446: Tchouameni TRANSFER Snub? Fernandes To Spurs CLOSE!

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1:26in for Buadi. I'll let you make your mind up because there is a report this morning about that. Kunja's tearing it up in the World Cup and some interesting stuff coming out about Lenny Yorreau. Two years on, Man United still think£50 million for Yorreau was a major coup. I would imagine that if you spend£50 million on a player, you'd expect that return to be showing a little bit more than it is after two years. But look, I like the player. Let's see. Lots to get into on the show this morning. Hope you're doing very well. The big statement we're going to start off with, though is in relation to Ciumini and this came in from Fabrizio Romano in the last few hours and what he's basically saying is that Manchester United or Ciumini has a big salary and at the moment it is not what Man United want to do.

2:14Also Real Madrid are yet to open the door for his exit and if they do Man United would be ready to understand the situation. So in essence what What Fabrizio is saying is that with regards to Ciumini, if Man United were to move for him, the wage is too high. It's a very big wage and Man United would not want to pay it. Mati Moreto, who works with Romano, has said that Real Madrid would consider offers of around£75 million for him as well. Man United are interested, though there's no indication that the French midfielder wants to leave. Look, I think that... Look, I don't think we're very good at transfers, shock horror.

3:04And as Orca said, why are we looking at players we can't afford? I think this is the baffling thing about the summer transfer window for Man United so far. We've known bad windows. We've known exciting windows. We've had despair. And then we'll find£150 million from nowhere. But I feel like this transfer window, Manchester United are in third place in the Champions League with an inexperienced coach. And they need to be ambitious. And you know what? Whether it's Elliot Anderson, Tonali, Chumini, and I'll leave it at those three players, Because forget the Fernandeses and the Scots and the Belabors for a moment.

3:52Let's just focus on the fact that we sometimes get lost that we need three midfielders. We need a marquee midfielder to replace Casemiro to play next to Maynou. Forget the left back, forget the other two midfielders, forget Everett Edison. We needed and do need an absolute marquee signing. And they're a marquee signing not because it's a big paycheck or a big wage, but because they come in with a pedigree to replace Casemiro in that team. I would have expected Manchester United to be fighting for these deals like the third camel on the ramp for Noah's Ark and it's just started raining. You know, figure it out.

4:33I would have thought that, you know, we'd be fighting for our bloody lives to get these deals over the line. And what we're doing is we're walking away going, I'll just go and wait in the rain and we'll drown. We will drown. And that's how I feel. So no taking the piss out of Wilcox with my phone. No taking the piss out of Baradar or Sir Jim Radcliffe. I thought Man United were going to be fighting like the third camel trying to get onto Noah's Ark and instead were walking away into the rain to drown. And I'm like, where's the fight? Where's the ambition? And yes, we do need three midfielders, but Chumini, Tonali, Anderson, all available.

5:15we're walking away. We're Craig David FC. We're walking away again because of money. And you know what as well? Like, I have this information. You can get it yourself. I've got it from very... You couldn't get it from a better source. Ciumini's wage isn't even that big. For Manchester United to be allowing Romano to say that they like Ciumini, but the wage is way beyond what they want to pay, he's on£210 ,000 a week. 210 not 310 he's on 210 grand a week even if you offer him 250 i still think it's good what since when did i mean let's round it up let's say it's 225 since when was 220 25 grand a week too much i i the as soon as i saw this the quotes coming out from romano was like he's not on 300 grand a week

6:16you know he's on about 225 and we're putting it out there that you know we don't want to pay that wage and yet again there are some people in our fan base going good well done well done I mean do they get excited by football and the prospect of winning or do they get excited by the you know walking away and not paying for things um yeah i i don't get what what that's all about because that's a fact his wage is not actually that big at real madrid and you would expect for a casemiro i mean i i if i was to jim magliffe i would have said casemiro's leaving we're gonna have to pay around 250 for his replacement you know if you're running a business and your ceo is on a you know 300 grand a year and he leaves if you want a good ceo you're gonna probably go right i don't really want to pay 300 grand a week again but we might have to pay about 250 i mean as i said we're replacing casimiro and we're saying that 210 grand a week's too much and mason mound is a bloody new kit model on on a quarter million pound a week.

7:28So I've said this before and I'll say it again. The big problem with Man United is we've got people in charge who won't listen because they think we can be successful with a wage structure that is comparable to Aston Villa and a transfer limit budget that is comparable to Everton and an age limit, which is comparable to what Chelsea had been doing for the last three years and failed. Hydration break. So yeah, I just... It's not that I'm angry this morning. I'm just baffled. You know, we are camel FC. You know, we are that third camel that should be fighting for its bloody life and we're not. I'm confused by the lack of ambition, the lack of fight.

8:22And look, I think what we've probably done on the Chiumini thing before we move on to Fernandez, because there are some updates there as well. And this Boadi story, I think what we've probably done is. I mean, again, I sort of try and pick things apart. Someone just said we're DiCaprio FC with our age limit. I think you have to sort of like pick things apart, don't you? with Elliot Anderson for nine months he was our priority and then when the summer transfer window comes along we go well we didn't think he'd cost more than 80 million my cat knows that Anderson's 100 million pounds and he can't talk and doesn't watch football like how can you talk about being a player being your absolute you know what this will make me angry I'm sort of lost on the multiple updates we've had over the last nine months from very credible journalists about Elliot Anderson being our priority.

9:21You know, like when we've had bad results and the next day Elliot Anderson's the priority, they've absolutely rinsed us. They could have said Yemel was the priority for nine months. It would have been more of a reality. Like they literally did put it out there for nine months consistently that Elliot Anderson was our priority. And now they've not done anything. But the reason they haven't done anything is because they thought the price was going to be £80 million or less, which they know is a load of bollocks. Can you imagine being sat in the boardroom of Manchester United in January or February or March or April and they're saying,

10:06we love this player. He's perfect. He's got everything. And guess what? We're going to get him for no more than 80 million pounds there's numerous people in that boardroom you'd think they'd put their someone to put their hand up and go i don't want to i don't want to ruin the party and uh you know by all means crack out the oreos but he's not going to go for 80 million pounds he's going to go for 100 million pounds oh shut up but but they get the same things happen with he's our dream deal he's our dream deal fabrizio he's our dream deal he's our dream deal oh we didn't realise he was on 210 grand a week.

10:44That's way too much. Do you realise how stupid that is? It's like taking your kids to McDonald's, yeah? And you saying, what do you want? Happy meal. Okay. And then you get to McDonald's and they say a happy meal, a fiver. What? Well, we're not willing to pay that. We're leaving kids. I mean, everybody fucking knows the price of a happy meal. And everybody knows it's going to be around a fiver, isn't it? To say Chumini's our dream deal and then go, he's on really high wages and we don't want to pay them. They're not even bloody high wages. And also they're very easily accessible. But one theory I do have is that have we put it out there this morning about Chumini and his wages just to kill any enthusiasm?

11:32You know, have they done that to Fabrizio to say, hold on a minute, Fabrizio. We're in enough trouble with the Fernandes deal. People are now pivoting towards Chiumini like it's going to happen. That's a really hard deal. That's a really hard deal. You need to kill that off a little bit. We need to temper expectation because it just feels like there was starting to get a bit of momentum around Chiumini. And then you wake up this morning and it's like, no, we're not going to pay for it, are we? also another angle could be that we're putting it out there that we're not going to pay silly wages to bring him so if he's on 210 grand a week at Real Madrid we're not going to give him 300 grand a week um we might be doing that I mean that to me sorry I've got a tickling throat this money that to me sounds a little bit optimistic that we would do that but I think it's more likely

12:28god don't have a smoothie with uh

12:34raspberries in it before you have a bloody do a live stream don't buy fruit from yorka i think i've got like a raspberry seed in my throat and it's really irritated it oh god anyway so yeah i My personal feeling is that probably the Chumini update from Romano is done to temper our expectations. And those of us that were probably thinking, oh, we're going to do something here, you move on from it. Please do share the video, everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in, as always. Loads to get involved in. We've also got an update on Fernandes and Bouadi to talk about. but let me just get some of your updates here.

13:19Blameshifter says, go get Tonali. He's on 150 grand a week and he might go to Spurs. What the fuck are we doing? Whoever sets these stupid parameters doesn't know football. Yeah, but Blameshifter,

13:32he will be on, he will be offered over 200 grand a week by Spurs. So we won't do that. Who's your desperate midfield signing, says Aditya. I'll come back to that, mate. You know, I'd actually need a few minutes to think about it. Arshan says, I can't believe it right here right now they're basically saying Edison is our starter and he is Casemiro uh what they said like a week ago I'm just waiting transfers to end and expose these people uh once says thanks Mark please keep calling out the United fans that cheer in Eos when they do this they are part of the problem and are just as bad as Glynios uh they are creating the scenario where we will beg for belabor like dogs this is what my gimmick is built around they've already decided Delboy FC says Sean you get what you pay for love the channel mate thank you Sean fourth year fourth every year and a new stadium it's all they want says lee berman hope you're doing well uh mark i wanted to know your opinion on manzambi he's versatile in midfield and could be a bruno understudy however not viable this summer probably he's you know what he's um placed for freyberg he's done well in the world cup but he's probably uh freyberg's best player anyway really exciting um young swiss player playing in the bundesliga um i don't think mangan will go anywhere near him but he will be in the premier league at some point he's not going to want a big increase though, is he?

14:43Says Robert McCormack. Yeah, I think Chiumini will want an increase, but he's not. The update, Robert, from Romano, is that he's on big wages. He's not on big wages. He might ask for big wages, but he's not on big wages. And also, the point still remains, Robert, what homework are we doing? We spoke to his agent in March. What did we do? Oh, you're excited for the World Cup? up maybe speaking to his agent about salary expectations would have been a good idea every day passes it gets my more scary says amit how can the united board expect to get a marquee signing when they don't want to pay a big transfer fee and also a good salary and they see menu as the marquee midfielder says keel maybe players don't want to play for carrick he's not exactly experienced or they don't want to play for the club no ambition says trigger and i'm from south africa says ryan curious what makes the uk heat so bad here it goes into the mid 40s sometimes in the summer and everything goes on as normal are we and our bodies just used to it i mean it's a very interesting non-football question i think the main problem is mate we're just not set up for it if it gets snowy we shut we close the schools um if it gets hot we've closed the schools the country is completely and utterly not woke but weak the the the uk i grew up in in the 80s and 90s doesn't exist anymore any extremity of weather and everything shuts down we're just we're just weak.

16:08That's what we are, in my opinion. Also, our houses are built to keep heating because we're a colder climate, so it becomes unbearable. But yeah. Anyway, I'll tell you who's also weak, Man United's board. Let's have the update here on Fernandes because if I'm being honest with you, I think that with regards to Fernandes, it ain't looking good, Brev. Tottenham and West Ham are already negotiating for Mateus Fernandes. The player has already given his approval to the transfer. That's from Matty Moreto via MUFC MPB. That's not great, is it? Tottenham are increasingly confident they can beat Man United to signing him for up to£80 million.

16:49And also a few other ITK accounts are saying that Fernandes to Tottenham is getting closer and closer. Look, that Matty Moreto update concerns me a little bit because it mentions that

17:09he's happy to go to Spurs and they're negotiating for the deal. There are still a few journalists. I mean, we've got Ben Jacobs on at two o 'clock, so we'll be able to get a good update. I think at this point, you know, the only people I really want to listen to are reliable journalists. I can't be dealing with rumour and all that nonsense. I mean, you know, we were told that he only wanted United. what's happened to that? We were told we'd been in negotiation for months. What happened to that? So I think in relation to Fernandes, there is still obviously stuff about United being quietly confident, et cetera, et cetera.

17:47But I was speaking to somebody last night and they just basically said, and they're not attached to the deal. It's just somebody I know in the industry. And they said, look, if Spurs have the player, they'll get, they've just got a bid high and they'll win. Man United don't like it when it's a bidding war. And I think it just comes down to that. I do have a theory, though, and it comes back to what somebody just said about Michael Carrick. I was thinking about this this morning. So in relation to Mateus Fernandes, I think sometimes it's difficult to put yourself in the shoes of the other party.

18:26We're Man United fans. We're proud. We love the football club. We only see Manchester United. Why would you want to go to Spurs? Hanging out at the pool is great. Relaxing and playing Vegas-style games on my phone at the same time. Drinking one hand and a blackjack in the other. It's all at SpinQuest. Over a thousand games, including your favorite slots and table games. Be cool with this summer special. New players get$30 coin packs for$10 at SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details. This is the story of the one. As a maintenance engineer at a beverage manufacturing plant, he starts his day knowing every line is ready to run because Grainger delivers the industrial-grade products he needs to keep mixers, conveyors, and packaging equipment moving.

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19:56It's not the right move to go to Real Madrid at the moment. The pressure would be huge. You're still developing. What you actually need is a couple of years more development and staying on Real Madrid's radar. Well, George Mendes will keep him on the radar. We've got Spurs, we've got Man United. You go to Man United, you basically go into the English Real Madrid without the prospect of being a team that's going to win anything. So the pressure's even more. You go into that midfield, you're now the replacement for Casemiro, you're only 21, you've basically got to go in there and play as one of the best midfielders in the world, otherwise you're a flop within three months.

20:32you go to Spurs it's Spurs you know Spurs have finished fourth from bottom for the last two years if you finish sixth you've had a great year the pressure's less the wages are more and in two years you can go to Real Madrid and I thought to myself I don't want to listen to that but in reality you'll get paid more you'll still be able to go to Real Madrid in a couple of years if you want to the pressure will be less you'll stand out more it's I'm not saying he's going to sign for Spurs. But, you know, taking the red tinted glasses off, I was like, who was the last young player that Man United signed that did well?

21:09Go to Man United, maybe end up being the next Donny van der Beek. Go to Spurs, you might end up being the next Gareth Bale. And also, are Spurs not more ambitious? Are they not willing to pay what you're worth? Well, you know, not pay what you're worth, but are they not willing to give you a good wage? Are they not willing to give you your club a good salary man united has got a lot of risk and not a lot of reward man united are trying to buy you on the cheap spurs are you know selling you a project so i just think that and look it's not done yet but i've got a bit of backtracking to do if he signs for spurs because i was taking the piss out of them a week ago um but if it does happen listen to those last couple of minutes, and I don't think anybody can argue with it, if his pathway is to go and play for Real Madrid or Barcelona or PSG, two, three years at Spurs, he's not going to fail.

22:03If he's a good player, you're not going to fail at Spurs. Spurs can be shit, and Harry Kane still gets, you know, Harry Kane still got praised, so did Son. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's concerning. But look, apparently Man United still retain confidence that they can get him. we're going to have to pay. We're going to have to pay. Apparently, if Spurs push the button, the wage is much bigger than our offer. The salary, sorry, the transfer fee is much bigger than our offer. And the extras are bigger than our offer as well. So effectively, Ates Fernandes would need to go. I only want to go to Man United.

22:49La, la, la, la, la. I only want to go Man United and then the price could get driven down to what we want to pay. He may not be thinking that. He might have George Mendes in his ear going, you go to Man United, they probably won't want to sell you ever. You go to Spurs two or three years, you'll be going to Real Madrid, another payday. And you have to think about this. Football fans don't. They listen to the regurgitated bollocks of liars and spinners. And the reality is, why would he go to Spurs? because in two or three years, he can move again. And if I'm his agent, in two or three years, I get a massive fee again.

23:26Whereas if he goes to Man United, he might flop. I'll never make any more money. He might sign a new contract. It's a little bit of money. They're very unlikely to sell him again, are they? So you can see why it's starting to go that way. But what I would say is we've left the door open for that opportunity and Spurs have took it. We should have slammed that door shut two or three weeks ago and we'd never be in this situation at all. We should have done. But we're not willing to be moved quickly. We move at our own speed and that leaves the door open for other people. Penny Pincher's FC is exactly, says Tantric.

24:02Daniel Thompson says they're so obsessed about the stadium that they're willing to let the team that will actually play in it get weaker. They're asking character to fix a Ferrari with no tools. Arshon says, I mean, if£20 is so much for this board, just go to Scott Sage and put 65 on the table instead of 85, use that other 20 for likes of Ciumini. And Sub says, please help us understand from when good players started coming cheap and since when good teams start diverting from them, says Sub. And Ami says, here's how this transfer window goes, in my opinion. In Edison, Ciumini, Agatit won't go.

24:36We won't get a left back or a left midfielder, so Rashford will be back. Look, in relation to Rashford, I don't propose to talk about Rashford in any depth, But I know that as things stand, him returning to the club isn't beyond the realms of possibility. All options are on the table, is basically what I've been told. It definitely feels like Carrick told them he is fine with the squad. That's why they're not really trying for transfers. Half-ass as JSD plays. And the only balls United have is in their ball lockers, as Ginger Red. What do you think of South Africa qualifying, says Franco? Great.

25:16We have a lot. I'm glad you reminded me, actually. We have a lot of South African Manchester United fans. And for them to bypass South Korea and go in through second place is absolutely brilliant for South African football. And African football in general is doing very, very well. You know, Ghana joined with England, Cape Verde, Ivory Coast. Yeah, so very, very good result for them. And I bet it was party time in South Africa last night. fantastic who's your desperate midfield signing we're going to come back to so look just before i move on summarizing the news this morning fabrizio romano basically saying that chiamini's wage is too high he's not actually on a high wage but man united already putting it out there that we're probably moving away from that one and enzo fernandez is apparently very close to signing for spurs um i'll you know there's enough people talking about it to be concerned what i will say is our reserve judgment until Ornstein or Romano or even a Ben Jacobs today or a Simon Stone or someone like that.

26:20I just want a bit of clarity because if I'm being completely honest,

26:30we need to see how United are going to navigate this. And as I said to you last night, there's only two scenarios left now. we either compete with Spurs and overpay, which goes against what we're all about, or we walk away to what? And let me just cover this for a moment. I'm not blind. You know, I do go on social media. It's fantastic for football because, you know, there's so much going on and that's the best place to get your updates, really. And whilst you're looking for those updates, you do sometimes see other people posting stuff. and again I have seen people saying well what why what what are West Ham doing who do they think they are well I'm pretty sure if it was Man United and Bruno Fernandes was leaving and Real Madrid wanted him and Bayern Munich wanted him we'd try and boost the price up wouldn't we we wouldn't go forget your good offer by Munich Real Madrid's the right move for him and let's sell him cheap I mean West Ham are just trying to get the best deal for themselves don't want anyone's moaning there.

27:33And secondly, as well, we've got people saying, you know, we should walk away. How many times do you want to walk away? To those United fans that are thinking it's OK to walk away, two things. Why is it OK to keep walking away from Mateus Fernandes, Tonali, Anderson, Diamande, Lewis Hall? Why is it OK? And what's going on in your head as a football fan, not a finance fan, as a football fan, why are you so motivated and happy with Man United walking away from players that are going to make us better? At what point did you lose track of what a football fan is? We're fantasists. We're meant to believe, we're meant to be excited.

28:16We're not meant to go, I'd walk away because it's another five million quid. I'd walk away because it's another 50 grand a week. That's not our job. As I said to you before, when we signed Andy Cole, when we signed Ruud van Nisseroy, when we signed Wayne Rooney, I didn't look at the fee and go, oh, that's 10 million more than we should pay. And it's another 50 grand a week more than we should pay. Let's walk away. We've lost that because we're owned by penny pinchers. We've become indoctrinated into this ridiculous notion that we should walk away from players because it's a little bit expensive.

28:48It's football. It's always been the way. Always been the way. Somebody will always pay over the odds to get the players that they want. And we have fans now who actually agree with us walking away. Walk away to what? Elliot Anderson, plan A, walk away. Tonali, plan B, walk away. Chumini, maybe plan C, walk away. Mateus Fernandes, plan D, walk away. How many more times? I don't want to sign plan F, G and H. It's a ready-made fucking excuse. I don't want excuses. Go and get plan A. Go and get plan B minimum. I don't want to walk away. I didn't want to walk away. I'm not a hypocrite. I said this three weeks ago about Elliot Anderson.

29:37I wouldn't have walked away from£120 million. If he's the guy that's going to change our future, it's 20 million quid. We all know he's 100 million pounds. If it's 120 to get him, it's 20 million quid. I wouldn't walk away. If Mateus Fernandes is the player that they think is the guy, and I don't necessarily think he is, but if they think he's the guy and look, the data says he is, they've been spending weeks talking to him, you don't walk away for 15 million. Such a weird mindset to me to go, the data, well, at the end of the day, to Jim, the data says that Mateus Fernandes is perfect. You know, Elliot Anderson would be great.

30:15I know I'm not meant to mention him, Jim, but Elliot Anderson would be great, but he's too expensive. So I've run the data through and at the end of the day, Mateus Fernandes could be the next Elliot Anderson, the Portuguese Anderson, right? So he's the player to go for. We're walking away from that one as well. Fucking hell. I know I'm data Dean, but I can't just, I can't pull out fucking players out my ass. Elliot Anderson was the player. You didn't want to pay for him. I found Mateus Fernandes. You don't want to pay for him. I can't fucking find somebody else. It doesn't work like that. I can't find you an Elliot Anderson for 50 million pounds that nobody else is going to bid for and only wants 150 grand a week.

30:54I can't do it, Sir Jim. I can't and I won't. I've had enough. And it's true because the data says Elliot Anderson. We walk away. The data says Mateus Fernandes. Oh, it might be too expensive. They don't know their arse from their elbow. Oh, we're not going to pay silly fees and we're just going to follow the data. But the data took you to Anderson. The data took you to Diamande. The data took you to Mateus Fernandes. You can't walk. You're walking away from the data then, aren't you? You're walking away. What you're actually walking towards is cheap. It's got nothing to do with the data. It's got nothing to do with plan A.

31:28It's about cheap. Cheap won't win you the race. You know, it won't. you buy a cheap pair of trainers to run a marathon, no matter how many, how quick you are, as you get halfway around the race, your souls are going to come off and you're going to lose the race. You get what you pay for. You get what you pay for. The data says belabor, remember? Well, the data last summer said belabor.

31:53But one thing about data is it needs to be up to date. I always used to say in one of my jobs, don't give me data from last week. I need the data today I need to know what the data is today So anyway, that's where we are One slight positive, maybe French outlet, and he plays in France L 'Equipe say Man United are among the clubs Targeting 18-year-old midfielder Ayub Bouadi this summer Lille hope to make Bouadi their record sale this summer Amid growing interest in the highly rated young talent Look, look, if Man United think by missing out on Anderson and maybe Mateus Fernandes and Chimini and Tonali, if they think they can mess up all those deals and recover it by signing Buardi and I'm going to be happy about it.

32:49they'll be bloody right of course I would love to sign this player no I would love to sign this player but unfortunately my feeling is that I'm going to go with the data and last week or two weeks ago when Bwadi had that good game for Morocco I sort of put my hand up and said I'd heard of him but not really and then all the credible journalists said well no he's a good player he's not just turned up to the World Cup He's a good player. Arsenal have looked at him for months. PSG have looked at him for months. So he's been scouted for a long time before this World Cup by other clubs. And the update was Man United hadn't.

33:30So I don't think we're in for Buadi. I think that as we've spoken about many, many times before, we're probably being used. You throw Man United into, I mean, it's just clever by Lil. if Lille put Man United in there it just adds a little bit to the price doesn't it? We won't be in there we won't be in there right you know why we won't be in for Boadi? Because one, we weren't in for him in the first place which is quite surprising and two it's a bidding war so we will not like that at all we won't like it at all so I don't think we're in for him but look it's a new show and there it is. Have the glazes not worked out?

34:16Shirt sales would go through the roof if we get a marquee signing. We make big revenue already, so imagine, says It's Nikkei. And do you ever think you'd live in the world where you thought that Edward Woodbloat wasn't that bad? Linneos are factually worse than the banker. I'm scared, says Pete. To be honest though, Pete, my mind doesn't really work like that. I know some people do think that we were better under the glazes than we are under Ineos because they would write the big checks and I suppose in a way I can understand the preference. However, I thought the Glazers and Woodward were bloody awful.

34:46I thought they spent stupid money on wrong players and gave stupid wages. I think Ineos won't pay wages and won't pay stupid fees. The clever point is to spend good wages and good fees on the right players. Glazers spent the money on the wrong players. Ineos won't spend the money on the right players. So for me, you're just comparing different shades of shit. What we actually need is competent people that when we wake up in the morning and we watch this show and we get the updates, we're going, finally, we're behaving like a big football club. And it's not that difficult. Brighton do it. Bournemouth do it.

35:22Man City do it. Liverpool do it. Arsenal do it. So many clubs behave well. And I'm not saying that Brighton don't operate with the budgets that we do, but within their lane, they are elite. you know contextually Brighton are up there with Man City in what they do within the budget and means that they have we just haven't operated like a competent football club for a very very long time um and that's all I want and I genuinely think I could sit in that boardroom like many of you and just be one voice providing clarity and understanding because they just don't seem to get it. Like I say, I'm not angry and frustrated.

36:04I'm not going to start shouting and everything like that. What's going on, everyone? It's Bluff here, and we're driving through the States in the Bluffmobile. And the best thing that we can do is play our favorite casino style games on SpinQuest. They have over a thousand games, including live dealer Blackjack and Craps, with tons of slots and unlimited options. You can get a$30 coin pack for just$10 for new users. Sign up today, go to spinquest.com right now. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. I just think we're having a very, very bad transfer window at the moment, and we're putting some very bad messages out.

36:44As I say, I expected us to be the third camel on the ramp of the Noah's Ark, fighting to go on it in the rain. What we're actually doing is just Craig David FC walking away, isn't it? And I'm like, did not expect that. Our PR at the moment's crap. What's it call it? Perception of Man United at the moment is bad. They can control that, by the way. Man United are a very, very big brand. They've got a very, very big machine. They can like it or not. They can be relaxed or not. They can be quietly confident. I always say this, you know, think what you like about the fans. You can think we're... an inconvenience or an irritant or whatever you like, but the reality is nobody's making it up.

37:34Your perception in this fan base at the moment out of 10 is probably a two. In a transfer window, I think you should always be operating between a six and an eight. Why does the head not talk to the tail? Why did Man United not figure that out? They are very locked in on social media and shares and all this lot, right? Why do they not figure out that actually having a good relationship and a feel-good factor around your football club is very important? You know, Man United should be operating at a 7 or an 8 in relation to how we feel about the football club this summer, especially considering we've qualified for the Champions League and we've got a new manager.

38:19I'd say we're operating around a 2 or 3 at the moment. and you know even the even the inios rimmers and all that lot are you can sense their concern as well they're literally praying that this mateos fernandez deal happens so they can go i told you so um and i hope it does happen but at the moment whether we end up with a good window and it can still happen at the moment again they've took their eye off the ball in relation to the perception they portray to the people who matter the most, which is you. We're not giving off the vibes of a football club that's in control. I mean, at the end of the day, we're battling with Spurs for our number one target.

39:01And Spurs are pushing us up in price. Irish Beckham, we are joke of a club. Thanks, Ineos. Thank you very much. And Ben says, it's the same cycle as usual. We get Champions League football and don't get what we need. Let's get all excited. We bought some land. Well, look, Ben, I mean, I sort of hinted at this last night. My assumption is that Arsenal and Man City will get top five. And my assumption is that top five will get you to the Champions League because I think English clubs will do well again and get the extra spot. So two of the five spots are gone. I think Arsenal and Man City have them on lockdown, right?

39:37three spots left there's Man United there's Liverpool there's Chelsea there's Aston Villa and there's probably you could argue Spurs so five clubs going for three spots you know you've got more than a 50 % chance however Liverpool Man United Chelsea Liverpool Man United and Villa, we're all playing Champions League football, Chelsea and Spurs arm. We've seen how advantageous that can be. Also, who's going to have the best transfer window? So, all right, we've got a good chance of finishing in the top five and ultimately that's probably what the club wants. What about Newcastle, Marxers, London?

40:23I mean, I think Newcastle, it's very difficult to tell. But my point is, we should be getting into the top five next season, but you can see very quickly how that might not happen. and if it doesn't happen, it's absolutely catastrophic and you know, you can't look at Man United's squad playing Champions League football and look at Spurs' squad not playing Champions League football if they get Fernandes and Tonali and go we're definitely going to finish above Spurs they could be a club that pushes out people ignore Amrim contribution last transfer window, Carrick will just take whatever Enios give him, one call with Amrim and player was convinced, says Roos and Goldfridge says, haven't we learned from Fernandes and Spurs that you can't play around with these players' agents in the marquee?

41:09Signalling we won't pay 250k a week, Ciomini won't make him lower his demands but push him to a rival. And yeah, just on Ciomini, by the way, he is for sale. It's just Real Madrid need to get players in first. So the update that there's no indication that he's leaving Spurs or he wants to leave Real Madrid or he wants to leave Real Madrid. He does. He will. And it can happen. The board failures with players on big wages in the past means fans let them get away with little to no spending on big players now. It's shameful. I think this is a very good point from Thomas. Because the board spent silly wages and silly transfer fees in the past, some of our fans are on board with not doing it again.

41:51I mean, this is like a, you know, Christmas to the Glazers. They're like, we don't want to spend money. We want to service the debt. And we've actually got fans in our fan base that applaud us for doing it. Like there's literal facilitators in our fan base that let them off the hook. Well, I don't think we should pay over 200 grand a week for a player. I don't think we should pay over 80 million pounds for a player. I mean, this is literally Glazeronomics. They want this. They want to not spend money. And some of our fans are going, great, brilliant. Let's not spend money. Why should we? We're only a football club trying to be successful.

42:27Why should we spend money? It's mad. My personal, unprofessional, uneducated opinion, I don't rate anyone available in this window. None of them excite me. Not excusing, not getting them, says Keel. Well, I was asked this question earlier. What's my midfield, right? I disagree with you, Kiel. I think Mateus Fernandes doesn't massively excite me. I think he's a talented player, but I'd rather get Scott. I've always said that. Scott is an interesting prospect, but he's a prospect. Baleba, I think, is a massive mistake and not very good. Stilla would have been an interesting outlier, but we've not gone there.

43:09Same with Enmica. So, you know, all these players I'm going through, I would agree with you, Kiel. I'd go, look, it's not like they're game-changing signings. Some of them are prospects. Some of them I don't think would work. However, I do think a Bruno Gimérez, an Elliot Anderson, a Sandro Tonali change Man United. I think when players like that are gettable, those three players change Man United. I thought Bruno Gimérez was brilliant for Brazil last night, but I think he's brilliant for Newcastle. And I know he's going to be 29, but I think he's one of the best midfielders in Europe. I think Sonali's one of the best midfielders in Europe.

43:49I think Elliot Anderson's going to be one of the best midfielders in Europe. So there were and are players available that changed this Man United summer. We just don't want to do those deals. Patrick Lynch says, This summer seems to be very reminiscent of the Carrick appointment. We like Enrique, Tuchel, etc., but we can't get them. Let's go with Carrick. Doing the same with our targets. We want Anderson, etc., but end up with lesser. I was actually thinking this yesterday, Patrick, and I don't know whether I said it or sort of skirted around the edge, but absolutely, I think a lot of people will agree with what you're saying there.

44:21I think I did sort of touch on it yesterday, but I don't think I conveyed it as succinctly and correctly as you have. Exactly. You know, Michael Carrick's our manager. I hope he does really well. Edison's our midfielder. I hope he does really well. but if I'm being honest and you have to be honest it wouldn't have been my manager and it wouldn't have been my midfielder that's not their fault that's recruitment you know Tuchel Iriola Enrique Nagelsmann however many managers that are out there that I would have gone for over Carrick we didn't we settled on Carrick in the midfield in the summer transfer window Diamonde Lewis Hall Elliot Anderson Tonali Bruno Gomerez maybe Matias Fernandes no we're not we can't get them let's go for someone else this becomes a problem if you're doing it with your manager and you're doing it with your players you know it becomes a problem it does and and and as i said i can't stop thinking about that third camel trying to get you know running away from noah's ark because they don't want to fight into the rain to drown you know we don't seem to want to fight.

45:32I expected us to go, I genuinely expected us to go, fucking hell, we got away with that. You know what I mean? Where we were at the start of January was a mess. A manager that we were going to build a club with is sacked because he falls out with Wilcox about recruitment. You then interview two interims because you can't decide Solskjaer or Carrick. you land on Carrick, easily could have gone soul shot. You land on Carrick and then Carrick gets the results to get us into the Champions League. I would describe that as we got away with it as a season. I don't think the board could sit there and go patting themselves on the back because you started it with a couple of hundred million pounds spend on a manager you sacked.

46:14And then you went with an interim who, you know, miraculously got us the results to get us in the Champions League. So I would have been sat there in this summer going, fucking hell, we really got away with that. We can't put ourselves in that situation again. Let's take this opportunity. Let's grab it by the horns and let's make sure that next season we don't put ourselves in this position again. What it feels like we've done is we're fine. Chill, calm down, relax. We're fine. And I actually think we needed to go. We got away with it. Now the time's to go to work. And it feels like, well we got what we wanted let's not let's let's not let's not let's relax morning mark what i worry about with our strategy is what message does it send to bruno and our top players we need to keep these guys too this is chatter biscuit i think in relation to um i think in relation to bruno if you look at that update from ben jacobs i don't think that i don't think bruno's going to leave because we don't buy Tonali.

47:14I think what Bruno's going to do is say, I'll give it a year. And I think he's just going to give it a year from now on. And if we end up with a shit season, he'll go. So I don't think Bruno's going to go, oh, you haven't bought enough players. I'm off. I think he's going to go, well, look, we're in the Champions League. I've just won player of the year. I'll stay. But if it goes shit, I'm going to go. Bruno will leave a sinking ship now um that's what i think um obviously he's not leave now but i think he will just go look while we're doing well i'm happy the minute it goes wrong i'll think about leaving so i don't think bruno is going to be dictated to about by transfers um tab says didn't several journalists say united would be the most active team this transfer window what happened how much will a mediocre season cost.

48:05Look, David Ornstein said that. Fabrizio Romano said that. We will be active in this transfer window. I don't agree with people saying we're not going to do anything. We will be active in this window and we clearly have got money to spend. In one way, I think if we've got£200 million to spend, we wanted to buy four players. I think we're walking away from deals because we probably want to buy four players and we're going, well if we buy this player over price we can't get that in so we will we will we will buy and we probably will buy quite a few players the problem is the quality of those players is going to go down every time we miss on what we want so we'll definitely buy players and we might have to polish a turd you know i'm sure when we sign our fifth choice midfielder there'll still be people out there saying they're better than Anderson we will buy players that's not my issue my issue is that again we're letting a manager down by not getting them the best that we can Scott says the stadium is the clear priority for Glynios, they weren't ever going to bid for Anderson or Tonali, let's be real, it's just pure spin as per, says Scott and what we are witnessing is that the pain for the stadium has already begun, price caps and spend caps will not go away until it's built, says The Sound Man.

49:24Oh, absolutely, mate. I mean, we've literally been talking about this on the channel for months. I think I said it about 18 months ago, in fact. I said, my fear, and it still is today, and I've never been told this, it's just, I think people forget we can be passionate about something and sometimes, well, I certainly do it all the time, we can think scenarios through. I don't need Romano to tell me something. or David Ornstein, you know, we're passionate football fans who live and breathe Manchester United and football and watch all the games. And, you know, you do form your own opinions and you're allowed to do that.

50:05I mean, that's the brilliance of this community. So not everything is, you know, we shouldn't be sheep who just follow every bit of story and allow that to be our opinion. I said it to you 18 months ago, my fear, and I've not been told this. My fear is that this ownership is only interested in the stadium because once that stadium's built, the value of the football club goes from six to 10 billion overnight. So they've doubled their money. So the stadium is a massive part of the Glazer and Ineos strategy. You build that stadium, you've doubled your money, right? How do you build the stadium? Well, you need to tighten your belt because you've got to pay for it.

50:52How do you tighten your belt? Don't pay any player over 200 grand a week. How do you tighten your belt? You don't buy any player over 80 million pounds. How do you tighten your belt? We only buy people under 26 because at least there might be a resale value. But what if we want to buy a player that's 90 million pounds and 250 grand a week? We don't do it. We don't do it because we've put the model in place. And for the next six years, if we stick to that model, we'll save this amount of money. That's my fear, is that these parameters are rigid because if you go beyond them, you mess up the plan for what they're doing with the stadium.

51:34My fear is that they are literally banking on Champions League football in fourth or fifth place for the next five, six, seven years on a reduced wage budget and a reduced transfer budget. And you can map that. Was it not Omar Barada that said 18 months ago, we've strategised to be in the, you know, for the minimum of Europa League for the next three years? They've run the numbers, in my opinion. And I don't believe for one minute when Omar Barada said, we want to win the league by 2028, so it's this year or next year. I just, I laughed. You know, I did. I was like, no, absolutely not. No, no, not going to happen.

52:17how can you win the league when Tonali and Fernandes are signing for Spurs if they sign for Spurs how can you win the league when a team behind you has more ambition you've got to have a bigger ambition than Arsenal and Man City to win the league we haven't even got a bigger ambition than bloody Spurs at the moment so Arsene I've read a few of your super chats I will go back

52:44Man was a very good one Mark says great show not looking forward to the ben jacobs update later the last two have been frightening yes i mean that's the problem is it i can't i can't guarantee it's going to be good news um pete phillips says bruno had to be persuaded that were ambitious to stay last year if i was him i'd be fuming also potential players will look at the lack of ambition um john says what's annoying is that after fernandez we're not strongly linked to anyone if that deal was too hard pivot we need six players not endless bluffing can we offer someone from the bomb squad plus cash says tom and Arshan says just because the Glazers paid mad wages and transfer fees for players like Lukaku Sancho doesn't mean you shouldn't pay good wages and transfer fees for good players it's not the same thing exactly exactly Arshan and the worrying thing is certain people put that out there as a reason not to spend big money but if I sat those certain people and said right you know all these people who say we should walk away and we shouldn't spend big money and we spend big wages.

53:44Imagine if we grabbed them, put them in the boardroom and said, you have two years to take Man United to a title because that's what everybody wants. Tell us how you're going to do it. Every one of them will come to the conclusion that we need to spend big money on big players. So why are they telling us to walk away? If somebody has a strategy for us to win the league in the next two or three years by not spending on good wages and good players, pray tell us. You know your strategy of walking away from every decent player that we're linked to? Tell us how we walk away from all these good players and win the league.

54:24That's all I'm saying. Tell us how we do it. Because that's the strategy of the football club at the moment. We're going to win the league, but we're going to walk away from every decent player that's available. How are we going to win the league then? And don't talk to me about six or seven good young players coming through in another class of 92 because they were developed by the likes of Cantona and Schmeichel and Keane and Steve Bruce. So, and that was a one-off as well. So how are we going to win the league walking away from every decent player that's available?

54:58VIR says they were willing to pay 75 for Belaber, but suddenly Fernandes, who was only second to Anderson behind every metric apart from dribbling and evading pressure, we don't need a centre midfielder. It's appalling. Thank you very much for that as well. The new stadium could fund superstar players after that, says SXC. Mate, just use your real name, Joel. I mean, look, I'm not getting angry this morning. So, you know, you can try and rage bait me, but that's got to be one of the most inflammatory comments I've ever seen. The new stadium could fund superstar players after. I might be dead by then, mate.

55:37that could be 10 years away. And you want, you know, what am I supposed to do with that? Oh, in a decade, when we built the stadium and it's starting to bring money in, we might go and buy the Elliot Andersons of this world. I'm sorry. Trust me, bro. Ain't going to work anymore. But you know what? There's probably fans out there that are cheering you, you know? In 10 years, when we built the stadium, we might start spending the money on the Elliot Andersons. So, So basically we're going to be 25 years without a title, are we? It's already embarrassing enough that out of the top six, we're the club who hasn't won the Premier League for the longest period of time.

56:13Sorry, top five. Don't put Spurs in there. Yeah, nonsense. Nonsense. OK, thank you, everybody. We are back at two o 'clock with Ben Jacobs. So we will get updates on everything for you then. Also, today is an eight o 'clock. We've got an eight o 'clock show tonight because the World Cup is at nine o 'clock with the Germany group. So we can do eight o 'clock and then go over to that. So we're in our normal slot tonight. Two o 'clock with Ben Jacobs. I'll be in the chat for that one. It's the BNB show with Beth and Ben. And also I'm doing a midnight watch along tonight as well. It's the Japan and Netherlands group as well, isn't it?

56:53So, yeah, I tell you what, maybe that's why I'm so calm. The World Cup on That's Football watch alongs. I know some of you come over anyway. It's my escapism. And it's funny because we'll be doing a watch along and some of you maybe will go, what do you think about the Fernandes situation? What do you think about Man United midfield? And I normally will be quite blunt and say, please leave me alone. This is that's football. We're watching the World Cup. It's pure escapism. And I love not talking about Man United over there. But over here, it's what we do. And thank you to everybody who tuned in live.

57:26If you didn't tune in live, then obviously get your comments in. I know not all of you can catch it live, but there's lots to get your teeth into. And we'll speak to Willow a little bit later. Take care. Stay safe. Have a good day.

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