254: Amorim in TROUBLE! January Transfer WARNING!

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1:32Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. We're in the studio. So smash a like and we've got lots to talk about this morning. I'm going to get into the Amrim's danger zone conversation. Lots of people this morning saying if Liverpool are going to sack Arna Slott, who has a very good win ratio and has just won the Premier League, why Man United not sacking Amrim? Is he in the danger zone? Should he be in that? Also, what's going to happen in the January transfer window? An update from Rob Dawson I didn't talk about last night. I will be talking about that as well. Also, I've just been speaking to Beth.

2:03I've stolen an idea. She knows about it, about Bruno. We'll talk about that. I also want to talk about Mason Mount. There's talk of Rashford to PSG. We've got an update on Semenyu. Dorgu, is he a player also who maybe it's over before it's begun? Is that unfair? We'll talk about that too. The AFCON, we've got an update on that. And I want to talk about Menuh, Agate, Yoro, Xerxi as well. Lots to get into this morning and obviously get involved in it as well, because I think over the last three days, I've noticed a lot of people saying you clearly am him out. Well, I'm clearly not. I know my own mind.

2:37But what I do do is listen and read what people are saying. And as I've said to you before, I'll make it very, very clear at the start of the show. I am probably 75 % sure he'll get the sack at some point in the next 18 months. Clip it. You know, that doesn't make me am him out. I'm hoping the 25 % is going to make him be the next Sir Alex. But I think there is a 75 % chance that he's gone in the next 18 months because I just don't see the surroundings, the players, the ownership or him being sufficient. And he's not starting from a position of strength. And I do think that he should be in the danger zone.

3:17I do think that Monday was appalling. And I do think, well, I'll leave it for the preview tonight. He's got to make big changes for Sunday. Otherwise, Why is he sending the wrong message? I also think that it's a very good point from many of you saying on social media that if Liverpool, and apparently they are, considering sacking slot, why the hell are Man United not considering sacking Amrim? I mean, who do they think they are to go, we're going to ignore football logic, we're going to ignore football history, we're going to ignore football opinion, we're just going to stubbornly say, let's stick with this and hope that it works.

3:51That's not how football works. It's about today. It's not about tomorrow. So I do agree. I think, you know, Slott is in big trouble at Liverpool, but he's got a much better record than Amarim. And Liverpool have got much better recent history than Manchester United as well. So I think there is a conversation to be had there. But we'll maybe come back into that because there's a lot to discuss about it. I want to weave stuff in around it. Interestingly, I saw this and I didn't bring it into the show last night. And I wanted to I wanted to talk about this January overhaul. You know, basically Rob Dawson in the ESPN saying Manchester United plan to continue investment into the squad.

4:30They believe their financial position will allow them to continue to invest in the squad. They are approaching the January window with caution and would prefer to do the bulk of their business next summer. Nothing has been ruled out, particularly there's more than a month until the window opens. and plans could change before January the 1st. Now, look, comes he comes are, positive, negative. You can read that however you want. That sort of an update sort of fulfills everybody. If you are negative and you believe we're not going to do anything, you would say, well, the warning signs are there. They're approaching it with caution.

5:03They clearly haven't got anything planned and it's going to be another waste of a window. If you're a little bit more positive, you'd go, well, don't rule it out. They say it's a while till January the 1st. Maybe they will do something. My personal feeling is, if they don't do something, that means Amrim's in shit, basically. If they don't do anything in January, like they didn't do for Ranić, I think that says, we're not sure about you. You might be gone in the summer. If they do do something in January, I think that's vindication that they are going to continue to support this guy. And I think it comes down to that.

5:37And I think we've got Ben Jacobs on at two o 'clock. Beth's going to be doing that. We've been talking about questions. We want to talk about the labour and some stuff like about that. So tune in for that. But my interpretation is that I believe that what you've got here is a January transfer window, which is basically do or die for Amrim. It goes beyond buying players because we need to buy players. You know, that's not breaking news. We need to spend money in January. If they don't spend money in January, then I think that's a big indicator that they're going. because we're a business, we're not a football club.

6:12And what I mean by that is if they don't spend money in January, they know that maybe they're looking at win ratios. Maybe they're looking at we're not going to be in Europe. Maybe they're looking at Amrim's only got one year left on his contract. And I mentioned that at the start of the season. And maybe they're going, look, we're going to have to sack this guy. It's going to cost us money to sack him. The new manager is going to want their own players. So let's wait until the summer to see where we are. because if we spend money on players now and then the new manager doesn't want them, we've also got to sack Amrim.

6:42It costs the club money. I think that's where I am with this. And I don't know which way they're going to go. I think that they want to keep Amrim, but if they don't spend money... Look, if you want to keep Amrim and you're 100 % behind him, you've got to buy in January. I don't think there's anybody in this chat or fan base that's going to go, United don't need to spend in January. We absolutely do. So if they're going to keep him, you spend. If you're not sure, even I would admit, if you're not sure, you would go, why would I waste the money on a guy I'm not sure about? So I think we're going to get a very big indicator in January as to just how much they really do backhammer him.

7:19So Jim Radcliffe can say three years, this is our guy, and I'm pretty sure they want to keep him, but we'll find out in January, I think. And I think they will spend. I think they will spend because I think this is the guy they want. And I still ridiculously think that we've got some very winnable games coming up. I mean, we have got Wolves twice. I mean, having said that, we did lose to Everton. But look, I would hold on to that point very, very quickly. The contract of Amarim is up a year in May. Nobody goes into the last year of their contract. They don't. You don't do that with a manager. You don't go, let's see what happens.

7:55So they've either got to give him a new contract in May or they've got to sack him because with one year left on his deal. And I think there is a plus one, but you've still got to give the plus one. So that's like a new contract anyway. So whether he's got a plus one or whether they've got to give him a new contract, they've got to make a decision on that by May because no manager can go into the last year not knowing what's going to happen. It will make us perform worse. So that's a big key as well. Lots to talk about this morning. Give me your thoughts on it. But yes, I started it off by saying danger zone.

8:30As I said, I think the January window has to be a key indicator of what's going to happen. And somebody just said, so why aren't you Amram out? I mean, I suppose, look, we're a big community. I'm the person who sits here most of the time. I generate the conversation with you. You generate your own ideas. So I get it. Like it's almost like a sounding board, isn't it? But you must have your own opinions and you must have the strength of the conviction to believe in them and justify them. That's your responsibility. That's what this community is all about. I am not Amrim out because I look at it and I wasn't.

9:09For me, it's like the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. Boring. You know, we say that all the time. Sack the manager cycle. We all know about the cycle. But I was in the same position with Ten Hag. I didn't want Ten Hag to be sacked because I didn't want to sack another manager. And then it gets to a point where you go, we've got to do it. And that might happen with Amrim. I just do not see why we should keep sacking managers. But the counter argument will be just because Jose wasn't right or Ali wasn't right, it doesn't mean Amrim's right. Like, you know, maybe he isn't the right guy.

9:45and but I would rot I don't have the power to sack him if I had the power to sack him and I knew what the money was and I knew who was available I'd be more learned in making the right decision with that evidence I don't have that evidence but looking at it as a fan pragmatically I would rather we stick with Amrim we start winning games and we start turning it around because that will be less disruption another manager means another pile of shit on top of the shit that he doesn't want, another risk. You know, what happens with the players that don't perform? The best path is that it works with Amrim.

10:20Of course it is. And I do like him. I do like him. I think he speaks so much sense. And, you know, just some of the things that he said, like, you know, the Spurs game was massively frustrating, how he spoke about the Everton game. He does speak to us in the way that we speak. So I like the way Amrim speaks. But there is a contradiction there. I mean, I'm riffing here, but like the way he speaks in interviews and after match and everything like that, I really, really like him. The way he manages games, I'm sort of like, that's not what you're talking about, though. You know, you talk about these standards, you talk about this, that and the other, and then you pick him or you don't do that.

10:57So I get that. Look, my honest answer is I want it to work out with Amrim. I do like him and I don't want to sack another manager because I think we've done it so many times and we keep getting worse. The reality is, are we worse today than we were under Mourinho? Yes. Are we worse today than we were under Oli? Yes. Are we worse today than we were under Ten Hag? Yes. So if we sack Amrim, are we going to be saying, are we worse today than we were under Amrim? It's like a pass the parcel, isn't it? We're getting worse with every manager we sack. And that's probably because the job becomes even harder with every manager you sack because, you know, the players become even weaker, you know, because they're so accustomed to failure.

11:39So I suppose that explains it. But I agree. I do agree. I look at what's happening with Liverpool and I go, well, that's standards. That is standards. They've just won the league and they've lost, what, eight of their last 10 games, but they've just won the league. They've been through a lot. You know, Jota's passing, players leaving, new players not working. There's lots of reasons why it's not working at Liverpool. And let's not forget, Man City lost a lot of games last year as champions. And Pep turned it around and they kept him. And maybe Slott will turn it around and they'll keep him. But they are considering sacking Slott.

12:13And he won the league a few months ago. That's standards. That is standards. When Chelsea sacked Mourinho after he'd won the league before Christmas, that's standards. That's being a football club that goes, I know you won as the league a few months ago and I know that you might turn it around, but we have standards here and we can't wait. You're gone. I'm not saying Liverpool will do it, but they're considering it. Man United, when you look at the last year. Very lucky, very lucky that this is being allowed to continue and it has to be right, because if it's wrong, we're damaging ourselves, aren't we?

12:52So that's why I say I hope it's going to work. I'm not at that point where I'm screaming for a new manager. I haven't even thought. I think if you want a new manager, you've got to think about who the new manager should be. But he's got to be in the danger zone. It's a perilous situation. These are the sort of games that if you lose Everton's, Watford's, as we saw with Oli, West Ham's, as we saw with Ten Hag, you don't lose your job for losing to Liverpool or although Mourinho did, to be fair. It's these types of games. So he is in the danger zone. And honestly, honestly, I think he'll lose his job in the next 18 months.

13:26Maybe it won't be in the next few months, but I think the pattern is that I can't see that consistent trajectory. I want to, but I can't see it. That's sort of where I am with that. Let me carry on. So I'm going to bring this in because I wanted to bring it early into the show. And I'm not stealing it. I'm shouting it out. So I was talking to Beth about half an hour ago. And she was talking about the... And it fits in with Bruno before we go into... And it fits in with Amren before we go into some of the topical stuff. So we're talking about the interview that Lemans did with Manchester United inside Carrington.

14:02And he was asked who's the best finisher at the club. And he said it's Bruno Fernandes. He even takes the piss out of me on how he's going to score every single time. And Beth said, you know, and where does Bruno Fernandes play? Centre midfield. And it's a great point. I want, I don't like Bruno in the midfield. I'm constantly having a go at him in the midfield. I think he's terrible in the midfield. But if Harry Maguire was in goal, I'd have a go at Harry Maguire in goal. And for me, it's not as bad. But Bruno in the midfield doesn't make sense. Bruno at number 10, I'm a lot happier. You know, I'm in the Bruno gang again.

14:37But Bruno in the midfield, I can't stand it. But, you know, how ridiculous is it that you've got the goalkeeper of Man United saying the best finisher is Bruno Fernandes and we put him in the centre midfield? I mean, it's a great point by Beth, and I'm sure many of you thought about it as well, but I certainly hadn't. What a great point. Bruno Fernandes is the best finisher at the club, according to our goalkeeper, and we put him in the centre circle. It's, you know, he's not a midfielder. He is a number 10 and we're playing him miles away from goal. It is incredible, really, when you think of it like that.

15:11But, you know, let's move on. Let's talk about... I want to talk about... I don't know where to go next because we've got so much this morning. Do we go... Yeah, I want to talk about this. What are your thoughts on Dorgu? Sorry, Marky with a super chat says, there's still only three points to fourth. We have to be positive. No, we don't, Marky. I think it's great that you're positive. Well done. Welcome to the positive club. That is absolutely fine. The whole point of this community is that everybody should be able to share their opinion without fear of being abused or ridiculed. Although sometimes you will get ridiculed because that's just who I am.

15:55I can't help it. But I don't have to be positive. I don't have to be positive. and I don't think, I'm not going to get angry with you, but I don't have to be positive. I don't have to look at the league table and go, we're only this many points. The only reason we're only three or four points off the top four is because we've only had 12 games and everybody's beating everybody. That's the only reason. And somebody might go, well, if everyone's beating everybody, maybe we're not that bad. Mate, Everton, 10 men, Old Trafford is probably the worst result I can think of since the Europa League final, which was also shite.

16:31So the problem I've got with being positive is if we'd lost to Everton because we'd had a man sent off, but we played well, you can justify that and go, it's disappointing to lose, but the circumstances dictated it. To not turn up at Old Trafford and lose to 10 men, I don't be positive. I don't look at the league table and go like that because I look at the league table and go, if it carries on like this, by the time it gets to the business end of the season, we won't be four points off top four, we'll be in the 15th again. And that's the worrying thing. It's how you change that attitude really, really quickly, because there are people out there that are positive and that's absolutely fine.

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18:24Quickly look at this. Yeah, I wanted to talk about Dorgoo. So with regards to Dorgoo,

18:32this really, I think is, I don't like saying this, but I wanted to do a few home truths. What are we thinking about Dorgoo? Because I like Dorgoo. Dorgoo to me is a little bit like Noosa at Leipzig. There are a couple of other players around Europe which you you know you probably want to talk about as well. These are players that I wouldn't have necessarily thought were going to come to Man United but I'd heard about as these players have got massive potential whether it's playing FC 26 or Football Manager or whatever. So Dorgou was a player I was always aware of. I actually had him on my career mode a couple of years ago.

19:06So when Man United bought him I was like this is not somebody I've never heard of. This is a prospect in the game that could end up being really good. I think we've got a big problem with Dorgue and I would add to that list. I would say Dorgue, Maynou, Agate, Yorou, Xerxi. Dorgue, Agate, Yorou, Maynou, Xerxi, right? Not Bruno, Casemiro, Luke, Shaw, Maguire, the senior leadership team that I think, you know, be part of the future. We're talking about Dorgu, Agathe, Maynou, Xerxi, Yoro, who can be part of our future, but I'm worried about. Because I think we're approaching the point, I think we've already hit the point with Agathe, I think we've already hit the point with Xerxi, and I think we're approaching the point with Maynou and Dorgu, where their career at Man United is in jeopardy.

20:01And people will say, oh, what are you talking about? You're being melodramatic. Hold on a minute. Tell me a player that we've developed at Man United in the last five years. Dorgou's a prospect. Manu's a prospect. Look at the reaction to Dorgou over the last eight months. There has been some of us going, he needs time. You know, he's not going to be the finished article yet. At that age, Patrice Evra wasn't even playing for Monaco, let alone Man United. So he's a prospect. He's going to have issues. We need to nurture him. Are we nurturing him? Is it nurturing him when he's getting jeered and booed?

20:37And, you know, not booed, but, you know, I'm talking about on social media. A Dogu's shit. This is not the place for nurturing players. It flies in the face. I wanted to talk about this because it flies in the face of what we're trying to do as a football club. We're forever being linked to these 17, 18, 19 year olds from all around Europe and the world that have got great, great talent. But we don't have a pathway to the first team. and I think Dorgou represents that. I like Dorgou and I want him to be the solution and hopefully he can be and hopefully that can be part of this Amorim vision that we're not seeing at the moment but we've got a huge problem because I speak to United fans, I see United fans and they're already writing Dorgou off at just 21 because that's what the club has become.

21:23It's become a club where you need players now and it's not an environment to nurture. I mean, when you look at Dorgu from January to today, that's what, 10 months, 11 months, it's November. There's been little bits of progress and then he's on the roller coaster. And what you need with a younger player, when you look at Phil Foden at Man City, you know, it's that gradual improvement, you know, build the confidence gradually. And at United, we don't have the environment for it. We don't have the environment for it And under Amrim, he's in and out the team as well You know, it'll be Deleuwe at the weekend He was subbed off on the Monday You know, Yoro with Maguire He's out the team when Maguire's back It's like the environment is really toxic for developing players And the manager doesn't have the security or comfort to stick with them And the team doesn't have the players to nurture them And, you know, Bruno Fernandes is a captain's throwing his arms around like a petulant kid.

22:26So I think you've got to look at that and question the club again. Why are you so obsessed with buying loads of young players when the fact is this is not the environment to develop them? It really, really isn't. And I think Dorgu represents that. He's not done yet, but it is salvageable. I think Dorgu, Mainu, Agate, Xerxi, Yoro are players that it doesn't have to be over. But a little bit like Amrim, we sort of know it's moving towards it being over the way things are going at the moment. I mean, I can see Dorgu playing for AC Milan in three years time and the Man United dreams over. I can see Agate bloody sporting again in two years time and the Man United dreams over.

23:11It's something we need to do. Zlazi says the inconsistency is the biggest issue if you for me if we're consistently bad or mid fit mid it would be easy to improve but we win at Anfield one week giving us hope then lose to 10 men the next week I think you're right I think there really is that I think it is true I think there really is that whole we never know what we're going to get the Forrest Gump box of chocolates you win at Anfield you lose at home to 10 men Everton it's tiring it's exhausting it's confusing light switch FC as Rob Always United says one of our members but Danny says, stop the nonsense, tear up the underforming players' contracts, find them and show them the door.

23:49But I think it's a great point. You know, I was thinking about this, like, with Dorgu. Like, and it could be Mainu. And somebody just said, why are you talking about Yaro like that? Mate, do you not read the room? Like, I was talking about this with Beth this morning. We were talking about Yaro. And I was like, it's probably something I need to focus in on. Because I'm seeing a lot of people saying Yaro's shit. He's not actually that good. I haven't noticed that because I'm still locked in on Joros' start of the season well. Joros is not where Dorgue and Agate and Mainu is, but he could be there.

24:21He could be there very, very quickly. I don't think he'll start on Sunday. And people are already starting to say he's not that good as a teenager, you know. So this is what I mean. It's not the place to nurture players. I feel the whole Amrim project is a shambles, says Kiel. and Nick P says, I think we've got a really good Serie A squad below our three or four best players. The rest are not good enough. That's the best way I can describe as now. But I think this speaks to the issue at Man United and we have to find solutions and I'd be interested to know what your solutions are. My solution is obviously right at the top and we're not going to get it.

24:55You need to change the way the club is run and provide that security that a Todd Bowley gives Chelsea in the sense that we're going to spend our way out of this problem. You know, we're going to buy the best players and that's what we're going to do. Whereas at United, we're trying to do it on the cheap. We're trying to buy young players. I don't think the, surprise, surprise, Cilla Black, I don't think the Ineos plan works. It doesn't. I think it's, I don't think it does. I think they're trying to copy the Chelsea model without spending the money Chelsea spend. They're trying to buy younger players in the hope that they become valuable in the future Or they become good enough for the team in the future But the big problem is If you don't have an environment to nurture like Chelsea do Or Man City do Or Arsenal do Then you're just wasting your money I don't see why we bought Dorgou I don't see why we bought Yarrow at the moment It's a debate I'm not saying it won't be a mistake but you could also throw Sesko in that.

26:01Why are we buying prospects when we don't have an environment for prospects? And maybe that's why, to the detriment of what some of you would have liked to do, maybe that's why Amrin wanted Watkins. Maybe Amrin wanted a more experienced striker because he knows what we're talking about here. And when does this change? How does this change? How do we become a team where Dorgu can play left wing back week in, week out and gradually get better in an environment where he feels empowered and confident? Or Yoro or Mainu? We're not that. We need results. We're inconsistent. We're light switch FC. So why are we going down that road?

26:40Why is it every couple of weeks I say, oh, look at this 19-year-old we're going for. You know, Obi, Kone, Heaven. Where are they? Nowhere near the team because it's not the environment. They're all going out on loan because this is not the place for you. You know, Dallman's playing for Arsenal now and again at 15. We've got Heaven, Obi Kone, can't be anywhere near the team. We've got Dorgu, who's going to be coming out of the team. We've got Yoro, who will probably come out of the team if Maguire's fit. This is not an environment for young players, and yet we're going down the young player route.

27:10It's a contradiction. And we're burning these players. I mean, I'm not saying it's over for Dorgu. I don't want it to be, but you can almost... The club don't decide the movement of this football club. You decide it. And I can't control it and you can't control it. I see people in the chat saying, I think, I think Dorgou could be a good player. And I agree with you, but it's a bit like saying, I want Amrim to succeed. I still sit here and think, say, I think he's going to get the sack in the next 18 months. And I'll still sit here and say, I think Dorgou is going to be a failure. I don't want him to be, but I think he's going to be a failure because his confidence is being knocked all the time by being in and out of the team.

27:50Fans are starting to say he's not good enough. and I don't blame the fans for that. I think it's the environment. Like, this is not the environment to develop the player so that people go, he's a good player. We're chucking them in and going sink or swim, and they're going to sink. Of course they're going to sink. And I think that feeds into what somebody said. Garfield says we need to stick with the youngsters. I want us to stick with the youngsters. People talk about Amrim's youth policy, but actually I think it's right that he's not picking them because it's not the environment, Garfield. I want Man United to be about the class of 92, the Rashfords, the Greenwoods.

28:23I want us to bring players through, but I'm telling you now, it's not the environment for it. And, you know, it's absolutely factual, absolutely factual. But then the flip side of that coin is that when we're talking about the midfield targets and the Elliot Andersons and, you know, the Adam Whartons and the Stillers, the jeopardy is going to be, have we got European football and have we got the money? And if we haven't got the money, you've got to go cheap and young. And then the cycle continues. Man United are on their arse To climb out of that situation, you need warriors. You don't need kids.

28:53And the signings of Mberma and Kunia are good, but they're not midfielders. They're not defenders. They're not wingbacks. When you look at the wingback positions, we're severely lacking. When you look at the midfield, we're severely lacking. And we need to spend on those departments and we need to spend on players that are leaders and warriors. and I don't think it fits in with the INEOS. I mean, look, INEOS have basically said, so Jim Radcliffe has basically said, we're not going to spend on people over 26 and we're not going to spend Pogba type money anymore. Well, Pogba type money is 90 million and people over 26 tend to be experienced.

29:31So you're shutting the door on the Ollie Watkins of this world and you're opening the door on the Sescos of this world and you're shutting the door on the 100 million Elliot Anderson deal and you're opening the door on the João Gomez deal. And ultimately, you've got to look at what the club needs. Declan Rice at£100 million for Arsenal is a bargain. He's changed that club. Caicedo at Chelsea for£100 million and Enzo Fernandes for£100 million is a bargain. We've got an owner that's going, no more, no more big wages, no more big transfer fees no more players over 26 that's so tunnel visioned it's so ridiculous because yeah I don't want to buy Alexi Sanchez again who's 29 injury prone and you know on a ridiculous wage I don't want to do that but on the other hand I don't want to buy Jadon Sancho at 20 and give him 250 grand a week and spend 75 million on him there's a big there's no difference between Sancho and Alexi Sanchez other than nine years but effectively they're the same thing we're closing our eyes off to big wage high value players there's nothing wrong with it there's nothing wrong with spending 100 million pounds on a midfielder and giving them 250 grand a week if they are worth 100 million pounds and 250 grand a week our problem has been our high wage bill has been spending ridiculous money on players that aren't worth it like harry maguire was never an 80 million pound player and he was never a 200 grand a week player you know he wasn't He was probably a£50 million player on£150 ,000 a week.

31:12And the list goes on and on and on. I think with United, it's weird at the moment. Slow Sports News says, I was at the game on Monday. I've never heard so much negativity on players from other fans. It was consistent and needs to stop. The likes of Yoro getting screamed blew my mind. He's 20. But look, I don't blame the fans for that, mate. You know, the fans are, you go and watch a crap film and people say it's crap. You go and listen to a, you know, a crap comedian and they get booed. Like that's what happens. And Man United were crap on Monday. They were crap. So fans pay a lot of money, mate.

31:44They go, they travel from all over the country, all over the world. And it's a Monday night. No one likes a Monday night game. You've been waiting all weekend. You can get in the top four and they play shit. So whether it's Jaro, Dugu, Bruno, that's the deal, right? You're going to get it from fans. That's always been the case. 80s, 90s today. You're going to get it. I haven't got a problem with that. What I have got a problem with is why that's happening. You know, why are Yoro and Dorgu as kids in that team getting that stick, surrounded by more experienced players? Why can't they be better and provide them with a nurturing environment?

32:23As prospects, you're going to make mistakes. As prospects, you need nurturing. Why have Man United gone down that route? It's only going to make things worse. I think United need to spend£100 million on a midfielder. I think they need to get the best midfielder they can Which is what Arsenal did Which is what Chelsea did And I think we need to buy players I don't think we need to be age The ageism needs to stop I don't really want a 29-year-old But if it's a 29-year-old Who's going to make us better for the next two years Then why wouldn't you do that? We need to buy what we need Not what we want, says Blue Phoenix Exactly, exactly And I think we just I think like, you know I deviate a little bit here when I look at Mason Mount, right?

33:07And I like Mason Mount as a player when he's fit and he can play every week. I think there's an interesting player there. Maybe he doesn't start. Maybe he does start. I'm not here to have that debate. I look at the Mason Mount deal, right? 250 grand a week. 102 miles ago, the oil light came on. 100 miles ago, you noticed. Now it's time to head to take five. This oil change, fall in love with your car all over again. In just 10 minutes, your dream technician will check your tire pressure, top off fluids, change your oil, and verify with Carfax exactly what your car really needs, all while keeping you in the driver's seat.

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34:23Available at Lowe's. 55 million pounds. One year left on his contract. doesn't get mentioned much. £250 ,000 a week, £55 million with one year left on his contract, basically been injured most of the time he's been here and can't play 90 minutes. Catastrophically bad signing, right? Whizzer at Newcastle, they won't shut up about it. Oh, he's not even played for them yet. Whizzer, he's not even played for them yet. What a waste of money. Only had a year left on his contract and they spent£55 million on him. What a waste of time. We basically did that with Mount. And then people go, whoa, yeah, but Wizards 29 and Mount's 25.

35:05Again, we're talking about age again, aren't we? Oh, the Mount deal is okay because he's 25 and Wizards 29. Age means nothing if he ain't going to play. Is Mason Mount at 25 going to play when he's 28? Is he going to get any better? No. If anything, the Wizards deal is a better deal because the contract will be shorter. With Mount, we've got him for the next five years. so if he's not fit he's not fit is he and and and there endeth the lesson that that's why United are scared about spending money on players because they keep making silly mistakes and that Mason Mount deal was a massive massive mistake but you look at Declan Rice you look at Caicedo and we did look at Declan Rice at West Ham we did look at Caicedo at Brighton we looked at him before he went to Brighton.

35:58There are good deals to be done. And if you were paying Declan Rice 250 grand a week at the moment and you'd spend£100 million on him, you wouldn't batter an eyelid. And United seem to have got locked into this fear of the past. And we're not going to buy people over 26. And we're not going to spend over£70 million. And we're going to go with loads of young players as well. And this team needs money on it. This team needs experienced players. If we want to develop young players, we need experienced players to develop them, and we don't have it. Our leadership team is shite. Guitar Panda says, is winning at Anfield even that special anymore?

36:40Says Guitar Panda. Well, look, Anfield has become Lyon. I love that Lyon game. It was one of the best games I've watched of United in the last decade. It means nothing because you go to Spurs and you go to the Europa League final and you don't turn up. You make a mockery of what Lyon stood for. And the thing about the Anfield win is it was a great win. Again, a Maguire header. But you make a mockery of it by doing what you did against Everton and that's United. You can't trust them. You just can't trust them. Mason does enough when he's on, in my opinion. Monday he got to the byline, pulled the ball back to Bruno who spooned.

37:20Mate, Lawrence, look, I don't mind Mason Mount as a player, but come on. If somebody said, I'll give you£30 million now, I'd say, are you a football club? No, doesn't matter. You can have him. I don't care. I mean, it doesn't matter to me how good he is. It's one of the worst deals we've ever done. The guy can't play 90 minutes. I'm telling you now, if we get into Europe next season, he's redundant. One game a week and he still can't play 90 minutes. there is a huge issue with him, huge injury issue with him. And I don't think he's ever going to get over it. It's insurmountable, in my opinion.

37:56And he had this issue before we bought him. Morons. Anyway, let me bring a little bit of transfer in. Look, most of the transfer stuff is going to be at two o 'clock because we've got Ben Jacobs on. But let me just bring some of this stuff in from this morning. So around the menu, breaking news this morning that Man City are going to enter the race for him. Look, I feel like I'm alone on this one. And I've seen a lot of people from David Ornstein, Ben Jacobs, and again this morning talking about Man United and Semenu. And look, maybe Man United will move for them. I very much doubt it. He will be on the move in January.

38:38Maybe Man City, maybe it'll be Liverpool, maybe it'll be Chelsea. I don't know. I can't see it being Manchester United. I really, really can't. If we've got£65 million and we spend it on Semenyu, literally, I'm going to... I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to get very, very mad. Because if we spend another£65 million on a number 10 or a attacker before we buy a midfielder, I'm going to lose my shit, realistically. We shouldn't be going anywhere. If they bought Semenyu in January and that was our business, I would lose it.

39:12I'd be like, what the hell are you doing? we have to buy a midfielder next has to be a midfielder next in fact I think the next two signings have to be a midfielder has to be but as I said as I've always been told and I mentioned it back in April and I said it all the way through summer and it was from our very very good source at the club Semenyu never been an advanced target for Manchester United he may have been on a list but he's never been advanced because we got what we wanted. Kunya, Embermo. So if Semenyu was third, maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, I don't know. But we got what we wanted.

39:49So Semenyu was never an advanced conversation. It was never getting three in the summer. So if we went for him in January, it wouldn't be because we'd been chasing him for the last six months because we haven't been. We got what we wanted. And, you know, would you swap Semenyu for Embermo or Kunya? Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. Personally, I wouldn't. And personally, I'm very happy with what we've got in those positions. I'm just fuming that we didn't get a midfielder in. Xerxi getting stick after his first start from missing games from injury. This then was sidelined. Feels like he and Dorgou get the less amount of patience.

40:22And, you know, class of 99, that's why I say it. You know, I haven't got a problem with people who want to sell Xerxi or Dorgou or whatever. Make your own minds up. But I think you're a victim of the club. I think the reason you want to get rid of Xerxi and the reason you want to get rid of Dorgou and the reason you want to get rid of Agate is because the way the club have played it out doesn't make it conducive for them to perform. I mean, Agate is a little bit different because he's a bit older and, you know, he has started games. But when you look at Xerxi and you look at Dorgou and you look at Yoro, they are players that have to be given opportunities to build.

41:02And they're not going to get that patience because the team's so shit. There is no patience. there is no trust so we can't watch a game and go well the team's crap they've lost again but I'm really happy that we've got a 19 year old centre back who's developing well because we're fed up with the team and we're fed up with the way it is by Germany Stille and Mieter, Rahm and Schlotterbeck says Melcher and also just to add to that previous point as well it's not like Yarrow and Dorgue are playing well because they're in a team that's not playing well and they're in a team that's not helping them.

41:37So they don't play well. So then they become part of the problem as well. And this is what I'm trying to say. We don't have the environment to develop these players. We don't have the environment. I know it's been said many, many times before, but when Nicky Butt was a kid and Paul Scholes was a kid, you're playing with the likes of Keane and Ince and Cantona and you're being developed. They're not getting development. And it's strange that Man United, it's very, very difficult. As I said at the start of the show, it's very very difficult to think this is going to change it's very very difficult to say Amrim is going to be a success or the next manager is going to be a success because the the not the rhythm the plan the strategy the blueprints of the club is basically to not spend loads and develop.

42:31And that's just not going to work. We're Manchester United, we're not Brighton. There are standards. The results aren't good enough. The environment's not right. We're not in a relegation battle, but it's like being a newly promoted team and using your team from the Championship and thinking it's going to work in the Premier League, you know, look at what Sunderland have done. They've gone and bought a lot of players and they've made themselves a Premier League team very, very quickly. If Man United want to be a top four team, you're not going to get the time to develop players. You need to bring players in now.

43:13And that's why Mbermo and Cunha have been looked at favourably and have done quite well. And the players that, you know, delit to a certain an extent has been quite a good signing. But every player that needs a bit of development at Man United, when was the last time we bought a player that needed development that did well? So we've got Dorgu in January, that's not going great. We've got Jorron that last summer and Xerxi, that's not going great. Previous summer, Rasmus, that didn't go great. I mean, tell me, give me one. Give me a player that we bought as part of this let's buy younger players that's working.

43:48I can't think of one. I can't think of a younger player that we've bought, that we've developed. And yet that's the model. And talking about Xerxes, as I said, you should know this. We all should know this. If you don't play professional football consistently for two months, then you're effectively coming back from an injury. And when a player comes back from an injury, they're not sharp. And when Zirks, he plays up front against Everton, I reckon he'd score one of those headers in three weeks' time. If he played every week for the next three weeks and then he had those headers again, I think he'd score one of them.

44:32I just don't think he's Matt Sharp. And that doesn't excuse the fact that he was bad. You know, we shouldn't say it's OK. but the reason he was bad is in part because he's not been kept fit. He's not been kept sharp. And when Maynou comes on and he's not up to pace, it's because he's not sharp. And when Jorou and Dorgu are inconsistent, it's because the team is inconsistent and they're not starting every week either. I think one game a week would have helped us if we had a starting XI that we could trust. I remember Liverpool and Chelsea having seasons when they weren't in Europe and they did really, really well.

45:10But if you look at their starting 11s, I think it was Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge and Gerrard when they nearly won the league, Slippy G. They didn't have Europe that year. That's very different to the team that we've got at the moment where we haven't got a midfield and we've got a lot of prospects in the team. I think, look, I'm trying to find solutions here and I'm trying to look at the problems and the solution is not I don't think the solution is let's just wait and see I don't think the solution is let's carry on down this road I think the plan from the from above all the way down is wrong I think we're buying young and we're hoping they're going to get better but we don't have an environment for them to get better they're getting worse like Dorgu is not developing at the level he should be Yoro's not developing at the level he should be they're being dragged down and the problem with developing young players is between the age of 18 and 22, if they're in an environment that's not good for them, they won't develop properly.

46:10So the prospect that you buy at 18, 19, 20 isn't the player they should be at 23, 24 because you've ruined them. For example, Jude Bellingham could have been a Man United player. Absolutely made the right choice going to Dortmund. Absolutely. There was another player someone mentioned yesterday. You probably know it in the chat. Who was it? It was the player that could have come to United and went somewhere else. And I don't think it was Kaiseido. They're doing really well at the moment and they could have come to Man United. And you look at it and you go, they wouldn't be that player at Man United.

46:42Like Jude Bellingham would not be the player he is now if he'd come to Man United. And that's the point. Literally in 4K, Haaland, literally in 4K. That's the point. Absolutely. You look at Dorgou, you look at Yoro. are they going to be the players they could be if they'd gone elsewhere? And if Bellingham had come to United, he'd struggle. And that's why we can't develop young players. That's why signing young players is ridiculous, because they're not going to develop here. We can't develop players. Elise is another one. If Elise had come to Man United, he wouldn't be one of the best players in Europe a year later.

47:17He wouldn't be. The environment's not there for them. And Elise is not particularly young. So it's a great point. We're buying young for the future. But we're ruining those players because we're not developing them. So how's it going to get better? What is the strategy of Man United at the moment? And for me, the solution is, and people might not like this, and let me just say, well, I'll say it in a minute. The solution, there is a solution. It's not all bad. There is a solution. You need to follow the model that Chelsea did to the letter. If you want to bring young players in, that's fine. But you've got to spend big on players that are going to make you better today.

47:56across the whole team. You've got to build a team as quick as you can. You can't get in Burmo and Kunya, but then get young players everywhere else. We need to spend on the spine of that team yesterday. And then you can bring younger players in as well. Now, what you'll get in the comments is someone will go, oh, so we need to spend more money. Yeah, yeah, because we're shit. And if we've spent a billion in the last 10 years, I don't care because we spent it badly. You'll get rival fans who go, ha, bro wants to spend more money. They've already spent a billion in the last 10 years. Yeah, listen, right, might not be for you.

48:30We wasted that money. We may as well put it on a bonfire. Now tell me how Man United get, to these people, right, who say, oh, bro wants to spend a load more money, right? Okay, answer this question. How did Man United go from being shit to being up in the top four without spending money? Celebrate America's 250th with Dish. For a limited time, get an extra$250 off when you sign up. Call 888-ADDISH or visit DISH.com today and use code DISH250 to claim your$250 savings. That's 888-ADDISH. Offer ends August 12th. Terms apply.

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49:50Bro's talking sense He is He is Because it's the only way to do it Andre Welcome to the Members Club Thank you very much As ever Neves is flying at PSG Yeah Yeah Yeah Rakesh says You're again contradicting yourself But I don't know what I'm contradicting myself about if you don't tell me what I'm contradicting myself about because I don't think I'm contradicting myself. Ruben needs a deputy with tactical nous. Get Xavi in ASAP, says Taekwondo. And look at Liverpool about spending. We need to spend, yes, but look at Liverpool. No, but Raj, that's... You've sort of walked into the trap there. I've put the cheese down and you've gone and had a nibble and bang.

50:38You've broke your neck with stupidity. Should have kept your mouth shut. Like, what are you talking about? Look at Liverpool. Of course, we don't need to look at Liverpool. That's the point. We've spent a billion pounds in the last 10 years and we've bloody wasted it. We don't need to look at Liverpool's summer. We're the masters of it. We're the masters of the universe when it comes to crap spending. But you, all right, I'll say to you, I'm saying the way Man United get back on top is we need to buy five or six top class players ASAP. Can't go for young players. Can't go for scrimpy players. we've got to go best players we can get ASAP obviously this ownership can't afford it that's part of the problem but that's what we need to do that's the way we need to do it right you're saying we shouldn't spend money right what should we do then we don't spend money on better players we're not going to get any better so I find that I find it futile when people go oh well you know spending money might not be the answer well why what is then what is what is the solution because it's definitely not chucking in kids into this environment and watching them sink.

51:44And it's definitely not relying on the players that we've already got who have let us down numerous times before. We need new players and they need to be leaders and they need to be experienced and they need to know what they're doing. And you know what? If you had Ollie Watkins up front, maybe that helps Maynou. Maybe that helps Erasmus. Maybe that helps Essesco. If you bring in a midfielder who knows what they're doing, maybe that helps Dorgue. Maybe that helps Yaro, you know? Giff says bro spitting facts. Look, in relation to money, though... Sorry, the Christmas jumper is still available, but it's very hot because it just fell down my back.

52:27Lovely. Very nice if you want to get one. We've still got a few, haven't we? We've still got this one. Check it out, United Stand Shopify Rashford, very, very quickly, Rashford So, I can't remember where this is coming in from I think it's coming in from the Spanish reports Obviously we know they've got a first refusal

52:54Barcelona, but PSG are apparently sniffing around I see this as a positive for United, really I mean Barcelona were very poor the other night I'm not going to spend a load of time on this I'm just going to say Look we need to raise money If we want to buy players Because we don't have that ownership That's going to put their hand in the pocket And find ways to get money into the football club Which we could do but we don't do They hide behind FFP They hide behind challenging circumstances Todd Bowley doesn't do that He sells hotels He sells women's teams He gets money in and they spend it Man United don't want to do that So we need to get money in And the best way we're going to get money in is going to be from player sales.

53:32So Rashford wage and price represents that opportunity. I think Barcelona might not go for Rashford. They might not be able to afford it. And if they do, they'll probably try and play silly boogers. So he is doing okay. And I think if PSG look at him and go, that's interesting, then that's always a positive for us. I do worry about him coming back to United one day. I do worry about the change of a nightmare situation with him coming back to Man United because I think for him and for us we do need to move on but you know it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Amram's gone we go back to a 4-3-3 and the next manager goes I think I can get something out of Rashford and we go around that cycle again so I wouldn't rule that out that's part of why I wanted to say it.

54:16Give us your realistic six players list we need.

54:22Realistic I mean that mate that's very difficult to do off the top of my head. two midfielders I would go for would be Elliot Anderson and Stiller whether that's realistic or not they're available I'd go for those so that's those two locked down as a striker look I'm of an opinion now that in the summer summer you can afford to be idealistic and you know hopeful I want to be realistic now I probably would go for an Ivan Tony or an Ollie Watkins because I think they'll score me goals so I would go for an experienced striker not a 33 year old but you know Harry Kane's, look at what Harry Kane's doing at 31, 32.

54:57So Ollie Watkins or Ivan Tony in their late 20s, they wouldn't worry me. We need a striker that can put the ball in the back of the net.

55:07Obviously, I think we need another goalkeeper. I'd personally be looking at, you know, I wouldn't rule out a Martinez from Villa, you know. I know that's controversial to say that. I like Lamens. I'm not bothered about the mistake on Monday. He will make mistakes. goalkeepers make mistakes that will happen but I think we need an experienced goalkeeper maybe to replace Lemans or at least push Lemans so I think we need a goalkeeper and I would bring I would bring in two wide players two wide players I mean ideally it would be Hakimi and Mendez but that's not going to happen so I need two wide players that can come into that team straight away I think people like Dorgue would benefit from a really experienced left-sided player and um and down the right hand side you know someone to compete with Ahmad like because Ahmad might be able to play as a 10 sometimes so I want two wide backs two midfielders a striker and a goalkeeper and most of those are going to be players that can hit the ground running in fact all of them are they're all going to be players that are playing football week in week out where they are at the moment um no prospects no more prospects I don't think it's the I'm excited about Yoro and Dorgou and Sesko when we signed them, but I can't remember the last one that we actually developed.

56:21So why are we buying development when we're not ready for it? We need to buy ready to go. And this is another reason why I'm stunned that United want the Labour. I had a nightmare that United's current state owners won't change in our lifetime. Tom, it could be a reality. Let's be real. Rashford didn't play the last match for Barcelona. So simply read, yeah, he was on the bench with Rafinha. I was also going to mention the APKON very, very quickly. I think we've got to do something about that. That Everton loss was not meant to happen. These next 10 games were meant to be very winnable. And I do not want to be going...

57:05Apparently, we might be able to keep Embermo, Ahmad and Masraoui until the Villa game which I think is just before Christmas and they'll be available for Bournemouth and Wolves, I think it is we need to move we need to make that happen because if Cesco's not back and we haven't got Embermo and Ahmad and the way we played on Monday night I think anybody can beat us I don't care if it's Wolves, I think they can beat us so we need to do something there I know we did it with Inanna we need to do something there like this is you know we literally can't afford to lose any more games in the next nine I'm sure we probably will but we had 30 points we wanted to hit at least 22 the max we can get at the moment is 27 if we win all nine we need to try and keep them available Dalit would massively benefit from a decent midfielder this is slow sports news I could talk to you about the midfield all day I watched the Everton game and the inability to play through the middle is astounding.

58:15Even before the goal and then after the goal, Bruno and Casemiro are locked. The defence have got the ball and they're locked off. Everton have locked off our midfield, so we've got to go down the wide and put the crosses in. And I'm looking at Bruno and looking at Casemiro and they're locked off. They're not making any movements to receive the ball. You watch a Manchester City or an Arsenal or a Chelsea, their midfielders are moving. They're moving around all the time to receive the ball so that they can play through the middle. And Bruno and Casemiro, they were locked off against Everton. We couldn't get the ball into them.

58:50And that's madness. That's the whole point of having three centre-backs is that you give yourself... You play a back four and you've got two midfielders. You can still play out, but you've got less options. you've got three centre-backs, like, there's an overload. You know, you dribble the ball into the midfield yourself or one of the centre-backs goes into the midfield and presents an overload, which gives Fries up. I mean, it's basic. It's so basic. The inability to play through the middle when we've literally got an extra man there is madness. But I think that comes down to the midfield profile.

59:28I think if you dropped Rhys James and Kaiseido in instead of Casemiro and Bruno, they'd find the space. I think if you dropped Tonali and Bruno G in there, they'd find the space. I think it's the profile of the midfield again. But it killed us on Monday. The inability to play through the middle absolutely killed us, especially in the second half. I mean, yeah, we can get down the wide because that's, you know, Everton at half time. If you're David Moyes, you're going to go, look, there's no way we can stop them having chances. They're going to have chances. We've just got to decide what sort of chances we want them to have.

59:59Do we want them shooting from the edge of the box? Do we want them having crosses into the box. They obviously made the decision, we back ourselves on crosses. But they know Pickford's going to have to pull off a couple of good saves. They know their defenders are going to have to have eight, nine out of ten performances. And their decision was, we'll deal with crosses. And they locked us down the middle. And we couldn't find a way through with an extra amount. It's incredible. I mean, you literally could have took a centre-back off, put an extra midfielder in like Agate and overloaded the way to find the way through the middle but we couldn't do it mad absolutely mad that's low IQ though and that's why I do agree with people like um I don't think Amram should have to change his formation he was appointed as a 3-4-3 coach if we went to a 4-3-3 we'd be a better team because these players can only play a 4-3-3 and that's an insult to their intelligence but they can only play a 4-3-3 they can't they're not intelligent enough to play this system, which is why you need to bring better players in.

1:01:00Contradiction everywhere. Why did Ineos do it? Why did they bring in a manager for a team that doesn't play that way and then not give in players ready to play it? Let's bring a manager in that plays a completely different system to the way these players want to play, and then let's buy in young players who also need to learn it as well. Yeah, but as I said to you yesterday, factually, the first two years of Ineos were worse than we were two years ago. I just don't think they know what they're doing at the moment. I don't think they know what they're doing. Fantastic show this morning. Nice to be in the studio.

1:01:33We've got Ben Jacobs on the show at 2. Check out that. We're going to be leading on Belieber and why Man United are going for Belieber when he's playing badly. Why do they still want him? We'll talk about that and a lot of other things as well. Join us live at 2 for that. I might make a little cameo. And preview tonight for Palace. Probably the biggest preview we've done in a while because there's a few things that need to happen. Take care. Stay safe. Make sure you subscribe. Smash the like on the video. I'll speak to you in a bit.

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