461: Ederson The TRUTH! Kone WANTS United!

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0:38I feel it's going to pop off today because of this video. Get your comments in as always. Interestingly, we've got a live poll going at the moment in relation to this ongoing Edison drama. Would you rather sign Kone or Edison? 92 % of you would rather sign Kone over Edison. And I think ultimately, I think that might be a lot of what's driving United fans in saying United should, you know, pull out of this Edison deal. Primarily, I don't think a lot of people actually rate him that much. And obviously that adds a lot into it. Also, we're going to talk about what's happening with Kone. I got some good stuff about that.

1:15And what I believe is the tweet of the summer, and I didn't write it, it involves a fan on Twitter doing a tweet around assigning United should have made and absolutely maybe encapsulating how the United fan base feels about the lack of ambition in our board. We'll talk about that a little bit later in the show, but I think it's an absolute banger and I think it's worth waiting for. But let's get straight into this Edison story. We're going to drop a few truths this morning because I just feel that there is a lot. And you know what? It surprises me a little bit because throughout the season, we get all these people dropping info about injuries and everything like that.

1:55And they're not saying a bloody word about this Edison stuff. It's really, really quiet. And I think there's no smoke without fire. And there's something going to drop big around Edison very, very soon. I'm absolutely convinced about it. But let's delve into the truth of what's going on here, because I think we can piece the bits together very easily and tell you what is going on with Edison and then await the journalists and maybe even Man United themselves to actually drop the truth. And we can also probably reveal why they're not telling the truth because I think PR, the player, these things all probably are being taken into account.

2:33I got told last Sunday, so five days ago, I got told on Sunday that Edison has got a knee injury, and sorry, a knee issue. And that person knew about it the week before. So I got told that on Sunday from somebody I really do trust. So that's what I got told. We know that a medical took place somewhere last week because loads of people are saying it. I know you haven't confirmed it yet, but we know something happened last week, potentially in the United States, Brazil, somewhere. So we know something previously has happened. Also, I think that what we do know as well is that this meniscus injury that he had at the start of the season is something to do with the knee, right?

3:34So those are things that we all pretty much know, right? United have signed Santos ridiculously quickly. And yet Edison, he's having more tests this week. I don't think it takes a genius to figure out something's not right with Edison and Man United and these medicals. I don't think that's a huge leap of faith, right? Now, Matty Moreto this morning is saying that this deal will basically happen. He's saying that Edison is completing his medical tests in the next few hours with Man United's official communication on the transfer now on the way. So it sounds like this deal is going to happen, right?

4:22Now, I'm not saying it's falling through. I think we should walk away and I'll tell you why in a minute, but it sounds like the deal will happen now. But what we need to realise is, is that something has definitely gone wrong over the last week and a half, right? Now, whether the full truth will ever come out or not, there's definite strong information about previous tests, knee issues, and United wanting to run those tests again this week. That's out there, okay? Doesn't take a lot of digging. There's also definitive information that he has got a meniscus injury that he had at the start of the season.

5:03Now, Atalanta at the start of the season said he was out for four weeks because of inflammation of the meniscus, right? When you look up inflammation, that can be from a tear. When you look at a tear, you either have a full operation, which keeps you out for six months, or they do some trimming of some sort of thing where he can be out for four weeks, which is probably what he may have had. there is an ongoing risk there is an ongoing future risk with this injury right we mentioned Nabil Fakir going to Liverpool a few years ago and they pulled out of a deal because they weren't 100 % sure whether his knee was going to be okay in the future I think it actually ended up being fine but they still pulled out so United have clearly got a decision to make here I don't think the medical is going to show he's got an injury I think the medical shows there's an issue there that might be a problem in the future.

5:55I think that's what it comes down to. And I think it comes down to whether United go, we don't want to do the deal because there might be an issue in the future, or we do want to do the deal and we'll take the risk. And I think that's where we are now. I think that is the truth. And I can't imagine when it does come out, if it does come out, the truth will be any different to that. I think it will be United United are aware of this knee issue. It's flagged up in a medical. They've ran more tests again for second opinions, whatever. And they've made a decision based on that. And the decision is likely to be they're going to go ahead.

6:34Now, many people are going to go, why have they not put this out there? Why are they not being open and honest? Well, I think there's two reasons for that. One, the player. You've got to think about there's a human being involved. So if United had openly spoken over the last week about, look, there has been some concerns about a potential knee issue that he had and we want to get him back to Manchester just to have a look at it with our doctors. You can understand why they'd keep that quiet because the fan base would go into meltdown. The problem is in the modern world, you can't keep it quiet.

7:09And secondly, United aren't very good at transfers. So if this deal falls through, they've got to go through the hassle of signing another player. Whereas if they do this deal, they've got two of their midfielders sorted. And also the data probably says Edison for£40 million is actually a decent signing. So United probably really, really want to do the deal. So they probably don't want to pull out. So it's in their interest to keep it quiet. Obviously it's in the player's interest to keep it quiet. So I think that's why they've kept it quiet because I think they want to do the deal. The problem is football fans aren't stupid.

7:49People find information and pass it on and it gets out there anyway. So it's out there anyway. And if United sign him and then in the next two years he has a problem with his knee, we'll all remember this. So that's for me why United should be walking away. I think they should be walking away because ultimately I like Edison. I've always liked Edison. I've spoken about Edison on this channel for years, but he's not better than Kone. He's not better than what's out there. I think he's quite expensive at 27 with one year left on his contract and a potential knee issue for£40 million. And I don't think anyone's talking about that enough either.

8:28If he's got a potential knee issue, when I say potential knee issue, I'm saying that knee could be a problem in the next three years. I'm not giving you£40 million pounds for a 27 year old who's only played for atalanta who's not a brazilian international i am not giving you 40 million pounds with a player that's got one year left on his contract and has something wrong with his knee that could cause an issue for me in the future we're overpaying massively as well so i'd walk i'd walk i'd say no i'm not interested in this it's there's too many risks now you you lower the price down to 30 i'll do the deal um but i'm not paying you£40 million for a player that you can look at the reports yourself, they're saying there is, you know, he's fine to play at the moment, but there is a potential issue there in the future.

9:13So I think I would walk. I would also walk because I think there's better players. What do I think is going to happen? I think United are desperate to do this deal. I think they're desperate to do this deal for the reason I just said. It's a big load of hassle for United on the 10th of July to pull out of this deal and have to go and do another two deals, plus a left back plus a winger I think they'll be sat there going it's worth the risk whatever the risk is it's worth the risk because if we pull out of this deal now we probably have to pay more for a replacement which is a fair point you know if you pull out the Edison deal at 40 million pounds and you try and do Kone Roma maybe 160 you know who's who's going to be 40 million pounds now I think United will push ahead on it whereas I think Liverpool would have pulled out of it like they did.

10:02I think a big club would pull out of it. I think United will push ahead with it. I think they'll take the risk. And on their head, be it. Because if it goes wrong, we're all fully aware of it now. So I think that's the truth. I think that is the truth. There is clearly an issue with that knee in the sense that there could be a future problem. And United are clearly getting in a second opinion. And they've clearly got a decision to make. And I think the decision will be, we're going to sign him anyway. And they'll cover it up and they'll say, look, we've ran loads of tests and we're really happy.

10:39And I think that's what will happen. And like I say, on their head, that's absolutely fine. Personally, I can't remember this happening ever. I don't remember this happening ever. And I also think, you know, if there's a risk, should Man United be taking them? And I don't think we're that sort of football club. As I said, if this is Tenali, or this is Anderson, or this is Alex Scott, maybe you take the risk. Maybe you take the risk because they're, you know, they're exciting. Edison is our third choice midfielder. I don't think you take a risk on a player of that ability, in my opinion. I want to get into some of your comments.

11:22Patrick says, window will go from bad to worse if one of the essential players we need is bought with a potential injury risk. It's almost like getting half a player. We know he could be out for an extended period, Patrick. I don't, I mean, I don't know enough about it, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of people in the chat. The injury he had was a month, and it was around this minuscule injury in his knee. From what I've read and what people have said to me, it's not that he's injured because he's just played in the World Cup. It's that he He might be carrying a bit of an injury or the injury he had runs a higher risk because he's 27.

11:56He's not 22. There's talk of like it can lead to arthritis and stuff like that. I think it's the risk of what could come. I don't think it's the risk of what he's got. I think that's the thing, Patrick, from what I've read. I think it's like, you know, if you sign Santos at 26 and his injury history, he's never had a problem with his knee. right? If you sign Edison at 27, he's literally had a problem with his knee a year ago and, you know, he could have another one in the next year or two. So I think that's what it's all about. I don't think he's injured. Ami says, three thoughts on Edison. Atletico walked away.

12:33Atlanta have sold us Hoyland who had a bad back and it took him ages. If he's had his meniscus trimmed, he should be fine, says Ami. If there's even a slight element of a risk we should pull out, says not prepared. This is not Van Nisrooy we're talking about. It's not worth the risk. And I think that's a really fair point. Van Nisaroy did his ACL. We waited a year. I mean, but he was a generational talent. You know, he was an amazing striker. We're talking about, you know, essentially a bench player who's 27 for 40 million quid. You know, I think there are better options, really. I'd say that seven out of the ten Ineos signings have made are quite good only Yoro Agathe and Xerxes if not works this does not make me glaze a bot says Nick I think it does I think it definitely does and Luke says no one's talking about it he's actually a risk without the injury oh is that a mic drop is that a mic drop from Luke he's saying forget the risk with the injury he's a risk anyway which you may be right let me talk to you about Kone so also as I say we've had some good information over the last few weeks Kone Man United would love to come to Manchester United like he is that player that Man United dream of in a transfer window because if United went to Roma and said we're interested in Kone they wouldn't have a problem with personal terms or him wanting to come to us he would come to Manchester United absolutely no problem at all so So as Ben Jacobs said yesterday, if the Edison deal falls through, Kone is a deal that United can go and look at.

14:10They've already held talks previously last summer. They've held talks with his agent over the last few months because it's the same agent as Chiumini. So they can reignite that deal very, very quickly. I think with Kone, there's a couple of things I'd say just to be balanced, right? There are people out there who are, you know, watching him in the World Cup and saying, go and get him. Now, I would never scout a player on a World Cup. I think it's very dangerous. However, there was a great point on That's Football Watch Along last night I was doing where somebody said, well, yeah, you can say you can't scout players in a World Cup because international football is slower.

14:49It's different. It's a short period of time. but what they were saying is but I think you can scout French players because look at the players that have been left out if you're in that French squad or you're being picked for that French team it's not the same as scouting a player that's doing well for Ivory Coast or Austria you know to be in a French squad you've got to be a bloody good player because look at the players that they miss out on and to be starting for a French team you've got to be a good player which I do take on board so if you are scouting Kone in a French team for the first time I sort of would let that one go I think there's mitigating circumstances.

15:25However, some of us know about Manu Kone anyway. Some of us know about Manu Kone from when he was in the Bundesliga. He's obviously now playing in Serie A. He's with Roma. He's a very good player. He's a very good player. I mean, somebody said to me last night, where would you put him though? Would he be the tier one shelf with the likes of Cermini? Would he be the tier two shelf with Alex Skart and Fernandes? Or would he be tier three with the likes of Santos and Edison? And I said, to be honest, he's probably touching tier two, Kone. I wouldn't say definitively tier two, but he's probably...

16:01I mean, you wouldn't have a midfield of Kone, Santos and Edison. Like that's too many tier three slash twos there. But I'd say he's a tier two signing. And I'd be very happy if we went and got him. I'd be very happy if we went and got him. I think he replaces Chumini in the French team. And many of us feel that Chumini is perfect for what Man United needs. And also, look, if you're bringing somebody in like Santos, who some people think is the second coming of bloody Kante, and some people think he's the second coming of Fred, having Kone takes that pressure off Santos being the second coming of Casemiro.

16:41Because, you know, what if he is the second coming of Fred? having Kone there, who's more experienced and actually does start football games regularly, I think Kone would be an intelligent signing to complement Santos. Whereas I think Edison, I don't get the Edison-Santos thing. Part of me thinks, did we know, well, we clearly did. Part of me thinks, did we rush the Santos deal so that if the Edison deal falls through, I mean, look, look at it like this. if the Edison deal fell through today and we hadn't signed Santos, can you imagine what I'd do, let alone you? Oh, great. Absolutely brilliant.

17:27Fantastic. You can't, you won't believe, I can't speak. Right. Listen to this. Listen to this. You've got Spurs buying bloody Tonali and Fernandes. You've got Bruno G to Arsenal. You've got Man City to Anderson, right? I can't even get my words out. What have we done all summer? We've signed bloody Edison. Edison, one player, never even played in the Premier League,£40 million for a 27-year-old. And guess what? We haven't even signed him. So here we are on July the 10th and we've signed nothing. Absolutely nothing. We're meant to be the busiest bloody team in the Premier League in this transfer window.

18:00We're about as busy as a corpse. That's just a glimpse. That's just a glimpse of what would have happened if Edison fell through and we hadn't signed Santos. There would have been a bloody meltdown. So I'm starting to think as well, conspiracy theory, did we rush the Santos deal in case we were pulling out the Edison deal? Because if we'd pulled out the Edison deal, we wouldn't have got that Santos deal done very quickly because Chelsea would have gone 55, you know. So did we do the Santos deal really quickly in case we're pulling out the Edison deal so we can at least say, well, we have got a midfielder in.

18:37So look, I think Edison's going to sign. I think it's a huge, huge risk. I think if we get Edison, we won't get Kone and that'll be it. But if Edison deal doesn't happen, we could go and get Kone. And I think that's where we are. And I think most of us are now looking at it. Emotion out, emotion out. I think this show has been really good so far because I'm not seeing silly reactions. I think sometimes I love these types of shows because it's analytical, it's fair. And ultimately, I think the issue that is clearly there with Edison is a risk. The player himself is a risk. I think he was a better player to sign three years ago, to be honest with you.

19:19I think at 27, I think there's a risk there now. There's a lot of risk with Edison. And also, I think he's overpriced now. I think£40 million for a year left on his contract with a potential knee issue. That's overpriced. So there's three risks there. I think you walk when there's a better option in the shop. I think you walk and you sign Kone. And that's what I think United should do. And if we sign Edison, I hope he does really well. But I think Kone and Santos are a better starting point for next season than Edison and Santos. Because Santos, to me, is a huge risk. He could be the next Casemiro.

19:58He could be the next Fred, right? So if he is the next Fred, we've got Edison. Well, he could be the next Cleverson. Whereas if he is the next Fred, we've got Kone, who could be the next Herrera, you know, or the next Carrick. Kone could be amazing. and I think if Santos struggles, Kone is a better auction than Edison, who is also a risk. I like the balance of Kone and Santos and whoever else we're going to buy more than I like the balance of Santos and Edison. And I don't know if you don't agree with me or you do agree with me, that's fine, but that's where I'm at this morning. I'm sort of like, forget the medical, forget the issues there.

20:41I think Kone and Santos is a much better balance than Edison and Santos. I just have a better feeling about Santos and Kone Than I do about Ederson and Santos And that better feeling is literally I can see us getting Champions League football You know? And that's all I'm bothered about That is all I'm bothered about It's can United have a season Where they get back into the Champions League Anything more than that And it's it's a problem. The bloody hell's just happened in the chat. Just been botted. Big time. The fuck's that? Do not, do not use that code, anybody. Do not use it. It's got nothing to do with us.

21:36Don't, don't, don't do it. Seriously. You are going to lose your bank details and everything. Don't do it. I've not, I've not seen that before. Let me sort that out. That's what you call a bot attack.

21:54Let's sort that out. Apologies for that. Apologies for that.

22:03Ineos sent bots. Yeah, just don't, don't, just whatever. Do not use that code. You'll be, you'll be paying for it for a long time. anyway let's move on oh I'm going to bring this in now I'm going to bring this in now now I think this has got nothing massively to do at the moment oh someone said can you read the Joe Cole comment on Andre Santos he said I'm not surprised there are a few clubs in for him well there wasn't there was Man United and potentially Newcastle so straight away talking at his arse he's a very good player with massive promise granted he's not a tonali at the moment but he could improve into it he'll definitely get more game time at United with Casemiro out it's funny I don't think Beth will mind me telling you this she was in our chat group this morning saying that you know Anderson needed more game time when he was at Newcastle and he had Tonali and Bruno Gamerez ahead of him so he had to go to Forest to get more game time and I think that's what Joe Cole was saying as well fair point fair point However Remember That

23:21Calvin says no ball knowledge Writing off Santos Calvin right okay We can carry on a really intelligent And open conversation show Or we can go into the depths of your stupidity Right

23:35My god we're getting How the hell are we getting this this morning

23:44I really apologise for this I mean some of this stuff shouldn't even be allowed on YouTube

24:03It's We've already blocked a lot of these words Sorry, this has not happened before. Just bear with me for a moment because I want to read you this tweet out as well.

24:23Let me go.

24:29So, yeah, just going back to that comment there from Joe Cole and what Beth had said about Santos and how Edison had to leave Newcastle to get game time at Forest.

24:41Remember, none of you were talking about Santos a week ago. So all the Santos rimmers who were going, Santos is this, Santos is that, look at Santos stats, look at this, look at that. Where were you a week ago? Where were you a week ago? You know, you weren't here. So I think that first and foremost, I would say that We've got moderators Thank you We've already got moderators And it will stop now Don't worry about that

25:23It's probably coxy I'll put it on to members only in a minute just for the rest of the show because then it will just... Look, I'm going to do that. Just because, you know, we're halfway through the show anyway and we can carry on then. At the end of the day, no one was talking about Santos a week ago. So excuse me for not listening to you when you tell me, oh, he's the next Casemiro or this, that and the other. We weren't talking about him. So what's happened is United have bought a player that you were not talking about and yet now you trust United and that's fine. So anyone who's pulling out the stats about Santos or Santos is a good player and all the other content creators are doing it, where's your video on Santos two weeks ago, three weeks ago, telling us that this is the secret signing Man United should make?

26:17Oh, Santos is this. You didn't do them. Basically, United signed Santos and now you're going, oh, he's amazing, he's amazing. So you trust the Glazers. You trust Ineos. Well done. Let's hope it works out. But my big issue with Santos is this. Let's take the example that he's going to get more game time and he's going to be a good player, yeah? Let's take the example of Beth where, you know, Anderson has ended up being a really good player because he left to go to Forest to get game time, yeah? Anderson has taken two years to become the player he is having left Newcastle. do we have two years to develop Santos into the next Anderson or the next Casemiro and also Nottingham Forest is a very different club to Manchester United do you think Santos is going to develop over the next two years in a Man United shirt be given the time and the patience to do so or do you think he's got to hit the ground running straight away and be good otherwise everything's going to go wrong and I think that's the question for me there's no doubt that Santos might be a good player, but all this, oh, potential, potential, potential.

27:26When have we ever developed a player? When have we ever developed a player with potential in the team? I mean, people are talking about him as the Kazimiro. Ben Jacobs said yesterday he's the Kazimiro replacement. So hello, lad, from the bench, he's 22 from Chelsea. You are now starting from Ang United next to another prospect and you're the Kazimiro replacement. And that's my concern. It's like no one was talking about this player a week ago and now we've now we've signed to the next Casemiro and if he's gonna be that he needs time he needs patience he needs development I'm not sure that that that we're the right football club for that and maybe maybe look Michael Carrick's a new manager maybe that will happen but I just think almost the Santos army of positivity I think you might be doing in more trouble because you're arguing about what a great signing he is you're almost putting the pressure on him.

28:20I would take my stance. I hope he does really well. I think he's a big risk. I hope he does really well. But we've got to remember that this is a huge, huge task in front of him. And there will need to be patience and there will be bad performances. And if he is going to be the next Casemiro, we'd better be patient over the next year or two. Whereas some of you are so adamant it's a brilliant signing, he's almost got to be dropping eight out of tens every game. And I don't think that's realistic. And that's where I always look at things because you end up at United constantly with this extremity of opinion.

28:53He's a right bag of shit. We never should have signed him. He's the next Casemiro. And I'm sort of like, look, it's not who I would have signed. I think it's desperate. I think it's overpriced, but it's not his fault. Let's look at the positives. He's good on the ball. He's young. He could grow into something. But to the positive people, you're basically setting him up to fail because you're talking about him being the next Casemiro, which he won't be straight away. and to the negative people, you're setting him up to fail, saying he's a bag of shit and any bad game he has, you're going to jump on him.

29:22Personally, he's a Man United player. We need to change what we've been for the last 10 years, but we need to do that anyway. We need to be patient. We need to give him a chance. Look at Dorgu. People wrote Dorgu off straight away. 18 months later, he's actually starting to show some progress. So, you know, Santos might not show genuine progress for 18 months. That would be quite normal for a player of his age. So, look, hopefully he does. hit the ground running and he is the next Casimiro straight away. Maybe he does hit the ground shit and he's the next Fred straight away. But in 18 months, it might be a very different story.

29:55I just think we're going to have to be patient and stop trying to pretend that this is our dream signing like some people are, because I haven't heard anybody talk about Santos before until two or three days ago. Right. What I do want to do is talk about this. To me, this is one of the best things I've read all summer. I think it's absolutely brilliant. So I don't know whether I follow this account or not, but it's called at Crypto Baran. So Fabrizio Romano put a tweet out saying Bruno Gimera's deal driven by Arteta, who's pushing to bring him into Arsenal. Deal depends on Newcastle stance, but Arsenal will bid again and personal terms are not an issue, right?

30:39So Bruno Gimera is the player I would like to sign. You know, you can forget your Edisons, you can forget your Kone's, you can forget your Alex Scott, you can forget your Santos. Bruno Gomérez was available for£60 million. Casemiro said, that's my replacement. And United said, too old, right? Too old. Not too old for Arsenal, who've just won the league and got to a Champions League final, but too old for Manchester United. So this Cryptoveran says, so he's good enough for the Champions League finalists and Premier League champions, but he's too old for Ineos and the club that hasn't won a league in 13 years.

31:14Fucking useless, C-U-N-T-S. Manchester United have owners that are prioritising saving money and lowering the wage bill rather than being ambitious and trying to win silverware. And the reason I think it's such an amazing tweet is because the first bit, I was sort of like, yeah, if he's good enough for Arsenal, who've just won the league, why is he not good enough for us when we haven't won it for 13 years? The first paragraph is quite measured. The second one, it just goes straight for the throw. you fucking useless you know what um we've got owners who are prioritizing saving money and lowering the wage bill rather than being ambitious and trying to win the sale to silver and look it might be a little bit um it might be a little bit um um so that you know to the point uh for some but as as jammy says it you know sometimes a little bit of uh colorful language in the sense of fucking useless CUNTSs, makes the point stronger.

32:10Because he's not wrong, is he? Whoever it is, they're not wrong. And I don't need that cup of coffee to wake up to the fact that, look, hopefully Santos will work out, but he's a prospect. Hopefully Edison will work out, but he's a huge risk. We're taking risks on prospects and whatever Edison is. And the champions of England are signing a player that we should have gone for, Bruno Guamirez. We should have gone for him. Man City assigning a player that we should have gone for, Anderson. Tottenham assigning two players that we should have gone for. So look, let's hope Santos and Edison do work out, but come on, let's not pretend that we're not just trying to polish a turd.

32:51These are not the players that we really would have gone with. Look, if you're a United fan who in the middle of May, when we were talking about our realistic summer transfer window to fight for the top three next season, So if you'd have said, well, I'm trying to think about my third one, but definitely Santos and Edison, fair play. You've got what you wanted. But the vast majority of us were building midfields out of Chumini, Anderson, Tonali, Bruno Gimera, Alex Scott, Wharton. We weren't building a midfield out of what we're doing it. So I think it's a very, very fair point, but it does make a mockery of what we've done this summer transfer window, because again, it is about how, you know, how do we save money?

33:35Every deal we've done is about saving money. I haven't actually mentioned this, but of course, Santos will be on very, very cheap wages. I don't think anyone's even spoken about that in the last 48 hours since we did the deal. I think£50 million is a lot of money, but the transfer fee isn't actually a massive problem for a business because that transfer fee may involve some of the ganacho money. So if Chelsea owes£20 million for ganacho, we might say, we'll take that£20 million off, we'll pay you£30 million over five years, which works out at£6 million a year. so we might be paying six million a year for Santos it's nothing even though it's a 50 million pound transfer it might be six million a year if we've took 20 million of Ganacho's money off and we're paying it off over five years which Chelsea would love to do because then they haven't got to pay 20 million for Ganacho so the transfer fee is never really the problem you know you look at Edison at 40 million we're probably paying that off over four years 10 million a year it's nothing it's the wages United don't like because if you're on 250 grand a week that's a million pounds a month you can't defer that you have to pay the wages it goes out each month so Santos and Edison are probably on 100 grand a week very little over that so they're ridiculously cheap players and that's where that tweet is spot on don't get swayed by transfer fees they're irrelevant really it's the wages that's where united have pulled out of deals that's where united have gone for deals tenali wanted 250 grand a week mateos fernandez um has probably got 200 grand a week elliot anderson 250 grand a week bruno gamerez will be 250 grand a week i think they're all worth it by the way but you know i don't want to pay that united have a wage ceiling of 200 grand a week so not only are we buying prospects and risks we're also doing we're also buying players that are cheap um so apparently edison's 75 000 pounds a week so we we're going we are going cheap deliberately we're going cheap and then we're trying to pretend that we're signing the next casimiro or we're signing the next this that and the other when really we're just buying we're looking at players and how much their wages are so people are right to call it out obviously you'll get a load of shit for calling it out because people are saying i'll stop being so negative but ultimately you don't need a cup of coffee to wake up and realize that united are just signing players who are cheap um and fundamentally that will cause us problems in the future i thought there was a brilliant comment the other night where somebody said, what these cheerleaders for these deals don't realise is it's going to cause us a massive problem in the future because we're going to end up being RB Leipzig, selling half talent.

36:38Because what will happen is, if Maynou becomes one of the best midfielders in the world or Santos becomes one of the best midfielders in the world, in two or three years, they'll knock on the door and they'll say, Arsenal will give me 300 grand a week. Real Madrid will give me 350 grand a week. If you want me to stay, I want 300 grand a week. And United will go, we're not paying any more than 200 grand a week. And then they'll leave. And United will go, put the story out that they forced to move. We're going to make profit. That's coming in the future. I don't know whether anyone's realized that.

37:15That's coming in the future. The problem with the wage limit is we won't break it for contract renewals either. so these players will be putting transfer requests in if they become good so in the case of Santos he's 22 let's imagine he becomes the next Casemiro at 25 he's looking around and he's going I want 300 grand a week United go well that's our wage limit we can't break that and then suddenly Real Madrid come in and go we'll give you 120 million pounds for him United go that's 70 million pounds pure profit. So this wage limit thing, everybody should be talking about it because it's not just about signing players.

37:53It's about renewing contracts. We will not hand out big wages. So we will have a problem in the future and people can't see it. And it's like climate change. Let's not go there. But you know, when there's a problem and people deny it and deny it, even though it's clearly going to happen or they avoid it, I'll deal with it in the future. This wage limit thing is going to be a problem for us in the future because you know the club, right? They want Rashford gone because he's on 300 and something grand a week. They also know that Bruno will be gone in the next two or three years. That's another one gone.

38:27When Bruno's gone and Rashford's gone, our highest earner is Mason Mount. And when he's gone, you're down to 200 grand. that's the long-term plan for United we've got no intention of pushing our wage bill up again and that will hurt us on contract renewals as well as recruitment uh what do you think about Locatelli oh my god I mean Gores we're talking about Edison potentially having a knee issue and you want to go for Locatelli who I don't even need to read transfer market injury history to tell you he's had problems big problems injury um no you can't go near locatelli gozilla um he said he's a he's in great form um and he's as good as rodley rodry and chumini but what do you think no he's he's too i'd say locatelli's too old as well um you've got me you've got me curious now fair play uh locatelli's 28 so they wouldn't go anywhere near him bro's too old um and how hot are you today mark well i think i'm looking good no it's uh 26.4 degrees at the moment i have what i've got one of these so i literally have my uh temperature last night when i was doing the game the uh morocco game it was 29.4 in here so uh i think it's going to be another hot one today.

39:58Oh, 7 o 'clock show tonight because it's Belgium... What a shit game that was last night. I mean, World Cup watch. That was absolutely shit, wasn't it? Masraoui as well. Played him at centre-back, which shows his... I think Masraoui should be starting for Man United, by the way. I really do, but... Yeah, Locatelli. Oh, to be honest, I'm mixing Locatelli up with Spinozola. His injury record's not that bad at all. And one of his injuries is coronavirus. And if you're talking about conspiracies, some people think that doesn't exist. No, Locatelli's had nothing. I think I have mixed him up with Spinozola.

40:43So it's not his injury record, Matt Godzilla. It's his age. Yeah, he's 28 and he'll be 29 next season. So forget about it. Forget about it. We won't be doing that. Also, if we're not going to go for Bruno Gomez, who's the same age, better and played in the same league, we'd never go for somebody like that, to be honest with you. Never in a million years. It's becoming clearer to me that Ratcliffe only bought into United to invest in the stadium project and reap the profits. No desire for cooks or titles. Sound dog, everything Sir Jim Ratcliffe has done is motivated by money. The reduction of the wage bill Brings more money into the club The sacking of half the workforce Brings more money into the club The increase of ticket prices When we weren't even in Europe Brings more money into the club The stadium regeneration Brings more money into the club It's basically Everything's business He's put 1.8 billion of his own money in And he's probably got At least 50 % of that back already in increased value in the club.

41:58And that's the game. All he's doing as a businessman is making that 1.8 billion become 3.6 billion in value. And it amazes me how some United fans still fall for the hole. He supports the club, this, that and the other. It's completely about money. Everything he's done is about money. Champers says, I tore my meniscus in my knee and now I've transferred hip issues. We showed our hand by signing Chumini was our dream when we were nowhere near close to getting him. It's embarrassing. Why should any tier one player believe anything we see? Well, I still think it's a big, big issue

42:44around who the marquee signing is going to be. Because if Edison signs, and I think he will, and I think we shouldn't sign him now, knowing what we know, But when Edison signs, we still need that third midfielder, the marquee signing. And I don't know who that's going to be. I can't tell you who it's going to be. But what I would say is that...

43:08What I would say is, you're right. Edison, sorry, got so many players. Anderson, we told the world he was our priority signing for nine months and got nowhere near him. Chumini we told the world for three months he was our dream signing and we got nowhere near him and look you can be happy about Santos that's fine you can be happy about Edison that's fine but the club itself has failed and some people don't like this but let me tell you right publicly we have failed this summer transfer window you can't polish that turd you can't you can't paper that crack you can be happy with the players that are brought in but own it These are options D, E and F.

43:50Factually, the club has failed in its objectives this summer transfer window. It might get out of a situation where you're happy with it, but it's failed. Anderson was the priority. He's at Man City. Chouamini was the dream. He's staying at Real Madrid. Mateus Fernandes was a priority. He's wearing a Spurs shirt. That's three factual signings that United wanted to make that they haven't done. Now maybe Tonali was ahead of other people as well I would say he probably was So we have factually failed That's not up for debate That's not negativity You can twist and turn And you can pretend And you can glaze the club all you like The fact is through their own doing Nine months of Anderson propaganda Three months of Ciumini propaganda And six weeks of Fernandes propaganda They didn't get any of them So ABC None of them doesn't mean we can't still have a good transfer window but in the ambition stakes and we're a competent football club stakes they have failed they have failed it just depends how much of a failure you think it is all we've heard about this summer is midfielders realistically when we're going to get a left back says light walk gaming i've got no idea about the left back mate i really don't believe the lewis hall story

45:12I think Lewis Hall Sort of falls into the category of Everything we wouldn't do In relation to how much Newcastle would want With Santos and Maynou We need legs to press Belay versus Mark What do you think? I've done Locatelli Gameres wouldn't force his way Out of Newcastle to United Says Ed W Well you don't know that It's okay We've got a new goalkeeper Says Ross if he works it's a big win for Favell says Robert McCormack uh yes yeah you're right but you know what Robert I might shock you here but I'm a little bit tired of this Wilcox does it all the time and he gets proven to be wrong remember last summer where Wilcox was trying to put it out there that it was he got uh Embermo and then Embermo comes out and says it was Amrim who persuaded him and Cunyad is the same and then it comes out about Le Mans that it's Tony Coton and then it comes out about Sesko that it's Favell.

46:05I don't actually think it's massively fair that we keep classing signings as signings, because even if Favell walks into the boardroom and says, I know we've messed up on Fernandes, Anderson and Chumini, let's get Santos. If Carrick says no and Wilcox says no and Berada says no, that never happens. So how is it Favell signing? And the same with Liam De Lappe. If Wilcox walks in and says, we're getting Liam De Lappe and everyone says, you're an idiot, we're not doing it we don't get the lap so there you know i think as much as i think there is incompetence on that board and there is specialism on that board i do think you have to look at it as a collective um definitely board and manager have got zero charisma says marlo they couldn't convince a horny teenager to enter a strip club that combined with zero self-awareness is dangerous uh kone santos on belaba kiss my face says keel uh so you're saying you don't want edison mark Like, get to the point, mate, get to the point.

47:04What I know, what people have told me, who I trust, and what is clearly going on, I think United are taking huge risks on Edison. He's a huge risk as a player. We are overpaying. And there's clearly concern about future problems with his injuries, right? You walk. you walk you walk one of my favorite films is heat i mentioned this last night heat with with de niro pacino val kilmer etc right there's a brilliant line that they're basically high-end robbers right and de niro says my principle is and it takes a lot of discipline never attach yourself to anything in your life that you can't walk away from in 10 seconds if you feel the heat coming around the corner.

47:59And that's basically like, if he's got a girlfriend or whatever like that and he's doing a robbery and he sees the police coming around the corner, he has to have the discipline to get in that car, go, leave the country, get away and never come back. That's discipline. Now that's a film, obviously, but this is a... I mean, we're not asking United to do that, right? And we might need to rob a bank so we can buy some players. But on a serious note, What we're asking United to do is you're buying a 27-year-old who's never played in the Premier League, who only has a year left on his contract. You're given£40 million, which is a risk anyway.

48:38And then there's clearly something popping up in the medicals that maybe you might want to have a look at. And then there's a better player available for around the same price. I mean, come on. It's not that difficult. You walk. don't take just don't take there's too many risks there's too many red flags you walk yeah you know you know you know if there's a river no there's a lake right and it's going to take you 20 minutes to walk around it or it's going to take you five minutes to swim across it right and there's a there's a sign that says beware of piranha i'm walking 20 minutes i'm sorry i know it's going to take longer, but I'm going to keep my legs.

49:21I'm not going to take the risk. But I think United are looking at this and going, if we pull out of this deal, we've got to go and do another deal. And we already need another midfielder. And it's the 10th of July. And we're not very good at our job anyway. And we're just going to make a load more job. Whereas if we sign him, we've got two midfielders and we've only got to buy one. And I think that temptation is going to ultimately win over. They're going to take the risk because it's less work. Two years at Newcastle is not the same is United, says Abdul. Manu Kone has a very questionable injury pass, says Daza.

49:51Jason Wilcox official says, do you think I'm doing a bad job? Make fun of me by calling me Coxie and now you're blaming me for the bot attack. I'm suing you. See you in court, says Jason Wilcox official. Alright, Coxie. Chris Davies, welcome to the Members Club. Thank you, Members. Exciting stuff is coming, I'm telling you. Which tier would you currently place Manu? Well, Ross, I wouldn't put Manu in any tier because he's already here and he's a really important midfield for us um mainu could end up being the next um

50:25sort of paul skulls type midfield for us um he could end up being the next

50:36scott mctominy type midfield for us and you know what i mean by that i i think mainly he's got the potential to be really really good some people think he's overrated but he's our player and we're definitely going to you know build around him and try and get the best out of him so um buying a player with potential problems who may not play many minutes is worse than overpaying for tonali just wasting time right right now says uh john i think this is a great point by john as well what the hell are we doing you're overpaying for a 27 year old he's never played in the premier League, who's potentially got issues in his medical, you know, we're doing that instead of spending a little bit more for a Mateus Fernandes or a Tonali or a Bruno Gomérez.

51:17It is, again, it's underwhelming signings with risk compared to spending a little bit more. This is what you get when you pay more money, though. If you sign Tonali, you get less of a risk and no issues in the medical. You know, if you sign Mateus Fernandes, you get less of a risk and no issues in the medical. When you start going cheaper, there's more risk. It's as simple as that. Yeah, the wages are cheaper, but there's a reason for that. They can't demand the big way. But look, on this medical problem with Edison, I can't think of a deal. I can't think of a deal. If anyone can, when was the last time we had such drama around a medical?

51:59For me, it's always like, here we go. Pending medical. And the medical gets done. Look at Santos. Bang. Have you ever met Emily Derry in real life? Says Rays. It's really me. It's me. Just, you know, glazing myself. Really? No, no, I haven't. Edison Santos Belaber, says George. Wouldn't be happy with that. What if they're doing this to renegotiate Santos? Says Leshin. What would the angle on that be? Gorzilla says, Mark, what do you think about Locatelli? I've done that one. Is the guitar memorabilia or can you play it? Says Matt. I can play it, mate. I can play it. You want to tune into that's football.

52:37I know it's not Ineos model, but Bruno would fit this team instantly. Why aren't we even linked to him? Says Ami. Look, I've always said Bruno Guimerez was my sort of nuanced Casemiro replacement because he's a leader. He's a fan favourite. he's a brilliant player you put Bruno Gamera's in that midfield next to Manu I'm excited so well done to Arsenal they're going to finish above us absolutely definitely next season I think we all know that but that's a really intelligent signing Arsenal have gone from Premier League champions to another level with that signing absolutely brilliant brilliant signing and whilst Arsenal are doing that we're taking risks we're taking risks on Edison were taking risks on Santos.

53:25They might pay off, but you don't see Arsenal doing that. How's your coffee? Get in my cup right now, says George. Who do you think will flop first, if you had to guess, Santos or Edison? I mean, I hope neither of them flop, but I would say Edison's got the more pressure now because I think there's more excitement around Santos than there is Edison. And that might be an age thing. It might be an ability thing. But I think Edison, yeah, I just think it's really harsh on him. I understand that. It really is harsh on him. He's a victim in many ways. But I think he's going to be under a lot of pressure.

54:16Yeah, yeah. What do you think is going to happen with Rashford, Mark? I think it's a mess. I think it's a mess I think ideally everybody would have wanted him to go to Barcelona I think Barcelona have you know done what's in their interests

54:40I think Rashford would like to be going somewhere I think Man United would love him to be going somewhere and I'm trying to think of an analogy here

54:53You know Not a lot of people will have been in this situation Imagine you're in a relationship And you bought a house together And you're not getting on You did used to really like each other And there is a respect there But you're not getting on And you move out Into rented accommodation And whilst you're out on rented accommodation You start seeing other people you know, going out with your mates, you're having a good time, they're doing the same. And, you know, you're amicable. You start to, you know, get on okay because you're living your life and they're living theirs, yeah? And then one day the landlord comes along and says, I'm increasing the rent to a point where you can't afford it.

55:38So you can't find anywhere else, so you have to go back and live with them. It's not, it's awkward, isn't it? But then you've got to put the pretense on that you get on, you know, and maybe you do get back together. Maybe you start sharing the room together, you know, maybe all that sort of stuff. But how often does that actually work? I think the breakup was right for Rashford and United's board and I think it was for the right reasons. I think if they get back together, I'm never a big fan on getting back going back I'm just not I think the problems that cause the separation are still there and you're very lucky if you can get back together and everything's happy again so that's my thoughts on it

56:27but Rashford's better than nothing on the left wing there's no doubt about that and he can play up front so you know I can And ultimately, we're not a football club. We're a business, aren't we? So we should always take the football out of it and look at the business. You know, the two players we've brought in, very cheap wages. Lovely jubbly, right? You bring Rashford back, expensive wage, but can play left wing and striker. What do Man United need? Left winger and a striker. Oh, we can play left wing and striker. So we're basically getting two for one. I mean, it's still an expensive wage, but United might look at it like that.

57:03I mean, look, the Rashford thing, I still think there's a move somewhere for Rashford. I just don't know where it is. So we've got to seriously consider whether he's going to come back or not. But I think in fairness to the Rashford thing, let's see what happens. But I can't believe Xerxes is still a Man United player. I can't believe we've sold nobody. I can't believe after last season, nobody's gone. because it wasn't that season. It was Bruno, Casemiro, Maguire and Carrick's coaching team that found a way once a week to get us enough points to get in the top five. There was a load of chances last season in that squad and they're all coming back for pre-season.

57:49And I'm like, I can't believe, I mean, Elgarte, you can't do anything about it. He's injured. But that squad has issues and we're not getting rid of anybody. And it's the second year this has happened. You know the Europa League final? We sold nobody from that final. Ganaccio didn't start. That Europa League final was one of the worst performances I've seen in a Man United team ever. And I remember saying it last summer. We've got rid of none of those players. Those 11 players that turned up. Actually, I think Rasmus went, didn't he, on loan? But those predominantly that whole team that didn't turn up against Spurs in that final are here again.

58:26And the same things happened again. We didn't have an amazing team season last year. a few individuals took us to a level which was fantastic and we've removed nobody and again this is this is a footballing decision a football team would remove some of those players because they're not good enough a business says keep them removing them will lose money and then we've got to replace them keep them we make we make decisions that are financial and the reason some of the shit from last year, we'll be here next year, and some of the shit from two years ago is still here, is because financially, we don't want to rock the boat.

59:07So we've got players rolling back into Carrington with a smile on their face, but their chances, they've not done anything for two, three years, and they should be moved on. City would move them on. Arsenal would move them on. Liverpool would move them on. We don't move them on. So I don't know. I don't know why. One, I don't know why these players want to hang around when they're not part of the plans. And two, I don't know why we're not pushing them out the door. But again, for me, that's weak. I want to see a manager and a board that is strong. I want to see a manager and a board that befits Manchester United.

59:45I think it's just arms around the world You're all welcome And really, you think back to the Sir Alex days Look at the players he got rid of First team players Yapstam, I've had enough of you Van Nisrooy, I've had enough of you Beckham, I've had enough of you Keane, I've had enough of you We used to get rid of first team players Now we don't even get rid of bench players How have we not sold anybody this summer? It's a terrible indication again of a weak leadership. We're incompetent when it comes to, well, some people would say recruitment, but I'd certainly say in relation to removing players, it's just been completely ignored.

1:00:26And look, it's unfair to focus on Xerxes, but he's a prime example because he actually has a value. You know, I can't say Mason Mount because no one will buy him, but you know, no one's going to buy Luke Shaw, but Xerxes actually has a value. That's not a hard deal to do. Pull him into the office. You're not part of the plans, mate. You're a good player. Get your agent working. You're for sale. I'm not going to use you next season. That should have been done on June the 1st. Then throughout June, his agent's speaking to Italian clubs who want him saying, yeah, he's looking to move. By July the 1st, you've got two or three offers for 30 million quid.

1:01:01You've got your money back. He's gone. Why haven't we done that? Because replacing him will cost 50. Oh, let's just keep them then. That's what we're doing. Unambitious again. We're keeping Xerxes because it's cheaper than replacing him. And that's a business decision. That's not a football decision. Simple as that. Man United are acting like Spurs under Daniel Levy. Exactly, Elvis. Some really good comments today.

1:01:28Came out today, Real made 100 million from bench players, says Sound Dog. Dale says 100 million plus Rashford for Lewis Hall and Bruno Gamerez. Rashford won't go to Newcastle, mate. Rashid, Rashid. Rashford won't go to a Premier League club he won't and why should he you know why should he do that I think there's only one club he would seriously consider and even then I'm not sure he would do it and that would be Arsenal but I don't think any other club he'd get why would you go and play for Spurs or Newcastle who aren't in the Champions League and play in the same league as the club that you know you grew up with he won't do it and they won't be able to afford him anyway Brandon says Mark serious thought But maybe United got the Edison deal done knowing he had problems to make us look like we'd done something.

1:02:13Maybe the plan all along. Look, I think we'll sign him. I think it could be a here we go, you know, official today. But I think we should walk. And I know that's harsh. But, you know, in football, you have got to be ruthless. There's a better option on the shelf. I'd be a much happier person with Santos and Kone than Santos and Edison. So let's see what happens. Ami says over 10 ,000 votes and almost 90 % don't want Edison. A couple of bad games and the abuse will be relentless. plus he's a risk anyway coming from Serie A. I mean, that's a great point. I mean, I've never really thought of it like that.

1:02:45It is 88 % for Kone and 12 % for Edison. United need to be taking note of this. You know, you can't continue with a deal because it's a hassle to replace him. There's a huge, huge amount of risk now. And who's to blame? Not Edison, it's the club now. You know, you can't blame Edison. The club have a power. they can use that power and they might be pleasantly surprised by the patience they get pulling out of this deal and going somewhere else I don't think they will I think they'll stick with it but if they do we all know the reasons why so great show today Arsenal are a team trying to win the Champions League Man United are trying to win a PR campaign and they're failing Miserables says Pertoroc are you surprised we've got Darlow when Biender is still here says Kristen I mean there's still weeks left in the window, Bienda won't be here.

1:03:39Who to go for a third midfielder? It's a Salva and Midfield. It says Prien. Million dollar question, mate. I've got no idea. Looking back at last year where we dodged the bullet on De Lapp, who do you think we will sit in a year and be glad we missed out on from this window? It's a Slazy.

1:04:03I'd say Spurs might be the place to look. You know, they finished fourth from bottom the last two years. They've bought two players that we want, Tonali and Fernandes. If Spurs finish mid-table and they're a bit mediocre, I imagine one of those will be people going, ah, ah, ah. You know, they've got to have a good season, I suppose. Yeah. James says, Kone's had two or three hamstring injuries and two knee ligaments. I mean, I've not looked at his injury records. Let's do that very quickly before I go. I haven't got that far with him. He's a good player. He's only 25 and he's only just turned 25.

1:04:37He's two years younger than Edison. He's a better player than Edison. But I haven't got as far as looking at his injury record because with his signing Edison, I didn't think there was any prospect of his going for him. Injury history. Depends what type of knee injury it is as well, you know. A cruciate ligament injury you can come back from with no problem at all. I mean he has got He's got Hamstring In April Hamstring In February

1:05:16Yeah so he's had two hamstring problems This season

1:05:23I mean there's nothing He had a knee injury In June 2023 I mean that's three years ago And he's not had a knee problem since So Looks like he's had a few muscular problems In the last couple of years But I mean I mean look Run a medical I guarantee he'd probably pass it To be fair As I say This is really rare with Edison You never get a player failing the medical You never do What are your thoughts about Camavinga Given how things have played out And current United window Camavinga before he went to Real Madrid I'd have been all over it Camavinga now just feels like taking a player that wasn't good enough for Real Madrid which sometimes is okay but I just I don't there's something about the Camavinga thing that just doesn't appeal to me Godzilla to be honest anyway thank you everybody for tuning in make sure you smash the like and subscribe we're back at 2 and remember 7 o 'clock tonight because it's Spain against Belgium at 8 o 'clock on That's Football all.

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