303: United Board FAILS Again!

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1:10We'll be talking about the managerial approach that is causing mayhem on the United hierarchy. Also more around Ndidi. Another report this morning coming out that we're in talks with him. Manchester United also looking at more midfielders but potentially in the next few days as well as the summer. We've got some incredible stuff coming in around Man United's amazing way to make more money. Is it future? You know, they're talking about one of these big, massive screens. You know, the one in LA where you can buy a season ticket to watch games at Old Trafford when we're not playing at Old Trafford.

1:46So you'd sit in like the Stratford end with a big screen in front of you for away games. You'd probably pay like£20 for a bottle of water. You know, Brian Robson probably sings Agadou. stuff like that, just more money going into the club. But as my granddad always said to me, give a man£10 and he'll make you a millionaire. Give a man£1 million and he'll make you bankrupt. It's not about the money. It's about what you do with it. And we have got clowns running the show. I think that's the problem at Manchester United. And we'll start off with that this morning because what we're hearing this morning is from multiple sources.

2:22You've got Mirra talking about De Zerbe and Tuchel. There's another source saying that Favell is pushing for Nogelsman. There's even talking Michael Carrick getting the job. And I think that with regards to, look, let's just say this. I think that the big problem we have at Man United is not ex-players. I mean, I'll talk about that later, the spin that's going out that even Talksport are playing the game now. But look, we'll talk about more important stuff. Let's stick to the manager for a moment. So multiple sources this morning talking, multiple outlets talking about Man United's preference.

2:55And De Zerbi does keep getting mentioned. And I've got to say, I'm looking forward to the Marseille-Liverpool watch along tonight. It's a long time since I've watched the De Zerbi team play. And, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of interest in Mason Greenwood as well. But I think that I'm looking forward to watching them play because De Zerbi is a name that's featured very, very highly for Manchester United. Favell wants Nagellsmann. There's no secret about that. I mean, I spoke to somebody about six months ago. Our source said it a couple of weeks ago. Favell will push for Nagelsmann. He loves Nagelsmann.

3:24He's got a great relationship with him. It's an intelligent move, actually. I mean, actually, let me just say this. I don't think anybody on Man United's board comes out of the situation at the moment smelling of roses. Favell pushes for young players at the wrong club, in my opinion. I don't think that our strategy around signing players is very good. Wilcox has just had a nightmare. You know, he's been here from the start. We've sacked Ashworth. We've sacked Ten Hag. We've sacked Amrim. All decisions he was involved in. Barada, I think he just smiles or looks miserable. And as DJ United said, there's too many opinions.

4:03You've absolutely nailed it, mate. You should be presenting the show. You're absolutely spot on. There are too many opinions in the club. And whilst I don't agree with Favell's strategy, that's what he is if you bring Favelle into Man United he's gonna go out and try and buy the next Caicedo you know he's gonna want to get Sesco you can't criticize a guy who you know it's like it's like it's like recruiting the script you know it's like recruiting Gary Barlow uh no he's actually he's a bad example it's like it's like recruiting Ian Beal from EastEnders and expecting him to compete with Leonardo DiCaprio for an Oscar he's a soap actor he's not a proper actor So I've just upset thousands of soap actors now, but it's true.

4:46And if you recruit Favell and he buys people under 23, you can't moan at him for not buying Oli Watkins because that's not what he's there to do. And I think there's such a mishmash in United's board at the moment that we're going to get the manager. Look, we're definitely going to get the manager recruitment wrong. I was speaking to a journalist about this a couple of days ago. You can probably guess who. And we were talking about the managers. and there's just such, and this is well-sourced information from the club, there is so many different opinions on so many different things. Like Favell will want a Sesko, Wilcox will come up with his own idea, Barada's got his own idea, and then you've got Sir Jim Radcliffe who's got his own idea.

5:27And the manager recruitment's going to be a bloody mess. So you're going to have Favell going, I want the Gelsman, right? Somebody in the club wants the Zerbe, let's pretend it's Barada. Will Cox probably wants the job himself, but if it's not him, he probably likes Carrick. And then Sir Jim Radcliffe probably wants Tuchel. So you've got four people there. Now, some people think this is great. Some people think, well, this is great. You've got four different opinions in the boardroom. You argue it out. But that's not life. That's not life. You know, we had it at Christmas, Christmas Eve. Me, the kids, the wife, right?

6:03I want to watch Home Alone at six o 'clock. Two of them want to watch Elf. And somebody else says, let's put Love Actually on early. And I'm like, you've got to negotiate. You've got to come to a conclusion of what you're going to watch, right? Needless to say, we didn't watch Home Alone. But the point is, I wasn't happy. You know, you get one shot at Christmas Eve once a year. I wanted to watch Home Alone at six o 'clock with a bowl of quality street, a few nuts and a lovely can of lager, right? I didn't get to do it. Elf was a good watch. But that's democracy. That's a decision. And I think this is what's happening at United.

6:41You might all agree on De Zerbe, but initially the girlsman is what Vivelle wants. Tuchel is what somebody else wants. And, you know, maybe Carrick is what somebody else wants. So this is the misdirection of the football club that really is a problem. There are, you can argue about the competence of the board. I don't think the board's very competent at all. But within the board, it would almost be better if you had four incompetent people who all agreed than having four incompetent people with different opinions because that compounds the incompetence. So I don't know where we're going to end up on this and I don't know who's going to make the final decision.

7:19But I don't think we're going to get the manager that we should be getting anyway. and what I would say about De Zerbi is because there's a lot of talk about De Zerbi this morning and it might be because Liverpool are playing Marseille but there's a lot of talk about De Zerbi honestly what's your thoughts on De Zerbi being Man United's manager I think this he will never win as a Premier League he will never win as a Champions League now does that not confirm that doesn't make it a bad appointment but is that not where Man United are now? Like I did the video when Amrim got sacked. I don't see a way back for Manchester United.

7:59So if we appoint De Zerbe, we won't win the Premier League. You'll have to sack him to get a manager that can. So is he the guy before the guy or is he the guy before the guy before the guy or is he the guy who takes us further down or is he the guy that just gets his fifth place until we build the stadium? But De Zerbe won't win Man United Premier League. I just know he won't. I know he's not a Premier League winner. He's not going to win a Premier League. Even if he goes to bloody Arsenal, he's not going to win a Premier League. He's just not that guy, in my opinion. I think he's a good coach, but I don't think he's the guy that rebuilds Man United.

8:27I just don't get that vibe at all. I'd love to be wrong. I'm not the Oracle, but I don't see it. I think De Zerbi, you know, like Mareska, you know, he might do OK, but he won't be the guy that wins the league. So why are we recruiting somebody like that? And again, I just feel like that's United sort of like, you know, I don't think that, I don't think it goes back to, I don't know whether it was Paul Scholes said it or whoever, somebody said it quite recently, the people in the club don't understand what Man United is all about and that to me would be the big, big, big problem.

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9:49View our entire selection of concrete mixes and supplies in store and on menards.com. Plus, check out the weekly flyer for more great deals happening now. Save big money at Menards. We'll come back to that, though, because there is a bit of news about Andidi this morning. But just before I do that, just on Favell, I don't have a problem with Favell, right? I have a massive problem with Wilcox I have a massive problem with Barada I have a massive problem with Sir Jim Radcliffe I think they're bloody useless I've always look I consume football you consume football you know things about football I know the name Favell I remember when he went to Chelsea I know about the RB group that's why I was excited about Ranić he is a very very interesting individual in relation to his repertoire or CV of recruiting good young talent and it was an exciting appointment for Manchester United.

10:43But if you get your strategy wrong, for you, it doesn't matter. You know, I remember a relative of mine saying, and he used to use this for women, so you shouldn't get offended by it because it was probably the 90s. So when he was talking about women, he used to like class them as cars, not in relation to what was a good ride, but more about like he'd say, look, you can go for a Ferrari of a woman and on special occasions, everyone's going to go, wow, that's amazing. But very, very expensive to run, very, very unreliable, only really good in certain conditions. And actually below the bonnet, there's not much there.

11:24Looks basically. And then you go, or you can go for a Volvo where very few people are going to criticize a Volvo for how it looks. Massively economical, very, very safe, very very reliable a good pick or if you want something you could go for something like a four before which is very good in difficult conditions a little bit of expensive and if you like that sort of thing big and bulky but not everyone likes that so recruiting players can be a little bit like that as well, because it depends what you want. And also what he said was that don't always go for the new car. You could buy a brand new Volvo that's reliable and all those things, and it could have a defect from the factory.

12:16When sometimes you're better off buying a five-year-old Volvo that's roadworthy and you know it's history. And it's the same with signing players, isn't it, for Man United?

12:27But look, that was the 90s. He's no longer with us anymore, got locked over by a Range Rover. But the point is, I still think it's relevant for our recruitment. Like Favell is a very particular carb purchaser, isn't he? You know, he wants fresh off the factory line, you know, not reliable. You know, you've got to work at it. And this is where I think Man United are going wrong on recruitment of players and on recruitment of manager. I think some fans want the 4x4. Some people want the Ferrari. I just want the bloody Volvo. I do just want the Volvo. I want the player that's 28, that's got a few miles on the clock and has still got plenty more left on the clock, that's reliable, economical, safe and consistent, you know.

13:15and not bad to look at. You know, that's the player I think. I think Man United should be buying Volvos, not Ferraris and not Range Rovers and certainly not old bangers and certainly not concept electric cars. I think we should be going for Volvos. That's what we should be buying. I think we should be buying players. I mean, look, I was looking at Arsenal's recruitment, right? I was looking at Man City's recruitment. I was looking at Liverpool's recruitment over the last five years. And I was looking at, we're basically Chelsea, you know? the real one says go for the Lamborghini for the win I mean I think United do not need Lamborghinis Lamborghini would be someone like um Alexi Sanchez who just is not going to do it week in week out and can't be arsed but on certain days we'll do it we don't need Lamborghinis I mean Man United as a team what would you say Man United are as a team as a car because we're definitely not a Volvo we're definitely not an Audi we're nothing German we're not efficient and we're not well running we're not consistent um we would be a car that on its day as a formula one car we'd be the bloody ferrari wouldn't we we would be the ferrari because we're we're a car that on its day can win a race but across a season you know we'll finish last every now and again um but anyway look going back to what i was saying i do think just before we move on to a little bit of news um this is where the board are going wrong there are too many cooks spoiling the broth there are too many people involved um you know i was nearly said it's like a it's like a threesome when you don't want the other person involved you know you just want to get on with it and the point is that's what united are doing we're going to make the same mistake with the manager as we're going to make with players we're obsessed with chelsea's model of buying players under a certain age to promote you know to sell them later or develop them later and it might you know dorgoo hopefully is going to work out sesco hopefully going to work out yoro's going to work out but It's a slow process.

15:06You look at Dorgou. I've always liked Dorgou. But if we... This is a great point, right? You look at Dorgou. Finally, he's getting his flowers. Finally, people are changing their mind on him. Finally, people are being patient. But I've been patient with Dorgou. I think he's a good player. And that's what you should do with young players. But imagine if we'd bought like Grimaldo from Germany, from the Bundesliga. He's at Leverkusen, I think. 29, comes straight into the team. for the last year, performs really well. Well, he's already done better than Dorgue, hasn't he? And this is what I mean. Dorgue's a good signing, but it's already been over a year.

15:45It could be two, three years before he's consistent. We need reliability now. But United are going for youth all the time. It's wrong. And also, when you look at Belaiba, he's still a very young player. Very young. He's had a very inconsistent season. Is he going to be the finished article for Man United? I'd know he's going to be another Dorgue. He's going to be another Sesko where we go, we've bought a really good talent here, but we've got to be patient with him. He's not going to hit the ground running, is he? Whereas I think that there are midfielders out there that would because United are obsessed with this up and coming thing.

16:19And it almost feels the same with the manager, like De Zerbe's got amazing potential. You know, De Zerbe's got amazing potential. Well, we need a manager for now. Everything's potential, isn't it? Wilcox, an inexperienced director of football. Berada, an inexperienced CEO. Most of our signings, inexperienced talent. The next manager, inexperienced manager. There's nobody in that football club who, one, gets Man United, but two, is ready to go. And I think that's a huge, huge issue that we don't seem to want to resolve. But going back to what I was saying, I haven't analysed this, and I'm sure there will be little niches.

16:54I mean, Eketika at Liverpool is relatively young. Arsenal probably have bought players that are young. But if you look at Arteta's recruitment over the last five years, the vast majority of it is players with experience coming into the team. Like Declan Rice had won trophies at West Ham. He was still a little bit young, but massive amounts of experience and consistency at West Ham. Havertz had been from the Bundesliga to Chelsea to Arsenal. Like Jochores is, what, 26? Gabriel, you know, Saliba was a bit... They have brought some young players in, but there's a lot of players age between, I would probably say, 23 and 26 with a certain amount of experience.

17:38It's the same with Manchester City. Most of Manchester City signings are, you know, have experience. Eze is not a prospect, is he? Exactly, Savage. Maduweke is not a prospect. You know, they've got a lot of experience. You can be experienced at 21. What? You can be. You know, you might have been playing since you were 17 in the midfield for West Ham or something like that. Who's the other one? Liverpool. Liverpool, predominantly, yeah, there are some younger players in there, but I don't know the age profile of Frimpong, Wurtz. But they played a lot of games. They've won a title in the Bundesliga.

18:13They've played Champions League football. Eketike is a bit young, I admit that. Izak, experienced. I know it's not worked out yet, but, you know, but United followed the Chelsea model and it's wrong. It's wrong. And but but but look, more importantly, we need to buy more Volvos.

18:59download the moto casino app today we should get a t-shirt we need to buy more volvos we do we need more more experience we need more you know reliability uh consistency we need to be buying players over 26 and we need to bring an experience manager in i just think it's so obvious but it's completely opposite to what we're trying to do and that goes back to this story about how let me just get you this because you'll love this. So I think it came in from the mail. But let me know your thoughts. You might completely disagree, but I think it came in from the mail. I just wanted to read this. I actually saw the Red Army, TRA, posted it.

19:37So Manchester United are considering an IMAX style digital season ticket that allows fans to stream matches from a specific section of Old Trafford. So basically it would be a digital season ticket where you go to Old Trafford for the Arsenal game and there's a big massive screen and there's a big crowd of people watching it and you can get drink and everything like that. So they're thinking about doing that apparently. The Red Army have said, predicted this a year ago, that United will start to sell virtual season tickets for this. Eventually they'll vastly outnumber actual season ticket holders and match goers we will be a minority group and treated accordingly by the club what a time to be alive well look maybe that's a little bit you know too soon to be saying that but you know the way i look at it is i actually saw some people going why are people moaning about this you know this is the problem with the legacy fans they're just too stuck in the past i mean well you know what what's wrong with heritage i spent half an hour staring at a christmas tree on christmas eve at one o 'clock in the morning thinking about the old days you know there's nothing wrong with nostalgia and there's nothing wrong with legacy.

20:43But my point is, these people who were for it were saying, well, if we do this and we make another few million a year, that's good for the club. I go back to what I said at the start. Give one man£10, give another man£1 million, the guy with the tenner might make you a millionaire and the guy with a million pounds might bankrupt you. As we've learned at Man United, spending money isn't the problem, it's how we spend it. That ownership with more money doesn't fill me with any confidence. Probably fills their pockets, makes their share price go up. Maybe they get a bit of dividends, but United making money isn't the problem.

21:22Look at that shirt behind me. I'm sure it was a record seller. We just finished 15th in the league and we've just sacked our manager. That's how good that shirt is. It's a nice shirt, but the people in it, load of shit. So the club making money doesn't make us any better if the decisions are wrong. So you could give Man United another£100 million a year. Somebody could gift them a hundred. The Premier League could say, we know it's going to be controversial, but we're going to give Man United another£100 million a year. No one else is getting it. And everyone could be in uproar. I'd sit here and go, someone's going to go, we're going to be dead successful now because we're getting another£100 million a year.

22:00But we're not. That£100 million will get wasted on debt repayment, dividends, shit players, recruiting kids, you know, sacking a manager, bringing in another, you know, another puppet. It doesn't matter how much money we've got, is what I'm saying. But we still have fans out there that get really excited about, you know, oh, this could be a great money spinner. I'm all for it. I'm all for it, Gromit. More cheese, Gromit. You know, it's like we're going to build a stadium and there's going to be a cinema there. More money, more cheese, Gromit. And it's like the money is not the problem at Man United.

22:36it's not the money, it's how we spend it. It's the people, as we've just spent the last 20 minutes talking about, wrong again. Wrong again, because they've got the wrong people making the wrong decisions. Yeah? So regardless of whether they're going to do this, I'm sure if you buy one of those season tickets, and let's be honest, everyone in this chat is going to go, well, I'm not going to put money in the Glazers pocket. And some of you will. That's up to you. So they do these digital season tickets in the Stretford end for away games. We break records and we put it out there. We've got an away game at the Emirates and we've got 20 ,000 fans turning up at Old Trafford to watch it on a massive screen.

23:20They're all paying 30 quid each to do it. And on top of that, we're charging 20 pounds for a bottle of water, 10 pounds to wipe your ass. and you get 50 quid, of which we'll give a fiver to Brian Robson for a ticket, for a photo, right? They're coining the money in, right? And somebody goes, this is great. We're making so much money. But then you give some of that money to Wilcox or Barada or Favell and they've gone by the wrong people and we don't get any better. So money's not the problem. It's what we do with the money. And we've got the wrong people making the wrong decisions. So, yeah. I'm not really that bothered about the digital season ticket or watching it like that if people want to do that that's up to them but you're still going to watch a team that's not going to win the Premier League and and I tell you what if we were winning the Premier League you get a lot more people willing to pay a lot more money but we are a business and that's all Manchester United is a business with the wrong people making the wrong decisions because every decision is about business Do you reckon we could beat Arsenal with the same squad plus Masraoui, says Amit?

24:28I'm not going to talk about that, mate. It's a new show and you have a tendency to take us off piste. We will predict Arsenal tomorrow. I think the worst thing is that they want potential, but they don't understand what it takes to turn that potential into success and nurture it through, says Nick P. Look at Arsenal, right? Arsenal have got a fantastically young, talented player in the name of Waniere. He's had a little bit of first-team football. Arteta's realised he can't develop him, so he's sending him off to Marseille. Arsenal are top of the league. They're top of the Champions League. Manchester United, 15th last year, just sacked their manager.

25:03Bit unknown what's going to happen to us now. Oh, pick the kids. Buy the next Caicedo. Not even the best teams in the league nurture players like that. But we think we can. The model is flawed. This just, my big fear about United, and I constantly hear this, is that they have this cult, with an L, ideology that they are convinced they are right about, but consistently get proved wrong about. Like, when Sir Jim decided not to sack Ten Hag and give him£300 million, he thought he was right. He was wrong. When he said Dan Ashworth was a 10 out of 10 director for football and recruited him and spent a lot of money on him and then sacked him, he was wrong.

25:50Somewhere along the line, he was wrong. Whether he was wrong to sack him, wrong to recruit him, he was wrong. Amorim, they were wrong. They've been wrong on so many things and they've not figured out that their ideology is wrong. I think they think that following the Chelsea model is going to make them successful. The great thing is the Chelsea model has won fuck all. Fuck all. Since Chelsea changed their model under Todd Bowley, what have they won? Did they win the Champions League under Todd Bowley? I don't think they did, but they've not won a Premier League. So we're following a model that a lot of Chelsea fans don't like.

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27:11And Arsenal are probably following the Man City model, who have copied us. Like every, every, um, Manchester City looked at Manchester United under the Sir Alex Ferguson era and evolved it. Jurgen Klopp looked at it and evolved it. Arsenal have probably evolved it from the Man City model, if we're being honest, and a little bit of Liverpool. So everything's an evolution of something. And we were one of the things that people used to copy. We're not copying our own. We're copying Chelsea. And it doesn't even work. Look, I know Chelsea won the Club World Cup and they won the Europa Conference. But when I say fuck all, I mean Premier Leagues.

27:49I mean Champions Leagues. They are the... That's what Arsenal want. That's what Man City want. That's what Liverpool want. That's the standard we have. That's where Chelsea want to go. So Chelsea won multiple Premier Leagues and Champions League under Roman Abramovich. The Chelsea model under Roman Abramovich is not the model of Todd Bowley. And if you ask every Chelsea fan, regardless of the reasons why Roman's not in charge anymore, the Chelsea model that worked was the previous model. This model of Chelsea hasn't worked. And we're copying that one. Why are we copying it? I don't know. but we're obsessed with buying people under 26 and we're obsessed with a puppet manager with a board that's clueless.

28:35And that's wrong, in my opinion. It's wrong. Kiel says, Before considering a manager, we have to decide how we want to play and commit. No fault of Amrin, but we wasted a year on a strategy they were not, says Kiel. Look, I am... More cheese grommet! I can't do it now, Maz Raui. He says your voice is exactly like Wallace. But going back to that point by Kiel, have you noticed i'll come i'll come back to it in more detail because i want to talk about and diddy but have you noticed over the last few days we've had two stories from the mainstream media that fans on social media have have completely shut down you can't trust you can't trust the spin so one of them was that michael carrick was at an under 21 game last night and um i think Simon Stone on the BBC said, Michael Carrick watching the under 21s, something Amrim never did.

29:28And then a fan on Twitter said, well, here's a picture of him going there. He did it multiple times. And then there's another one where, what's that? I get mixed up with Rotunda, Rabana. What's that training technique? We never had a name for it when I used to do it when I was under 16s, where it's the passing training thing, you know, where somebody's in the middle. What's it called? Someone in the chat. Come on. Rondo. Rondo. That's it. Well done, Dan. So I think United even put it out there, the Rondo's back. Or somebody put it out there a few days ago that United have brought the Rondo back, right?

30:07There's literally posts of Amrim doing it in the US tour. And this is what I mean. You've got to think. You've got to think. And I think, look, people criticise communities like this, but we fall out, right? Rashford wasn't out drinking. He was, Mark. You need to shut the channel down. You need to shut your mouth. I was wrong. Maynew's t-shirt. There's no way he knew about it. You know, I've been wrong multiple times and we fall out. Yeah. That's the way it should be because we ask questions. People come in with more knowledge. Mostly me. But the point, I'm joking, but the point is we challenge.

30:42We don't spin. We don't speculate. We challenge. And that's why a live community is really important. A scripted community can put stuff out and sometimes people believe it. And loads of people retweeted that. The Rondo was back. The Rondo's back. And then some bright spark went, well, hold on a minute. Carrick's not bought the Rondo back. We were doing it under Amrim. But it's spin. So why has somebody put it out there that the Rondo's back with Carrick? Well, it's to undermine the previous regime. It's to go, oh, look, Carrick's doing this. We didn't do it under the other one. Oh, why is someone putting it out there that Carrick was an underdog?

31:2021 game just to have a pop at Amrim. Oh, hello. Amrim was at an under 21. So it's just like they're still putting stuff out about the old manager. Now, I don't agree with the sacking of Amrim at that time, but I've moved on. We are where we are now. It's a hatchet job. Exactly. The club are constantly spending time spinning when actually the real problems are the problems we've just spent for the last half an hour. I mean, look, I've moved on from the whole Scholes-Butt-Martinez thing. I think most of you have. I'm waking up this morning and I'm still seeing tweets from very dubious accounts on X who, let's just say, were very pro-Sir Jim and anti-guitar.

32:02Lots of those lot. And also, even TalkSport were at it this morning. Still going on about X players and the problem they're causing for Man United. There's some bloody presenter on TalkSport, I've never bloody heard of them. And they've done some big monologue about the problems with Manchester United's ex-players. And, you know, I'm like, it's a shame you don't do a fucking monologue about the board at Man United or Glynios or the last two years, because I tell you what, that's a monologue I've listened to. But a monologue about the problem of ex-players, I just find it hilarious because, you know, you can have opinions on it, but, like, this is the sort of stuff I'm seeing.

32:42United won't be rebuilt through non-stop criticism. We need unity backing the players and the manager through tough moments, not only showing up to point fingers when results dip. I mean, that's a very, very Glazerite opinion, isn't it? The Glazerites are out. That's what I'm saying. I ain't got a problem with people having a problem with X players, the United stands, fan content, whatever. That's life. But it's this spin of now it's like the pile on of X players and they're the problem. Like if Mickey Butt and Paul Scholes held hands and walked around Old Tafford singing United, United, we love Martinez, suddenly we're going to win the league.

33:23It's preposterous, isn't it? It's absolutely preposterous. And I think it all goes back to a PR machine that is well run at Man United. It's one of the few things that's run well at Man United. Their PR is so tight. You know, you've got journalists who are basically clients. You've got certain ex-players who are on the payroll as well. and it's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And apparently now being critical of the club makes you an outlaw, makes you a criminal. And I'm like, I don't agree with some of the criticism that's been put out there by ex-players over the last few days. I don't agree with it.

33:59I've said my piece. But when it flips completely to they're the problem. I mean, amazingly, I am seeing people doing videos, news articles, tweets about our ex-players being the problem. like people want them to get cancelled. And I'm laughing my head off. I'm there eating my Cocoa Pops and I'm going, more cheese grommet. I'm laughing my head off. There's actually a movement to cancel our ex-players from speaking freely, freedom of speech, in the media. People actually think they should be stopped. But the club that's in huge debt, sacking managers, fucking up all the time, morons in charge, I'll leave them to it.

34:41We've got to get behind them. You know, if anything, we should be singing You're the Voice. Try and understand it. You know, arm in arm around Old Trafford. We've got to back them. And I'm like, oh, my God. By all means, take a pop at ex-players, but they're not the problem. They're not the problem. The problem is the problem that spins you away from the problem every bloody time. Yeah. I mean, look, I'd like the class of 92 to be the problem. I've got a great idea. If they're the problem, let's let them run the club for a year and see where we are in a year's time. And then if they fuck it up, we can cancel them.

35:17But I'd much rather have the class of 92 running Man United than the prats of the circus that we've got at the moment. Manifesting Carrick winning 10 to 15 games guaranteed Champions League, says Amit. You're really off today, mate. Put PR efforts into the medical team would be 25 percent better, says Stretford. Where's Delete? Has anyone seen a picture of Delete yet? Yeah, I don't have cheese on the Cocoa Pops. Good observation, CG. Good observation. OK, right. I want to just go. I'm going to go into your super chats in a minute because we've got a few to catch up on. But there is also a couple of news stories.

35:49There was something I saw on MUFC MPB this morning from about Ndidi and talks with Manchester United. How do you pronounce Ndidi? Because everyone's going, you pronounce it like Pdidi. I've always pronounced it Ndidi. Is it Ndidi? Sound like bloody Bob Coleman from Questioner Sport. Yes, indeed. Long, long ago. That was long, long ago. But yeah, so we have a story. Let me just read this. Some people are still talking about Ruben Neves. Well, Ruben Neves wants to come to Man United. I'm sure he wants to go to Aston Villa. I'm sure he wants to go anywhere where he can get some game time in the Premier League.

36:33Here it is. MUFC MPB about an hour ago, Man United have held talks about signing Wilfred Ndidi. The player is anxious to return to England. And this is from Alan Myers Media, who I've never heard of before. Look, I think you can take it to the bank that United have held talks with Loftus-Cheek or Ndidi or another midfielder. I actually saw that Aston Villa are now in talks with Loftus-Cheek as well. I mean, I don't know whether that makes him more appealing to Man United. But the difference with Aston Villa is that Aston Villa have a midfield of Kamara, Anana, McGinn, Tielemans. They've got four top-class midfielders in the sense of Aston Villa.

37:23Our midfield is the same midfield that sacked Eric Tanarg two years ago. so we shouldn't be looking at stopgap midfielders while people are injured we don't have any midfielders injured we need better than what we've got i think if you're aston villa you might look at loftus cheek as somebody that can just boost their midfield while it has injury problems and then send him back man united are looking at a player that comes in and it doesn't even make any sense to me if i'm being honest it doesn't make any sense um but with reuben neves and and diddy and loftus cheek i mean look reuben neves is probably going to cost money i don't think united are going to spend money on it um

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38:35download the moto casino app today where we what we should be doing and and i don't want to repeat myself because it's a new show but what we should be doing is what i mentioned yesterday is you get a story from The Athletic saying that Man United will only move for a midfield target if another club tries to buy them in January. Well, here's a novel idea. Why don't we try and buy them? It doesn't make any sense, does it? Because you're going, we want to buy them in the summer, but if somebody tries to buy them in January, we will move. That means if someone moves within January, you'll move. How about, I can't get my head around it.

39:16So basically, if, let's say, Man City move for Anderson next week, we will bid. Well, why don't you bid then? Why don't you take Man City out of the equation and bid now? If somebody else has to start it, why don't you start it? It's nonsensical, really, when you think about it. I mean, they did say in The Athletic that Adam Wharton is another player on Man United's radar. Like Elliot Anderson, he is drawing interest from several clubs should Palace consider selling. Additionally, United have held preliminary talks with Brighton over the summer, but there has been no progress on that front so far.

40:00I don't think we're going to move for any of them, are we? Look, I said a few weeks ago, I think we'll end up with, I mean, look, we could end up with Deserby as the coach and Belaba as the midfielder. And I don't think that necessarily improves us. because again it's just going back to what I was saying before it's this inexperience mentality of building for a future I think United just want to you know like Arsenal want to win everything this year and Man City want to win everything every year and Liverpool want to win everything every year and that's sort of their mantra isn't it at the start of the season we want to win all the big prizes and if we don't win anything it's disappointing if we win one it's okay so they go into the season one of winning everything right Burnley come into the season wanting to stay up Fulham probably come into the season saying we have to stay up and if we can finish in the top half it's a great season for us yeah Brighton come up and say we want to be in between sixth and tenth I think Man United's mantra at the moment is we just want to be sixth maybe fifth actually yeah fifth if they all do the hard work so we get an extra spot we would we would like fifth.

41:15We're not interested in fourth. Fifth place, everyone else does the hard work to get the extra spot in Europe and we'll take that. I think that's what United want now. I think we just want fifth. I think that's it. Fifth place, that's the thing that makes the shareholders happy. Fifth place. And you know what? You'll never get an honest answer, but it's disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting that that's what... Imagine Samat Busby being told that. Yeah, Man United are happy with fifth now, Samat. that's what we are I mean Sir Alex is still alive I mean I don't know what he thinks I don't know someone just said it in the chat Man United he hated finishing second absolutely hated finishing second and now he's watching a club week in week out that's ambition is fifth that's literally our sweet spot fifth place we'll be happy with that we get the money build the stadium and on the stadium by the way this pops into my head on the stadium.

42:14And I'd say this to every Man United fan, right? Because the stadium is going to become a topic at some point. On the stadium, we are nearly a billion pounds in debt, which disgusts every Man United fan. On this stadium, what are you going to do when the stadium gets written off to start being built and you figure out we're another two billion in debt? That the people investing into it to pay for it want that back at some point. What are we doing as a fan base when we figure that out, that the stadium is going to get built on debt that we've got to pay back? And it'll be hit, you know, are the club going to admit this?

42:56Are we actually going to get this detail? And does anyone actually give a shit? Because you talk about the billion pounds of debt all the time, and we're about to sign up to probably another two billion of debt. now that might be concealed debt I will pay them back on the profits still debt it's the same as a bloody mortgage can I have a million pounds to buy a house please yes you can you'll give us 1.8 million back over the next 30 years well I've got a house I'm not really in debt because I can afford to pay it well you are in fucking debt and you pay an interest as well how are we paying for this stadium it's going to be oh we're looking for investment okay I'm John I'm having a chat with Jim I will invest in your stadium.

43:38I will give you the full two billion pounds to build it. John's going to invest in it. It's not going to cost us a penny. Hold on a minute. Why are you putting that out? Yeah, don't tell them. What am I getting back? You're getting three billion back, John. When am I getting it? Over the next 20 years. Good. Why are you telling everyone you're not paying for it? Because they're idiots. It doesn't matter. So I am getting, it's in writing, John. You're getting three billion back for giving us two billion over the next 30 years. Great. Okay, I just wondered why you were telling everyone that it's not more debt for the club.

44:07Oh, because they're idiots, they don't mind. So this is something that I think the Manchester United Supporters Trust and other groups need to start thinking about. We always talk about the debt. There's a protest coming up a week on, when we're playing Fulham, week on Saturday, week on Sunday. There's a protest coming up and I'm sure the debt will get mentioned. This stadium is going to be built on debt. 100%. It's going to get built on debt. the Glazers are not going to pay for it and neither Sir Jim so more debt on the club there's people out there that think in five years time when we built the stadium we're going to be mega rich because we're going to have a bigger attendance and we're going to have people buying pizza and going to the cinema before the game you've got to pay for it you've got to pay for that you know and Dan says most stadiums are built on debt I'm not disputing that Dan I don't know what your point is What I'm saying is we're already a billion pounds in debt and we're about to build another state, about to build a stadium that's going to pile more debt on the club.

45:09My point is, Dan, what do people think is going to happen when that stadium gets built? Because I think some people think we're instantly going to be, we've won the lottery. We're paying for that for a very long time. I think United are going to cut their cloth accordingly for a very, very long time. A very, very long time. Casemiro, Bruno, Maguire, Shaw are staying next season. Amit, you're really boring me this morning. Do you get the concept of a news show where we talk and react about what we're talking about? It's not the Amit show. You think we need a midfielder with aerial ability, says Thretford Signal.

45:43I think that's very niche. I mean, look, somebody that's good in the air in the way that football is being played at the moment might not be a bad thing. And Casemiro is good in the air. But I think we need a midfielder with a multitude of attributes. I mean, look, Elliot Anderson's good in the air, isn't he? Do you think Ndidi ever been to Didi party, says Maz Rawawi? Hi all, and did he just purchase the nightclub in Leicester? I signed up and DJ there. He's moving back as well, says Garfield. Manifesto, done that from Amit. Where do you want to be at the start of 26-27 season? Where do I want to be, Galoos?

46:16Or where do I want Man United to be? I want Man United to be in the top, in the Champions League. Remember when they was comparing out rondos to Ajax, saying how rubbish they were under Ten Hag? Was impressed. We can do it in front of a crowd at last, says Glenn. We apparently hire the correct people for marketing, finance and other cash making positions in the club. How do we keep on fucking up sporting hires, says Slazy. Good point. Kiel says, before considering a manager, we have to decide how we want to play. We've done that one. I think the worst thing is they want potential, but they don't understand what it takes to turn potential into talent, says Nick P.

46:52Let's buy another larder, says Crixus. Can we trend the clowns are running the circus, says Vincent. shocked to see a reporter like Simon Stone who has so much credibility doing dirty work on behalf of the Glynios do they forget internet exists says Shornuk and too many chefs in the kitchen says Adichio done nothing Deserbi says Simon I mean I'm looking forward to watching them tonight he is definitely going to be on the list for Manchester United so and obviously I hope they beat Liverpool tonight anyway but I'll be interested to see it's a long time since I've watched the Deserbi team my memories of him at Brighton was again just too open too stubborn you know but but a decent brand of football permanent manager must be selected very carefully says amit thank you very much for that mark the ownership are insulated from loss the club is in debt the glazes are making the profit clean just look at their financial model says red devil packer uh and jim is an alchemist he's buying up the world supply of lead that he will convert to gold it makes perfect sense as rory c and as an engineer i can guarantee that you that the initial cost estimates never go as planned it could end up being more than two billion as well so structural mastery and red devil girl hope you're doing well says do they only want two midfielders even if we get champions league football if they believed we'd get top five they should be bringing in three so first one in january for the depth says red devil girl look i think in relation to the transfer window we could spend an hour again talking about why we should have been active in the transfer window because we should have been.

48:27However, I think when you look at, if I was going to copy any football club's model for success at the moment, I would be looking at Liverpool, Arsenal or Manchester City. I would not be looking at Chelsea because they don't have success under this model. The Chelsea model hasn't delivered a Premier League title. Roman Abramovich's model did. He's not in charge. Todd Bowley's model hasn't delivered a Premier League title and hasn't got anywhere near one. So I'd be looking at Arsenal, Man City and Liverpool. And the interesting thing about Manchester City and Liverpool have done it is that, and even Chelsea have done it, haven't they as well, to be fair, is that if you look at Man City, they've used the two January transfer windows to bring in, I think, seven players.

49:16I think in the last two January transfer markets, they've brought seven players in.

49:24which, it's just ridiculously economical, isn't it? It's ridiculously efficient. We're trying to rebuild our club in one window once a year. And Man City are effectively using three a year or two a year, January and the summer. Their efficiency is 100 % ahead of ours because they are doubling up in their efficiency. They are using the January transfer market to build their team quicker. and better and we ignore it and you're absolutely right if we are rebuilding our midfield we should be bringing one in in january or a winger in in january or a wing back in in january or a backup striker there are so many issues in that team that you should be using the january market but we never do we never do um anyway great show this morning really enjoyed it i hope you have as well uh the day i'm on the two o 'clock show today it's day it's beth stays off day off mord's isn't in today so i'm actually on the two o 'clock show and i'm thinking about doing something a little bit different there's a style of show i've wanted to try for a while so i'm thinking the two o 'clock show might be it so depends on the news but we will see uh but i'm back with you at two o 'clock and again it's the seven o 'clock show tonight because we are doing marseille liverpool on that's football it's a very good watch along last night stay safe everybody make sure you've smashed a like on the video we have nearly hit a thousand likes that's great over 10 000 watching again you're absolute legends i think people this year want to be in the top one percent in the yearly rap which youtube only started last year so make sure you're watching all the shows uh competition for the top one percent in december stay safe i'll speak to you in a bit have a great day john daly here you know what day it is neither do i i live life daily That's why I only spend on Moto Casino.

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