433: Fernandes DEAL Close! NO Left Back DEAL?

0:01Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news, transfer news. Hope you're all doing well. Big news to get into straight away. Concrete official talks with Mateus Fernandes coming in from Fabrizio Romano. This is the sort of news I want to get in with. I'm fed up of all the chances and the people who don't actually have huge followings or credibility telling us stuff that we're meant to believe. when you get it from Ornstein or Romano or a couple of others, you know it's actually happening. So this is good news. Also, interesting stuff around Alex Scott, Anderson.

0:35Also, United maybe not looking at a left back and looking at a left winger. But then someone else says we're looking at a left winger and not a left back. Maybe we're looking at both. Maybe we're looking at a player who can do both. We'll talk about that as well. But let's delve straight into this big news this Friday morning as well. So basically, don't read. The best place to come is the United Stand on the 10 o 'clock show, because we'll break it down in detail. If you read a post on Instagram or X or wherever, it can be misinterpreted. So a lot of people were saying Man United are in official talks with Mateus Fernandes' agent, George Mendes, which is what Fabrizio Romano did say.

1:17But he also spoke for about another 30 seconds after that. There is more context to it. What he didn't say and what we can tell you is that, well, let's say what Fabrizio basically said. Man United have made official contact with George Mendes, who is the agent of Mateus Fernandes, to discuss a deal. They really like the player. they are doing that they have made that contact with a view to preparing a bid to take to West Ham United so that's there's more to it from Fabrizio but that's that's basically what he said official contact with George Mendes in it with a view to preparing a bid for West Ham now what we can tell you having made a couple of calls ourselves or to be honest WhatsApp messages Mateus Fernandes personal terms not a problem Terms agreed Man United will not prepare a bid for anybody Unless they have all that done Mateus Fernandes appreciates Man United Is interested in Manchester United And will take into account their offer If it's the best offer that West Ham get We'll talk more about that in a minute So terms agreed with Mateus Fernandes Is basically where we are at

2:43the problem we've got now is West Ham which again we'll talk about in a minute so is this good news well it is good news because it means Man United have got buy-in from the player it doesn't close the door on other clubs which we'll come to but effectively we know how Manchester United work and United will not start preparing bids unless they've got buy-in from the player Mateus Fernandes' terms were never a problem for Man United and have never been a problem for him he is not a player that's looking for over£150 ,000 a week and he is not a player that's looking for ridiculous signing-on fees he wants to make this move for his career he wants to move to a club where he can be part of a project for the next few years, get into the Portuguese team and compete for the big prices whether that's Arsenal, Man United, PSG, Real Madrid, Liverpool You know, he is interested in his career development more than he is saying, I want 200, 300 grand a week.

3:44And that means that for Man United, he's absolutely perfect because we don't want to pay silly wages, big wages, big. We don't want to do that. So terms agreed effectively with Mateus Fernandes based upon the conversations that we've had in the last few hours yesterday with George Mendes. The big question is, well, is a deal close? Yes and no. Fabrizio goes on to say that there are other clubs interested in Mateus Fernandes and it will now be an interesting race to see who gets him George Mendes is also the agent of Bernardo Silva who has just signed for Real Madrid there's also another development around Real Madrid that impacts Man United as well it's this midfield merry-go-round and you've got to keep in tune with it on a daily basis because things change all the time.

4:46Fabrizio basically said, Rodri from Man City to Real Madrid is now off. It won't happen this summer. Because Perez didn't want Rodri. It was the other candidate that wanted Rodri. So Rodri to Real Madrid is now off. It won't happen this summer. Which means Chumini to Man United is more unlikely because Rodri to Real Madrid would have forced him out. So Chiamini is probably unlikely now based on this update coming in this morning. And this is what I mean about pretenders projecting lies and bullshit to try and be first. It's the detail you get from the connections that Romano and Ornstein have that tell a bigger story.

5:34So what we've basically had in the early hours this morning is official talks with George Mendes for Mateus Fernandes from Man United to discuss a first bid with West Ham, which we know from who we've spoken to this morning means personal terms are agreed with Mateus Fernandes, wages, package, not a problem with that. So we can say terms agreed. Normally that would mean, okay, next stage deal done and it still could be. But as Fabrizio has said, yes we've got buy-in from the player but we haven't got exclusive buy-in from the player we haven't got the player saying I don't want anybody else apart from Man United what we've got is the player saying I'd love to come and play for Man United and if you can do a deal with West Ham I'll do it but other teams are in the race let's wait and see so it is advancing and it could and I would say what Simon Stone said last week I'd be surprised if we don't get Fernandes because if we don't get him where do we go now?

6:35So I'd be surprised if we don't get him, but there's still a bit of competition there. Also, Real Madrid not going for Rodri anymore probably means Ciumini stays, which closes another door. So in essence, we have to get this Fernandes deal done because suddenly the breaking news is he is now our top shelf signing. He's gone from there to there in the space of 12 hours. We were concerned slash debated whether Fernandes should be the Casemiro replacement. I think as things stand this morning, he is. Because if that yellow ball is Anderson, and if the book Duncan is Tenali, too expensive, and if the white ball is Cermini, then that's looking like it's off as well.

7:37So it looks like we're going to have to go all in on Fernandes and push him up to the marquee signing now and maybe get a Scott or a Belaber with him. Because Tonali, Cermini and Anderson just look like they're drifting away. Which for me, just to give you an opinion, I think that's unacceptable. I think we have three really viable Casemiro replacements and it looks like we've messed them all up. But that's a transfer market. Doesn't mean Fernandes can't end up being a superstar. And it is Man United. We do tend to not get plan A, B or C. So we've just got to move with what's available. I want to say as well, I'm very happy signing Fernandes.

8:20I wanted to sign Fernandes. I just didn't want him to be the marquee signing. I wanted him to be the second signing. And look, things can change very quickly. Maybe Man City pivot towards another midfielder and Chiamini becomes available again. We're only talking about Rodri. Maybe they go for Enzo Fernandes and then Rodri becomes available again. So, sorry, Chiamini becomes available again. Why do you have concerns that the deal won't get done, Mark?

8:48Only because, and I think this is really important, I think a deal for Fernandes is close. but the definition of close is very wide. You know, close could be bid goes in this weekend. Close could be bid goes in in two weeks. Close could be bid goes in at the weekend, gets rejected. Second bid goes in in two weeks, gets rejected. Third bid gets accepted in a month. We could be wandering into Embermo territory now. I think we've definitely got the buy-in of the player. There will be competition potentially, but we've got the personal terms done. And look, let me just say this as well. I don't know this, but PSG might talk to George Mendez officially and sort personal terms out and then talk about a bid with West Ham as well.

9:40George Mendes I'd like a little bit more clarity from Fabrizio on what George Mendes' involvement is with the bid because George Mendes isn't just an agent he's a super agent in the sense that he can put together deals so if we've sorted out personal terms with Mateus Fernandes through George Mendes and now we're talking to George Mendes to sort the bid out with West Ham that means George Mendes is negotiating the deal with West Ham, which is a lot better for us because that means he's working for us to get the deal done with West Ham, which means we're probably the only horse in the race. However, if we've only agreed terms with George Mendes and then he's off to do terms with PSG and Real Madrid, we're in a bidding war.

10:29So I'm hoping, and I am reading between the lines here, I've done a little bit extra to establish that we've agreed terms and that's not a problem. But what I'd like to know, and Fabrizio will have the answer, is, is George Mendes working on the deal with West Ham for us? And that's why we're talking about a bid because that's very different. If we've only sorted out personal terms with his client, there's going to be a potential race. And Fabrizio does hint at that there is still a race there. But his update did say, official talks, preparing a bid. Now I'm probably jumping the gun a little bit here.

11:09What I think he's saying is we've spoken to George Mendes to sort out personal terms. Now we're preparing a bid with West Ham. That's probably the logical step. But because he mentioned official talks with George Mendes and George Mendes can get involved in negotiating bids like he did with PSG for Jaunevez and Agathe Tahu as he masterminded that deal. He also masterminded the deal for Rioro. so he can get involved beyond the player to sort out the deal. Now, if we've got George Mendes helping us do the deal with West Ham, we'll get this deal done because that means he's representing us and his player to get a move to Man United.

11:46I don't know whether we're at that stage yet. It could be that we're at that stage, in which case we're home and hosed. It's just a matter about how long. If we've got to do the bid ourselves and he's still representing his client to other clubs, that's a bit different. So that was the big takeaway for me. What I would say is it could go like the Mbermo deal where we've got the personal terms done with the player. It could still take six weeks. One other concern I have or the major concern I have is West Ham. because Man City have got this problem with Forrest at the moment. In fact, brick in news, where we are with Fernandes, ironically, is exactly where Man City are with Anderson.

12:33They've obviously got the players' personal terms sorted. It's now about putting the bid in. And Forrest aren't accepting the bids from Man City. I think they've had two rejected. West Ham can reject our bids as well. So we could be six weeks away from this being official. So we might need a little bit of patience. And I would say that, please be patient. Because there are people out there who are just bullshitters, pushing stuff for credibility that they're never going to get because they don't really know what's going on. Romano and Ornstein will get the drop on this like they always do. But we'll get sucked into that void that we've been in for 10 years where United do take a long time to do deals.

13:17And within that time, there's people going, I'm hearing it's tomorrow. I'm hearing it's tomorrow. And it could take, and I'm not defending the club in any way, shape or form, but we do also have to be fair to the club and say they have shown in the past how they operate. Could be six weeks working a deal out with West Ham. The gap between personal terms agreed with the player and deal done with the club. we all know can be weeks. I mean, I think we did it in two with Sesco and Leipzig, but that was because there was competition from Newcastle. Honestly, if there's competition, it'll get done quicker.

13:56It's a great point. With Sesco, it was two weeks because there was competition with Newcastle. With Embermo, it was seven weeks because there was no competition. So in a way, it's a risk if other clubs are involved, but it will get done quicker. if we get a free run at him it could take weeks because we'll negotiate with um with West Ham so look it's a really good update certainly is a good update um but there's still a little bit of work to do and what I would say is if we don't get this deal done and I've not really heard anybody say they don't want Mateus Fernandes all I've heard people say is I'm a little bit concerned that he's going to be the star signing now.

14:37That's all we've really heard. What are your thoughts on it? My thoughts are, one way or another, we have to get this deal done because if it's Edison, Fernandes and Scott, it's still three midfielders. If it's Edison, Fernandes, and then something remarkable happens and it ends up being Tonali or Chumini still, that's a good summer. But what it can't be is Edison and we've missed out on Fernandes. We've missed out on Tonali. We've missed out on Chiamini. We've missed out on Anderson because then we're in big trouble. So I think one way or another, we've got to get this deal done and then assess it at the end.

15:19I'm hoping the competition isn't there. I'm hoping Real Madrid are looking elsewhere. I'm hoping PSG are looking elsewhere. I'm hoping Arsenal, who are being very quiet, are looking elsewhere. Arsenal worry me. they are so quiet at the moment but I'm hoping that we are we will get this deal done we can argue and debate about whether he should be the Casemiro replacement or the second midfielder later down the line let's get him in certainly because if we don't as I've said to you before for me there's five options to bring in two players there's Anderson, Chumini, Tonali Scott Fernandes I think we can nearly take four of them out already if Fernandes doesn't come so and Scott's not necessarily easy if Iriola decides he wants him at Liverpool so there's a lot yeah there's a lot to go for Ian Jones very interesting sorry let me let me just talk to you about Anderson very quickly because somebody said do you think Anderson's still possible with Man City preparing to walk away now there was a couple of stories I mean look a couple of interesting stories from last night.

16:32Obviously, we were alive a little bit early because of the World Cup. The article that Luckhurst did in The Sun, apparently he edited it after he'd put it out saying that Lewis Hall hasn't asked to leave,

16:47which means it apparently no longer says Lewis Hall wants to leave Newcastle. It just states he would be open to joining Manchester United. As I said last night, for me, that story wasn't new anyway it was basically what Ben Jacobs and Sam C have been saying for a couple of weeks that you know Lewis Hall wasn't happy with the end of the season at Newcastle and would be open to a move to Man United if it happened but what was interesting is that a couple of people reported last night that Man City are considering walking away from a deal to sign Elliot Anderson after having a hundred million plus 20 million in add-ons rejected by Forrest um marionakis holding out for the overall fee being paid in full um so apparently that's like a second bid that they've had rejected um and they might walk away rob dawson also espn saying man united are ready to pull out of the race to sign man united

17:48sorry rob dawson this is about man united rob dawson ready to pull out of the race for elliot Anderson their initial value uh ovation of the player between 80 and 90 um has obviously been superseded by Manchester City so yeah that's sorry I was getting a bit confused there so Man City are thinking of walking away because Forest have rejected a bid of 100 million plus 20 Man United walked away according to Rob Dawson because they valued in between 80 and 90 million so um i mean look to be honest with you i think as i said last night who who who in the football club is valuing players because 80 or 90 million pounds for ellie anderson i'm sorry they've got that completely wrong that it was it was just never going to be that it was never going to be that we were never going to get anywhere near that but um there was an interesting question here interesting super chat here i just wanted to just touch on it because um it's very very relevant and I can't see it now

18:55let me run through them and I'll find it Rajaf says what's your thoughts on Bernardo Silva here we go none Man City player going to Real Madrid not bothered I don't think it makes any interest I still think they'll buy another midfielder as well loved the show last night says Amir it's important to remember that overspending is bad only when you pay for the wrong players Maguire, Sancho, Mount We see others spend big on real gems and get rewarded. Yes, it just reminded me of something, Amir. Great point. I get clipped up a lot and some people send me the clips of stuff. And there was basically a bit last night where I was talking about Andy Cole for 7 million in 1995.

19:37Ruud van Nistelrooy in the early noughties for like 30 million. Rooney. all these players if you take inflation into account would be north of 100 billion pound signings it's just simple facts so somebody said how dare you compare elliot anderson to andy cole we can't keep paying silly money for silly players and and thankfully most of the replies were like you're an idiot you didn't listen to what he said um i don't mind if people don't want to pay 120 million pounds for Elliot Anderson. That's absolutely fine. That's what opinion is all about. That's not what my point was. My point is Man United have always paid big transfer fees for players that they want.

20:20We've always done it. It's not new. It's new to not do it. We've always done it. And we were always very successful doing it. Rio Ferdinand, Rooney, Van Nisselrooy, Roy Keane Andy Cole we've always paid big fees to bring in big players to Manchester United that's what we do and that's what I'm saying so what my point is I've got no doubt that Man City are offering Elliot Anderson north of 250 grand a week no doubt about it absolutely they did it with Gehi I think they did it with Semenyu they will be offering him north of 250 grand a week. We won't do that. They're offering north of 100 million pounds.

21:07We won't do that. This is not about Elliot Anderson. This is about a club that won't pay those fees anymore. And that's fine on Elliot Anderson. But what I'm saying to you is there is a club that will pay north of 250 grand a week and north of 100 million pounds to get the player they want. We won't do it. It's not about what you think. It's about a club that won't do it. So what about, and I say this to all those fans who say, no, they're doing the right thing. They're walking away. Think of the best player that you would like Man United to sign. And then I will tell you, we won't pay the wage and we won't pay the transfer fee.

21:49Are you still happy to walk away? And I think this is where some people aren't thinking. We're not making it about Elliot Anderson, we're saying Man United now, under this ownership, don't pay big wages and don't pay big transfer fees, but other clubs will. So it's all right you walking away, but you're also walking away from Premier Leagues and Champions Leagues because we won't win them with this ownership because they will walk away from any deal over£100 million or£250 a week. So tap them on the back about Elliot Anderson, by all means, you might be right. But where's the deal where we won't walk away?

22:28It doesn't exist. We will not do these deals anymore. And this is what I mean. Some of our fans are applauding this ownership because they're walking away from this deal, not realising they'll walk away from every deal like this in the future. they will never do it again. And how are we supposed to win when Arsenal will do it, Liverpool will do it, Chelsea will do it, Man City will do it. There's four clubs in England that will do what we won't do anymore. We won't pay over£100 million and we won't pay over£200 a week. So yeah, Elliot Anderson, if you don't think he's worth it, absolutely fine.

23:05I don't agree with you, but I get it. I absolutely get it. But what you don't get is we're not going to do it for a play you do want to do it for. We're not going to do that anymore. That's what they're saying. We're not buying players over 80 million pounds anymore. We're not buying players over 200 grand a week anymore. We're just not going to do it. That was there yesterday from Ben Jacobs. It's been mentioned by David Ornstein. So forget Elliot Anderson. My concern is they talk about winning leagues. They talk about winning champions leagues, but we're not willing to pay the wages or the fees to get the players in to do it.

23:43Now, Elliot Anderson might not be that player. Tonali might not be that player. But we won't pay for them anyway, and we won't pay for the players that are. And the scary thing is, Man City will. Man City gave Gehi from Crystal Palace over 250 grand a week. They're giving Anderson from Nottingham Forest over 250 grand a week. They pay Haaland 400 grand a week. How do we compete with this if we're not willing to do it? And what baffles me is the fans that go, I agree. Well, I hope you agree when Carrick's getting sacked because he hasn't got the players. I hope you agree when you're moaning about us not winning titles.

24:24You can't have both. We're a football club. We're not a business. If you want to win in entertainment sport, you need to spend. And the ironic thing is we used to do it. We used to pay the big wages. we used to pay the big transfer fees. Roy Keane, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Andy Cole, Van Nisaroy. This is what our history was built on. We go and get the best players. And now we're not doing it. So you can moan at me all you like, but tell me what I've said wrong in the last two minutes. Because I acknowledge you might want to walk away from Elliot Anderson for£120 million, but we're going to keep walking away from every deal.

25:02And some players, you do need to spend£100 million on. and some players you do need to spend over 200 grand a week on. And we're a club that's not doing it anymore. And some of you are applauding the club for being that. And I can't get my head on that. I can't understand it. I can't understand why we've got fans who are saying, I agree with us not paying big fees and big wages anymore. Well, we won't win then, will we? We won't win because Arsenal are doing it, Chelsea are doing it, Liverpool are doing it and City are doing it. Liverpool bought two players over£110 million last summer. Chelsea have bought players over£100 million.

25:38Arsenal have bought players over£100 million. And Man City are willing to take what it takes to get there. And that's my frustration. It's not about Elliot Anderson. It's about the message from this football club that we're no longer going to be willing to buy players over£100 million or over£200 grand a week. Well, what are we doing then? And why are we applauding it? imagine next season the next Wayne Rooney comes along and everybody wants him we will be linked to him all season like we were Elliot Anderson and then in the summer we'll go we're not getting in a bidding war we're not willing to pay 100 million pounds but they will be worth 100 million pounds the next Wayne Rooney will be worth 100 million pounds and he'll be worth 250 grand a week the next Roy Keane will be worth 100 million pounds and he'll be worth 250 grand a week The next band Nisaroy will be worth£100 million and he'll be worth£250 grand a week.

26:34And we won't do that deal. And that's my point. It's not about Elliot Anderson. We're just not willing to do those deals anymore. And people are applauding it. We can't do it. We can't do it. Why can't we do it? Because we can't afford it. Well, we can. And also you're worrying about the debts that this fucking ownership put on this football club. If we didn't have that debt, we'd be loaded and we're not loaded because of this ownership. So basically you're applauding owners who've fucked us over and I don't mind if we don't get Elliot Anderson but at some point we do need to start buying those types of players.

27:10Casemiro, the pedigree of Casemiro is uncharted. The leadership, the tackles, the goals he was scoring, the influence on the team. He is a leader in that team and we're replacing him with what? A guy from Brazil who's never played in the Premier League. A lad who's just been relegated with West Ham and hasn't got any experience. Like, why are we not writing? If we're not going to write the checks to replace Casemiro, I mean, I don't know. Then you've got Barada saying we're going to win the league next year or the year after. Look, it can still happen. You know, maybe Man United write a check for Tonali tomorrow for 100 million quid and they give him 250 grand and I'll go.

27:52This is what you need to do. If they do the things, I'll applaud it. But tell me I'm wrong. It feels to me like we're a club that is basically being applauded by sections of our fans for being unambitious. We're not going to do the things we've always done to be successful. We won't go and spend big money. and look, I haven't worked out inflation but tell me what Rooney was on and what we paid him when we got him tell me what Rio was on when we got him and what we paid him with inflation, it would be north of 100 million Anders says, what do you think about Fernandes, do you think we will get the third midfielder, I mean Anders if we only sign Fernandes and Edison, I won't be crying but I will be going what are we doing then?

28:48What are we doing? And that's the thing. The midfield for me needed to be one of Chiamini, Anderson and Tonali, one of Fernandes, Scott and Stilla and we've got Edison and I'd be very happy with that. FIFA force players to have a release clause, says Old Trafford. I mean, it's not coming yet but there is talk about it. Patrick Lynch, I hope you're doing very well this morning, says could Mateus Fernandes be like the Yoros signing and we can somehow get a centre midfield equivalent of Adelit. Cheat price but experienced. Issue is we get linked to everyone and anyone, so would that even be? Look, Patrick, in a very balanced way, I know for a fact Man United are talking to more than Fernandes.

29:26And this doesn't get reported by the know-it-alls because they just want to be first on Fernandes. We are talking to other midfielders. It wouldn't be a shock to me if United suddenly pivoted to another signing before Fernandes. And I'll leave it there. it would not surprise me if we signed somebody else before Fernandes and I'll leave it there doesn't mean we won't get Fernandes I just would not be surprised if whilst Fernandes is being negotiated we pop in and do something else so we are talking to other players but and we do need somebody with experience as well Andre says I have to say that I love Fernandes and I think he will be world-class but the reason PSG Madrid can go for him is because they already have a solid midfield never wanted him as the marquee as much as i like him says andre gomez um rasla says hi look i like fernandez i've got to be honest i haven't seen anything in the games i've watched that make me think he's going to be world class i think there's a lot of united fans making out he's going to be world class and i don't trust them because i've heard them say a lot of things about other players as well i think he's a very good player otherwise he wouldn't have the players that are looking at him but looking at him in the games I've seen he doesn't strike me as the next Steven Gerrard or the next Roy Keane you know or the next Kante I'm hoping he can be I think he's good but I think we need to be very careful about what we're expecting from him in his first season because even if he is going to be the next big thing it's going to take a bit of time for him to adjust I wouldn't be this is why I wouldn't sign him as the marquee signing.

31:01I don't think he's going to come in and hit the ground running. I think we're going to have to be patient. And the problem with patience is look at Dorgou, look at Ahmad, look at Mbamo. There isn't a lot of patience in this fan base. I mean, it's another great point, isn't it? We don't really have a patient fan base anymore. You know, people get on at people if they don't hit the ground running. Is Mateus Fernandes going to hit the ground running straight away? Interesting. Apparently, Ruben Amrim might be the next AC Milan manager. That's just come out there. I mean, we're not going to dwell on that, but could be.

31:41Noose1 says, I love all these numbers, but I'm really happy we're in the Champions League and also how our team developed. I believe we just need to be more consistent from now on, regardless of who comes in or not. A very simple but true statement. Thank you. Razzler says, I've got an interesting take. I think Anderson could end up staying at Forest. City may expect a transfer ban or points deduction, so they're doing business early. Anderson to United next summer, possible.

32:07Razzler, you know what? I think you've sort of, I mean, this is not the Man City stand, but some of us wanted to sign Elliot Anderson. I think you might have nailed it. I think Man City are wary of a transfer ban, and I think they're trying to get business done quickly. But I also think Forrest know that, and they know Man City are chasing the clock. So I think they've gone, well, if you want this deal, it's 120 million, which most of us look at and go, that's incredible. But I think Man City are chasing a clock. So I think that Man City are in a, and I think this is why Man City is saying they might go for Tonali.

32:45I think they want to get someone in before the end of June. I think they think something's coming with this court case and they won't know what's coming. They might get away with it. They might be found not guilty. But I definitely think they're not moving slowly on this. They're trying to move it really quick and you might be onto something. Gamer King says, in your opinion, if we get Fernandes, what non-top-shelf players would bring the most balance as the last slot to the midfield four?

33:18Gamer, you've got to work with the scenario, haven't you? So if you've got Fernandes, Edison and Mainu, I'd be desperate for someone like Chiamini or Tonali because it's very inexperienced with Edison, Maynou and Fernandes but you've said that they're not available and they probably won't be available so Fernandes, Maynou, Edison are inexperienced what do I do? I mean, I still think Stila's worth a punt he's nearly 25 I still think he's worth a punt but he's not Premier League proven and so Scott probably but again he is inexperienced it's a punt going with such an inexperienced midfield and an inexperienced coach Lewis Hall uh Eddie have the same agent it's a problem it's old Trafford uh Malik and from last night's show I put Pogba into AI and the price we paid would be the equivalent to 165 million today unambitious prats I wonder if you can do that Let me have a quick look.

34:21With inflation, why I've always got caps lock on with inflation, how much would.

34:43so this i typed in there with inflation how much would rio ferdinand have cost united today the center back set a new british record when moving uh to manchester united uh from leeds Ferdinand's move would be the equivalent of over£150 million today adjusted for inflation.

35:09And we did get good value for money. Wayne Rooney. I mean, this is AI, so it won't be totally accurate. Adjusted for football-specific inflation and revenue growth, Wayne Rooney's 30 million transfer from Everton to Man United in 2004 would cost between, you see, I like this one better. So Rooney's 30 million transfer from Everton to Manchester United in 2004, so 22 years ago, would today be between 118 and 177 based on football specific inflation and revenue growth. So Rooney cost us 30 million in 2004. In 2026, that deal would be the equivalent of somewhere between 118 and 170 million. And this is my point.

36:02This is exactly my point. We've paid these fees before. and so Jim Madcliffe and the Glazers know we've paid them but they think we're stupid so they'll go no Rooney only cost 30 million well that 30 million in 2004 is the equivalent of over 120 million now so we've always we've always done these deals ambitiously to try and be the best and what you're saying is that won't happen now we won't do it um

36:34i've got one on andy cole here as well oh no that's me it's me on facebook okay um from last night's show thank you very much ian you've prompted an interesting conversation there amir says i think the real reason the fan base worry about spending 100 million is fact that board gets sets budgets like 250 and this is when people start calculating and worry because we need seven or eight players to be competitive yeah but you're not amir i don't think you're wrong but We shouldn't be dancing to their tune anyway We're a very wealthy football club And we shouldn't be working to budgets

37:12Sorry, I've got a few comments coming in here And they're good Martin says, if it's a bidding war, we'll win And pay over the odds There's only two decent midfielders coming in then I don't acknowledge that, Martin I don't know what you're talking about Again you're acting like you work for the Glazers And you think you know what the budget is Man United can afford to buy Three midfielders and spend 200 million pounds easily Getting concerned about our Height on set pieces Lewis Hall, Fernandes, Cunha and Bermot Aren't that tall or physical, only Maguire and Sesco Are capable to sunrise it, yeah but you're also Buying players we haven't bought yet

37:55Seth says nearly 200 million for three players to improve the attack last season. We need this level of dedication again for our midfield. I want Liao for the left wing. Thank you very much, Seth. Goldfridge says, the lack of experience is one thing, but the balance of the midfield scares me as well. Maynus, Scott, Fernandes, Edison, all number eights with Bruno in front. We could be very open next season. Yeah, I do wonder who the defensive midfielder is going to be. Pains me to say this, but at least Ed Woodward would have done it, says George. And Alm Amir says, also, it would look like, okay we're not overpaying for transfers for sake of more players but are we i'm afraid we end up overpaying on lower quality well the the the funny thing is amir is that we're probably going to overpay on fernandez but because it's less than 70 million people don't see it as overpaying but if a player's worth 55 and you play 75 you've overpaid by 20 million if a player's worth 100 million and you pay 120 you've paid you've overpaid by 20 million it's it's the same thing the value of the player and how much you overpay by we are we won't overspend on above average players as sunrises but i hope we'll overpay for players like harland and bappe if they're open to joining us no chance we won't pay we won't we won't overspend on it we won't pay for anyone mate we're not going to pay for big fees anymore they won't do it would you pay 180 million for Anderson no would you rather Tonali and Hall for 120 million or just Anderson yeah but Richard I don't know whether you're a glazer bot because you're just making up stuff you're making it acceptable not to sign Elliot Anderson on a pretense that we get Tonali and Hall for the same price which we won't so I'm not I'm not gonna answer the question because I think it's a trap Moose one says it's the first time I agree with you never thought the day would come but nail on the hammer you're right no more compromising we need players who need us as united and our culture says the moose one i said this a while back we'll have to change their game plan about not paying the wages and fees it's like they're they're okay for the bare minimum says ray ray i hope you're doing well my my my fear has always been that we're being sold lies to hide the truth which is ultimately what a lie is and what i mean by that is you know you get barada saying if we don't win the league next year we can win it the league the the year after, how much excitement did that cause?

40:15You know, all season when we said Elliot Anderson's the priority, how much excitement did that cause? It's fake positivity to keep you quiet and happy, to stop protests, to stop people not buying shirts. We're basically being manipulated to spend money on lies. We're going to win the league. We're going to buy Elliot Anderson. And none of these things are actually going to happen because they're not doing the things for them to happen. My concern is, the truth is, fourth place for the next five years while we build a stadium. How do we achieve fourth place? Well, we don't buy players over 80 million pounds and we don't buy players over 200 grand a week.

40:59We just hold on to fourth for dear life for four or five years and build a stadium. That's my fear. Now, it's complete speculation and you can call it nonsense, you can call it a hot take, you can call it genius. I don't know. It's just my fear. Because the behavioural traits of the club are not that of an ownership that wants to spend money and wants to win. Michael Carrick was unambitious, if we're being honest, and cheap. And also, very similar to Oli, and they ignored it. They ignored the fact that Carrick wasn't playing great football but was getting good results and went, let's do it again.

41:39And he's cheap. and he's a coach, not a manager. So they've gone cheap on the coach. We're now going cheap on the midfield in relation to we won't spend the big money. My fear is, for all the pretense about, you know, they were happy to get linked to Anderson, they were happy to get linked to Tenali, and then we're not doing it. They're happy to say we're going to win the league in the next two years, but if it doesn't happen, what happens? Nothing. I just I'm scared that actually the plan in the boardroom is as long as we get Europa League football or finish fourth or fifth for the next five years we're okay because there's a very big difference between a football club that wants to finish fourth and a football club that wants to finish first you're talking hundreds of millions of pounds of investment you know if you want to win if you want to finish first you're buying 100 million pound players and you're paying 250 a week.

42:32If you want to finish fourth, you don't need to do that. Time will tell. I don't know. I'd label contract renewal keeping players like Mount, Maguire, Deleuze, Shaw, Agate as overspending to moving out as is important as moving in. Amir, you know what? It's never been reported because this sort of stuff is incredible at being buried under the carpet. But remember when we renewed Harry Maguire. Everyone said, I'd keep him for another year if he takes a wage cut to 100 grand a week. Remember everybody said that? I'd give him another year if he goes down to 100 grand a week. We gave him another year on the same wage.

43:13He's still on somewhere between 150 and 200 grand a week. We didn't reduce it. So we won't overpay for players that will make us better but we will overpay for players that shouldn't be on that wage. We're happy to give Mason Mount 250 grand a week, which is incredible. The club is riddled with hypocrisy. They put statements out about we're not going to do this anymore and they're literally still doing it. The ownership is turning the club into a mid-table club. No ambition, says Alan. I don't think we'll become a mid-table club, Alan. I think that we can still get fourth or fifth every year but I don't know about you but I'm not happy with fourth or fifth.

44:03I'm absolutely fed up that we've been away from first for so long. That's where we should be. But I don't think we have that. I don't think... I'd love to get proved wrong but I think all the signs are there that our boardroom doesn't want to win league titles. I think they just want to finish fourth. You can't win Formula One and afford focus either. Need to spend to win, says BJ. Well, unfortunately, and again I'd like to be wrong on this but unfortunately not even just in competitive sport but in competition predominantly the people who win consistently are the people who spend the money the Italian League La Liga look at the Scottish League nobody has won the title apart from Rangers and Celtic since 1985 or 4 that's not You know, hearts fell short.

45:01Rangers and Celtic spend the big money in that league. They're the big clubs and they win it every year. Real Madrid and Barcelona win it every year, virtually. Bayern Munich win it nearly every year. PSG win it every year. What have they got in common? They buy the best players. They spend the money.

45:23pains me to say this but edward would pay and get these deals done says george welcome to members club mike mate thank you very much uh hi mark just woke up to sangari rumors he's a decent rotational player do you think there is anything in that or just pure speculations as energy vibes uh well thanks for waking up mate um and joining the show uh i'm not thanking me waking up. I mean, thank God you woke up. The point is, why would you buy a good rotational player? Is Edison not that? Fernandes will need some time. Maynou will need some time. Where's the experienced starter? That's my concern about this midfielder.

46:03Where is the experienced Casemiro coming into this team, which we will need? Where is it? Will signing Tonali for£100 million affect the price for Fernandez or any other midfielder we sign after also would you sign a right back I love the show says old Trafford Malik well it's interesting just to talk about that very very quickly thanks everyone who's tuning in this morning by the way make sure you smash a like and subscribe uh we are live at seven my my my shows last night caught a lot of people out I don't know why seven o 'clock tonight 7 p.m uk time because there's a world cup game at eight o 'clock so we were live a little bit early last night um i i saw something from ty marshall in the manchester evening news saying that united are going to go for a left back not a left winger but then ben jacobs said yesterday man united are more likely to go for a left winger and not a left back so there seems to be a little bit of confusion at the moment about what united are going to do down that side don't forget we are capable of doing other deals other than a midfielder i don't think we're going to sign a right back, Malik.

47:12I really don't think we will. I think with Masraoui and Deleu, they'll stick with it for another season. But you know what? You know what annoys me? Is that, again, I think, hopefully it comes across that a lot of the things I question come down to how the club is run and why some of our fans champion it. Now, I don't know why. Maybe they're getting little backhanders of information. I don't know what it is. Maybe they want backhanders of information. I don't know why it is that they glaze the club. But it's so logical to me that a lot of the things the club do are really scary. Like, as I said, with the Elliot Anderson thing, it's not really him.

47:54It's the obvious message that we're not going to spend£100 million on players anymore. And we're not going to spend over£200 ,000 a week on wages anymore, which completely wipes its arse on our history. Because we've always done it, and we've been very successful doing it. We've always bought big players and given them big wages if they were the right player. And now we're not going to do it. And our rivals are going to do it. So surely we're going to fall further and further behind. The second thing that bothers me is this whole, last year was the forward line, this summer it's the midfield, and next year it might be the defence.

48:24Well, what football club does that? There's no logic to kicking it down the road. Why didn't we buy a midfielder last summer with the attackers? The money was there. why didn't we buy a midfielder in January the money was there we bid for Semenu why are we only doing the midfield this year and not the defence as well why do we always kick things down the road Real Madrid won't do that Arsenal don't do that Liverpool don't do that Man City don't do that so again it's another example of falling further behind if we're not going to buy the big players they will and if we're not going to solve all our problems in one summer they will So let me get my head around this We're not going to buy the best players anymore And we're not going to solve all our problems in one summer anymore Well we're going to fall behind then aren't we?

49:17Go back to the car analogy right A new season's coming Everyone else has bought really good equipment for their car We've bought mediocre equipment And everyone else has solved all the problems in their car And we've solved half of them We're not going to win the bloody race are we? It's just very obvious And if we are going to win the race It's going to be pure luck And it won't be sustainable We might do a Leicester But it won't be sustainable Surely As a Man United fan We want to win consistently And we're not putting the fundamentals in place to do that And the scary thing is More and more of our fans are swallowing this shit And saying it tastes like chocolate mousse It's nice I just don't get it Indoctrinated into this ownership which is terrifying because they're business people who've got no care for this football club at all.

50:12I think football is really simple and I think winning in football is really simple. I've watched football for over 40 years and the teams that win, including us, spent money. I'm not ashamed to say it. Where you get that money from and how you got that money should be scrutinised, Chelsea, Man City. and if you do it wrong, you should be punished. But every football team that's been successful spends money. And any fan that goes, yeah, but you won by spending money, piss off. Where have you been? Under a rock? You have to spend big money to win. You have to do it. If you spend the money wrong, you'll lose.

50:53But you have to spend. If I gave you Man United tomorrow and said you're the new owner of Man United, what would you do? You'd spend money. You wouldn't go, well, we spent a lot of money in the last decade. I don't want to do it again. You'd go, well, they spent it badly. We have to spend to win. And it's incredibly sad that a football club with the history that Man United have got is becoming a football club that has fans that agrees that we shouldn't spend money.

51:24Because football's entertainment. It's not your bank balance. football's entertainment it's passion I want the best players if Jamal was available and he wanted to play for Man United he'd want us to spend the money I think some people would go 200 million is too much they would though wouldn't they if Jamal wanted to come to Man United and it was his dream and Barcelona said this deal only gets done for 200 million there would be people in our fan base going it's too much and I think that's so sad I think it's so sad because I'm like it's Jamal I don't care about the 200 million pounds like and that's what we used to be like no one ever used to talk about transfer fees when Ronaldinho was going to come you know when we got Rooney there was no fans going we shouldn't be doing this it's stupid money and yet we have got it now um do you think we'll buy a left back sorry Rashford um interesting story this morning I think it was in the Manchester Evening News as well Bayern Munich are becoming more interested in Rashford.

52:28What did I tell you? I said this weeks ago. I can see Rashford at Bayern Munich next season. And I think it's a great deal for everybody. I mean, I've watched a lot of the Bundesliga on That's Football because we've got the rights. But Bayern Munich, Rashford, that would be a bloody good deal for him. And I think that Bayern Munich would get a lot out of it. And what we got to remember is I saw somebody online saying, oh, Bayern Munich should swerve that. I was like, what are you on about? Bayern Munich should swerve that. He went on loan to Villa, did really well. He went on loan to Barcelona, did really well.

53:01And he's in the World Cup squad for England. He'd tear it up at Bayern. It'd be very good. I mean, Bayern went for Nicholas Jackson for a year. Rashford's 10 times better than him. So look, some people still think he's going to Barcelona and maybe he wants to go there. But I'm telling you now, Bayern would be a great move for him. Really, really good. Would you take Phil Foden? No, Kiel. If we don't get Anderson, Chiumini or Tonali, I'll settle for Fernandes and Stilla, says Razzler. Bruno was promised signings to stay. He will leave, says Francis. I don't think Bruno gives a shit about that. I might be wrong.

53:39I don't think Bruno Fernandes cares about whether we sign Elliot Anderson or Tonali. I think Bruno loves being the main man at Man United and believes the hype that we can be a good team next season. I don't think Bruno's going to say, you didn't buy Elliot Anderson, I'm leaving. I think Bruno's staying no matter what. I don't think Bruno is thinking about the transfer window and whether he's going to stay or not. I think he's already staying. The club can't be scared of big signings being flops. They happen. If we stopped making big signings because of Verón, we'd never have gone for Rooney. What a great comment of the day, good 34.

54:14You're exactly right. We spent a lot of money on Verón. Verón would have been the equivalent of over£100 million signing when we bought him because I think we spent 34 million on him he flopped it didn't prevent us going buying other players uh Mark you said to my question you would not pay 180 for Anderson so some fans have this stance for one time one two five fans know we need five to seven players I knew you were going to come back with an absolutely idiot idiotic take Samuel thank you very much for proving my theory your point doesn't stand at all I think you sat there chewing on your cornflakes thinking you've dropped a microphone.

54:50You haven't. You've dropped a brick on your foot and that's your brain telling you out. There's no correlation with that at all. You can't say to somebody, would you pay 180 for Anderson? No, I wouldn't. Well, that proves why we shouldn't buy him because his price is 120, mate. And if we really want him, we should sign him the same way we signed Rooney, the same way we signed Andy Cole. And also, you haven't answered my point. you're doing exactly what that NABED did online you're not listening I don't care about whether you want Elliot Anderson or not my statement to you is this football club is not going to sign players for£100 million anymore and we're not going to pay over£200 ,000 a week anymore that's the message from this football club and you're happy with that well I hope you're happy with not winning league titles because Man City will do it Arsenal will do it Chelsea will do it and Liverpool will do it so how are we going to win when we've got owners that won't spend big money anymore, which is what we always did to win in the past.

55:52We always spent big money. Putting a limit on how much you spend is basically implementing the Tottenham model and hoping to win with it. Absolute disgrace to aim for mediocrity, says BRT. Vic says, off-topic situations like last night and the Arsenal-West Ham game proved the need to go back to the build-up of a foul. The South African guy was fouled and tried to run forward and no intent to hit the Mexico guy. Normal will try and get free. well that's vix talking about the world cup um look i'm very interested in the world cup mate but this is the united stand um just a little note by the way if we've got any americans watching the show today you can tune into that's football uh at 2 a.m uk time because i'm doing the first early hours watch along uh it's tomorrow morning um for the opening usa game um why does anderson want to join city winning one premier league with united is better than five with city he'd be a rockstar says simon mate again he hasn't turned man united down because we haven't bid we haven't even offered him terms so this myth that anderson turned man united down we never even put an offer in uh hypothetically if we get in a bidding war with city for anderson and we bid 130 the fan base would go mental lose lose situations as lil i'd be i'd be over the moon i wouldn't give a shit if he's our dream target and everyone in our boardroom is saying that he's our priority and we go out and get him I'm not bothered Could a surprise January window be on the cards, says Kiel No, Kiel, sometimes I genuinely think you're a bot I figured it out and I've wanted to say it for a long time, mate It's the summer and you're talking about January which we never do anything in you're constantly dropping about the labour I reckon I've exposed Kiel I genuinely think he's a glazer bot 80 million for Chumini or 60 million for Hall as Mark E signing well Lewis Hall's not a midfielder mate we need a midfielder so I'd go Chumini Will that's Stratford Signal Will signing Tonali for 100 million effect I've done that one as well Mark I was frustrated when Sir Alex Ferguson skipped Hazard Lucas Moura Aguero Silva I have a feeling you're at a similar state with Anderson but he as talented as those players were back then to Sunrider.

58:11Look, I don't want to make it about Elliot Anderson because I think people get locked into that very small argument. My debate point is the club have said they don't want to spend over£80 million on players and they don't want to spend£200 ,000 a week or more on players either. Every big rival does it. So why don't we want to do it anymore? I think it's disgusting. On Elliot Anderson, personally, I think he's great I think he's a brilliant player I think he's all action I think he does everything I think he's a brilliant brilliant player and I think he's a Man United player but he's not going to be a Man United player

58:53and there's going to be a lot more of them as I said if the next Wayne Rooney came along we wouldn't buy him Man City would if the next Roy Keane came along we wouldn't buy him Arsenal would we're not in those conversations anymore and that's scary and the club are telling us we're not in those conversations anymore we're not buying those types of players anymore we're not buying plan a b or c we're we're buying d e and f and we're probably going to overpay for them but look there is a lot of the window left and uh we started on a positive so we'll finish on a positive uh things are definitely moving on fernandez personal terms are agreed there may be competition there i'm hoping George Mendez is involved in the bidding for us with West Ham.

59:37That could take a while. But, you know, let's wait and see. Take care, everyone. Stay safe. And we're back at two o 'clock. And don't forget seven o 'clock show tonight because we'll cut watch along at eight. Speak to you in a bit. Great show today. Really enjoyed it.