279: GOLDBRIDGE RANT! Villa 2-1 United Match Reaction

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1:26Oh, I can't listen to the negativity. hold on a minute. I can't listen to your standards being up your arse. I can't listen to this. We're Manchester United. We've been changing positions in the league table more times than a porn star with a bad back. But now we're starting to see the reality of the league table. We've had people going, oh, two points off second. Oh, only a point off fourth. Oh, you know, stop being so negative. I said it was going to settle down and it's bloody settled down now. It really bloody has because guess what? We're 10 points off third and we're three points off Liverpool.

2:02I mean, I can't even remember Liverpool winning a game. How the bloody hell has that happened? This is shit. And I tell you what, if you want to talk about win percentages, it's not a... Don't talk to me. Don't do Gary Neville, who said after Bournemouth, I can live with that if it's entertaining. That's a shit point against Bournemouth. It's a shit point. I'd rather win 1-0 with it going off the referee's arse than play a 4-4 entertaining game. What does it do for me? I need the points. I need to be in Europe. I don't need bloody entertainment. And if I hear somebody else say, well, I know we lost the game, but you know, I can live with that.

2:38We're a bit unlucky. Amorim's win ratio in the Premier League this season is 41%. 41%. Forget last season. God knows what his overall win ratio is. I don't even want to know. Don't even tell me in the chat. I can't deal with it at Christmas. I want to watch the snowmen. I want to have a bloody snowball. I want to be playing bloody Uno and Monopoly. I don't want to listen to bloody win ratios, but his Premier League win ratio this season is 41%, which means if you add Grimsby in, it's below 30s, but it's in the 30s. We sacked Ten Hag with 52. We sacked Oli with 52%. And I guarantee if you add in his, and I refuse to do it, but if you add in his win ratio from last season, it will be down in 30%.

3:23The reason I'm fuming about today is because that's what happens when you take it all together. Too many of our fans live in the moment and go, wow, you know, if Kunja scores that header, it's not Amrim's fault that Kunja didn't score that header. Brentford, Forest, Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Bournemouth, Aston Villa. That's why we are where we are. This is an accumulation of crap results. We did well today. We did do well today. I thought Villa weren't very good, but it's an accumulation of crap results. And can somebody, for the love of God, tell me what the positive is about today? Well, we created a couple of chances.

4:06What style of play do we play? Can somebody tell me what style of play we play, right? What is it we do? What is it we do? Are we a possession-based team? Do we get the ball down the flanks? Are we looking to get crosses into the striker? Are we looking to transition quickly? Are we a counter-back attacking team? What is it we actually do? Because I can't deal with this. Oh, we're only two points off this anymore. Like, I can't. What is it we do? Because my big concern tonight is, and I said this in the preview, if we lose this game, we're 10 points off Villa. I don't think Villa will get top four.

4:44I think Villa could finish fifth. If we're finishing below Villa, we're not in Europe. We're not in the Champions League. I don't think Villa get top four. So that means if Villa are going to finish above us, that's top five gone. Do the maths. Can we close a gap of 10 points on Aston Villa? We can, but not playing like this. Not playing like we have done in the first half of the season. We're dropping too many points. We're dropping too many bad results. And I tell you what. I'll tell you what. Two things. Midfield. Amrim's about to get sat down by all of you, but I'm not going to miss this opportunity.

5:23Oh, I'm not going to miss this opportunity. Man United losing 2-1 to Aston Villa and our fucking right back is running over to the left wing to chuck a throwing in. Oh my God. Right. I'll tell you what. If that's winning, I don't want to win like that. I don't want to win like that. I don't mind the odd game, but we're doing it every bloody week. De Lowe running to the other side of the pitch to chuck a throw in into the box. What's that? We might score occasionally, but all it is, is throw it in there, hope you get a handball or it drops to someone for a tap in. It's shit. Is that the vision of Man United?

6:01De Lowe, get over there and get a towel and throw it in. Oh my God. I can live with, what are we in the league? I don't even know what we are in the league. I don't even know. I know we're 10 points off Villa. What are we? What are we in the league? We're seventh. I can live with being seventh in the league if we're playing a style of football that I like. But this shit's rubbish. Absolutely rubbish. And I can't believe the low is running from one side of the pitch with a bloody captain's armband on to go whoop. I mean, did you see the one where he threw it straight? He was playing catch. playing fucking catch with Martinez when we're 2-1 down.

6:38Oh, mate, if that's what Man United are, what the hell are Ineos and the Glazers and Amrim doing? What is that? Throwing the fucking ball long into the box to try and get back into a game. We're literally stoked United. I just, I don't, I don't, I've said this before. PRV. If you don't get results, this whole, this whole thing falls apart. If he doesn't get a result, he's fucked. And that's what's annoying me. If he doesn't get a result, it's open season. I think Amrim's got to stay till the end of the season. I think he has to stay till the end of the season. But if he doesn't get results, it's open season.

7:17Because PRV, performance, results, vision. Are we getting performance? No. Are we getting results? Not today. And what's the vision? I don't know. I don't know. I genuinely don't know. Joros getting worse under Amrim. He's getting worse. At the start of the season, I thought he was good. Since he got dropped to the Man City game, he's struggling for confidence. Agarte looks shot. Manu's not even there.

7:48Yeah, but I have to say this. On a positive, I'll forget this if I don't say it. Lissandro Martinez in the second half Proved every single one of you right And Ruben Amrim wrong We've been talking about this from the start of the season Why is Casemiro and Bruno playing as a midfield too? Casemiro's got no legs And Bruno's got no discipline Lissandro Martinez comes on in the second half Sits there and plays the simple pass Time and time again And everything good we did Was because of Martinez in that midfield Now, some people are going to get lost in the fact that Bruno getting injured cost us that game.

8:29He didn't. He absolutely didn't. We conceded a Morgan Rodgers goal with Bruno Fernandes on the pitch. And we conceded a Morgan Rodgers goal with Bruno Fernandes off the pitch. In the second half, Agate was crap, but Martinez was good. And I think if you had Martinez and a decent midfielder next to him, we'd be a better team. and this is something that does need to be said in a calm way. So many United fans have been saying all season, your midfield doesn't work. You just need a couple of disciplined players who do their job, win the ball and play it to the better players and Martinez did that for 45 minutes and he may as well have a pair of slippers on a cigar.

9:12It was a piece of piss for him and we don't have anybody who does that and if we had one other player to do it, we'd be a much better team, much better. the reason we kept creating chances is because Martinez would get the ball or win the ball and go Mount how many times did Martinez get the ball and go 50 yard pass to try and get it to the low he got the ball he played it into the feet of Kunia he played it into Mount now we can talk about Kunia and Mount when we're doing player ratings I think Kunia lost his head in the second half best 30 45 minutes I've seen in the first half second half for some reason thought he was or Messi and started trying to do everything.

9:48But I thought Martinez in that second half, if there's any positive, and Amorim won't listen anyway, if there's any positive, there's your clue. Just put two disciplined midfielders in there and we'll be a better team. But I'm worried. I'm worried now. I'm worried about the Newcastle game because Bruno may well be out.

10:11And, you know, we're going to have to have a go against Newcastle. They're good on the break. They've got a good midfield. They could bully us. And that could be a symbolic. You get beat 2-0 or 3-0 and we're really in the shit. So I'm worried about that Newcastle game now. I really am. I think we lack IQ as well. I think in the second half, we lack IQ. I'm desperately struggling to see what it is Man United are. I'm stealing a line from Paul Scholes here because I think he said it a couple of weeks ago. what is Man United? What is it? What is it from anyone? Like from you, from Sir Jim Radcliffe, from Ruben Amrim, from Bruno Fernandes.

10:50What is it? What are we doing? Like, what are we trying to be? How are we trying to play? I don't know from top to bottom what Man United are meant to be doing anymore. Oh, we've got a new shirt coming out. Great. We've got a new shirt for this. We've got a new shirt for that. Buy this. Buy that. But I don't know what we are. I mean, are we trying to win titles? Are we trying to get in the top eight? Are we trying to get in the top six? Are we trying to get in the top four? Are we trying to be, you know, an entertaining team? Are we trying to be a team that just grinds out results? I mean, we're halfway through the season.

11:22And as a fan of Man United, do you know what we're trying to be? I don't know what we're trying to be. I don't know what your best 11 is. I don't know what we're trying to be. I just don't know. And, you know, this is why I use PRV, Performance Results Vision, because you have to have all three. You know, I think Liverpool's big problem at the moment is they're surviving on results, but I don't see much performance and I don't see much vision. But, I mean, I'm looking at that. I'm telling you now, please do have your say about Yoro, but please, please, please watch what Deleuze does with Tillemans.

12:00It's stunningly shit. It's unbelievable how Tillemans is going nowhere on his weakest foot and Deleuze lets him cross it. It is absolutely stunningly shit. And Jorre will get the headlines, absolutely. But that was, I can't, it's criminal, criminal that that cross goes in. But, you know, I'm just, this is not me losing my shit. Obviously, I've said a lot of things and I'm more than happy to expand on them. But I did say in the preview and I did say last night and I did say this morning, if we lose this game, we're 10 points off Aston Villa, who I don't think will finish in the top four. So if Villa finish fifth, are we going to close a 10 point gap?

12:45Is Champions League football gone already? And that's despicable. That is despicable that we are sat here with this fantastic support at Christmas wondering what our fucking football club is again. And that, you know what, forget Amrim, Ineos, the Glazers. It's two years on Christmas Eve since Ineos came in. Is anybody going to have the balls to say we're in a better position? And I'm talking about a Glazer-owned Manchester United. Is anybody going to dare to say this football club two years on is in a better position than it was two years ago. We factually were better off with the Glazers owning the club outright.

13:26And I can't stand the Glazers. I want them gone. But Glazers and Ineos are worse than the Glazers on their own. Factually, we've got an abysmal win ratio, no idea what we're going to be, no vision, no patterns of play. We're actually worse than we were two years ago. And I can't believe that. I thought there were so many open goals for Sir Jim Radcliffe to score and were actually worse than we were two years ago. I mean, look, I don't want to labour the point and I don't even have the information. So I can't tell you. I don't know what Amrim's overall win ratio is since he came in. I refuse stubbornly to use last season.

14:05I think it's pointless. He hadn't had a pre-season. He hadn't had transfers. But this season in the Premier League, his win ratio is 41 percent. That is shit. That is shit. Absolute shit. And, you know, we're halfway through the season. We're not four games in. I said, and many of you agreed, our first 10 games were difficult. Our first 10 games were difficult because we had to play Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal. In the last seven games, who have we played? Who have we played? Everton at home. West Ham at home. Bournemouth at home. Villa away. Wolves away. Spurs away. And Forest away. I mean, how many points have we actually got from game 10?

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15:58I mean, look, we drew with Forrest. We drew with Spurs. We lost to Everton. We drew West Ham. We drew Bournemouth. We've lost to Villa and we beat Wolves. So have we won one game in seven in the Premier League? MW says you're toxic. I don't care, mate. You can call me what you like. I couldn't give a fuck. I really don't care. If you think it's toxic to have standards at Manchester United, then call me toxic. Butter me up and call me toxic. I really don't care. I think you're a thick knobhead with no standards. So we can both throw games back at each other. I don't care if I'm toxic. Manchester United's toxic.

16:37Our record is shit. We are doing terrible. We are not getting enough points. I think we've won two wins in eight. Seven points in seven games. These are all stats that are coming in. Tox, two wins in eight. And look at some of the games we've been playing. And I'm toxic. And if you're not happy, you're toxic. Yeah, when Manchester United We're not Everton. We're Manchester United. We've got one of the biggest clubs in the world. And it's toxic to question the direction of the club, how bad we are, performances and results. Come on. Come on. It's a shit show. It's an absolute shit show. And, you know, you'll notice I haven't said the words Amri Mal.

17:28I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested in that. This is way bigger for me Amrum is the responsibility of the Glazers and Ineos I'm 100 % pointing the finger At the owners of this football club And saying You own it Own it Europe is probably gone already Champions League is gone already Europa League barely hoaxes anyway It's not enough You think you're getting Adam Wharton or Elliot Anderson Fuck off and also I wouldn't say top five definitely gone but for it to come back you'd have to have an amazing second half of the season does anybody in this chat watching live or not think in the second half of the season we're actually going to get better I think we'll have some good wins I mean look I'll predict now we'll probably beat Liverpool Old Trafford we might even beat Man City maybe we'll go to the Emirates and get a point but we'll still drop points to Brentford and Bournemouth and everybody else We're still going to be inconsistent because we ruin players.

18:33We ruin players. I mean, look at Kunja. He's still not the player from Wolves. Oh, Deleuze come out now. Fuck, I can't even look. I'm turning it off. I can't look at him. If you can't defend across, don't come out and talk to fucking Sky. Useless. Useless. Anyway, let me get some of your comments. Then we're going to do player ratings and we've got the fan forum as well. Tom says, in my opinion, I've seen good progress in the last few weeks in our game. I just don't understand the lack of defensive IQ. It's shocking. We can't carry on with this lack of defensive confidence, says Tom. The low waving his arms about must be the armband, says Daddy.

19:06We don't have a squad and this is a club problem, says War Machine. Look, I think all three of those things are relevant, right? Tom says he's seen good progress. Tom, in the last few games, let me get this right, we've lost to Villa, we've drawn to Bournemouth, We've beaten Wolves We've beaten Palace We've lost to Everton And we've drawn to West Ham It's too many points dropped mate And in all of those games Crystal Palace we were shit Wolves were the worst team I've ever seen I can't You know Even if I'm being positive about Wolves and Palace They were results There wasn't performance and there wasn't vision We've not built on it So I disagree with you Tom I don't see good progress because I don't see the vision and I don't see performance.

20:00I don't see, you know, Wolves was a good game, but they're shit. But have we replicated Wolves against Villa or Bournemouth or West Ham? No, I don't see any patterns of play. I don't see any consistency. I don't see anything from one game to another. I just think we're surviving on results. I think it's just results. That's all it is. And, you know, I don't mind losing games if we played the same way as we did the game we won last week, but we just didn't, we got a bit unlucky. But yeah, I can't explain to you enough how depressing it is when you know what Man United can be. You know, it's like going out for a meal with somebody who hasn't had a wash and they stink and they've not cut their hair and, you know, they look horrible and, you know, they're not brushed their teeth.

20:47But you know what they can be. And that's what I feel about Man United, a flawed icon. And when I see our right back going to the left wing to chuck a throw in into the box on pure hope and vibes, I just think, why can't our left back just do a short throw into somebody and we play a pattern of play and create a proper chance? It's almost a submission of a white flag. You know, when you're losing 2-1 and you need to get someone who can throw the ball far to chuck it into the box with 10 minutes to go, I almost think, well, we haven't got a plan. Or that is the plan. I don't know whether that comes across, but you know, that's my problem.

21:27It's like there's 10 minutes to go in the game. Arguably, we deserve a point. There's 10 minutes to go plus stoppage time and you're getting your right back to run across, dry the ball with a towel and throw it in. And I'm like, there's 10 minutes to go. It's not the last 30 seconds. Why is that the plan with 10 minutes to go to get the ball and throw it into the box and hope it deflects for a throw in or into the back of the net? Like, is that our plan? Is that what we're practicing at Carrington? Are we actually doing that? Is that actually what we, I think we do. I think we actually spend time at Carrington throwing long balls into the box.

22:04Manchester United, you know, I can't, I can't believe it. So I don't mind a long throw in when it's like 30 seconds left, chuck it in. It's not when your goalkeeper goes up for corners, but doing that with 10 minutes left when we've actually created some decent chances. why are we abandoning playing the way we're playing just to go like that it's it's desperate it's desperate um and i don't care whether fucking brentford do it we're manchester united you know i always wanted to see martinez in the midfield says manu since we took bruno off we never looked like winning mark maybe please think who you stick for manu um i completely disagree with you manu bran i'm very thankful that you've done the super chat because i wanted somebody to say this um couldn't you missed an absolute sitter when bruno wasn't on the pitch i thought we played as well in the second half as we did in the first half.

22:52I don't think we missed Bruno at all. I thought we would. I did. But I actually thought in the second half, we played exactly the same as the first half. I don't think we missed Bruno. In fact, I thought the midfield was better without him. I think he should be playing as a number 10. If you look at that midfield, you could play Martinez and Casemiro and play Bruno as a 10. So I feel, and I'm sure many of you agree with me, if you think the same, I felt justified today. Why the fuck are we playing Bruno in the midfield? He should be playing as a number 10. Um, Amrim sending a message that he needs a midfielder and a right winger, says Jem.

23:24More aggressive spin with some NU tomorrow, says VBA. Apparently she's already started. I think Ornstein said something at halftime. Five wins in 17 Premier League games this season. 29 % win record, says Mouad. No, no, no, no, no. You've got that wrong. We've got seven wins. Seven wins in 17 games is 41%. So, yeah, you're not right. Um, more aggressive. I've done that one. It feels like we're weeding the disruptors in the dressing room. If we do stick with Amrim, Glyn Leos will need to dig deep into their pockets to give him a disciplined structure team to work with, says Tom. Look, you know, you look at that team today.

24:00Yoro looks shot. Heaven and Dorgua kids. Agate looks shot. Casimir will be gone in the summer. Bruno may be gone in the summer. Mount is never going to be able to play two games in a week. Luke Shaw's coming towards the end of his career. Deleuze is never going to be good enough. Sesko's a prospect. it's not changing any time soon, is it? That's not a team that's going to start performing week in, week out now. And even if it did, it's got no longevity in it. It's hard. It's hard. Do you expect us to win every game with that squad, says Klinka? At Manchester United, I expect us to win games of football, yeah.

24:39I'm not making excuses for shit owners. With Manchester United, I expect us to go into every game and I expect us to win. With Manchester United. Why would I not expect that? I mean, in reality, we're not going to do that because the club's been flushed down the toilet by the glazes, but I will still uphold what Manchester United should be. And the day we don't do that, we may as well give up. I disagree. We played well with what we've got. We see the progress, the aggression. Give him two players, decide at the end of the season. Happy Christmas as Jorro. Happy Christmas, mate. The past month you've turned into Agenda FC.

25:10Please, if you're going to say that, Amano, tell me what the agenda is because you just sound like a whiny little bitch. If Amorim wants another season, he needs to change a little details from Bruno at centre midfield, get rid of long throws, use Kunja for runs, cross for Sesko. In the first half, we got the ball into Kunja really well. In the second half, Kunja turned into thinking he was lean or messy and holding onto the ball for too long. He started to panic. Notice how there was less long balls without Bruno. We had much better control of the ball in the midfield, Sharman. What would you change about the squad, says Nanit.

25:44mate there's no point in me talking about that i said it in the summer we should have bought two midfielders in the summer and we neglected it in the january transfer window we should buy two midfielders um we've got people who can score goals but we haven't got people who can control the midfield um i think champions league football might be gone now but if we bought two midfielders asap we can start building for next season christmas come early for the um toxic stands Kai, idiot We were the much better team Villa sat back at home all game And won the game from individual brilliance Yaro was too slow to close down Rogers, says Oli Are we celebrating that, Oli?

26:21Are we celebrating being the better team but losing? Are we celebrating a win against Bournemouth for the same? Are we celebrating losing to Everton for the same? I don't get the You don't get anything for being the better team you get three points for winning the game and clearly we weren't the better team because we didn't win the game. Bruno, injury will force these morons in Eos to buy midfielders in January. We don't need Semenyu. I will take Belaba at this point. Connor on loan, says Rajaf. Is it me or did Kunya get Bruno brain in the second half? He did seem to lose focus, Sifu, yes. I've lost faith in Amrim but can't blame him for today.

26:59Yoro cost us two goals and we don't take our chances. Sesko should score and so should Kunya, says Joe. Amrim's win percentage in the Premier League is 32 % says 95 trace but how can it be oh overall fucking hell not this season overall bloody hell this I mean that that is yeah that is that is a concern isn't it this has to be the most poor start for the first half of the season the performance has been bad midfielder needed in January says GD7 hammering in players need to finish in defence says Kyle no yeah but can I just say mate what's the style of play what's the vision what's the best 11 and why are we chucking long throw-ins into the box and who's telling them to do that if you're happy with all those things fair play no dilit masrawi and berno amad team look better without bruno so at least we looked okay missing half our players just my opinion says fc snipe steven silk uh sorry steven welcome to members club thank you very much i was hoping for a win but i knew we were going to lose this team is not good enough says michael How are we not closing down Rodgers?

28:02Both goals were easy to shut down. Jem says, that was from Tom. Jem says, in this game, the system is not the issue. Why Yoro's allowing Rodgers a free shot is Rodgers' mate. Is Amrim sending a message to the board? That's bollocks. Managers don't lose games to send messages to the board. They lose jobs doing that. How are we not closing down Rodgers? Both goals were easy to shut down. Did that from Tom. Our style of play is called Let's Wing It because we're absolutely shy, it says Niall. John says I think Amrim coached a win today 7 for me, did the best with what he had Dropping Mount slightly deeper to help the midfield Helped control, Martinez sub was probably The right choice, agree on the long throw Stuff says John, I think we're past Coaching wins when we lost I don't think we can use that as an excuse anymore I don't think we can, I don't think we can I've used it in the past so I can't criticise it But I don't think we can say Coach to win today and then lose Because it's an accumulation for me It's not a one off, I think if we'd won our last four games and lost that, I'd say one of those days we could have won it.

29:03You know, look at the last four, there's a lot to build on, but I think it's an accumulation effect. Look, I don't necessarily disagree. On a different day, maybe we could have won that, but at Anfield on a different day, we could have lost. We've lost to Everton, we've drawn to Bournemouth, we've drawn to West Ham, and now we've lost to Villa. Like it's happening too frequently. It's becoming a rhythm to not win games that maybe we should. Get rid of Amrin before we sign players under him, says L. Too many delusional people in the fan base backing a manager. Be honest and criticise both the managers and the players, says Jack.

29:36Yaro is a disgrace, says Dan. We are more likely to finish 15th than 5th, Mark, says Jim. I think we're going to finish somewhere between 6th and 10th. I think that's where we're heading. We're not going to go outside the top 10. We're not that bad. We're better than last season. But I can't see top five anymore. I think we've blown it too many times that psychologically it's probably too late. I love the guy, but I'm sorry it's not working out, says Yusuf. Shut up, Mark. You're not better than the Arteta out. Brigade, his armchair. You're not listening, mate. Three points behind fourth. One loss in nine.

30:06Stop crying for views, says Vivek. One loss in nine. It's definitely two in less than that, mate, because we lost to Everton. So, you know, before you start coming in talking shit, get your facts right. He always says, I just want to win, but you're not, says Yusuf. We are the easiest team to play against. Fuller of harder training sessions. what is Amrim doing to our proud club? No vision, destroying young talent, says Marlow. Fun fact, last we won at home was two months ago, says Abdullah. I honestly think Amrim coached a win here. We were the better team, but once again let down by poor defenders, says Dante.

30:39Amrim should be go back to a midfield three, playing two midfield is very stressful on players. Three, four, three have proven to be a career-ending formation, says Palimo. Bruno's muscles already... Bruno's a different conversation, but it's worrying that Bruno has picked up an injury like that because he never gets injured. Is Bruno doing too much running for his age? I mean, as soon as the hamstring happened, I thought, I hope it's not too bad. But the fact that he's had to come off, it's just not Bruno. Like Bruno normally gets a knock on the ankle and plays the next game. A muscle injury, I do start to think, not only do I want him to play as a 10 because he's not a midfielder, but are we actually overloading a player that doesn't play that position and now he's picking up injuries that he never has.

31:27And if that's the case, who's at fault for that? You know? Sorry, but Amrim is wasting everybody's time. We need to start talking about who could replace him, says the Fergie way. Mourinho also had seven wins in 17 games when he got sacked, says Shaheen. One system fraud, says Tommy. Amrim out, getting no results, just getting worse, says James. Wasteful at the front, inexperienced at the back. Between injuries in the AFCON, we need a better squad come the end of January, says Lupus. We learned Fletcher is much better than Agate and Sesco is the same as Rasmus, is Iraqi. Emery literally just beats us with Olly Ball, says Tyron.

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32:32I think we should have won the game. But the fact that we didn't win the game is on us. Blame Maynou. The injury is smoke and mirrors, says Alan. What's the earliest Ahmed and Mbemo can come back? When will these owners get the players we need? Martinez was brilliant in the midfield, says Mac. Right, I'm going to do player ratings because I know they're waiting on the fan forum and they'll have a lot to say. And I've sort of exhausted myself from the first few minutes of the show. Look, a lot of people saying Amrim stuff. I haven't actually said Amrim out. So I don't know why that's being laid at my door.

33:04I've consistently said, I'm not sure he's the right guy for Man United, but he's got to get the season. I haven't said Amrim out in this show. I'm not happy with him. I don't know what the vision is. I don't know what the performance is. And I don't like him telling players to throw the ball into the box when there's 10 minutes to go and we could be doing something more progressive he's under pressure that's down to him his win ratio in the premier league is 41 that's shit but i don't see the point in changing the manager halfway through the season so but what i will say is he's probably not going to be under massive pressure from the club for losing to villa but the newcastle game on boxing day if we were to get you know rinsed like if newcastle came and played like they did against Chelsea yesterday and wiped their arse with us I think that's the sort of result that really does start to cause him massive problems so they've got to dust themselves down they've got to beat Newcastle they've got to beat Wolves and they've got to try and beat Leeds and Burnley and win their next four games and try and just you know get themselves back in amongst it because you know it's been a bad December for Manchester United apart from Wolves I thought Palace We were just lucky That they played on Thursday night And it was two set pieces Everton deserved to beat us With ten men West Ham deserved a point And so did Bournemouth So he's got to Try and find results He's got to go and survive again Hasn't he?

34:31He's got to get results It doesn't need to be pretty Against Newcastle But he's got to try and get results

34:39Ehart says What do we need to improve? People who try fix or crybabies We need new owners mate you can talk to me about January transfer windows you can talk to me about selling players we need new owners like if you want to improve this football club we need new owners they haven't got a fucking clue um it starts at the top Cole says I think some people don't realize that you can see progress but still not think it's good enough if we don't criticize the club then we're accepting where we are if we as fans don't hold up the standards then no one will look Omar Barada Jason Wilcox on evidence of the last couple of years haven't got a fucking clue what Man United's all about it's not just Ruben Amrim Sir Jim Radcliffe's meant to be a lifelong fan he's made us worse than the worst thing that's ever happened to the football club in the Premier League and that's the Glazers these are people that are meant to be making change in two years we're factually getting worse why are people not waking up to that?

35:32Ineos came in two years ago we're worse than before they came in that's the conversation Amrim is just a byproduct of it You can talk about his win ratio We have You can talk about the lack of vision We have You can talk about the long throw-ins We have But who appointed Amrim? This is all on Ineos They came in With this profound message That they were going to make us better They've made us worse Their appointments of the CEO The director of football And everybody else They don't seem to understand What Manchester United is If Slott needed to get the sack Why not Amrim? Says Raj Jeff says look at the stats, Mark.

36:08You always preach performance. Mate, I've got eyes. I don't need to look at stats. We lost the game 2-1 and we probably could have got a draw out of it, but ultimately we didn't score two goals and they did. Did they cheat for their goals? No. Did we cheat for our goals? No. We lost 2-1. I don't care about the stats. It doesn't matter. We could have won that game. We could have lost that game. We could have drawn that game. reminded me of Anfield a lot reminded me a lot of Anfield Liverpool could have won that game we won it it's you know this is what happens when you play this brand of football that really is a little bit like basketball you just don't know what's going to happen I don't think Linios care about standards I think look Tim thank you very much I think they're in survival mode Merry Christmas what does the club need to do get new owners Carson look let me just be very very clear I'm entitled to my opinion some people agree with me some people don't if you're sat there tonight, seventh in the league with a 41 win percentage in the Premier League, and you think that's good and you can justify that in your head, Merry fucking Christmas.

37:15Enjoy it. You know, enjoy it. I personally, when he sat there going, what is happening to this football club? I don't really know what we are. I don't know what the style of play is. I don't know what the vision is. I don't know what we're trying to be. I don't know what 11 is trying to build. I don't know whether we're going to buy people in January. I don't know what we are. And I think there's a very high chance that Champions League football is gone at Christmas. If you don't, well done. Welcome to the world where you can have a different opinion. But I do not subscribe to the view of opinion that we should be positive or grateful or happy that we've taken one point, two points in nine from our last three home games against Everton, Wastham and Bournemouth.

37:55And in our last two games, we've taken one point. And people want to talk about performance. Oh, apparently it was a classic on Monday night. And apparently we deserve to win tonight. We've taken one point from six. That's the fact. That's the fact. Player ratings, let's go. Oh, this won't take long. So, I think Lemans, if it's De Gea, I think he saves the second shot. But he's not De Gea. He's a young goalkeeper. He can't do anything about the first one. He made a good save in the first half. I give him a six. Lenny Yoroh 5 it's got to be low because he's at fault for both goals I completely agree I'm very reluctant with young players to throw them under the bus but it seems to me since Amorim threw him under the bus with Bruno after the Manchester derby he started the season well and he seems to be getting worse he seems to have low confidence and that's a very worrying thing and it fits in perfectly with what we talk about a lot on the 8 o 'clock shows why are Man United so obsessed with buying young players when we burn them?

39:01when was the last young player we developed? Leni Jorow was a really exciting signing and he is a generational talent. But if you can't nurture him, he won't be a good player. He should have gone to Real Madrid because we can't develop young players. So we get really excited about the next Caicedo or the next Rio or the next bloody Kimmich. We can't develop these players. So what's the point? Why are Ineos buying all these young players that are going to be the next this, the next that? And we can't develop them. And is this not a case in point? Having said that, I thought Heaven was a 6.5. I thought he actually played well.

39:38I thought in the first half he was exceptional. And technically, would he not be a man of the match contender? I don't know. Luke Shaw was steady. I'd give him a six. Deleuze, honestly, I'd give him a five. I think that if you watch the Tillemans cross, he's not 20 or 19 or 17 or 18. he's an experienced player who lazily tracks Tillemans and then lets him put a cross in and I think that is bad from him I also think he's meant to be a right back so are you not meant to be good defensively I thought he did some good bits going forward but you're actually meant to be a right back mate you're meant to be able to defend and you know he didn't help us at all both their goals came from that side I think on the first goal he's way too far forward but look Yaro's more at fault let's be clear Agate it's the exit door isn't it I mean I sort of hoped he was going to have a man-of-the-match performance and prove Amrim wrong but rustier than a bike that's been left out all winter picked up the obligatory yellow card didn't have a good game 4.5 uh Bruno look six yeah I mean he went off at half time based on the first half performance I thought he was doing okay so but look he should be playing as a number 10 every week he should be playing as number 10.

40:58Dorgou 6.5 um I think people are really harsh on him the goal we scored was because of him and he put it on a plate for Kunya he should have got two assists in that game um I thought I thought Dorgou had one of his better games I'd give him a 6.5. Mason Mount um I'm glad we got him on the pitch for so long every substitution I thought he was going to come off so I'd give him a six um I thought Mason Mount played decent he drifts in and out of games but I I thought he did um he did okay Kunya look first half I'd probably give him a 7.5 second half I'd probably give him a six or give him a 6.5 um he was just trying to do too much in the second half and it's a shame but I thought in the first half what a ball into Sesco good goal real threat um I'd probably give him my man of the match um to be honest with you uh even though the second half was a bit drifty actually maybe sesco 5.5 um rusty needs needs more games lacking confidence it's a running theme isn't it with every player that's a prospect in our team we're pretty much saying the same thing lacking confidence rusty i mean why do we think we're a club that can develop players and we should be we're manchester united but we're not very good at it uh martinez i thought was a steady 6.5.

42:19I thought he just came on calm, composed, did his job, ran the game, gave us a glimpse of what we could be if we had two decent midfielders. Fletcher, look, I'd give both of these a six. Being chucked into that type of game, Fletcher and Lacey, I thought, you know, they're free from criticism. They're both coming on in difficult circumstances. They're not coming on against Wolves at home when we're 6-0 up. They're coming on against Biller when we're chasing the game, and I thought they did both okay. Same with Xerxe, I'd probably give him a six.

42:55Amorim, look, I'm going to give Amorim a six, right? And I'm going to explain why. I'm going to give Amorim a six because I didn't see anything today that I haven't seen all season. You know, the long throw-ins weren't a shock. The goals we conceded weren't a shock. You know, I didn't see anything today from Amorim that I would say, oh, I'm shocked, that's terrible. and yeah we could have got a draw we lost so I don't think it was terrible it's more about the accumulation for me I'm not sitting here saying get Amorim out fucking rubbish this that and the other what I'm saying is it's game week 17 we've only we've only got a 41 % win ratio in the Premier League this season this is an accumulation you know we've been knocking how many weeks have we been saying, this week we can go third.

43:44Beat Everton and we go third. We've missed the boat now. The league is starting to become what it's going to be. They're starting to be a top three. They're starting to be a top six. And we've missed the boat. Today is just an accumulation of shit results. So if this was just one game, I think you could go, oh, I saw some positives. but it's, this is, this, this to me is Brentford, it's Spurs, it's, you know, what I'd say about today is some people think we could have got a draw. I'd go back to Spurs away and say, we scored a last minute equaliser to get a draw. We were seconds away from losing.

44:24So let's not start pretending that, wow, it could have been a draw. Well, it could have been a loss to Spurs, you know, this is an accumulation of stuff for me now. Man of the match Oh God I think Martinez could have won it I think Kunja could have won it But I'm actually just going to give it to heaven I think Try and build up Youth etc Kunja 58 % I can't disagree with that I can't disagree with that Well done to Kunja Big player for us Please do subscribe to the channel And smash a like on the video We have got a fan forum I'd be very interested to see what they're going to say on there, because I think there are some interesting opinions coming in from the chat, as always.

45:10Thank you very much for that. We've literally got a City twat as CEO, says Poke. Sesko is wasteful, says Sapreet. Will Martinez's performance make Amram hesitate to buy a midfielder? I don't think he can, Chris, because what if Martinez gets injured? You've got to buy a midfielder now. you've got to buy a midfielder now um i i don't mind us signing some n you as well but we've got to buy a midfielder i mean that bruno fernandez injury we're not going to know about for a while let me just say about bruno right the bruno injury if that is a bad hamstring two months if it's a tweak maybe back to Newcastle could be New Year.

45:54So yeah, we've got to be careful about that. Jerry said it's soft tissue issue and it's going to be a while according to Amrim. I think the big takeaway is exactly what somebody said and what I was talking about in the watch along. Bruno Fernandes doesn't get these types of injuries. He doesn't get these types of injuries. We've decided to put a 31-year-old in centre midfield when he's never played there. And he's now running backwards and forwards for 90 minutes. I mean, his body's putting more demand on it and he's picked up a muscle strain. Never should have put him in the midfield. Never should have put him in the midfield.

46:35Okay, let's get over to the fan forum. Thanks everybody for watching. Absolute legends. Take care. Stay safe. I'm back with you at 10 o 'clock tomorrow, but get over to the fan forum and get your thoughts in. I'll speak to John in a bit. Tough one to take today. um tough one to take um but you know i'm just struggling with what we're actually doing as a football club it's for me it's not even about players or the manager it's about what we're doing you know what are we actually doing what are wilcox doing what is amrim doing what what is mbrada doing what is the gym doing i just don't know what the vision is and it's hard it's really hard take care

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