351: DISGRACE! Man United 2-2 Bournemouth MATCH REACTION!

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1:18Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm our Goldbridge Manchester United 2, Bournemouth 2. Talk to me. Talk to me about that. I don't think in 10 years of doing this, I've been silenced by something that I just didn't expect as much as I did with that Maguire red card. I'm just sort of like, look, there is other things to talk about. Definitely. You know, Steve Holland is quite a negative coach? Is the jury out on Carrick? Why is Sesco not starting? These are all relevant points. Regardless, you should never be reliant on referees, not in this league. I mean, in a way, we're moaning over nothing because we all know the PGMOL are rubbish.

1:58I mean, what are we doing? Literally, what are we doing? Are we shouting and pretending that this is something new? It's always happening. So you can't be reliant on the referees. And maybe we should have got the game won in the first half when Bournemouth were crap and we had a lot of the ball. But it is still hard to justify. It's hard to get your head around. It really is. So we're going to get into all that. Get your comments in. The Manchester United game has ended 2-2. Don't forget, thank you very much to Balls Sports for powering our match reaction and shows today. If you're new to Balls Sports, bet£10,£40 in free bets.

2:34Go to the Balls Sports website or app. Details are in the description and via the QR code. 18 plus only UK and Ireland And customers full terms are on the screen. Thank you very much to Ball Sports. But we start off with, look, the Cunha penalty is a penalty. There's no doubt about that. The Maguire one is fine. I think of LaCroix for Crystal Palace on Cunha. I said that was harsh. I felt he put an arm on him. I think Cunha went down a bit soft. He's the last man. So let's use that. Let's be fair. Follow me on this one. Don't worry. Follow me. We'll end up united. Don't worry. So Cunha's penalty is a penalty in this game.

3:21Maguire gets sent off and they get a penalty. OK, OK. Happened to us a couple of weeks ago against Palace. I think Cunha went down a little bit easy. It was the last man. He did put his arm on him. Fine. Maguire gets sent off, they get a penalty. Okay, fine. We've both got a penalty, right? The problem is their goal, which would have been 1-1, before that, Ahmad gets softly, or whatever you want to call it, pushed over. How is that not a penalty if you're going to give the Maguire one? And I think that is where we are, and nobody can argue about that. Kunja, a couple of weeks ago, goes down a little bit soft, very clever, last man, red card palace.

4:07Evan Nilsson goes down, little bit soft, last man, red card Maguire. Absolutely fine. Absolutely fine. Okay. Consistency, whatever you want to say. But you can't give that and then not give the Ahmad one. And that's the problem I've got, is that I understand the Maguire one. It's technically depriving a goal scoring opportunity. it's very soft but we got it a couple of weeks ago fine it feels a bit I felt shocked I was like why is Maguire getting sent off but okay I can go back two weeks and I can go okay you can't have the cookie and whatever whatever the saying is but the problem is when you look at the Ahmad one again that's that's that's gunners because not only did you not give the penalty they scored and that's the problem as well.

4:56So I think that, I feel like we've been, I think it's a disgrace really. I do. I think it is a disgrace because, and look, I've done it on this channel. I've done it on That's Football. I've been very consistent about the PGMOL and I think that's a bit, I think that's a bit shit to be honest. I think it is a bit shit because yeah, I can deal with the Maguire one because of what happened to us with Palace, but that the contact on Evan Nilsson is literally the same as the contact on Ahmad. And look, Ahmad isn't a goal scoring opportunity, but it's still in the box, isn't it? I did see something online before I went live saying, well, Maguire did it in the first half as well.

5:41He pushed him in the back. I don't think that was a penalty at all. I really, really don't. And what we're talking about here is the officials. And I don't want to be talking about the officials, but you do have to start off there. I think we've been a bit unlucky there. But beyond that, a few things I want to talk about as well. Get your comments in. I think the jury is still very much out on this coaching team. I think that I have to say this look I want to say the first thing about the officials and I think that's really really important but moving on from that I'm somewhat perplexed how we need a penalty on Ahmad to beat Bournemouth tonight I'm like we seem to be like it's a moment of brilliance by Kunya let's not forget that goal the penalty that Bruno scores we don't create that that's just a £60 million signing who could do that for anybody.

6:33It was just incredible control. One is a penalty out of nothing. So that's another moment of individual brilliance that makes it 1-0. The Ahmad goal would have been, again, another penalty. So where are the goals? Where are the goals? Where are all the chances today? Because I'm watching that game and I'm like, Bournemouth were crap in the first half and we go in at 0-0. And that sort of frustrates me a little bit. I mean, I'm massively frustrated about the penalty that we should have got. I'm watching it here. I mean, Ahmad doesn't help himself. I think Ahmad's got a little bit of a reputation as a diver, but that doesn't justify it when you...

7:16Actually, I take that back because that's what VAR's for. The referee might think it's Ahmad diving, but I genuinely think VAR should look at it. I really do. But look, they go and score up the other end. But my point is, both our goals today, one's an own goal and one's a penalty. And if we're being harsh, how have we scored a penalty and an own goal in a game like that? Because Bournemouth were really bad. I was going to say, I think Bournemouth are the worst team we've played this season. It's not this season. I think Bournemouth is the worst team Carrick's played. Apart from Spurs with 10 men.

8:01I'm looking at the Ahmad one again here.

8:07I mean, I do think Ahmad goes down a little bit soft, but that's not... I'm looking at it...

8:16I mean, it's no different. The thing is, I don't even know why I said that. Whether it's soft or not, it's no different to what Maguire did. That's the problem, isn't it? It's no different to what Maguire did. Anyway, going back, we have to move on. There's other stuff to talk about Yeah, I'm a little bit perplexed tonight About how we're moving as a team I've mentioned this before Performance, results And I don't think the performances of United Have been that good I don't think the performances have been that good From United for a few weeks But we've been getting the results When we lost to Newcastle People weren't happy because the performance wasn't very good and we lost.

9:00When we drew to West Ham, people weren't very happy because the performance wasn't very good and we drew. And I think again tonight, the performance wasn't very good. When you think about it, where were the chances from open play? Kunja creates a penalty, Bruno scores an own goal from a set piece, and it creates an own goal from a set piece. And where I'm going to go with this is probably not going to be rocket science, but I'm getting a little bit frustrated with Embermo up front. Not Embermo. I'm getting a little bit frustrated as to why Carrick keeps picking Embermo up front and Ahmad on the wing and leaving Sesco on the bench.

9:41When Sesco's the guy that's put Carrick in the position to get the job, it was Sesco who scored the winner against Fulham in the last minute. It was Sesco who equalised against West Ham in the last minute. It was Sesko who scored the winner against Everton when we were shit. I mean, he's literally given him seven points when we could have got two. And he's sitting on the bench again so that we can watch Mbermo up front not play well, with Ahmad on the wing not play well. And Sesko sits on the bench for 70 minutes. And I'm like, I don't get it. I actually don't get it anymore. It's fine when you're winning, but in the first half, Bournemouth was shit and we go in at half nil-nil.

10:26And I'm like, why is Embermo up front? Why is he up front? Are you just waiting for a pass from Bruno Okunia to get him in one-on-one? I mean, we spent£65 million on him, put him on the fucking wing and put Sesco up front who costs£70 million. quid. I'm like, the frustration with that draw is obviously there's a lot of controversy about the penalties, right? But we still should have won the game. We still should have won that game. And in searching as to the reasons why we didn't win it, I'm sure people will say Luke Shaw was shit, Deleuze was shit, maybe someone else was shit. But we didn't actually create any decent chances, apart from Bruno in the first half where he cleared it off the line.

11:11And Bournemouth play the way we like. Bournemouth play wide open and we love to counter into space. And we created nothing. Created nothing today. And I think, like, why is Sesco not starting? Why is Mbermo not on the wing? And I think this is a fair point. And I think the jury has to still be out on whether Carrick should get the job. We can't just give him the job on results. We have to analyse performance. And yes, I definitely agree. It's disgraceful what's happened around the penalties. But look at the two goals we scored. An own goal from a cross and a penalty because Konya did something individualistically.

11:58And yet we were the better team by a long way, but we couldn't create any chances. And I think a lot of that has got to do with putting a winger up front, playing a winger out who's not playing very well and then not using Sesco enough. And I think it needs calling out because they might give Carrick the job and that means Steve Holland. And I think his tactics are boring. I think they're really boring. I think they were boring under England and I think they're boring here. England got to a Euros final twice and a World Cup semi-final. Man United are third in the league. Look, you can't argue.

12:33might be boring, but it gets you places. But when it doesn't get you places, it's fucking boring. And I think tonight I'm like, are we just relying on individualism and poor team selection? Because I just don't get why he won't start Sesco. I really don't. Also, what I will say as well, I have to say this. I wrote it down. I don't really want to say it, but I am going to be honest and say it. We've just given...

13:13We've just... Sorry, there's a comment here from Bruno Fernandes that I'm going to bring in. We finished the game with a lot of suffering. The frustration also came from us because we should have been 3-1 up and we go, Ahmad, concede a goal. We don't get a penalty and they get one. That's more or less the same as Ahmad. Yeah, it's a fair point. Fair point. I think this needs to be said, right? Today, Manchester United have announced that they're going to give Harry Maguire a new contract.

13:41I'm not really massively-ish bothered either way, but there's two things I would say. The positive is he wants to stay at Man United. He's experienced. We don't know what the wage is, by the way. The flip side of the coin is too, right? First of all, Manchester City don't keep people beyond their sell-by date. They don't. De Bruyne, you're off. David Silva, you're off. Kyle Walker, you're off. Man United are going to keep a 33-year-old centre-back at Man United next season. And Harry has never been the sort of player that wants to sit on the bench. We play a back four now. It doesn't matter whether he's 33 or he's 25.

14:24if he ends up in the back four and somebody plays a pass like that he won't get there he won't get there he's just not going to get there so

14:40Maguire in a back four that's going to happen a lot that will happen a lot because he's better in a back three he's better in a back three and in a back four that will keep happening because he's not quick enough.

15:01And have United kept Maguire because it's cheap or have they kept Maguire because they actually think he can start for United next season? And that's the, you know, tonight it's cost us a win, hasn't it, if we're being completely honest. And I agree with David. He's a really good defender, but it's, the lack of pace will hurt us a little bit and I think that I thought Yoro played well tonight but I think Maguire had a bit of an off game to be honest and you know I'm frustrated though I'm frustrated I am frustrated I've got to say let me get into your comments officials need points league performance based system with relegation and promotion look Sam I get the frustration about the PGMOL but part of me feels like going where have you all been like this has been going on for four years.

15:51I can't really sit here and say, oh my God, it's the biggest injustice in the world. It's three or four times a weekend in three or four Premier League games. We're not unique. Like this happens game to game to game to game every week in the Premier League. We've been done tonight, but tomorrow it will be someone else. And Sunday it will be somebody else. we are not unique. We're not going to get, we're not going to be front page news. It will just be moved on because the officiating is a joke. It is a joke. Can't use low block as an excuse. Attack was lacking, says Marlow. Carrick is too weak with the Stars and Bermos should not be starting.

16:34The one thing I asked from United managers to have some guts and characters is Yanni. Look, I think that, I think it has to be said that there is an issue with the team selection because Bournemouth were there for the taking and we didn't score any goals from open play. We didn't do it. And that's incredible to me. And I think you've got to look at your team and you've got to say that Mbamo up front hasn't worked for weeks. When was the last time Mbamo played well up front? Arsenal, Man City, two months ago. Ahmad's on the wing, doesn't work at the moment. And Cesco's our best attacker and he's on the bench.

17:13apart from Kunia. So we've dropped two points today. We've dropped two points. We can blame the referee, but I think at halftime we should have been out of sight. I think we should have been 2-0 up. We need a deep dive into this game. This game was the epiphany of the past games that we lost or drew. Games that we should be winning are being lost, says the Moose one. Why are long throws back? I mean, I tell you what, I don't even know what to say there, Dirty Street. why the fuck is the low running across to the other side of the pitch to do long throw-ins again i was having flashbacks to hammer him i was like what carrick got rid of that we've stopped doing that and it happened again tonight twice uh and burma looks fed up really ridiculous leaving sesco out says uh lee i haven't seen any of this but a few people have said that in burma didn't look happy but i wouldn't be happy if i was in burma he's a he's a winger really He can play up front, but he's a winger really.

18:09Same old problem, we take forever to move the ball, always attacking against 10 men, says Dimaj. Not starting Sesko at nine versus a low block team, kills me, says George. Where was Manu? We need to gather a search party for our academy product. We buy two midfielders this summer and Manu ends right back where Amrim had him, says Manoj. Stop this false nine crap and start Sesko, says Maliki. Passing accuracy was 78%. Bournemouth was 85%, says Marlow. Shocking. Being so sure about top four will come back and bite you, Mark. This team is not up for it. Not starting Sesko, but carries starting Ahmad and Bermot, says James.

18:44Furious. It's a stonewall penalty for us. The Maguire one was nothing. We were robbed, says Lee. I think the Maguire one was a penalty, mate, if you want the Ahmad one. I don't have a problem with the Maguire one. It's very similar to what happened with LaCroix, but the Ahmad one should have been given. 2-1 should have shut up shop, says Lee. Honestly, Mark, at this point, I don't want the Premier League refs at the World Cup. they're so inconsistent says Lung fourth best league in the world with these refs fourth says Manchester we're in a good position still but fragile third position says the Moose one Quinstar says VAR is terrible the penalty we got last was less of a penalty than the Ahmad one Snyder says you're too harsh on Ahmad Mark he's works mate no before I carry on what are you talking about I'm too harsh on Ahmad please tell me when I say anything bad about Ahmad He had a bad game.

19:34I don't do that. If you want to say Luke Shaw, thumbs up. If you want to say Deleuze, thumbs up. But don't start putting words into my mouth. I'm not harsh on Ahmad. I always stick up for Ahmad. So I'm not having that. He works much harder than Gnach or Rashford. He's not getting the end products, but he's not poor when you look at the in-game numbers. No, he played poor today, mate. Come on. He could have been one-on-one in the first half and he miscontrolled it. Should have lost the game. I retain my position, which is Kunja, says Konstantin, that he dived. Now, Maguire red card and penalty is one of the softest penalties I've ever seen.

20:12Disgusting referee, says Yuv. One never likes blaming a ref for a loss, but he was the reason both Bournemouth goals today. That kind of thing wouldn't happen in the AFCON, says Lulol. VAR gave the Ahmad penalty if Bournemouth don't score, says Fraser. Just Ashraf, welcome to Members Club. Thank you very much. Mark the ref robbed us as a result simple as that Ahmad should have got a penalty and we were 2-0 ups as 40 abysmal performance we need full backs love from Nashville thank you very much Carrick the low and sure cost us couldn't you will work better up front compared to when Bermos is just Arish Constantine says it was a dive this game was a hard watch because you can see the problems not starting our best number 9 says Jonathan Jackson says poor officiating poor performance and poor tactics Carrick has done a good job in getting results but he's not the man to take us back to the top.

21:02And Valentin says, Embermo has to be on the wing and Ahmad was shocking again. Yaro and Hevin next, hope it works, says Quinster. Does Maguire staying mean Carrick is two, says Moe. And officials need a point set. Look, I've got Michael Carrick on my screen here. I don't know what he's saying, but what I will say is this. If he's coming out blaming the officials, that's a cop-out. Because if we'd won that game 2-1 and maybe Maguire doesn't get sent off or maybe we get the Ahmad penalty, but the performance is the same, I'd still be sat here saying, it's a great result, but where's the performance again?

21:40If we'd won that game, which maybe we should have done, I'd still be sat here going, it's another win where we've won because of individualism from Bruno or Cunha. We didn't play well again. Marlowe, under 80 % pass accuracy Where were the chances from open play? I don't think we've played well today I don't, I think we should have won the game And I think the officiating is a joke But I don't think we can keep walking out And going referees, this, that and the other Like the referees have done us in today But the two goals we scored Was an individual goal from Cunha Penalty And an own goal from Bruno's corner Where are the open play chances again?

22:25Why are we passing the ball around so shit? Why are we not creating chances? Because he's sticking Mbamo up front and he's putting Ahmad on the wing and he's sitting a striker on the bench. The team's disjointed. Nobody knows where anybody's going. You look at Mbamo, he's making runs and then Kunja won't pass. Kunja gets the ball, he's looking to make a pass and Mbamo's not there. It's not good. The football is, I agree with Karnadev, the football's shit actually, if we're being honest, but don't let the officiating, which was shit, cloud the judgment that we played really well tonight because we didn't.

22:59We didn't play well. And I don't rate that coach, Steve Holland. I don't rate him. I think he's negative and I don't think he suits what Man United should be all about. So I'm not convinced by results over performance. And we should have won tonight and we have been robbed by the referee, but there was a lot wrong with it again. I think we've been pretty shit since Arsenal and City and we've had some really good results. Villa was a good result. Fulham was a good result. But West Ham, Everton, Newcastle and today, I think we've been pretty poor. And if the club are looking at it and being blinded by results, that's a bit worrying.

23:44I hope over this international break, we're actually going to interview some coaches because if we're going all in on this, I think next season will be a bumpy ride. I really do. But look, we were robbed today. It was shit officiating. But all I'm saying is, where were the chances? How, and also against a very poor Bournemouth team, where were the chances? How many sitters did Kunya, Mbermo, Ahmad, Bruno, Manu miss? I don't remember any chances apart from Bruno's, which was cleared off the line in the first half. I don't remember any chances we created in that game apart from Bruno's. I can't.

24:24I can't remember any. So what we're basically saying is we've been robbed by the PGRL. Well, there's a big fucking queue for that. I'm telling you now, and I've got nothing to back this up. If he'd started Sesco and he put Embermo on the wing, I think we'd have won. I think we would have won. And I'll also say if he'd started Sesco and put Mbermo on the wing against West Ham, I think we'd have won. So it doesn't work with Mbermo up front. It doesn't work. Mbermo up front does not work. It doesn't work. Simple as that. Anyway, thanks everyone for watching. Let's get over to the player ratings. Sorry, not player ratings, fan forum.

25:05Ricky's probably going to give Man of the Match to Luke Shaw, I think. Player ratings will be coming up after that. thanks everyone for watching and I'll speak to you all in a bit