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1:21There are some midfield updates too. And Michael Carrick has dropped an interview with some very, you know what? If this was not a transfer window, this interview from Michael Carrick would be very big as he talks about, well, potential big promises in the transfer window, but also big promises next season. Stylistically, he wants Man United playing a good brand of football winning games, which we didn't get last season. So we'll delve into that as well. Lots to get into this morning. Hope you're doing well. I am tired this morning. I was literally up at 4, well, I was with some of you at 4am.

1:52So I've not had, I'm definitely not at about six. I've not had six hours sleep. I haven't. But I also feel very excited because I think we witnessed history last night. Alinal Messi, hat trick. We were live on That's Football for that. This is why you need to be watching the watchalongs. And I don't do Ronaldo or Messi. I do both. And I argue against it. You know, in our live chat last night, people were losing their shit on the Ronaldo or Messi thing. I've always said both. Ronaldo tonight. They are absolute legends of the game. And it was a pleasure to watch that last night with Messi. But bringing it back to Man United, I would also say, just before we get into the news from Romano, shame on those Man United fans who have, I mean, I never understood it.

2:33Some of you are with me, some of you are against me on this. Shame on those United fans who were talking about getting rid of Martinez. when Martinez is playing like that fit he's one of the best centre-backs in the world like he was flawless last night against a decent Algerian side bringing the ball out from the back playing a high line absolutely at ease I think that you know Martinez is a very important player for Manchester United and all this talk about centre-backs because of De Litt and Martinez Harry Maguire is going to be 34 next season Luke Shaw could be injury prone next season You know, who knows what's going to happen with Yoro.

3:10I think that Martinez is a very important player for us, staying fit. And that's why this World Cup is so important, because he's going to be playing every few days in a very competitive, intense environment. And if he comes through that unscathed, we've got a very good centre-back. Anyway, let's delve into the news this morning because there's quite a few bits to get through. We'll give you Fabrizio Romano's update on Mateus Fernandes. However, it's actually James Ducker in the Telegraph that I want to start off with because he says Manchester United are considering£120 million double deal for Somerville as part of their double raid on West Ham for the Netherlands winger and Mateus Fernandes.

3:46Now, it does go on to say that United are also wary of the situation and any move would depend on the Marcus Rashford situation and getting his wages off the books. Talks are ongoing with Somerville's West Ham teammate, Mateus Fernandes, but Man United are certainly looking at midfield options and then maybe player sales to bring in a wide player. They're also interested in Morgan Rodgers, who we've been snubbed by. We'll talk about that in a little bit. And I'm sort of, I think the Morgan Rodgers thing is quite interesting. We'll talk about that in a moment. But look, Mateus Fernandes is where we're going to start really, because Fabrizio Romano has dropped a big update.

4:29Obviously, the interest is still there in Somerville. I don't intend to spend loads of time talking about him because we spoke about him yesterday. But United are there with West Ham and considering a£120 million double deal. Now, I think that makes the deal worse for me, actually. I think yesterday we were talking about whether we take Somerville and it was more or less around 50-50. But my issues with it are good player, but definitely a plan D player. And also, I think, you know, I was watching Norway last night. I really like Noosa. We watched Yandere Monday the night before. There are players out there that I don't think United can hide behind a checkbook for.

5:09Like, yes, you've got the Amazon documentary. Yes, you've got Michael Carrick talking about good football. And yes, you've got Manchester United talking about winning titles in the next two years. You don't win titles signing Somerville. I think when I look at Somerville, how many of these West Ham players are really good? They got relegated. We've been linked to Jared Bowen. We've been linked to Somerville. We're going for Mateus Fernandes. People like Diouf. Wan-Bissaka is apparently still the best right back. I mean, that's half their team and they got relegated. Some of them are duds. They are.

5:36Now, I don't think Mateus Fernandes is a dud, but I do think that you've got to look at, you know, Somerville and go, I draw the line. I mean, I would not be comfortable spending£120 million on two West Ham players. So, look, I like Somerville, but let's get real. We're Manchester United trying to make a raid on a Premier League title in the next 24 months. You don't do that by doing a£120 million double deal with West Ham for a plan D winger. So there are wingers out there that can get me off the seat. There are wingers that are exciting. Their name's Jandiamonde or Noosa, and they both play for Leipzig.

6:16And I think that's where United need to be looking. It feels like with Somerville, it's a little bit optimistic and opportunistic. Oh, we're here dealing with Mateus Fernandes. They've got a winger, but I can't see it happening. I don't think it will happen. And to be honest with you, I hope it doesn't. I don't mind the player, but it feels a little bit low bar to me. And also looking at, you know, you do your research, you look at a lot of comments about Somerville last season for West Ham and the best place to go is West Ham fans. And they're frustrated and angry about getting relegated or concerned about getting relegated throughout the season.

6:51And what you constantly see is, you know, Somerville's too inconsistent. Somerville's great on his day, but he's inconsistent. And is that what we want? Do we want another Ashley Young? I don't think we do. I think we need another Ronaldo. I think we need another Antonio Valencia. We need consistency down the wing. That's what we need. Anyway, let me talk to you about Mateus Fernandes because Fabrizio Romano has just dropped an update in the last few hours. Might not be the update you want, but I would say there's good and bad in this. We will talk about Carrick's interview in a minute. We will talk about Morgan Rodgers and a few things about the midfield too.

7:29But let's talk about this update from Romano because again, yet again, some people don't listen. They take what they want and they move on. So you get some people saying, we're going to bid in the next few hours. You know, United are going to get this deal done in the next few hours. And he didn't say that. And this is why I love this community because it's accountability and not necessarily from me. If I say something wrong, someone will be in the chat. Chile says, is there an Anderson update? I mean, I could give you an Anderson update. I think the reality is it's coming towards a deal for Man City, not us.

8:01But this is what Fabrizio Romano had to say. He said, look, Man United are going to be smart about this deal. There is direct ongoing contact between West Ham's representatives and Mateus Fernandes' representatives and Manchester United. Nothing urgent at the moment. Man United are wanting to make at least one more midfield signing and Mateus Fernandes is obviously high on their list. Man United will not be rushed into this. They know what they want to pay. West Ham won£85 million and obviously in the next hours and days things can happen on this deal. But not urgent at the moment in relation to, you know, forcing a deal.

8:48There are more clubs interested. So Man United are aware that they've got to be careful. but they're relaxed around the deal. So you know what? It's probably, remember I said on Monday, I expect Man United to do something this week. I don't think we can afford, I'm sort of looking at this transfer window in weeks. And if you think about a transfer window, there's probably what, 12 to 15 weeks in a transfer window. And we need to be bringing in five, six, seven, eight players. If you figure that out, you've got to be doing something every couple of weeks. And effectively, if you're going to do a deal every couple of weeks or every three weeks, every week, there needs to be progress on those deals.

9:29So I think at the moment, we haven't really had any progress on this deal since last week. We're in exactly the same position we were middle of last week, where we're in contact with his agent. He wants to come to Man United, but West Ham wants 85 million pounds. Now we can wait till the end of June. We can wait another two weeks till the end of June and we can play hardball and we can hope that that price comes down a little bit. But you are losing time on the ability to do other deals. Now, maybe that's something Man United want to do. Maybe they want to lower expectation. Maybe they only want to sign three or four players.

10:02Maybe they want to buy loads of players towards the end of the window and back themselves to do that. So I think there has to be an element of calmness at the moment because from everything we're hearing, Mateus Fernandes will be a Manchester United player and we are trying to play hardball and we are trying to be relaxed about it. But what I would say as well, because you've got to play a devil's advocate here, is that when Man United take their time on deals, there's not actually a massive amount of evidence that it goes our way. We were relaxed and took our time on Mbermo and we paid the price that Brentford wanted.

10:35We paid£65 million. We were relaxed and took our time on Sesco and we still paid exactly what RB Leipzig want, which was£67 million plus another£15 or so in add-ons. So being patient very rarely works in Man United's favour. We end up paying what they want anyway. Having said that, if West Ham want 85 million and we get him for, let's say, 65 plus add-ons, it's still overpaying, but it's not 85 million. So I think we've got to be a little bit fair here because rushing on this deal means giving West Ham 85 million. Pushing on this deal might mean giving them 65 plus 10, 15 in add-ons, which still adds up to 80 million pounds because we want him to do well.

11:23so look I think we have to give United a little bit of leeway I'm not you know you know you know me I'll jump in two-footed on United if if I think they're pissing about and there are things I think they are making mistakes about Tonali for one but I think on Fernandes I would say look let's get to the end of the month let's see where we are on it because we can't pay 85 million pounds for him and let's get real if United went and wrote if you want the West Ham deal to if you want the West Mateus Fernandes deal to happen in the next couple of hours, it's going to be United sign Mateus Fernandes for 85 million.

11:57And most of you then will say, Wilcox is an idiot, Barada's an idiot. We've been absolutely done there. He's not an 85 million pound player. If you want to get him for 65 plus add-ons, it probably will take a week or two. And that's the way I'm looking at it. Of course, I want this deal done. I want us to get moving. But actually the solution is not paying 85 million pounds. It probably is taking a couple of weeks of negotiations to get it down to 65 with add-ons. But what we should be doing is working on other deals at the same time. I think that's the key here. There's no problem negotiating a better deal with West Ham over the next two weeks if you're in talks with Lewis Hall, if you're selling Marcus Rashford, if you're talking to Chumini, if you're going for Tonali, right?

12:39That's not the problem. There's not a problem taking a couple of weeks on Fernandes to get the price more reasonable. It's the fact that we'll sit on that deal for two weeks whilst other deals happen. That's the issue for me, I think. So I'm quite relaxed about it. Let's wait and see. Somebody just said, do you worry about Romano saying there's other clubs lurking? Well, it's only a concern if other clubs want to pay 85 million and I don't think they do. So I'm not actually that concerned about it, if I'm being completely honest. I think there's a lot going on in the midfield market at the moment.

13:12I mean, look, as I said, not really anything to add Man United wise in relation to Tonali but I'll be very interested to see what happens with his price because at the moment Tottenham are there getting a deal done quickly which I think we should have done and I'm very interested to know what that package is because to me it's just incredible that there's a player of that um that quality that that that we're not moving for um but you know we'll have to wait and see who that third midfielder is I mean I watched Ciumini last night I still think that deal can happen you know you get some United fans in the live chat on That's Football watching that game last night saying I don't want him as shit after you know for one game for France where they beat Senegal 3-1 and I don't think he was shit I think people misprofile him what do you think you're getting with Ciumini and Retro says he was poor, mate, that's what he does.

14:15He protects the back four, gets the ball and plays a simple pass. Like he's not Kimmich. He's not Rodri. Like if you misprofile a player, you're not going to be happy with what you see. Like every player we're going for is either young, inexperienced or a number eight. And Cimini is a six. He will sit there in front of the back four, break the play up, get hold of the ball and give it to somebody else. is not going to start playing, you know, Carrick-type passes. So I don't think he had a bad game at all. I think he did. I think he can play better, but I take him every step of the way because we don't have a player that can do that.

14:51So, look, we'll have to wait and see what happens with those types of players. I want to bring in just very quickly here. I mean, it's not transfer-related, but it's in relation to Michael Carrick. A very interesting article that came out from Simon Stone last night, this morning actually Michael Carrick's given an interview to Andy Mitten and basically saying if he's optimistic about next season he said yes big time and he was also asked about the kind of football he's looking for at Man United and he said winning exciting football is what comes to mind there are all sorts of different ways to get there but a version of winning and exciting football that's a responsibility to try and produce both he's also said it is essential to have a strong midfield and a strong spine we certainly are conscious of that and he said that hopefully everybody comes back fit but look I think there are some obviously Michael Carrick's never going to say we're signing Yandiamonde and I'm pissed off that we're not getting Tonali I mean we're never going to get that from Carrick he's a company man isn't he you know he spoke about Sir Jim Radcliffe and his great relationship with him and obviously he'll get on with Wilcox and Barada you know he's no different to Solskjaer in that sense season, you know, ultimately you could call him a puppet.

16:08I don't want to do that, but you could. However, what I do find interesting where you do get a little bit of an insight is when he's talking about how Man United are going to play or how he wants Man United to play. And he clearly understands the midfield is a fundamental to what we want to do. And he clearly mentions winning with exciting football. And, you know, we didn't do that last season. So are we in a situation where we are being told by our manager that not only is he going to be the manager next season, but he's going to go into next season with the plan of winning games, playing exciting football, because that will be a complete 180 on what we saw last season, which was, let's get real, less than 50 % possession is not exciting football.

16:55You know, counter-attacking football is not exciting football. So look, we'll have to wait and see. It could just be words. Michael Carrick played football in the right way. Is he going to manage and coach in the right way and get Man United playing in the right way? Because I think that is an exciting prospect, but it's a vision that's very murky at the moment because we saw nothing representing that in the short time he had to get us into third place. Was that just about getting results? That's my hope. Was that about getting the best out of what you've got to get over the line? Hopefully, and hopefully we'll see some good football.

17:30Havoc, I think you're talking absolute shit. He says good counterattacks are exciting. I mean, they might be exciting to you, mate, but some people get excited by rain. You know, some people get excited by grass. Some people get excited by the smell of washing. You know, I don't think Michael Carrick is talking about counterattacking with 48 % possession next season as exciting football. I don't think he's talking about that. I mean, you might be right, but I hope that's not what he means by it. So interesting thoughts there. Let me know your thoughts. I've had a few super chats coming in. I want to talk about Morgan Rodgers very, very quickly because I don't know what my opinion is on this.

18:14We've seen from Romano and we've seen from Ben Jacobs. Basically, what's happened with Morgan Rodgers is he wants to go to Arsenal and Arsenal are probably going to sign him. Now, Man United were in for Morgan Rodgers, and Man United really liked Morgan Rodgers, and we're not going to get him. He's going to go to... Moto Casino, America's social casino. Welcome to Moto Casino, where the excitement never ends, with thousands of the hottest free-to-play social casino games, fastest payouts, and the best promotions in the industry. No tricks or gimmicks. Owned and operated in the USA. Moto Casino is a free-to-play social casino.

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19:54I mean, I don't... Are Arsenal a realistic rival? I mean, they've just got to a Champions League final and won the Premier League. I don't think they're actually a rival yet, but potentially they are a rival. And they've just... Well, they've not signed him yet, but they're going to take a player that United actually wanted. Now, we must remember this. This is not necessarily a player that we wanted. I like Morgan Rodgers. I really do. But when you've got to spend a lot of money on the midfield and a left back, I don't see Morgan Rodgers, who fundamentally is a number 10 who can play on the wing.

20:24For£80 million plus, I don't see him as a priority. So I'm not bothered about not getting Morgan Rodgers. However, we must acknowledge that the club did really like him. So are we concerned by the fact that we're missing out on another Manchester United target? Because that is a lot of money that Man United are not willing to pay on another player. So, you know, apologies for the background noise. They're just trimming the bush, manscaped. I left it a little bit long. So, yeah, look, I think in relation to Morgan Rodgers, it's a bit of a perplexing one. And it's one that, sorry, there's something in the chat I just want to get rid of here.

21:07I don't know why people come into this community and be so rude. I don't know why. Sad lives, maybe. Nothing better to do. But the mods do a great job. Thank you very much. Everybody's tuning in this morning, of course. So, yeah, look, that's a genuinely big update around Morgan Rodgers. Man United aren't going to be signing him. He's going to be going to Arsenal. And it's, you know, add it to the list. Yandiamonde, Semenyu, Elliot Anderson, Sandro Tonali, Morgan Rodgers. That's five players in the last few months that Man United have wanted and have lost out on because of money. And that to me is maybe not a big issue for you in relation to those players, but it's a recurring theme that flies in the face of we're not, you know, we want to win the league.

22:00I would say that, you know, it's like it's like Man United saying we're driving from New York to Chicago, right? And you look at the fuel tank and you go, you haven't got enough petrol. And they keep driving past petrol stations saying we're not wasting our money on that. It's too expensive. And you go, well, we're not going to get to Chicago, then, are we? We're going to run out of petrol. And they're like, yeah, we're not paying for it. But we will get to Chicago. And you're like, are we going to get there then? On vibes, on trust me, bro. Trust me, bro, ain't going to get this car to Chicago, is it?

22:28So I think that with United, it really is, I think, concerning that. And this is not going to stop us signing Mateus Fernandes. This is not going to stop us signing Tyler Adams or Carlos Beléber. It's not going to stop us signing players like that. But Morgan Rodgers is not a player I want to sign, but we're not signing him. They're not signing him because they've not sat in the boardroom and gone, I was watching the United stand this morning and Goldbridge and the community were saying Morgan Rodgers at£80 million is a bit of a luxury. Let's spend it elsewhere. They're sat in the boardroom going, we want Morgan Rodgers, but he's chosen Arsenal and we're not going to pay that price.

23:10And that's concerning. That is concerning. But what happens in a transfer window is when it was Elliot Anderson last week, people are arguing, going, we should walk away. We shouldn't pay£120 million for Elliot Anderson. It's damn right to walk away. And they're very, you know, I support the club. We shouldn't pay£120 million. But then Yandiamonde, maybe some of those people say, yeah, we shouldn't be paying€100 million for him either. But it gets less and less with every deal because what they figure out is the thing that we were all saying with the Elliot Anderson deal. It's not about walking away from Elliot Anderson.

23:47It's about walking away from everybody. And sometimes if these are prime targets, you do have to pay what it takes. how are we going to win the league in the next two years if we're walking away from Elliot Anderson, Yandiamonde, Semenyu, Tonali, Morgan Rodgers, maybe Lewis Hall's next you know who's next who else are we going to walk away from this summer because we're not ambitious enough to spend the money that it takes to get those players of course they're expensive I'm not I'm not I'm not not acknowledging that for one minute. Of course they're expensive, but it's not going to work. And look, as always, there's somebody in the chat who just simply cannot engage their brain other than at a basic level.

24:32So Chris said, but you said he's like a Cuny type player. And this is what you're up against because Chris ain't listening, is he? Chris is just thinking, but you said you don't want Rodgers. That's not what we're talking about, Chris. I don't want us to sign Rodgers he's a very good player but what I'm saying is Man United had him high on their list Carrick really likes him Wilcox knows him from Man City they really want him they're not signing him because I don't think it's a right signing they're not going for him because Morgan Rodgers is too expensive for Man United that's the point that's the point we're not talking about whether I think we should sign Anderson or whether I think we should sign Rodgers we're talking about multiple players that United are pulling out of because they don't want to pay the price for them.

25:16And I think Lewis Hall probably will be next. I think he's absolutely going to be the next player that Man United walk away from because of price. I'd be stunned if we do a deal there. So just get ready for that. And then it gets to a point when all these fans that are protecting the club for God knows what reason, that we're right to walk away, we're right to walk away, we're right to walk away. You see what you end up with for walking away from multiple players. because, you know, it won't be very much. And that's exactly my issue about Tonali. I still say it's embarrassing that we're walking away from a deal for Tonali and allowing him to go to Tottenham.

25:52I mean, let's get real here. If Tonali is eager to sign for Tottenham, imagine what he'd do to sign for Manchester United. I mean, look, Luke Shaw is in his swimming trunk, swimming from Southampton to New York. Nobody's told him yet that Chalab has been called up because as soon as he heard about the Liveramento injury, he jumped in the sea and started swimming and he hadn't got his phone with him. You know, so Luke Shaw would swim from Southampton to New York to get in that England squad. But I think Tenali would run from Newcastle to Manchester. I do. So look, why we're not going for him? Because we don't want to spend the money.

26:30Simple as that. Let me get into some of your comments, a few more bits to get into, but I'll come back to that. What did you think about Noosa last night? Again, I think it was... Noosa last night for Norway reminded me a little bit of Boadi for Morocco, if you know, you know. It was like an awakening for some people who don't really know much about Noosa. But for those of us who do, I don't think that was a particularly great game from him. I think he excited a few people, but I think he's a lot better than that. But, you know, he's a fantastic player who will play at a very high level. and I would like to see that in a Man United shirt, but he will play at a very high level.

27:09He's very quick. He's very physical. I like how physical he is. You know, he's got a good strength on the ball. He's good off both feet. And, you know, I think he's a good player, but I don't think United will go for him because, again, it will be too... And, again, I think Noosa's another example. We won't go for Noosa because he's too expensive. How many players are Man United saying we're not going for them because they're too expensive? and is that why we're looking at Somerville because he fits into the bracket of what we want to pay Armand United sat there in the boardroom saying we do want a left winger but only if they're going to cost between 40 and 50 million pounds if they're going to cost more than that forget it I mean that's the mentality of an Everton that's not the mentality of a team that's going to win the league so I don't think we will go for Noosa to be honest with you as much as I think he would be good Pepsi Man says the 60 million world class player they're looking for doesn't exist yes and and i think this is the problem if we're working to parameters we're not going to pay that then we're not going to win leagues are you um talking about fans thinking it's uh sorry let me just there's a few idiots in the live chat today and get rid of you uh talking about fans thinking it's better to walk away it's the club that made them think that way says carl well well you know and it's well it's an it's a shame then isn't it carl because we've got fans who are being indoctrinated by a football club, turning them into an accountant.

28:36What about Inanna from Villa? I remember we were linked with him last summer. He provides the big body aerial threat Casemiro did and adds quickness, says Dash. But you know what, Dash? You make a very good point at a very good time. If we go for Inanna from Aston Villa, this is exactly the problem. We won't go for Tonali because he's too expensive. We won't go for Anderson because he's too expensive. We'll go for Inanna because he might fall into the category of what we do want to pay. But Inanna at Aston Villa is just Somerville from West Ham. Is a plan D, E or F. And that doesn't excite me.

29:13That doesn't excite me, Dash, at all. Dan says, I'm a sceptic. Documentary is just to spin fans to keep them quiet. The window has Fellaini vibes all over it. About time the board showed some ambition, says Dan. And yeah, I mean, I'll talk about the documentary probably later. There's a video I want to do on that. But yeah, I mean, look, maybe scepticism. Look, as I said, I'm relaxed about Mateus Fernandes. I do think that that deal will still happen. But I'm not relaxed about walking away from multiple deals because we don't want to pay it. And then, you know, the symbolisation of that is that Man United, who finished third in the Champions League, who have given an inexperienced manager the job and need to back him to their hilt, are walking away from deals that Spurs, who have a new manager and didn't get into Europe at all, are willing to do.

30:07What does that say about the ambition of Tottenham and what does that say about the ambition of Manchester United? We both have new managers. We both need to back them. We're in the Champions League talking about challenging for Premier Leagues. Spurs finish fourth from bottom and not are in Europe and they're going for Tenali and we won't. and that cannot be argued by everybody. It can't. Like Spurs are willing to spend the money on Deserby for Tonali, but Man United won't. That's about ambition. And you can't say, well, maybe Man United don't rate Tonali. Oh, so we don't rate Tonali. We don't rate Semenyu.

30:40We don't rate Yandiamonde. We don't rate Anderson. We don't rate Morgan Rodgers. We don't rate Lewis Hall if we walk away from that. I mean, how many of these players are we actually walking away from because we don't rate? Bollocks. It's not that we don't rate them. It's that we don't want to pay for them. And that's something very, very different. Patrick Lynch, thank you very much for your super chat this morning. Hope you're doing well. He says, Somerville seems like business more than a football deal. We seem unwilling to pay asking price for Mateus Fernandes. I feel like this board feel more comfortable spending£120 million for two than£80 million for one because that's better business.

31:15oh so it's sort of like hiding your incompetence you get somerville and uh fernandez for 120 and then it sort of masks what you're paying for each uh individual player uh i suppose that makes sense but i'd look i i've got to be honest patrick i do not think man united are going to sign um somerville um i know it came out from ornstein and there is some talk of it but look i think United would look at the reaction to that and see it's quite lukewarm. And as I said, you know, a few minutes ago, I think if you're giving West Ham£120 million for two players, I would question why? Because they ain't that club.

31:58And if I was giving West Ham£120 million, I'd be expecting to get four players, if I'm being honest. Zaki says, greetings from a cold, windy and rainy South Australia read today here that United inquired about Cambiasso from Juventus left back Chelsea too I've not heard anything about that Zaki at the moment but we can keep an eye on it Vagabond says Ineos blood on their hands if Spurs get Tenali never seen United so pathetic in a transfer window you see look that's where I do disagree I do like I think that I agree with the determination to be ambitious and get what we want. But I also disagree with the fact that there is still time to do good things.

32:53On the one hand, you've got the interview from Carrick talking about he's excited about next season, building a spine in the midfield, playing exciting football. That's all great. You've got Baradha a couple of weeks ago talking about winning the league this year and if not this year, next year. That's great. In the transfer window, I'm not seeing anything that supports that or those statements yet. And yet is the big word. I've not seen Edison and Mateus Fernandes don't go hand in hand with winning titles and playing good football for me. There needs to be a lot more than that. So I'm not going to say it's one of the worst transfer windows ever because it's the 17th of June.

33:34We do need to see a little bit more though. Is left wing a priority over left back? What happens to Dorgue and Cunha then? Well, again, AJ I think left back should be the priority But the question will be When we walk away from Lewis Hall Because it's too expensive That'll be about the sixth player we've done that Within this transfer window already And that will happen We will walk away from Lewis Hall We will We won't want to pay it When are we getting rid of Rashford? Says Quinn I mean, I didn't really want to talk about Rashford but very, very quickly on Rashford. I think the scenario with Marcus Rashford is that he will leave Manchester United, but there's a little bit of a dance that we've got to go through before that can happen.

34:23I think he wants to go to Barcelona and I think Barcelona still wants him back on loan, but Manchester United don't want to do anything about it. I mean, look, we've been linked this morning to Casado, the midfielder from Barcelona, actually. He's just come out this morning. He wants to leave. We've got strong ties with his agent, George Mendes, and he apparently were well-placed with Leverkusen. And Deco has apparently been keen to sell him to balance the books and he's awaiting offers with the player valued around€20 million. So it's a potential affordable bargain for United. But, you know, in relation to Casado from Barcelona, up.

35:07They say, again, it doesn't, and I don't think that will happen, by the way, but again, it's just, it's erratic, isn't it? It's not actually what we need to do. We don't need to buy Edison, Cassado and Mateus Fernandes. If that was our three midfielders, I'd go, what are we doing? Edison, who's 27, never played in the Premier League from the Italian League. Like, Mateus Fernandes, who's 21 and, you know, going to need time, and then Casado from Barcelona, who again is young, going to need time. That's not the profile of a midfield that we need to build to be trying to be back in the Champions League and competing for Premier League titles.

35:46It's just buying three decent midfielders. But as I said, it's like being sent to the shop and being asked to go and get the ingredients for a lasagna, and you come back with pasta, coffee, and ice cream. like I like pasta I like coffee and I like ice cream but I ain't gonna make a lasagna from it and if I do it's gonna taste like shit it's you know I think some people look at it and go well I like that player I like that player and I like that player but the three players that we buy I mean we've done this to death the three players that we buy have to fit together and with the team that we have and the vision that we have and I sometimes look at the midfielders we're being linked to and I go, it doesn't, as a collective, I don't feel that.

36:34Like, we've got Edison, I think we'll get Mateus Fernandes, the next midfielder to me needs to be a marquee midfielder that can come into the team ready to go. You've got Edison, who I think is going to be hopefully a useful midfielder for us, right? You've got Fernandes, who I'm hoping is going to be a superstar of the future they need mr experience next to them they need and mainu does as well mainu's only a kid himself man united need a midfielder next who comes in and goes i know what i'm doing you know um quinstar says will we get another striker uh yeah so in relation to marcus rashford again look it's the long game isn't it and some people get very frustrated by the long game, but this is who we are.

37:20It's not going to change because we want it to. United take ages to do things. What's happening with Marcus Rashford is, Marcus Rashford's got very competent people around him, whether you like it or not, who have the best interests of Rashford. Barcelona have their best interests and they've got good people around them. Man United are going to try and go toe-to-toe with those two factions. And they're going to go, So, well, basically, United's problem is they don't want him to go back to Barcelona because Barcelona didn't give them the 25 million. Every dating app swipe is another loss. Jim bros, fake CEOs, straight up losers.

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38:24barcelona have basically said we don't want to give you 25 million we but we want to keep him on loan for another year and we'll pay his wages and marcus rashford is like i couldn't give a shit if they're going to give you 25 million i want to stay in barcelona so that's the situation with marcus rashford and the question is who's wrong marcus rashford wants to stay in barcelona Barcelona want him to stay. They just don't want to pay the fee. And Man United are going, well, that's not fair. We want the 25 million. And I'm sort of like, this is where I think a third party needs to come in and take the emotion out of it and say, look, Man United sitting there saying, you're not having him until you give us 25 million.

39:01I would be saying, they ain't going to give you 25 million. And not only that, no one else is. You're getting too emotional about this. You're trying to fight a battle on emotion because you think Barcelona are taking the piss. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But Rashford wants to go there. They want to cover his wages for another year. And you're saying you'll bring him back unless they give you 25 million, which they're not going to do. And more importantly, neither is anybody else. And also, Rashford might not want to go anywhere else. So you're sort of wasting your own time in a transfer window that's really important to you, creating a problem that's going to jeopardise that.

39:48When actually, you probably should just cut your losses and go, there are no offers on the table for Rashford, but there is an offer for another year to cover his wages and we could leave that and move on. but I think United yet again are going no no no we're right we're right and it's exactly the same what's going to happen with Andre and Arna you know with an Arna United have been saying Billy Big Bollocks you know he's not coming back he's not coming back we're selling him we're selling him without realizing he is coming back because he has a contract and also no one's going to buy him so Andre Anana is going to walk in with his with his boots under his arm smiling in July training at Carrington and United won't use him in goal but you will end up having to let him go on loan and covering his wages that's what's going to happen you know it is so yeah let's let's see what happens with that one.

40:49But I think it's, you know, it will be interesting, to say the least, to see how much time we waste on deals like that. Let me get rid of this. apologies this morning we've got a great community and we've got a great set of moderators but for some reason there's some very sad people in the comments this morning i apologize for that if it's impacting your viewing i might just i shall i just turn members only no i'm not i don't believe in that i'm not gonna do that um anyway on with the show if man united walk away from hall it would be embarrassing because they said they walked away from tonali because it was too hard to do a double deal, says John United.

41:43Harry Bennett says, we don't need to sign backup players. We should sign a Diamande who's going to make our two wingers. Somerville won't do that. Harry, we should sign Diamande who's going to make our two wingers conceded for their spot. I mean, we should be signing Diamande. I mean, look, if you want a very simple equation on why we should sign Jan Diamande over Somerville. Yandiamonde might cost you up to£100 million with add-ons £100 million cash, right? Somerville might cost you£60 Somerville is£25 Yandiamonde is£19 Yandiamonde is double the player, Somerville is Somerville will never be a great Yandiamonde could be, you know, world class it will cost you£40 million more to get a player who is twice the player, could be world class, is six years younger, has massive sell-on value and will impact the team massively.

42:46And that is why we fail. That is why we fail. Because we go, we're not paying that. But for a club that's run by businessmen, why do I have to figure out what a great business deal it is to sign Yandiam Monde over Somerville. Seems to me United's brain stops at they want 200 grand a week in wages or it's going to cost us more than 80 million pounds. And you look at the Yandiam Monde's of this world and there are other players as well, the Lewis Halls. Yes, there is an initial expensive outlay, but once they're in a Man United shirt, you own them and you own all their potential, all their ability, all their value for the next five to ten years.

43:30You have to look past that initial fee and look at what you get for the next five to ten years. If at 25, Yandiam Monde is one of the best midfielders in the world and Real Madrid come along and say there's£200 million, not only have you doubled your money, but you've had five years of one of the best wingers in the world. We don't figure this out. We don't figure this out at all. We look at the fee and we go, well, if he's going to cost 100 and he's going to cost 60, go for the 60. Yeah, but he's a mediocre 25-year-old who's not ever going to hit the heights that that player is going to be. The initial outlay is what we did with Rooney.

44:09That's what we did with Roy Keane. It's that, you know, it is a little bit too much for what they are at the moment, but the value in having them and what they're going to become makes the deal look cheap. You know, we never sold Rooney on. we paid massive money for Wayne Rooney we never sold him on did we we never got that money back but we did we paid him very big wages but we did get the value because we had Wayne Rooney in a Man United shirt for years and we just seemed to completely miss this and unfortunately some of our fans swallow it and agree with it but I you know if it's the right player you pay that little bit extra to get them in the door and then they're yours for years and years to come and there's a huge amount And it frustrates me when I see people going, yeah, but he's only going to cost 60 and he's going to cost 100.

44:56You're talking about 40 million pounds. And you're talking about a much better player who's younger, who's going to have a much bigger impact. I mean, look, if Yandere Monde is running up and down the wing for Liverpool next year and we've got Somerville running down the wing, I think that says something about our ambition. I think it does. You know, if we've got someone like Sander Berg or Tyler Adams or, you know, Edison running around our midfield next season and Tottenham have got Tonali running around, what does that say about our ambition? you know if we've got luke shaw still at left back next season and lewis hall's at chelsea what does that say about our ambition these these things are important uh harry says but there is time there is time but i'm just a little bit concerned no i'm not as i say i'm not concerned about the time it's taking to do a matthews fernandez deal i think people moaning about that would moan if we did a deal today for 85 million you've got to try and get that price down over the next couple of weeks, I completely agree.

45:57Where I do moan is that why can't we work on more than one deal at once? And also, why is the pile getting higher and higher of players that we're walking away from because we don't want to pay the price? Thank you very much. From that, Matthew Gartel, I'll get your name right. Thanks for being a member for 68 months. Does the World Cup have any impact on Ahmad's future at Manchester United? Says Daschle. I don't think there's an impact on Ahmad's future at Manchester United at all. I think Ahmad needs, you could argue that Ahmad needs a break, but I also think that Ahmad needs game time and confidence.

46:41So, you know, great goal for him the other night for Ivory Coast and hopefully he does have a good World Cup and comes back with a bit of confidence. Quinster says, do you think we'll get another striker? I mean, look, it's another great comment because we're talking about midfielders and how long that's taking. We're talking about whether we're going to get a winger, whether we're going to go for a left back. You know, we probably do need a backup striker. Who wants to make a guess that Xerxes is staying? You know, that's a lack of ambition as well. There's so many areas where you can go, that's a lack of ambition, that's a lack of ambition.

47:16Walking away from players because of price is a lack of ambition. keeping Xerxes for another year rather than replacing him that's a lack of ambition all these things stack up why so confident we'll walk away from Lewis Hall says Jacob well it's an opinion Jacob and I hope I'm wrong fundamentally but if we're walking away from Morgan Rodgers and we're walking away from Yandere Monday and we're walking away from Tonali and we're walking away from Anderson because we don't want to pay the price I don't think Newcastle are going to go oh it's Man United at the door come in come in do you want a cup of tea can can we wash your clothes do you want a hot bath you say you want lewis hall should we start well we don't want to be greedy should we start at should we start the bidding at 35 million you're happy to pay that okay yeah no they're gonna go fuck off and if you want to come in we don't care if it's raining it's bidding starts at 75 million and united will walk off walk away that's what i think will happen um but look hopefully i'm wrong uh what about felix Enmica says Arkin Arki well look this was mentioned last night Real Madrid are looking at doing a double deal funnily enough for Schlotterbeck and Enmica I mean I wouldn't mind you know you talk about double deals Mateus Fernandes and Somerville for 120 million I don't think Real Madrid are going to spend 120 million on Schlotterbeck and Enmica so it just shows you how some clubs operate and also they're a better two players he seems to be quite heavily linked to Real Madrid at the moment So, you know, a lot of United fans were saying, I don't want Enmica, I don't want Enmica, and yet Real Madrid are moving for him.

48:52I think some of those people might have a different opinion on what is a very good player now, but I don't think United will make a move on him, no. So remember the five strands of transfers. Totally true. Totally bollocks. Agent driven. New contract driven. Or the selling club driven. I would say Enmica links to Man United are probably Dortmund or agent driven. Trying to stir up a market to get more interest, you know. I like him, but I don't think we're going to go for him at all. McAlbus says, I fear that we're drifting through this window like we do most years. in a few weeks our top targets will be gone because we're too slow again a fair comment like you know you don't want to be crossing off targets um yeah uh dino says do you think this amazon documentary by the owners is a tactical thing to try and attract big players easier making united seem more like a family do you think uh try and try big players easier making look some footballers are egotistical as i said there might be you know xerxes very happy at man united even though he should be looking for a move i'm not saying this is the case but he might go there's a documentary i fancy a bit of that um and it works with external players as well there might be players that go oh man united have got a documentary i quite fancy that there might be players that go man united have got a documentary i don't fancy that because if it's a bad season then it might do me bad.

50:23Tom Grant says, I'm apprehensive of certain transfers of this board could cost us next season and beyond. They need to put money where their mouths are. Good morning. Morning, Tom. Hope you're doing well. Ray is in that chat. Hope you're doing well, Ray. He says, yes, and the excuse from the club and some of United fans is we don't want to overpay, but when you're a top club, you have to pay extra. I don't get it. Look, West Ham, Arsenal paid £106 million for Declan Rice. At the time, a lot of people took the piss out of them. Did they overpay? Yes. At the time, they overpaid. Does anybody talk about Declan Rice being a flop or overpaying now?

51:02Absolutely. At that moment in time, Arsenal did overpay. But Declan Rice is a prime example. You might feel like you overpay initially, but if it's the right signing, it'll be a very short period of time before you realise you didn't overpay at all. And that's what United don't seem to get. The 60 million world-class player they're looking for doesn't exist. Thanks very much for doing that one as well. Rather have Vardy on a free over Xerxes, says Quinstar. And I'm happy if we don't go backwards and consolidate third, says Fraser. I sort of agree with you, but it does sound a little bit unambitious, doesn't it?

51:40I'm happy in this summer to take third next summer. why this obsession with midfielders says valentine do we forget about bruno and menu we have edison and matthews in addition why not get a winger and a left back yeah that just doesn't i'm sorry mate i can't agree with that so you're basically saying bruno menu edison and matthews fernandez is fine as a midfield i mean no that doesn't work for me i'm sorry um thank you very much okay let me just whiz through stuff because this show was flown by this morning, which is quite surprising. I'm operating on five hours sleep. I thought it would be quite a slow show, but the energy is good, which is great.

52:20Loved that last night, by the way. I know it's not United related, but well, it is in a sense. Lissandro Martinez was great to see him playing a full game well, but Messi hat trick, we were there. Make sure you're tuning into the That's Football community. We're having some great watch-alongs.

52:43That's not what I wanted to look at Here it is We've done that I've done about Rodgers I've done about Rashford

52:59We spoke about Mateus Fernandes We spoke about Enmicha We did about Chimini last night We've spoken about Tonali

53:11interesting around Tenali as well I mean look we're not going to do anything we've backed out of it but Ben Jacobs basically is saying Tottenham are expected to offer around 85 million plus add-ons taking the package to 100 million and that is expected to be considered by Newcastle I'm telling you now if they get Tenali for 85 plus 15 that will prove my point United basically if a player is over 80 million we don't want to do a deal 85 plus 15 for Tonali is a fair deal for everybody I think it's a good deal for everybody why would we not look at that you know he's 26 he's Premier League proven he's Champions League proven obviously he's an international that's a fair price it's not overpaying Caicedo cost 100 Elliot Anderson is going to cost over 100

54:15I just think we've got an£80 million limit and we don't want to go above it it makes no sense to me at all little bit on Alex Scott but not a lot about that Romano was talking about him this morning lots of interest from Premier League clubs Bournemouth are trying to get him to sign that new contract so they can put a release clause in there is he a player that United are interested in yes do I think we're advancing anything no do I think he's more likely to sign for Arsenal Liverpool at the moment probably because we're just we can only do one deal at a time and it's obviously Mateus Fernandes just on just in from Real Madrid been sent this from Greg our producer Real Madrid, if Real Madrid sign Mateus Fernandes, it will have to happen after a departure.

55:05This is because his price is 90 million euros. Mateus Fernandes is Jose Mourinho's chosen one.

55:14Look, this is why I'm quite calm at the moment, because it can get better. Balanced bridge. I understand the frustrations. And as I say, it frustrates me that we can only do one deal at once. and we're walking away from deals because of price. That does frustrate me, but we've got Edison in and I do believe we'll get Mateus Fernandes and that's why I'm quite balanced. Taking the negative balance, we're walking away from deals because we don't want to pay. We can only do one deal at once and Real Madrid have just stolen Mateus Fernandes. That would be a tipping point for me. so at the moment I'm balanced but you know if Real Madrid decide they want him why would he not sign for Real Madrid you know that would concern me but

56:13what I will say is we're very locked in with his agent George Mendes now George Mendes is the agent of Jose Mourinho and if Jose Mourinho says I want Mateus Fernandes to us not Man United I think that deal happens for Real Madrid because of George Mendes. But I think we will win this race. I think we will win this race. It doesn't massively help us when you're negotiating with West Ham and they keep going, have you seen what Madrid Extra have just said? Is the chosen one for Jose? So, you know, it does muddy the waters a little bit, but from what we're hearing, I think it's just going to take a little bit of time.

56:53Jude says, great respect if Spurs get Tenali. You know what? I have no respect for Spurs. I don't think anybody does. I think they're always a laughingstock. But we're looking up in third place. We're looking to close a gap on Man City and Arsenal. What we cannot do is what happened to Mourinho in his final season. He pulls off a worldie getting a second place. He's looking at how he gets to Man City. The board don't back him. And within six months, he's been sacked because we've dropped down, because everyone behind us has caught up with us. And some of you might not be old enough to remember that because it's getting on for 10 years ago.

57:31Be careful if you're looking up that people behind you don't move past you. And yeah, we're looking up at Arsenal and we're looking up at Man City. But if we don't get this summer transfer window right through a lack of ambition and cautiousness, the Liverpools, the Chelsea's will move past us. And also what about the Spurs? I mean, they've got no European football at all. One game a week. Now that will be fine until Christmas. I don't think one game a week really benefited us before Christmas, but it definitely benefits you in the back half of the season when you're getting tired. and you know Tottenham next season with the likes of Andy Robertson, Sanessi, Van Heek, Tonali and whoever else they're going to bring in I mean they've only got to focus on the Premier League you say you can say I ain't worried about Tottenham but if they if they can pitch themselves at 65 points and we don't have a very good season they will finish above us so you've got to I think in life and in success, yes, you've got to reach for the people above you, but you've got to be careful about what's going on behind you that they don't overtake you as well.

58:44It's almost like being a car, isn't it? On a racing track and, you know, you're in third place and you're saying to your guy, how or girl, how many seconds am I behind second? And they're going five. And you're like, right, I'm going to push. You don't check your in mirror. And then suddenly you're in fourth. And you're like, what happened there? and we were like, oh fuck, we forgot about people who were catching you up. So I don't respect Spurs. Nobody does. But who respected us last summer? I don't think Liverpool thought we were going to go past them. I don't think Chelsea thought we were going to go past them last summer.

59:23And we did. So we've got to be careful of that. Anyway, thank you, Harry says, the point I was trying to make poorly is that we shouldn't be looking at the likes of Somerville when there is world-class players like Tonali there. First time doing these chats. Enjoy the show. Harry, absolutely completely understand what you mean. Look, for me, Yandhi Amande is available. You go and sign Yandhi Amande. You don't sign plan C, D and F. You know. For a left winger, I would take Irinkandu from Watford. He's cheap, quick, powerful shots and a brilliant free kick taker. I've watched him in the A-League.

59:56Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Go stunter. Do you think there is a world where United of Spurs agree the fee and then go for Tanale? United tax is a real thing, says Dave the Brave. I mean, it would be a masterstroke and it has happened before. But no, I don't think United want to pay that money, if I'm being honest. Thank you so much, everybody, for tuning in this morning. If you haven't subscribed to the channel, please do. Bottom right hand corner, we're getting close to 270 ,000. I'm trying to figure out what we're doing today because I have to tell you this at the end of the show because it's still the World Cup.

1:00:30So Portugal play at six. So it's Bruno, it's Ronaldo at six on That's Football. So make sure you're tuning in for that. England play at nine o 'clock. So it's Manu and co. So I think we're going to drop a video around eight o 'clock in that gap in between like a live video at eight because obviously we're going to be on That's Football for Portugal at six and England at nine. There will be a two o 'clock show as well. We've got Mike Keegan on at 2pm today, actually. I really like Mike, so that'll be good. And tomorrow, 10 o 'clock show is normal. Ben Jacobs at two. So yeah, that's how we're looking at.

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