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1:26And we've got some big news this morning because Manchester United have been linked to Nico Schlotterbeck of Dortmund from a very good source. Also Morgan Rodgers, Bruno Fernandes, Player of the Month. We'll be talking Luis Skelly, Jal Gomez, James Garner, and there's somebody else on the tip, Branthwaite. We're back in for Branthwaite apparently as well. So lots to get onto on this good Friday. I hope you're having a Good Friday without the religious connotations of what Good Friday actually means. We won't go there, but I hope you are having a Good Friday. Welcome. It's a bank holiday in the UK, so it was a little bit later today because we're just doing some things this morning, but that doesn't matter.

2:05We've still got an Ata Cox show for you tonight, live and all over this weekend. So get involved. I hope you're doing well. And as always, get your comments in. So we're going to start off with this very interesting story that's coming out from Pletigol. Florian Plettenberg, you may know the name when it comes to transfer time. He is a German journalist and very good around German transfers and sometimes sticks his nose into outside of Germany. But this is very German-centric. So Manchester United are interested in Dortmund's Nico Schlotterbeck, an unnamed club, has made an official contact with the players' camp.

2:39If he doesn't sign his new contract, he will be available in the summer for 30 to 35 million euros. I'm telling you now, that's bargain of the summer. I mean, if you don't know anything about Schlotterbeck, I mean, I've actually got a shirt here that was sent to me by the Bundesliga and it's actually signed by the whole team, including Schlotterbeck. We'll be giving that away later. No, we won't. But yeah, I mean, look, obviously I've watched a lot of the Bundesliga this season with our exclusive rights on That's Football. but you don't need to watch a lot of the Bundesliga to know that Schlotterbeck is low-key one of the best centre-backs in Europe and Real Madrid, Liverpool and a lot of the other clubs are looking at him.

3:23I think this is the sort of deal that would get many people very very excited. He is out of contract in a year so if that contract's not going to get signed with one year left on his contract and playing in the Bundesliga you're not talking stupid money here. You're not talking 50, 60 million. I think Plottenberg is absolutely correct. You're talking around, I mean, you know, maybe 30 million, maybe 35 million pounds. I know he's saying euros, but I'm saying, you know, even if it was 30 to 35 million pounds, it's still a very, very good deal. Also, premium centre back in United's eyes because he's got ability, he's got agility, he's got speed, he's left footed and he's six foot three.

4:04Remember, we are going to be losing Casemiro this summer and Harry Maguire at some point. He is very good in the air. So I think, I mean, I don't want to be disrespectful to people like Harry Maguire or Lissandro Martinez, but Schlotterbeck, who's only just age profile as well, he's only just turned 26. I think it would be a really intelligent move for Manchester United and you'd be wondering just how involved Favell is on this because there's a couple of talents coming out of the Bundesliga at the moment. There's a story on Al Mahler which I want to touch on in a little bit. But this is the sort of deal that if Man United want to get back to the top, you've got to be all over these types of deals because that will definitely have an impact on how United develop.

5:01Because I know Sesco's a good signing and Le Mans is a good signing and Dorgou hopefully will be a good signing. But these types of signings, they don't have to be Premier League exclusive either. I mean, you look at Cunha and Embermo, they have been good signings. I know they've had little dips, but they have been good signings. And I think Schlotterbeck, United should be all over it because he would be the profile of centre-back that you need. My concern is, and I've seen some people say it in the chat, what do I think of Schlotterbeck? Quick, tall, good on the ball, perfect experience. That would be perfect for Manchester United.

5:41My concern is, and a few people have said it in the chat, if Harry Maguire is being kept, which looks very, very, very likely, does that indicate we won't actually buy a centre-back? Because I'm telling you now, for£30 million, 26-year-old Schlotterbeck, who was only 26 at Christmas, is absolutely perfect. Now, some people said, what about his injury problems? Not really. He had an injury in September last year. Sorry, April to September last year. He had an issue where he missed 20 games. But post that, not really anything. Missed a couple of games in February with a muscular problem. but no I mean look people do pick you're never going to get anybody perfect really you know it's very rare that you're going to find a Bruno Fernandes Ghost says was this pre-recorded obviously not mate because we're live and I'm interacting with the chat but yeah I think I think I would I would be excited if United were looking at this I just want to put a word of warning out there when you actually read what Pletigol is saying it says an unnamed club has made official contact Man United are interested so I mean in the five strands of transfer is this true bollocks agent-led Dortmund-led or is he looking for a new contract at Dortmund and Manganata being used so yeah but I think I think the only the only reservation this is just too good a signing I would say 100 % sign him up you don't get players of that quality for 30 million pounds who are experienced and that to me makes him perfect but I said this when we gave Harry Maguire a new contract is that the club going we can give Maguire a contract on reduced wages and not buy a centre-back and basically save money in the process and I don't believe keeping Harry Maguire is a good idea if it if you're ignoring signing people like Schlotterbeck so this is what I say there is there is no action without consequence and loads of people were going oh give Harry a new contract give him a quiet give him a new contract, give him a new contract.

7:49And I'm like, it's all right saying give him a new contract, but what are you not doing by doing that? Like, would Man City keep John Stones on at Man City and give him a new contract or would they let him go and buy a centre-back? They'd buy a bloody centre-back. They just did it in January. They bought Geahy. So until Man United start acting like a club that goes and buys people, I mean, and that's an opportunity as well. One year left on his contract. Perfect, left-footed, you know, it solves a lot of problems for United. tall, quick, good on the ball and I think will we do that type of a deal?

8:22I'd like to be optimistic and say yes let's see what happens with it but as always I think we may have already dropped the hint that we're not going to do this by renewing Maguire unfortunately. Morning Mark keep up the great work says Dane thank you very much having a laugh has gifted a membership as well you're a legend sir Goldfridge says if we go for a centre-back after keeping Maguire it likely means that Lissandro or De Ligt cannot be trusted going forward or Martinez might be leaving. I don't think we're going to get a centre-back because I think that when you look at it, you've got Maguire, you've got De Ligt, you've got Lissandro, you've got Luke Shaw, you've got Yoro, you've got Heaven.

9:01You've got six centre-backs for two positions. And I just don't think we're going to buy a centre-back. I really, really don't. And I agree with the only dog. There are too many sentimentals in this fan base. And look, you're absolutely correct, mate. A couple of weeks ago, we did a poll. Would you give Maguire a new contract? I think he'd scored a goal or played quite well and nearly 60 % said yes. And you sort of look at it and go, that's sentimentality. He's 33. He'll be 34 next season. He's picking up more injuries. He's been a good servant to the club. It's time to move him on. But people are like, give him a new contract.

9:39And then a couple of weeks later, you talk about Schlatterbeck and everyone knows what a good signing that would be. But we can't do it because we've kept Maguire. And that's exactly what sentimentality is. The heart rules the head and the head is move him on and get a centre back in because there's an opportunity there. But it's all about the money, isn't it? We'll save money there to use it somewhere else. Having a laugh has gifted another membership as well. You're absolute legends, sir. just on just sticking with Germany for a moment I did see something this morning we'll come back to that about Rodri as well I did see something this morning about Almala and I'm just seeing if I can find it here where is it Almala also from Pletiburg Cologne are pushing for a quick sale of Almala preferably to the Premier League there is no fixed asking price but internally they are convinced that 40 million euros will not be enough brighton are seriously interested offers were made but at that price they are currently out talks with english clubs are ongoing no agreements or final decisions have been made i'm telling you now almala is definitely worth a look i don't know whether man united are one of those clubs i bet we're not i bet we don't have the money but that's another player that i think would be very good from the bundesliga now just before we move on i want i wanted to just bring this in uh this was on uh our Ben Jacobs show yesterday afternoon.

11:00I just wanted to drop it back in because Manchester United held a meeting with Brantwaite's camp in February and it was reiterated from the player's side that his interest in United hasn't gone away. I mean, what the f... are we doing? What the f... are we doing? Like, if that... I mean, I don't know whether that just slipped through the net for everybody yesterday, but Jared Brantwaite, oh my God. like he's okay but he's not really set the world on fire since we tried to buy him last time and currently uh has a contract till 2030 what are we doing holding talks with jared branthwaite like everton won't mess about they'll still want 50 60 million pounds and he just isn't that type of a center back it's i don't i just don't know what we're doing i don't know what we're doing i think he's not as bad as people think and you know it was quite an interesting move for him a few years ago and he's still only 23 but again it's sort of like inios get locked in on something don't they like they wanted branthwaite everton wanted 70 million we offered 45 and we walked away quite rightly two summers later we're gonna go back in again and it's like it's like a it's like a dog with a bone isn't it they can't just leave it alone and move on Like, you've got Brantwaite that's probably going to cost you£60 million, who's 23.

12:24And you've got Schlotterbeck, who's going to cost you£30 million and is 26. Well, we know what United will do. Oh, we want the under-24-year-old. He is... If Man United is still looking at Brantwaite, I mean, look, maybe homegrown quota, maybe there's some method in that as well. But I don't see Brantwaite as the type of player that's going to be good value. That's my issue is he's not going to be good value. If you could get Brantwake for£30 million, I'd say there might be some good value there. But the money that is, well, it's exactly, it's like Lucia says, it's the same as Belaba. We scout a player, we believe it's the right player, and then evidence shows you that they're not, but we don't change targets.

13:05And I did see that from Ben Jacobs yesterday, and it did panic and alarm me a little bit because I think to be holding talks with Brantwake's camp in February, That's last month. Look, I'm sure Man United talked to a lot of players, but that would be concern if I'm being honest. And it probably is, like John says, a Wilcox target, if we're being honest. One second.

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14:55Yeah, so I just wanted to throw that back in because I'm just like, what the hell is all that about? Also this morning, I saw a story out there talking about Manchester United being interested in Morgan Rodgers this summer and that Morgan Rodgers is thinking about leaving Aston Villa. Look, I think the Morgan Rodgers stuff is probably because, you know, he is an England international. He's a very good player. And unfortunately for Aston Villa, I think when you play for Aston Villa, like Jack Grealish and many other players, Milner when he was there, there is another step. There is unfortunately another step if you're at Villa in the sense that I still think people look and go, I would leave Villa to go to Man City or Man United or Arsenal or Liverpool.

15:40So look, maybe Morgan Rodgers will be on the move, but he won't be a target for Manchester United. I wouldn't even give that any oxygen. I think the reality is he did play for Carrick at Middlesbrough. Maybe that's what it's all about. But United ain't going to sign Morgan Rodgers. It doesn't make any logical... Well, I say we're not going to. If Bruno Fernandes left, you might need a player, but he's a very different profile player to Bruno Fernandes in that number 10 role. And it would take 100 million pounds to get him. So I also think if we were going for a number 10 to replace Bruno, you know, Cole Palmer's been mentioned.

16:21I, for England, think Morgan Rodgers should play behind Harry Kane. But in a Man United side, I think Cole Palmer's more creative and intricate than Morgan Rodgers, who's a little bit more direct. So I can't see that. And the reason I mentioned it is obviously in this community, we have a lot of debate. We have a lot of conversation. I think it's also important that, and I said this last summer, we seem to, if you think about we've been doing this for like a decade, when I started doing this with you and those people who've been part of the community for that long, I'd say out of every transfer story, we were quite aware that 80, 90 % of them are total nonsense.

17:02I don't know whether society's changed in football but it feels like every story gets hyped now like somebody could say you know we're in advanced talks with you know an ITK an in the know account or an aggregator could just start and I've seen a few doing it already there was an aggregator account on X that's been around for a while and they've started posting stuff like they understand that Man United are doing this down the other And I'm like, you can't post as a bloody aggregator. You can't be an aggregator account posting inside information. That's not how it works. You've got to say where it's coming from.

17:40It can't be like, you know, the Manchester Evening News wouldn't necessarily say the Manchester Evening News understands. There'd be a journalist attached to that. And I think that in relation to Morgan Rodgers, I think it's bullshit. And I think there is a lot of bullshit that doesn't get called out as being bullshit. And we almost, on a daily basis, there'll be a story about a player or something. And it's like everybody takes it as truth without any verification or thought. We're not in for more than Rodgers. And it's just another story of another player that we're going to get linked to. But what I did find really interesting this morning, and it's got a bit of a niche to it, is that Fabrizio Romano last night said that Manchester City have offered a new contract to Rodri.

18:28What's that got to do with Man United, Mark? you might say. Well, it's got a lot to do with it because he's only got a year left on his contract. So it's a bit like Schlotterbeck, only got a year left on his contract. So you either sign the new contract and everybody backs off, or you don't sign the new contract and he's on the move this summer. Real Madrid are interested. How does that impact Manchester United? Well, we're not signing Rodri, but what we do know is that Manchester City want Elliot Anderson and potentially Tenali. Now, I think if Rodri stays, they still want Elliot Anderson because I think Elliot Anderson actually works better with a number six next to him.

19:08But if Rodri goes, I think that makes it doubly hard for us to get into a battle with Manchester City because if they lose Rodri, they're not going to want to miss out on their number one target. and I just keep an eye on that. It does indirectly impact Manchester United, what happens with Manchester City and Rodri. So if he stays at Man City, I still think they want Elliot Anderson. If he leaves Man City, I think they make sure they get Elliot Anderson. So look, it is interesting. And it also means if Rodri stays, do they want Tonali? Probably not. If Rodri goes, they might go for Tonali and Anderson.

19:49So very interested to see how that pans out, really, because we are entering those important weeks as well. Tech Empire says if Nagelsmann was the next Liverpool manager, people would be viewing him as the next Klopp. With United, he needs to be backed, which is highly unlikely with manager coming to us with intensity dropping. It's funny, I did a video last night about Nagelsmann and a little bit, you know, Nagelsmann versus Carrick. I looked at some of the comments and even though you do a video detailing why Nagelsmann would be the right guy for Man United, in my opinion, you still get people with their replies.

20:26And I've seen a lot of these replies. What's he ever done in football? He's done nothing with his career. Why would we go for Nagelsmann? He's done absolutely nothing. And you think, I literally spent three minutes detailing what he did. He kept Hoffenheim up. He put them in the Champions League. He went to Leipzig. He took them to a semi-final of the Champions League and finished second in the Bundesliga. He went to Bayern. He won the Bundesliga. He's won the German Cup. I think he's won it twice. He's now managing Germany in the World Cup. You can't just... There are better ways to say you don't want Nagelsmann and you want Carrick than what has he done with his career.

20:59Because, look, he's a German manager. He's not going to have managed in the Premier League, but the equivalent of what he did in Germany would be to take somebody like Crystal Palace and put them in the Champions League. It would be then to go and take Brighton and take them to the Champions League semi-final. And then it would be to manage Man City and win the league. That's what he's basically done in Germany. And now he'd be managing England. So if you want Carrick or you want somebody else, that's absolutely fine. But Nagelsmann has achieved a lot and he's not even 40 years of age. He has got a distinctive style of football as well.

21:36I mean, I was watching a clip with him and Ranyik last night. It was on, I think it was on Man United Forever or something like that. And they were just sat there discussing. You can see the video, actually. If I, I don't know, you can't do likes anymore, can you? But it was posted last night on Man United Forever on X. And it's Nagelsmann and Ranyik discussing the challenge of facing deep blocks. And they were stressing the need for clear attacking patterns to create chances. and I just thought it was absolutely captivating because it's like they were just it was it was Nagelsmann and Rangnick and they were basically there together discussing how you break down a low block and I was like for that reason alone give him a job because we can't we haven't we've not been able to break a low block for years but it then got me thinking oh my god how many years have we actually wasted?

22:30You know, a lot of us really like Favell and what he's doing at the club. But if we'd listened to Ranić three or four years ago, was it? It must be three. How many years ago was Ranić here? If Ten Hag did two and Amrim did one, is it three or is it four? If we'd listened to Ranić and we'd given him the director of football job, Favell would definitely be here. And Nagelsmann might have been here two years ago as well. So I think, you know, I stand by my opinion. I think the argument against Nagelsmann with some people is he doesn't know the club. He's not managed in the Premier League. What's he ever done in football?

23:12And I'm like, Jurgen Klopp, Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Ancelotti, Jose Mourinho, Conte, all these managers that didn't know the Premier League and came in and Arsene Wenger yeah you know this he doesn't know the Premier League and he doesn't know the club is just complete and utter nonsense come up with a better reason why you don't want Nagelsmann because he hasn't achieved anything in his career and he doesn't know Manchester United it doesn't wash it doesn't wash I think he's perfect for this football club I think the things he's done in his career the fact that he's still very young himself his tactical flexibility and acumen coupled with his ability to work at football clubs where you don't necessarily get everything you want and the ability to develop youth, I think he has an incredible CV and I think he's perfect for what Man United need.

24:09Whether United are clever enough to do it or not, nobody's going to move me away from the fact that I think Nagelsmann is the most exciting, realistic option out there. Obviously, Enrique would be the best option, but it sounds like that's pure fantasy. Hello, Mark. Thoughts on Mareska as our next coach? No. No. Not for me. I think it might be a little bit controversial, but I think I might take a risk on Carrick rather than Mareska. You see, I'm not totally against Carrick. I would take Carrick over De Zerbe. I would take Carrick over Glasner. I may take Carrick over Mareska. I don't want Carrick to get the job.

24:47I think there's better managers out there, but I'm not opposed to him getting the job if it's up against some shit I don't want. Karl, thank you very much. Welcome to the Members Club. No, he's gifted a membership, Karl. Absolute legend, you and having a laugh. La Familia says, why did he leave Bayern? He left Bayern because of a bit of a fallout. There was all sorts going on, but, I mean, he's managing Germany now, so it wasn't that significant. Probably, I mean, look, why did Amrim leave Man United? It wasn't results-based. um Gretzka could be a solid midfield option no too old Brandon let's not waste our time on you know we can't go outside the parameters that the club have set we're not going to buy a 31 year old from Bayern uh imagine Nagelsmann with Ralf and Favell above him says Grimm it would be it wouldn't be Grimm it would it won't be Grimm um anyway let's move on I've got a couple other bits I want to talk about this morning as well uh Bruno Fernandes has been named player of the month by the way for the premier league um i don't think it's officially come out but it did leak last night so uh congratulations to bruno also i saw this um that manchester united under favell are um really ramping up their um scouting in the south american market um and um favell is leading that recruitment drive obviously we've seen people like leon and orozco come in over the last 18 months and um they are looking to the you know highlight that sort of development again i think this was something that ten hog really really wanted to do um and if you look at ajax um lissandro martinez um alvarez uh there's a few players that they had anthony ajax were very good at the south american market i think brighton are pretty good at the south American market and look it's one of the few areas in the world where football is just still very much um you know I mean football is very very popular but in South America it's just it's very very popular and there is so much talent there and that's why they will always be the next Neymar or the next you know Messi coming out of there because football is is absolutely huge and it's definitely a market that United have neglected.

27:09So look, I like Favell. I like Favell a lot. I think he's on a different level to Wilcox. What I would say about Favell is it mainly is young talent that he's very good at. And you do need to strike that balance. But we should be looking at the South American market because the South American market tends to be young. You very rarely buy players from South America who are 25 or over. So that almost seems like a perfect fit for Favell to be opening new opportunities in South America because I think that as we've seen, there are historically some very good players there. Thank you very much for that as well.

27:52Also, this is just on the midfield. I saw this today. It was a comparison. People were going mad about this. So it was a comparison on at data MB on X between James Garner and Maney. And it was one of those graphs, not graphs, you know, them circle things where it compares them, you know. Remember when you used to play FIFA and you'd put one player next to the other and it would overlap their sort of pace and everything like that. You know, it's like a pointed, there's a circle and there's things around it like key passes, pace and this, that and the other. and they've got different heights of the thing and you overlay it.

28:32So they've done that basically. And the only thing that Maynou is slightly ahead of Garner on is forward passing and it's only very slightly and carrying the ball and it's only very slightly. But when it comes to, sorry, forward pass percentage and carrying of the ball, actual forward passes, James Garner plays more, key passes he plays more, progressive passes he plays way more jewels he wins way more and possession one he wins way more so look i think that you ain't heard about moto casino moto has real vegas slots any game you can find on the floor in vegas you can play it on moto i like my slots hot moto's free to play like food stems in line at the grocery store at a funeral in traffic keep your eyes on the road hop on moto casino moto casino got jackpots that are bigger than my belly moto america's hottest free-to-play social casino.

29:26Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casino is a social casino. We're prohibited. No purchase necessary. Visit Moto.us for more details. Moto Casino. America's social casino. I think there is a, I mentioned this yesterday, there's a bit of a movement around Mainu at the moment to discredit him and make out he's not that good. And when you go and you will always find a player that you compare to somebody else and it will make them look shit. I mean, there's a challenge for you over the Easter weekend. Could you find a player that you could do that to that's better than Bruno on lots of different things.

29:58You might struggle, but you can always find a bunch of stats that make somebody look a bit shit. In relation to Mainu, possession one and jewels and progressive passes are probably going to be low. In the position we want him to play, we probably want them to be high. However, we are still dealing with a player that probably two years ago was playing a little bit different than he is now and i would challenge anybody on that i think mainu two years ago going into those euros was a very different player to he is now so you've got to look at why that is what was it when you look back to mainu two years ago where he's winning his games in the last minute at molyneux and he's going to the world cup the euros with england what's the difference between mainu two years ago and mainu today somebody might say there isn't a difference but there in my mind there is i think he was more dynamic i think he was passing forward more i think he was winning more tackles this season he looks a little bit less dynamic a little bit slower and he's not quite that player could that be because he's had quite a disruptive season where he's only started playing again in january um could that be because psychologically it's been quite disruptive, even all the t-shirt stuff and everything like that.

31:23Lord Sky says it's because he's bulked up. Mr. Knight says it's because he had more confidence. These are all factors. But what I would say is we're about to hand him a new contract. This is a player that it's really important people don't start over-analyzing to a point where they're saying he's shit because we're about to hand him a new contract and he still is young enough to get back to where he was and go better than that. So whilst I do agree that, look, we can all see it, I don't think he's been electric in a Man United shirt this season. And he's definitely lacking where he was two years ago.

32:04But there's absolutely no reason why he can't get back there. And surely, I mean, look, he might be going to the World Cup. I mean, he's got a chance of going to the World Cup. So I think it's just too early. And it reminds me of Dorgu, where people were just writing him off and then suddenly he's everybody's favourite. So I think the most important thing for Mainu is to be part of the plans, which I think he is, to have a really good pre-season because he's still very young. And I think next season he'll probably be judged with more scrutiny. But I don't really see the pile on Mainu at all, to be honest with you.

32:39how much pressure do you think Nagelsmann would be under from the off if he got the job given how the media reacted to Tuka or taking England plus he'd be taking the job off Carrick and Englishman says Patrick Lynch um I don't I don't think he would and I don't think that's a reason not to give him the job Patrick I mean I think you raise a fair point but I don't think that's going to be a problem the problem the Man United cause problems for managers if you look at Eric Ten Hag, you look at Rieven Amirim, you give somebody a job and you almost throw them to the wolves and their job is actually to help and protect that manager.

33:15And I think United have always been very quiet in the background and not very vocal. The director of football never talks, the CEO never talks, the manager, and Mourinho said this, at Manchester United, you're the coach, you're the manager, you're the head of PR, you're the director of football and you're the chairman and you're the CEO because nobody actually does any leadership talks, nobody actually takes any responsibility you look at some clubs and the ceo and the sporting director talk quite regularly to the press especially the local press manganite don't do that so i think whoever the next manager is you the manganite job they don't the funny thing is they're such a bunch of hypocrites they don't want a manager they want a head coach but that head coach ends up i mean amrin was right Like you're apparently a head coach, but then they treat you, they make you do all the work of a manager.

34:06You know, you do every interview. You talk about stadiums, you talk about profit and loss, you talk about transfer targets. So if Nagelsmann got the job or Enrique got the job or even Carrick got the job, one of the best things Manchester United could do is create an environment where it's not just the manager exposed all the time. You know, it's part of a wider team of success. But I also think you massively underestimate Nagelsmann if you think he's going to be, he's going to struggle under pressure. Like the German national job is not, you know, any national jobs, you're under huge scrutiny, Bayern Munich as well.

34:47and also let's not forget not every foreign manager comes into the Premier League and the press dislike them. Pochettino massively liked and respected Pep Guardiola the same, Jurgen Klopp the same so I don't think that Nagelsmann would need to worry about the media reaction. If you bring a manager in like that you're clearly building a project that could go the way that Liverpool did when they brought Klopp in. And there are similarities. There are big similarities between Liverpool bringing Klopp in and Man United bringing Nagelsmann in. In fact, you could argue that Nagelsmann's CB is better and his style of football is on a par.

35:30So if I was Manchester United, I would look at not Sir Alex Ferguson's era because it's too long ago. You can't look at Sir Alex Ferguson. It happened in the 80s and the 90s. You've got to look at what's been successful in recent years and i still think in recent years the what the most impressive build back of a big club was liverpool with jürgen klopp because chelsea's and manchester cities was always about money arsenals hasn't actually come to fruition yet but the liverpool jürgen klopp thing i remember saying on this channel a few years ago i don't think i'll ever see liverpool win a title again in my lifetime they're just nowhere near it and then he went and did it.

36:07So I think that the most impressive, as much as I don't like it, the most impressive rebuild I've seen in the last decade was Liverpool with Klopp. I'd be looking at that if I was Man United. I really would. And also, also the Bundesliga is the closest thing to the Premier League in world football when it comes to speed, intensity. In fact, this season, the Bundesliga is quicker and balls in play more. But normally the Premier League is the quickest and most intense league in the world. It's just gone a bit stop-start and a bit bloody pragmatic this year. But the Bundesliga is quite close to the Premier League, more so than La Liga or the Eredivisie or the Portuguese league or the Italian league.

36:50We cannot rely on luck. Get me Nagelsmann, says Kiel Robinson. Thank you very much. That would be... Thank you very much for your super chat there. A couple other bits I want to talk about. We've done the Rodri thing. Oh, yes, this one as well. Also from Ben Jacobs yesterday. I just want to pick up on this. Man United, remember what I said? Remember what I said on Tuesday. Expect over the next few days, Manchester United to be linked to Jao Gomez in more credible ways. Well, it was Ben Jacobs yesterday and there's a couple of other people who've been talking about it in the last couple of days as well.

37:25Man United are considering Jao Gomez as a potential summer signing. He's already been monitored in January. Wolves weren't open to selling then. The plan appears to be phased midfield recruitment. United will first sign one midfielder, then target a complementary player who can play deeper whilst also progressing the ball forward. This profile is meant to suit Maynou. Gomez fits that deeper, progressive role well and is expected to be available at a more affordable price. It's very interesting that because there's a little bit more detail than we had on Tuesday. But I did say Jao Gomez and Man United is going to start becoming more and more concrete over the next few days.

38:04and it is becoming more and more concrete. Now, it might not please everybody, but it was good information and it's the same as Liam De Lape last year. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's good information and lo and behold, this is happening. I think the interesting thing there is Man United will go for one midfielder and then they'll go for a deeper midfielder. If Jao Gomez is the second midfielder, I'm not actually convinced that's the quality of summer Man United are meant to be having here. in my opinion the first two signings need to be extraordinary and then the third signing can be a gael gomez or a scott or a tyler adams or someone like that but it seems to me that we're sort of lurching towards two midfielders where the second midfielder is the quality of the third midfielder we need so we don't get two really good midfielders and a third midfielder we get one good midfielder and then a Jao Gomez as the second.

39:03And that's what's worrying me because I don't think that's enough. I heard Ben Jacobs yesterday saying Agate looks like he's going to be the fall guy of the Man United rebuild. But if Agate goes and Casemiro is gone, then you're left with Mainu. I just don't know what we're doing in the midfield that we can't figure this out. If Casemiro's gone and Agate's gone, you've only got Mainu. and if you buy two midfielders we've got six centre-backs next season for two positions but in the midfield we're going to have three for two six for two at centre-back three for two in the midfield and midfield's more demanding so I don't get the numbers that we've got and somebody in the chat just said and what if Mainu's not good enough as well I mean yeah we're all assuming that Mainu is the answer but even if Maynou and the two signings are decent, three midfielders is not enough.

39:58And don't start talking to me about we can play Bruno or Mount there. I mean, they are not midfielders in this system. Bruno is not a midfielder anyway, but at least in an Amrim system, he's got three centre-backs behind him. Bruno in a midfield two with two centre-backs behind him, you're having a bloody laugh. Maynou mounted a midfield two with two centre-backs behind him, you're having a bloody laugh. And it can't be a young player either. People talk about people like Thwaites. You can't bring a kid to be the fourth midfielder. You have a kid as the fifth midfielder where there's no pressure.

40:28So I think it's not just a nice to have, it's a must have that we need three midfielders. And I don't mind Jao Gomez as one of the three, but Jao Gomez is one of the two. What if he doesn't work? And what if Manu doesn't work? We're in trouble. We can't be left thin in the midfield. And even if we sign two midfielders, I think we're thin in the midfield. Daniel Thompson says, I hope Mark and United stand need to be bold. And instead of having the brakes on, get the best in all areas. We need to strive to be the best, become obsessed with being the best or we won't progress. Great show, says Daniel.

41:05Thank you very much, Daniel. And also just on that, if you do buy Jao Gomez, he's probably going to cost about 30 million pounds. If you do buy Schlatterbeck, he's probably going to cost about 30 million pounds. what incredible value that is to spend 60 million pounds get a left-footed centre-back who's fantastic and 26 and get a midfielder who's very good premier league proven and he's about 24 25 as well for 60 million quid we talk about quantity that would be an incredible bit of double business to spend 60 million pounds and get xiao gomez and schlatterbeck and then you've still got hopefully another couple of hundred million to get a couple of midfielders and a winger um but i can already tell that's not going to happen.

41:45I mean, three midfielders are going to cost you 150 million, probably. A decent winger is going to probably cost you another 60 million. So, and this, you know, that might be conservative. So 220 million is going to go on three midfielders and a winger, and you still need a left back and a centre back. You're going north of 300. So I already know that we're not going to get everything we need this summer. We're just not. Whether we only get two midfielders, whether we don't get a left back, whether we don't get a centre back, whether we don't get a winger, I think we'll be coming out at the end of August going we haven't actually got everything we want.

42:25I just can't see where the numbers are coming from for Manchester United to do that, really. And the question will be, where do we sacrifice and not do something? And I think, to be honest with you, centre back is probably where that's going to be. Yeah, we've done that. Thank you. Thanks for everyone who's tuning in this morning. let us know where you're watching from just as I quickly survey all my notes that I wanted to go through this morning interesting stuff about Lacey now being permanently training with the first team hopefully in the final few weeks of the season we'll get to see a little bit more of Lacey I mean Seb still talks about that when he hit the post wasn't it against Burnley inches away from iconic debut goal and it was so close but look he will get more minutes I guarantee you Carrick's going to give him more minutes and excited when that happens.

43:15A bit more about Louis Skelly. Yeah, I mean, it seems to me like the best update about Louis Skelly was probably the one Ben Jacobs mentioned yesterday, that if Man United did make a move for him, you'd have to significantly overpay for Arsenal to sell. I mean, I wouldn't pay a fair price for Louis Skelly, let alone overpay for him. I mean, to me, there are Premier League proven midfield, sorry there are Premier League proven left back options cheaper than him why would you overpay for somebody who's a big risk I mean Truffaut will be cheaper than Lewis Skelly and he's better Lewis Hall would probably not be that much more expensive than Lewis Skelly and he's miles better so the Lewis Skelly one for me it just needs to be put to bed and you know I'd need to move on from that because to me it just reads like it's another obsessive young player there's the sort of stuff Chelsea do and we shouldn't be following Chelsea as much as you know as we are really we don't we don't need to do that um right thanks everyone for watching this morning I hope you've had a fantastic morning so far day whatever you're doing um we I am back with you at eight o 'clock tonight eight o 'clock show live tonight obviously we'll react if anything else happens um and yes no no Bundesliga tonight um I don't know why there's no Friday night game uh tonight in the Bundesliga.

44:37I was checking that earlier. I was like, have we got Bundesliga tonight? And it's like, no, we haven't. Even though there are Bundesliga fixtures tomorrow, there is no Friday night game tonight, which is a little bit strange. But yeah, no Friday night Bundesliga tonight. So we'll be live here at eight o 'clock with the eight o 'clock show. Thanks everybody for watching. Absolute legends. Take care. Stay safe. And I'll speak to you on in a bit.

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