248: Amorim's RUTHLESS Bruno Decision! Stiller AND Guirassy Transfer Latest!

0:00Hello everybody, good morning and welcome to the United Stands. I'mott Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester Manchester United. news. How are we all doing? Lots to get into as well this morning as Ruben Amirim makes a big decision about Bruno Fernandes' future at Manchester United. Also United linked with Garassi. Why we chose Cesco over Jochrez on data. I mean, I thought Jochrez chose Arsenal over us, but we'll delve into that. Also, an interesting piece coming in from the Times around Sir Jim Radcliffe and how long he thinks it's going to take for Ruben Amirim to get back on top. Anana would like to be coming back to Manchester United, where would still like to be going, and a few other bits as well.

0:38So a very busy morning this morning. So welcome to the show, as per usual, on the United Stand every morning at 10am. We're going to start off with this Bruno story, but I feel like there was something I wanted to do that I've completely forgotten before I went live. I think I didn't forget. No, I didn't forget. Good stuff. Good stuff. my first hey bear with me it's my first morning show in in quite a long time so um well not even a week really but still feeling the effects of potential jet lag as well but i want to start off with this story about bruno fernandez um there is a story about bruno fernandez that was quite interesting actually that came out from the times at a bar in a team hotel in kuala lumpur at the end of last season former united goalkeeper lee grant called an old colleague about after after landing the Huddersfield town job.

1:27Bruno grabbed the phone and joked, he's not coming to Huddersfield with you. He's coming with me to Saudi. Ultimately, Bruno did decide to turn down the 700 ,000 a week deal he was offered. I mean, I don't know whether you can read anything into that. I mean, Bruno did seriously consider going to Saudi last summer. I think we all know that. Some of us wish he had took it. Some of us wish he didn't do it, but he's still at Manchester United. But interestingly, uh the story coming out this morning and i'm just trying to find it here uh oh god don't tell me you need to do better i need to do better here like i literally had this and um how can the how can the title of the show how can i not have the piece of story that i was going to talk about um yeah that's that's pretty piss poor to be honest i've got to reprimand myself here this is really bad okay well i did read it this morning i didn't sleep it i didn't sleep through it so effectively um what what the story was saying this morning and i think it was coming in from team talk i think it pretty much was them was that bruno fernandez uh ruben amram has made a decision that in the longer term i.e after this season he would be willing to move bruno fernandez on and rebuild his midfield potentially bringing two midfielders in and replace a bruno fernandez now this is not something that's going to happen in the January transfer window, as we know.

2:50As we know, Casemiro is probably going to go in the summer as well. And if Bruno is going to go, that's our starting midfield gone. Whether that's a good idea or a bad idea, I mean, open that for the discussion. But I think it goes hand in hand with what the piece was in The Times, where it basically said that Sir Jim Radcliffe is happy with the job that Ruben Amrim is doing so far. And there is a widely held view that he should only be judged after another two transfer windows when the squad will look more like one of his own rather than a blend of players inherited from previous regimes. So I think that, look, there has to be an element of long-termism in what we're trying to do.

3:29And we remember a couple of international breaks ago, Jim Radcliffe was talking about three years. This latest article is talking about two transfer windows. I don't think that's January transfer windows because I think Man United are a laughable football club let's let's let's let's call it that they're laughable in how they ignore January transfer windows um arrogant naive stupid moronic call it what you like but I don't think that's to do with January transfer windows so I don't think we judge Amorim at the start of next season I don't think that's what Sir Jim Radcliffe's talking about which would be two transfer windows time I think he's talking about this summer transfer window coming up and the one after that So basically what Sir Jim Radcliffe is saying, we don't need to judge Amorim until not this season, not next season, but the start of the season after that, which is basically two years away.

4:20Because I think they're talking about two summer transfer windows, which is preposterous really, because a proper football club does do stuff in the January transfer window, but that's by the by. But if Ruben Amrim is of that mindset that he has got that support from Sir Jim Radcliffe, and why wouldn't he believe that? Then there's literally nothing sensational about Bruno Fernandes being in the end game at Manchester United, because Bruno Fernandes is not going to be at Man United in two years time. He's just not. It's very, very obvious. He isn't a midfielder. That's not going to last forever.

4:51And he's clearly not a number 10. And I think more and more it's becoming very clear what Ruben Amrim's plan at Manchester United actually is this season. It's Operation Champions League with short-termism. Casemiro won't be here next year, and yet he's our best midfielder. Bruno Fernandes might not be here next season, and he is our captain. So two players there straight away. And I think that has to be part of the longer term vision is that this openness to go, OK, this is this for now. But next year, we're not going to do that. And it's not necessarily a bad thing for Casemiro and Bruno Fernandes.

5:30It's not like we're using them. I mean, God, that's preposterous as well. The fact that we're using Bruno and Casemiro to get Champions League football and then we're going to jettison them out of the football club. Yeah, we're losing, we're using a couple of players that are on 300 grand a week and we'll literally go and earn that or earn more than that somewhere else. I mean, Bruno and Casemiro will be absolutely fine next season. One of them is going to double their money. So the short termism works both ways. I personally think in this summer, Bruno was going to go to Saudi and the only reason he didn't was his family wasn't quite ready.

6:02And Man United begged him to stay and it was all about let's just do another year. And I think that that's what will happen. So I see this as good news. You know, I'm convinced Casemiro is going based on what I was told before I went to New York. On Bruno, I would still say if we get Champions League football, he might want to stay and play Champions League football. But United would need to be a little bit more direct on that one and say, yeah, well, look, thanks. But no thanks. We don't want you to stay and play Champions League football. We're rebuilding the midfield. You're not going to start and you're not going to start as a number 10 either.

6:33So and you're not going to be captain. So it's time to go. And that's how Man United should be working. And I know I can see people in the chat already, you know, typically that's absolutely expected that you're going to get these types of confirmations, of course. But I also think that it's, you know, without doubt, as Malik said, there'll be a time to go. There is nothing wrong with the volume. There is nothing wrong with the volume. Can we delete or time out volume, people? because we're actually trying to have a morning show here and there's nothing wrong with it. Welcome to the members club, Jokers, who's been a member for 41 months.

7:14And should United sign Travis Head on loan at left wing backs is Enchanted. Okay, we'll move on. Thank you everybody on my first morning show back for talking utter shikes. I appreciate that. I'll carry on with the show. But look, with Bruno Fernandes, I believe that we have to live in now and in the future. And some people can't do this. And maybe some people haven't worked in organisations where that happens but I have you have a team for the now and you have a team for the future and the mindset of you know some people is they can't deal with that they can't deal with niche little levels of a conversation and I'm very happy and comfortable with the fact that Amrim's midfield at the moment is Bruno and Casemiro but next season it can't be so I literally sit there and go I hope they have a really good season for us but there's nothing they can do this year that makes me want them to be there next year you know literally do not keep them next season get rid of them both of them need to go and i think we're probably working towards that in in the case of i think that casimiro's gone um i read something this morning about sancho and casimiro being gone and the amount of money that they're going to save from that which is going to be considerable um at least 700 grand a week some are saying 600 grand a week that's that's a ridiculous amount of money across the course of a season you know that's six million pounds every 10 weeks times that by five it's 30 million pounds it's not it's not it's not insignificant to take 30 million pounds back to the football club in the summer so that's going to happen Bruno would add another 15 to 20 million to that as well you know you make you're saving 50 60 million pounds of of wages so you know I'd need to be looking at that and there are changes that need to be made of course so I'm encouraged by this and you know i'm a little bit worried about bruno um amrim's portuguese fascination you know a few people talking about delo um kenshi says delo is the ultimate teacher's pet delo's delo's more problematic like bruno casemiro there will be a queue of clubs wanting them obviously primarily these clubs will be clubs that can afford to pay big wages turkey um um Saudi obviously but where's the cue for Deleu he needs to go as well um uh well Wallata says Maguire should be incoming the conversation I would have disagreed with you on that one uh I've got to say I would have disagreed with you on the Maguire one because of his unique uh experience that he would offer Manchester United but I think the fact that he's picking up so many injuries you know Johnny Evans was a good player to keep around because of his experience of winning premier league titles and we didn't use him very much we don't need to keep harry mcguire around just because he went through some bad times and then came through some good times if he can't play there's no point at the end of the day um absolutely not uh i wouldn't be doing that um let me i've got so much to go through this morning we can we can go back and forward that's absolutely fine but let's talk about um garasi i think this is really interesting story this morning so garasi uh according to i think it's caught offside it came in from but it feeds nicely into the sesco story as well about how man united apparently chose sesco over jokeres so the striker situation at manchester united um hasn't been solved has it let's let's be very clear um you know i don't know that there's many people having this conversation so we'll have it I think it was Gary Neville who said a couple of weeks ago that the jury's out on Sesco and as much as it pains me to say it I think Gary Neville's probably got something right I think the jury is out on Sesco generally Personally, my feeling is that I think Sesco will be a good player for Man United I wouldn't go as far as to say he's definitely going to be a good player for Man United but I don't have any concerns about it He was our fifth or sixth choice centre forward He came in very late.

11:16He is very young. And there has to be a period of adaption. He's now injured as well, which is not his fault. So there are reasons why Sesko may not have hit the ground running. And I think a lot of that comes down to inexperience and being a prospect. but with that you have to also admit that Xerxes is clearly not a solution Rasmus is basically left Obi isn't getting any game time so when it comes to the striker department at Manchester United our best choice at the moment is putting a number 10 there like Kunia or Mbermo so we we have a bit of a striker problem at Manchester United and we should never be so naive as to think that just because we've spent 68 million pounds on a striker that we're going to solve that problem.

12:03So interesting story this morning coming in from Courtois side that Man United are increasingly interested in Dortmund striker Gerasi, who is expected to be available for around€50 million this summer. Arsenal and PSG are also keeping a close eye on the situation. And since joining Dortmund from Stuttgart, Gerasi has scored 45 goals in 65 matches. Now, I'm going to put my hands up before anybody else says anything. Well, we were linked to this player before he went to Dortmund and you didn't want him, Mark. No, I didn't. I didn't because I thought at Stuttgart, it felt like, you know, at that time he would have been, what, you know, 27, maybe 28.

12:40And you looked at the rest of his career and it felt like it was just a bit of a glow up season at Stuttgart. And clearly it wasn't. But all these goals he was scoring in his late 20s, it just felt like there was something a bit of a risk there that United didn't need to take. So I sort of stand by on that, you know, not going for Garassi when he was at Stuttgart because he might be a bit of a risk doesn't mean we got it wrong when we say that we want him now. Because what he's done is he's now gone to Dortmund as well and scored loads of goals, which shows that it wasn't a risk. So Garassi would be interesting.

13:17But of course, the number one issue with Garassi is the price tag for a 29-year-old who's going to be 30 in March. this is the ollie watkins scenario all over again and it leads me to believe that i'm pretty sure that reuben amrim wants an experienced striker who can put the ball in the back of the net hence why jokeres would have been his number one choice but it sort of conflicts with mock man united want to do when you look at sesco we went for de lapp we're in for eketike as well the mid the strikers that we went for in in the summer quite quite quite simply contrasted starkly with each other you've got Watkins and Jocheres who are quite experienced then you've got De Lapp, Eketike and Sesko who aren't quite who aren't and then potentially went for Osserman as well who was experienced so Gaurasi would fall into that experience camp of which it seems like the Ineos model is not to do something like that so I don't know whether look I would I would do a deal like that, but I don't think United will.

14:20And I think at this time, we're sort of starting to walk down the pathway that we did with Rasmus, where you've got this young potential striker shouldering the responsibility of being Man United's forward in a team that doesn't play to a forward strength. And we've seen it with Cesco and we've seen it with Rasmus. And what happens is they're full of running but they don't have the authority to be what an experienced striker would to the players around them you know they're relying on the goodwill of a Bruno or a Cunha or or or or a dog or whoever to put the right ball into the right place for them they're not really able to demand it because they're inexperienced so we're basically chucking work experience up front and then asking them to run the show against people that are more experienced than them.

15:15So I can understand why an experienced striker would be preferred, but United sort of, there's a hypocrisy to our recruitment at the moment because we're not buying players over 26. But when it comes to being a striker, that's the very limit of experience. There aren't many strikers out there that are like 23, 24, 25 that are ridiculously experienced. I mean, obviously we know about Erling Haaland and there are a couple of others, but yeah, I mean, look, Man United probably just being thrown in like we always do for Gerasi. But I think whether we do or are interested in him, I still think it reopens the conversation that we get somebody with some experience, because I think that's something that we've been looking at for a while.

16:02Stuart says we should get rid of Bruno and Casemiro and take Stilla and Anderson next season. Keep up the great work, Marks. Stuart. Well, look, I'm not going to repeat what I said to you yesterday, but I am. I know Beth was talking yesterday about this story that, I think it was coming in from Spain, that Stila would prefer a move to Real Madrid over Manchester United. These are the sort of clubs that will be looking at Stila. And again, that makes it very, very difficult, but we have done these deals. Jor-O, Manchester United, Cunha, Manchester United, Mbamo, Manchester United. There was competition for those players.

16:39They chose Man United. Not everyone's going to do that. But from what I've seen of all the targets we're looking at, Bruno does bring the transitional ball into the midfield. I look at the people like Balaba, Anderson, Wharton. I don't think they've got the transitional ball to the extent of a Bruno or a Stilla. And I think Stilla is the best solution to replace Bruno Fernandes this summer, but it's where the Man United can do that deal. Rub says, morning lads, lads, missed the football. Yeah, it's good to have the football back. Thank you everybody's joining us this morning, of course. Stilla needs, yeah, I'm not reading that.

17:22No business with Dortmund, we'll never forgive Sancho, have a nice day, says Luiz O'Donoghue. and um Lawrence Berry says he's played in a lot of top national and European campaigns Sesco I'd be inclined to look at the players around him yeah but but that is the point isn't it um that is the point he deserves to um be given time and he deserves to be given patience um and he is a prospect so I think with Sesco there that there aren't you know there is going to be people who are concerned but I'm not particularly concerned I still think that we've got a um a very um you know interesting striker there um funnily enough it was mentioned in the times about Sesko this came in from Paul Hurst there is no concern at Man United about Benjamin Sesko at the moment United are satisfied with his movement off the ball and he's so determined to make his mark that he is often at Carrington at 8 30 a.m far earlier than his colleagues I always find that laughable by the way.

18:25You know, over the years, we've heard about this, the low staying behind to practice free kicks. Ronaldo was there early. You know what? It's impressive, but it's not. Because ultimately, I could be the shittest player in that squad and I could turn up at seven, I could stay till seven. Does that mean you want me to start against Everton? Like, you know, some people might call you a beg. It's like training starts at nine, it finishes at five. Some people will turn up at nine and go home at five and they'll be your best players. Some people will turn up at eight and stay till six and they might get injured because they're doing too much.

19:01They might be shit and eager to please. They might have an apple in their bag. You know, they might be determined. It's great. Look, it's good. But ultimately, when you scratch the surface of it, new striker comes to Man United and wants to work hard. Good. Good. I don't think it's newsworthy. I think good. I expect that you're at Manchester United I want players that are hungry and we've heard this about Sesco and his professionalism but that's not going to be the thing that solves this problem the thing that's going to be solving this problem is his adaption to the Premier League and you're not going to get that by getting there at half eight you know it's it's what you do on the field and the team needs to support him with that I think it was a great comment that we just read out Sesko can turn up at 6am and, you know, he can be there 24 hours a day.

19:50But if he doesn't get, if he doesn't adapt to the league and he doesn't get the support from the colleagues around him, it won't matter. I mean, where we are in the league for crosses in the Premier League is bottom off. And yet we've probably got the tallest striker in the Premier League. It's hard to think of a taller striker than Sesko. and we're not even in the top half of the table for crosses into the box. These are the things that people might think it's a little bit too simplistic, but it's glaringly obvious. It also goes on to say that Manchester United, this is interesting. This is what I call interesting because this is how things can get manipulated.

20:31It's almost like when I woke up yesterday morning, there was a little compilation of tackles by Luke Shaw on the Man United official socials. and it was like Luke Shaw deserves his flowers. And I thought, you know what? I know how this football club works. That is just PR. That is just PR for a player where somebody sat in the data room and gone, you know, Luke Shaw's doing really well at the moment, but his popularity, we're looking at the polls and in popularity, loads of people still want to get rid of him. We could really do with boosting his post. And don't say to me that Man United don't do that because they were doing it 10 years ago.

21:04They had a guy at the football club that was, he was an American, I can't remember his name, and he was analysing social media themes about players who weren't doing that well and players that were doing that well and players that weren't doing that well, i.e. that weren't that popular, they would look at ways to boost their popularity off the pitch. And I'm sure that that sort of thing is around what I'm about to talk about.

21:33One in. One.

21:59And what I'm about to talk about is that Manchester United relied on data to make their summer signings. they chose Cesco over Jocharez because he runs more off the ball. There has been a big push in that department, led by the summer recruitment of Mike Sanzini, who joined the club as a director of data after spending 11 years with the Mercedes Formula One team. What a crock of shit. And look, you might not like that. I'm sure we're going to beat Everton on Monday. Hopefully we're going to go on a great run. And, you know, that's brilliant. But I think as fans, we also have to be very aware just of how close we are to things going bad.

22:39I mean, there's a story in the Times about how many people at United thought that Amrin was going to get sacked after the Grimsby game. So that's how perilous the position can be. And of course, everybody else in the football club needs to, when there is something positive going on, they need to sort of claim benefits of that as well. I mean, this is just the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read. It's pure and utter spin to try and make out, oh, because we're not as bad as we were last season, everything's bloody brilliant. I mean, Man United relied on data to make their decision about choosing Cesco over Jokeres because he runs more off the ball.

23:15I mean, do I need to go back to the summer? Do I need to go back to the summer? I mean, the Man United want to get sat down here. I mean, we can literally look at the timeline of when Sanzini came in as a data analyst, and it wouldn't fit with that. But we can make it more simple than that. Man United did not choose Sesco over Jochores because Arsenal chose Jochores over Sesco. Bye-bye. End of the story. You know, it doesn't matter what we think. That's the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read. That's complete and utter PR bullshit. Call it for what it is. Arsenal had the choice between Cesc and Jochrez And they chose Jochrez That's what happened Everybody was waiting to see what Arsenal wanted to do And Arsenal chose Jochrez What we did is we tried to sign Dalap, who chose Chelsea Then we went for Jochrez, who chose Arsenal Then we went for Eketike, who chose Liverpool Then we were thinking about Watkins But Aston Villa didn't really want to sell So we went for Sesco Who chose us over Newcastle That was the story There was never a bloody conversation in June About well let's not try for Jokeres Because Sesco runs around more We didn't And look There will be low Bar Fans in the chat Who just want to Suck off that sort of nonsense But it is nonsense I don't need to read that sort of stuff in the middle of November that we chose Sesko over Jokeres because he runs more, because we didn't.

24:55That wasn't the story. We went through it three times a day, every day of the summer transfer window, and we didn't even move for Sesko until the back end of the window. So it's bollocks. He was our fifth or sixth choice striker, and I'm happy with it. I think the striker market in this summer was so rich with talent that it didn't matter that we didn't get our first, second, third or fourth choice. But let's not try and polish it into we always wanted Sesco because we didn't. We quite clearly didn't. And if Arsenal had wanted Sesco, he'd be wearing an Arsenal shirt. And if Jokeres had wanted Man United, he'd be wearing a Man United shirt.

25:36And I'm happy with what we've got, but let's not try and rewrite it under some PR bollocks where Sesco's not getting a lot of popularity at the moment. So let's write a story, let's release a story, let's make and bake a story about how he was our priority player. He turns up early for training and, you know, we wanted him over every other target because we didn't. And in fact, I think these PR stories do more bad than good. I see the Luke Shaw compilation yesterday and a lot of the replies are get rid of him. So it doesn't work. I see this this morning and a lot of people see through it. But that's the club, again, trying to be clever with their PR.

26:12And it actually backfires because it's not sincere and it's not true. And people want sincerity and honesty. And that's why people back hammer him, because he'll sit there and be honest and truthful about the good and the bad. And that gives him integrity. And then integrity is something that's lacking at this football club. So you latch on to that integrity and you want it to do well. what people don't like is being lied to and spun and the club need to just stop doing it because it doesn't work it works on idiots but you know the vast majority of this fan base aren't idiots so we've got a young striker that wasn't our first choice that most of the fan base are very happy with who hasn't settled that's it we don't need to retell the story about you know this that and the other he's struggling a little bit he's injured but it's very far from a flop what we need to do is get on with winning games without him and integrate him back in when he's fit and build for the future because that's the striker we bought it's as simple as that um good morning says marlo good to have you back ferguson's biggest strength was building a culture not his system or style i hope united has realized that now says marlo well i think that i think the next few games are just every we just got it look it's great to have the football back and i I know we're not playing till Monday, but I was doing the Bundesliga last night, Premier League later on.

27:33It's great to have it back. North London derby tomorrow. We're on Monday. It's great to have the football back, but it will only be great if we can start kicking on and getting some results. I am always going to ask questions of Manchester United because I don't trust Manchester United because of who owns it. The Glazers still own this football club. and it amazes me that you almost have to pinch people and go the Glazers still own the football club because they run away with the positivity about oh this that's a gym this the old stadium that and you go you know the Glazers own the club oh yeah like the Glazers still own this football club I can see a situation where out of the next 10 winnable games we win eight and then we don't buy anyone in January and then everyone goes well we don't need to we've won eight out of the last 10 I mean that's what worries me even with success we'll do something stupid because the Glazers don't want to spend money.

28:24They don't. There is no football club in their history of football that's successful by running itself as a business. And we're still being run by a business. That doesn't mean that you can't find me a football club that's turned a profit and been successful, but every football club in the face of history spends money to be successful. They don't run it like a business. And that's what worries me is that even if we do really, really well, It seems to me with United If we do well we spend less And if we do bad we spend more I don't think that's a healthy way to run a football club I think you have to be consistent with your spending Year in year out Rumours Ineos won't spend in January Any info says Ross Well that literally fits in with what I was just saying there Ross You know

29:20there's not a lot we can do about it if they don't but we will be definitely jeopardizing champions league football if we don't because there is a there the way we're playing at the moment it might work but it also feels like it might not work whereas i think they could do things that make it work for example i read something in the comments yesterday that i can't remember what the exact words were, but it was something to the effect of if we, a midfield, the midfield, it was something like the midfield needs rebuilding a hundred percent, but an experienced striker in January would be my choice.

30:03And I read it and I thought, it's not a lot of detail there, but it's a good comment because it makes you, you know, sometimes a sentence can lead to a story you can write a book off a sentence whereas you can't write a book off a paragraph and it made me think you know what if we didn't bring a midfielder in but we brought an experienced striker in that experienced striker could score us 10 15 premier league goals between january and may we don't you know in in addition to what we've got already with bruno kunya and burmo etc that that could be a real boost for us. But yeah, I mean, we might do nothing.

30:43But this is what I mean. Sir Jim Radcliffe apparently saying that we can't judge Amram until two more transfer windows. I'm sorry, mate. We fucking can. And we will. If you think you can sit there as a partial owner of Man United and dictate how United fans are going to think, I'm sorry, you're very, very wrong. And your experience in football is abysmal, to be honest with you. Nice. You've not done very well there. And for a guy that's a lifelong Man United fan, I'm sorry, I'm still putting the jury out that I've seen no evidence that you're a lifelong Man United fan at all. You don't behave like a lifelong Man United fan at all.

31:18You don't seem to know anything about how this football club's meant to play or what it's meant to stand for. So sitting there and saying, you know, three years or two summer transfer windows is what it's going to take. you haven't got a bloody clue about how football fans work. If results go bad, you will not be able to sit there in, say, three years. And also, if two transfer windows, that has to be January in the summer. If that's two summer transfer windows, which I think it is, that's ignoring the January transfer window again, which we can't keep doing. I don't know what it is. Well, I do know what it is.

31:52I do know what it is. It's Man United's, it's the Glazers. It's a business decision why we don't buy in January. It's not a football decision because there are so many examples, as we've been through multiple times before, of big clubs spending in January and it being a good idea. Like Man City knew that their team that had won the league had fallen apart. You think about this time last year, Man City were losing loads. And obviously, Rodri was injured, but they were still losing loads of games. They were the champions of England and it had all gone to shit. What did they do? They didn't think, oh, we'll be okay.

32:33Oh, we'll be back. Oh, let's wait till the summer transfer window. They went into the January transfer window and I think they bought three players. Definitely three, maybe four. And then in the summer, they went and bought another four or five. So over the space of two transfer windows, they bought about eight players. You can't buy eight players in one window. But Man United will go, yeah, we're not going to do anything in January because we've got our targets for the summer. We need about 10 players. Amrim needs about 10 players ASAP. If you spent in January and you spent players in the summer, you could get eight, but you're never going to get eight in one summer.

33:13And this is exactly what Man City did. We won the league. We've lost the league. We want to win the league again. Bang, bang. And Man United will be there going, nah, you can't do anything in January. You fucking can. Your bloody noisy neighbours literally did it last year. They rebuilt a team in the space of six months. And you're talking about rebuilding a team in three years like that's the way football works. It's not a fucking stadium, mate. Build the team. Build it now. Build it quick. Amram knows what he wants get on with it you know so look to answer the question uh any news on man united not doing anything january i think we will do something in january i said this time last year i think we'll do something in january people feel like we didn't we did we brought dorgo in so i think i think we will do something in january whether we'll do what's needed in january that's um that's by the by uh so jim rabcliffe saying we can't judge amram until two more windows feels like he really means don't judge any else well par lynch you're exactly spot on you're exactly spot on um you know people mistakenly think it's sir jim radcliffe being the nice guy and you know backing amram and in a sense it is but you know well done for seeing what it is really if Amrim's given a long time, Ineos are given a long time because ultimately a manager's failings always goes uphill.

34:42We don't get glazes out when Ten Hag was finishing in the top four and winning the Carabao Cup. We do get glazes out when Ten Hag's in eighth place and, you know, scamming an FA Cup. We didn't get glazes out when Jose had finished second in the league. We did get glazes out when Jose was going to be sacked. So, you know, Jim Radcliffe's not stupid. The more he publicly says it's a long vision for Amorim, the more he's really saying is, you know, buying himself more time, of course. Will you ever go on a fans forum on a match day, says St Blanco? I'm sure it will happen at some point. I mean, I wouldn't say it's at the top of my bucket list, but it's not unachievable.

35:28Seth says, morning, Mark. We've had false hope with previous managers, but I feel the mentality is totally different now. Players are bleeding for the club. Thoughts. Yeah, we did lose. I mean, it's funny what an international break can do because let me just take you back to our last game. That Spurs second half was shit. The Forest game before that, the second half was shit. So it's funny what an international break can do because I feel the same, Seth. You know, I'm not knocking the comment. I feel the same. I'm looking at the next few games. I think we will beat Everton. I think we will beat Wolves and West Ham.

36:01We've got Wolves twice, haven't we? I think we can beat Fernley and Leeds. The games that concern me the most are Villa away, Palace away. I think we'll beat Bournemouth at home. I think we'll beat Newcastle. So I can see eight wins out of 10 and it could be better than that. So an eight wins out of 10, Seth, would feed into the mentality change and people bleeding for the club, et cetera. But our last two games, I didn't see that. I didn't see people bleeding for the club. I mean, Kunja had his worst game in a Man United shirt. and Burma was kept very quiet so you know our last two games were a bit shit to be honest and yeah I do agree with you I feel like maybe the international break a break from football builds that positivity we've got a good run of games it's trust isn't it it always comes down to trust do you trust these players um thank you very much for that seth as well i appreciate that um done that one as well um from that too okay let me whiz through some more of this news this morning so apologies i'm still a little bit not with it because um i got some good sleep last night but i'm still not quite back 100 oh this this this will lighten the mood a little bit so this came in yesterday from iPaper.

37:21I mean, I'm sort of laughing. I've got to take a deep breath before I read it. So Andre Inanna is not giving up hope of regaining the number one goalkeeper spot at Man United when he returns from his loan at Trabson Sport. I mean, honestly, mate, like, you know, I sort of mentioned this on the watch along last night. This is like your mate saying, so imagine you've got a mate and he's been in a relationship and it's broken up and you know, it's the best thing. Yeah. And you're out for a drink with that mate. And they've been broken up for a period of time. And he says, I'm determined to win them back.

37:56And you know that that person that they broke up with has basically been going out every night, getting it, getting it good from everywhere. Yeah. You have that information. And then your mate saying they want to get back with them. And you basically just got to say, look, here's the evidence. Look, it's all over. It's all over socials, like a different one every night. They're having a great time without you. Clearly, they don't want you back. Have a bit of pride, zip it and move on. And not on a, you ain't coming back to Man United. You can be Mr. Determined. You can be Mr. Rejuvenated. You ain't coming back and no one wants you back.

38:40That's the harsh reality. you're not coming back nobody wants you back amram doesn't want you back the players don't want you back the fans don't want you back move on this is not gonna be some comeback it's never gonna happen and if it did happen sylvester stallone's in trouble because you know one of the biggest comeback films ever rocky would be shelved by the anana story if he came back and ended up as Man United's number one. But it's not going to happen, is it? He's got to take the hint, like Ross Walsh says, and move on. Nobody wants him back. And that's harsh. It's really harsh. But sometimes life is harsh.

39:22And you know what? Apparently, he's doing all right at Trabsonsport. Off you go. There is no way back because Amrim didn't want you in the first place. like there is, Amram's not there going to bed every night going, I just, all I want, you know, is putting Take That Back For Good on every night. Amram's lying there in bed crying, listening to Gary Barlow saying, I want you back for good. Not, not, not Gary Barlow in Amram's bed. That would be ridiculous. I mean, he's listening to a CD if people listen to CDs. The end of the day, the music of Take That Back For Good is on. Gary Barlow's singing it and Amram's listening to it going, oh, I want you back for good.

39:59He ain't doing that. He's not, He's going to bed singing, celebrate good times. Come on. So there ain't no way back. It's a nice story, but there is not a way back for Inanna. And he just needs to move on. He just needs to move on. I think sometimes if I'm being critical of modern society, it is fantasy and not reality. You know You hear stories About how At schools in the UK And it might be the same worldwide There is no first place You know, everybody gets a first place sticker And, you know, nothing's impossible You can do anything Well, it is, of course, it's bloody impossible There are very glaringly harsh things That are impossible Like, you are not going to be A Formula One driver If you haven't got an arm You know it's not going to happen is it unfortunately i mean it might happen but the reality is it's going to be very very difficult and you know also there is no point telling crap people that they're as good as good people like there isn't and there's no point if somebody finishes last in a running race giving them the same sticker as the person who's won it because when you go out into the real world and you apply for a job or you ask a person out on a date, you'll get rejected if they look at you and go, no, thanks, because that's reality.

41:37So, and God, man, you're not going to need a dose of reality. Like we do, we do. We need a, and this is where I think some people get opinions, one thing, but people having a different opinion and explaining it in life, you've got to understand that that's the way it's going to be. I'm sure there's people who tuned in this morning and they're like, oh no, Bruno's not going anywhere. Why are you talking about Bruno? Well, Bruno's not going anywhere till the summer, but in the summer, I think he's got to go. I think we've got to move on. If Ruben Amrum is going to be here for three years time, Bruno isn't.

42:07Move on, cash in while you can. I look at Bruno Fernandes as a, this is harsh, right? I look at Bruno Fernandes as a vintage car that you know, because of the engine, probably has only got another 50 ,000 miles in it before it needs a lot of work. But as it is at the moment, the engine's fine, the car is fine, and it's worth money. If you keep that car another two years, at some point, it ain't going to be worth it because that engine's going to give out. And Man United with Bruno have an asset that we can get through this season and he'll still be worth something. But in another year, might start to struggle for performance and then won't be worth anything either.

42:57And that money can be used. That money can be used, which is why I would have took it in the summer. But there we go. What do you make of Amrim saying he's changed the way he plays? Says Saka. Well, he hasn't said that, has he? It's not been said. And also, I'll tell you what I think, mate. I'm bored, absolutely bored of talking about formations and systems of Amorim because it's neither. It's such a boring, illogical conversation that I think we've flushed it down the toilet many times in this community. It is not systems and formations that are causing us to lose a winning lead at halftime from Forest and Spurs.

43:38It is players and weak mentalities. and you're either watching Man United play and you're not. And I'm bored of talk about system and formations because it was never about systems and formations. It's about players. It's about giving Ruben Amrim the right mentality players and then judging him, which is exactly what Sir Jim Radcliffe is saying. And he's right. We just can't wait two years for it. It needs to happen quicker than that. And also, look, I've listened to Amrim multiple times and I think he's as bored and as frustrated as we are. And all he keeps saying is, it's not the formation, it's not the system.

44:18And within my formation and system, it changes within the game anyway, which it does like every other bloody manager. When you make a substitute, you might look like a 4-3-3, but if you bring a different profile of player in, you might ask another couple of players to do something a little bit different to accommodate that new player. Welcome to football that's been around for 50 years. I mean, sometimes I pity the stupidity of the analysis of football in the modern day. It's like, you know, there are people who've clearly never kicked a ball in their life who just log onto a computer, look at some stats and try and, you know, algorithmically analyze football.

44:57Like football's such a simple game and the best way to watch football is with your eyes. I've been watching it for over 40 years. I'll tell you for fucking free. Bobby Robson in Italia 90. What formation was he using? You know, he used multiple ones. In-game, out-game. As soon as he makes a sub, it changes. You know, Kenny Dalgleish with Liverpool in the late 80s. What formation was he playing? Did he play it 90 minutes rigidly for 90 minutes or did it change within game depending on what the score was, depending on who the subs were, depending if they needed a goal. I mean, it's laughable the amount of time that he spent talking about Ruben Amrim's system and formation because every formation and every system changes within a game anyway, dependent on circumstances, substitutions, what the scoreline is.

45:48It's boring. It's so fucking boring. And I can't believe we're still talking about Amrim's system and formation. If you didn't want a 3-4-3, we shouldn't have recruited a 3-4-3 manager. end of the day, take it upstairs. I don't want to talk about his formation and system because that's what Ruben Amrim is. And I don't know why we've got people out there trying to grab onto these false avenues of, well, he doesn't even play a 3-4-3. He's actually playing a 4-3. Oh, he's fucking not playing a 4-3-3 because he's a 3-4-3 manager. And if you don't like it, say it. Say you don't like it and take it to the top because this is on Ineos.

46:27They brought in a guy that doesn't play 4-3-3. So if you're bloody Jamie Carragher or you're Jamie Smith from bloody Wigan, take it up with the owners. They brought in a 3-4-3 coach. That's the way it is. And I'm bored of it. Really bored of it. And I'm sure everybody else is as well. So Anana's not coming back. We've done that. This was interesting. From the Times, some staff believed that Amrin would be sacked after the Grimsby match, while others thought he would be relieved of his duties at the end of last season after finishing in 15th place. However, the message from senior management remained the same.

47:01We must keep our composure. Their confidence in Amrim remained strong. I mean, come see come, sir. Honestly, I just think United have just used the international break to spin a load of positivity in PR, which is absolutely fine. But, you know, results drive anything. If United are doing well, you can put your positivity PR bullshit and your Luke Shaw compilations out and some people will swallow it. If the results are going badly, people won't swallow it. Results drive football. You know, Amrim's going to get three years. That's a great thing to say when you're picking up results and you've just beat Sunderland.

47:37We're going to give Amrim two transfer windows. That's a great thing to say when we've got a really good run of games ahead of us. You try and say that when you've just been pumped 4-0 by Man City at home, it ain't going to wash. It's always going to be about results. So is Bruno a good centre midfielder else is Keel. No, no, he's just Amarim's first choice with Casemiro. Look, you know as well as I do Keel at the start of the season, when we were doing previews and you can check out the Everton preview on the homepage, by the way, that went out last night. At the start of the season, when we were doing previews and predicted 11s, a lot of the time I was like Agate and Mainu over Casemiro and Bruno.

48:15I think what's happened is it's just very clear that Amarim doesn't rate Mainu and Agate. So you can continue to bang your head against the brick wall, or you can get on board with what the manager's doing. And I think I and many of you have just gone, look, he's going to pick Bruno and Casemiro. We're going to be stuck with that till the summer. Hopefully it'll be enough to get his top five, maybe four, but it needs to change in the summer and it ain't going to be Maneo and Agate. So makeshift midfield is exactly what Savage has said. And that's what it is and that's why every preview i just put casimiro and bruno i mean look we have been overrun in the midfield it happened in the second half against spurs it happened in the second half against forest so it can still be vulnerable but in certain games i think at home where the defensive line pushes up it makes casimiro and bruno's job really easy because they don't have to defend as much so So I think with Casemiro and Bruno at home, it works quite well.

49:16But ultimately, for this season, that's just the way it's going to be. Amrim shifted Bruno back into the eighth for the Europa final before it was Agathe and Casemiro. Personally, I think he fell out with Agathe, says Lawrence Berry. Yeah, he just doesn't trust Agathe and Manu. I don't like that midfield because the way I consume football, I like to see a vision. I like to see a future. I don't like makeshift. I don't like stopgap. I remember Ten Hag when he was in trouble and he picked that team against Villa away and I looked at it and I was like, what the fuck's this? I think it was Johnny Evans and Lindelof at centre-back or something.

49:54I can't remember. And we got a nil-nil draw, but he came out of the game going, what was that? Survival football. This is not survival football, what we're doing now, but it certainly hasn't got any longevity beyond this season. but you can understand why Amrind's doing it you can

50:23Deleu and Maguire need to go too Maguire injuries, he's not pointing to keep him says Irene, I think Kunya will play centrally for now, Embermo attacking from the right says Milton, yeah I think as I say I think it will mount Cunha and Mbamo against Everton. I mean, look, I wish we were playing this weekend. It's Monday night, but that should be a comfortable win against Everton. And then you're looking at Palace. And if we can go to Palace and win, I think it's very exciting because then you've got Wolves and West Ham. We could win four games in a row. The guy might be getting his air cut against Bournemouth, you know?

51:02Nobody that matters says surely he'll push Bruno back forward in January with Embermo and Ahmad away at the AFCON. I don't think, I don't know. I mean, look, you put Bruno as a number 10, I probably unpopularly say don't sell him in the summer. I like Bruno Fernandes. I like him as a 10. I can't stand him in the midfield. I don't know the guy, so I don't give a shit. I judge them as footballers. I don't put pictures on my wall. I'm not Robert McCormack. I don't do that. I just look at them as custodians of a shirt I care about. And I don't really care about their personal feelings or anything when it comes to, I think you're a shit midfielder and you need to leave to, if you're playing as number 10, sign a new contract.

51:48It's that simple. If Bruno was playing at number 10, I wouldn't sell him. As a midfielder, I just don't rate it. But I get the feeling that Amrim's not going to play him as a number 10. I might be wrong, but I don't know. I don't think he will. Um, yeah. Um, anyway, right. Long show, but there was a lot to talk about. Right. Thanks for watching. We do have an eight o 'clock show tonight. It's my first eight o 'clock show live since last Sunday night. I mean, this is my first morning show live since last Sunday morning. So there we go. We're replicating it. Um, but yeah, I will be back with you at eight o 'clock tonight for a live at eight o 'clock Saturday night live show.

52:29Looking forward to that. I'm on that football from this afternoon. I binned off Chelsea Burnley. I'm just too tired to do three watch-alongs today. So I'm going to do the three o 'clock games and then I'm going to do Newcastle, Man City and then back here at eight o 'clock. So thank you everybody. It's good to be back. How many Dillet posters have you got? Says Robin McCormick. I don't do posters on the wall. I'm surprised there's any room on your wall. I mean, Harry Kane and Rashford literally stuck together. not in that way but you know what I mean just vying for space on Robert McCormack's wall and probably Mason Mount as well let's not forget Mason Mount will be up there too big up Robert hope you're doing well thanks everyone who did Super Chats today really appreciate and everyone who's watching live don't forget to smash a like and subscribe we're back at 8 o 'clock tonight thanks everyone for watching stay safe take care

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