30 who you captain on FPL you are going boring with Harland again or you're captaining someone different let me know at 5 30 Newcastle versus Man City that evening Newcastle Newcastle could be in trouble if they lose that to Man City having a really poor start to the season considering the team they've got as well benefits us because they're a competition for Elliot Anderson in the summer so hopefully they can stay away from European football we can get European football and lure Elliot Anderson to the theatre of dreams I think City will win it is it St James's though which will make it a little bit more difficult and then Sunday 4.30 North London Derby Arsenal versus Spurs who's gonna win that one let me know what you think anyway just to kind of finish off on the show we got I say finish off still got about 10 minutes to go really we have Angelo Stiller so this is coming in from Defensive Central a outlet in Spain and they have stated that Stuttgart midfielder Angelo stiller would prefer to join Real Madrid over a move to Manchester United horrible why on earth would you want to go to Real Madrid over Manchester United I could never ever know and if you can't pick up on sarcasm then God help you but on a genuinely serious note I back United to win most transfer races if you're kind of using stature of the club United for me is the biggest club in the world for me it's absolutely the biggest club in England but Real Madrid is competing for the biggest club in the world and they're winning all the biggest titles consistently it's really tough to compete with Madrid based on what they've done in the last decade compared to what United have done in the last decade United for me they're kind of competing with each other to be the biggest club in the world but Madrid's been way more successful way more successful and some players want to go and live in the spanish weather they want the heat on the on the backs they want to have that way of life they want that lifestyle look if i lost a transfer race to liverpool i'd be pretty good if i lost one to city i'd be fuming if i lost one to arsenal be pretty gutted but at the moment with the way arsenal are going they are further along in their project from us you can kind of understand it if i lost one to real madrid yeah I'd be frustrated because Angelo Stiller is a really really good option his release clause is fantastic and he's super super talented I think he's going to be a really top midfielder great age to bring in I think he'd be the perfect player to kind of bring in especially to kind of be the Bruno Fernandes successor in the future and play that eight role in the way that it should be played in an Amarim system.

47:22I think he'd be great. However, if I lost the race to Real Madrid, sometimes you've just got to say, they've won more than us in the last decade and they are one of the biggest clubs in the world, if not the biggest. You kind of just have to sit back and say, that's the player's decision. When you've got a release clause like that and Madrid are willing to trigger it and United are willing to trigger it, it's up to the player and it just depends where he wants to go. So with Angelo Stiller, it might not actually be his release clause that you're getting for because there's a there's a there's a clause where Stuttgart can pay like two million euros I think it is to they can buy it out for for a clause of two million euros and Stiller can't reject it but I still think it'll go for around 40 million pounds if they do that it'll probably go for around 40 million pounds i think angelo stiller i'd be gobsmacked if he went for more than 50 and for a player of that quality a lot of clubs are going to be lining up angelo stiller was linked to real madrid quite a bit ago as well i think they seem i saw a report that said that they seem as a long-term tony cruz replacement which is i mean what a compliment tony cruz one of the best midfielders i've ever seen honestly in my lifetime so what a compliment there i'm still gutted that we didn't get Tony Cruz back in the day under Louis van Hal.

48:42But I digress. I digress. If we miss out on Angelo Stiller, I'd be gutted because it is a cheap midfielder, a cheaper midfielder that is still of the top quality, which allows us to offload a bit more money onto the Anderson deal if needs be. So I said this a few weeks ago. My top picks for the summer would have been Angelo Stiller and Elliot Anderson if I was buying too if i miss out on still i'll be a bit gutted we have to go and get anderson there's still some some really good names in the mix but believe is going to be super expensive and i don't think we should break the british transfer record for him currently based on his form war and it's going to be really expensive and he might even sign a new deal which will make it even harder so there's there's options of course there is joe gomez is one that's been floated about he might be getting relegated potentially which make him a cheap option but angelo stiller for that technical ability that progressive passing the press resistance that he has for around 40 million he'd be a brilliant buy and i'd be gutted if he went elsewhere however we did manage to get lenny oro off madrid didn't we but that's because madrid wanted to get him on a free and we were willing to pay the money so we did manage to get that deal so yeah it's one of them with madrid you can't really argue with it can you unfortunately uh could this open the door though i wrote this under my notes and i'm sort of laughing at it now i'm watching looking at it again could this open the door for Chiuamini to Man United because if Angelo Sillo went there okay yeah they're different characters their mid different profiles their midfield is becoming more and more stacked and Chiuamini has been linked to Manchester United quite a lot this week would it open the door it's just a question I post to you I don't think it would I don't think Madrid want to sell him whatsoever but they could just be playing hardball there was a little bit from Ben Jacobs that United of course appreciate the play but Madrid don't want to let him go at all and if you know they wouldn't even entertain offers for 100 million plus so i don't see shu amini being a realistic target for manchester united in the summer but i wrote it down as sort of a question point because madrid are looking at midfielders and what does that mean for their current midfielders as well uh just a little bit on i mean let me see if there's any super chats from you guys also how we feeling about how we feeling about the everton game in old trafford i might captain and boom on FPL.

50:58Again, I've captained him the last three weeks. I might captain him just so I have something to look forward to on the Monday. I mean, United are playing, which is fantastic. But we're at home. I'm feeling a win. They will give us problems, Everton, though. They will give us problems. And Di is fantastic. Grealish is really good as well. They've got some good players in that team. And Moyse, Moyse's a go-to-the-Premier League, isn't he? He can set up a team to come and cause you a few issues. However, I do actually believe that we will win that game. I think everyone's gone off an international break.

51:31They've had some really good games for their countries. Everyone's on fire. Senna Lyman's did brilliant in his debut for Belgium. Bruno scored a hat-trick. Dogu scored. Other players have been doing really well too. So I think everyone's going to come back fit and fire. And we're at Old Trafford. The fans are going to be behind us. I think we will get the win. Might just captain Mbumo for the thrill of it all. St James' Park for Haaland. will he do it will he bag probably will he's a robot isn't he but let me know what you would do uh but just i wanted to bring this thing right at the end and i noted it it's what abram said on and die so he likes to name drop some players and this is what he said he said they everton are really compact you can see the results you need to see the games to understand that three nil against tottenham shakes head if you see it's the set pieces i think jack grealish is doing really well he can push that team give weight to that team and and die is an amazing player they can put James Garner as right back but also Jake O 'Brien I think it's going to be a tough game and it's because of set pieces as well so he's name dropped Grealish, Garner, Jake O 'Brien and then die there for Everton and do you remember when he name dropped Cunha and for Nottingham Forest the other week I think he name dropped Gibbs White and Hudson-Odoi and Elliot Anderson Elliot Anderson were after in the summer he likes a little name drop Ruben Amarim and I'm not saying United are going to be going getting Ndai in the summer because he plays in the position that Mbumo does and we are quite stacked in that area and he's I don't know if we will go for that kind of play if we were going to get another forward in however I always find it really interesting when Ruben Amriot name drops these players and I've watched a lot of Everton this season I've watched a lot of Everton Jack Grealish is absolutely killing it he's a quality player I remember that time on X a while ago I got absolutely rinsed for saying he should be in the World Cup squad.

53:24He's fantastic. He's fantastic. It's not all about goals and assists. Yes, OK, they're great and they help win your games, but I feel like Ricky here, it's about how the team plays and he just makes a team play so well. He's a quality football player and then Dai is just fantastic. Just speaking, lastly, I'll leave you with this question. On James Garner, who has also been name-dropped, on a free transfer in the summer, would you take him? His contract expires in June 2026. Would you take him as a midfield option on a free transfer? He's doing really well for Everton at the minute. David Moyes can't stop talking about how good he is.

53:55Maybe that's because he wants him to sign a new deal. But there is some options out there. Ex-Manchester United Academy player, I think, did really well at Forest and now he's absolutely smashing it at Everton. Do I think he comes in and starts every game? No. Do I think he could be a squad player that knows what the club's about and add something to the depth of our squad when we have got European football, hopefully. It's always fit, physically fit, good engine on him. let me just check his age quickly

54:28he is James Garner footballer actor always comes up when I type in James Garner he's 24 he's 24, by the way he's better than Ugari he's better than Ugari we paid 60 mil for Ugari and let James Garner go under Ten Hag and that's another one maybe I got a little bit wrong there, I was really pitching for Ugari to come, I still think there's a player a new guy but he's just nowhere to be seen at the moment is he anyway i am digressing here so i'm going to leave you all with that to ponder get your comments in get your votes in please remember that goldbridge is back for the presser he's back so make sure you tune in to see what amram has to say will you name drop anybody else before that everton game that happens 8 p.m on monday night be here or be square on the united stand it is countdown to kickoff at 6 p.m and then an 8 p.m kickoff.

55:18Goldbridge will be live for the watch along back with you at 7.30 and like I said earlier on in the show so much football to get into on That's Football starting with the Bundesliga tonight. Mains versus Hoffenheim 7.15 the stream starts 7.30 kickoff. You're watching the game live on That's Football with Goldbridge commentating alongside you. Then all the Premier League games I mentioned earlier this weekend as well. Make sure you stay tuned. Thank you everyone for putting up with me on the morning shows this week i have loved it i have loved speaking with the community i've loved discussing all things man united and you know what they always say international breaks are boring but i've had an absolute ball of a time with you guys on these shows and i think we've got into a lot of important important topics so thank you for staying with me thank you for showing love on the videos and yeah i can't wait to be back with you on monday night to see united back in action thank you everyone for watching and i will see you on the next one

56:16Thank you.