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0:31Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and some big, exciting transfer news around Manchester United this morning involving Angelo Stiller. Now this is a player that I and some of you are really, really keen on. It links into Favell and there's some big updates coming in from Germany overnight about Manchester United's interest still being there. I think this is a real positive because maybe maybe Elliot Anderson, as per last night's show, could be heading towards Manchester City. And maybe we're not going to go anywhere near Tenali and Bruno G, which I think is a mistake in relation to all three.

1:05And if you're then left with the Belabers and Whartons of this world, with all due respect, I would like Angelo Stiller to be coming into that argument, because I do think there's a case to say that Stiller is better than Wharton and certainly better than Belaber. So we'll talk about that. Also, we'll be talking about Man United in the Champions League. Arsenal's win last night basically gives the coefficients ranking points that 99, I think basically fifth place is Champions League football now after Arsenal's win last night. And everyone wants Arsenal to lose. But that win last night actually means that fifth place is a Champions League spot in the Premier League this season, which means Manchester United in third place have a huge, huge, huge likelihood of being in the Champions League next year.

1:51In fact, somebody I don't know how I don't know how this actually works. I mean, we'll talk about the Stilla thing in a moment, but I don't know how this actually works. I'd probably have to do some visual representation here. But there was somebody saying this morning now that there's a 95 % chance that Manchester United will be in the Champions League next year. Now, 95 % sounds very, very high, but we have got 55 points and sixth place have got seven points. So I don't know how it's 95 % because that's seven games to go with a seven-point gap. And if Chelsea beat us, that would be down to four points.

2:23I mean, look, I don't know why it's 95%, but we will take it from me. I've said for a long time, we're not sponsored by Boohoo, man. I don't know why that's come up. Bit of bonus there. But I do, I've said for a long time, I think we'll be in the Champions League. So that's a bit of positive news as well. Also, apparently Harry Maguire turned down the MLS and Napoli to stay at Man United. I mean, I don't know whether I'm meant to be grateful for that. I think Man United should have moved him on. So, you know, the fact that Maguire snubbed clubs to stay at Man United, I mean, does that make it better or worse?

2:57I think United should have been in control of that. Not Harry, with all due respect, but he is staying now. So hopefully he can stay and be as good as he has been this season. And a little bit about Carrick and the players. There's something this morning coming out that the players may be involved in the decision to keep Michael Carrick as manager, which, again, is incredible. But look, we're going to start off with this Stiller story. Now, if you don't know anything about Angelo Stiller, where have you been? Very, very talented midfielder. Placed for Stuttgart. He's currently 25. He's just turned 25 last week.

3:36So right in the area that I think is an area that Manchester United should be looking at. I think we should be looking at Tenali at 26. I think we should be looking at Bruno Gimenez. and I think we should be looking at Stille. I mean, most of the midfielders that we're looking at are in their early 20s. Stille with Stuttgart having a fantastic season. They're in the Champions League race, which is incredible for Stuttgart. He is their talisman. He plays in the midfield. Very much like a midfield Bruno, really. Not an attacking midfielder, but definitely the guy that takes the free kicks, takes the corners, is the conductor of that team, but more in a midfield sense, not as a number 10.

4:15So I think he's left footed as well. But I've always wanted Stilla, says Timmy. Yeah, I just think there's something I very rarely do this, but I did it with Bruno. I sort of got obsessed with how good I thought Bruno would be in the Premier League, specifically at Man United. And so it came to pass. And I feel with Stilla, whilst players can flop from the Bundesliga and they can flop from Europe, I do feel like this player will move. And if he moves, he will not go to somebody like Napoli or Brighton. He will go to somebody like Bayern or Man United, maybe even Real Madrid. I think he is good enough to go to the top level.

4:57And I think United would be foolish not to try and do this deal. And we know that Favell will want to do this deal because he knows the Bundesliga very, very well. So it's whether he can get listened to over Wilcox and co, who clearly, if they had a choice between Stille and Belaber, would go for Belaber. But this is what Florian Plettenberg had to say. Pletigold on X, obviously based in Germany. German journalist says, as revealed in March 2025 and confirmed again, Stuttgart can buy out Stille's release clause up to 40 million euros at any time for 2 million euros. So price comes into this. Stiller has a release clause of£35 million, which is just cheap as chips.

5:39But Stuttgart can pay Stiller€2 million to buy out the release clause. Stiller cannot reject that buyout and he would receive the payout immediately. and his contract, which runs till 2028, would remain unchanged. Only the clause is removed. After that, his transfer fee would be freely negotiable and he would be allowed to leave the club if a top offer arrives. Premier League clubs are interested. So that's the latest around Stille. However, Ekrem Kunar, who has come out, who writes for numerous outlets, saying that Manchester United are in the race for Stuttgart midfielder Angelo Stille. The Bundesliga club are planning to demand around 65 million euros for their star.

6:26So look, effectively, what you've got is you've got the interest of Manchester United, which has been there but has gone quiet. But you've also got this price. And I think that the release clause from Stuttgart's point of view is a no brainer. Like it's an absolute no brainer. He has a 35 million release clause, but you can give him 2 million to get rid of the release clause. Well, you're going to do that, aren't you? Because if you get rid of the release clause and you're selling for 50, that's 15 million more than 35 and you've given two to Stiller. So that's going to get removed. I can't see that being there.

7:05Having said that, I still think with two years left on his contract at 25 and a Bundesliga side, you're probably still going to get him for about 50 million, maybe even a little bit cheaper, maybe even 50 million euro. so I still think it's a fantastic deal if you've done your scouting on Stiller to get him for under 50 million pounds I still think that's an incredibly good deal when you consider Wharton will cost you nor and Wharton's price goes up the minute the minute what people don't realize is the minute Anderson signs for Man City if he signs for Man City the price of Tonali and Wharton goes up because the market becomes smaller.

7:48So Wharton's price, I don't think it's, I think that goes up. So, and I think, I think Belayba will certainly be somebody that is going to, you know, Brighton are going to ask for more than 50. They might even go, I mean, I think with Belayba and we're not here to talk about Belayba I genuinely find it fascinating if we sign him what we pay because I mean get in the comments I'm not going to run a poll on this but Belayba if we're all being completely and utterly honest I would say 40 million with a straight face I would say 40 million pounds for Belayba because all you're really selling me is a player that had a really good debut season and then his second season's been trash.

8:44Well, that's, you know, tell me players over Premier League history that have had, you know, what about Michu at Swansea? Who remembers him? He didn't just have a good season. He had a bloody FPL legend season, Michu, at Swansea. He was absolutely incredible for one season and then he was shit. So tell me players that have had amazing seasons and then fell off a cliff. And Balaba didn't have an amazing season. He had an interestingly good, exciting season. And then that was it. So, you know, the justification for Brighton to charge over 50 is hilarious. But I actually genuinely think Man United, if we buy Belaber, will go north of 50 million.

9:26We might even go north of 60. I don't. I mean, I agree with Jacob. He says United will pay 60 million. I genuinely don't think he's worth more than 40. you can't you can't sell a 22 year old on on a good season the season before last so i think belabor for me is a 40 million pound player max maybe 45 um but united would probably go north of 50 maybe even 60 so i think stiller for 45 to 50 million pounds who is an established 25 year old german international who you know there will be a lot of interest from other clubs and the most important thing about Stiller is is that if you profile him properly he basically is a midfielder that conducts the game plays a ridiculous amount of forward passes can tackle literally is a midfielder so he's not a number 10 you could play Stiller in the same team as Bruno Fernandes the issue you've probably got with Stiller the issue you've probably got with Stiller is that he plays where Manu plays he would play left side midfield and he would need somebody next to him with a little bit more physicality.

10:34So I think that that might be the barrier here as well. It might not just be Wilcox and co saying we want to go for British Premier League proven players, not British, but Premier League proven players like Baleba and Wharton. I think also Stilla probably plays where Maynou plays. And I think that is the barrier because Man United want Maynou. And, you know, I don't have an issue with that. but as I said to you last night, Man United need four midfielders so even if Maynou is your player, why would you not buy Stille to compete with Maynou anyway? I mean, who's Maynou's competition? It has to have competition, what if he gets injured, what if he plays badly so I think Stille makes a lot of sense I mean, look, this is speculative, but I would say Favell is all over pushing for this deal and look we've had that we've not we we have this uh premier league obsession we have to buy premier league proven but sesco came from leipzig diamonde's at leipzig um there's plenty of players that have come in outside the premier league and been very good especially people like rodri so i think it's about your scouting i think it's about the quality of the player and i also think there's a profile of player that man united need to sign because we severely lack leaders i think when you buy Mbuermo or you buy Cunha.

11:55You buy their talisman. You know, Cunha was Wolves' talisman last year. That talisman means the guy, you know, the guy that gets that team wins and stuff. Therefore, they're leaders. Same with Mbuermo at Brighton, Brentford. Again, a talisman for them, a big player for them. Stiller is exactly that for Stuttgart. Exactly that. Tenali is exactly that for Newcastle. Anderson is exactly that for Nottingham Forest. So I think whatever players Man United go for, you also want to go for the player that is at the club that you're buying from and is one of their key players because that is leadership.

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13:10I think that we have to be in the market for good players. We might not get them. it's Manchester United and if Anderson is going to Man City and we're not going to sign Tonali then we should be bringing Stiller into the equation now whether I would have gone Stiller ahead of Anderson and Tonali I probably wouldn't to be fair I'd love to sign Tonali and Stiller I'd love to sign Anderson and Stiller I think in fact I think I said months ago Anderson and Stiller were my chosen two so if Tonali and Anderson are off then Stiller and Wharton would do absolutely fine for me. But mentality monsters, as John Lambert says, it's really important.

13:49And I think that Taylor makes a great point with the super chat. It's still not what Amrim wanted Bruno to be. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think Stiller has a lot of Bruno's attributes in relation to forward passing and creativity, but it's more measured. It's less erratic because Bruno's a 10 and Stiller's a midfielder. So also Stiller is defensively more disciplined than Bruno. So yeah, I mean, look, Hold your horses. Bruno Fernandes in the midfield couldn't stand it. But a lot of his assists, they didn't, you know, Bruno Fernandes could break the Premier League assist record. I don't know the percentage, but I'd say over 50 % of his assists happened under Amrim when he was in the midfield.

14:29So you can play in the midfield and be ridiculously creative. I think Bruno's problem in the midfield is that he was positionally indisciplined and defensively naive because that's not his position and he didn't really understand it. so I think with someone like Stiller you could have that as well I mean obviously I think they're looking to get it with Maynou but I think I also think price-wise as well if the worst case scenario happens and Anderson goes to Man City you probably would look at it and go that's really disappointing but let's get Stiller and another player for 100 million pounds so you could make it work I mean look we're gonna have to make it work if we don't get Anderson I don't like that scenario I'll be very critical of the board again if we don't get Tonali or Anderson because I think they are clearly the two best options out there to replace Casemiro if we don't get those two players you're down to option three four five again and that's not good enough from a recruitment perspective but you have to deal with the reality and then that reality I think still has to come into the equation um I still think you need three midfielders in fact if you don't get Anderson or Tonali I think you need three midfielders more than two even more because you're not getting your plan A and B but I think we need three midfielders anyway so I'm hoping and you know what it's quite rare to say this about Manchester United but I do have this belief and confidence that we don't know all the midfield targets that we're looking at and what I mean by that is I think if you listen to the media and a lot of the fan conversation there is this belief that it's Anderson, Wharton, And Belaba, they seem to be the three midfielders and maybe Gio Gomez.

16:13And Gio Gomez is legit, as we were talking about last week. But I personally do think Stiller is in there. I think Manu Kony is in there. I do think someone like James Garner could be in there as well. I think there are midfielders that we could move for. And that always excites me because life's a bit boring when you know what's going to happen. And United have done it in the past. you know when we went into the summer transfer window um this time last year we didn't we had no idea we were going to sign Mbuomo we didn't know we were going for Mbuomo until the end of May so we're only in around sort of early April here we can't predict the players that we're going to sign in the summer we have a bit of an idea but we might be working on a couple of deals that they're going to come out in May they're going to come out next week so I'm hopeful that not every midfield target is known to us.

17:09And I'm hoping that this still a story can develop because I think if we weren't in a situation where we had people like Favella at the club, I'd probably sit here and say, there's no way we're going to be negotiating with a Bundesliga side like Stuttgart. But I think when you've got someone like Favella in the club, you could be negotiating with anyone, Monaco, Sporting, Napoli, Valencia. You just don't know because his his his radar is worldwide and that you know that euro signing didn't feel like the sort of signing united would have made three or four years ago um especially with real madrid being the favorites and i think having someone like favel means that anything is possible so look it's early days on stiller but let's hope it is going to develop into something because i think he's i think he's absolute and i understand a lot of people won't know a lot about him I'll put my hands up most of my knowledge around him is because on That's Football we've had Bundesliga footage all season and as part of that I get loads and loads and loads and loads of stuff sent to me because we've got access to highlights and all sorts of stuff which is why I enjoyed watching Bayern last night I think it was a wake up call to a lot of people last night about how good Bayern Munich are I fully expect them to win the Champions League if they stay in form and I think Stille is a really interesting profile of player.

18:31I think Diamonde is as well. I think there are other players in that league, but Stilla would be the number one midfielder I would go for in that league. I think he's a really interesting player and I think he's a leader. And I think also he reminds me of Bruno in the sense that he's ready to take that step. He's not 21. He's not 23. He's 25. is at that age where it's like his next move is the move. So if he went to Real Madrid, it's the move. If he went to Barcelona, it's the move. If he goes to Bayern Munich, it's the move. If he comes to Man United, it's the move. And I think it fits in with Kunia and Mbwemo.

19:11And if we can get him... Look, I believe, tell me if I'm wrong, I think Mbwemo and Kunia have had bad games. But overall, I think they've been real assets to this team because if you compare Embuermo and Cunha to Rashford and Ganacho and Anthony, they are better players because they are more experienced, they are more hungry. They've had bad games, but I think they've been good signings. I don't know why Man United wouldn't look at that and go, Embuermo and Cunha coming into this team at 25-26 have instantly come into that team with experience and leadership to a certain extent. Let's do that in the midfield as well.

19:53but it seems like we're going for young kids in the midfield but actually i'd be going well it's really worked with embermo and kunya they've hit the ground running so let's do it in the midfield as well and i don't know why we're not thinking about buying two 25 year olds in the midfield because it's literally worked for us in the attack and menu is young and sesko is young so i'd be surrounding menu with a couple of 25 year olds because i think that's that's the way to go and give us a little bit more experience in there Amit says option two Stiller, Wharton and Jao Gomez it is I mean I wouldn't mind that Because you get three midfielders James Cave says Is Stiller a similar profile to Wharton I'd guess the club see him as a backup option I'd like to see Gomez come in As I think his mentality is right Says James I mean I've got nothing to add about Jao Gomez Other than I told you last week There's legitimate interest and talks with Jao Gomez And I wouldn't be surprised If that really started to ramp up the minute Wolves got relegated.

20:51But I think he's definitely of interest. I don't think Wharton and Stiller are very similar at all. I really don't. I think Stiller is way more expressive in his attacking game. I think his forward passes, he's one of the best in Europe for it. He's more like Elliot Anderson than Wharton, to be honest, because I think he's more all-rounder. Stiller, Belaiba, Gomez seems realistic, says Kiel. what do you think of still a gomez and fernandez i don't mind that combo either jerry um s rank says 65 million anderson stuff from last night remember mccallist had 100 million rumors before joining liverpool for 35 so i'm assuming similar things here yeah i mean look if you didn't see the show last night we were a little bit early which we will be tonight it'll be a seven o 'clock show because it's psg liverpool but um yeah interesting story last night we predominantly spoke about it uh on the show last night like i say but the one interesting point is and s rank is right is that there was talk of a 65 million pounds deal now if stiller goes for less than 70 sorry less than 80 then ben jacobs was right whatever he said in november was right um and he said well i know what he said he said anderson will go for considerably less than 80 million pounds so there's something there um there is definitely something in his contract but i don't think that as i said last night i don't think that necessarily helps us because as we know with man city they're probably willing to pay 100 million pounds for anderson so if they've only got to give 65 or 70 to um um forest they'll still have 30 there to go you can have that in wages and signing on fees so in a way i don't know how you beat man city financially really i don't know how you do it um lee burman says he might have a champions league clause yes there's some that there's there's there's something that's quite prevalent in modern football which is not a release clause like still has a release clause at the moment which is 35 million pounds obviously stuttgart can pay him money and get rid of that release clause which i'm sure they will but a lot of players in the Premier League now, if you sign for somebody and you think about when they always said the clause will be if a Champions League club bids for you, you can go for 70 million.

23:13I reckon that might be what's in Anderson's contract or something similar. And everybody in this chat's going to go, why were Forrest so stupid to put a 70 million pound, you can go to a Champions League club clause in Anderson's contract. But think about it, right? When Anderson leaves Newcastle to go to Nottingham Forest, he is not the Elliot Anderson he is a few years later and he's not playing for England. So there may well be competition for him as well. So Elliot Anderson might have an offer from another club. So Forest say, look, we really, really want you. And if things go really well, we're willing to put a clause in that if a Champions League club offers over£65 million for you, as long as you've been here for two years, you can go.

24:05It seems silly today, but if you think about it when they signed in from Newcastle, if they've got competition from, let's say, I don't know, Fulham or Everton and Forrest go, well, look, we will allow you to go for£65 million in two years' time if a Champions League club offers us that. In their head, they might be going, what are the chances that this player that we get from Newcastle is going to become one of the hottest prospects in European football? And in any case, Forrest might square it off with double our money anyway. So these clauses always seem ridiculous now when the player has fulfilled that incredible potential.

24:51But at the time, people will do things to get deals over the line. And look, I don't know. I might be speculating there, but that might be the reason behind it. Belieber Gomez, left wing, left back, unhappy summer incoming. It's a Stratford signal. That would be a crap summer, wouldn't it? If Stila comes in, who would be good with him if no Anderson? Do you think Gomez or Belieber? Do we still need a serious number six? Well, I think Damien, anytime anybody mentions the word serious and Belaber, I take a deep breath because I just do not think Belaber is a realistic, well, he is realistic. I don't think he's a serious option.

25:28If we can't get Anderson and we can't get Tonali and you get Stiller, I would get Wharton and Gomez. I think that's the three I would go for. I do like Fernandes at West Ham as well. So there's four options there. I like James Garner. There's five. I mean, Belaber still won't get on any of my top 10 list, even if we don't get Anderson and Tonali. Don't forget that Stuttgart asked for 100 million for Voltameda. I think they would do the same, but maybe around 80 to 90, says Bjorn. Yeah, but also I think that there's a different situation with Volta Maeda and Stille because Volta Maeda is obviously at Newcastle.

26:02He was at Stuttgart and they had interest from Bayern Munich. They had an offer from Bayern Munich. He was a young striker with huge potential. Newcastle were desperate. It happened right at the end of the window. So Stuttgart did take Newcastle for a lot of money. It's not normal, really, for Bundesliga teams to be getting 60, 70, 80 million pounds for a player. Also, Stille has been a very loyal servant to Stuttgart. He has only got two years left on his contract. He does have a release clause, which they're going to obviously pay him off for. So I don't see Stille going for north for 50. I really don't.

26:44And I still think that's ridiculously good value in the modern market to get players 25, one of the best midfielders outside of the Premier League for 50 million pounds. So I don't see it being massive amounts of money, to be honest. In my experience of the Bundesliga, I don't think it will be. Hi, Mark. Happy birthday. Well done for Monday's win because of the Borla League. Does it mean no watch along against Leeds this Monday then? No, no, no. Man United takes the priority, mate. I will be watching my baller league team from this studio and doing the Man United game here. So no, Man United takes that contractually.

27:23Man United, my terms, takes priority. So, yeah, definitely will be here for the Man United watch along. I just hope my team can win without me. It's like having a match ban. City continuously bend us over, says Simon. It's beyond humiliating. Sick of it. we're never catching them under these owners happy belated birthday legends says simon thank you very much for that um amit says yearning for them lot anderson and stiller as two midfielders jack says tonali jiao gomez and stiller best for the budget uh says jack and sudindrin says would you buy murillo from forest i think he would pair up brilliant with martinez next season and definitely an upgrade from maguire and more so because forest may get relegated um i think look what I would say about this and it came out this morning from Luckhurst that Harry Maguire snubbed a mega money move to David Beckham's into Miami to sign a one year contract extension at Man United he wants to stay at United for another year at least he also rejected Napoli to remain at the club where he wants to finish his career with I mean look this is great if you're really happy that Man United have given Harry Maguire a new contract then this is music to your ears He snubbed MLS and he snubbed Napoli and he probably snubbed a couple of Premier League clubs.

28:44I completely expect that did happen and I would fully believe it to be true because Harry Maguire out of contract probably could play in the Italian league very easily because it's slower and he could definitely play in the MLS. So I absolutely do agree that he probably has turned things down. But what I would say is Murillo would have been a brilliant signing for Manchester United. He's in his early 20s. He's Premier League proven. He's one of the best centre-backs outside the top four. And he's probably going to move this summer to Liverpool or Arsenal, whereas we're going to keep Harry Maguire for another year.

29:23It lacks ambition. it's not critical of Harry it's not negative it lacks ambition in my opinion it's like let's keep a 33 year old for another year instead of bringing in somebody better who will be here for the next five that's how you you know that's this is my point and some people just can't do nuance like I'm happy for Harry Maguire he's had he has played well for us the last two years and I'm pleased for him I'd say it to his face I'm pleased for you you don't need to get angry about it stop getting angry about it pick a card I'm really pleased for you but understand my point as a Man United fan I'm not team Harry Maguire I don't do agendas I'm Manchester United I don't think Harry keeping you at 33 to play in a back four is ambitious as buying one of the better centre-backs in the Premier League who's in his early 20s for the next five years I've still got to replace you in a year, so you're a stopgap.

30:23We're meant to be building a team that can win the league and we're keeping you for another year. I wouldn't have kept Casemiro for another year. I wouldn't keep Luke Shaw for another year. We need to move on. Man City have won multiple titles over the last few years because they get rid of De Bruyne. They get rid of Kyle Walker. We'd probably sign De Bruyne and Kyle Walker if we could. So I think it lacks ambition, keeping Maguire, and I won't be moved on that. Doesn't mean he's not playing well for us. and he definitely should go to the World Cup and he may play well for his next season but I think it lacks ambition.

30:53I think there are good centre-backs out there and I think this is nothing to do with anything apart from money because that's how this football club is. This is Harry Maguire's on 190 grand a week. They've probably reduced his wage by 50. He's probably on 125 grand a week now which is a lot for a 33-year-old centre-back by the way but I bet he's on about 125 grand a week now. So we've reduced it by, let's say, 60 grand a week, which saves the club a quarter of a million a month, which over a year is, what, three million. So you save yourself three million and don't buy a centre-back. And that's what they'll have done.

31:33It lacks ambition. It lacks ambition, in my opinion. a proper football club would remove Casemiro and Maguire and bring in Murillo and Anderson or Tonali and Schlotterbeck. That's what a proper football club does that hasn't been near a Premier League title in 13 years. A proper football club goes and buys players to win league titles in the next two or three years. Man United retain people to save money and then repackage it as he snubbed Napoli and everything else. Liverpool signed Sabaz Life for£70 million from Leipzig and he's done wonders the problem is building on the players potential in this case Stiller and currently it's the area we failed miserably in says Jib91 Zile says it's enough with the PR we need a midfield that can actually control again sack the board Jason's smelly socks okay Sir P says the Maguire thing is smart because we don't have the funds to fix it all in one window I get where you're coming from but we need to be realistic no I don't I mean, that's a great comment.

32:35You've just basically explained what we've done with Maguire, but it's not smart. But you have explained it. We're keeping Maguire because we can't solve our problems in one window, and that's the realistic situation. If you accept that realism, you can call it smart. I don't expect that realism. Well, Manchester United, let me reinterpret what you've said. It's smart to keep Maguire because we don't have enough funds to solve everything in one window. What, like last season where we didn't solve the midfielder problem or the year before where we didn't solve the midfielder problem or the year before that where we didn't solve the winger problem.

33:08Like every year we don't solve the problems. So I don't think it's smart to keep Maguire and Shaw and everybody else. I think it lacks ambition. I don't think it's smart that one of the richest clubs in the world can't solve their problems every transfer window because they don't have the money. That's because the Glazers plunged us into debt. That's not smart. That's criminal. So don't ever try and explain to me that Man United are acting smart. The reason we can't solve our problems every summer is because we're ladled with debt and we can't do it. But, you know, Arsenal can go and buy an entire bench last summer.

33:48Man City can spend over£100 million in January. Liverpool can spend nearly half a billion in one summer. But Man United can't buy players we need to buy. And that's smart. It's not smart, is it? It's debt. And who gave us the debt? The owners. So you can't attribute the word smart to this ownership, but fair play to them that they actually have influenced a proportion of our fan base that think it is smart business. I've seen clips of people walking around saying it's smart business. I mean, there must be an echo in their head if they think it's smart. It's not smart. We're a victim of circumstances where the owners have put us into debt and we have to do things like this.

34:27It's not smart, is it? There's a reason for it. it's realistic, but it's not smart. It's because we're in debt. Would the Chargers overhanging City not affect incoming players' decision in joining them? Surely that's an advantage we have for Andersons, says Matt. No, no. I mean, Matt, you've given us a super chat, so I respect and will answer your question. But we have answered this multiple times. The Chargers hanging over Manchester City, stopping Andersons going there, why did it stop Gehi? Why didn't it stop Gehi going there two months ago? Why didn't it stop Semenyu going there two months ago?

35:08What's changed in two months? Even if Man City get found guilty it will go to the Court of Appeal which will take years. So if you're Semenyu, Gehi or Anderson and Man City get found guilty you're still going to get three or four years at Manchester City anyway and you've probably got something of a clause in there. So I don't, I think it's honestly I think you'd go to Man City and you'd be covered off in your contract anyway Yearning, thank you very much for that United's taking one year at a time solving each position says Amit 100 million for Pogba, Gomez can do Anderson's job says Josh Thank you very much for that Okay, let me just move on because there's a couple of other bits I want to get into this morning as well This also came in from Luckhurst this morning The club are expected to decide on whether to keep Michael Carrick or make an external hire at the end of the season.

35:58There is a six-man leadership squad led by Bruno, which includes Maguire, Martinez, Deleuze, Masraoui and Tom Heaton. It's unclear if they will be consulted by United's power brokers. Look, as I said last night, with regards to Amand's interview saying that Carrick should get the job, no Man United player whether they're on a leadership team or not should have any say on who the manager is and the minute and I'm not saying they won't or they will they might do they might do it if you're asking me not to sit on the fence do I think the club will consult the leadership team of players on the next manager yes I do 100 % I think I do because the feedback I've had is that the leadership team at Man United are very eager to please without naming names.

36:53So I actually do think they will speak to the players about who the manager should be. And that is the worst thing you can do. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Every dating app swap is another loss. Gym bros, fake CEOs, straight up losers. So now the only app I open is Moto Casino. Because at least there I'm surrounded by winners. Real winners. thousands of them while everyone else is in the single swamp I'm at home relaxing while stacking bonuses hitting wins and playing all my favourite Vegas style games Moto Casino the only app worth your time Moto Casino the social casino we're prohibited no purchase necessary visit moto.us for more details download the Moto Casino app today must be 21 plus Moto Casino American Social Casino I wouldn't do it anyway I mean I wouldn't ask Arsenal if Arteta left I wouldn't speak to Declan Rice and Odegaard about who their next manager should be and that's a team that's top of the Premier League and they haven't sacked their manager for years.

37:45So if Arteta left Real Madrid in the summer, I wouldn't get Declan Rice on the phone and say, who do you think the manager should be? And if Pep leaves in the summer, I wouldn't be speaking to John Stones or Rodri about who the manager should be. So I certainly wouldn't be speaking to Man United players who've sacked multiple managers in the last few years. I just wouldn't speak to a player about who the manager should be because I want those, they're employees. if they were coaches or managers I might speak to them but they're employees no matter how good they are no matter how good a player they are no matter how much money they earn no matter how experienced they are I'm not speaking to you about who the manager should be there is a chain of command your job is to go out on the pitch and win games of football the manager's job is to coach you to do that and my job on the board is to be in charge of the manager I do not need a relationship with the players, asking them what they want.

38:38You are paid employees of this football club. And at times I'm going to be saying, I'm not giving you a pay rise. And at times I'm going to be loaning you out. And at times I'm going to be putting you up for sale. I do not need to have a conversation with you about who the manager should be. You know, I have done it in the past. If they do it again, it would be ridiculous. But I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. what i would do is i want to keep bruno fernandez i think that's really important and in one way or shape or form i'd have to figure out what's most likely to make bruno stay at the football club but i don't need to ask bruno opinion about that i need to i need to present a project that i'm comfortable with that i believe is going to make man united great and is going to make Bruno excited.

39:32I do not need to ask Bruno for his input on the manager. I don't. Because that's player power. And we can't go back to player power. Because the minute you start giving, I mean, imagine Michael Carrick's position if the players say to the board, we want Carrick, right? That's great for Carrick now. But next season, when you lose five games in a row and the players go to the board and go, we got it wrong, he's not the right guy. What happens then? Do they sacked the manager. And I should have said that at the start. That's the issue. If you speak to players about who the manager should be, I'm sure they're more than willing to say, well, give it to Carrick or go for such and such.

40:09But when things go wrong, they're going to be knocking on the door going, we've had a chat. He's not the right guy. And then you've got what happened to Mourinho. And you can't have that. You can't have player power. You can't have player power. if United haven't figured that out that's scary because we can't have that and you can't have that at Real Madrid you can't have that at Bayern Munich you just can't have it absolutely not anyway we move we move we move what one positive is hopefully it will be decided at the end of the season and not before I really do want a proper process for Man United there was also an update today from Saka Tavlieri via Sky Sports Man United are gearing up for a major midfield revolution this summer.

40:59Agate likely to leave. Casemiro also expected to go. The club planned to sign two midfielders to restore balance between physicality, creativity and attacking projection. Manu is seen as the untouchable cornerstone of the future and is close to signing a new contract. Other targets include Fernandes at West Ham, although he's not a top priority due to Man City's interest. I mean, they seem to be interested in everybody else. Elliot Anderson and Amadou Anana at Villa. I mean, that's another player we probably shouldn't rule out. Anana at Aston Villa. But look, I think what is becoming quite prevalent is this two midfield thing, like we're being gifted.

41:41It's like those Ferrero Roche adverts, isn't it? Ooh, with these Ferreira Roche, you're really spoiling us. With these two midfield stories, you're really spoiling us. I mean, you're not spoiling. Romano did it yesterday. We've had it again this morning. And it's almost like, I don't know whether there's somebody at United who think that by leaking out, we're looking at two midfielders. The whole fan base is going to go, oh my God, it's not one, it's two. where if they actually listen to their fans for most of the season, people have said, you need three. Two won't be enough. And we seem to be getting briefed at the moment that, oh, we might get two.

42:19And we're all meant to go, oh God, we might get two. Oh, we might get two. And I actually think three is completely and utterly obvious. And even with that update that Agate and Casemiro are going, If Agate and Casemiro go and we sign two midfielders, we're in the same position we are now, which is every single game Mainou and Casemiro need to play. Otherwise, Agate has to come on. We don't have enough midfielders as it is. And you're going to do two in, two out. And it has to be two out. Like, we can't keep Agate next season. He has to be moved on. Casemiro is definitely gone. So, I mean, it has to be.

43:03I'm actually going to say this now and we can come back to it in August. We have to be signing three midfielders. I just think United might be keeping it quiet. And I understand that. It's a clever move to keep it quiet. But I think we absolutely are signing three. There's no logical reason not to sign three. It's so dangerous not to sign three. I think we're just saying two because we don't want everybody to know that we're signing three. Because if clubs know that we're signing three, they can manipulate us on price a little bit. For example, if we go and try and sign Joe Gomez and Wolves know we're trying to sign three, they know that they can bump the price up a little bit because United need three, not two.

43:44And if you only need two and you've got six options, then you can play people off against each other. the move if you want three and you've got six options you don't have a lot of move room for maneuverability so hopefully hopefully um we will be signing three midfielders um amit says wilcox needs to go and study nba in project management thank you very much um savage says there's no logical reason why mason mountcote can't go on loan i feel like um I feel like, I mean, I saw the clip again this morning on Instagram from Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes. I'd only read the clip yesterday. I'd only read the statement yesterday.

44:27I actually saw the clip today, this morning, where they both literally said with their mouths, when Luke Shaw's fits, he's one of the best left backs in Europe. And I'm like, I've got so much respect for Nicky Butt. and Paul Sculls, like incredible players. And I like their podcast and I like what they talk about, but it just goes to show we can all talk shit. And I was like, I can't believe they're saying that and backing each other up. Luke Shaw, when he's fit, is one of the best left backs in Europe. And I'm like, I've seen them at Man United games. We've seen them sat there next to Sir Alex this season.

45:07And I'm like, what is their brain doing when they're watching Luke Shaw and thinking he's one of the best left-backs in Europe. I mean, three years ago, four years ago, yes. He's been fit all season. He's been playing at left-backs since April and he's been bang, well, some would say worse. If I'm generous, I would say he's been average. But he's one of the best left-backs in Europe. The guy doesn't go forward. He doesn't put crosses in. He's slow. I mean, Ricky's gone and done an Instagram saying, pick a card. I've seen a clip of Scholes and Butt saying that Luke Shaw is one of the best left backs in Europe.

45:50And I'm like, hold on a minute, Ricky. They've also said we shouldn't have sold Rashford. So you can't pick a card. You can't pick an opinion. You know, they've said stuff that you don't agree with. So I'm sorry. I'm not clipping up players and saying, look, they've said what I think. Because I don't necessarily agree with any player consistently, but my point is about Mason Mount is that I just don't know whether Mason Mount's a fan favourite. Not a fan favourite. I think Mason Mount might be well-liked in the club, so I don't think they'll loan him. And I think sometimes, this is where Man United go wrong, they keep people who are popular.

46:29And those popular people might not actually be good enough. and I think there's loads of evidence of United keeping people at this football club way too long because they're popular and I think Mason Mount being loaned out it just feels like he's part of the furniture now you know if Mason Mount was Paul Pogba with all these injuries there'd be a very different story around him if Luke Shaw was Paul Pogba the way he didn't play for United six months before the Euros and then played for England and then didn't play for his for four months after. There'd be a very different story around it. It's just the way the world works.

47:12But we should be used. Mason Mount, I personally think Mason Mount's a talented footballer. I just think he's absolutely crippled with injuries and always will be. So you've got to move him on. Luke Shaw, for me, isn't the player he was, even though he's done remarkably well to stay fit. He's just not the player he was. There's a very valid reason why he's not in the England squad. And let's not forget that was a big England squad. It was a 35-man England squad and he didn't get in it. And that was totally correct. So why Man United keeping these players? Money, I think. Can we get three midfielders from the Gold Devils next season, says Amit.

47:49And Patrick Lynch says, we already know what will happen. We'll get two early doors and a young winger and we'll get a decent third just before the deadline. Four deals is all we'll end up doing, just like summer. What I would say, Patrick, about timelines is that we do need to do a deal early, at least one, because when that World Cup happens, it's going to be curtains to... Well, when the World Cup's on, it's an open door for Man United to go, well, the World Cup's on. The interesting thing about Xao Gomez is, I don't know, I don't know, will he go to the World Cup? from what I got told last week and I have kept you up to date with this really well sourced not from the club Xao Gomez, Man United very very likely to happen but it needs to happen like Kunia it needs to be happening in April late April because once Wolves are relegated that should make it happen and also if he goes to the World Cup then And you've got that window of time with Gio Gomez between Wolves being relegated and off to the World Cup.

49:04So Mason Jones says, Mark, be honest. Mount on his day is actually decent. I mean, you know, sometimes I do wonder if I am I actually am my words actually coming. Am I muted? Mark, be honest. Mount on his day is actually decent. Mason, I don't remember every word I say on a show, but I literally said about two minutes ago, I think Mason Mount's a decent player. but he's riddled by injury, so you've got to get rid of him. Bilal Masterclass.

49:36I've got good players in the Gold Devils, very good players. What are your thoughts on Charles from Southampton? Could be a good SWAT player as the third or fourth midfield signing. Look, Josh, I'd need to do some work on him. I mean, what is not in doubt is that Southampton are playing fantastically well at the moment. But whether you should be bringing in a young championship midfielder to be your third midfielder, again, I think that's papering the crack. Why would you need to go for a championship midfielder when you could go and get Jao Gomez, James Garner, Adam Wharton, Angelo Stiller? I don't think it's acceptable to bring in a young, unknown midfielder this summer.

50:14I don't think it's acceptable to bring in potential this summer. there are multiple midfielders that are ready to go even Scott at Bournemouth is ready to go Gio Gomez ready to go um Tyler Adams ready to go Ampadu at Leeds ready to go Garner ready to go yeah there's no need to bring in a um prospect we should bring in three players that are ready to go because as far as I'm aware next season we need to be ready to go like we're gonna have to be in the top five again and we're going to be competing in the champions league it's not next season's not a project next season's not a let's see how it goes next season's got to be this is why i want an experienced coach this is why i want experienced players i don't want prospects managers prospect players i don't think that's acceptable because we'll end up back where we were last year potentially um right thanks everyone for watching remember it's a seven o 'clock show tonight 8 o 'clock for That's Football, Champions League night, PSG.

51:18Somebody said to me, actually, would you not want Liverpool to beat PSG because then Enrique might leave?

51:26Can you listen to yourself? Hello? Would I want Liverpool to win in the Champions League on the off chance that Enrique might leave and come to Man United? If I knew that that was a fact, I'd think about it. but I ain't doing it on a maybe. I ain't doing it on a trust me, bro. No, I want PSG to wipe their arse with Liverpool. Absolutely. Take care. Stay safe. And Bet's back with you at two as well. Speak to you all in a bit.

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