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8 Dec 2025 · 55m · 18 chapters

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265: Shock Transfer Bid! Amorim's Last Game?

In short

Manchester United transfer and match-day talk, focused on midfield targets and whether Ruben Amorim’s job is on the line vs Wolves.

Guests

No named guests in the transcript; it’s Mark Goldbridge speaking with live chat contributions.

Guest/host backgrounds (from transcript)

Mark Goldbridge is the host of “The United Stand,” covering Manchester United news and transfers. Chatters include “Lee,” “Steven,” “Savage,” “Kai,” “Tom,” “Chip,” “Roy,” “Nick,” etc., but none are identified beyond their comments.

Key claims

  • Adam Wharton’s agent says the plan is for Wharton to reach Champions League football; United likely can’t get him in January, but might in summer if they offer CL.
  • Strong skepticism about signing João Pedro “Belayba/Balaba” (spelled inconsistently): described as a “red flag,” a possible one-season wonder, lacking discipline, and a risky recruitment choice.
  • United should prioritize proven leaders (e.g., 26-year-old mentality) over expensive 18-year-old prospects like Ayoub Bouadi (Lille) for ~£50m.
  • If Crystal Palace’s Marc Guéhi were available, the host argues he still wouldn’t choose United over top clubs.

Notable examples

  • Comparisons to past United failures with young signings (Yoro, Dorgu, Yoro/others mentioned) and to Caicedo’s development at Brighton.
  • References to Ronaldo/Fabregas needing senior support, and to “Class of 92” standards vs current Glazer-era commercialism.
  • Match context: Wolves are portrayed as very weak; Amorim’s result vs Wolves is framed as potentially decisive for his future.

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Chapters

0:00

Transfer News: Adam Wharton

Discussion on Adam Wharton's future and Manchester United's transfer strategy.

“If modern life feels a little loud, you're not alone.”
1:40

Transfer News: Adam Wharton

Discussion on Adam Wharton's future and Manchester United's transfer strategy.

“We'll talk about that later, but we're here to talk about the latest news.”
3:17

Concerns About Player Recruitment

Mark expresses worries about Manchester United's recruitment strategy and player choices.

“Now, Crystal Palace are in a great season at the moment.”
6:15

The Belayba Debate

A critical analysis of the potential signing of Belayba and its implications.

“You know, when you look at most players that sign for Man United, it doesn't go well.”
14:06

Evaluating Player Mentality and Transfer Risks

Discussion on the mentality and performance of potential transfer targets for Manchester United.

“And we've done this so many times as a football club.”
17:44

Comparing Gallagher and Belaber Transfers

Analyzing the differences between potential transfers of Gallagher and Belaber.

“We will be talking about that in about 10 minutes.”
20:27

The Need for Proven Players in Manchester United

Debating the importance of experienced players versus young talent for Manchester United's future.

“People are losing faith in Dorgu, which I think is incredible.”
26:06

Critique of Current Player Attitudes

Criticism of Manchester United players' attitudes and lack of accountability after poor performances.

“And they've got no fucking idea how to actually end up making him the next Caicedo because they haven't got anything in that football club that provides that opportunity.”
28:00

Training Photo Controversy

Discussion about the appropriateness of taking training photos after poor performances.

“And Saturday, you're in the gym and the communications and marketing photographer comes in and goes, lads, do you mind doing some pictures while you're in training?”
32:12

Transfer Talk: Gehi's Future

Exploration of potential transfer targets and the current state of Manchester United.

“Nobody does it better than Regent Seven Seas Cruises.”
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32:29

Transfer Talk: Gehi's Future

Exploration of potential transfer targets and the current state of Manchester United.

“I actually think Anderson and Wharton are already not gettable.”
36:48

Ugarte's Poor Signing Profile

Critique of Ugarte's signing and speculation about his future with the club.

“It was like, what happens when players don't want to come to us anymore?”
42:00

Evaluating Ugarte's Impact at United

Discussion of Ugarte's performance and the disappointment around his signing.

“We spend so much time talking about Maynou, but Ugarte's only been here 18 months.”
46:19

Debating Manchester United's Current Form

Discussion around predicting results for upcoming matches and frustrations with inconsistent performances.

“On the plus side with Belaber, at least he hasn't dropped off whilst at the club and is doing it beforehand, makes a change, says Nick.”
48:24

Amrim's Future: Should He Stay or Go?

Speculation on Amrim's potential departure if the team loses to Wolves and discussions on club standards.

“Wolves are factually one of the worst Premier League sides in history.”
50:52

Pressure to Win Against Wolves

The need for Manchester United to secure a win against Wolves and the implications of not performing.

“So you might find that incredible, but they won't do it.”
56:01

Match Predictions and Concerns

Discussing the upcoming matches, team performance, and potential challenges.

“As I said last night, if you don't beat Wolves, it's not like, oh my God, I'm out.”
59:31

FA Cup Draw Expectations

Anticipation for the FA Cup draw and thoughts on potential matchups.

“Your child wakes up in the middle of the night with a high fever, and the pharmacy is closed.”
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1:27Save big money at Menards. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge, and this is your latest Manchester United news and transfer news this Monday, the 8th of December, 2025. It's a match day as well, and we have got lots to get into. Could it be Anrim's last game? We'll talk about that later, but we're here to talk about the latest news. We've got updates on Beliba Ugarte, a young French midfielder that we might be looking at as well. Apparently, we're interested in Gehi. Adam Wharton's agent has spoken about the plan that they have as well. So lots of things to get into this morning on the United stands.

2:04And I think some interesting avenues to go down as well. The interesting point is where to actually start, because I think that with every story we have, especially transfer related this morning, I think it sort of shines a light on the reality of Manchester United. For example, I look at this story that's coming in this morning. I think I read it in the Manchester Evening News about Manchester United looking at a French midfielder called Ayoub Bouadi, who is being looked at by Real Madrid, Inter Milan, Bayern, 18 years of age, could cost about£50 million. He's played 18 times for Lille this season.

2:40Is that the right sort of player for Manchester United to be looking at? Is that the right sort of player to come into Manchester United? We've also got Bayern Munich, who are apparently looking at Belayba. Adam Wharton's plan is basically around the Champions League. In fact, I think we'll start with that one. We've got Turkey interest in Galatasaray. I'm talking about the country Turkey, not the one that's going to be on everyone's Christmas table. And also we've got this story about Gehi as well, that apparently we're looking at him. He's available on a free transfer. So there's interesting avenues with each one of those stories.

3:16But I think the one that's most credible I want to start off with, because I want to start with a bit of credibility, is that Adam Warton's agent has actually spoken about the future of Adam Warton. Now, Crystal Palace are in a great season at the moment. They will be above us tonight, even if we win, even though we beat them last season. But this is what Warton's agent said. Now, Warton is a player that's going to be on Manchester United's shopping list. obviously Elliot Anderson's been mentioned, Belaber we'll talk about with the latest update in a moment, maybe Angelo Stiller, maybe Connor Gallagher, maybe Manu Kone, maybe a couple of other players as well.

3:50But this is a bit of a warning when the agent of a player is saying this, because I think this is where I said this last summer, how many more times are we going to get away with players that liked Manchester United when they were growing up? Kunja and Mbema are in their mid-twenties. 12 years ago, they'd be 13 years of age. That would have been just the end of United under Sir Alex. You'd still have people like Rooney, Van Persie. United would still have an aura. So you've still got that as a kid. Oh, I love Man United as a kid. But how many more years are we going to get a bye with that? You know, if you're 22 years of age, when you were 12, we were shit.

4:28So, you know, what is it that we're going to be able to offer these players unless we can go, oh, remember the days of Rooney and Sir Alex? I mean, those days are going to be, you're going to have to be about 40 soon to remember that. I mean, I exaggerate, but it won't be that long. So this is what the agents of Adam Wharton said. Personally, I think to play for England, you have to play Champions League football. And to play in the Champions League, you've got to play for one of the top teams in the top leagues. That jump to a Champions League team, I think you can get lost. The plan below that was to play for a Premier League team.

4:58We have got a plan. He's 21. I have to check myself to remember that every now and then. It doesn't have to be achieved yesterday, today or this moment. he's got his in-game in-season targets and goals he's got to do his bit and the rest will look after itself in a very structured calm way to ultimately add value and maximize his ability I mean it's a very mercenary way to talk about Adam Wharton as his agent but ultimately that's what agents are they'll be looking at you know hand in hand improving his career whilst improving their wallets so look I think they had the planning to come into the Champions League and play sorry they had the plan to come into the premier league and play regularly i think he went from blackburn to palace they've done that the next jump is going to be champions league football and that's clearly we've heard that before about adam wharton and i think over the next few months regardless of what happens on the field we know we need to sign midfielders um we do have to look at that and go well look is that a viable option for manchester united this this this january no No, it's not.

6:01He's not moving in January. Absolutely not. Is he moving in the summer? Probably, but we're going to need Champions League football. And also, you've got an agent there that is obviously very focused on, you know, season targets, two-year targets, three-year targets to achieve what the best outcome for their player. And I think this is something that sort of worries me a little bit, because if I was an agent of Adam Wharton or any player, I'd be going, it better be a bloody big payday at Man United because the chances of my career falling off a cliff are pretty high. You know, when you look at most players that sign for Man United, it doesn't go well.

6:37So if I'm going to Man United, you better be giving me life changing money because it's not like this is the best place to go for my career. So I don't, you know, we were talking about this last night about United's reluctance to do stuff in a January transfer window, but pretending that they like to steal a march on other clubs. I think we're going to struggle in the summer. I really do. I think there's going to be some good targets, but we didn't do well with our striker targets. There was a lot of striker targets available and we didn't get our top four. I think Cesco's a good signing, but he wasn't in our top four.

7:09So I think the same thing happens with the midfield. Oh, we're not going to do anything in January because we're going to do it in the summer. But those summer targets are going to be very difficult to do because Adam Wharton's probably going to want to go to a stable club where there's Champions League football. Do we offer stability? Do we offer Champions League football? I'd love to say yes, but at this moment in time, no. The thing is, these players don't wait till May to do talks either. In May, we might have Champions League football, but can we offer it in March? which I very much doubt will be in a position where we can go.

7:41We're definitely in that. But other clubs might be able to go, yeah, we'll have a chat with you in March. We really, really want you. We're definitely going to be in the Champions League. You can see we're a stable club and that becomes problematic then, doesn't it? Lee says, good day, Mark. Hope you're well. My question is off topic. Why is United the only team boasting about 16-year-old signings but not signing what we need? First team players, we seem like a small club mentality and Wilcox makes me sick. because Man United, well, I know the answer to this. I think many of you know the answer to this.

8:11Manchester United are basically scraping around the barrel for positivity. Some clubs have so much positivity, they don't need to shout about it. We will shout about anything we can. If we beat Wolves tonight, it'll be all over Instagram because any little positive they jump on. That's why Wilcox was walking out the Palace game saying to journalists, trust the process because we've scraped a win and he can go, oh yeah we're heading in the right direction but um i don't think it's um yeah i think it's because there's a lack of positivity um uh steven says personal terms already agreed with belabor so there is an interesting story about belabor this morning um it's coming in from i can't get the name right of this um satire tavalieri um he's basically saying that by munich have belabor on their shortlist, but the player's priority is a move to Manchester United.

9:04I've got to be honest here. I'm in a good mood this morning. I think hopefully we're going to win. It's the start of another week. The Christmas tree is up. There's no reason to be in a bad mood. But honestly, every time I hear the word belabor at the moment, my stomach does turn. Savage says, please send him to Bayern. I don't like this deal at all. And I think we're going to do it. I think we're going to do it because it's easy. And I think we're going to do it because he's desperate to sign for us and I don't rate this player I really don't um I do not rate him I think he's a massive red flag and I think United are going to do what United do and make a big mistake here somebody was saying last week in the chat he's a flop before he signed and you know what I sort of understand what they mean because you look at Agathe some people turned on Agathe very very quickly now they may not be wrong but they didn't give him a chance um and that that sort of probably does i need to just dwell on that for a moment because that probably doesn't make sense i didn't like the way some people were giving agate nicknames and saying he was shit from day one now he may well end up being that but surely there has to be a period of you know patience and time i think that we're not nobody's right in football and if you get a section of the fan base before a players even here going he's shit they've they're up against it from the start and i think with belaba i think some people would see him as a flop before he's even signed i certainly don't think he's the exciting signing he might have been in the summer um and and there's not you know it's a tired topic but i don't trust united's recruitment i don't trust wilcox i don't trust the board's recruitment strategy and I don't trust Belaber.

10:53So, and Brighton won't sell him cheap either. I just think this is one of those deals where you're convinced it's the right person, but everyone else is saying no. It's like your mate who's going out with someone and you know that they're not good for you. And they're like, no, I'm in love with them. And you're like, all right, crack on. You do it. I really hope it works out. I really do. I really hope it works out, but I'm not. And look, there's people in the chat who really like the Labour. I think he's got a bit of a player FC vibe about him already, but the reality is across this season for Brighton, he's been predominantly crap.

11:28He has had some games where he's been okay, but I'd say 80 % of his games, he's been crap. Now, this is your audition. You didn't get your move to Man United. So this is your point to prove. And your point to prove is 80 % of the time, you're not switched on. I just think, you know, apparently we've got a no dickheads policy. I'm not saying he's a dickhead, but I don't think he's got the right head. I don't think he's got the right mentality. I think he's shown, you know, an inconsistency that shouldn't be happening. And I just think that there are too many red flags with Balaba. But I do think United will do that deal.

12:05And we're already being told that, you know, the data. Well, at the end of the day, when I look at Balaba, I don't really care about his performances. I don't really care about what people think. We've looked at him. We've put it through the computer. And everything said in 2025 summer that he will be one of the best midfielders in the world. And we've just stopped looking at the stats ever since then. And that's incredible. That's incredible. All your data from last season has to be merged with the data from this season. You can't just go, you know, in August, everything was OK. how many people had situations in August that aren't the situation in December so you know I don't look I don't uh Drush says mate come on look I'm not disrespecting the fact that some of you like Belayba but you have to respect the fact that some of us are going this is a big red flag you if you're sat there saying signing Belayba I just think you may as well stick a poster up on your wall because tell me tell me why let's have a let's have a grown-up conversation we've been known this for a very long time.

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14:27And we've done this so many times as a football club. If me and you are the CEOs and you're trying to convince me to sign for Labour, you've got to do a lot better than, I think it's going to work. I think he's a good player. Because I'd go, well, I thought that in the summer. He played shit when he came to Old Trafford. In fact, he had to delete an Instagram post joking about signing for us. He's been shit most games for Brighton. He's been dropped. He's been subbed on 60 Minutes most games, that doesn't show me a player that we showed interest in in the summer. How's he reacted to that? He's bottled it.

15:01I mean, that's not it for me. So look, I ain't doing this deal, but I think United would. However, you know, Gene says his talent is still there, but I'd never pay 100 million. But, you know, Jadon Sancho's talented, mate. Whatever you think, Jadon Sancho's talented. Di Maria is talented. Alexi Sanchez is talented. If we're signing players on talent, you've learned nothing over the last... You've learned nothing, John. You've learned nothing, John Snow. If we're signing players because they're talented, oh my God, where have you been for 10 years? Open your eyes. You can't just sign players because they're talented.

15:38You've got to sign players on their mentality. His mentality this season is shocking. And people can say, oh, you're being unfair. I don't care. The only, I don't care about Amrim. I don't care about the players. I don't care about the owners. The only thing I care about is Manchester United and I have to do what I think is best for Manchester United. Now, I've got no say, but I have an opinion. My opinion is we shouldn't be going anywhere near the labour. There are other midfielders, Adam Wharton, Elliot Anderson and others who have performed from August to today. They know they're in the shop window in the summer and they're performing.

16:14Balaba knows we wanted him and he's gone, I'm interested. Brighton didn't let me go, so I'm not interested. Or even worse, he is trying and he's shit. Why has he gone shit? Is it because he's down tools? That's a worry. Or is it because he's just not that good? That's the question, isn't it? Why is it Balaba's gone from being really talented and performing well to not performing well? Is it because he's down tools? Bad mentality. Or is it because he can't replicate last season and he's been figured out, well, that's a concern. Which two? Which of the two are the problem? Because if he's a one-season wonder, don't go anywhere near him.

16:51If he's downing tools because he's not happy with Brighton, don't go anywhere near him. That's my problem with Belaba. Now, if he suddenly starts playing really well for the rest of the season, you've got to have a look at it again and go, maybe he's learned his lesson. But, you know, we're speaking about Adam Wharton's agent there. But Labour's agents should be talking to him and saying, they're not wrong what they're saying. They're not wrong. They're not wrong. They're absolutely right. You had a dream move in the summer that didn't happen because Man United didn't want to pay what Brighton wanted.

17:24And since then, you're playing rubbish. So people are going to go, you've got a weak mentality or you're a one-season wonder. That's down to you. That's down to you. Feel like the players will let us down today. I hope it won't happen again on the plus side, the Amrims last game, hopefully. Okay. We will be talking about that in about 10 minutes. So we will talk about that. Gallagher deal is just as risky as the Belaber one, says Kai. Well, it is and it isn't. I mean, I wasn't going to talk about Gallagher, but the difference between Conor Gallagher and Belaber is that you're talking about£25 million instead of£70 million.

18:06and you're probably talking, you know, better wages, but also you're probably talking about a loan deal. I think it's a very different deal, Conor Gallagher and Belaber, to be honest with you. If his head's dropped just by being linked to his, imagine when he actually signs and the scrutiny that comes with that. I mean, that is a great name, not prepared. And it's also a great point. Is he prepared for that? Look, look, look, look, look. I think there are people that could be employed by Manchester United that are like you and I who get what it is to be a Man United player and understand the scrutiny and the pressure.

18:40I think we have people within that football club who don't understand the scrutiny and the pressure. And it was amazing video we did yesterday about these leaks coming out from Deleu and other people about the mentality in that dressing room and how they don't like criticism. I mean, you know, let's just take that back for a minute. So apparently the players don't like the class of 92 because the class of 92 criticised them and the players feel that the class of 92 should be protecting them. Imagine if this gets under our players, if criticism in the media from ex-players gets under the skin of our players, no wonder they don't turn up in games where crowds are on their back.

19:23I mean, it's just weak, weak, weak, weak. And we don't need weak mentality players at Man United. And that's why I look at certain players that we've been linked to and I go, they're not going to be the answer. I mean, if they can't deal with that at Brighton, how are they going to deal with what goes on at Man United? Because I tell you what, you don't come to Man United and get a big arm round your shoulder and everyone's saying, don't worry, mate. You, you be you. You take your time. Oh, you've had a bad game. Don't worry. I mean, with the best will in the world, we are very demanding. We're very demanding as fans and I don't have a problem with that.

19:56But, you know, you need the best of the best when it comes to mentality at Man United. And we can see every week what happens when you don't have that. Can Belaver play double pivot with Bruno, says Pio? Well, he can play double pivot, whether he can play with Bruno, whether anyone can play with Bruno. I don't know. Slazy says, how many one season wonders have we signed before that? There have been a success for us. Belaver had one good season in an overperforming Brighton side. Brighton are actually playing better this season than last season and he can't perform in it. anyway look this this leads on to another story I want to get into this match today in Amrim but there's a few bits I want to talk about so this came in from I read it in the Manchester Evening News so this 18 year old Ayoub Boadi of Lille is a midfielder that Man United have been linked to apparently for about 50 million pounds a bit of excitement around it this morning highly rated teenage midfielder uh been linked to big clubs man united apparently interested um and you know i've heard people going yeah this this could be the next yoro for manchester united absolutely do not like the look of this type of a deal um at all um not at all i mean i just i'm getting the words maynu ganacho dorgu yoro and out of those four players over the last 12 months what's happened to them.

21:25People are losing faith in Dorgu, which I think is incredible. Some people are starting to turn on Yoro, which I think is incredible. Ganacho's now at Chelsea and Mainu's on his way out the door. I mean, I'm sorry, it's getting to a point now where I'm no longer excited about Man United being linked to potentially brilliant teenagers because I don't see that as the solution for Man United. I think if you're Arsenal or you're Man City, it works really well because stability, good football, good managers, development, nurturing, senior pros who can help them do that. You know, I see that at Man United.

22:09I see an 18 year old for 50 million coming in and the whole fan base going, he's got to hit the ground running and be a leader straight away. And you go, oh, my God, that just cannot happen. That cannot happen. And that cannot be the solution. We need 26-year-old proven leader signing for Man United in our midfield. That's what we need. I mean, people talk about age and that. I mean, and it will never happen. But I'd be more excited about Kimmich signing for Man United at his age than it would be about this lad. Because what we need right now is specialists with the right mentality who can come straight into that team and lead.

22:46I think that's why De Ligt's been a good signing because although he didn't really get much of a you know much praise De Ligt's worked really well because he's been at Ajax he's been at Juventus he's been at Bayern Munich he was 24 he's gone into the team he's got a lot of experience he's still got a lot to prove that sort of signing is the one that Man United should be looking at I'm not I don't think we're going to sign this lad by the way but we did sign Yaro and I didn't think we'd do that. But if our recruitment team really thinks signing 18, 19, 20-year-olds is going to take this club back to the top, they're mad.

23:19They're absolutely mad. This signing is just not the right sort of signing for me. So look, we have been linked in. Even better, Nuno Mendes is perfect as United Times. Yeah, well, Nuno Mendes is perfect. Hakimi is perfect. Neves in the midfield, Vettinia, you know, PSG want to give us some of their players. Plenty of them would be perfect, but I think the profile of player we need is not 18-year-olds. I mean, look, the best will in the world, he could be the next Kante, he could be the next Zidane, he could be the next Patrick Vieira, but he wouldn't be. If we had Cesc Fabregas at 18 at Man United now, he wouldn't be the Cesc Fabregas that went to Barcelona later in his career.

24:04if we had Ronaldo now he wouldn't be the Ronaldo that went around Madrid and people can't get their head around that because they go well they would because of no no they wouldn't because that Ronaldo went into a team surrounded by senior players to help and nurture him and guide him he'd still be really talented but he wouldn't have the nurturing so he wouldn't be the same player and the same with Fabregas he went into an Arsenal side where there was a lot of good players around him. You drop Fabregas and Ronaldo in United's team now at 18. Dread to think where they'd be at 20. I'm not saying he'd be playing for Preston, but you can't just...

24:42It's like what Ineos have done with Amrim. Oh, Amrim's a good manager at sporting. If we recruit him, we'll be a good team at Man United. No, you've got to give him the things that helped him do it. You don't just take 18-year-old Ronaldo and end up with the same Ronaldo that existed when he was 22 at Man United. You don't, that doesn't happen. You have to have everything around them. And we don't have that. So getting excited about, oh, this could be the next Caicedo. But Caicedo is Caicedo because he went to Brighton, they loaned him out, they nurtured him. Then he went to Chelsea. At United, it'd be a flop because we don't know how to nurture talents.

25:23And I think we're getting really lost in that. I think the club are getting lost in that. They're obsessed with recruiting these young players. And they think the lad that they've just bought in, is it Orozco or someone like that? Oh, he could be the next Caicedo. They're really excited. It's almost like they buy. It's like buying a plant, right? And the owner says you've got to water it every day. You've got to give it direct sunlight, take it out of sunlight at this time, and you'll end up with a beautiful plant, right? Man United would buy that plant, not feed it, not put it in sunlight and think it's going to grow.

25:59And that's the problem we have at the moment. I think we go, oh, we've got this 17 year old. He could be the next Caicedo. And they've got no fucking idea how to actually end up making him the next Caicedo because they haven't got anything in that football club that provides that opportunity. Like, you know, you look at, look, I've already said Ronaldo. I've already said Cesc Fabregas. The class of 92 wouldn't even be a sentence if we didn't have Roy Keane, Eric Cantona and that leadership team and that nurturing around them and Sir Alex Ferguson. It wouldn't happen. You had the class of 92 now, forget it.

26:37It wouldn't work. It wouldn't work because we've got no idea what we're doing. Tom Grant says, morning all. So no, we shouldn't be looking at 50 million pounds for an 18 year old midfielder. that's not the answer. Imagine an 18-year-old next to Bruno Fernandes in the midfield being shouted at and, you know, thinking he's going to get a slap from octopus hands flowing him around all the time. I mean, I couldn't think of anything worse for an 18-year-old midfielder with talent than playing next to Bruno Fernandes in a midfield too. I think it would be, you know, I think he'd be suffering from trauma very, very quickly.

27:09Morning all, I'm surprised no one has kicked off at this club like Salah has, apart from Ronaldo. How long this can go on, we wonder, another decade, says Tom. I mean it's a great point Tom um it is a great point and it sort of fits in with the next bit of story I wanted to talk about why is it that in the last five years Cristiano Ronaldo is the only person who sat down and said this Manchester United is a shit show now obviously had a reason to do it on his way out the door but it still surprises me that you know we've still got all these morons turning up for training with a smile on the face going like this with the boot bag I mean, they're just...

27:47I don't know what they are. I don't know what they are. Can you imagine? Can you imagine, right? Man United taking one point from six. Yeah. And a shit performance against West Ham. And Saturday, you're in the gym and the communications and marketing photographer comes in and goes, lads, do you mind doing some pictures while you're in training? Yeah, don't worry. Delo, I'll be first. Delo pops up. Ooh, yeah. Get this one where I'm doing my little stretches, yeah? Ooh, yeah. Look at that. I'm flexing. Shall I do that as well? Ooh, yeah. Yeah, great one, Delo. That's a lovely one. Anyone else? Anyone else?

28:27Bruno, do you fancy putting your beanie hat on? A bit of a smile? Yeah, love it. You know what Roy Keane would do? He'd grab the camera, shove it up the arse of the photographer and throw him out the window, no matter what floor it was on. imagine walking in to training on a Saturday after that West Ham performance when Man United were decent and saying can we have some photographs for social media I mean oh look Roy Keane's day was the 90s that would still happen in 08 you know you'd get the likes of Vidic and Rooney going and Ronaldo going get the fuck out do you think I want to be smiling on a training photo after Thursday night.

29:07Get the fuck out. But we need it. The Glazers want it because we need to hit our targets on social media for clicks. Shove your clicks up your arse before I shove that camera up your arse. And that's standards as well. And so I think that's a great comment from Tom because what Salah did was over the top for Liverpool. What Ronaldo did was over the top for Liverpool, for Man United. But these players are a symptom of the cancer at United because they just go along with it and we let them go along with it you know if we win tonight they'll all be on instagram going you're cooking bro you know but you have a shit performance against everton two days later they're putting pictures out going like this in the gym you know west ham two days later stretching in the gym we're back in the gym and you go i'm sorry there are players at this football club who achieved a lot more than you who have the word legend next to their name and they wouldn't do that because they read the room and they go, the fans are important to me, the club is important to me, and my standards are important to me, and I don't believe I should be there in a training top flexing in a gym two days after a shit performance like that.

30:21But now it's fine because we've basically, under this Glazer commercialisation, diluted competitiveness to basically a brand. And it was only the other week that United released some new youth tribute to Jimmy Murphy training top. I mean, I don't know where the money goes to that. Hopefully it's going to some sort of foundation. I don't know. But they've got Maynu in it. And you're sort of like going, you don't really care, do you, as long as you're making money? Like you don't actually give a shit about any moral code, shit performance on a Thursday, get some pictures out in the gym on a Saturday.

30:58We're not even using Manu, but get him in that top because it will sell a few more. And that's the moral code of Manchester United Football Club now. It's just money, money, money, money, which ultimately goes into one pot for these owners. And it's laughable. But you make a good point, Tom, because we used to have something called a moral code in our dressing room. Sir Alex Ferguson was the top, but you had people like Neville at gigs. Keane, Vidic, etc. You had people in that dressing room that upheld the standards of the football club. And, you know, you're not doing that. You're not doing that.

31:35And we're not having this. And not now. It's just, yeah, I'll do whatever. Yeah, I'm being paid, aren't I? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me get my top on. 102 miles ago, the oil light came on. 100 miles ago, you'd noticed. Now, it's time to head to take five. This oil change, fall in love with your car all over again. In just 10 minutes, your dream technician will check your tire pressure, top off fluids, change your oil, and verify with Carfax exactly what your car really needs. All while keeping you in the driver's seat. Take five to stay in your car 10-minute oil change. Save up to 30 % on your next oil change to take five.

32:10$15 value. Valid to participating locations. Terms and conditions apply. Nobody does it better than Regent Seven Seas Cruises. Enjoy all-inclusive, unrivalled luxury with unlimited shore excursions, indulgent cuisine, personalised service and more aboard spacious, all-sweet ships. Visit rssc.com to experience the unrivalled. Wharton, Anderson, not gettable. Belaber is what's left, says Roy. Well, that's my concern, Roy. That is my concern. I actually think Anderson and Wharton are already not gettable. And that's why United keep dripping out about data and the Labour because they know they can get in.

32:47But I don't think anyone else wants the Labour, by the way. I mean, that's always a big sign. I don't think Bayern want the Labour. And you know what? In a way, if Bayern do want the Labour, they're in a very unique situation. We cover the Bundesliga on That's Football. Bayern Munich can bring Niklas Jackson in and he'll score goals because they've got so many good players. and you know with all due respect in the Premier League you're not going to go for Nicholas Jackson because he ain't he's not going to perform in the Premier League the Premier League's the hardest league in the world to perform in so they might look at Belaber and go you know what he'd actually be a good midfielder for us whereas how many Premier League clubs are looking at Belaber at the moment I don't think they are um no dickheads isn't the new it's from the New Zealand rugby team and he sponsored and stole it from them takes many types of personalities to make a successful teams as Nate.

33:37Well, Matt, our producer sent me an article last night from three years ago that referenced the no dickheads transfer policy. So it's rehashed anyway from within the club. Certainly. Look, interesting story. This I've left it towards the middle of the show because it's, I believe, complete and utter bollocks. But Miguel Delaney, who I think writes for the independent, saying that Man United are interested in Gehi. Now, laugh all you like, let it all out. the reason I'm bringing it in is well one fold I don't twofold sorry I don't think Miguel Delaney has ever been accurate when it comes to transfer news if someone can tell me one story that'd be interesting but let's pretend let you know let's do a bit of a pantomime here Man United want to sign Gehi from Crystal Palace oh no they don't well oh yes they do okay this actually allows us to create an interesting topic here because let's pretend that man united do want gehi right gehi sorry i always get his name wrong let's pretend man united want gehi right we pick up the phone to gehi and we go hello it's manchester united and he goes hello and they go yeah we really want you and he goes okay um you're a brilliant brilliant institution and let me just be very, very clear.

35:02And I'll put the phone down. He's not put the phone down. What Gehi will say to Manchester United is, I'm right at the top of my game. You know, I'm playing the best football of my life. I've got Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Liverpool and other clubs looking at me. I'm out of contract in the summer. so you know it's going to be a big wage and a big signing on fee and this is the big move of my career at what point did you think picking up the phone to me was a good idea because I'm trying not to laugh and that's the player himself like why would anybody unless he's got like pictures on his wall of Wayne Rooney and Robin Van Persie from when he was growing up and he's a huge Man United fan why would he come anywhere near man united like seriously that's where we are now why would someone like gay he signed for manchester united when he's gonna have the pick of big successful clubs in the next few months unless he's a lifelong man united fan i don't think what i don't think we've got anything and even then he should have a competent agent saying i know you're a lifelong man united fan but they're not that club anymore mate and you're probably going to end your career instantly by going there.

36:24You'll be a shit flop in three months. And why would you do that? And we need to wake up to that, that time that many of you have been discussing on this channel for years, how long before we become a club that players don't want to come to anymore. That used to be a topic. That was a topic two years ago. We weren't at that point yet. It was like, what happens when players don't want to come to us anymore? I think we are definitely, definitely at that point now. I mean, you can pick the phone up to Gehi, but why would he come? Why would he come? And people say, why didn't we go for Cherki? Well, I don't think we did go for Cherki and maybe we should have gone for Cherki, but why would you choose Man United over Man City?

37:12I mean, look at what he's doing at Man City. Would he be doing that at Man United? probably be on the bench you know probably wouldn't be getting any game time things you know would the ball he'd be watching the ball go over his head like a shooting star it wouldn't be getting ball into feet i think people are starting to learn now from evidence that actually you know jude bellingham kai sado both didn't come to man united look at their careers now uh erling harland didn't come to man united look at his career now um i think it's a I think it's a swerve for a lot of players now. And I hate to say it, but I think it's a good swerve.

37:49I think as much as I would love United to be buying some of these players, I can't sit here and say that. Imagine if I sat on a lying test, right? Imagine if Gehi said, I'm going to let Mark Goldbridge decide my future, but I want him on a lying test. I want him on a lying test, right? And we wire me up. And the question is, is it a good idea for Gehi to go to Manchester United for his career? Or should he go to Liverpool? And I'm like, no, don't go to Liverpool because, you know, it looks like they're starting to fall off. Look at the Salah interview. Man United's the place to be. We're on the way up.

38:27And it goes, breaks the machine. Massive liar. So, yeah, of course, I would like Gehi to come to Manchester United. but hand on heart being totally truthful. It's not a good career move. It's not. It's not. The Guy Podcast says, Pulisic is leaked to United, but we have enough tens. I like Pulisic, but you wouldn't go anywhere near him. A lot of injuries and a number 10. Spin says, if we lose to Wolves, gym photos are prohibited. Chip says, Bruno slash Belaber midfield gives me nightmares. Belaber thrived in a free role where he used his athleticism to press and break the lines. He struggles because he lacks discipline to play in a strict system, says Chip.

39:11Yeah, I mean, look, I think what I liked about Belay the last season was that he was all action. I remember him coming on in the second half against Man City at Brighton just over a year ago. And I think they were losing at halftime. And I think he came on at halftime and they obviously let him loose. And he was brilliant. But you're probably right. I think in a more disciplined structure, he hasn't got the discipline. but if you let him go and go go and you know play a little bit freestyle you know press get the ball move the ball he's a much better player which again shows you he's not the finished article which is the third thing for me anyway you know if you're worried about Belaber because of his drop of form or his mentality also be you should also be worried about about him about his tactical indiscipline and the fact that he's not the finished article so not not only are we going to spend a lot of money on a player that's fell off for the last six months we're also going to bring in a player that that needs to be nurtured which we can't do so he's not the finished article anyway um slazy says i can understand to some degree players not going against their employer but there should have been some leaks about hair dries flying around about in the dressing room but apparently it's happy days there they've got no ambition they'll be excited today because they're playing a shit team and they'll get they'll be like they'll be like i can be about a few more hours and i'm on instagram you know they'll be absolutely but you know it'll turn up tonight.

40:33I'm not going to say the words will win because I'm banned from predicting, but United will turn up tonight. They'll be buzzing their tits off today. They'll be like, oh my God, it's Christmas time. We're playing Wolves. Imagine we're going to win. We've got a whole week of, you know, Instagram and glow ups. I might even get a new contract. They'll be buzzing their tits off about this game tonight because look, people talk about Wolves, right? Without predicting in a win for Manchester United. Wolves have got less points than my uncle had on his driving test. He didn't drive and he's been dead 10 years.

41:10So Wolves, I can't explain how shit Wolves are, and that's from Wolves fans. Wolves fans will tell you how shit they are. So, the... Oh, yeah, just before I talk about Amarin. Bruno assists against Wolves and he'll be player of the month against, says Robert McCormack. Oh, yeah. How he's up for player of the month, I don't know. I mean, yeah. Madness. Anyway, one player who probably won't be involved in this game is Agate. Now, he's been linked to a move to Galatasaray in January. I just wanted to talk about very, very quickly before we talk about Amrim. I think it's interesting in relation to Ugarte because, you know what?

42:02We spend so much time talking about Maynou, but Ugarte's only been here 18 months. Incredible. He's only been here 18 months and he's cost us, what, 55, 60 million pounds? And I don't know what his wage is, but I imagine it's considerable.

42:30What an incredibly bad signing that's been for us. And you know what? When I see stories about Galatasaray and Turkey, I actually think, of course, it could be a load of nonsense, but how long before that actually does become a reality? I think we can say it's nonsense because, well, it's Turkish reports, etc. But the point is, it's a little bit like the comment there. Why have we never had any current United players coming out saying what a shambles the club is and how they're wasting their time and career? Why are we not getting stories about Agathe leaving? because this has been a nightmare move for him.

43:19I thought the first season at the club was a mixed bag, but this season's been dreadful. I always think second season, if you have an okay first season as a new signing, you've got to have a good second season. That's the season that matters. That's the, you know, if your first season's up and down, your second season is where you define it. Like you look at Gravenberch at Liverpool. His first season was very up and down. His second season was brilliant. Agate's first season at United was up and down his second season's been shit so realistically yeah lots of conversations around Maynou but really probably should be some conversations around Agate who when is this going to get any better I don't think it is so what is the solution um and I had high hopes for him Rob I really did I think you know I don't want to get all data on it and data dean's not here anymore but he he he the strength of agate across two seasons one at psg and one at sporting was an incredible capacity to win the ball back you know recoveries and we've just not seen that at man united we've not seen it at all i expected us to utilize him as a really aggressive, win the ball back player, play a simple pass to somebody else.

44:40And it just hasn't happened. But you know what? Is he not a victim of a system that doesn't suit him? I think in that midfield two for Amrim, he probably doesn't suit it. He's probably more of a midfield three player, I think. I think his passing ability isn't up to the level to play in a two. But if you put him in a three he could win the ball back and give it to one of the other midfielders but look that's a conversation that needs to be happening like we do need to be looking at a solution around agate because that's another expensive mistake and i think inios hide behind expensive mistakes of the past but that's one of theirs that is one of theirs this is the story of the one the one who keeps multiple buildings running smoothly day after day plumbing that flows hvec that hums cleaning supplies that keep surfaces sparkling.

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46:10All while keeping you in the driver's seat. Take 5, the Stay In Your Car 10-minute oil change. Save up to 30 % on your next oil change to Take 5. $15 value, valid at participating locations, terms and conditions apply. You know. On the plus side with Belaber, at least he hasn't dropped off whilst at the club and is doing it beforehand, makes a change, says Nick. Yeah, he's dropping off. He's dropping off at another club, but we're still looking to buy him, Nick. That's what worries me. You're absolutely right. You know, you could look at Belaber and go, imagine if we'd bought him and got the drop off.

46:38Oh my God, another flop. No, we didn't buy him. He's dropped off, but we still want to buy him. That's the worrying thing. Pray for us, Carragher and Madison on Monday Night Football tonight, says AMG. You don't need to watch that shit. You can just watch Countdown to Kickoff on the United stand and avoid that. I mean, James Madison on a Man United game. Fucking hell. I wouldn't listen to that plonker. Carragher will spend most of the time talking about Salah, so that'll be all right. Mark, just join the chat. Why are you banned from predicting? My condolences on the loss of your uncle, says Reflin.

47:11Sure, Wolves are trash, but it's United still worries, says Tack. Look, I'm banned from predicting results because I said we'd be, I think I said Everton would be an easy win and some morons blamed me when we lost and said that I jinxed it so I just can't be arsed with it so um I just don't bother predicting at the moment but um because apparently it's something to do with me it's nothing to do with the players who can't be arsed to turn up it's nothing to do with the shit ownership or the manager it's it's me if I predict we're going to win easy and we don't it's my fault because people actually believe that one individual has the power to jinx an entire world yeah no absolutely ridiculous but um honestly though i would predict i've sort of it's a self-imposed ban because actually i don't know about you i i can't predict i don't actually know anymore I don't actually know I don't actually want to predict Manchester United results anymore Because I actually don't know In two weeks time when we play Villa Villa should wipe their arse with us at Villa Park We probably win Against Newcastle on Boxing Day Newcastle are way better than us We'll probably win Against Bournemouth next week at Old Trafford They're rubbish They haven't won in ages We should win They'll probably beat us 3-0 I can't predict Man United anymore because, I mean, look, we should win tonight.

48:48Wolves are factually one of the worst Premier League sides in history. They can't score goals. Their fans have given up. They don't have Joao Gomez. We should win this game comfortably. but we might need a dodgy penalty in the last minute you know it would not surprise me then on the other hand we might turn up and win 4-0 um but but predicting it's very very different they're very very difficult uh predict or don't predict we love you man says roblin this community keeps united supporters saying thank you very much pal hope you're doing well um just um i think i've covered all the main news bits i wanted to cover this morning um i do just want to talk to you very quickly about could it be Amrim's last game now bit of a spoiler alert I did sort of talk about this on the show last night but there is a lot of people talking about it this morning we've had somebody come in the chat and say dreading tonight but the one silver lining is if we lose Amrim will be gone um if he loses to Wolves he should be sacked he should be sacked even I would say that you know you you know you're you're over a year into this journey now and if you can't beat Wolves with the players that you've got, then really you should walk or be sacked.

50:04So look, if we did lose tonight, then I completely agree that people are right to say that that should be it. It won't be it. So it won't be his last game. They will still stick with him because that's the mindset that this ownership has now. The standards are so low that they really are just capable of riding any storm. There's no, you know, if they decide they don't want to sack him, what happens? You know, a few United fans get pissed off and call them rubbish. Well, they're used to that. So there is no plan to sack him even if we lose tonight. So we better bloody win. If anybody's out there thinking, oh, this is the chance to get rid of Amrim, they won't sack him.

50:43And I was told that yesterday morning from a very good source that there is no strategy to make a change this week if we lose to Wolves. So you might find that incredible, but they won't do it. So, I mean, I'm not anticipating that anyway. I think the chances of Wolves beating us tonight are, well, shouldn't be very high. But yeah. And you know what? You do get a feeling. You know, with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, I felt like, you know, we're all old enough to remember these days. Like with Ten Hag, I felt like it was close. It felt like it was coming. And maybe that was because Ineos had tried to do it in the summer and bottled it.

51:24But with Ten Hag, you always felt it was coming. With Oli, I think after the Liverpool loss, you felt like he ain't the guy. And then Man City. And then, you know, you felt like it was coming. And you felt that they were preparing for it. With Mourinho, you felt like it was coming and they were preparing for it. The weird thing with Amrim is, as bad as his results have been, and as bad as the football is, you just don't feel like it's coming. You don't feel like there's a result that gets him in trouble. It's just like every bad result we have, it's sort of like, yeah, they're backing him. And I mean, every post-match interview, every player interview, every bit of noise that comes out of the club, you just don't feel that they hold that standard anymore that we think this is unacceptable.

52:16they just are like well we just got to stay we just got to stay we just got to we believe we trust the process just trust the process Tony says you thought Jokerez was the answer to our striker problems now gets benched for Moreno and will be benched for Habits how about you just support him whom I'm meant to be supporting Tony I'm a bit confused by your comment there whom I'm meant to be supporting I don't know who I'm meant to support Am I meant to sport Jokeres on the bench at Arsenal? I don't really get what that point is. Or are you telling me... Who am I meant to be sporting? I don't know.

52:54To be honest with you, Arsenal are top of the league. And Jokeres makes a big difference to that team. When he came on in the first 10 minutes against Villa, it changed the dynamic of their attack and they scored a goal. He occupies defenders. I admit he's not scoring that many goals, but he does occupy defenders. He does make runs that makes differences. And I think Arsenal are a better side with him in it. I thought they were crap in the first half with Moreno, but this is not AFTV. This is the United stand. And Amirim's priority striker in the summer was Jokeres. So I don't know who you're asking me to support, but if I'm supporting Amirim, well, he wanted Jokeres.

53:30So I don't really see what Jokeres has got to do with anything, Tony. I mean, I think you're just making a point that I wanted a player that's not doing that well, but there is no perfect person at football. That's why it's so great. There's nobody out there that gets everything right. I think there are people out there that think they know everything but nobody knows anything about football nobody knows everything um brian says his favoritism and experience of certain players one of the many reasons rumen's job is on the line what his job's not on the line brian that's what i'm trying to say um i think he's under a lot of scrutiny from the fan base but internally his job is not on the line um i'm glad sir jim is level-headed and not reactionary and short-termistic like some of our fans managers need time says k thank you jim and uh predict or don't predict i've done that one from love rovelyn as well um okay let me get into the live chat here um cameron says we backed sir alex i mean are we really going to go back to the 80s you know it was only like 35 years ago um capable of being beating anyone but can lose to anyone says cap or die how are you feeling about the game later i think i think like like like i said last night like i want european football and i don't want that dream to be over at christmas um

54:49i was thinking about this this morning and i want i want to clip it up there was there was a couple of shows last year around christmas where i spoke about where we'll be in a year's time um and i want i want to use them over the next couple of weeks but look I don't want our season to be over at Christmas I want us to have a chance of Europe because it makes things you know mentally more interesting um you lose to Wolves today or you draw to Wolves today and we may as well forget that it's over so there are certain games that you can still be shit and win and I think tonight is one of those games where we've just got to win the game.

55:26If we win 5-0 tonight, we're not back. I know some of the players will be on Instagram pretending we're back. And I know we've got those morons in the fan base that will be saying we're back and sit down all the haters. But if we beat Wolves 5-0 tonight, it'd be a good result, but it won't mean anything massively because they're so bad. So how I feel about the game tonight is just win the game, win the game, get the three points. That's what everybody is doing against Wolves. Nobody has lost to them. Only two teams have drawn to them. They've got Arsenal on Saturday night. They'll beat them. They've got Liverpool on the 27th.

56:03They'll beat them. Beating Wolves, everybody is doing it. So we have to do it. As I said last night, if you don't beat Wolves, it's not like, oh my God, I'm out. It's like, oh my God, we're in trouble if you can't beat wolves i mean that's relegation form so we've just got to win the game tonight and without jinxing it or predicting it i don't see how we can't do that really um and i don't know what the excuse would be if we couldn't do that um so look i always look forward to games and hopefully you know if we can win we can win with a bit of you know a bit of you know a bit of a bit of entertainment would be nice you know i don't want to see diagonal long balls and a low with a fucking towel you know that's not if we win 2-0 and both goals are from a fucking long throw in i mean yeah it could be like this all season but might be enough says Robert McCormack.

57:09It could be. It could be. It just depends whether two or three other teams are going to improve in January and find consistency in the second half of the season because if two or three teams find some consistency, it's goodbye Europe. If Newcastle get in the groove or Villa continue doing what they're doing, it'll be goodbye because I think Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal are gone. Liverpool find some consistency that's another spot gone isn't it so I know what you mean Robert I don't think we can carry on like this and get top 5 I know at the moment we're there but last season the league was like this and we only had 3 points less than this and look at how that ended I think in the second half of the season you tend to get people getting the groove and if we don't get in the groove I think we'll get left behind and that's why we need to do something in January says chilling with Robert exactly exactly thank you so much for watching this morning we've had a super chat here from GD7 he says I know the manager doesn't have the players but we must play better we're not stoked looking forward to the third round FA Cup draw oh yeah well we'll know the FA well we'll be live tonight when the FA Cup draw happens because countdown to kickoff starts at about 6 so we will have the FA Cup draw live on countdown to kickoff I'm really hoping that we get somebody easy at home.

58:36That's no guarantee. Grimsby Town, that's no guarantee. But I really hope we get an easy draw. I do not want a top six team. Having said that, the FA Cup has gone partially behind a paywall this year. BT have acquired it. And I'm absolutely convinced the balls will get a bit warm. And they'll be looking for a big tie in the third round because they've got a brand paying for it now. So I would not be surprised if there is at least one big game in the third round. Cynic, maybe, but it amazes me how every year in the FA Cup third round, there's always a big game. I just hope it's not us. Arsenal, Liverpool would be good.

59:19Not Man United, please. Take care, everyone. I'll speak to you on in a bit. Thanks for watching. And match day today. We'll speak to you a little later. Take care.

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