458: Tchouameni TRANSFER Request! Scott, Nmecha, Santos Man Utd Transfer News

0:00Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United transfer news. Some incredible bits of news coming in this morning, which is what you want on a news show, a Cermini transfer request with a twist. Incredible, absolutely incredible. We've also got some interesting stuff coming out from The Athletic and some journalists that I will call client journalists backing the Glazers, backing Ineos, making excuses for them. What's that all about? What's going on with Emetra? What's going on with Alex Scott, what's going on with Santos. There is a load of stuff to go through this morning.

0:33And, you know, we're going to start off straight off with Fabrizio Romano's update. However, I do want to just throw this in from Scott Aiden, just to start to pretend in the live chat, he says, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think Sander Berg would be a good signing for us. I'm not saying he's world class, but I think he can come and be a solid player for us. Scott, we're not fucking Everton. He's not even the best Berg in the midfield for bloody Norway either. He's not. The other Berg's better than him. Anyway, let's get into the show. We're going to start off with this Cimini story.

1:08Now, you know my stance on this. And at the moment, it's a little bit like one voice singing in the darkness, which seems to be the case anyway, in the creator space, in the journalistic space. Hardly anybody seems to want to call United out for being bad at what they're doing. There seems to be, you know, everybody is too busy clamping their lips to the Glazer's arse. But a lot of people talking about bid coming, first bid coming, big bid coming, Chiumini's all or nothing. Chiumini's they're trying to make it better, but they don't seem to know what's going on with Chiumini. It's not even that very difficult.

1:43It's not even difficult to find out. We've got all these people who, you know, take a pop at everybody else because their shit don't stink. And they are peddling this crap that we're close to signing Ciumini, that a bid's going to go in, that he's begging to come to United. It's just not true. It's not true at all. The truth of the matter is, is that when it comes to Ciumini and it comes to Manchester United, he is nowhere near signing for us. Absolutely not. And I think that when you look at how it's playing out at the moment, Incredible update from Fabrizio Romano, where it basically says Man Utd view Chumini as their dream world-class replacement for Casemiro due to his elite quality and mentality.

2:29However, two major issues remain. His high salary at Real Madrid, which would need negotiating down, and the lack of a green light from Madrid to negotiate a sale. United love the player, but must wait for Real's decision. Now, Fabrizio Romano is not my source on this, but my source on this is more close to the player side and the Madrid side. But Fabrizio Romano has been pretty well tapped in on Real Madrid news this summer. and we are to believe content creators, ITKs and British journalists who seem to be peddling some bullshit that United are sailing over to Madrid with a load of cash to save Cermini from the clutches of Jose Mourinho.

3:15It's like the bloody Spanish Armada. I'm half expecting what's-his-name, Sir Francis Drake, to turn up. It's a load of bollocks. It's an absolute load of shite. The truth of the matter is Is that when you listen to what Fabrizio is saying And you add it into what we've been talking about Since Thursday That this is off Any prospect of Chumini is off And then you add in what Romano said In the last 24 hours We're basically asking Chumini To take a pay cut We're basically saying he's our dream target But two major issues remain One, his salary would need renegotiating because it's too high. And two, Madrid would actually have to need to sell.

3:59So I'm sort of like, I'm sort of sat here this morning in front of you good people, and I'm going, so we basically want Chouamini to put in a transfer request and take a pay cut to sign for Manchester United. Who do we think we are? Like, do we think we've just won the treble? Who do we think we are? I mean, I, as a United fan, would actually question the intelligence and decision-making of Chumini if he went, I want to go to Man United, I'm putting a public transfer request in, and I'll take a pay cut to go there as well. You know, what else do we want him to do? Cut the grass at Old Trafford.

4:40You know, I just... And look, this is coming in from Credible. This is coming in from Fabrizio. This is like, again, the update is his wages are too much. He's on 210 grand a week. we pay Mason Mayant 250 to sit on his arse and model kits but Ciumini, a starter for France, a starter for Real Madrid one of the best holding midfielders in the world we want him to take a pay cut from 210 grand a week so look, you can get excited you can start thinking he's signing for Manchester United and maybe there is a scenario where it does happen but it ain't close, it ain't a prospect and to be honest with you, it's Man United again almost.

5:22And you've got to question why they do it. Why do they actually do it? You know what I think it is? And I think somebody said it last night. I think what United are doing is they're publicly burning every signing that you want so that psychologically, when they do buy a load of shit, you go, well, we've tried with everybody else. But when you actually analyze it, our trying with everybody else is just complete and utter cowardice because of money. You know, we tried for Mateus Fernandes. No, we lost to Spurs in a bidding war. We tried for Anderson. No, we didn't even bother. We tried for Tonali.

5:59No, we just didn't want to pay. Oh, we tried for Chimini, but his wages are too much. What do you mean his wages are too much? You asked him to take a pay cut to come to Manchester United. So I don't know who we think we are. I don't know what world we think we're operating in but it seems to me united transfer policy is we're gonna operate under our own strange rules where it's almost i wonder if man united go to the agents of players and go i know there's a real world but you've have you ever heard of work um you know what's that what's that game what's that shop called in the uk where everyone goes and plays with their little figures is it warhammer or something like that have you ever heard of warhammer well you know it's like an alternative reality, right?

6:45And that's what we're doing. We live in an alternative reality to the rest of football, right? And this is our rule book and we're going to send it to you, read it because that's the world you need to operate in now. Don't listen to the real world. We've got our own world, right? And in the real world, Mateus Fernandez is 85 million pounds, but in our world, he's 60. In the real world, Chumini, you're on 210 grand a week. In our world, you're not worth anything more than 150. And it's almost like we're operating to our own rule book and we're expecting everybody else to swallow it. And I would be saying, well, I'll say it now.

7:28We haven't been near a league title in 13 years, not the near one. Right. Nowhere near it. Right. We haven't played good football in 13 years. And you know what? I'll die on this hill. I've said this before. I can't remember United playing 10 good games in the last 13 years, let alone three in a row. We just don't play good football. It's a 50-50 if we're going to qualify for the Champions League over the last decade, factually. We have shit owners who've pumped us into billions of debt. We sack managers on the regular. The club is completely and utterly chaotic. it needs a new stadium I don't know what the grounds are to say you need to put a transfer request in and take a wage cut to come to Man United I genuinely don't know what it is I mean maybe they get Gary Neville to their video game we're Manchester United because I just don't I don't know what it is that makes Man United think that they can play off the name of United they've destroyed the name of Man United 13 years ago you might be able to play on the name of Man United, but not now.

8:41And that's not our fault. That's the club's fault. You know, they've ruined the name of Man United to a point where you literally cannot go to a decent player like Ciumini and say you need to put a transfer request in and take a pay cut to come to United. This is his last big contract as well. So, yeah, look, I would ignore every other update about Ciumini, about bids and priorities and United are going to go for him. and I would listen to what Romano said because it backs up a lot of what we're hearing as well. The likelihood is that Cermini stays at Real Madrid. The likelihood is that he signs a new contract at Real Madrid and the likelihood is that new contract is more money than what he's on now.

9:22How we're expecting him to put a transfer request in and take a pay cut is absolutely laughable and it sort of does indicate the problems that we have at United at the moment. Let me know your thoughts. We'll also be talking about Scott as well in a moment and Meechia, an interesting update there. But there was something from The Athletic I wanted to talk about. It came in from, it was Andy Mitton, right? And look, freedom of conversation is absolutely fine. This is not abusive. This is not saying he's a crap journalist or anything like that. Far from it. I thought the interview with Barada was good.

9:58But I do believe client journalism does exist around Manchester United. And I think client journalism is where, you know sometimes you leave what's best for manchester united's football club and you pedal the line of what's good for the owners who i think are bad for the calling out so this is what andy had to say about united fans and their growing frustration with the way the club is handling the summer transfer in there now remember andy mittin sat down with berada only a few weeks ago and it was berada who peddled a load of shit to andy mittin about winning the league now maybe that should have been scrutinized more some people said andy mittin should have you know really gone in on that you can't i've i've done interviews with united you can't you can't do it because they won't do the interview so if even if andy mitt and wanted to go what are you talking about winning the league next year or the year after it's never going to happen you wouldn't be able to do that otherwise they wouldn't do the interview however i think some of these people you know the athletic the mail the manchester evening news they're so reliant on information from the club they're so reliant on a question in a press conference they're so reliant on an interview from a player that they're not proper journalists they won't actually say what needs to be said because they're scared of losing you know their their position in the club it's the same with certain ex-players at Rio who wants interviews with Bruno and people like that and you know wants to be involved with their brand deals and stuff like that these people know where their butter is you know their bread bread is buttered now for someone like myself I'm more than happy to talk to United, but on the principle of I'm not going to rim you, not rim anyone, but I'm not going to do it.

11:37I'm not going to kiss your ass and be nice about you to maintain some relationship where you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Not going to do it. That's not the world I grew up in. I remember journalists around England and Man United when I was growing up who still had relationships with United, but would say what they wanted to say. And United would respect that. We live in a world of propaganda now and United need calling out more than any time in most people's lives. We need those journalists of the 80s and 90s around Man United now desperately and we don't have it. We just have client journalists who, in exchange for an interview, will glaze something that is damaging and sinking the club.

12:17So when Andy was asked about United fans growing frustration with the way the club's handling the transfer window i feel his reply was very much about maintaining a relationship with the club and defending a situation that is indefensible in my opinion but this is what he said and it's all about opinion he said i'm not saying fans shouldn't be frustrated but there is still a long time to go in the window but when you've seen the prime targets joining other clubs um it takes time some getting used to because united were the apex hunter for a long time they were the club who could go out and pick the best players um you know you'd go to tottenham and get burbatov or carrick and that's not happening now and that's a pretty sobering reality so your man united have got to grow slowly and fans don't want united to grow slowly united need two midfielders now for the champions league the facts are man united know they need players uh but there's a budget probably 120 to 130 million do you blow that all on one player when you need three or four players when ideally he'd move on a couple of players, one of whom he can't now move on because he's injured, and that's Agate.

13:20You've also got to keep the players who you've got. You don't want to be selling a Bruno Fernandes, and I've got no indication that he is moving on. So there's lots of moving parts here. People at the club are working very hard to get the deals done. Now, look, that's not a complete and utter propaganda piece, but it is softening a bad situation. It is. People at the club are working very hard to get the deals done, right? If there's a dog shit on your kitchen floor and somebody comes in to clean it and the mop they're using is a mop and bucket that's already got shit in it and then they're mopping it up, they can work as hard as they want.

14:02They can work for 10 hours. Your kitchen floor is going to get shittier and stinkier and it's not going to get clean. so working hard is not the same as working smart i think we often hear that hear this i remember john murta a few years ago there was an article that came out i can't remember who the journalist was john murta's working really hard it was a shit summer transfer window but john murta's working really hard he's working from six o 'clock in the morning till 10 o 'clock at night now it turns out it'd forgotten his password. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. But look, working hard ain't good enough for Manchester United, right?

14:40Working hard ain't like, oh, don't worry, you've messed up the summer, but pat on the back, you've worked hard. This is Manchester United. It is elite. It is an elite football club. Working hard, I expect. I expect that. You know, if a player comes off the pitch and you sub them and you go, but I've been running around for ages, why have you subbed me? I'll be like, hold on a minute, mate. This ain't school sports day in 2026 where everybody gets the first prize for running. This is Manchester United Football Club. Working hard is a minimum. You were playing shit. You were running around like a headless chicken.

15:17Now, I'm sure your whoop says you've run around and run more than Bruno, but he's done something. Now, shut up and get out of my face. So working hard to me is just an excuse. And I listen to what Andy says there and I'm like, people at the club are working really hard to get the deals done. Oh, oh, that's OK then. No, it's not. It's not OK. As for the facts are Man United know they need players, but have a budget that's probably around£120 to£130 million. pounds. Oh, again. Sorry. Sorry. Shit. Sorry. I've been moaning about us not buying Tonali and not buying Anderson and not buying Mateus Fernandes.

15:57Sorry. It was my fault. We've only got a budget of 130 million. Yeah. Don't go and buy decent players then. Buy three or four shit players for 120 million pounds. I'm not having that either. Hold on a minute. Why should Man United fans go, well, we've only got a budget of 130 million pounds for the midfield. Why have we only got a budget of 130 million pounds. I'm pretty sure the last financials that came out was that we're doing a great job by overcharging fans for no football. I'm pretty sure Tottenham finished fourth from bottom, have just spent nearly 200 million pounds on two midfielders.

16:29Why is our budget so low? That's not an excuse. I don't have to put up with that at all. And the other one for me was there's still a long time to go in the window. Yeah, but there's not though, is there? Because a transfer window and its success is not based upon how long is left in the window. You know, an all you can eat takeaway, sorry, an all you can eat buffet might be open from six o 'clock at night till 10 o 'clock at night. And it might be eight o 'clock when you walk in and you could go, well, there's plenty of time left, we can still eat, but that buffet might not replenish its food.

17:07So the people who were there at six and ate all the good stuff, that ain't coming back. So you can walk into that all you can eat buffet at eight o 'clock with two hours before closing and go, oh, I don't know what people are panicked about being hungry. You know, there's plenty of time till it closes. But if you put your hand up and say, yeah, there was loads of nice food here, but it's gone now because everybody's taken it and they're not going to replace it. Again, it doesn't matter how long is left in the transfer window if all the good players are gone. So I just, you know what? I think there are too many people around Man United who peddled the shit of the club to undermine the fans and make us feel guilty.

17:46Why are they doing it? If they are fans of the club, why do they do it? And I think it's for their own benefit, for their own relationships, because what a decent journalist should be doing at the moment, is absolutely rinsing the club for having 12 months to prepare for a summer transfer window, for knowing six months ago that Casemiro was going, for not spending in January so money was there to be spent, and only having Edison as we approach the 10th of July. Best in class. It's appalling, but we've still got people out there going, oh, today on the podcast, let's talk about how there's loads of time left in the window and Man United are working really hard and they're working to a small budget and United fans just need to take a chill pill.

18:30Well, we're fans. We're fans. You know, we're not corporate shills. We're fans. And we want to win. It's as simple as that. We'll come back to a little bit more of that, but I thought it was quite important to bring in. Let's go back to some transfer stuff. So also in the Athletic this morning, Man United are considered, there's a very good and meter updates as well. Chumini for me is off, by the way. As of now, I'm happy to say that deal is off and it's not happening. I am goading the club to do something, literally, because I know the situation and I know we're not doing that deal. So I would love some of that twat on the United stand.

19:09I'm absolutely fed up of him. He's rinsing us. He's absolutely rinsing us. He can't Miss is absolutely rinsed us this morning on absolutely everything. We're trying to get our client journalists to calm it down. And he's just absolutely destroyed us. Right. I'll tell you how we shut him up. Let's sign Chumini. And I'll tell you what, I'll go live and go. Lovely stuff. I'll love it if we go and sign Chumini. But not Joe surely says, I thought you didn't want to be an ITK. I don't want to be an ITK. I don't want to be an ITK. But we've been doing it for 10 years, mate and like Alexi Sanchez all those years ago sometimes we do get good information I don't necessarily go searching for it but don't listen to me listen to Fabrizio I said this deal was off four days ago listen to what Fabrizio said last night Madrid he's not for sale and he would have to take a pay cut to come to Manchester United now if you think we're signing a player that's not for sale and would have to take a pay cut to come to United who wants to stay at Madrid and we've walked away from deals that we don't want to overpay on the deal is off as of now Unless we can goad the club into doing something they don't want to do.

20:17So the deal's off, right? Unless United go and spend big money and force Madrid to sell. So let's see what happens with that. Similarly, with Alex Scott, I do fear that we are a week on now. A week on. Seven days. Craig, David. Seven days. Seven days on from the Fernandes deal collapsing. Mateus Fernandes' deal collapsed a week ago. It was here we go a week ago. What have we done in a week? Nothing. This ain't the last week of May. It's not the first week of June. We're now entering the second week of July and United have done nothing since being embarrassed by Spurs. All we're getting is Chouamini, which is a pipe dream, and now Alex Scott.

21:07So Man United are considering a move for Alex Scott, who has strong admirers inside the club. The Bournemouth midfielder remains one of the options being explored for United's midfield rebuild. What the hell are we doing considering a move on the 7th of July? If you've done your day to Dean and you're desperate to sign a midfielder and he's decent, what are you considering? What are we actually considering? Is anybody else thinking this? Like, what are we doing considering Alex Scott, the situation we're in? it's like being a bloke or a woman on the Titanic and the, you know, the Atlantic Ocean is on your toes and you feel it and going, that's bloody cold.

21:50I wouldn't want to be in there for very long. And in front of you, there's a lifeboat, right? And the guy is saying, I've got one space left. Take your chance. And you're like, hmm, let me have a think about this. And he goes, piss off, I'm off, right? What is there to consider about going for Alex Scott? If you don't, you're going to drown, you know? I don't know what we're considering. I don't know what we're considering, but we're working hard. We're working hard and there's a long time left in the window. Look, I think to be real, you could almost exchange. United are considering going in for Alex Scott.

22:37Two, Man United would like to sign Alex Scott, but do not have a bloody clue how to do it because Bournemouth don't want to sell and will want 80 million. And Man United are like, let's go to our rulebook. Our rulebook says 60 million and a cheap wage. I don't think United at this moment in time know how to do an Alex Scott deal because unfortunately, and it was in the Athletic as well, I think it was Laurie Whitwell said, in relation to Mateus Fernandes, and this is quite important if I can find you this, this was quite interesting. This will not help us in the pursuit of anybody. So Laurie Whitwell said this, it was a shock to people at Man United that they didn't sign Mateus Fernandes.

23:25There was an expectation that he would sign for United. They were prepared to meet West Ham's demands of£85 million, but with add-ons. Tottenham guaranteed that fee up front and the wages obviously came in. It leaves a big question as to who will come in and it felt like Fernandes was going to be the player after United weren't able to get Elliot Anderson. I feel like pressure is beginning to rise a little bit. So, you know, that's not us putting that out there. That's a journalist putting it out there that Man United were willing to pay£85 million, including add-ons for Mateus Fernandes. That's in the public arena.

23:57sometimes information doesn't benefit the club so if i'm bournemouth or i'm real madrid or i'm chelsea or any other club that we're looking to buy players for i'm like well you were going to pay 85 million pounds for mateos fernandez we'll have that thank you so i i think with um i think with alex scott the problem is we'll already be sat there going how do we not overpay. And you know what? As Andy Mitten said, there's plenty of time left in the window. Not really. Not really. Players are starting to come back for pre-season. The season starts in about five or six weeks. There's not that long left in the window and all the good players are starting to go.

24:39So prices go up. It's the Anthony effect, isn't it? Effectively. Compost says it's a pathetic fan base enabling this. I don't really understand. I don't think it's a pathetic fan base. I think it's an incredible fan base but i think we've just become the sensors uh desensitized to what what's happened to the club um i would argue we've not we've not been in a situation this bad before it's an absolute joke to be honest um thanks everyone who's watching this morning by the way uh please do share the video get involved of course i'm going to get into some of your comments in a moment but i want to give you the end meter update as well there's still loads to get into um plus i mean i feel a bit bad for andy mitt and he's you know but look i like andy mitt and in the sense that he says what he thinks and when you say what you think sometimes you can be scrutinized i think he is a little bit overprotective of the club if i'm being honest i'd like to you know definitely a united fan i'd like to see him openly talk about the damage that this ownership and board are doing to the club but i understand relationships have to be maintained um again quite a pro thing about andre santos which i think is laughable but we'll come back to that in a moment i want to talk about and mitcher a little bit of positive around the world cup as well um delo and bruno out of the world cup is probably a good thing for them because portugal were shit um they were gone holiday for three weeks and should be back in training with united by the end of end of the month so especially with bruno back that's that's quite a positive thing um but look in relation to enmica um i think this came in this morning um i think it was in the athletic Basically, price is a huge, huge issue Man United have Enmica on their list But the price is going to be around 120 million euros You know what?

26:26I'm not even shocked I'm not even shocked I think that many of you, like me, know football really, really well and know from years of experience how the market's going to play out. And when Elliot Anderson goes for 116 million and Tonali goes for 92 and Mateus Fernandes goes for 85, you've got quite a range of midfielders there going for lots of money. You know, if you're Dortmund selling a midfielder or you're Newcastle or you're Chelsea, you're going to just go, well, we're going to get more money. It's probably the worst summer for Man United to be signing players And the worst summer for Man United not to be selling players I mean, we're not very good at selling anyway But at least if we had a player in the market If we had a midfielder in the market that we didn't want anymore That we could sell, we'd do good money The worst thing about a summer transfer window like this Is if you're buying in it, you're going to overpay But if you're not selling in it, you can't oversell So it hurts you two ways if you've got a player that's worth 40 million but in this market they're worth 60 and then the player you want to buy is 80 but in this market they're 100 it's a 40 million outlay isn't it because you get 60 million back you spend 100 but for united we don't have anyone to sell so we're up paying on the signing players but we've got no one to sell so it hurts us it does hurt us but again that's the incompetence of the club um i think in relation to enmica i do like the player but again he's going to be very expensive and and i do struggle like many of you and i you know obviously i'll leave this to later in the show on purpose

28:18it's like a coffee and water chaser um a palate cleanser um i don't know where i don't know where we're going next i really don't know what we're going to do next um and i don't think the club know what it's going to do next. This would have been a really easy summer transfer window if we were ambitious. It would have been a piece of piss. The problem is it's a transfer window where prices are inflated, but that's the market and we don't want to pay them. And that becomes very difficult. It's like doing your Christmas shopping, but you don't want to spend any money. so your daughter might want a pair of airpods i'm not paying that your son might want a ps5 i'm not paying that your wife might want some tiffany jewelry i'm not paying that and it becomes a problem and then on christmas day morning you disappoint everybody because you weren't willing to pay for them you weren't willing to pay for the people that matter so you know you have your principles but you disappoint everybody and this is the problem with life is you can set your principles, but not everyone's going to go, well, I understand them.

29:23We're going to end up very disappointed. Very, very disappointed. So I don't know where we're going to pivot to. Obviously, Santos remains an option. This is what Romano had to say about Santos and Balaba. He said, Balaba would love to join Man United. In that sense, Balaba would love to, and personal terms wouldn't be a problem. United are aware of the player desire. He would be super keen on joining, But at the moment, United have not returned with an approach or a proposal to Brighton. I think this is really important to acknowledge that if United sign Belaber, it is an absolute admission of failure.

29:59Because even the decent journalists are not saying that, you know, there's any talks, there's any prospects of talks. He's literally a player that was of interest that we might go back for. But if we go back in for him, how low down the list is he? So remember that with Belaba. Maybe all roads lead to Belaba. But remember, this is a player that Manchester United are not actively looking at and haven't looked at all summer. So if we do end up going there, by admission of every other bloody journalist out there, we're not in talks with him. We haven't gone for him and we're not looking to at the moment.

30:41and I think that's very, very important. Loads of people in the chat are saying, I can't believe Man United think that Ciumini should take a pay cut. I mean, it's not as bad, but imagine like Haaland might leave Man City to come to United and we say, we will sign you, but you have to take a pay cut. I mean, it's just incredible arrogance and it's well out.

31:06It's just another example of United's failure. In relation to Santos, this is what Romano had to say And we haven't had a lot of big updates From the credible Romano and Ornstein in detail He said, look, Santos is a possibility for Man United Different profile of player But we'll have to wait for the verdicts on the Edison Medical I think that's really important All I'm saying is Let's see what happens with that Edison Medical Because the Santos deal makes a lot of sense if Edison deal falls through. Signing Edison and Santos makes absolutely no sense. I have no information on this. I'm not, you know, scaremongering or anything like that.

31:51But I just sense that we do this for so many years and I'm not even talking about United Stand. I'm talking about, you know, I was getting home from school at nine and going on Teletext looking at transfer news. You know, You consume this, you become very, very, very educated on football. I think that's why when we're watching a game with 20 minutes to go and a man gets sent off, you sort of percentage in your mind, you think, I know where this is going to go. I know how this game's going to go. I just think with Edison, those reports that came in were predominantly from Brazil that the deal was going to fall through.

32:27Do they know something about Edison that he's going to fail the medical? do they know something that there's something in edison's makeup that might be a problem in a medical and let me be very very clear if we buy a player that's just about to turn 27 with a medical issue we're idiots i mean we never should assign mason mount but look we'll have to wait and see romano said uh there has been contact to contact with the santos agent um and there has been contact previously um he is a name that favel really likes because he was a chelsea when when they brought him in um chelsea are not yet receiving any bid from anybody um they would be willing to let him go if there's a good proposal they're not desperate to sell him and if the player ends up end up saying they're happy um but in the case of a big proposal and it's not 20 or 30 million pounds has to be way more than this then eventually chelsea could consider his exit um he could be one to watch in the next few weeks and that you know sometimes you're better off getting the update from the best and i think that's the best update we've had on santos this is not a deal that's going to happen today tomorrow or this you know next few weeks um this is a deal that's going to happen sorry this is a deal that will happen in a few weeks time it's almost it's also a deal where chelsea will absolutely have our pants down this is not a 30 million pound deal it's probably not a 40 million pound deal um it's more likely to be you know a 50 60 million pound deal which is which is which is scary um so look santos isn't one for the now isn't going to be a quick deal but is a player that united are considering Just go back to what Andy Mitton said about Andre Santos as well.

34:19He said he's not perfect, but he's got Premier League experience. I think there's a feeling he's got a brilliant football brain. He'll be Brazil's next number six. He's an emerging talent, but he's not a settled talent. He's not an established talent, but then United need to sign players they can sell on. Oh, my God.

34:39When does the journalist stop and the fan kick in? You know, what the fuck? Like, what the fuck? United need to sign players who they can sell on. What? What? We're working hard. There's plenty left time left in the transfer window. The budget's small. They need to get quantity and they need to sign players who aren't ready that they can sell them on. I mean, I can't believe the words. I can't believe the words. He's not perfect. is an emerging talent, is not an established talent, but United need to sign players they can sell on. What? When? Why? How? When? What? Why do we need to buy players that we can sell on?

35:34When was that a thing? We're a business, not a football club. When are we going to get these people out of our football club? I'm not talking about Andy Mitton. He's a fan. I'm talking about the owners. What and why is that ever acceptable vocabulary around Man United? We need to buy players that we can sell on. No, no. I've never in my life as a United fan, and I guarantee if you ask Ricky or any fan that's been watching United in the 60s and 70s. We have never been a club that buys a player to sell on. Now, we're realistic. Sometimes, you know, Ronaldo comes in, does really well. His dream is to play for Real Madrid.

36:16But when we bought him, he was never bought to be sold on. We didn't develop Beckham and Scholes to sell them on. We didn't break the British transfer record for Roy Keane to sell him on. We buy players to keep them here for the rest of their career to help us win titles. I genuinely think that might have been a slip of the tongue by Andy Mitton, or it might be something that he's heard. But I genuinely think that's something they're trying to enter into the vocabulary of this football club. You know, we do need to buy players that we can sell on. Fucking hell. Well, what are we then? So if we buy Santos, which I don't think we should, and by some miracle he ends up being good, the end game is that we sell him for profit.

37:01oh well great you know absolutely brilliant so let's take a massive risk on a Chelsea player and give them good money for him in the hope that he does really well so then we can sell him for profit I just don't get that at all I think I think that's one of the scariest things that worries me is that my my conspiracy theory is that we don't want to win titles we just want to finish fifth and milk the Champions League for the for the owner's benefit but if we're now trying to buy players to sell on, then we're never going to be successful, are we? We're never going to be successful. As for Santos being Brazil's next number six, that might have been a good thing in the 90s.

37:41It certainly would have been a good thing in the 80s and the 70s. I don't think being Brazil's number six in 2026 is really that glamorous. You get to wear a nice kit in a club that was formerly a very good country. But Brazil's number six ain't really all that anymore. I don't think it is. I mean, you look at Brazil's midfield. We had Brazil's number six and he wasn't really up to the Premier League anymore. So, you know, whether Andre Santas starts for Brazil or not now, that for me ain't a, that's not a game changer anyway. And the fact that he's not ready to go and that Chelsea would happily get rid of him.

38:23Look, at the end of the day, let's call it out for what it is. If we sign Santos, he's way down the list. How do you justify that? If he's our plan A and United have been leaking since February that we only want Santos, fine. But this is a player that's literally popped up again in the last few days because we're desperate. We're desperate at the moment, aren't we?

38:52There is still a feeling that United are going to buy a marquee signing It's just going to be very interesting to see who that's going to be I've got to get into your comments I just want to make sure I give you everything from this morning Because there's so much Santos we've done Belaber we've done And Meech's price we've done

39:19Exits It's still nothing about Xerxi. Rashford's the most likely one. Agarte's injured. The Inder needs to go. Nothing on Xerxi at all. and look I think Joshua Zerkesy is actually a very good example of what's going wrong at Man United a player that for two years has played under three managers and none of them have fancied him a player that really should be gone by now should have took the hint and should be gone who is rolling back into Carrington smiling with his boots under there because he's popular having another chance. And I like Xerxes, and I think in Italy he's a decent player. But this is a problem, right?

40:05How many big clubs would give a player like that a third year? How many more chances are you going to give to a player that's a flop? Like, he's a flop, and he shouldn't be here. And if he was at Man City or Arsenal or Liverpool, he'd be gone. but at United we have this incredibly annoying attitude of retaining players that aren't good enough and then wondering why we're stuck in a cycle it's not Xerxes fault he's on a good wage and he likes it at United but someone at the club should have grown a pair and said you're not good enough you're for sale find yourself a move instead he comes back for pre-season and we give him another chance and there was a little bit of money we could have actually made there as well jay mason mounts the same yeah mason mounts the same um you know united keep briefing that he's not for sale he's not for sale because nobody's bloody steep enough to sign him let's be let's get real you know let's get real um right let me get into some of your comments here because we have quite a few um cameron lane says thanks for your super chat cameron any player is sellable as long as we don't tie them to contracts they are not worth we are a football club and shouldn't be farming players for resale.

41:17Man United is meant to be the pinnacle of a player's career, says Alexander. Ray Carl Brown and Maury, hope you're doing well at your ledge. Another thing that worried me as well with the story is why we're on such a tight budget when we just made Champions League. I thought getting Champions League would make us better so we can attract players. You know what, Ray? I'd hazard a guess here, and I think it's a very strong calculated guess. If United had missed out on Champions League football, I think we'd have spent more money by now. It's a recurring theme that when we qualify for the Champions League, it's almost like the club go, we'll have that profit, we'll use that.

41:58Instead of going, we'll use that to get better. But if we weren't in the Champions League, I think they'd be shitting themselves and they'd be spending money to try and get in it again. We've never shown any ambition when we're in the Champions League, which is why we very rarely stay in it more than one year. We're a feeder club then, says Ghost Zero. Ghost Zero also says, I'm sorry after all this happened in the window. I can't see United having a good enough window. We need Glyn Lios has already failed the fans this season. How many players do you think we actually sign now, says Ben? I mean, I'm absolutely convinced we'll still sign at least another four.

42:36Two midfielders and two others. But But quantity and quality shouldn't be exclusive. You need quality quantity. It's almost like we're peddling this, what do you want, quality or quantity? I want both. Like every other decent club, I want quality and quantity. They're not mutually exclusive. So I think we will sign four players. the quality of those players at the moment may not be up to scratch. Chris Jackson says, I met a midfielder on Monday. I took him for a drink on Tuesday. We're outbid by Wednesday and on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. New stadium on Sunday, says Chris Jackson. I love that.

43:21Bit of Craig David. Dan says, question is, who will call the board out to their face in interviews? If no one asks and probes with the right questions, there is no comeback on them, says Dan. Yeah, but Dan, I've been in that situation, right? This is how it goes. you've got an interview with Jason Wilcox on Monday, right? Great. I'll be at Carrington at eight o 'clock. Brilliant. Can you send us the questions before? Well, I can do, but I actually like to ask a question and then probe. Yeah, you can't do that. Also, you know, the 10 questions that you've asked, we've got rid of six of them and replaced them with questions we'd like you to ask.

43:56Oh, come on. Well, it's either that or we'll give it to someone else. And that's how it works. so you're never going to get to probe a Wilcox or a Barada or a Sir Jim Radcliffe because they're not going to put themselves in that situation now other clubs their CEO will walk into a press conference and answer questions other clubs their director of football will walk into an interview unprompted and answer questions but not at United because there's too much money at stake to get rumbled um if you go off script mate it's not live so it would just get removed yeah which is why they pre-record it so they can watch it back and edit and stuff like that nobody talk about this but the glazers debt plus any on your state stadium debt are going to destroy us as raz um harrison says how have we only got 130 million when we got 100 for the champions league well we have got a lot of debt and we also owe hundreds of millions of pounds on previous transfers as well.

44:58Gokin says, I have never seen such stupidity from a club like Ineos. This is sad and embarrassing. No wonder they failed at Nice. We need to fight this incompetence. Look, I genuinely think it's always important to mention the last 20 years under the Glazers because it's not been very good and what INEOS have done to Nice. You know? Like, I know there's people out there that keep talking about trusting the process, but if there's a classified idiot that everybody knows is an idiot and they come and get a job at your place and they behave like an idiot, would you go into a meeting and say, let's give another two years and trust the process?

45:36Or do you think that they're an idiot, you know? I think that's You know Very interesting What do you think about the Athletics Saying that Man United are ready If Real Madrid want to sell Cermini

45:56Well I think Man United were ready To buy Mateus Fernandes If West Ham wanted to sell him But we were ready on our terms I think Man United were ready to sell To buy Elliot Anderson if Forrest were ready to sell him. But on our terms, I think there's a very big difference between saying United are ready to sign Chumini if Real Madrid wanted to sell and actually signing him. I mean, Man United were ready to sign Mateus Fernandes if West Ham were ready to sell, but we wouldn't meet the terms. So it's propaganda, isn't it? You know, Man United are ready to sign Erling Haaland if he says he wants to leave Man City, but we won't pay the wages and we won't pay the fee.

46:35So I think that's always going to be the problem Yeah

46:52What Sorry let me just catch up on these There's a couple of other bits I want to talk about as well Look I think some people are starting to wake up Fans Journalists It's, you know, ultimately, if you're a journalist, right, do you want to have a season like last season where you're twiddling your thumbs in the week trying to think of articles to write? Or do you want a season where you're travelling around Europe watching Man United play in the Champions League? Some journalists around Man United aren't even Man United fans, but you've still got job satisfaction. Like you will get to go to Barcelona.

47:30You will get to go to Salzburg. You will get to go to Norway. Would you rather be doing that midweek or sat there going, well, let's write an article about Rashford? You know, these journalists will start to realise that as well, that last season, which was a horrible season, could become a regular thing. So they'll get frustrated with the club in the sense that, well, it's embarrassing the way you're behaving as well. So I think it will start to change, but it's a slow process. Morning Mark, as a long life supporter, I'm disgusted about our window again. Just want to say it's my birthday. Keep up the good work.

48:05Can we get a hand? Happy birthday for Andrew McMaster then, please. Happy birthday, pal. Hope you're having a great day. Syndicate says 130 million. That could have gotten us Chumini for around 70 and still have a 40 and still left roughly 20 to 30 for another signing. Hard to understand the logic behind some of these decisions. And look, also just throwing something in that I think most of you already know. This got leaked years ago. At Man United, Joel Glazer has such a control over United that it almost got joked about that if you wanted to buy some more potatoes for the canteen, you had to email Joel Glazer.

48:48so although that's a joke it's just an indication of how much has to go through him and it slows everything down we aren't able to replace casemiro i think replacing bruno next summer without the champions league are not overspending bigger thing is we aren't selling anyone to says amit daso says if inios and the glazers can't afford the players sell the club it's that simple i'm not lowering my standards because they want to save well and i think that's a great point daso You know when you hear Andy Mitten say that the budget's low and United need to buy players that they can sell and United fans need to be patient.

49:26Well, hold on a minute. I think there's very few United fans that signed up for Ineos and the Glazers. I think most of us said, get out, Glazers, or take our chances with somebody else. so we don't have to put up with this we don't have to put up with well we've got to tighten our belts accordingly we don't have to put up with well we're not going to pay that we don't have to put up with well you know you need to be patient we don't have to put up with it don't ever be guilt tripped by the propaganda and pr and spin about you know you know united fans are being unfair if you wanted in the os and the glazers which some of you did then maybe you should be patient.

50:04Maybe you should put up with it. But the vast majority didn't want this. The vast majority didn't want this because they saw this happening. So no, I don't sit here going, it's fine. There's plenty of time left in the window. It's fine to walk away from good players. It's fine to overpay on shit players. It's fine that we're going to build a stadium. And, you know, I don't think it's fine. I didn't ask for this. I wanted, rightly or wrongly, and judge me on it, it's fine. I wanted the glazers out and a multi-billionaire in who was going to spend money on the club. That's what I wanted. I didn't want a bandage over a glazer mess and what we're seeing at the moment.

50:45I didn't want it. And I'm not going to be patient about it because I didn't want it. And life's short. And I don't want this. The transfer PR worries me even more about these owners' judgment. Carrick has done well and I want him to succeed, but this window exposes huge flaws in their decision processes, making me question Carrick's appointment even more, says Patrick. It's a great point, Patrick, because at the very core of what you're saying there is a very worrying message. Michael Carrick wasn't everybody's choice, but now that we've got him, we want him to do well. But he is a huge risk and he's such a big risk, it gets forgotten in a window where we're not playing games.

51:25But Carrick is a massive risk and he's inexperienced. And if he's going to have a chance, he needs better than everybody else. He needs better than Arteta. He needs better than Liverpool. He needs better than City. We're giving him worse than Spurs. If you've got a manager who's a big risk and you're giving him a worse window than Spurs, you're not giving him a chance. You're not. The way the club operates is really disrespectful to Bruno, says Marlowe. He's dedicated his career to United and his last chance at any success is wasted by the club's lack of ambition. I mean, I don't think for one minute that Bruno is going to go anywhere, by the way.

52:07I mean, I think Bruno should sit there. I mean, if I was Bruno Fernandes on holiday now, I'd be like, I'm 31. I think he's 31. Let me have a quick look. But anyway, he's 30 31 you know it's probably possibly it's 32 next month actually uh sorry in september so he's 31 years of age he's about to turn 32 he may have played his last world cup you know people talk about ronaldo but bruno may have played his last world cup um that was a wasted world cup for portugal they absolutely wasted a very good team he's then going to sit on a beach and go is next season going to be another wasted season for me now he probably should look at it and go have i got any better options but i don't think he does um but yeah bruno has been you know bruno is a victim of this ownership as well because we've never ever given him a team that befits his talent um syndicate says i just wish this club would understand that winning games and titles is the best marketing brand storytelling they can do chumini and players like that are entitled to their salary for a reason yeah you pay what you get for absolutely you pay you pay what you get for uh muaz says less experienced players will respect karik more and play a better as a team experienced players won't respect him and will end up being worse are you a glazer bot by any chance so what you're basically saying is if we buy cheap inexperienced players we'll be a better team because they'll respect Carrick more what a load of shit come on if you buy better players will be a better team that didn't work well Casemiro was experienced he was one of our best players last year Bruno's experienced he was one of our best players last year Maguire's experienced he was one of our best players next year in fact if you take those three players out of our team we wouldn't finish in the top three um Seth says United's PR department deserves a raise if we'd moved quick before all the Tonali Fernandez Anderson saga we would have been the one to inflate the price and we would have got the players in place um harrison says this amazon documentary is going to be a shit show and uh maybe we're keeping our signings back till the end of august so they can be in episode one um rajaf says as united fans almost all of us are ronaldo fans i know you are mark incredibly sad to see him leave but so thankful to see it happen very very good message thank you uh salon for a loss because we can't develop says keel and 100 with you mark says edgith don't buy from chelsea and hand them 50 million to buy our targets and i dread hearing the word dreaming now dreams never meant to come true um thank you very much for that and i'm sick as hell today mark i've been watching all your content thanks for helping me through says callum well i hope you get well to uh get well soon callum um res says i I think we appreciate, sorry, I think we approached top managers in the summer, but no one took the job because of the board.

55:02So they spinned that they always wanted Carrick. I mean, that's a great point as well. Whether we did go for Enrique or Iriola or Nagelsmann or Tuchel or Ancelotti or any other top manager, you look at the way the window's gone, why would you take the job? I mean, we've probably got the only manager that would put up with this. can you imagine Amarin even if he'd stayed for the season he wouldn't be here now would he you wouldn't put up with this summer transfer window if you were a decent coach it's been an absolute shit show and as cheap as Glynios is I'm surprised we haven't gone for the more affordable options like Berg both would actually be decent signings says Slazy

55:48and Jamie says when Radcliffe came in he said I want to put the Manchester back into United well he's taken the soul out of the biggest club in England thank you Jamie I just think look there's a very easy way to assess this transfer window at the moment right in the top tier of players that we should be getting to help us in the Champions League and help Michael Carrick you've got the likes of Anderson, Tonali, Chumini you've then got the second tier of midfielders which are the likes of Fernandes and Scott. And then you've got the bottom tier like Edison, which we did buy. Look at where we are now.

56:30We are considering deals for Santos, Sanderberg. We might go back in for Belaber. Whatever was up here, we're down here now. And you can justify it and you can make excuses as much as you like. But we started the summer off up here and we're now operating down here. Well, when that happens in life, that's a lowering of the standards. And we've literally done that. Visibly, we've done that. And I know United make so many bad calls that it almost drowns you that you forget how many bad calls we make because there's so many of them. But let's not forget, you know, we've lost two midfield targets to Tottenham.

57:15it's embarrassing where we are at the moment it really is uh chris says this reminds me of marino's third season i know and it but it's carrick's first that that's the thing that baffles me this is carrick's first summer transfer window technically he's a new manager um and this is his first summer transfer window it's got echoes of moise can anybody remember David Moyes' first one.

57:56It feels a little bit like that.

58:05It really does. Anyway, look, thank you so much, everybody for tuning in this morning. We are back at two o 'clock. A load of people getting involved as always. Great to be back on the 10 o 'clock show because I didn't do it yesterday. Although I was up till three this morning watching the USA go out to Belgium. I'm just trying to think about the day ahead.

58:26So Argentina, Egypt's at five o 'clock, isn't it? Which means Colombia, Switzerland's at nine. Oh, eight o 'clock. We'll be live at eight o 'clock then. We're back in the slot, 8 o 'clock. 8 o 'clock, we are back live tonight then. Well, I'm back live at 8 o 'clock. We have got a 2 o 'clock show for you as well. Spain, Portugal was yesterday, Randy. Don't worry, you missed it. It was crap. Portugal are out. Great show this morning. Lots to get our teeth into and think about during the day. If you're not watching live, leave your comments as well. I'll speak to you on in a bit. Take care.