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0:00Hey everybody, Lady Luck here, and we're celebrating America's 250th birthday. Now all summer long, I'm going to be celebrating by playing on SpinQuest.com, which is an American-owned social casino. It obviously features over a thousand slot games and live blackjack, live craps, live bubble craps. Head on over to SpinQuest.com. Get yourself a$30 coin pack for just$10. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details. hello everybody welcome to the United Stands I'm Mark Goldbridge this is your latest Manchester United transfer news hope you're all feeling well lots to get into as always Edison deal 100 % off big update from Romano little bit of back and forth last night but we did predict it was off and we'll get into that of course and where are Man United going to go next the Brazilian obsession continues Jao Gomez now the favorite for Man United to go for so we've gone from Edison to Santos to Jal Gomez.

0:59What is it about, you know, B-Tech, Casemiros that the United feel are the replacement for Casemiro? I mean, there is a world outside Brazil. You know, there's plenty of other midfielders we could be going for. And look, I think the Santos deal becomes better if we don't sign Edison or Jal Gomez. I think the Edison, I think the Santos deal becomes better if you go on by Kone and Scott, or if you go on by Anmicha and Scott. I think if you were, The problem for me was Santos and Edison were two similar profiles. Well, I think Jao Gomez becomes immediately that. So I think if we sign Jao Gomez, it becomes...

1:34I actually think that Jao Gomez, Edison, there's not a lot of difference. So all these people celebrating the Edison deal being off, I think it's because they didn't want Edison and they didn't like the profile of that with Santos. But if we go and get Jao Gomez, it's literally we may as well have signed Edison, in my opinion. He's just a little bit younger and you can argue about who's better. Kone remains on the menu. We'll delve into that as well. And a few other bits this morning. But BJ Obson says Edison's still going to happen. OK, look, we had the Pratt last night on the show who, well, the less said the better.

2:08It was a long day. But this is the latest from Fabrizio Romano. So this is his words. You may not have seen them this morning. United stands the place to be on a morning show. We get everything and not little bits. So Fabrizio Romano, late last night, many of you were telling me on Edison that United sources are saying that the deal is not off. They can say whatever they want. Everyone has their information. I respect United and other journalists. What I know is exclusively Atalanta received a communication tonight that the deal is not going to happen. I don't know when it will be made clear on every side of the story, but that is what I'm hearing.

2:46So Atalanta received a communication to say that the deal was off. Romano is saying that other journalists and Man United, I respect them, but that is not what Atalanta is saying. Atalanta have been communicated that the deal is off. So ultimately, that means the deal is off. Now, if United decide to go back, I mean, it just looks ridiculous, doesn't it? and before we talk about where United go next I think there are still some people that are concerned about why this has happened look the problem is and I've said this before and I'll say it again if you haven't got good information and you're not 100 % sure about it don't put it out there because the the transfer window over the last 10 years is a graveyard of ITKs and you know people who make it up who lose credibility and I think you know when it came out a week ago about this injury in the medical.

3:42Certain people started tweeting this, that, and the other, and they now look idiots again, just like they looked idiots over Fernandez and other things. The reality is if you haven't got the information, don't put it out there. And look, people talk to me about people in the know and this, that, and the other. I always say there's three or four people that I will listen to on X, and two of those people are David Ornstein and Fabrizio Ravano. And beyond that, you know, take your picks. But those two are what I'm always going to follow. And for all these people out there that have supposedly got information, why did they not know about the Tremini story?

4:19I knew about it and I'm not in that world. I don't do that. You know, I'm not. I know what's going on with Kone, you know. I know that I knew about this Edison thing a week ago. So why do these people not know about this? You know, they profess to be, you know what they are? They're just, they're just laser rimmers. They're basically just propaganda for the club. And their information's very good if it's positive about the club. But if it's anything that's like away from the club, they ain't got no sources at all. So I think that ultimately we're seeing some people coming out this morning about the Edison deal being on.

4:56But again, the reason I say what I've said there is the people that are saying the Edison deal is still on are the people who basically do the club's work. They're just defending the club. And sometimes the truth is away from the club. Sometimes the truth is in the club. You know, we've had bits from within the club, but this truth is the club are not putting this out there because they're protecting themselves. The truth was away from the club. And the truth is that there are people out there this morning who are saying, I think we've walked away from this deal because we've had second thoughts.

5:28I think what's happened is we've decided that we'll go for Santos and Edison doesn't suit the profile of Man United. And you just think, are you being paid for this? Are you literally being paid for this propaganda or are you just born stupid? I think we've sat there and decided that we don't want Edison and it's got nothing to do with the medical. OK, OK. It's nothing to do with the medical, right? It's got nothing to do with the medical. So Man United followed the data, went for Edison in May, have stayed with the data, really like Edison. Everybody on the board likes him. Carrick likes him.

6:04Wilcox likes him. They all like him. And they've all just woke up this week and gone, you know what? I've got second thoughts. Let's not do this deal anymore Or the truth could be There was a medical over in the World Cup That didn't go well And he's been in Manchester all week Doing other medicals Now you can read between the lines Or you can follow the bullshit Ultimately they wanted to sign Edison And ultimately they've run loads of medical tests And they've decided against it The truth is out there The truth is out there now if you were the director of football I think you've changed your mind but Man United haven't changed their mind they wanted the player unfortunately the tests haven't gone the way that they wanted them to go and they've got to deal with it and I think that's the right thing to do it's just where they go next now now reports this morning coming in from Brazil funnily enough are saying Jao Gomez and Kone let's start off with Jao Gomez now I just want to say um this is uh how do you word it?

7:08I mean, if I did Jao Gomez or Kona, Kona will win, won't he? But would you be happy with Jao Gomez? Let me know your thoughts. Now, look, it's not going to shock you for me just to add a little bit. Christian says, the truth is somewhere in between. The truth is not somewhere in between, Christian. You know, people like you really do, don't do yourself any justice, right? United really want edison really want him there's a problem with the medical in brazil he comes back to manchester to do more medical tests and then they decided not to go for him if there's if he flies through the medical he's a man united player christian so what do you think the problem is mate i mean i i was sort of being a little bit you know giving the audience a little bit of detective work stating the obvious but if we've got people in the chat who need it actually spinning out mate The reason Edison's not signing for Man United is because there's a problem with the medical.

8:07It's bloody obvious. Don't read between the lines. If you're Christian, the medical is the problem, right? Otherwise, he'd be a Man United player. There we go. Christian. Okay. João Gomez, Manchester United. There are a few problems with João Gomez, in my opinion. I'm not going to look at what people are voting at. There's a few problems with João Gomez. One of the big problems is, and I don't know whether I agree with this. I've seen a few people saying about Gael Gomez, we shouldn't go anywhere near it. Atletico Madrid pulled out of Edison. We don't really know why. Edison, obviously, we're not going to sign.

8:45Atletico Madrid pivot to Gael Gomez and now they're pulling out and United are going to go there. I mean, look, I think we're Everton. Maybe we're Atletico Madrid. I mean, what is it about Atletico Madrid's transfer policy that we like going for their sloppy seconds? I mean, surely we can't do that twice. You know, Edison would be an Atletico Madrid player if they hadn't pulled out in January. And Jao Gomez would be an Atletico Madrid player if they hadn't pulled out last week. So why are we following Atletico Madrid's sloppy seconds? I don't get it. So that's a bit of a concern. And some people have expressed that on social media.

9:21Another concern I've seen on social media is, and I think it's a little bit more valid than the last one, is that it's George Mendes. George Mendes is his agent. Now, some people are saying, get fucked. George Mendes absolutely screwed us over on the West Ham deal. And whilst he helped us on the Agate and Yoro deal, they've not worked out particularly well. And Mateus Fernandes was a player that United really, really wanted. And George Mendes facilitated the move to Tottenham. So screw him, basically, some people are saying. What I would say to that is don't let emotions get in the way of business.

10:06George Mendes is an agent. He is not a Man United director. He's not our director of football. George Mendes is an agent and George Mendes, quite rightly, is there to look out for what's best for him and his client. you can't not go for a player just because George Mendes did his over on the Fernandes deal ultimately we didn't put the best offer forward so I think it would be ridiculously petty to say we don't want a player from George Mendes because he's got a lot of connections so I don't think that's a reason not to go for him the third reason not to go for him is because I don't actually you think he's that good for what we're looking at?

10:49If we were starting from a blank canvas and it's the bottom shelf there, then yeah, Jao Gomez there, Alex Scott there, and maybe, well, they're all gone now, but a Tonali there. I'd be happy with that. Jao Gomez, Alex Scott, Tonali. I'd be happy with that. Jao Gomez, Mateus Fernandes, Chumini. I'd be happy with that. I'd be happy with that. I'm not happy with Santos, Gio Gomez or Gio Gomez, Santos and God knows what there. I think the balance of the midfield is wrong with Edison and Santos. And I think it's wrong with Gio Gomez and Santos. We're meant to be building a three-tier system here and we're buying players that are too similar.

11:32And you could argue that Gio Gomez and Santos are quite similar. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think it's the level of player they are. If, if Maynou, I don't know, look, I just look at the midfield next season and I go Maynou, Santos, Chal Gomez. And I think we're playing Everton away. And I go, I don't think that's going to cause James Garner and Idrissa Gueye many problems, you know. And I think that's what we've got to start to look at now. We can't just buy for buying sake. we do need to try and buy a good midfield because at the end of the day if you're playing Tottenham next season I know it's 11 against 11 but you know it's going to be Fernandes, Tenali maybe I mean they've got a lot of options in that midfield haven't they and we're turning up with Santos, Gael Gomez and Maynou it's just not the balance that we need it's not exciting it's quite underwhelming we've got Santos now I want Santos lodged on the bottom shelf and I want the next two signings to be exciting.

12:33And I don't think that that will work for me. Ultimately as well, if you want to have a conversation, we're all Man United fans, hopefully. So we all watch the Premier League and I'm sure a lot of you watch that's football as well. I've seen a lot of Gael Gomez. Mate, I know it's not his fault. And look, West Ham got relegated and Mateus Fernandes would have been a good signing. But I've seen a lot of Wolves and he didn't stand out last season as much as Anderson did at Forest when they were in trouble or Mateus Fernandes did at West Ham when they were in trouble. He was very, very mixed when I watched him.

13:16There were some good games and there were some shit games.

13:23I don't get it. I don't get it. Now, Ken says he's not average. I would love him. Mate, where's the cue for Gomez as well? It's the same with Santos. Where's the cue? Where's the cue for this amazing player that Ken thinks he's like right up there with the likes of McAllister and Zubimendi? Where is the cue for these players to back up this nonsense I keep seeing in the chat about Santos is going to be the next Casemiro and Gael Gomez is going to be the next Kante? Where's the cue? lots of people want midfielders this summer Gio Gomez is available for under 40 million quid where's Arsenal? where's Real Madrid?

14:00where's PSG? where are all these clubs queuing up for Gio Gomez? they're not so they're not there and somebody in the chat says where was the queue for Vitinha? do you want to show United? I'm going to tell your name now do you want to delete that quickly or do you want to go down in history? in fact let's clip this up so I've just said I don't think Jao Gomez is the right deal for Edison, right? Where's the cue for Jao Gomez? 25 Wolves player, right? Show United said, where was the cue for Vitinha? Please click that up and send it out to the internet because that's the problem with some people in our fan base.

14:34You'll say Jao Gomez worries me as a United signing because I don't think it's the right sort of signing for United and where's the cue? And you'll get some hipster saying, well, where was the cue for Vitinha? Yes, that's right. They're comparing Jao Gomez to Vitinha And this is why the Glazers win. And this is why Unios win. Because there's people in our fan base that will glaze a piece of shit and tell you it's prime beef. You know, it's incredible. You can't deal with stuff like that. Where was the cue for Vitinha? Mate, you're absolutely right. Do you want my job? Do you want to come and present the shows?

15:09Because I tell you what, I think I fell off. I think I'm finished. I think I've actually lost my ability to talk about football and you sound like an absolute genius. You're right. Jao Gomez, even though there's not really much of a cue and I don't think he's that good, he could be the next Fertina. You're right. I don't know. I don't know. Look, we probably will go for Jao Gomez. I think, as I said last night, I need to talk about Kona. There's a few things to talk about. But as I said to you last night, remember the excitement that you all feel that Edison's not happening now. I completely get.

15:47This is exactly the same excitement many of us had last summer when Anana... Remember last summer, Amarim wanted a new goalkeeper. Wilcox wanted a new goalkeeper. I think we got that news, funnily enough, it was from it. It was the March international break at the start of the summer last year. And the same source who told us about De Lapp from within the club said that Amarim and Wilcox want Anana out and they want a goalkeeper in. And it was very exciting because we were like, yes, we're going to get rid of the bloody goalkeeper. We're going to get a new goalkeeper. And of course, you know, March became April, became May, became June.

16:24And Arna walks back with his bloody boot bag in July. And we're like, fucking hell. Season starts, Behinder's in goal and Arna's on the bench. You're thinking, where's the goalkeeper? Where's the goalkeeper? And consistently, United are like, we might not buy a goalkeeper. We might not buy a goalkeeper. We're happy with what we've got. And you're like, it's August. It's the middle of August. We're not going to get a goalkeeper. then suddenly Bienda's shit Anana is shit and United go oh we need a goalkeeper and then we end up with Le Mans and everyone's like yes get in but remember the club weren't going to buy a goalkeeper they were going to stick with Bienda and Anana so it's a similar situation with Edison a lot of people are really excited that Edison's not signing for United now but remember the club want Edison and also your excitement just because you don't like Edison you might end up with something worse this is Man United like it is exciting if you didn't want Edison because we might get something better but let's remember that dice can sometimes roll you something worse so just be wary of that and also be wary of the fact that United needed one more midfielder they now need two time is running out there's a lot of things they need to do in this window and they can only do one deal at a time so I wouldn't be surprised what I'm trying to say is I wouldn't be surprised if we pivoted to something easy.

17:43We've got a good relationship with George Mendez. Wolves have been relegated. Xao Gomez wants a move. We need a midfielder. And guess what? Xao Gomez is Brazilian. He's not dissimilar to Edison in profile. You can see how the data goes. Edison is a very close fit to Xao Gomez. It's the same price. I feel that, you know, that could work quite quickly. Paul says they did two deals in a week. Paul, are you competing with the other idiot? You do know we've been working on the Darlow deal for about six weeks. I mean, I don't know whether you follow the news, but we've been working on the Darlow deal for about six weeks.

18:22It's just a backup goalkeeper, mate, so they can't run a story on it every day like Fernandes because no one's interested. And Santos, we held talks with him back in March. So we haven't just pulled them out of our arse and also if you're classing Darlow as a deal fucking hell we really are Edmonton aren't we um mate what I was trying to say is Paul is that we're not working on either of these midfielders at the moment so we're starting from scratch Edison was meant to be signing yesterday he's not so they've now got to go and talk to somebody else Darlow took a few weeks Santos took a few weeks we're starting from day dot so I can see why they might pivot for Giao Gomez because it's easy.

19:02Do I think Giao Gomez is better than Edison? Someone just said it in the chat. I don't think it really matters. I don't think it serves a purpose to have that conversation. I think you could argue Edison's better. I think you could argue Giao Gomez is better or you could just say they're very similar. In which case, I don't like the balance of Edison and Santos and I don't like the balance of Giao Gomez and Santos either. But I ain't going to lose any sleep over it because I personally don't think this summer transfer window is going very well. And I think if I was a fly on the wall in that United boardroom, I think there'd be a lot of panic and stress on everybody's face because they'd be going, this is not the window we thought in May.

19:44We had hoped that we might end up with a Ciumini and a Mateus Fernandes. At the moment, we haven't got our marquee signing and we're ending up with Santos, who we're happy with, Edison we can't get. And, you know, ultimately, I think when you look at United and you look at those, and I will talk about Kone now, I appreciate people are waiting for that. When you look at United now, the truth of the matter is, our marquee signing, we're already on plan D, because plan A was Anderson, plan B was Chiumini, and plan C was probably Bruno Gomez or Tonali. So we're down to plan D on our marquee signing.

20:24On our second tier signing, we're on to plan... Well, we don't really know. We know Mateus Fernandes was plan A. We don't know who plan B was. And I don't know because what was Santos? I don't know where Santos fits in. Is Santos the Mateus Fernandes signing? In which case, he could be plan C because it could have been Mateus Fernandes, Enmica, Alex Scott I don't know where Santos fits in And on our third tier midfielder We could be down to plan C or D again Because Edison was definitely plan A or B So every one of our midfield targets We're moving down the list We've not hit plan A on anyone, have we?

21:13And that's Paul Michael Carrick is an inexperienced coach The midfield was the big rebuild and we've not hit plan A or B on any of our tiers. And no one can argue with that. It's well known. You know, we didn't get Anderson. We didn't get Mateus Fernandes. We didn't get Chiamini. We're not getting Edison. We've not hit plan A again on any of it. And at some point, Sir Jim Radcliffe has got to look at Berada and Wilcox and go, it's two years of absolute failure. Everything you've done has gone wrong. you don't get plan A or B signings you sack managers you've told me to get which cost me money a lot of your recruitment is hit and miss yes, Sesco's working out quite well but come on, that was plan D and Favelle Tony Cotin's Le Mans Kunia and Bermot both publicly said it was Amri who persuaded them to come although they can have some credit for that Yoro, that's not worked out Agate, that's not worked out so I just think that I think Wilcox and Barada have got to be on borrowed time I mean I think as I'm in this conversation a few weeks ago and I think if this was Man City or Arsenal or Real Madrid or Barcelona they'd be gone or PSG they'd be gone or Bayern Munich they'd be gone there's too many mistakes but look that's something else let me talk to you about Kone because Kone's name has been thrown in by a lot of people overnight and I think there was something from Where was it?

22:45I think it was Rob Dawson, actually.

22:50So here it is. So an article went out from Rob Dawson and Felipe Silva, ESPN. Man United reassessed the signing of Edison and decided to pursue other midfield options in the market. Giao Gomez and Manu Kone are among the names Man United are evaluating. Now, Romano replied to that tweet with a thumbs up. we've spoken about jow gomez hanging out at the pool is great relaxing and playing vegas style games on my phone at the same time drink in one hand and a blackjack in the other it's all at spin quest over a thousand games including your favorite slots and table games be cool with this summer special new players Just get$30 coin packs for 10 at spinquest.com.

23:39SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. The situation with Manu Kone is this.

23:53He's under consideration, but it's unlikely to proceed anytime soon, as of this morning, because there isn't unilateral agreement on the board. Now, I have said before where that disagreement's coming from. I don't really want to keep pushing that because, you know, I don't think that serves a purpose. But there's not unilateral agreement on the board about Kone. There is legacy agreement on the board. I mean, you can read between the lines. You're not stupid. apart from the other one, Christian. He might need it spelling out. So effectively, the story with Kone is this. Last summer, we held talks with Kone and his agent and decided not to do it.

24:44In March, we held talks again because his agent is the same as Chumini. And essentially, the player is happy to sign for Manchester United. So if Man United go to Kone's agent today and say, we want this player, let's get the deal done, then you've just got to go to Roma and sort out a fee because Kone will come to Manchester United. The issue is, at the moment, he is not an active line of inquiry because there's not total agreement on the board.

25:24I suspect and I might be wrong on this this is where opinion comes in that's where it is at the moment with United right that's where it is with United at the moment Kone is liked on the board but it's not everybody so they're not moving ahead with it that could change very very quickly that could change you know and I would say Giao Gomez is more likely than Kone, but that could change. Let's see. But at the moment, not in agreement. Now, let's say it's Carrick who's not on board with Kone and Wilcox and the board is. That would stop the deal at the moment. If it is Carrick who's not on board, why would he not be on board?

26:09Now, negative people would say, well, what does Carrick know? Fucking Carrick, you know, he's only managed in the championships, probably never watched the Champions League. why would you listen to him? Very unfair. Michael Carrick is an educated person. He was a very European midfielder. I think he would have been brilliant in a Spanish squad. And Michael Carrick must be listened to. You can't just say you can't listen to the manager because when this all goes wrong at Christmas and he gets sacked, we really should be looking at the summer that's happened. So you've got to listen to the manager.

26:44I just wonder with Kone, and I've heard a few people talk about this. And I don't agree with this, but I do agree with the theory. Every midfielder we've looked at, bar Ciumini, is not a six. Anderson is not a six. Mateus Fernandes is not a six. Santos is not a six. Alex Scott is not really a six. Now, they can be moulded into a six, but they're not traditionally a six. Kone is a six. Edison's not a six. I just wonder whether Carrick's ideal midfield is actually without a six. I just wonder with Carrick's midfield, because he's playing two, he doesn't want somebody that just takes the ball and plays a simple pass.

27:32Is he looking for two midfielders that when they get the ball, they've got the ability to run with the ball and they've got the ability to play the forward pass because he wants to keep this counter-attacking thing that's worked really well going so instead of having a protector you have two eights who can do the bit of defending but ultimately when they get the ball they move the ball forward quickly if we're going to be a counter-attacking side a six probably doesn't appeal to him now obviously you're going to give up some defensive capability but I think potentially he might not want Ocone because he wants somebody who is a little bit more forward-thinking in his midfield.

28:16Now, a lot of people, and I would agree, I would go, well, what happens when you go to Anfield or the Emirates or Stamford Bridge? And, you know, as we saw at Stamford Bridge, we got very lucky to win that game 1-0. We were defending a lot, right? There wasn't that many opportunities to counterattack because we didn't have the ball. you do need somebody who can protect the back four. But look, what I think and you think, look at our coach. Casemiro wasn't really a traditional six at United. He was box to box. So maybe Carrick doesn't want a six. Maybe Carrick wants a multi-skilled player who can do that role but can also get the ball, run with it, pass it forward.

28:57Which is where the likes of Santos, Edison, Scott, Anderson, Fernandes, they fit that profile. So, you know, you can criticise Carrick for maybe not wanting Kone, but when you look at the recruitment we've been going for, there is a consistent profile of midfielder that isn't a six. It's more of a six-eight. You know, it's more of a box-to-box player. So maybe he wants two box-to-box players, in which case you can understand why he doesn't want Kone. personally I think United are crying out for a six personally you know I think we the profile of player that we want is that but but then you'd go well why did we want Ciamini then

29:50so but it's a theory it's a theory let's get into the comments for you coming in. Is tier one, two and three something United are actually doing, says Martin? I mean, look, it's a great point. I think the three midfielders realistically, logically, intelligently should have been done in 3-2-1. You know, you get your Jael Gomez, you get your Mateus Fernandes and you get your Tonali and they're distinctively A, B, C. And I think that would have been the plan. But I think the signing of Santos sort of threw that plan out of the window. And that's what happens when you're working on options C, D and E.

30:25It's very hard, you know, the lines become blurred. Tonali would clearly be your A signing. Mateus Fernandes would clearly be your B signing and Edison would clearly be your C signing. But when you start missing out on people, obviously the quality drops. So your A star signing sort of drops closer to B and your B star signing starts dropping to C and then your C star signing is closer to B. I think the water's become muddied. And I think the signing of Santos has symbolized that. Because what is Santos? I think he's meant to be the tier two signing. I mean, Ben Jacobs started talking about him starting.

31:05So maybe he's meant to be the tier one signing. But we're still working to the Edison, Santos and a marquee signing. I don't know. Is Santos now the marquee signing and we get Jao Gomez and Belaber? I don't know now. ultimately it's a great question and we're probably in the world of we just need three midfielders fuck what um tier they're in i think we just need three good midfielders um carl says gomez is a lot better than edison i don't think so but look mate i think that's a i think that's a terrible statement because as i said to you i don't think it's even worth having the conversation man united think edison's better than gomez so why are you not the director of football but also what does it matter I don't think Jao Gomez is a massive improvement on Edison I think it's the same sort of signing and many of us didn't want that signing so I think going from Edison to Gomez is is even is there even any point in saying one's better than the other you know you like potato I like pasta it's like it's I don't see the differential I I don't see the argument.

32:14It's certainly not comparing Jamal to Harvey Barnes, is it? You know, it's different. It's just different tastes, you know. I haven't missed any Super Chats, mate. I've just left them to a little bit when I've got past the news and then I go back to them, which is what tends to happen every morning show. You might be new. Alones says, what would be your ideal midfield signings now? I mean, I don't like answering that question. Do you know why I don't like answering that question? Because you answer that question, you put it out into the arena and it makes you sound like you're happy. I'm not happy with this midfield.

32:51I'm not happy. I'm not happy with Santos. I'm not happy with Edison. I'm not happy with the Jao Gomez story. I'm not happy with this midfield at all. I think this is a shit show of a summer transfer window and I'm going to stick to that. but I have to respect the fact that some of you live, you change your opinions based on, well, this is the reality. This will make me happy. I'm not happy with this window. I think Wilcox, Barada and everyone else has fucked it up. You know, we started in May talking about the Chuminis, the Tantanales, the Mateus Fernandes, and now we're talking about Jao Gomez, Edison, Santos.

33:24It's an Everton transfer window as far as I'm concerned. But what I would say is you've got to live in reality, you know if you want a ps5 for christmas and your mum and dad say you know we haven't got a lot of money the budget's 50 quid you can't keep moaning about a ps5 you know you can say you can be very unhappy and say this was not what i wanted but you've got to live to the reality and find something that is suitable yeah um i think at this point i could still construct a midfield that i'd be reasonably happy with. I mean, we're never going to get an eight or a seven out of 10 now because you'd need a Tenali or a Cimini or an Anderson.

34:04But if you give me Santos, Scott and Enmica, I'm happy. I'm still concerned, but I'm happy. I'll give that a six or a seven. We've already been priced out of Enmica. We've already spoken to Dortmund and walked away. so that's not going to happen Alex Scott as of this morning Bournemouth still want to keep him they want 80 million quid and there's competition so that might not be happening either so if you're asking me do I think we can pull off a you know a transfer window that's that's reasonable absolutely not and I'm not happy in May with Enmica Scott and Santos I'm not I probably would have given that a five out of 10.

34:51On July the 11th, I'd give that a seven because that's the reality of today. We won't hit that either. The standards are being lowered. We're setting new. I'll put up with that and that won't be hit either. So if you think about it, in May, many of us would have gone, Chumini, Alex Scott, Gio Gomez. I'll be happy with that. I'll give it a seven, right? In July, we're going, and Meechus Scott Santos, I'll give that a seven. You see what I mean? What we were given a seven in May and we would have put up with, we're now dropping the standard and going, oh, we'll put up with that. What's it going to be in the middle of August is what I worry about.

35:32Are we going to be in two weeks to go in the window saying, just get Belaber, it's better than nothing. Now, considering in May, if you'd said to me Belaber, I would have started crying, not happy tears. I suspect in a month's time, even I will be going, just get for Labour. And that's what I mean about this window. It's lowering expectations and it's indicative of United. It's symptomatic of a glazer rain in the sense that you have a standard here when Sir Alice Ferguson walks out the door. And in 2026, what our standards are is this. I mean, I tweeted something last night, right? There was this graphic that was showing the area, aerially, of Manchester United, right?

36:17And it was showing you where the new stadium was and where the old stadium is. And it basically did this like time slip thing where the new stadium gets built and regenerated and Old Trafford gets knocked down. And it had loads of retweets saying, I can't wait, I can't wait for this. So I quote tweeted it and went, I cannot explain in words, even though I am, how sad it makes me feel to watch a graphic of Old Trafford being knocked down and a new stadium being built and people are celebrating this. It's like a knife through the heart, watching Old Trafford just get knocked down. And I think I ain't got a problem with anybody that's happy about it, but that's symbolic of what's happened to our football club.

37:03They've ripped the soul out of it And the people who support this change Have lost sight of what Man United's all about We used to be about Old Trafford You know, the symbol of this football club And winning titles And we're now about knocking that down Building some new stadium That is going to make everybody a load of money And fighting for fifth And I'm like, somewhere along the line we've lost haven't we we've lost and this summer transfer window in a very small way symbolizes that we start off looking at like Mateus Fernandes Chiamini and Gio Gomez and here we are with Santos and God knows what else it's just I'm not even surprised anymore it's the same all the time and there'll be people in the chat going oh stop being so negative it's always so negative and you sort of like go do you not listen to the last three minutes as to why some of us feel a little bit like deflated and you want us to cheer it.

38:03Well, I tell you what, let's flip it around and I never do this. If it's negative to explain the last three minutes as to why many of us feel negative, you positive people are the problem because you sit back cheerleading this ownership that's ripped the heart out of this football club, ripped the heart out of this football club, you know, tossed its identity into the fucking bin and has become a mercenary, soulless money machine for billionaires who don't care about the club. So if it's negative to call it out, what are you for putting up with it and cheerleading it? I don't even know what the word is for you.

38:40You know, I wouldn't like to repeat it. Barella says, have a look at Patrick Berg in the number eight role at Norway this evening. Yeah, the problem with Patrick Berg is, he's a brilliant player. He plays for Bode Glimt. I think he's touching 29 and he's never played in the Premier League. he's a brilliant player but that is not going to happen at Man United and I think if it did happen I can imagine what this fan base would do there is no there is number 7 now they've blown it most is 5 or 6 says Ray Carl Brown Amore hope you're doing well Ray I feel we now oh sorry he's talking about there is no 7 out of 10 now they've blown it it's going to be 5 or 6 for the transfer window sorry I didn't get what you were talking about I thought you were talking about Mason Mount and we don't have a number seven, which is also true.

39:28I feel we now in the realm of just get three midfielders. I'm not happy because Ineos has messed up. Now we're on option C, just get it done, says Ray. Sorry, Yufra Rajan says, my unpopular opinion, marquee signing doesn't always guarantee good performance, but consistent players can play well most of the time. I think it is unpopular, Yufra Rajan, for this simple reason. Where are Everton in the league? Where are Arsenal in the league? So Everton buy lower value consistent players And look at where they are in the league And then Arsenal and Man City sign the likes of Declan Rice and Erling Haaland And you know top tier players I think I've heard this argument before And I'm not criticising you It's basically excusing this mentality that United are trying to convince our fan base about.

40:25You don't need players on more than 200 grand a week. You don't need to pay 80 million pounds for players. We'll be absolutely fine winning the league with players that are worth 50 million pounds and under 200 grand a week. That's what they're trying to convince you. And maybe you are starting to be convinced. But tell me this, if buying players for 50 million pounds and paying them under 200 grand a week is the way to win titles, why aren't all the other clubs that do that winning the title? What's going on, everyone? It's Bluff here, and you know what's more American than America's 250th birthday?

40:58Supporting American-owned companies like SpinQuest, America's number one social casino with over 1 ,000 games like Live Dealer Blackjack and Craps. They're offering new users a$30 coin package for just$10. Go to SpinQuest.com and sign up today. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details. Look at the clubs who win the league. Apart from Leicester, which was, you know, I don't think that's going to happen very often. And we're a Leicester now. We want sustained success. We don't want to do a Leicester. People keep talking about Leicester.

41:36So do you want to be Leicester? You want to win the league once and then end up in League One. So forget Leicester. Every other team that's won the league in the Premier League, including us, hasn't done it by paying under 200 grand a week to our entire squad and barring£50 million players. Every other team that wins the league pays big wages and big transfer fees. Because the players are better. What would be your ideal? Done that one. Done that one. Villa says, hi, Mark. Hope all is well. I think now it's about completing the profiles in the midfield after Santos' recruitment. Belaber for legs and ball winning in a tempo.

42:10Oh, fucking hell. I'm moving on from that.

42:17Suraden says, you always speak for the good of the club. You always will. the hate you get is not fair. Mate, we're getting bot attacked. We're getting, you know, some of the comments that come in are incredible. But look, it amazes me that people aren't talking like this more. I don't think it's even controversial. I think when you watch the shows, you might disagree with some of it. But, you know, ultimately, it's about the love for the club and what it's become. And if people have a problem with that, I think they're the problem. but you know whatever from what's left United need to get Kone and Scott says one and only well somebody just said in the chat do you think we'll get Scott I think you have to get Scott I think you have to get Scott or Nmicha you have to and let's not forget Scott and Nmicha aren't Chumini and Tonali like they are a drop down they are plan C and D I don't think we get Nmicha and Scott in fact I don't think we get one of them I think they're going to be out of our price range but I agree with you I think you have to the tier 3 midfielders that we're looking at this is an established fact they are looking at three tiers it's all over the place now says detox Emily Derry's in the chat she says you really have to worry when the transfer plan is going so badly that we've burned through all the good targets and are having to negotiate with ourselves on who to buy next taking up time I mean I think that's a good point from Emily you know if you think about it Edison was plan A that's fell through Fernandes was plan A that's fell through Anderson has plan A, that's fell through.

43:48Then Tenali's fell through. So many deals have fallen through. And now we're looking at players and we're not agreeing in July. Like if you take Kone, there's disagreements on the board on July the 11th. This is a conversation from March that they've already had and they're having to revisit. Let's not forget, this is not the first time we spoke about Kone. We just spoke about Kone in March and a decision was made. and it was not to go for him. So we're now bringing, Emily's absolutely spot on. Giao Gomez is the same. We decided not to go for Giao Gomez. We're bringing people into the boardroom that in March and April, we'd said no.

44:31Have you figured it out yet? Christian, have you read between the lines? This is not good news. We are talking about players in the boardroom in the middle of July that we'd already said no to in April and May. why are we talking about them? Because we've burned through all of our targets. So we're now talking about players that we'd said no to before the summer transfer target. So we're doing March work in the middle of the window. And what I mean by that is we will have done preparatory work for this summer transfer window and we'll have lined up everyone we want to go for. So you do that work in March and April so that you're ready to go in the summer.

45:11And then in July, we're back looking at people we'd said no to because we've burnt through all the targets. And that is not good. That is not good to be in that position in July, holding meetings that were done in March and April because we've burnt through all the targets we wanted. Emily's absolutely spot on. Andre Gomez says, Andre Santos is a third option, is much better than Edison. Manu Kone is exciting and perhaps we could go for Buadi. We can still have a stave this window, but it depends on Ineos. let's see Paul O 'Brien says accountability is the word that's what I want to see at the end of this transfer window um look I said when Amarim got sacked in January Wilcox should be sacked before the summer it didn't happen I would say based on this summer transfer window Wilcox should be sacked in September it won't happen I'd already made my mind up if I was to Jim Ladcliffe I'd be like, this is chaos.

46:04You know, this is chaos. I've spent 1.8 billion on this football club and I'm into my seventies. And this last two years has been a fucking nightmare. The only positive thing that's happening around my investment is that we're going to get this stadium, which is probably going to double my money. But on the footballing side, it's an absolute shit show. So I think changes need to happen, but you know, whether they will or not, I don't know. Any idea why we went for Darlow instead of simply promoting Vitek? I know the answer to this, Gavin. It's a very good point. So Vitek was like young player of the year, player of the year for Bristol City in the championship.

46:40A lot of people were saying, bring him back, compete with Le Mans. We've got two very good young goalkeepers. We've signed Darlow as the backup goalkeeper. Bienda will move on. The reason we haven't gone with Vitek is because we want to sell him and bring money into the club. Remember, United have sold nobody, so they need to bring some money in. It's a very similar situation to James Garner a few years ago where we couldn't sell any of the real shit, so we sell the prospect. And that's what will happen with Vitek. We will sell the prospect. Fans end up overhyping players during the window because of hype clips on YouTube and it leads to disappointment.

47:16We need to stop procrastinating and sign players who can perform, says Alanis. Very spot on. You say just like Everton but I can't remember Everton having a transfer saga as bad as this to say J.K. Worthing well the reality is you've got no one's ever said it yet but I'll say it like you said I say we're like Everton but when have Everton ever spent 50 million pounds on someone like Santos or when have Everton spent 40 million pounds on someone like Edison remember we're into July now and our biggest signing is 48 million. You know, not 70 million, not 80 million. Our biggest signing is 48 million and cheap wages.

47:55Now, maybe 20 years ago, me saying, well, like Everton, people would laugh at me and go, when do Everton spend 48 million? But you know the answer. And the reason no one said it is because Everton's of this world do spend 40, 50 million pounds on players now. and West Ham do. And other, you know, we are literally operating under the very similar parameters to the likes of Everton now. You know, they would buy a player for 40, 50 million pounds. They would pay a player 100 grand a week. And that is the budget that we're working to at the moment this summer. We want to pay cheap wages and cheap transfer fees.

48:37And that's exactly what teams like Everton pay now. I mean, look, Everton transfer record is... I mean, let me go through this. I mean, this is... You know, I'm sort of doing this on the hook. We'll come back to it. Captain T1 says, it feels like Premier League proven quantity over elite quality, which could work. I think they see mainly was our 100 million refielder, not realising we need two. Andre says, don't want to hear the name George Mendes ever again. Every single time he's been involved in transfers, as we get the short end of the stick. Not a bad point. Patrick Lynch is in the house.

49:15He says, all of these players individually are fine. As a collective, I don't know how competitive or consistent they can be. Do any replace Casemiro's goals? Can they even match up against the lower end of the Champions League, let alone the higher end of the leagues as Patrick? Look, I think part of being a big club, and Patrick makes a good point, part of being a big club is having the fear factor. So if you roll into Everton's football ground, for example, and they see Casemiro in the midfield, there's a bit of a fear factor because it's Casemiro, you know, Brazilian, Real Madrid, multi-winner.

49:56You roll into the Everton and it's João Gomes and Mainou. And I think you look at the midfield and you go, we've got a chance. So, you know, of course, I like Patrick's comment because it's like, as individuals, these players, you know may not be bad players but as a collective where's the fear factor also as a collective where's the balance so I think sometimes and I think this is where a lot of people got it wrong with Santos it's not really about the player if you have a midfield of Rodri and um Cherky and you know Man City's midfield and Anderson and then you buy Santos you go I like the balance of that.

50:34Santos has got a lot of potential, but you've already got Cherky and Rodri and Anderson. So it's a good balance. If Liverpool buy Santos and they've got McAllister and Gravenberg and then Santos comes in, you go, he's a really good prospect. I like the balance of that midfield. But Man United, you go Santos, Maynou, Ederson or Jao Gomez. Fucking hell. A prospect with a prospect, with a mid player. I don't like the balance of that at all. So it's not really about the individual. The individual in the right midfield could be a really good acquisition, could be a really exciting acquisition. But the underwhelming thing about United's summer transfer window is, is it's underwhelming because it's a real punt.

51:17There's no strategic recruitment there at all. We know next season we're going to Anfield with Manu Santos and whoever else, there's no experience there. There's no fear factor there. So what we need them to do is hit the ground running, learn together and become the next, you know, the next big thing. And that's hard. It is hard. So I think that Santos can be a good signing if the next two signings, I mean, this is why Enmica for me would be perfect because I think he's an outlier. I think Real Madrid were looking at him. And I think if you bring Enmica to the Premier League and he works, he's instantly experienced in his mid-20s and he's a leader and he's experienced.

52:01So that's why I think a player like that's very important. Not saying much, but Gomez is better than Edison, says Chandler Chucky. I don't think he necessarily is, but we'll do agree to disagree. Santos, Kone and Scott would be perfect with who's left available, says Phil. Two perfect midfielders are Kone and Sukic from Inter Milan. Has that Croatian spirit, gives everything for the badge, can't play any positions, says John. Kone Scott, Stilla, Santos. I mean, you've just bought four players there, George. You're dreaming. I think if we can get Kone for 45 million, it would be great, says Callum.

52:33Kone's injury history might factor in, says Hitton. Few people keep mentioning this. It's becoming a bit repetitive, but obviously it's a super chat. Kone's had a couple of hamstring injuries. Some of our viewers seem to think that they know best just because they've been on transfer market injury history. the only reason we've been analyzing edison is because there's a problem with the medical so you go and look at what the problem might be and it's the knee um if we sign cone i guarantee you it'll be signed medical holding up the shirt he will get through a medical and you can look at transfer market all you like but if you get through the medical the transfer history is irrelevant what the reason the edison thing is a problem is because he's gone through the medical and a problems come through so if Kone goes through a medical and a problem comes through we won't sign him it's as simple as that uh hi Mark how are you doing today seeing Luke Shaw in Man United post shocks me how's he still here just looking at Shaw he has no pace I mean George if you're Luke Shaw you must be absolutely sat there smiling because his position you're absolutely correct should be finished Luke Shaw at left back for Man United should be over and because we've messed up the midfield we won't even get to left back so you know he's got another season playing the left back can't he so why have ben jacobs on the show uh get uh get romano on the show uh it's a spaniard okay i think we'll do what we want to do thank you cully collie mcgrath thank you very much for joining the members club you're a legend thanks for getting your badge in and emily derry says atalanta have at least the motive to say the deal is off out of all the parties except maybe edison they lose out on 45 million windfall on a player with a year left on his contract yeah I mean a few people Emily you make another good point a few people have said why would Atalanta put it out there before Man United that the deal is off I think sometimes Emily it's about getting ahead of the problem isn't it um you know if you're in a relationship and your wife's left you do you wait for them to put it on socials or do you get out there in front of it and say you know sometimes And facing up to a problem before the real brief isn't a bad idea.

54:44So, yeah, yeah. Emily also says some of the players we are looking at as starting players for us are at best being looked at by clubs, if at all, to supplement their roster, not to drop them into the first 11. Gavin says completely agree. Our scouting should have been done months ago and not now. But sign Boadi and Rodgers alongside Santos and I'll be very forgiving. Gavin but look I don't disagree with what you're saying Gavin but those two players are out of reach financially we've already walked away I mean I think the confusing thing is is that you read comments like Gavin's and I'm not criticizing it and he's saying rescue the window by signing Rodgers and Buwadi but the reason the window is in a mess is because we walked away from deals less expensive than those two players so we walked away from Fernandes for 80 million quid Rogers will be 100 So to rescue the window We need to spend money More money on panic buys Than it would have cost to buy the plan A's And Boadi's being touted at 80 million So this is what I mean Gavin It's very worrying isn't it To rescue the window We need to spend the money that we didn't spend To put us in this mess in the first place Every little thing is going to be alright Mark says Nedja Are we fearful enough to go to Belaibus says Kiel.

56:07Garfield says, it's like choosing playground team. We're left with the worst players. Great show. Thank you, Garfield. Hope you're doing well. Do you think one day you will leave United stand and become a coach? Says Josh. I doubt it. Think we see more of Lacey and Gabrielle this season, says Joshua. I think pre-season United need a bit of PR and I think we will see Lacey and Gabrielle in pre-season and that will probably distract people. You know, pre-season is a great they should call it PR instead of PS preseason because it's a great opportunity to throw out a couple of preseason perlows a couple of youngsters and build the optimism in a fake environment which is what preseason is has the gym organized a charity event with our players to fund for ex-united players and family yet as he bollocks mirror would you take still us as jake well i personally i would do yeah uh alonis says me and my brother from india we visited old Trafford last month on a tour it's unbelievable that they're breaking it down it's culturally rich I don't know how we as fans have accepted it well you and me both pal thank you very much okay I've checked Everton's record signing now this was done almost 10 years ago and it was 50 million euros for Gylfi Ziggardson

57:32so And they bought a few players for 40. Richarlison, which was seven years ago. Inanna, three years ago. Tyler Dibbling, last year. So we are pretty much operating on an Everton budget. So when I say we're like Everton, we are. We are. we're offering similar wages and we're paying similar transfer fees and people are happy with this and seriously you know when people say when i say we're operating like everton i'm not doing it for a laugh like i feel like and you know everton nearly got into europe everton used to be a big club they were winning the league in the 80s but you know you know everton are not Wolves, they're not going to get relegated.

58:28Everton are a team that operates somewhere between 7th and 13th. That's where I see Everton. And they pay around 30 to 50 million pounds for their signings. And they probably play somewhere between 50 and 120 grand in wages. That's not far off what we're doing. Edison was going to be on less than 100 grand a week. I think Santos is on less than 100 grand a week. And every signing we've made has been between 35 and 50 million quid. So we are operating to a mid-table budget. When are people going to wake up? Welcome to the world of Glynios. Santos's highest defensive midfield scorer. Okay, I'm not reading stats, Mike.

59:21So Mike's just done some stats about Santos when he was in France. Mike, you know what I'm going to sing at you? Where were you last week with these stats? Why are you a Glazer bot? Hello, Jason, in the chat pretending to be Mike. I mean, mate, look, those stats from the French League, very, very interesting. But where were you last week? Why are you talking about Santos as well? He's a Man United player. There's been no negativity about Santos in this show at all. Why are you coming in with Santos propaganda? You're trying to make out the windows good, you Glazer bot. Would you be happy with...

59:59With who? Maynu and Meacher. Why have you put Felix M? Alan, why would you write it like that? Would you be happy with Cobby, Felix M, Kone and Santos? Why not? You've done Felix space M. Why don't you just put in Meacher? Would you be happy with Cobby, Felix M? Oh, because there's a Felix A. Are we going for a Felix A? Are we going for a Felix B? I mean, mate, come on, mate. Give a bloke a hand, you know. It's an hour into the show and you're writing Felix M. Would you be happy with Cobby, Felix M, Kone and Santos? See, we got there in the end.

1:00:47I give it a six. I'd give it a six. I mean, I'd probably bite your hand off right now. At the start of the summer, I'd have given it a five. Right now, I'd give it a six. I would love NMetra. I think if United got for NMetra, it would boost my mood, but we won't happen. And anyway, it's not Felix M. Anyway, it's Felix N. All right. Enough of the internet. I've had enough. I've had enough. When do you think they'll announce Santos? well hopefully soon so we can stop getting Mike Z's propaganda

1:01:26right Reina wants to go for Stilla we have an 8 o 'clock show tonight because England's live at 10 so we do have an 8 o 'clock show tonight if anything else happens we'll go live of course have a great day really good show stay safe everyone take care make sure you subscribe to the channel and obviously whatever happens we might be operating at a low Everton transfer budget level but we're certainly going to be busy I don't know whether that's a positive or an we're going to have to be busy over the next seven weeks what we're going to pull out the pond I don't know but we will be busy let's see what comes next take care have a great day stay safe

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