367: Carrick WANTS Rogers Transfer! Rooney MANAGER Demand! Man Utd Transfer News

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0:30Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United news and transfer news as Carrick wants Morgan Rodgers at Manchester United. We'll talk about that. Also, Kamavinga looking for a move to the Premier League. Could he be a midfielder that United should look at? Manu Kone's back in the equation. We've mentioned that name before. Agate could be heading to a Premier League club. We were meant to talk about this last night, but we didn't have time for it as well. Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen jumping on the Michael Carrick bandwagon. What are your thoughts about that?

1:02An eight-man clear-out for Manchester United. We'll talk about that as well. So loads and loads to get into today. But also, if you are looking for something to do this bank holiday evening, the Gold Devils will be taking on KSI's prime in Borla League tonight. It's around sort of eight o 'clock. I'll be live on my channel for that. We'll have a video here anyway, but support the Gold Devils tonight. In a footballing sense, this is like Manchester City against Brighton. They've bought all the good players prime. Some people think dodgy things are going on. The game changers are always the game changers that they're good at.

1:43It's David against Goliath, basically. And you should be supporting David or me. Yeah. Anyway, look, is this a pre-record? What's your obsession with it being a pre-record? Like, is this a pre-record? Is this a pre-record? No, it's not a bloody pre-record, is it? If it's a pre-record, it would be a pre-record and there would be no live chat or it would be a premiere with a countdown. Get with it, you stupid idiots. Right, let's get on with the show. Lots to get into today. Where do we start? Where do we start? Well, we're going to start off with this Morgan Rogers story that came up over the weekend.

2:19Now, look, you may well know that Morgan Rodgers actually broke out under Carrick at Middlesbrough before they sold him to Villa. So Manchester United again linked in with Morgan Rodgers this morning. If I can find the story for you. So Morgan Rodgers is open to a move away from Aston Villa this summer with Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United all interested in the England international. and not only that, Aston Villa feel that this may well be the summer to let Rodgers go with them looking for around£85 million. Numerous sources talking about this, not necessarily the best in the world.

3:00We've looking at Ekrem Kuna, a global transfer news expert, caught offside, has written for the BBC ESPN. But it was also, I think, in a UK outlet over the weekend. I think it might have been the mirror as well. So look, I think that there are, and we'll talk about Kamavinga in a moment as well. There are, well, we can talk about Kamavinga now. There are players that maybe aren't on United's definitive radar yet who can come onto their radar. There are also players that maybe aren't as glamorous as Adam Wharton or Elliot Anderson who have reluctant club sellers, but people want them to take them to the next level, out of Palace into a big club, out of Forest into a big club.

3:41But there will also be players like Kamavinga, etc., who maybe are at big clubs but aren't getting the game time they want so their agents are trying to sell them. So the transfer market is never going to be just as simple as there's a good player at a club that doesn't want to sell, we've got to get them out. There will be players that maybe want to get out and their clubs want to sell them as well. So I think maybe this could be the summer that Aston Villa look to move Morgan Rogers on? I mean, look, I know a lot of Villa fans and I don't live that far away from Villa Park. And I don't know that Villa would be looking to sell Morgan Rogers.

4:19And if they did, I think they would be looking for about£100 million, much the same as Newcastle will for Tonali. I also think at the moment, Aston Villa have a very good chance of getting Champions League football. However, they have had to do this for the last couple of summers. Jacob Ramsey to Newcastle wasn't a deal they really wanted to do, but they had to do the year before Douglas Luiz. So they do sometimes have to sell to comply, not sell to buy. So maybe there's something in that. I certainly think that with Morgan Rodgers, there's probably, if Michael Carrick gets the job, there's probably more chance of Man United going for Morgan Rodgers than Cole Palmer, who would be a lot more expensive.

4:59And Michael Carrick has worked with Morgan Rodgers before. He can also play off the left. He is a little bit more central, but he could also play off the left. And look, you know, who knows what scenario is going to happen if Bruno Fernandes does leave Manchester United, which I still think is very much 50-50, as much as we don't want it to be. I still think that that could happen. So would I sign Morgan Rodgers? I mean, for me, it's a no. I don't want to spend£100 million on a number 10 slash winger who is not really a specialist winger. But if Bruno Fernandes leaves, this becomes a different conversation.

5:32So I'm not going to disregard it and say, no, it's not a deal we want to do. It's not a deal we want to do because I don't want a number 10 for£100 million. But if Bruno Fernandes leaves, then this becomes more of a possibility. And that's an if I don't want us to be in, but we may not have control of that. I think Bruno Fernandes has control of that. So look, if Bruno Fernandes leaves, you've got to look at the best you can get. And I think Morgan Rodgers is a very good Premier League proven attacking midfielder. I think there are others, as we've mentioned, Cole Palmer before. But this would be seismic for Manchester United to lose Bruno.

6:08And I don't think any of us want to be considering that in early April. But if it happened, then maybe it could happen. And it wouldn't surprise me if Carrick got the job anyway. And it wouldn't surprise me if Bruno left, if Carrick pushed for Morgan Rodgers. You know, he's spoken glowingly about Manchester United before and what a great ground it is. So I don't think we have, I think we have another player if Bruno left in Morgan Rodgers who wants to come to Manchester United, the same as Mbuomo did and Kunja did. So look, it could happen. It's not as illogical or far-fetched as some people think.

6:40There are circumstances that make that happen, but I think it's Bruno has to leave and then you'd need Morgan Rodgers to say he wants to leave Villa and he wants to come to Man United and then you negotiate the deal. So, I mean, logically, it could happen, but hopefully it won't because I don't want Bruno to go. I mean, would anybody in this chat watching live or not let Bruno go to get Rodgers, who actually, let me just tell you his age profile, because I don't think he's actually that old. He's currently 23, only 23 still. So long career ahead of him. Maybe that's an interest. What's scary, says Bernie, with our first super chat of the show, is the owners operate on a tight budget but won't get creative with transfer options.

7:24Robert McCormack says, I like him a lot, but City didn't ever play him either. That's in relation to Morgan Rodgers, who obviously went from City to Middlesbrough to Villa. They didn't really play Cole Palmer, though, did they, Robert? So I suppose that sort of might dilute that. What I would say about Morgan Rodgers is he's a very different 10 to Bruno. know he's not possession based really he's more creative running at people is that what not kunya does you know uh uh nagel nagelsman um gomez fernandez diamonde truffet says mature by accident thank you very much pal and forza oman has gifted five memberships this morning so there we go membership gifting early on a morning show thank you very much religion says rob always united you certainly are, sir.

8:09The second player we're talking about this morning is Camavinga. So this has come out from Spanish reports that Camavinga is available for transfer this summer. He's on the market and Real Madrid are open to selling the French midfielder five years after his arrival. That's been a long five. It can't be five years. He can't have been at Real Madrid for five years. I remember that summer distinctively. I remember United being linked to him five years. The player is currently considering his future and is no longer untouchable at Real Madrid. It goes on to say that he would like to play in the Premier League.

8:43So look, does Camavinga become a midfield option for Manchester United? I mean, I think he's one of the few outside the Premier League that Man United would look at and go, ooh, that's a deal. Because I think United primarily do want to go Premier League proven. But I think Camavinga is somebody that's already locked into Manchester United's previous scouting network. And also it's a big name. Only 23 and surplus to requirements at Real Madrid can play defensive midfielder, can play left back, can play centre midfield as well. I mean, look, there is no doubt Camavinga is a decent player as Real Madrid.

9:21Why are Real Madrid looking to sell him is the main question. And there's a two, it's a two pronged attack on that. The main reasons that Real Madrid are looking to sell a 23 year old midfielder has actually got a very good reputation in the game is because they're looking for a midfield rebuild um Real Madrid are looking to spend big on their midfield this summer and Camavinga is surplus to requirements is that a red flag depends where you where it depends really I mean look Odegaard was moved on by Real Madrid um Casemiro was moved on by Real Madrid and he did do a good job for us especially in that first season.

9:58So we're not Real Madrid. So would I turn my nose up at taking Camavinga from Real Madrid because they don't want him anymore? Well, we're not Real Madrid. I saw something that since Sir Alex Ferguson retired, we've only qualified for the Champions League six times and we've only been into the knockout stage twice in 13 years. So we're not Real Madrid. We're not Bayern Munich. We're not PSG. So I always look at United as a ladder. I want to be at the top. I want to be competing with Real Madrid and the big clubs, but we're not just going to go there from where we are. We've got to do it in a climbing way.

10:35And maybe a Camavinga type of player does help us. I think the big thing is injury. How bad is his injury profile? And there are a lot of knee issues and hamstring issues, but they're never massively significant. I mean, he had a bad knee injury in November sort of 2023, which is over two years ago. And then we've had another knee injury in August, sort of August 24. Sorry, it was 2023. So yeah, just over two years ago. Another one, hamstring injuries, season before this. This season, he's predominantly been available. I mean, he had an ankle injury in August and then another ankle problem in December.

11:25And then he had toothache in March. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, look, there was a time. I mean, you've got to be very careful because there was a time where I would have said go nowhere near Diamande. Remember when Man United were going to sign Diamande? And we used to call him Dembelence and breadstick hamstrings. And there was a real movement not to go anywhere near Dembele. And I think you sometimes look at that and you go Dembele, you know, Ballon d 'Or winner, etc. So sometimes you get it wrong predicting injuries. And who are we to predict? I mean, Man United have bought Mason Mount.

12:04So I don't know that injury is necessarily a reason not to go for him. But I mean, look, it's another name to add into an equation that could get very, very difficult if we don't get Anderson. And as I said, I think we're not getting Tonali. We're not getting Bruno G. And if we don't get Anderson, I think you're looking at a very small pool of inexperienced players. And Kamavinga, when you think about it, if Kamavinga is available, what's he available for? And look at the profile of the player. I mean, am I not right in saying that many of us feel that we need some experience in that midfield with Casemiro going?

12:43and to go from Casemiro to Wharton or Casemiro to Belaba is a huge, huge risk based on experience. Casemiro to Camavinga. Camavinga's got plenty of experience playing in the French national team, the Champions League, Real Madrid. So there is that experience there, I suppose. But yeah, I mean, look, it's certainly a player to consider. And I think as well, like it's certainly like, It's not set in stone, I don't think, that the midfielder we get is Wharton, Anderson, Balaba, whoever else we've been linked to. There is nothing that changes a story like a breaking story. And what I mean by that is it may not happen to United that much anymore.

13:28I can't think where it did really happen recently because we knew about Cunha, we knew about Mbwemo, we knew about Jocharez, we knew about Sesko, we knew about Le Mans for a while. we've known about most of our transfers under Ineos which leads me to believe they're probably more you know they're probably worse at keeping secrets than than the Glazers when it comes to transfers but there has been signings in the past where they have been a little bit left field um you know you're not linked to them until you are um Yoro came out of the blue Agate came out of the blue a little bit at the start I mean once it happens obviously it feels like a long transfer But I'm thinking about, you know, there's a Narner at Villa.

14:09I mean, I'm not saying we're going to sign a Narner at Villa, but he's probably the tallest midfielder who is potentially available in the Premier League. Who's to say we don't pivot towards that at some point? We don't know. I mean, we think we know the players that we're going for. We don't necessarily know the players that we're going for. There might be some, you know, I mean, I'm still hopeful that a player that we've scouted a lot is Angelo Stiller. And we might, you know, that might become more prevalent over the next few weeks, I hope. I hope. A couple of other things on midfielders before we move on to a different area.

14:41So a few stories yesterday coming in about Agate. Manchester United have set a 40 million euro asking price for Manuel Agate, who is keen on a summer exit. Galatasaray, Newcastle and Aston Villa also monitoring his situation. I mean look I think if Man United can get 40 million euros for a Garte this summer and you have interest from Premier League clubs that would be a very agreeable situation because the money in football transfer windows is Premier League money. like if you're trying to sell a player and there's no premier league interest you've got a problem because the there's no other league other than saudi that has decent budgets so if there was interest from um a premier league club you're probably going to get a little bit more money i mean even these days even the bournemouths and the evertons have got you know can can spend 30 million so if we can get 40 million euros for agate i would be very surprised but i i agree with g uh z6e no one's paying 40 million pounds for agate i i can't i can't see that happening um i can't see that happening and and i do wonder with that story is that just based on what we can do in the sense of um book value because obviously agate has been here for two years we spent about 60 on him so his book value to break even is going to be about 40 million euros isn't it and i think that's a little bit convenient that apparently united are looking to sell him 40 million euros well you can be looking to sell something for a lot of money it doesn't mean someone's going to give it you I personally think Agathe will be alone I think we'll have to remove another year or two of his book value to sell him I don't think United will sell him cheap one thing about United is and we're not a club that does this is we don't we won't sell for a loss so if you buy a player for 60 million pounds on a four-year deal their book value comes down by 15 million every year because it's a four-year deal and a 60 million value, 60 divided by four, 15 million every year.

16:48So if we'd bought Agate for 60 and he's done two years, his book value is 30. So we need to sell him for 30 or more. Otherwise it goes down as a loss. If somebody gave us 20, United wouldn't take it. They'd be like, let's loan him for another year and we'll sell him next year when his value for the book would be 15. We won't sell the loss. I can't see anybody giving his book value for um ugarte i just can't i mean the value is just not there um i mean fair play if there's a club out there that think he's worth that but i gotta be honest i just don't think he's worth 34 million pounds 40 million euros i just i don't think he is and we can we can we can we can hope but i think he will be a loan deal where we have to remove a year of his book value to sell him maybe in a year's time.

17:35So yeah, I just can't see that. I can't see that happening at all, unfortunately. So yeah, I can't see Agate going for money. Galatasaray are interested. They can afford the wages, but I don't think they'll pay the money. And I think from Agate's point of view, you've got to get out and play football. He's just not. And the biggest, biggest issue Agate's got, and you can think what you like about these managers, is Ten Hag didn't fancy him, Amrim didn't fancy him, and Carrick doesn't fancy him. They just, none of them have given him sustained minutes in their teams, or they did and then took him out of the team.

18:15I mean, there was a time when Agate was ahead of Casemiro in Amrim's first couple of months, and that changed very, very quickly. So I just don't see him being sold this summer. And it's interesting because I'm sure you'll see a few articles this morning maybe a few videos from others about man united clear out and i just i will mention it here for a couple of minutes this cannot be a um glorification of united removing the deadwood i mean i saw i have to get the picture here um i i just i just i just i just i was just laughing at this really so it was i think it was in the mirror over the weekend i I might be wrong, but Man United are planning an eight-player clear-out as Sir Jim gets ruthless, OK?

19:03So the funny thing about the eight-player clear-out is that three of them are part of the bomb squad from last year. So straight away, it's a five-man clear-out because Rashford, Malassia and Sancho are in the eight-man clear-out, but they were part of the bomb squad last year. So you can't do that twice. Also, Rasmus is one of them who's not even playing here at the moment. So that's four players that really are, you know, it's not an eight man clear out, is it? Rasmus has already agreed a deal. Rashford was already part of the bomb squad with Sancho and Malassia last year. So half of them, it's a load of bloody PR.

19:36Then you've got Casemiro, who's not part of a clear out because he's decided to go. So that leaves three. Agate, who we've spoken about, Xerxi, who we're hearing might not go. And then Inanna, who we won't be clearing out because no one will buy him. So beware Man United's big clear out. We have never had a big clear out. A big clear out to me, just so I'm fair, would be looking at the first team squad and changing players that we actually use. I don't think it's a clear out when you're clearing out players you don't use. Surely a clear out is when you look at the team that you actually use and go, they're not good enough, we need to improve that.

20:18A clear out is not getting rid of stuff you don't use. Like, that's not going to make it... It's like stuff in your attic. Oh, I've had a massive clear out and you go around your mate's house and you think, oh, hopefully he's got rid of that old sofa and all that shit. It's still there. Where was the clear out? the stuff in the loft yeah what what the stuff nobody sees yeah i've had a massive clear out we a clear out to me would be removing people like you know i'm not saying they should go but i'm just giving an example of a clear out a clear out to me would be luke shaw um delo um mason mount um you know people like that people that actually take up spaces in our team and our bench that's a clear out you can't regurgitate and I'll guarantee you the press will be all over this is a mass clear out it's not a mass clear out to do a deal with Napoli for Hoyland that he did last year it's not a clear out to get rid of Rashford for a deal with Barcelona that he did last year it's not a clear out that Sancho's run his contract down or Casemiro's run his contract down it's not a clear out to get rid of Malassia that nobody wanted last year it's not a clear out to loan a Nana again is it I mean look look Agathe and Xerxes I admit are members of this first team squad and if they go okay but I still I don't think it's a proper clear out if we're being honest um Paul Govia I hope you're doing very well pal um he says I hope you're doing well as well with the PSR rules changing this year does the book value have the same relevance I don't know probably have to ask Ben Jacobs about that on Thursday but I can only work to the rules um you know to the rumors that we think Just before we talk about Carrick a little bit, I want to talk about Manu Kone.

21:58I don't know where it came from, but I got sent something last night about Manu Kone and Manchester United. I don't know whether Manu Kone and Man United have a link up this summer. But what I do know is, is that last summer, United did make roads in on Manu Kone. And he was a very, very, very big player of interest in August last year. We decided against doing it. But that recruitment team last summer is the same recruitment team as now. It's not like it was a previous recruitment team. So I would not rule out Manu Kone. Going to be 25 in May, plays for the French national team, currently at Roma.

22:47And contract wise, he has got contract till 2029. So he's not going to be cheap, but he is a player again that's not really been mentioned around Man United for a long time. but certainly I remember I remember telling you in August last year there's a player that Man United made moves on that I can't tell you who it is because the person who told me it didn't want me to say who it was and then we told you in the October when they were comfortable um so we were definitely definitely in in in advanced talks with um uh Kode uh last August whether we go back there or not I don't know I mean I like the player there's an element of risk bringing in a player from Europe, as we know, whether it's still a Camavinga or Kone.

23:32But he will make a move. He will go from Roma to a top club, maybe a top club in Italy, maybe a top club in Spain, maybe a top club in England, but he will make a move. And again, you know, he's probably going to go for around 40 to 50 million pounds. That's a lot cheaper than some of the players that we're looking at with Premier League experience. And I don't agree that Premier League experience is to be all and end all. I mean, are you telling me that Kamavinga or Manu Kone or Angelo Stiller can't be better than Baleba or Adam Wharton? Who knows? Daniel says, Bilal missed a masterclass tonight, Mark.

24:11Oh, mate, I hope so. David against Goliath. Check it out. We'll be live on Baller League tonight. What next do I want to talk to you about? OK, yeah, I know what I want to talk to you about next. So we had an incredible show last night. If you didn't watch the eight o 'clock show last night, please do. It really captured the essence of what the United Stand community has always been about. It wasn't led by anything massively topical. It was really a conversation about Man United are going to hold talks with managers imminently, hopefully this week. And Nagelsmann will surely be one of those managers because he's finished his international break now.

24:47He wants to speak to clubs about a return to domestic football. And Man United would be foolish not to speak to him. As part of that video, I explained why 100 % Nagelsmann would be my choice out of what's available at the moment. If Enrique is not available, then Nagelsmann would be my choice. Funnily enough, 80 % of people voted Nagelsmann over Carrick. However, in a balanced and fair process, you have to read both sides. And we've had another comment from Wayne Rooney about who he thinks should be Man United manager. And if I'm 100 % on Nagelsmann and you're 100 % on Nagelsmann, Michael Carrick, this is what Wayne Rooney said, 100 % he should get the job.

25:33I've said this I knew this was going to happen with Michael Carrick I know him very well I know his character his personality it needed a calm head but someone who knows the place and the players needed some love and he has given them that we've seen the players play with more quality more together as a team and they look like a very strong team for me why would you change it he has got the best winning percentage of any Man United manager after that many games for me he has to get the job I disagree I'm sorry I'm not going to change my mind on this. I think it's great that we've got a debate and obviously Rooney, legend of the club, very close with Michael Carrick.

26:11But I would sit and have the debate with him and say, look, I respect your opinion, respect mine. Like I do not want to go with an interim coach who has Steve Holland as his assistant coach, who I disagree with you. I do not think we've seen a team that's played with quality and togetherness. I think we've seen a team that's gone back to a back four and played in a system that they're very comfortable with that has ground out some very good results because you've got people like Casemiro, Bruno, Harry Maguire who are very good at set pieces and are very good at those moments in a game. I don't think we've played fluid football.

26:50I don't think we've played intense football. and I also think we're playing one game a week Wayne and I think to to take this interim period and say it's going to work for the next three years is much the same as saying that Ollie's interim period was going to work and it didn't um we're playing one game a week one game a week and we're getting two sometimes three weeks off um we're ridiculously fresh compared to teams that are playing two or three times a week. So I don't agree that you should take, and I think this is where I disagree. There's too many people taking this interim period and going, well, this'll work.

27:31And that just isn't football. Football doesn't work like that. You cannot take anything from an interim period and say that's going to work in a full-time situation. I don't think Michael Carrick is that naive that he'd actually admit that. If you don't realise that an interim period is completely and utterly fantasy false compared to the reality of being a full-time manager, you can't just look at an interim period and go, that's enough to get the job because so many clubs have failed doing that over the years. Go and research Roberto Di Matteo. Comes into Chelsea in February. They're on their arse.

28:09They're about to get knocked out of the Champions League. He wins an FA Cup and a Champions League. He wins Chelsea's first ever European Cup. They give him the job and he's sacked within a couple of months. So I don't believe in interim managers' runs. I don't think, oh look, he's won a load of games. Doesn't mean it'll happen when it happens. I think you've got to look at experience. I think you've got to look at style of play. I think you've got to look at what's going to happen next season and what your interim managers' experiences are of managing in the Premier League and the Champions League at the same time, of which Carrick's got zero experience, by the way.

28:47And Steve Holland's not done it for a long time. I mean, Steve Holland, before this job, was managing England for six years or eight years. So there's no experience of managing the Champions League and the Premier League at the same time in that dressing room, apart from as a player. So for me, it's no 100 % not at this time. Carrick deserves an interview, but he shouldn't be getting the job and you know what as well, you do need to watch the video last night because there is a debate and I do respect the fact that people like Rooney and other people want Carrick, of course I do, but what they're basically asking us to do and what I do not agree with as well is they're basically saying he should get the job.

29:27So I would pose the question to Rooney and co, are you saying you're giving him the job today? Like you're literally writing the contract Like you're saying, tell me what you want. Because that's incredible. It's fine that you want him to have the job, but you want to give him the job today. You don't want to interview anybody else. You just want to give him the job today. Because that's the impression I'm getting. They're saying, I think he should get the job. I 100 % think he should get the job. So you're not interviewing anybody else? I'd love to ask that question. You're not interviewing anybody else.

29:57You're just going to give it to Carrick. Because I think that's even worse. If you want to give it to Carrick at the end of the season when you've interviewed four or five candidates, fine. I'm not 100 % sure it's the right thing to do, but fine. But to say you'd give him the job now without interviewing anybody else, I mean, I think this is sometimes the problem of an ex-player. I think ex-players live in a dressing room in a bubble with people that they get on with, and they're very loyal to that. I think as fans, we have a more open approach to things and go, well, you can give him the job, but don't fucking just give it him like we gave it to Oli without interviewing anybody else.

30:33I mean, that's ridiculous. I mean, that's not best in class recruitment if you only interview one person, is it? So that's the scary thing for me, because Michael Owen, who I just don't listen to most of what he says. I think he's pretty dull. He said, I'd firmly be in the camp of Carrick keeping the job. But look, I don't have a massive issue with it. But for God's sake, are you really saying let's hand him the job without interviewing anybody else? I mean, we may as well not bother with Ineos if that's the case. Just a little bit more transfer news here. Borussia Dortmund are confident that Schlotterbeck will sign a new deal soon.

31:12No concrete moves yet from Liverpool or Manchester United, despite interest with his strong connection to fans, boosting renewal hopes. So, yeah, I think it's highly unlikely, highly unlikely. A few people just mentioned what about Harry Wilson out of contract at Fulham, attacking midfielder can play off the wing um do you think man united could make a move for him he's got 10 goals and six assists and 29 appearances in the premier league this season for fulham um harry wilson to manchester united um the fact that he's free sometimes might demonstrate a desire from manchester united to do something about it the fact that he's free of course but i also think the fact that he's 29 will close the door on that um so no i i genuinely think if you're over 26 you're not coming to manchester united simple as that um yeah

32:15i just don't think it'll happen uh to be honest with you

32:25Sorry, I've got a few comments to catch up on here, but I've just been sending some notes. I want to quickly read here.

32:37We spoke about Mania yesterday. Don't really need to talk about that. Do you think United will sign Diamande?

32:46So we're talking about Jan Diamande at Leipzig, the left winger that Man United want because they didn't get some NU. I mean, I wouldn't close the door on Somerville at West Ham if they get relegated. I mean, that's just a prediction. I haven't got any information on that. But Somerville is a winger. And, you know, he did very well against Manchester United. And if West Ham go down, there is a discount there. And he is an out-and-out winger, Somerville. He's more of a winger than Everton and Dia. And I think they will want a lot more money. So maybe Somerville would be somebody that Man United might look at.

33:23Let's be clear, though. If they go for Somerville, you're talking about option three or four again. And I do wonder about how many option three or fours Manchester United are going to go for. but with Jan Diamande I get the feeling that United really did want him really do want him and I think that they've put a lot of work in but we are dealing with RB Leipzig who are no mugs at all and it feels to me like Diamande may because he's only been at Leipzig for one year and they're going to be in the Champions League by the look of it I think it's almost in his interest and i can't remember how old yan diamonde is uh let me just double check on this

34:11what you're wearing tonight mark well i'm not wearing my black leather jacket and trousers um i've got to try and go for a new outfit tonight um he is i mean he's not going to be 20 until november yeah i i definitely get the feeling that diamonde if leipzig get champions league football will sign a new contract with a pay increase with a release clause for next summer um i think he might look at it and go will cup with ivory coast in the summer um come back to familiar surroundings have a second season with leipzig with a team he knows that's also going to play in the champions league the platforms there i i think he signs a new contract and stays at leipzig for another year yeah and to be honest with you I think it's probably the right choice for him as well as much as I was thinking United would get him I actually think it's the right choice for him to do two years at Leipzig knowing next year's in the Champions League I think he will do that I think there'll be an outrage if he doesn't get it says Robert McCormack Carrick I don't think there will be mate I really don't I think that when you actually look around I've got a bit of an observation for you here Where is all the Carrick noise coming from?

35:36There are some fans that want Carrick But it's mainly in the media It's ex-players and the media and journalists And you know there was a time 20 years ago Where that would be a landslide But we live in a world now where social media isn't owned by ex-players and journalists. And I think, I mean, look, we had a vote last night, Carrick or Nagelsmann, 80 % Nagelsmann. That's massive. But that's only our community, of course. But when I look on social media, I still see majority not wanting Carrick. I'd say there's about 30 % of our fan base that wants Carrick. And I think there's about 70 % that doesn't.

36:16But there's about 90 % of the media and ex-players that do. So I don't think there'll be an outrage if Carrick doesn't get it, Robert, because I think a lot of fans look at it and go, the football's not been that great. Steve Holland's quite boring. And we did this with Oli before. And it's a completely false reality in relation to what we're actually doing. And also a lot of people think a lot of the good teams have fell off this season and they'll be back next year. So I don't think there is a resounding give it to Carrick. I really don't. I think some people do respect, but I don't think it's as big as you think.

36:48And I actually think there's a lot of media noise because the club are trying to whip up a Carrick domination to give it him because he's cheap and free. It's in the club's interest that the fans want Carrick, but I don't think the fans do. I don't think the majority do. Marlowe says, a Norwegian research states a manager only counts 5 % of a club's results. The leadership and structure counts for 75%. So with the current leadership, it doesn't matter which manager we get. I think that's a very, very, very fair observation, Marlo. I really, really do. Go Gold Devils, says Matthew. Thank you very much.

37:26There will be outrage if somebody other than Enrique or Nagelsmann gets it, says Savage. Look, I think that's a great point by Robert. He says if we don't give it to Carrick, there'll be outrage, right? I'll give you another scenario, Robert, because we've lived it. You give it to Carrick. He has a bad start to the season and people are Carrick out by the end of September saying the club are fucking rubbish. Their board is stupid and they've done it again. And it's toxic. It's, you know, we're losing in the Champions League. We're not doing very well in the Premier League and it's an absolute shit show.

37:57I don't think people realise how quickly it will go wrong under Carrick if it goes wrong. Because under Oli, there was patience because we'd never done it before. But if you give it to Carrick and it goes wrong, people will go, we've done it again. We've literally done it again. We knew this was going to happen. The club is stupid. They've done the same thing again. They've fallen into the trap of an ex-player interim. It wasn't even playing great football. It was just results. And here we are. It's going wrong. They've messed up again. Glazer's out. Ineos out. Carrick out. It will turn so, so quick.

38:32I actually think going for a new manager, I think they'll get more patience than Carrick. I don't think Carrick will get any patience at all because I think it will be out of his hands if it goes wrong. If it goes wrong, he won't get the blame. The club will get the blame because it's just so identical to what we did before. We sack a manager. We go for an ex-player. They do quite well in a very simple system. We give him the job and then we go, that was a mistake. and yeah I think I think it could turn around very very quickly but look Robert if you want Carrick that's fine if I want Nagelsmann that's fine ultimately this is going to come down to the board they don't have any money in the bank they're on very thin ice if they get this wrong then you know they've put themselves in this position haven't they Robert says I'm undecided although I feel disloyal saying that I think if they give it someone else the pressure there be from everyone uh if he starts bad will be huge see i it's funny you've said that because i i completely disagree i think if you went with nagelsman there would be i think this fan base is intelligent enough to go it's a hard job um and he's gonna build something like he has done at leipzig and other clubs whereas i think if you give it carrick people will go this goes wrong we knew it we knew he wasn't up for the job it's down to the board so i actually think it'll go the other way but um but as i said last night what i don't like is a split fan base if we're gonna go for a manager i want a majority um i don't want to split because i think if you one thing we've not mentioned robert but we mentioned on the show last night if you've got half the fan base wanting carrick and let's say half the fan base wanting the goalsman the problem is the people that lose probably won't just go oh well i lost they'll be watching it with scrutiny and any little cracks like a water leaking out they'll be into those cracks and you know that they'll be going we made a mistake we made a mistake so i don't know how united deal with that because if you have a if you have a you know a race of 50 50 i personally think the carrot decision is already made i get the feeling he's got the job and they're just figuring out how to spin it i actually agree John I actually agree which is why I've been pushing that we have to interview other candidates because if they don't interview anybody if you don't interview anybody else then there's never a debate is there and I sort of agree with you John I don't think we're going to interview anybody else I think we're I think we're purposely killing off good candidates in relation to oh Tuchel signed for England Ancelotti won't leave Brazil um Enrique's about to soon to sign a new contract at PSG.

41:18And people will say, well, what's that got to do with United? Well, you're telling me if we didn't pick up the phone to Tuchel and offer him double what England are offering him, he would have come. You're telling me if we offer Enrique more than what PSG are offering him, he wouldn't come. It's convenient, isn't it? Oh, Tuchel signed a new contract for England. Enrique's signing a new contract for PSG. Ancelotti won't leave Brazil. Well, they won't leave if you're not going to offer them an incentive to leave. And I think A lot of that's happening at the moment. You only need Nagelsmann to say he's staying for Germany and we've got nowhere to go.

41:50So maybe that's, maybe John's right. Maybe United are just playing this on purpose to get to a point where there's nobody else and then they can give it to Carrick. But who's, is that good? Is that good that we give it to Carrick because the board aren't ambitious and have let every good candidate not come? I don't know. We have got Ballers League today. Yes, I'll be live on my channel just after five. It's a bank holiday in the UK today so it will be a big crowd tonight. It'll be a big game tonight. It's a tough one for us tonight. Massive underdogs but we'll give it everything we've got. Looking forward to it.

42:20Take a chance on the manager who plays attacking football. I'm sick of United being boring for over a decade as Manchester United. Do you think Carrick could come out of his safe and comfort zone and take more risky and brave decisions? Says Sally. Not with Steve Holland in charge. And that's something as well that these ex-players don't talk about. They're like Carrick, Carrick, Carrick, Carrick, but they won't talk about the style of play. They won't talk about the assistant coach. They're not interested in that. It's just Carrick, Carrick. I think a lot of it is because Carrick's a nice guy and it's their mate.

42:53And, you know, Rooney himself admits he's very close to Michael Carrick. I mean, can I just say, is Wayne Rooney going to say, I don't think Carrick should get the job? you know you know you know if Beth was going for a job and somebody else I didn't know was going for a job would you expect me to say well Beth shouldn't get it she's not experienced enough of course I'm gonna I'm gonna go I think Beth's proved herself I think she's very good at what she does I know her she'd be brilliant for the job so you know actually these ex-players I mean they're mates I ain't got a problem with it but they're mates I mean is Wayne Rooney or Michael Owen or Paul Scholes gonna say I don't think Michael should get the job I think he's a load of shit they're not gonna do it are they it's their mate if you're down the pub with your mates and you've got the saying them getting a job are you gonna say don't give him the job yeah of course they're gonna give him the job of course they're gonna give him the job um doesn't mean he can't do the job what I'm saying is there is obviously in my opinion a level of bias there because it's their mates and they want him to do well um i don't think that i'm i'm a man united fan i couldn't give a toss about bias mate rates and everything like that in fact a lot of the time that doesn't work um i think we need best in class if man united recruit best in class i'm comfortable because if they recruit best in class i know who it won't be um and they're meant to be recruiting best in class so don't lie to us go and recruit best in class because if they recruit best in class i know i'll be half it happy um after carrick's results says rainfall uh if a new manager doesn't start well you might be patient but the fans and media won't the club needs to pick and back their man i don't i disagree with you rainfall i really do um i don't think there's many Man United fans who are stupid enough to think that this run of games that we've had at the end of this season are in any way relevant to the start of next season when everybody's had a proper transfer window and we're playing twice a week I think I don't think anybody's thinking that this form and this situation will be the same at the start of next season there will be some fans like that because they're not very clever but the start of next season if it's carrick cannot be compared to the end of this season it's not fair on him it's a completely different season and in completely different circumstances um which is why for me these results shouldn't be over olie won his first eight games if you've got to look at the situation um thanks everyone for watching.

45:46Don't forget to watch Border League later on. And I will speak to you later. Take care.