375: Too SLOW! United ABANDON Transfer Plans?

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0:34Amazon, XAI, Toyota, Milwaukee Tool, and GE Aerospace have all tapped into our deep talent pool, prime geographic location, and welcoming communities. This is bigger than mega sites. Mississippi offers a thriving business ecosystem with affordability, greater collaboration with energy partners, and record-breaking speed to market. Looking to expand? Break new ground at Mississippi.org. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge, and this is your latest Manchester United news and transfer news this Thursday morning. And I tell you what, I'm not actually happy. It's not just because I think the Premier League's rubbish and the standard of football at United is rubbish when you look at things.

1:16I mean, why are we glazing people like Ahmad and the future of Man United when you can watch people like Harry Kane and Elisa and realise we're bloody miles off? We're miles off. We're fooling ourselves. And I think that the club are fooling themselves as well. I do not think we have a plan. I do not think we have a plan. Listen to this update from Fabrizio Romano, right? You know, last night we were talking about how Man United are now not so sure about Carrick and they might start speaking to Enrique and Nagelsmann and Emery. It's the 16th of April. We'd interviewed Pochettino and Ten Haag and appointed Ten Haag by now.

1:53And we're thinking Carrick might not be the guy in the 16th of April. What did we do for the month we had off in the international break? Just sit there and play dominoes. Oh, let's book a flight on Ryanair to Dublin. I mean, you know, let's go and sing outside the Molly Malone statue. You know, what the hell have we been doing for the last month to suddenly realise maybe Carrick's not the guy? I don't think we have a plan. I genuinely think we're falling behind. I don't think we have a plan. And this is what Fabrizio Romano said. Nothing has changed after the Leeds defeat. Man United are very happy with Michael Carrick.

2:25The club is still assessing all options and Carrick is fully aware of the situation and he's got no issue with it. He remains very much in the race for the permanent job. I'll say it again. I'll say it again. What the hell is going on at this football club? The message from the football club is we're still very happy after the Leeds result. I don't think that Leeds result, by the way, is getting anywhere near the scrutiny it deserves. And before I have my say, this is what Roy Keane said on the overlap. I'm amazed after the game, everyone's angry about the sending off. What about the performance?

2:58Especially that first half, the sending off has become a distraction. They were 2-0 down at halftime. Be angry about how you started the game so slowly. It feels like a distraction for everyone. All anyone's talking about is the red card. The red card was a convenient distraction for United. The manager is getting angry in the media about it, but not angry with the team for playing like that against Leeds. How can you start a game with no energy? Well, I completely, I said it myself. I said it myself on the night. I said it on Tuesday. I said it on Wednesday. I said it on Thursday. This red card is a bloody distraction.

3:31You got Rio Ferdinand saying it was a tactical masterclass by Carrick at half time. We were losing 2-0 and they nearly scored again. The only tactical masterclass was a hair pull by Martinez that inspired the team to play better with 10 men. We ain't talking about that Leeds result enough. Even the club are coming out. We're happy with Carrick. We're happy. We might have a look at someone else, but we're happy with Carrick. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What is happening to this fan base and what is happening to this? Well, I say fan base. I think a lot of people are actually switched on. It's the message coming out.

4:02And also, did you see this morning, even the Athletic are starting to switch on. There was something in the Athletic today that Michael Carrick apparently, let me read this to you. And there's some fascinating comments coming out from Steve Bruce as well. I'm going to tear into them. Among top flight managers this season, this is facts, by the way. Among top flight managers this season, Carrick waits the longest to make his first sub, only looking to his bench after 65 minutes on average. So Carrick's first sub is 65 minutes, yeah? However, Luke Shaw's 24th minute sub due to illness against Palace has massively skewed that figure.

4:41So not only is he the longest manager to make his first sub in the Premier League on 65 minutes, It's actually a skewed number because Luke Shaw came off so early. If you take that out of the equation, he's actually got an average of 69 minutes before he makes his first sub. So Carrick is the guy that takes the longest in the Premier League to make a change by a long way. 65 minutes and realistically more like 70.

5:14indecisive, out of his depth, inexperienced.

5:21You know, but listen to this one. Listen to this one. Steve Bruce, right? Steve Bruce today on radio or yesterday or this morning. I would give it to Michael Carrick. He's in pole position for the job. Well, he's in pole position because he's the only bloody person sat in the position. I mean, I'm in pole position, aren't I? I'm in the, you know, if I enter a lottery and I'm the only person in it, I'm in pole position to win the bloody lottery, aren't I? I mean, he sat as the interim manager. Of course, he's in bloody pole position, isn't he? Come on. It's bloody obvious. Actually, obvious he's in pole position.

5:51But he also goes on to say, this is my favourite one. This is my favourite. These two things are my absolute bugbear, right? My absolute bugbear. I've got so much to get into this morning that is absolutely winding me up about this situation, right? this from Steve Bruce. The great thing about Michael is he knows what the club's all about. Oh my God. Are we still rolling that out in 2026? He's Man United through and through. He's played for the club. He knows what it's all about. Oh yeah, Michael Carrick, he knows what it's all about. Let's get Oli back as well because he scored a goal in 1999.

6:27Fucking hell. Come on. We can't employ guys because they know what it's all about. We can't. What are we going to do? Luke Chadwick knows what it's all about. Wes Brown knows what it's all about. Yeah. Rooney knows what it's all about. We don't employ people because we know what it's all about. And trust me, Man United has been run by the Glazers for 20 years. It's the biggest load of hypocritical bullshit I've ever heard that we need to bring somebody in who knows what it's all about. when we're owned by people who don't know what it's all about, have plunged us into debt and are going to knock Old Trafford down.

7:06You can't use sentimentality and insider knowledge for the manager and then ignore it for the owners. Oh, yeah. Let's give it to somebody who knows what it's all about. And yet we're owned by people who do not know what it's all about. And also, it's about ability. You're telling me that Luis Enrique, who's managed Barcelona and PSG, is going to walk into Man United and go, I'm not doing this. It's terrifying. Ah, God, no. You know, you think Nagelsmann, who's managed Bayern Munich in Germany, is going to go, oh, my God, I can't believe it. We've got bloody, oh, God, we've got Crystal Palace away on Saturday.

7:42Sellers Park. Ah, you know, it's just, it's laughable. It's laughable that people sit there on mainstream media and go, well, you know, I can't do Steve Bruce. I'll leave it to the person who does me. But the point is, you can't just say he knows what it's all about. Trust me, right? If Roy Keane had managed Sunderland to the Champions League and he'd taken Ireland to the World Cup, I'd say take Roy Keane. He's managed really well in his career. He's managed in the Champions League. He's managed big players. And also, he knows what Man United's all about. I agree. Knowing what Man United's all about is an advantage if you can actually fucking coach.

8:29You can't use that. And then the best one from Steve Bruce was this. They've tried everything. This is the definition of lazy. We've tried everything. So why not give it to Michael? Have we? Have we tried everything? Have we? We've tried everything, have we? Oh, okay. So because we've tried Mourinho, we've tried Enrique, Nagelsmann and Emery. Okay. OK, we've tried everything. So because we've tried Moyes, we've tried Glasner, Iriola and Marco Silva. We've tried everything. What a load of bollocks. And this is the lazy attitude that may well be in the Man United boardroom. Well, Michael knows the club really, really well.

9:09And we've tried everything. And he's in pole position. I've had enough of it. I've actually had enough of it. It is just so ridiculous. And I tell you what, I think we've already messed our summer up and it's going to take a hell of a lot to turn this around. Because if we're putting messages out after Leeds that we're happy with what's going on, but we might start looking at something else. It's the middle of April. You're sacked Amarim at the start of January. What have you been doing for three months? What have you been doing for three months? Just sat there going, let's give it to Carrick.

9:44What are they actually doing? And the hilarious thing is as well, because they've not done anything, we're now putting ourselves behind everybody as well. Chelsea and Liverpool are desperate to get Champions League football and they don't know whether they've got it. We were in a position where we pretty much know we've got it and we pretty much could have been going around to a lot of players saying, this is our plan for next season. This is what we're going to do. This is who our manager is going to be. These are the managers that we're looking at. This is what we want to do. And you can, but we're not, we're sat there going, let's see if we get Champions League football.

10:13Let's see if we get Champions League football. It's incredible to me. It's absolutely incredible that it looks like we're doing absolutely nothing other than hoping that we can give the job to Carrick. And I tell you what, people say things like, oh, well, you know, we are trying to get Elliot Anderson. Are we? Are we? And do you think Elliot Anderson's looking at Man United and going, this is a good move for my career? Do you think Elliot Anderson looks at Man United getting absolutely played off the park by Leeds, which he will be watching anyway because Forrest are in a relegation battle. Do you think Elliot Anderson looked at Man United against Leeds, who he wants to lose because he wants to keep Forrest up and leave?

10:50Do you think Elliot Anderson's looking at Man United on Monday night and going, that's the place I want to be? Oh yeah, sign me up for that. I love the idea of next season playing with a bunch of bottlers losing to relegation candidates. This is exactly what I want to do with the prime years of my career. And you sort of look at it and you go, what are you selling to our players other than, well, Man United? You know, what are you actually selling? What is your dream? What is your vision? You go back a year ago and there might well be a Cunha and an Embuerma who want to come to Man United, but was that a good move for them?

11:21I think it was. But look at the first year of Cunha and Embuerma at Man United. Come to Manchester United. We're building a vision. We want you to be part of it. And I think this is the important thing. We never look at stuff like this. It's always like, why wouldn't Anderson choose Man United? Why wouldn't Stilla choose Man United? Why wouldn't Wharton choose Man United? Why wouldn't anybody choose Man United? Because we're Manchester United. But look at last season. Jorro chose Man United over Real Madrid two years ago. That's going really well for Jorro, isn't it? Come to Man United. Don't go to Real Madrid.

11:53Come to Man United. We will help you out. In Jorro's first two years at Man United as a teenager who was told to choose us over Real Madrid, he has seen three managers. The manager that signed him, he never played for, Ten Hag. Amorim is sacked within a year and now he's getting a new manager. And he's had fuck all development. So well done. Come to Man United as a kid. We'll fuck your career up. Also, Kunja Mbwermo. Come to Man United. We're building a vision under Ruben Amorim. Meet Ruben Amorim. Oh, I like Ruben Amorim. Actually, I want to come to Man United, but I really like Ruben Amorim.

12:27We've had the interviews from Kunja and Mbwermo. Amorim was a big part in why I came to the club. Come to Manchester United. I'm going to play a 3-4-3. I'm going to play with two number 10s. You're going to be my number 10s behind the striker. Bruno behind you. We're going to build a vision. Come to Man United. It's a massive club with a great vision. I'll come to Man United with a massive club and a great vision. It's Christmas time. Amarim's been sacked. You're not playing number 10 anymore. You're playing out of position, you know. And at some point, players are going to look at it and go, look at what's happened to Kunio and Mbwemo.

13:00They're not playing very well at the moment, by the way. They're playing out of position and they're not playing very well. In a space of a year, a dream move is an uncertain move. Look at Yoro. A dream move is a career halter. I just don't know what we're selling. And I'm a fan. And you're a fan. I don't know what we're selling. You know, if Elliot Anderson rang me up and said, I love the United stand on the quiet. Please don't tell anybody. But I'm thinking of coming to Man United. I'd have to lie. I'd have to lie and say, because I want him to come. I'd be like, yeah, come to Man United. Come to Man United.

13:29It'd be great for your career. But it'd be a lie. I actually don't know what the vision is. I don't know what the plan is. And here we are in the middle of April where we should be interviewing candidates and Carrick wouldn't even give a shit. I don't think Michael Carrick cares if we're interviewing other people. I don't know what the justification is for not interviewing other people while Michael Carrick's here. He's an interim fucking manager. He got sacked by Middlesbrough. He isn't Jose Mourinho. If I'm bloody, what's his face, Omar Barada, and I get a knock on my door from Carrick saying, well, I'm not very happy.

14:12I'm not very happy that you, I'm hearing you're interviewing Nagelsmann. I'm not very happy. And I'm hearing you might be interviewing Emery next week. I'm not very happy. Aren't you? You're not very happy, aren't you? You're bloody lucky to be here, mate. Didn't Middlesbrough sack you? Yeah, yeah. Did you lose to Leeds on Wednesday? when was your last win? Where's your good football? Last time I checked, it said interim coach. Get out and do your job. Stop bloody moaning at me because I'm interviewing other people. I'm doing my job. You do your job and you might get the job. Get out. Yeah. Oh, it might upset Carrick if we interview other people.

14:48Good. Good. We might win. We might start playing football again. You might realise if you... I mean, look, the Man United job can be given to Michael Carrick. It can be given to Michael Carrick. I've always said that. Under very strict circumstances, not scraping Champions League football because everyone else is shitter than you, go out and smash Chelsea. Go out and play good football. Bounce back from some shit results by battering Chelsea with good football. Oh, that'll do me. I like the look of that. Now go and do it again. Now go and do it again. Instead of, we can't interview anybody because it might upstep Michael and Steve.

15:25What's all that about? Manchester United, you should have been into it. What have we been doing for the last three and a half weeks? I mean, not a lot when you look at the performance on Monday night. But when you look at the performance in the boardroom, what have we been doing? What players have we spoken to? Who are we in advance talks with? What managers have we spoke to? Nobody. Bloody nobody. I'll tell you what. Being on the board of Man United must be a piece of cake. Don't bloody do anything. Can you get onto Romano and just tell him we're very happy? Is that the job? Is that all you want me to do today?

15:59Yeah. And that'll do for tomorrow and next week. Let's just keep praying that Carrick does well. But, you know, it needs to stop. It needs to stop. Like this whole, I just don't know what we're doing. That's the thing that I'm angry about. I do not know what we're doing. I don't know what we're doing. I mean, if you want to give it to Carrick, fucking give it to Carrick. and then at least we can react to it. But if you're going to do something else, you better start bloody doing it. And it's not just about a manager, it's about signings as well. Other clubs will be doing stuff. We're falling behind when we should have been ahead.

16:38You know, you look at Liverpool, will they keep slot? Won't they keep slot? Maybe they will keep him for another year, but I don't think he'll stay there for long. You look at Chelsea with Rosinha, probably going to be there next season, but will he be there that long? There are clubs in a worse position than us. Newcastle. Are Newcastle keeping Eddie Howe or not? Newcastle could be back in the top five next year. So there's clubs that are rivals to our top five spot next season who are in uncertainty. We sacked our manager three months ago. We've known we needed a whole new midfield for 18 months.

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17:54We're happy. We're happy with what's happening. But how can we be happy with what's happening when you're not doing anything, you know? That's my big bugbear. It's like the messaging out of the club is just so grey and we know that club so well. It tends to be... You know what I think, and I've said it before, It wouldn't surprise me if they go, there's no value in the market, so we're going to give Carrick a short-term contract, which is basically a load of rubbish. You either commit long-term or you get somebody else. I think any fan that goes, I'm on board with Carrick getting a one-year, 12-month extension and let's see what the market looks like next year, that's just writing the season off.

18:41it's not it's not validation of Carrick it's not a project it's cowardly and it's also proof that you're not good enough to go out and get a manager for Manchester United which I find incredible but I also think as well that they don't actually know what they're doing I don't think they actually know who their targets are I don't think they know who they're signing I know for a fact two or three Premier League clubs know who they're signing in the summer. Arsenal pretty much know they're getting Alvarez. That's been known for a long time. I don't think Man United know who they're buying. I don't think they know what they're doing.

19:17And I actually think their plan is please win a few more games so that we can just keep this situation as it is. Because I think they like this situation. Whatever this situation is, I think the club like it. Whether it's stability, you know, a safe pair of hands. I just think they like this situation. But as Roy Keane said, as I've said, and as many of you've said, I don't, there is nothing to like about this situation. It's not ambitious. It's not future planning. It's embarrassing. And as I said, I think losing to Leeds at Old Trafford in the way that we did, it just wouldn't happen under Mourinho.

20:01It wouldn't happen under Ten Hag, it wouldn't happen under Ranić and it wouldn't happen under Amrim. But there's no noise. Don't you find it strange that we can get our arse handed on a plate at Old Trafford by Leeds and there's no noise? Why do you think that is? I don't have the answer. Why do you think we get battered by Leeds and there's no reaction to it at all? In fact, the club put it out that they're happy. Bit of moaning about a red card, but there's no scrutiny of that performance at all. And yet if that was Amorim or Ten Hag, oh my God, people would be going mad. We're going absolutely mad.

20:39But there's nothing. There's absolutely no reason why we're not scrutinising a shit performance against Leeds. Because I tell you what, if we win a game or two, oh my God, we're back. We're back. We're absolutely back. Man United are back. We've been shit for the last four games and the results have been shit. Nobody's saying anything. Nobody's saying a bloody word. It's crazy to me. Hi, Mark and the United Stand. How are you today, mate? Hope all is well. Daniel, thank you very much for your super chat as always. Ross says for the last 10 years, reactive, not proactive plans. Yes, very, very true.

21:19Very, very true. And as I said yesterday, look, I would love to be proved wrong. I would love United to be doing secret, competent things. But how many, how often does that actually happen, you know?

21:34Arshan says, hi, Mark. I watched last night's show. If this board appointed Carrick without interviewing any of the managers, don't be surprised. They'd just go for Belaber and Gomez as well. God, yeah. Supernatural says, I'd counter that back to the club, though. Who do you bring in to improve as there's no depth in the squad? Most subs make us worst. Worse. Yeah, but you know what? Supernatural, and I'm stealing this here. I'm seeing this come out as well. Well, it's not Carrick's fault, it's the players. So we are now trusting a manager that's got no experience apart from championship football where he got sacked.

22:07We're now saying Carrick's a really good manager, it's just the players. What are you basing that on? That would be my argument to that. If you want to blame the players, the players have been a bugbear for a long time, but why are we saying it's not Carrick based on what? You know, he doesn't make subs longer than any other manager in the Premier League. Oh, well, there's nothing on the bench. This wasn't an excuse for Amorim. Why is this now an excuse for Carrick? This was not an excuse for Amorim. And I'm not talking about this season. I'm talking about last season. When Amorim was losing to Wolves at home this time last year, oh, get him out, get him out.

22:44I hadn't even had a transfer window. So it's funny how excuses come into play for some people, but not others. And as I say, I'd wonder why that was. Emily Derry says, as usual, the club and most of the mainstream and ex-players utterly fail to read the room. But we seem to have gone backwards because even the reaction is half-hearted, lukewarm at best. It's just lazy, Emily. You know what it is? It's just lazy. Because these people don't care about Manchester United. That's what it is. It's just lazy. I think the media are actually getting bored of Man United. I think they're going, well, we like Michael.

23:16Let's get him the job. He's got the British passport. He used to play for Man United. I think the press like the idea of Carrick getting the job because they're lazy, but they're not Man United fans. And that's why when you scrutinise it and say, you know, OK, we beat Villa. You want to give it to Carrick now because we beat Villa. Well done. What did I say on Tuesday morning to all the people who want Carrick? Please tell us after that Leeds performance, why is the right guy? No, nothing. No, nothing. Ex-players, media, fans, they won't give you a reason. Some of us were giving reasons not to give him the job when we were winning.

23:54So when they came at us, well, we're winning now. What do you say about that? I say the same things I've always said. I don't think we should give him the job at the moment. But when Carrick loses and you go to the people that want him, why are we giving him the job now then? Nothing. Shut up. Wait till we win again. Wait till we win again. And that's it. It's a grown up conversation, as Emily says. And, you know, all you do get is that nonsense that Steve Bruce is talking and he's not the only one. There's no Man United have tried everything. No, we haven't tried everything. We haven't tried everything at all, have we?

24:24If I make you lasagna every night of the week and then I make a different lasagna on the Saturday, you're not having the same lasagna you had yesterday, are you? And managers aren't lasagnas. They're different people with different ideas. We haven't tried everything. And also the flaw in that we've tried everything so we may as well give it to Carrick. We've already tried Carrick. the hypocrisy of that is hilarious man united have tried everything so they should give it to carrick hold on a minute is carrick not ollie an ex-player that's been an interim done quite well we've tried that didn't work so why would we try can i try marino again please if we've tried everything and we're going back to the ollie model can i try marino please because that can i try the marino model the experience manager who is one of the best he's ever been I don't want to try the Oli model.

25:17I don't want to try the Moyes model. I don't want to try the Ten Hag model. Can I try the Mourinho one? Because that was the most successful one. That was the one that actually was the most successful. So if we've tried everything, if I said to you, we cannot appoint any other manager, you can only go and try what we've already tried, everyone would say Jose. So why are we going for the Oli one? If we've tried everything, why are we going for the Oli one? Why are we going for the ex-player? But it's bollocks anyway, because we haven't tried everything. It's impossible. We haven't tried everything at all.

25:48And as I said before, oh, the fact that they know Man United, what a load of shit. What a load of shit. What does appointing a player that knows what Man United was like under Sir Alex do now when working under Jason Wilcox? You know, it's not even the same. Welcome to Members Club, Robbo. Hope you're doing very well. Why do teams like Chelsea who are playing bad always get off the media manager needs sacking, but when we play bad, they still glaze Carrick madness, says Alex. I hate how Man United makes you sad. You didn't shave, says Maz. I do need a shave, you're right. Patrick Lynch with the Super Chat says, I honestly don't know why someone would invest in Man United and not want to show ambition.

26:29Even from a business point of view, none of the decisions have made any progress. It's either backwards or static. If we're talking about the Glazers and Ineos, Patrick, and their working together, I would say there's about 5 billion reasons why you would invest in Manchester United. And it basically comes down to this. If Man United are worth 5 billion when you invest 1.5 to buy 25 % and then the club's worth 10 billion, your 1.5 billion has now doubled in value in five years. So instead of paying 1.5 billion for 25%, you now have 3 billion for 25%. How does that happen? Basically, you work on a project with the government and private investors to regenerate Old Trafford, knock it down, build a load of stuff around it, build a super stadium.

27:24And, you know, suddenly you're very, very rich. I don't think over the last two years we've had any proof of evidence that Sir Jim Radcliffe bought into Manchester United to make us a great football team. I think he bought into Manchester United with his Ineos shareholders to make money. Because there's no evidence that we're trying to be a good football team. Emily Derry says, I just have a sinking feeling that Carrick and more importantly, the players already know he has the job. The performances and results have dropped off like they did when Oli first got the job. You know what, Emily? I think that's a great point.

28:00It does feel, you know, Oli got the job at the end of March and the results and the performance has dropped off. It feels very similar. You're right. It does feel very similar. And that's appalling because he hasn't even got the fucking job. Jamie says, it feels like the power of the Man United name has gone. Can't see Enrique and Nagelsmann joining us. Carrick short term. Here we come. And United Nick says, if Carrick had not played for United, would you give him the job based on his managing ability? Knows what it's all about. Doesn't cut it for me. Double D. Hope you're doing well. Says, amazing how these idiots can grow a set to sack hardworking people, but don't have the balls to make concrete football decisions.

28:36Robert McCormack says, could argue he's won the most games, so not needed. Says, Robert, I don't know what that means.

28:45You could argue he's not. I get the first bit. You could argue he's won the most games, so not needed. I don't get that. I don't get the not needed. Competency so secret they don't even know about it themselves, says Jack. Like, about Carrick and subs, it may be because our bench squad isn't good enough, says Ziggard. Oh, come on. I mean, this is... No, can I just respect you and your comment? There is your respect, but come on. Like, I've seen Amrim and Ten Hag get pelters on watch-alongs and on media for not making subs. And we're now saying it's okay not to make subs because the bench isn't very good.

29:24Come on. That is not an excuse You know what it is? I've been a coach When your team's performing badly And you don't make subs It's actually an expression of being out of your depth In my opinion If your team's not playing well And you've got how many subs behind you And you don't make changes Because you don't trust your subs But the players on the pitch you can't trust either That's called Incompetence in my mind That's called cowardice that's called being out of your depth. If you can't, if your players on the pitch aren't doing the job for you, but then you don't want to turn around and give someone else a go, what are you as a coach?

30:05What are you? If I see a player that I've picked and I want them to perform for me and they're not performing, I don't give a shit whether the guy on the bench is worse. I am making that change because it shows I am a manager that's not going to put up with that performance. And I'm going to say to that player, he's playing absolutely fucking shit. I might not have trusted you to start, but this is your opportunity to show I'm wrong and show me you're better than him. So I do not buy into, oh, well, you know, it's excusable not to make subs. If your team's winning, don't make any bloody subs. If you don't trust your bench and your team's winning, don't make subs.

30:45Fine. It's a risk, but don't make subs. But if your team's playing shit and then you don't make subs. I think that to me is just wrong. Absolutely wrong.

30:59John Walker says, engineered for mid-table at best. If we get a top manager, do we have another three-year project? Look, Jack, I think this is what I'm saying. You cannot give Carrick the job for 12 months. You've got to give him the job for three years. This is what I've always said. If you're going to give it to Carrick, interview other people. And then if you give it to him, you back him. I'll back him if he gets the job. I don't agree with it at the moment, but if they give him the job, what else are we going to do? You've got to back him. But don't give him a bloody 12-month contract. That's the worst of everything.

31:33We all know, whether we like it or not, I think we all agree that the Amarim job did need three years. like it did you don't have to agree with Amarim not getting sacked or sacked or whatever but whoever we bring in it's not all going to happen next season is it whoever we bring in it's probably not going to happen the year after that it is it is a three to five year project if you get the right guy and you start doing the right things I mean look we all know even if you bring in your dream manager the board will fuck it up but if you get your dream manager and they give him everything he needs, it's still going to take three to five years.

32:11So yeah, I mean, look, whoever the manager is, Jordan, it's going to have to be, sorry, Jack, it's going to have to be, you know, a project, which is why you're going to get the best in class. Jordan says, owners and the board lack ambition and competence. We need to get the checkbook out and be aggressive in the window. Best in class doesn't come cheap. And this is a great point as well, Jordan, because it seems to me that if I'm in charge of Man United or you're in charge of Man United, I'm not getting any sleep because I'm like, I'm speaking to this manager, this manager, I'm looking at Carrick and manager, manager, manager.

32:45And then I'm talking to this player, this player, this player, and I'm getting rid of you, you, you. I mean, there isn't enough hours in the day for what Man United need to do. We've got to sort the manager out. We've got to sort the signings out. We've got to sort of getting rid of players out. It's like there's so much to do. It's like, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there. You're doing that talk. I talked to him two o 'clock, three o 'clock, four o 'clock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this should have been going on for weeks. Weeks. Nobody can defend this. We should be knee deep in conversations with managers, agents, players all the time, searching out what's right for us.

33:25And here we are in the middle of April and it's sort of like we're happy with everything at the moment. We're assessing our options. Oh my God. This is just not the behaviour. You know what? Think about it like this. If Man City were in our position, for whatever weird reason, Man City were in our position, right? They'd have been working on this for months. They'd have been prepared for this by now. They'd know what they want. They'd have everything lined up and it'd be like, bang, bang, bang, bang. And it's like, we're just sort of that sat there going. And don't say, well, you don't know that stuff might be going on behind the scenes.

34:03Man United leaked like a sieve. There's good people working at Man United, but they can't keep the information in-house. It just goes out. Somebody says something in a meeting and 10 minutes later, it's in the press. They just leak information. They can't control information. So anybody who thinks, well, maybe we're secretly are like this, this, and this, I'd agree with you. I'd say, look, if all we were doing this summer was bringing a manager in, there is a slim chance that we might be able to hold secret talks with one manager and lock it down, right? If all we needed was a manager in the summer and it was one manager, there is a slim chance we could lock that down and keep it quiet.

34:47Even then, I don't think we could, but there is a slim chance. But if you're in talks with lots of managers and lots of players and lots of agents, we're hearing nothing. There's no way we're doing that because we would hear about some of it and we're hearing nothing. So I actually genuinely think we are just doing nothing at the moment, which is incredible to me. Incredible. John Walker, welcome to Members Club. Thank you very much. And also by proxy, if we are doing nothing or we are contemplating what to do with the manager, our summer transfer plan, we don't have one. And some people will really struggle with this.

35:27What is our summer transfer plan? We don't have one. We clearly don't have one because if we don't really know when or if we're giving it to Carrick, how can we have a summer transfer plan? We actually don't have one, do we? And if we don't know whether we're getting Anderson or not, we don't have a summer transfer plan. Somebody might twist it and say, well, if we're giving it to Carrick, if we're likely to give it to Carrick and we do get Elliot Anderson, then that's the plan. That's a consequence. That's not a plan. A plan is something that's written out, we're going to do this. They don't have a plan.

36:10They would like Anderson, but they don't know whether they're getting Anderson. Maybe they would like to give it to Carrick, but they don't know whether they're going to give it to Carrick. There is no plan in place at the moment. A plan would be something like what Man City have. I guarantee Man City know who the manager is in the summer. And I guarantee Man City know the players that they're going to bring in. And I guarantee Man City know if they don't get Elliot Anderson, it's going to be Tonali or whoever. So that's a plan. A plan is that's the manager we're getting. These are the players we're getting.

36:45And if that player doesn't come to us, we're getting that player. That's a plan. I don't for one minute think Man United have got that plan. I don't think we've got a plan in place at all. And also to have a plan, you've also got to know that you're going to pay that money and you're not going to walk away. You've also got to know you're going to pay those wages and you're not going to walk away. And I don't think we've got any of that in place either. Not using your subs. It's incompetence as Emily Derry. It's also fear of making mistakes or big personalities in the dressing room. The dressing room's lost.

37:18Carrick was there with Oli and learned nothing. Well, look, Emily, I would defend any manager on this, but I think what you're saying is, is that not making subs. And I think Oli used to do this a lot. And Carrick was Oli's assistant coach. I think Oli used to do this a lot. I think Ten Hag used to do it a lot. You're right. If you've got Bruno Fernandes doing an interview last week saying the difference between Carrick and Amrim is that Michael listens to the players and lets us express ourselves, that's player power. If you've got a manager that trains the players less than the previous manager, that's player power.

37:54So if you've got a team that's not performing and you take a long time to make subs, is that not player power? And what I mean by that is I'm watching that game against Leeds and I'm like, at half time, Bruno's going into the midfield, Igarte is coming off, and Ahmad's coming off for Mboumou. That's what's happening in my mind. And maybe another one. No subs happen until the 65th minute. 20 minutes halfway through the second half. After the red card, I think. So why are we not making those subs? Are we scared to upset players? I don't know. I don't have the answer. I really wish I did. This brilliant speech about what we're selling sums it all up, Mark.

38:41Send it to the board at Glinius, but seriously, it needs to go viral, says Arms. I'm sure someone will clip it up and take it out of context. Where in Australia are you visiting, says Jack. This happens every couple of years. I've never said I'm going to Australia. Tried everything except fully backing a manager says keeping it real. Yeah. You know what? You know what? I wasn't sure about Amrim. I'd have given him till the end of the season when Sir Jim Radcliffe said it's three years go back and check the video I wasn't very happy but deep down I did quite respect it because I was like that is what needs to happen like we do need to back a manager for a long time the problem is it needs to be the right manager and as I've said if you give this job to Glasner or Carrick or Iriola does 100 % of the fan base back that decision at the start?

39:38And if they don't, they're certainly not going to sit back patiently for three years. If you want to... Man United desperately need a three-year manager and they need to back them and they need to stick with it and they need to ignore formation conversation and whatever. But that manager has to have 100 % support of the fan base at the start. I don't know whether the club realised that, but if you want a long-term manager that you're going to have a project with, it has to be somebody that has 100 % backing of the fan base. It has to be. If you want patience, then your fan base has to be behind it.

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40:53Are they going to make that choice? I don't know. I don't know. Feels like the City and Arsenal games, the players played Amrim football in our traditional formation. Since Carrick and his team implemented their ways, we've gradually got worse every game, says Jordan. Thank you very much, Jordan. Just obviously it's a morning show and we've been a bit all over the place, but that's what happens when you sort of get passionate. I just want to say as well that we've got Ben Jacobs on the show with Beth at two o 'clock. So all the manager talk, all the transfer talk, what's going on, we can delve into that with him, of course.

41:27There was a brilliant, brilliant comment I saw last night and I wanted to bring it in. But before I do that, I read something this morning and I wanted to talk about it because obviously we do and are getting closer to a transfer window. So I paper this morning talking about centre-backs for Manchester United. Man United have not made any planned move for Marco Sinesi of Bournemouth. I know this contradicts some reports in the last few days, but Man United have got no plans to move for Sanessi of Bournemouth. If the club's strengthened at the back, Murillo from Forest is considered more likely if United decide to sign a defender.

42:10Well, as I've said to you multiple times, we won't be signing a defender. The minute we gave Harry Maguire a contract was the minute we stopped buying a defender. and all of you who championed keeping Harry Maguire is absolutely fine but sometimes there is a hidden meaning behind something you think is a positive and when we kept Harry Maguire that was the end of signing a centre-back so we won't be signing a centre-back and that's why I wasn't happy with it because I was like Maguire whatever you think about him he's 33 it's short term. It's money. And that's why we did it. So we won't be buying a centre-back.

42:54Murillo will go to Liverpool or Chelsea and they will improve their defence. Sinesse will go to somebody else and they will improve their defence. We won't do it. We won't be signing a centre-back because we kept Harry Maguire, because that's how this football club is. We keep on to players for too long to save ourselves money. The second thing I wanted to talk about was, yes, I did want to talk about this. I watched the game last night. We had 20 ,000 people on That's Football watching Real Madrid Bayern Munich. No Premier League club in sight. It was incredible. A game, both legs were brilliant.

43:31And I know we're talking about two Champions League sides, but this is a quarter of the Champions League. It's not the final and it's not necessarily the best team in Europe. This is Real Madrid against Bayern Munich in a Champions League quarterfinal. And I'm watching it and I'm going Vinicius Junior, Mbappe, Harry Kane, Elise, Diaz, Muziala, Valverde, Bellingham. You know, the list goes on and on and on. And I'm watching it and I'm going, I really do want Ahmad to be a good player. I really do want Sesco to be a good player. I really want Mbwemo and Cunha to be good players at Man United. But you know what?

44:13We do settle for glazing players in hope. I want all those players to be good players and I like them. But there is a world of difference between the quality of some of these teams playing in the quarterfinals of the Champions League and what we're seeing in a Man United shirt. A world of difference. We survive on moments and go, oh my God. You see Cunha's goal against Arsenal and you go, oh my God, what a player. But it happens once a month if we're lucky. We are a long way off. We are a long way off. And I think that the lies that we get told about United getting back on top. When you watch proper football, we are a long way off.

45:00We're miles off, says Gaz United. And that's not me taking pops at Sesco or Ahmad. I like them both. But we are living on fumes as fans. We're seeing a sprout of something in the ground and we're calling it a tree. It might grow into a tree, but it ain't a tree and it's nowhere near being a tree. and we're miles off. Stylistically, quality, consistency, we're absolutely bloody miles off. What we think is good, ain't good. What we think is hope, ain't hope. There's one player that I think can mix it up at that level. One player, and that's Bruno Fernandes. Everybody else, I would say, they ain't there yet.

45:47They ain't there yet. Tax all billionaires till one of them buys United, says Max loves cookies. Which players are you hoping, thinking we'll have a resurgence at Man United, says Jack? Well, look, I think Mbuermo, Cunha are really good players that were really good under Amrim and have struggled under Carrick. I think Ahmad, again, was looking good under Amrim, but is struggling under Carrick. The funny thing is, these players talk as if they're happier under Carrick than they were under Amrim because I think they are happier, but they're not playing as well. and this is the great glimpse into a footballer right under amrim they probably had to work harder in a more rigid system and they looked better under carrick they probably get more freedom but they're not working as hard so they don't look what they don't look as good so their brains are telling them that they prefer this but the proof is that they were better under the other system it's like going to work right and having a manager that says just do just do me a couple of hours today and spend the rest of the day on the internet watching funny clips about cats and playing football manager.

46:53You love that boss. You love that boss. But you're only doing two hours of work. Under your previous job, you're in for nine. You do your job. You get an hour lunch and then you finish at five and he's on you to do your work. Your output, your performance is way better. You just don't enjoy it as much. And is that's what's happening at Man United? Because we've got players coming out saying they love this situation. But Ahmad last week did an interview talking about how he'd give the job to Carrick. He's been shit under Carrick and he was good under Amrim. And I'm a fan of Ahmad, you know I am, but he's not been very good under Carrick.

47:29I thought he was good under Amrim, but he likes it under Carrick. And people don't understand that. This is why you don't listen to players. You don't listen to players because that's you at work with a boss letting you play football manager compared to a boss that doesn't let you play football manager and you perform better. What you think you like doesn't necessarily make you perform, you know? If Arsenal are at the top of your league, there's a problem, says Robert McCormack. I think there's a, I mean, I'm going to do a video on that's football, Robert. There's a massive Premier League problem and we're miles off.

48:05Kstone says, Amorim performed so poorly that Carrick's results and league position make him look like an outstanding manager. Getting Champions League is priority now. Go Karaki. Six to seven players are required to be very competitive next year, says John Walker. Thank you very much for that as well. OK, so look, we've got Ben Jacobs coming up at two o 'clock. I'm looking forward to that show. By all means, get your comments in the chat for any questions you want to ask because I know Beth will come in and have a look for those in an hour or so. Thank you so much, everybody, for tuning in. We've got our preview for Chelsea tonight because obviously we're playing Saturday night.

48:38it feels weird to have another Man United game so quick I almost feel like we need to wait another couple of weeks so we've got the preview as well Thursday's where the weekend starts on United Stand we get the Ben Jacobs news on Tuesday at 2 o 'clock which is always vast and interesting and then we get the preview on our show tonight as well so thank you everybody for tuning in make sure you're smashing the like and subscribing take care whatever you're doing today Robert McCormack says is Rashford coming home I didn't talk about Rashford very very quickly I'll summarise this thank you Robert so Barcelona fans are on again that he's not good enough if Carrick stays and brings Rashford back he won't start off with full support of the fan base anyway and that'll just make it worse but no, seriously if Carrick brought Rashford back and Rashford started doing well how long would it last?

49:27and also what sort of message is that? you know, we may as well bring Oli back if we're going to bring Rashford back I mean, you know, what are we actually doing? if we keep going back to the past. You shouldn't go back. You should look forward. The club needs to walk forward. It's the biggest and fairest criticism of Ineos is they've done nothing new. They just keep doing what the Glazers are doing, but worse. They need to build their own identity. Take care, everyone. Stay safe. I'll speak to you on the next one.

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