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0:39It's a big week for Manchester United. Three big announcements, big announcements are going to happen with Man United very soon. They might happen today. The Edison deal could still be on. Also, Rashford return, Kamavinga or Kone and United have got their first preseason game on Saturday. Where would you rank the start of this preseason with other years? How excited are you about Man United's return to football action on Saturday compared to previous years? Because I've got to say, I'm about as excited as a fart in a lift. Maybe they are excited to be released. I don't know. But yeah, not particularly excited.

1:21And I'll tell you why. I love United, but not massively excited. But I want to start off with a positive because loads of people say negative, negative, negative. And we are fed negativity from the club and their lack of ambition. I just wanted to find a positive. Goldbridge's positive thought for the day. And I'm going to try and find a positive thing about Man United every day this week, right? Positive point number one. As bad as we are at transfers, we're not Newcastle. As bad as we are at transfers, we don't make the same mistake Newcastle make every time. Newcastle are a prime example of going after players who've got no interest in signing for your club.

2:01Newcastle go and agree deals with clubs and not players.

2:09That's my positive point of the day. No, but they do. At least we do, and most clubs do, try and get the player to want to come to the club first. Newcastle literally go to the club, agree the deal, and then say to the players, you want to come? And they go, no, we don't do that. So there you go. Hold that positive thought for the day. Kiro says, stop saying Edison again. Mate, mate, this is a news show. This is not an eight o 'clock show. You know, get your brain into gear. We cover the news predominantly on a 10 o 'clock show and react to it. And an eight o 'clock show like last night, we might have a couple of topics, but we do get led by you.

2:45So if I say Edison deal back on, it tends to be because that's in the news. OK, so this is from the Manchester Evening News this morning. I don't want to be talking about this. So it's been reported a medical test detected a knee injury in the Brazilian, and that might be why the deal is off. Despite claims a move may now be off, the Manchester Evening News understands Michael Carrick's side have not given up hope of signing him and have insisted a deal has not been cancelled. That's literally in an article in the last hour. Now, David Ornstein hasn't said a bloody word on this deal at all. And I know for a fact that David Ornstein will have known something at least a week ago.

3:33Because I knew something a week ago yesterday and I ain't David Ornstein. So he knows something. I mean, I'm speculating a little bit. But if I know David, like in the sense of it being a good journalist, he hasn't said a word about this. So I don't know. Look, this deal has to be off. We would be ridiculed. But it's mad that that's coming out this morning, that the deal might not be off. I mean, who knows? I'm like you, mate. I'm moving on. Let's talk about Camavinga. Let's talk about Kone. Let's move on. It's a big week for Man United. I'm just saying that's what the Manchester Evening News is saying this morning.

4:12So let's see what happens. But I tell you what, if United go back and get Edison, I think they'd have a big, big, big problem because I think as a fan base, we've moved on. We think it's sad, but some of us didn't want him in the first place. Some of us were quite interested to see how it was going to work out. Me, but we've got to move on. I think we've got to move on and we will move on. United are about to announce three big deals potentially today. Santos will be officially announced. Could happen anytime today. Darlow will be announced today as well The backup goalkeeper And Orozco will be announced today Or sometime this week Because he's just turned 18 We're basically announcing nothing there I'm sorry You can spin PR as much as you like That's announcing nothing That's like walking into work and saying Hey everybody, I'm here And everyone going Well, it's 9 o 'clock on a Monday You work here This is not an announcement This is buying time This is nonsense.

5:12This is not news. If this is what we're doing with seven weeks left in the window, it's a little bit worrying. We know we've signed Santos. The holding up of the shirt and a few PR sentences is not news. Orozco is like what we did with Lyon last summer. We announced him as a new signing, but we'd been told about him six months before. You look at what's happening with Kone, not the Kone we want to sign, the youngster who we loaned to Luzon. We're loaning him there again. I remember about 18 months ago when we signed him, he was going to be the next big thing. He's now on loan at Luzon, who Ineos own.

5:42So Orozco's not exciting until he actually shows he's exciting. And as for a backup goalkeeper, I mean, if you get excited about that, you must get excited about wind. And I mean like the wind outside. I mean, God, you must be a cheap date if you're getting excited about a bloody backup goalkeeper. I mean, it's ridiculous. So that's not news. That's not news. But it is news, but it's not news for me. There's seven weeks to go in the transfer window. and it's David Ornstein. It's not really. There's seven weeks to go in the transfer window and we need better than that. Camavinga's story is a lie, says example.

6:22I mean, okay, look, I've said this before and I'll say it again. It's really, really boring. But over the last 48 hours, I've noticed, and I think you'll notice it a lot when you look in the comments, the live comments, we seem to be being attacked. a lot of the accounts have been removed but there seems to be I don't know whose tactic it is there seems to be a lot of this so just beware if you're in the chat your enjoyment may temporarily get destroyed by these strange accounts that seem to be coming in

6:57pro the owners of this football club it's not a lie this is from Fabrizio Romano Manchester Premier League clubs are very keen on Camavinga. Despite the new calls, the player still wants to stay, but Real Madrid would be happy to see him leave. So watch out, see what happens with Camavinga. Camavinga is a player that many of you have said Manchester United should go for. Obviously, that's an update from Fabrizio Romano. It's not a lie, is it? And, you know, it is a player that Real Madrid would like to move on. They don't want Cimini to move on. They've given him a new contract. They don't want Valverde to move on.

7:34they obviously don't want Bellingham to move on they do want to bring a midfielder in and Kamavinga is the player they want to move on Kamavinga is saying he doesn't want to lead but if Real Madrid push for it then it could still happen and ultimately if you are Kamavinga then and a Liverpool come in or a Man United come in or an Arsenal come in you might well fancy that rather than sitting on the bench and not being used by Jose Mourinho next season for me it's a no Man United do have good connections with Real Madrid and there's no doubt that he's a good player, but a lot of people talking about this and a lot of people have been talking about it over the last couple of weeks.

8:13He's been mentioned on our show quite a while, but I'm just going to run a little either or on this. I mean, look, on a very simple level, who's in the French squad? Who starts for France? Kone, not Camavinga. So I think that's quite telling in relation to that. He struggles to get into a Real Madrid side. They'd probably take you for 60 million. Look, I'm not saying he's as bad as Belaba in relation to pure talent. I think he's a player with a good reputation, but this can't develop into something for Manchester United. It can't. And I'm not saying it is. There's just that story from Romano which backs up what some people in our chat have been saying over the last two weeks, we should go for Camavinga.

8:57I firmly think we shouldn't go for Camavinga. I think Camavinga, previously going to Real Madrid, we did get linked to him, however many years ago that was. And that looked like an interesting signing. He went to Real Madrid. He hasn't kicked on. I think when I've seen him play for Real Madrid as well, he's a little bit indisciplined. Can you remember, was it last season where he picked up the two yellow cards from the bench very, very quickly? He's still potential. He's still raw. And that, to me, is something that worries me anyway to bring into Manchester United. I think that we were talking last night about how they don't seem to want a specialist six.

9:33They seem to be going for these eights to play in the midfield too, which I think could be a mistake anyway, which is why I'd lean towards Kone because he's got a little bit more experience. He can play that Chumini role and he has played it for France when Chumini's not played. I think Kone is the better signing. Who do I think is the better talent? I think on pure potential, Kamavinga is a better talent than Kone, but Kone is not a talent anymore. He's an established player who's 25. Kamavinga may never reach that talent. And I think the skill set that we're looking for, I think Kone provides experience, energy, consistency, and more importantly, he's proven that he can deliver.

10:19However, I would say Kone to me could be what Masraoui's been to Manchester United in the sense that if we use him, I want, you know, I'm not saying that Kone is like going to be Jude Bellingham or Declan Rice or anything like that. But what we do need in that midfield is somebody that can deliver, you know, seven out of ten every week. And I said that about Masraoui when we first signed him. Every game he played, he used to give us a seven out of ten. and I look at United over the last, you know, five, six, seven, eight years, we very rarely have a player that can give consistent performances week in, week out.

10:53You know, beyond Bruno maybe, there's not many United players that will give you seven out of ten every week. You might get a seven, you might get an eight, then you'll get a four, then you'll get a five, then you'll get a six, then you'll get a five, then you'll get a seven. I think this would be a very intelligent signing for Kone to just bring somebody into the team that can give you some stability and consistency, especially in the midfield. And that's the deal I want to see happen. Look, there may well be Premier League club interest in Camavinga and Man United may be one of the clubs that develop an interest in Camavinga.

11:22But right here, right now, we've got seven weeks left in this transfer window. And I don't know about you. I think we can't afford to be monitoring anymore. I can't. You know, it's Christmas Eve. The shops are closing in two hours. You need to start buying because you've got a long list of presents for family members that you need to go and get. You can't be monitoring the shops now, walking around, browsing. It's time to buy. And Kamavinga to me feels like a browse. Oh, is he interested? Who else is interested? Weeks and weeks. Look, that's a good point, actually. We're not in that position anymore.

11:54We've had 12 months to prepare for this transfer window. We went for targets we wanted that we haven't got. The Edison one's very unlucky, but we've left ourselves in a position where we've made one signing in this window and there's seven weeks to go and we've made no sales. We are not in a position as a football club now to be testing the water, monitoring or anything like that. It's time to go. This is what we want. Let's go and do it. Because I tell you what, I've experienced it. I've played the game. You've played the game. There's seven weeks to go. Even if we go for it today, we will run out of time in late August.

12:32And what I mean by that is even if we know the two midfielders we want, the winger we want, the left back we want and the players we want to sell, we will still come up short. There is no way in the time that we've got left, we'll sign two midfielders, a left back, a left winger, move Rashford on, move Xerxes on. You know, that's six deals. And there's probably more that we would like to do. We won't do six deals in seven weeks unless we start today. It's very, very difficult. So I don't want to see another week of, oh, we might do this, we might do that. And also, let's not forget when preseason starts, I know it's a little bit different with this not being a US tour, but I say this every year.

13:15We predominantly don't do a lot of activity in preseason. We don't. You normally head off on preseason and you don't do a lot else. So we've got a period of time where we're walking into a statistically stereotypical era where we don't tend to do a lot in the last two weeks of July and the first week of August because we're on tour. It's not a proper tour because we're not going to the US. So hopefully, and I think we are basing ourselves at Carrington, but we've got to get busy. And I would expect to see advancement on a Kone deal this week. I really, really would. And I know we're in talks. but look on Kamavinga or anybody else and I heard people talking about Adam Wharton look if we get Kone over the line and we want to spend a month going after Wharton or Scott fine we've got time but get the next deal done ASAP because we can't work on more than one deal at once anyway and we still need the left back as well so yeah what's this story about Edison Mark I mean look I'm springing it in it's a news show so Manchester Evening News put an article out in the last hour are basically saying that Man United is still saying that the Edison deal isn't off.

14:25So Edison's not in the UK. He's not doing medicals. He's on a flight to go on holiday. I'd be massively disappointed if the Edison deal still happened. But, you know, I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens with that. These clowns on the board must be suffering from extreme procrastination, says Graham Land. Is Bruno Gamera still a possibility? Surely he'd prefer United over Arsenal, says Holt. I mean, I don't think he would prefer Man United over Arsenal. And Christian says, why aren't we in for Bruno Guimaraes? I saw something today about Bruno Guimaraes. I don't know whether anybody can tell me whether this is actually true, because sometimes you do see these sort of fake quotes flying around.

15:06But there was something about, I think it was Brian Robson was talking about, it was via the Manchester News. I don't know whether it's true. I don't know if it's a fake quote, but it seems like quite a long quote. and basically it was saying Brian Robson, former Man United player, legend of the club, says Bruno G would be the right player for Man United to replace Casemiro. I liked him as a captain. He's got a great attitude. You've got to be careful how many players you send forward. But the way Bruno Fernandes gets on the ball, Gamera's can do the work that Casemiro has done. Very good engine.

15:39The only question is whether he'd be available this summer. So look, I don't think you should necessarily listen to ex-players that much. But I think, you know, Brian Robson was a captain marvel midfield extraordinaire for Manchester United. And I think sometimes, you know, people like Roy Keane, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, Brian Robson, if they're talking about a midfield profile for a Man United player, then you probably should take notice of what they're going to say. I mean, look, Casemiro, imagine Casemiro allegedly advised Manchester United to go for Bruno Camaros. But I think, I mean, I don't know why we've not done it.

16:22I would imagine it's the passport in relation to the age category, the fact that he's 28. I think United have looked at that and gone, there's no salon value, which again is a ridiculous parameter to stick in place. But as a Casemiro replacement, I think we've said it a few times, he's probably one of the best because he is a leader. He is aggressive. He would be a fan favourite. And, I mean, look, I agree. I think when you look at what Casemiro brought to the team, we're not going to... There seems to be a lot of people out there not realising that it's not even about Casemiro's ability or his playing style.

17:03There is a huge leadership issue that's gone that you can't replace with Santos or Kone or Edison or Maynou or Belaber or whoever else we're going to bring in. there is a huge void in leadership that Casemiro had. And you can say, well, Harry Maguire's a leader. He ain't Casemiro. Harry Maguire played for Leicester, played for England, played for United. He never won anything big. He's not Casemiro leader. You walk into a dressing room and Harry Maguire walks in and Casemiro walks in, you listen to Casemiro. Like he is genuinely the biggest leader we had in that dressing room on pure respect. Bruno is very much loved in that dressing room but he ain't Casemiro level of experience so I think people have missed that one I think people talk about Casemiro's tackling ability his heading ability but what about his you know when Michael Carrick walks into the dressing room Casemiro's more experienced and Carrick's the manager so I think that has been neglected and I think they think they can cover it off with people like Maguire and Bruno but we already had Maguire and Bruno we're losing something with Casemiro going that we don't seem to want to replace and it's not the six it's the leadership and it's the experience that doesn't get spoken about enough I know there's this talk that we don't want a traditional six but do we not want to do we not want to replace that experience and we don't seem to want to do that with Casemiro so Bruno Gameres would be somebody that in my mind would at least bring some of that in I mean he's not Casemiro who is but he would bring some experience in that we just don't seem to, I don't know what it is.

18:42On the one hand, you've got Omar Barada talking about winning the league this year or next year. And on the other hand, you've got a team that is very inexperienced, and also a manager that's very inexperienced, and a coaching staff that's very inexperienced. I mean, Jonathan Woodgate's not experienced. Johnny Evans, it's his first job. Michael Carrick's not experienced. Steve Holland has got some experience, obviously working with England and Southgate. The team is now more experienced than it was last year because we've taken Casemiro out of it and replaced him with a kid in Santos. So there's a lack of experience in that team when things go wrong that we don't seem to want to replace, which is that a tactic?

19:23Do we want a young, inexperienced squad because it's easier to manage when they don't have personality and experience? Maybe that's what it is. I don't know. Anyway, what do you think is going to happen with Kone, Mark? Look, talk's ongoing. Depends what United do. I would hope that we clear these announcements today about Santos and Darlow and Orozco. I would hope we clear them out today so that we can focus on other things tomorrow because it's a big week. And as I said, our first preseason games on Saturday, we start now. There's a game a week all the way through to the start of the season with these preseason games.

20:00and this is transfer related because I've never been so underwhelmed about the start to the season not not ever not ever I just can't remember the year there has been years where I've gone oh my god this is massively underwhelming but the fact that pre-season starts on Saturday and we've got a game and I'm sort of looking at that game and I'm going we have the tech to get food delivered in 15 minutes, but we all have horror stories about buying tickets. The GameTime app gives fans the advantage. Get amazing tickets in just a few taps. Fees are included, so what you see is what you pay. And the GameTime guarantee means authentic tickets at the best price every time.

20:42Take the guesswork out of buying tickets to concerts, sports, comedy, and more with GameTime. Download the GameTime app and create an account for$20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Unless he's going to use people like Lacey and Gabriel, what am I getting excited about? You know, if Mbomo scores a hat-trick, great. If Xerxes scores a couple of goals, great. If Mason Mount plays a worldie, great. But what does that actually do? Because I've seen them play in real life, not in meaningless pre-season games. So I can't fall for pre-season Pirlo. you know i need embermo to have a better season next season than he did in the last four months of the season and if xerxi and mount perform well in pre-season i still don't trust them in the real games unless they start performing so i can't get excited about any of that i can't get excited about luke shaw if he suddenly starts playing well at left back because i don't believe he'll do it in real life um so apart from the youngsters there's nothing really to go oh my god i'm excited about pre-season i mean i don't know whether santos will be available it'd be interesting to have a look at him of course but there's a lack of signings there's a lack of sales um yeah it's you know i'm not saying it can't get better it has to get better but for a pre-season a lot of our players are still at the world cup as well so mainu bruno rashford etc so there's not a lot in this pre-season to be going oh i can't wait i mean i'll watch the games you know it's united i don't miss pre-season games we always cover them but it's not it doesn't rank highly is the most exciting i mean i think about that 10 hog pre-season uh in australia um you know that was exciting i think about marino's pre-season that was exciting i mean look there's another one in here don't watch it then oh okay i've just got to stop reading them as i said we're starting to get infiltrated by these i'm just going to call them glazer bots because i just can't understand how you could be pro anything at the moment um i think you're a fucking moron mate to be honest But of course I'm going to watch it.

22:46The point is how excited you are about it, you absolute imbecile. That was the point. How excited are you about Man United's preseason? It wasn't I'm not going to watch it. It was about how excited you are about it. And I was actually halfway through explaining in comparison to other preseasons that I've been excited about, like Van Gaals, like Mourinho's, like Ten Haag's, even last year with Amrims. If you'd allowed me to continue, the concerning thing is the exciting ones I was talking about was Ten Hag's first, Van Haal's first, Jose's first, Amarim's first summer transfer window, which was last year.

23:29Even Oli's first after he'd been interim was quite exciting. This is Michael Carrick's first summer transfer window. This is Michael Carrick's first preseason. It's disgusting what they've given him so far. I mean, this is almost like the work experience guy getting the job and going, we'll give you the job, but we're not giving you anything. You need to thank us. For a new manager pre-season transfer window, this is abysmal. they're lucky they've given it to a guy who's like inexperienced and probably over the moon he's been given the job because can you imagine serving this up for Tuchel or Iriola or Nagelsmann or any other manager that people wanted to get the job this is a this is a shambles of a transfer window for a new manager and that's what Michael Carrick is I know he was an interim but this is his first summer transfer window this is his first pre-season and it's disgusting what they've they've served up for him so far.

24:32I'm not saying he's not on board with it and I'm not saying he's not grateful, but one transfer, no sales and crack on with pre-season. I mean, Michael Carrick can smile as much as he likes, but if he ended the season last year going, I'm happy with this squad, he's a liar. And he's walking back into pre-season with that and going, okay, I've got lots of ideas, but where are the players I need to implement the ideas? or do you want me to just do what I'm doing again? So look, there is still time. There's seven weeks to go. I'm sure we're going to see some players coming in and it's not unlike United to not be ready for pre-season.

25:09But yeah, it's a bit of an underwhelming one at the moment. And I think as well, in defence of the manager, for a first summer transfer window, it's been shit. And I don't know why it's acceptable because if this had been Tuchel or any other new manager, I guarantee they would have had signings by now. So I don't know why Michael Carrick's being treated like this. I think it's really poor how they've supported him so far. And they wouldn't have done this if it had been a manager that they'd paid a lot of money for. So I don't know why they're delivering it up at the moment like this. Let me talk about Rashford.

25:47There's a little bit about Rashford to bring to you. Who had the update on Rashford? Let me just get it for you. Oh, Adam Wharton, first of all. I don't know how true this is. there's a little bit floating around about Adam Wharton this morning. And I say floating around, it could be a shit in a toilet that needs flushing. But apparently there is interest from Manchester United around Adam Wharton and they might move in for him. What I would say about Adam Wharton is that United made a very big deal in April of briefing journalists to say that Wharton wasn't on the list anymore. And I think the reason they did that is if you go back through last season and we had that nine months of we're going to rebuild the midfield.

26:29In fact, if you remember correctly, I think when the season, when the summer transfer window closed last year in early September, the briefing went out that United didn't get Belaber, but next summer they're going to rebuild the midfield. So they've spent nine months telling us that they're going to rebuild this midfield. And through that nine months, it was consistently Anderson, Wharton, and I can't remember who the other player was. It might have been Belaber, to be fair, but there was three players that they briefed about consistently. When we got to April, there was a lot of brief from a lot of journalists.

27:08I think Simon Stone might be one, maybe James Duker, maybe Athletic. I think the Athletic definitely were one. Basically, all together, we got a collection of articles. You might remember them that said Wharton's no longer under consideration because they think he's too similar to Maynou. Remember that? So United definitely sort of went from being interested in Wharton to basically putting it out there that they weren't interested in him. And the story was that he was too similar to Maynou, which is bollocks, really. But, you know, that was the story. So I'd be very surprised if we did go back in for Wharton because we sort of said we were interested and then sort of briefed that we weren't.

27:47Now, that might have been because they thought he was going to sign for somebody else or it might have been because he's too expensive. So I'd be surprised if we went back in for Wharton because we sort of did a lot of noise about not being in for him. Having said that, where we were in April isn't where we are in July in the sense that the targets we were going for in April, as opposed to Wharton, would have been Tonali, Anderson, Fernandes, maybe Chumini. All those people, as we know, are now at other clubs or have signed new deals. So maybe Wharton does come back into the equation. The only thing I would say about Wharton is whether you like him or not, no one else is actually moving on him at the moment.

28:31and he'd probably be quite an expensive signing to make as well. And also, I think it would take a few weeks. And also, as Tom says, nobody's probably going to get him for under 90 million. I think Crystal Palace would instantly say, if Mateus Fernandes is going for 85 million, we want 85 million. And I think that's the end of the story about Wharton. And it could have been a lot quicker. But I think that you're going to struggle to get Adam Wharton for less than 80 million pounds. and I don't think Man United are going to want to do that, to be completely honest. Let me talk about Rashford then.

29:06There's a little bit coming out about Rashford this morning. Oh, just on Kone as well. Manchester Evening News are saying that Sekou Kone has been sent back to Lausanne to spend pre-season with the Swiss club this summer. So Kone was on loan at Lausanne last summer. He's now back there this summer. Another loan move has not been confirmed yet, but it's highly likely he will re-sign on a season-long loan. I mean I presume this kid isn't very good because he went on loan last year they hardly picked him it wasn't a very good loan and we're sending him back there again this is a Swiss league and it's owned by Ineos so I mean answers on a postcard to the logic of this this is a mental this is a player that we signed a couple of years ago that was going to be the next you know kante or rodry or whatever um had a crap loan at lausanne and we're sending him back there um surely if he's half decent he's on loan to a championship club in england not an average team in the swiss league i don't i don't get that at all but apparently that's going to happen there um in relation to rashford the update is from romano and he said this after England's return from the World Cup Marcus Rashford will hold direct conversations with Michael Carrick Rashford has already confirmed his availability to start pre-season with Manchester United confirming earlier reports while he will join the club for pre-season any incoming transfer proposals will be considered by both Rashford and United excuse me for the yawn so I mean look I think that will on Kone and Kamavinga by the way 70 % of you would go for Kone over Kamavinga.

30:58Thank you very much for that. I do want to, the reason I tell you that is I do just want to knock another interactive poll in for you. Should Rashford be back next season?

31:13Yes or no, get in the chat. So by the sounds of it, Rashford will have a holiday after the World Cup. I think that's three weeks. obviously England are guaranteed to be playing at the weekend whether they lose to Argentina on Wednesday or not because it's a third place game so the holiday starts from a week today I suppose the 20th which is therefore three weeks isn't it so you're looking at being back in training around about the 11th of August which I think is the week before the season starts let me just double check that one maybe it's two weeks actually

31:5422nd of August we start so yeah you come back on about the 11th of August and you'd have about a week and a half before the start of the season okay so by the time Rashford comes back to Manchester United to actually turn up smiling with his boots under his arm and train with his teammates you're going to be about three weeks away from the end of the window um

32:22it's a it's a weird one uh you know it's a weird one and and we haven't spoken about it for a bit um if rashford stays we won't buy a winger we probably won't buy a forward is that a good thing is that a bad thing if rashford stays he probably starts on the bench on 325 grand a week is that a good thing is that a bad thing um if rashford stays he's staying because there's nowhere else to go is that a good thing or a bad thing if rashford stays it's because man united can't sell him is that a good thing is that a bad thing so there's four things there to sort of go good or bad overarchingly i would say that this is a convenience um there's nowhere for rashford to go there's nowhere for united to sell him so they've got to make the best of a bad situation.

33:08I think it's a very hard sell for both sides to repackage this as a positive. When a year ago, he was part of the bomb squad and we were removing a big wage. And, you know, it's hard to go to Omar Barada and Jason Wilcox, who were getting pats on the back for removing him a year ago, and then go, oh, pat on the back for bringing him back. There's a hypocrisy to that. You celebrated removing his wages. You put him in the bomb squad. And now you're saying, oh, the real quiz is we want him back on 325 grand a week. As Anthony says, it's a marriage of inconvenience. That's exactly what it is. It was a marriage that needed to break up and now they're getting back together again because they can't find anything else and maybe they can't afford to live separately.

33:52So they're going to live under the same roof. It is a marriage of inconvenience. It's a very, very good comment, Anthony. there's two things that happen here one he comes back it's all smiley and then he goes like Jadon Sancho did when he'd fallen out with Ten Hag but then he came back for pre-season Ten Hag said positive things Sancho smiled and then he left the other alternative is that Michael Carrick does genuinely want him back and is naive I suppose enough to think that's a good idea and what I mean by naive is it's a big risk it's a big risk to defy half your fan base and your club and the player and say your best place is here because let's be clear Marcus Rashford himself said he needed a new challenge and has been better because of the new challenge Man United tried to get him out because of his wage and half the fan base don't want him back so Michael Carrick's a very brave person to go against those three things and he could integrate him back into the team.

34:59The problem with integrating him back into the team is, and we've seen it with England, is that he's still a player that on his day is really good but can have a day where he's ineffective. And the trouble is, if you bring him back to Man United and he comes off the bench and he's ineffective, where's the patience from the fan base to go, let's give him time? If you start him in a game and he scores two goals, everyone will cheer and say, this is great. But two weeks later, if he has a bad game on the wing and he has to get subbed off because it doesn't work, people will go, oh, here we go. He's going to be on trial all the time.

35:34One good game, everyone will go, he's great. One bad game and everyone will go, oh, here we go. This is the problem. So that's a horrible situation to be in. He's going to be judged every game. He will never get any leeway because it's a psychological thing, isn't it? It's the way the world works. And the media will be the same as well. He won't get the patience that he maybe got when he was 21 because he's now 29 and he's on a big wage and he's left and he's come back and people will be like, yeah. So I just think it's a it's an absolute mess, to be honest. And it's also a load of noise you don't want in a season where really the problem is the midfield, not the wing.

36:17So I really don't know how it's going to end up. if you can give me Marcus Rashford that gives us 20 Premier League goals a season I don't think anyone's going to turn their nose down at that but if you give me Marcus Rashford that's going to be inconsistent and you know it's going to be a distraction because the media are going to be talking about it all the time I don't think that's good for anybody so yeah I mean United have got to solve it haven't they the problem is I think it's I think it's very easy to say is this going to come back do a bit of pre-season train maybe be on the bench for the first few games and then he's going to get a loan deal at the end on transfer deadline day that's probably best for everybody but where's that loan deal going to be where's that going to be and look as Caden says what about the number 10 jersey I think I don't think that's a massive issue really um I'd be very that's only an issue for Rashford and I don't think that'll bother Rashford that much I don't think he's going to come back and demand the number 10 I don't think you'll care about that i might be wrong um but i can't see who's going to come in and sign him or or give him a loan deal i can't see who's going to do that um um anthony again with the good comments is what about a loan to turkey they can afford him in turkey and they take him in turkey but does he want to go there i think i think he'd be i think wherever he goes it's got to be out to the outside of the Premier League they've got to cover up the wages and it's got to be a Champions League club and I think if you hit all those things you've maybe got a chance Emily says if you're gonna bring back Rashford it better go well worse than that many of the factors that cause the problem are still there with heightened pressure it would be a symptom of incompetence well also as well Emily he's 29 isn't he I can't remember how old he is now I always get surprised by his age because I think he's 26 but he's not um you've also got a factor in he's no he's not 29 yet he's 28 he's 29 in October so he's 29 in October he's a his whole game is explosive pace how long is that gonna last and when he loses that is he the sort of player that's gonna still be a really impactive player without his pace So it's not like he can come back and definitely give you those levels he gave us in our early 20s either.

38:36And, you know, it doesn't matter whether you're Marcus Rashford or Mbermo. If you're not performing well, you'll get scrutinized anyway. If Rashford stays, Ineos will treat it like a new signing, the return of the local hero. If he's moved on, Ineos will take the plaudits for being ruthless. Good PR for those clowns either way, says Elliot. Amit says, how many more midfielders do you reckon we'll sign now? I think we'll get two. I think we've got to get two. We will get two. I don't know who they'll be. I think from this point, I'd love it to be Kone and Enmica, but maybe it'll be Kone and Scott.

39:18Maybe it would be neither of them.

39:23Giovanni says, I've checked his price. It's 70 million euros for Wharton. It's definitely not. It's definitely not 70 million euros. It'd be 90 million euros. Kone and Kamavinga is still not good enough to challenge for the league in 2028. Preseason starts this week and we have one midfielder in. It's a joke of a club, says Craig. Mate, I don't think anybody, I don't think any Man United fan with a brain cell would be talking about winning the league in 2028, which is the season after this season, if Omar Barada hadn't mentioned it. And that's the hilarity of mentioning it. I genuinely do not think any United fan would be demanding the league in 2028.

40:03It's only because Omar Barada mentioned it. Joey says, Manchester Evening News, Edison Deal News. We've literally mentioned it twice, Joey, but for the hat trick, the Manchester Evening News put an article out about an hour ago saying that Man United are saying that the Edison Deal isn't off. What that means, I don't know. I think it is off. But Why Man United are saying it's not off I don't know It's A bit of a Strange one

40:42Manchester United will seek to renegotiate The deal they've agreed with Atalanta To get Edison signings over the line Despite reports that the deal has collapsed United remain open to signing the 27 year old But the deal has become complex

41:04well look 71 % of you wouldn't bring Rashford back 29 % of you would let's run another poll this morning look we I brought you this this morning anyway I told you this this morning that it was in the Manchester evening news that United are saying the deal's not off so the fact that it's developing into United want to renegotiate the deal uh would you be happy signing Edison yes or no um look I I said this on Saturday maybe you weren't watching on Saturday what they're basically saying is despite reports that the deal has collapsed United remain open to signing him but the deal has become complex after medical test rates concerned about a knee injury um you know they would seek to renegotiate the deal.

41:48Let me just be very honest, right? You could lose your shit over this. And some people in the chat are, right? If there is an issue in the medical and you've agreed a deal for 40 million pounds and you say to Atalanta, there's an issue in the medical. We don't want to pay 40. We'll give you 25. And Atalanta say, yeah, okay, we'll take 25. And you're not going to do the deal. They're morons. they're morons because that doesn't take away the risk the medical will say there's a problem with his knee that could potentially cause you an issue in one year or two years and it could be such a big issue that he misses half a season getting the price down by 15 million pounds doesn't stop the risk in a year or two does it so you just walk away from the deal so we'd be idiots to just still do the deal at a reduced price because the risk is still there.

42:42You're not reducing the risk, you're just reducing the price. That's illogical to me. You go and get a player that doesn't have that risk. However, I will defend the club here. Remember what we spoke about on Friday, that United's way out of this isn't easy. They can't put a statement out saying we're not doing the deal because of his knee. They can't do that. And they can't put a statement out saying we've changed our mind. We want somebody else because they look incompetent spending two months going after Edison. What you can do is say, we're still open to doing a deal if they renegotiate the deal.

43:18Now, you've got no intention of renegotiating the deal, but if you, from a PR point of view, game set and match. And I think that's what United are doing. They're out. The deal is off. that you can't put it out there that the deal is off because of his knee because you could get sued and you're also fucking up on atalanta and ebberson so you speak to atalanta and you go look we're not throwing you under the bus we've got a good relationship with you and we want to work with you in the future we just don't want to do this deal because we we're a little bit worried and you're right it might be fine but on the other hand it might not be fine and if we come back to you in two years and say well can we have our money back because there's a problem with his knee you're to tell us to fuck off quite rightly.

44:01So what we're going to do is say, we're still open to doing a deal, but on different terms. Now, obviously you're not going to give us those terms and we're not going to offer you those terms, but it just calms it for everybody. So the deal is off, but we are going to put it out there that we would be interested in doing a deal at a reduced price, which we'll never offer. And I think that's what we're doing because it just gets everybody out of a situation where you don't actually say he's got you know we're not doing it because of a knee so i i think that that's what this is all about i don't think it means we're going to do a deal i don't think it means we're going to do a reduced deal i think it's just a way out to go we'd be open to doing a deal if the price was reduced or whatever but you never offer that price and then everybody leaves separately and does their own thing and And then later on in the window, Atalanta might sell him for 25 million to somebody else or he might leave on a three in a year's time.

44:59But we won't go back in. We'd be stupid to go back in. And I think this is the way out, isn't it, where you go, well, we're still open to doing it at a reduced price. So I think that's logically what I think is happening here. It's a way out for everybody, isn't it? there's a difference sorry Emily Derry says there is a big difference between Romano or Ornstein saying the deal is off than the club saying that but apparently Atalanta are going to offer Edison a new contract yeah I've heard that as well Nathan says they need to walk from Edison the last thing we need is another Mason Mount also signing here now makes us look desperate and shows we have no real alternative and pull in the market exactly Nathan and as we know you know what's the point in what would the point in and this is why I believe our explanation there is the real explanation what would the point be in saving yourself 10 million to sign Edison knowing what you know when you could just buy Kone or Gael Gomez for 40 and they don't have that issue so it's not like it's the last day of the transfer market and it's this or nothing there are there are good alternatives for the same price.

46:07Yeah. Edison is a good player, good said about the injury, but never take that risk, says Forza. Who is your most improved Premier League team, says Tom. It's not something I've given any thought to on a morning show on the United stand, mate, but from last season, I would say Brentford and Bournemouth and Sunderland did a lot better than I thought they were going to do. Jid said it took us five to six weeks to get Inbermo over the line after he said he only wanted us, with only seven weeks left to sign at least four more. It's a crazy thought. Yeah, I mean, look, I do agree with you. I think when you look at what's left in the window, sorry, the time that's left in the window and you look at statistics on how long it takes for us to do a deal, I definitely would agree with you that, you know, you could panic.

46:57and we're not even in advance talks with anybody. So you've got to do quick deals. Now Santos, on the one hand, people think Santos was quick, but technically it wasn't. You know, we had spoken to Santos' agent numerous times over the last few months. It just wasn't a deal that caught the imagination of the fan base or the journalists. So it wasn't like we picked up the phone on Monday and we signed him on Wednesday, we had had previous conversations. So, look, we are in talks with Kone. We may well be in talks with Jao Gomez. I don't think we're in talks with Alex Scott yet. So even if that starts, that could take a while.

47:42And, yeah, you are right. It did take seven weeks to get Mbuemo done. So even if we started talking to Scott today, we might not get that done until the end of August. So there is certainly, look, this is what I mean. It's a pathetic transfer window so far. You can say it's pathetic so far, and it is. Doesn't mean it will be pathetic by the end of the window, but so far it's one of the worst transfer windows we've ever had. And we've left ourselves in a position where there's probably four or five signings needed in seven weeks. We can't work on more than one deal at a time traditionally. And we do take about six weeks to do each deal traditionally.

48:23So a pathetic transfer window needs to turn into a incredible transfer window in the sense of we need to change who we are. We need to be able to work on multiple deals quickly to rescue this window. Now, it depends whether you want to believe we're going to do that or not. I believe we have to do that. But some people would say it's impossible for us to do that. We can't do that. But look, the positive half full people, the glinius in us, will scream and shout that, you know, everything's fine. But even they would have to admit that we're running out of time. And even at the pace we normally work at, we haven't got enough time.

49:14But they have to deliver. They have to deliver. And look, I almost feel like we need to get something on the shelf. Don't blame Carrick and remind ourselves throughout the season of that. I almost want to put a banner up or a poster up or something. Don't blame Carrick because I didn't want Carrick. But when he got the job, I said I'd back him. And whether it's Carrick or it's Ancelotti, nobody, it doesn't matter whether you want Carrick or not. Nobody can deny that this transfer window is pathetic. For a new manager. It's pathetic. No manager expects this. I mean, is Iriola going to get one signing at Liverpool?

49:57Is Xabi Alonso going to get one signing at Chelsea? Like, this is his first transfer window. And it's abysmal so far. So, look, they've got a lot of work to do. Keep Rashford till January. Sell him then, says Kiel. The interesting thing about Rashford as well that I didn't tell you is he's got two years left on his contract so we technically will need to give him a new contract if we want to keep him because if we just bring him back and use him this year next summer he's got one year left on his deal so if you mark this rashford next summer you can run your contract down and make a lot of money the year after or you know i'd need to off for something else.

50:44We've got an Ornstein Bomber. Let's have a look.

50:50Ornstein Bomber. Let's go.

50:55What the hell? What the hell? This is huge. This is massive. This is absolutely massive. I'm going to stop the video and start another one. This is amazing news. This is a video in itself. I am not covering this at the end of this video. This is a breaking news video, if ever I've seen one. So I'm going to react to this on a new video. I love it. I love it. This is great. Right. Right. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

51:34This. Right. All I'm going to say is David Ornstein has dropped a tweet and I'm going to react to it on a new video, yeah? But check my tweets last night. I got told this. I can't believe how good I'm going to look. I got told this by the source who's talking to me about the Kone thing. I got told this last night. This source I've got is fucking amazing, right? They told me last night. I can't really... I'm not allowed to put it out there in an obvious way. But Tillemans is a player that United are looking at, right? I got told this last night. Look at what I tweeted last night before the 8 o 'clock show.

52:23Because people are going, oh, bollock, she didn't know about it, right? Look at what I tweeted last night about Tillemans before the 8 o 'clock show last night. I think I tweeted something like, what's Tilleman's release clause? Because that's all I was allowed to put out. I couldn't put anything about Man United being in talks. I couldn't put anything about anything like that. So I just put out, what's Tilleman's release clause, right? Look at that last night, my tweet. Why would I do that if I didn't know something? I said, what is Tilleman's release clause? And people were like, what are you mad about?

53:02Villa fans are going, shut up, this, that and the other. Yeah, I got told this last night. Does Tillemans have a release clause is what I put out there. Wow, I like Tillemans. I'm getting goosebumps. I like Tillemans. This is exciting. Right, we'll end this video. Smash the like on the video. We'll react to David Ornstein's tweet in about 60 seconds. I'll see you over there. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. We're back. I'm Mark Goldbridge. Big, massive, huge Manchester United transfer news. We were just talking about the most pathetic Man United transfer window in ages. We were just talking about how it's abysmal what Michael Carrick has been delivered.

53:40We were also talking about this obsession with not replacing Casemiro with experience. And we were also talking about trying to find a positive every day around United because it's so negative. and then we go and get a massive out of the blue David Ornstein bomber that United are in talks with Uri Tillemans. And I go, call me Batman. Because you know what? If there's positivity, I will jump right to the front of the queue. The negativity around this football club is because we are fed bullshit by the club. This deal, to me, would get me very, very excited. I don't care the fact that he's 29. You know, in fact, I love the fact that he's 29.

54:22because it means we're abandoning our own stupid parameters about not buying people over 26. We were talking about Bruno Gomeres and how I think he'd be perfect for Man United. I feel that Yuri Tillemans is in the same category. I mean, I really do. And look, look, let's give credit to David Ornstein for obviously chucking this out there. I mean, a lot of people are saying fair play to me for tweeting it last night. That's just a very good source. That's just a brilliant source. And we'll talk about that in a minute. But in relation to what David Ornstein's saying, because that's what we're reacting to.

54:55This is Man United are in advanced talks to sign Yuri Tillemans from Aston Villa. All parties in contact as Man United tried to finalise the 29-year-old midfielder who was keen on the move. Edison deal is off for now. Man United may look to revisit this later in the summer. I mean, look, I don't want to revisit Edison. I don't think Tillemans, Santos, Edison and Manu is as good as it could be. But Yuri Tillemans to Manchester United, in my opinion, changes the whole summer. Yeah, it's desperate. It's not what we were looking at. We wanted Anderson. We wanted Mateus Fernandes. We wanted Chiamini.

55:31We wanted Tonali. And Tillemans is not better than any of those, realistically. Maybe you could argue Anderson, but Anderson's 23. Tonali's better than Tillemans. Chiamini's better than Tillemans and I'd argue maybe Bruno Gomez is slightly but look the desperation panic angle I understand it but you've also got to make the best of a bad situation and what excites me about this is the fact that he is 29 and the fact that he is experienced he's been brilliant I mean My closest Premier League club is probably Coventry now, but it used to be Villa. I know a lot of Villa fans. I do watch Villa a lot.

56:20And I think it's a really exciting signing because I think he's a very, very good player who could come into the team and give us a little bit of experience and composure to get back into the Champions League. I genuinely think there is jeopardy on United being in the top five next season with the way the midfield is shaping up. And I think with Maynou and Santos, you bring Tillemans in. I think experience is so important. And look, people are saying, what are you getting excited about this for, bro? I am genuinely getting excited about this because I see a massive lack of experience in the midfield.

56:58And yeah, Bruno's experienced and we have got experienced centre-backs, whether it be De Ligt, Martinez or Maguire. but we've got nothing in the midfield to bridge that experience gap and someone like Uri Tillemans would give us some experience. Now, I'm not jumping and shouting around like I would do if we were signing Tonali and I'm sure a lot of other clubs will laugh at us for doing this deal but it's the experience angle that does it for me and he's a good player. So look, I do like the signing and I do like the fact that it's not Edison at the moment and I do like the fact that it's Shiri Tillemans and there is a lot of people in the chat saying that apparently he's got a release clause of 35 million pounds according to Ben Jacobs I was going to say I don't know the price I mean I'll be clear I didn't realise he was 29 I did before we went live I didn't realise he was 29 I thought he was about 26 for some reason he's obviously got a good skin care regime and drinks plenty of water I mean I thought he was about 26 doesn't bother me that he's 29 but I think if he's the Edison replacement at 35 million pounds I think that's good and people will say well he's 29 but you get three or four years out of him and also what's the point in having a 21 year old Maynou and a 22 year old Santos and buying another 21 year old like Tillemans naturally in three years time is probably working towards the end of his career as Santos and Mainu enter their prime.

58:34So you have to have a balance. Anybody who's moaning about being 29, if you've got four midfielders, it's about the balance on the scales, isn't it? You want to balance the scales. So yeah, two kids and an experienced player brings that balance back. The next midfielder for me should still be Kone, he's 25, and then you've got a perfect balance of age. For me, you've got two lands in their early 20s, you've got a 29-year-old, you've got a mid-20s player, and the progression would be you move up like that, Tillemans drops off and another one comes back on. So I like it. I like the deal. I want to be very, very clear.

59:10This is not me being excited in March, April and May. No, I'd be like, what the fuck? But in July, the middle of July, where this window is pathetic and we've messed up all over the place, you've got a deal with the middle of July and go, what's the best we can get right now? this is the best we can get right now. I'm not bloody cheering Verrada and Ineos and Wilcox and saying, well done. I'm saying in this situation, you are trying to get us out of it, but you put us in this situation in the first place. So look, I'm not cheering and screaming and going, this is an amazing, I'm pretty sure there'll be Liverpool and Arsenal fans laughing at us going, look at that, you know, look at what they're doing.

59:50But we have to do something to try and get ourselves out of this mess. And I think a player like that does help because he brings experience to the team. Yeah, so look, Tillemans-Manchester United looks like it's advancing very, very much so because David Ornstein has put it out there that we're in advanced talks with it. So it could get very, very interesting for Manchester United over the next few hours, certainly, because that has broken out from David Ornstein

1:00:32and about£35 million apparently. Let me just have a quick look. Let me have a quick look. How did you know about it? Well, look, I put a tweet out last night saying what is the release clause for Yuri Tillemans because, and you can check it on my Twitter, and I'm not taking credit for it. We've got a very good source who was helping us around Chumini and Kone and they basically said to me last night look you can't put it out there bluntly on the eight o 'clock show and I don't think I mentioned it on the eight o 'clock show but United Tillemans might be one to watch so I said well can I put the tweet out what's his release clause because that could mean anything and they were okay about it so it's credit to David Ornstein it wasn't him who told me but yeah I knew at about seven o 'clock last night that United might make a move on Tillemans and that's why I put out the tweet what's the release clause on Eury Tillemans.

1:01:26But I didn't expect it to be advanced talks with Eury Tillemans. I expected it to be, at some point, United are interested in Eury Tillemans. So it was obviously more advanced than even I thought last night. But yeah, very, very good information. And I've just had Abila, mate, message me. Let's see.

1:01:47Oh, crying emoji. He says, no way are you getting Tillemans. And then there are six crying emojis from a Villa fan. And he's typing again now. Let's see. I said, he's a good player, question mark. And he says, he's been great for us. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be very happy.

1:02:07Yeah. Of course, they've just bought Manzambi. So Villa always have to sell, though. And I'm sure most of you know this. Villa always have to sell. it's a ridiculous situation where Emery and Villa do a great job every year but they have to sell one of their good players every year Romano says Tillemans is expected to join Man United

1:02:33Man United advanced talks Ben Jacobs advanced talks to sign Aston Villa midfielder Yuri Tillemans Tillemans Villa contract contains a 35 million release clause all parties expect the deal to happen now that Tillemans World Cup is over. There we go. I mean, look, maybe, look, to offer a slight negative, maybe United will package it up that they were working on this all along. I doubt it. I doubt it. I mean, I've not heard anybody mention the Tillemans name until last night. So I think what's happened is the Edison deal has fallen through and United have gone, right, let's move. And look, that might be...

1:03:20That might be...

1:03:27The... Sorry, someone just said it's a here we go already.

1:03:34I don't think it's here we go yet. I've not had a here we go yet. That might be the reservation That was there about Kone You know remember I said talks with Kone Maybe the reservation was there Where is the here we go Because I haven't got it on I haven't got it on X Sorry I'm reacting to stuff here Has he posted it on Instagram Or has he posted it on X

1:04:13sorry i i've got x open and he hasn't done it on x

1:04:25it's on instagram let me go very quick very very quick deal well are you happy with tillimans i I need to run the poll here.

1:04:35Are you happy with this event?

1:04:45Right, I've just been sent an image. Yeah, here we go. Here we go. Fabrizio Romano, Man United pay 41 million euros for Yuri Tillemans. So, well, there we go. Very, very quick. Are you happy with the signing of Uri Tillemans? Look, a lot of people say you're so negative, right? You're so negative. And I am very negative about Man United because I think we're a shower of shit. We haven't won the league for 13 years. This has been a pathetic transfer window. Every target we've gone for, we've missed out on to other clubs. I think the negativity is valid And a lot of people are very fed up However If there is something to be positive about I'll elbow my way to the front And whilst some people in the chat Seem to be thinking this is embarrassing Or underwhelmed Personally I think this is a good signing I wasn't massively excited About Santos because he's a kid Who's got lots of potential Who's basically sat on Chelsea's bench And will need developing Santos might be a better signing than Tillemans to some of you but Tillemans to me is a way better signing than Santos because Santos is potential that we're going to have to develop whereas Tillemans, this is what I was talking about last week about Santos Tillemans comes straight into the team so he goes straight into the team he starts first game of the season you're not looking at him thinking well we've got to be patient you're not looking at him going in two years he'll be better than he is now I look at Tillemans and go he delivers today right now that's what Tillemans does so I like this signing and he's experienced we do need experience I'm aware of the here we go now I think we're all aware of the here we go now just people in the chat are going it's here we go, it's here we go I know if you look at the title of the show Tillemans signs for United I've changed it so it's not talks it's here we go Tillemans Tillemans signs for Man United so we've got that Villa got him for free I think they got him for free from Leicester we looked at him when he was at Leicester we looked at Tillemans when he was at Leicester but he had a bad season his final season and we were looking at him about a year before and he had a bad season and it went quiet and then Villa took him and he sort of rediscovered himself so we're going to pay 35 million pounds for him um bruno gamerez probably is better but we're not getting bruno gamerez he's going to arsenal um tonali is better but he's signed for spurs anderson is better but he's gone to man city chumini is better but he's staying at real madrid um this to me if you look at that shelf you know the marquee signing experience was key and Tielemans gives us that experience.

1:07:54He's a good player. He's a good player. Like he's a very good player for Villa. World Cup, whatever. But he did play well for Belgium in the World Cup. Very, very good player. Gives us experience. Look, does it make the world of football shake and shiver? Probably not. Does it improve our midfield? Yes. Is he experienced? Yes. so look you lot are starting to make me worry about this deal now but I think it's a good signing for the price I think it's brilliant that we've broken our own parameter of signing an over 26 year old absolutely brilliant you know it shows we can do that and I think that's a positive as well Casemiro is ridiculously experienced we brought another player in this experienced obviously not as experienced as Casemiro but he is experienced the price is good it's the second midfielder I think it works well with Santos now that you've got an inexperienced player and an experienced player so I like it, I do like it and if the third midfielder could be somebody like Alex Scott then that to me would make a reasonably good midfield for Man United with Santos, Tillemans and Alex Scott but there's still a lot of work to do there, but I like it.

1:09:15I like it. Let me get into some of your comments. 77 % of you are happy with this deal. Is he physically weak, Mark? Look, I can't sit here and say that he's going to be a success. What I'm saying is he isn't 22. He isn't a bench player. He's one of Villa's best players and he is a very experienced player. what does it do for the Kone deal well I haven't checked my phone at all I don't know I don't know whether it was Tillemans or Kone and then we'll move on to somebody else I don't know whether Kone can still happen I'll have to let you know

1:10:01I can't believe this I really can't believe this

1:10:09i should redo these out um i will ask about kone i very much doubt i'll get an answer on show but

1:10:43Basically yesterday at 3.35 I got this They're saying United want Tillemans from Villa We need a 6 He's not really a 6 We can't talk about Tillemans tonight That's what I got That was yesterday that's why I put the tweet out saying what's his release clause so I mean I don't know look honestly the person I talk to doesn't just say things for the hell of it they also you know talk about they want to know what's good for Manchester United. Joshua says is Tillemans tier 1 or tier 2 for Man United?

1:11:40Sorry, I just heard something there I would hope, and it's a good question I would hope that Tillemans is the Edison replacement I would hope that Santos is tier 3 And Tillemans is tier 2 And we're still going to buy a tier 1 That's what I would hope And it sort of works it could be that Tillemans is tier three and Santos is tier two it doesn't really matter as long as they're three and two and there's a number one to come I think that's okay um I mean there's people in the chat saying Man United's a retirement home I I do sometimes despair at the inability to make this fan base happy I'm somebody that's very critical of this football club and get called negative a lot but if there's something we do that I think's right I will say that's good and that's the way I think we should be you know there are certain people out there like Rio and stuff like that who just you know they'll smell shit and say it's perfume um there's people like myself and many of you who will go that shit but that's good and there's people who go that shit that shit that shit that shit um I think for Man United to progress we do need a fan base that calls the shit out but also says actually I don't mind that that's good and you know I could easily if I was exclusively negative be like some of you lot and go oh that's shit it's 29 it's cheap it's rubbish Villa have got the better deal but I genuinely believe it's a good deal I do I think it's a good deal for Manchester United and I think that he's a good player and I think he's experienced and I think he's better than what we've got and I think that when you are in that quest to finish in the top five again he's a player that's got Champions League experience is an international and is experienced in finishing in the top five.

1:13:31So I think it's a good signing for Man United and it's a cheap signing. And I guarantee his wage won't be 200K a week either. So it ticks all their boxes and it ticks my boxes as well. So I quite like it. And obviously 77 % of you like it as well. So I'm not against it. I'm not against it at all. It's a release clause that a lot of people didn't even know he had a release clause. Tillemans is due to have his medical tomorrow.

1:14:00the villa didn't want to sell him they offered him a new deal but little choice due to man the man united uh uh awareness of the the release cause um and yeah look i think i would agree with everybody as long as there's now going to be a marquee signing we can get out of this window with And, you know, weirdly, and I did say this in April, you know, in a way, we were all building these midfields, weren't we? Anderson, Mateus Fernandes, Gael Gomez, or Choumini, Alex Scott, and Tyler Adams. We're all building these midfields and nobody would have built a midfield of Tillemans and Santos and whoever else comes in.

1:14:48And obviously, you know, I'm not going to censor this. We are operating down the list. You know, Tillemans will be down the list and Santos would be down the list. But depending on who the third player is, it wouldn't be the worst construction to have Santos, Tillemans and Meecher. It wouldn't be the worst construction to have Santos, Tillemans and Alex Scott. It wouldn't. wouldn't be the best, but it wouldn't be the worst. So I do think who we go and get next is very, very important. And I would like to see us go and get a homegrown player. I would like to see us go and get an Adam Wharton or an Alex Scott.

1:15:26I would, but look, where we go next, we'll have to wait and see. But I think Tillemans does elevate. And for me, it's all about the balance. It's all about the balance. You know, a 29-year-old, a 22-year-old with Maynou, and then, you know, maybe a 25-year-old is perfect balance for me. So I'm happy with the Tillemans deal. I'm shocked. I'm not as shocked as many of you because I was told yesterday that keep an eye on Tillemans. I didn't expect it to happen this quick, though. I thought, hmm, interesting, but, you know. Mark, I was only taking the piss. It's Monday. All jokes aside, shout out James Whelan.

1:16:02He got me listening. Tillemans brings experiences. Aaron Blake. Thanks very much for your super chat, Aaron. Make sure you're subscribing to the channel, by the way. We are getting such good information this summer. Probably the best we've ever had. Incredible on Chumini, Kone and now Tillemans. It's, you know, I wish I could give the name of the person, but they know who they are. Incredible information. And at last, it feels like this transfer window is starting to move the way we deserve it to move. And the way Carrick deserves it to move as well. Would you be happy with Kimmich? No, we're not going to sign Kimmich, Jamie.

1:16:34Can you see another one coming in this week, says Kyle? I would suspect not I would think that the third midfielder We will take our time on Because there's no rush again now But Yeah

1:16:53Have you seen the top reply? I've just been sent this So Does Tillemans have a release clause? I put it out at 20 past 7 last night And there's a reply from a Villa fan ABFC Josh says He ain't leaving Villa, buddy I feel bad for them

1:17:24did you see what Zlatan said about Le Mans I don't think it was true mate can't please everyone he's good Kone next please says Dale I mean I'll find out about Kone it might be off with Kone now just make sure you subscribe I'll find out about Kone and we'll get that on the 2 o 'clock show I'll pass it on to Beth if I get it before 2 if not I'll get it through by 8 o 'clock I'll know very quickly if we're still in talks with Kone if we're not in talks with Kone that means we're probably going to move on to someone like Alex Scott or something like that it's rather concerning that we went for Edison and Santos who were more expensive when he had a 35 million release clause hopefully it's just become active says K look I don't think we were signing Tillemans if we got Edison I don't think a midfield of Tillemans, Edison and Santos would have been right.

1:18:11And I don't think it would have been balanced. And it's a great question.

1:18:18Yeah. So, yeah, I agree with you. I do not think we, I mean, look, would you rather have gone for Edison or Tillemans? I'd rather have gone for Tillemans. There's only a two year age difference as well because Edison's just turned 27. But we can unpick that in time. I definitely don't think we were going to go for Tillemans if Edison deal had happened. It looks like we've pivoted from Edison to Tillemans. And I agree. We should have gone for Tillemans over Edison. That's the second signing in a row that goes below the radar and got pushed through quickly. Are we seeing a pattern here for Ineos as Perez?

1:18:54In relation to Tillemans Perez, I would imagine he was on the list. Maybe option D, E, F. I'd imagine we knew about the release clause. I'd imagine we spoke about him, but had other people ahead of him. And I would imagine that when Edison fell through, we've gone, let's go. Hope you're well. Huge credit to you and your sources for the transfer news this summer, especially the Tillemans deal, proven quality and experience for the here and now, exactly what we need. Daniel, I'm just glad that this amazing community is getting A-star information. I mean, we occasionally do get it, but as I said, this summer has been very, very good.

1:19:32Solid squad player, experience and style, says Damien. 29 years old, injury prone, not needed at Villa, coming off a World Cup, so he'll be more tired. I mean, come on. Not needed at Villa. They bloody love him, I am. Injury prone. I mean, I'll double check that, but not needed at Villa. They wanted him to sign a new contract, mate. We've only got him because of a release clause. Villa fans are gutted. Injury record, ankle injury in January, kept him out for 60 days last injury was last season calf problem year before that calf injury i mean he hasn't got he hasn't got injury problems at all um no he had an ankle injury that was it um so no ornstein says villa didn't want to sell exactly robert uh suhin welcome to the members club thank you very much give us a tune on one of those guitars marks as sam i will at eight o 'clock He's not A signing, but surely for 35 million, that has to be a B plus, says Gazza.

1:20:34Great signing. Yes, he's 29, but his experience needs to bring in Alex Scott's or Kone. Love the show, says Mark. Is Tillemans tier one or two? I think we spoke about that, Joshua. Listen for the price. I don't think it's a bad signing at all, but this cannot be our marquee signing. I don't think it is, Perez. I think it's the Edison replacement. I think I would treat him as the Edison replacement. You can ask the question whether it should have been him instead of Edison, but I don't think he's the marquee signing. I really don't. ironically he did have a meniscus injury in 17 18 followed by a few minor injuries great player though says brayden 50 of signing failed do i hope he works out i like the player says jmr injury record with dunforza did you mark you did it again 35 million you were right says those sports news uh bounty hunters is how much blame on inios when there's no real world class players on the market if we get kelvin phillips we would stuck with him unlike city says bounty hunter like the signing of silliman's his premier league experience will help us a lot uh still enough we still need experienced midfielders, says Rassler.

1:21:30Tillemans makes sense next to Maynou if you want to play a double pivot with two number eights and Santos makes a little bit more sense now, says Emily Derry. Tillemans has a dodgy injury record as Camavinga and worse than Kone, says Aloui. Fair play, Mark. Can I get a shout out to... Yeah, I'm not reading that, Aaron. Do you worry about the height in our midfielders, Andy? Well, he's not the tallest. I would agree with that. He's not the tallest. How's everyone feeling? What do you guys think? I'm happy. I'm not ecstatic, but I'm happy. I'm happier than I was this morning. on the 8, 10 o 'clock show.

1:22:00Telemans has an average of 80 passes, says Cars. Where do we put him on the shelf? We've done that, very very. No other big club would sign him, says Lone Ranger. Our transfer window has been bad for us. He's a good signing, says Arshan. I like him, but he missed 23 games last season, says DLS. Negotiate the release calls, Villa are desperate, says Lee Dempsey. Do you think we would maintain interest in Scott? I do, Javier. Scott or Kone now, I'll find out. where did the age for glenios he's 29 says zero panic buy says phil no legs in the midfield says fly weren't we interested back when he was at leicester yeah we've covered that t-bomb uh 100 deal off edison according to romano weren't we interested on that one that was from sam man united has been blind on squad heights which is why we're struggling with set pieces every season says chin do you think we'll get another midfielder yes i do lewis inios getting the champers out at that price as john uh perfect and a low price and low wages as marlo i know many liverpool fans who wanted tillyman says elliot 35 million is decent nice bit of business as sam uh don't know who the third midfield is going to be adam we'll get working on that um and ryan collins uh if we get kone and tillyman's what rating is it says charlie i don't know whether i don't know whether kone is still going to be on i've got to go and do some work on that i'll find out because we might go for someone more Mikey now.

1:23:19We might go for Scott. Would you go for Scott or Cone now? I'd probably go for Scott really now, if I'm being honest. I think Tillemans maybe changes that. Look, I'm happy. Get in the comments. Let me know. We're back at two. I'll go and do some digging. I like this bit of business. Obviously, I wouldn't have liked it in March or April, but where we are in the window, I like this bit of business. We'll be back at two. Thanks for watching. Stay safe. I'll speak to you in a bit.

1:23:46Thank you.