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1:28I'll cover the story. If you want to believe that, the journalists themselves say they haven't got a very good phone book when it comes to sources. So, you know, ultimately, you know, I can only tell you what I can tell you. But who was it who put the tweet out on Saturday? I mean, look, people are saying, I love the Tillemans deal. It came from nowhere. Only because you don't want to acknowledge who put it out on Sunday night. Like, you know, you either you either you either believe it or you don't take it or leave it. It's no skin off our nose, but, you know, we have spoken to Kone. You know, simple as that.

2:02Also, a few other bits to talk about as well around United's transfer strategy and why we're probably looking at prospects. In short, Chelsea bought Santos for£10 million from wherever they bought him from three years ago and have just sold him for£48 million. That is 300%, 400 % profit. I think United want to be about that game as well. I think they really, really do. Also, Tillemans done. We should get official announcement today. It's a five-year contract for Tillemans. Is that wise? That takes him to 34. Do you need to offer a five-year contract? Is it a four plus one? Some people moaning about that this morning.

2:39I don't know whether it massively matters, but we can talk about that as well. So a few bits to get into on the show this morning and apparently Man United's midfield shortlist. I want to start off with this Tillemans story because obviously, not Tillemans, Chumini story, because obviously we've been very, very accurate on the Chumini story from the start. And we were the ones who said the deal was off a week before everybody else because we knew it was off. We were the ones who hinted he's going to sign a new contract at Madrid before anyone else, and he did. So it was interesting last night to be sent this after the 8 o 'clock show that Andy Mitton had said the deal is still on.

3:16I've listened to what Andy Mitton said, and what he said was that they could still sell him. Ciomini could still be sold by Real Madrid. That's what he said. He also said, to be fair, Ciomini's not the first player to benefit from Man United's interest in getting a new contract. And he also said that his contacts primarily sound like they're Spanish journalists and that Real Madrid want to buy big, so they've got to sell big. So look, I respect Andy Mitten. You know, that's absolutely fine. I'm sure those people he's spoken to in Spain is absolutely true. And I can sort of see a scenario. Personally, I don't think that means that Chimini is coming to Manchester United.

4:01Personally, I think that's, you know, a less than 20 percent chance of that happening. And personally, I think that's like saying, you know, Arsenal could sell as Declan Rice. You know, I don't think it's on. I don't. And I think it sort of steps into what I was talking about last night around there's a big update from David Ornstein about Boadi and Man City. So you can probably cross that deal off. Scott, as we know, is not for sale. So you can probably cross that deal off. man united may face a long wait on their next signing which is probably why you've got people out there doing compilation clips of belabor the problem is nobody wants belabor no club wants belabor most of our fan base doesn't want belabor and most players you can do at least a five minute best bits of a season people are struggling to compile all his good bits in 60 seconds so you know belabor talk is desperate because there's no but you know it looks like we're closing the door on a lot of deals.

5:01And in my opinion, it'd be a shockingly bad signing. And I think that, just quickly before I go back to Ciumini and Bawadi and Scott, if we sign Buleba, I think it makes it a bad win though. I think Santos, Tillemans and Buleba is a bad midfield three. I think Tillemans, Santos and Scott or Kone or someone like that makes it a better midfield three. So look, they'll stand and fall on this one because this is the marquee. this is the big signing. This is the player that's going to cost you somewhere between 60 and 80 million pounds. So this is the big midfielder, the last one. I think we might have to take our time on this.

5:38I think the fact that Cermini is being mentioned and Boadi is going to Man City shows that this last deal is going to be tough. I think this is where Man United are going to struggle because I think that they've got to make a big signing and it's got to be a significant signing. And this tends to be where we struggle because we've got to make a big signing here. It's got to be a significant signing. Santos is a prospect. Tillemans is experience. So you want that big one, really. Do I think Ciamini is a possibility? No, no. I mean, my information is very good around Ciamini. It's very close to that situation.

6:16And he wants to stay at Real Madrid. And Real Madrid want him to stay. And they have given him a very, very good contract. so for me to believe that Real Madrid would now sell him it would almost be counterproductive like I don't know how it would work because if you think about it yes I think Real Madrid might need to raise some money to buy somebody but if you were going to do that why would you give him a new contract? Because you make him very difficult to sell now Chumini is probably worth 60 to 70 million pounds without signing the contract and he's on 210 grand a week. So United, if Real Madrid want to sell him, United could have gone, there's 70 million pounds for him and there's 250 grand a week, yeah?

7:04If Real Madrid decide they want to sell him now, he's on a longer term contract, so the price probably goes to 80 and he's already on what, 300 grand a week? So we've got to give him that as well. So the deal becomes very difficult for everybody else. You price everybody else out because of the new contract. so I don't I I think this is I think this is thin I think this is really thin that you'd give a player a new contract and then sell him um I don't think this is possible I don't know you know this is sometimes what can happen people can be talking on a podcast a player can come up you can go I've heard that they might still sell him and suddenly it's like oh we're back in for Chumini I wouldn't go down that path.

7:44I think there's far better conversations to have about viable options for United. I wouldn't be going down that path. I think it's a silly path to go down. What I will concede is, and I have heard Andy Mitten say this, and he's absolutely correct, if Real Madrid had decided to sell Germini, he would have been happy to come to Manchester United. But he's happy at Real Madrid and they've signed a new contract. So look, I think it needs discussing because some people are talking about it being back on. I think in some ways, Andy Mitten's been misquoted and in other ways, this just won't happen and we need to move on.

8:21I think it'd be perfect for Man United, I really do, but I think we need to move on. The second thing, and I just want to talk about this before, Bwadi as well, is that somebody said that in the same podcast, something else was said by Karl Anker on Manu Kone. I don't have the phone book of Laurie Whitwell and Andy Mitten but from what I can tell and when I tried to check on Friday Manu Kone is not on Manchester United's shortlist well that's absolutely fine and you can believe that if you want but I did the video on Saturday not Friday and United have held talks with his representatives and that is still an ongoing topic so let's see what happens with that but as I said Tillemans on Friday night before anybody else.

9:08Same source. So I think I know who I believe. I'm not saying we're going to sign Manu Kone. I've always said with Manu Kone, there is a little bit of reluctance from Manchester United. They seem to want prospect as the next signing more than established. And there's nothing you can do about that. But definitely held talks with Manu Kone as we did last summer. So look, I think he's the right player to go for. We can't get Chiamini. Who's the player who plays instead of Chiumini for France, it's Kone. We do need that type of a player. He's better than anybody else that we're talking about in relation to that actual position.

9:45Whether it comes to a full deal or not, we'll have to wait and see, but we have held talks with him. And I also think as well, and I'm not here to teach people how to do their job, but Man United are not giving information out. They're not giving information out. So So if you're phoning up Man United and you're asking them, are you in for Manu Kone, they're not going to tell you anyway. Maybe they would have done last summer, but they're not going to tell you. If you want to get information, you've got to go away from Man United and you've got to find people that you can trust because that's difficult as well.

10:18Agents will tell you, yeah, they're in talks with my client and they're not because they just want you to talk about their client. I had that last season with a certain Liverpool right back who representatives of his really wanted us to talk about from him to Manchester United before he signed for Liverpool. Now, I don't know whether Man United ever had any talks with him and we didn't really talk about it a massive amount. But, you know, I ain't got a problem with that. Sometimes agents and representatives want you to talk about their player and Manchester United. But yeah, look, I think with United, the reason a lot of their journalists aren't very happy is because United aren't giving them anything.

11:05And if you want any evidence of that, look at what happened with Edison. You know, we had Man United journalists on Friday night saying the deal's still on. Romano said it's off. And Romano went to Atalanta. And that's where he got his information from. If he'd have been waiting on Man United, he'd still be waiting now. You've got to go and get the information from elsewhere. And you've got to know that you can trust it and you're not being manipulated. So I'm not really bothered about United journalists saying this isn't happening or that's not happening or the deal's still on. I think United have shut down those bits of information now.

11:39And you've got to get it from elsewhere. So look, two media won't happen. Kone can still happen. That's where we are with those two. Let's talk about David Ornstein's update because I think this was quite an interesting one as well. Remember, we were talking last night about potential midfielders that Manchester United could sign and Bouadi was mentioned as a potential for United as well. Well, this is the update from Fabrizio Romano this morning. And what he's basically saying is that Manchester City are now moving on Bouadi and are confident that they can get a deal done. obviously you know the price is going to be very interesting as to how they you know want to construct a deal I think that closes the door on Manchester United if I'm being honest when it comes to Boadi I think that's it I've always felt that if we want to sign Boadi then you know a lot of things need to fall our way there are there is mention of Arsenal there is mention of Manchester United there is mention of other clubs but you know I absolutely agree with you by the way official AG Ginge I was literally having this thought this morning have we all forgotten about this court case with the Premier League again because I was sort of expecting the answer to this maybe 18 months ago maybe the maybe last summer transfer window at the start of this summer transfer window they were saying it's imminent then we were hearing it'll happen during the World Cup then we were hearing it's going to happen after the World Cup.

13:09I mean, bloody hell. I just don't know. It's just, you know, Peck's gone, a new manager comes in and they're still spending hundreds of millions of pounds, aren't they? So, I mean, I just think these 1-1-5 charges are a bit like the Loch Ness Monster. I mean, do they even actually exist? I think it might actually just be a story that people tell each other about, you know, it's a bit like Man United, the Glazer's selling, isn't it? You know, it just doesn't seem to happen. But I think if David Ornstein is doing a story about Bawadi and Manchester City, then I think that's the end of the road for us.

13:42And that's what I mean. I think we've done well with Telemans. Some people think we've done well with Santos. Let's wait and see. But now we need the third midfielder. I think this is where we struggle because we couldn't get Tenali. We couldn't get Anderson. We couldn't get Mateus Fernandes. We couldn't get Chermini. And I think this signing is that signing. we haven't done that signing yet you know the anderson the fernandez the tenali the chumini we haven't done that signing tillemans is not that player and neither is santos i think tillemans is number two i think santos is now number three we still need that marquee signing and i think this is the one that we struggle with because the competition is high and so is the price and i think we do like duadi but when david ornstein is saying that man city are pushing hard for him and there is a feeling that Lille would like a loan, but Man City wants to bring him in now and the price is going to be around€100 million.

14:42We're not paying€100 million for anybody. We wouldn't pay€100 million for Elliot Anderson or Tonali or Chumini, so we're not going to do it for an 18-year-old from Lille. So we're out. We're out. Buadi's gone and he's going to go to Man City. So I think we need to be realistic to that and start to think, well, you know, where else are we going to go? Now, in The Athletic, it does say that they've got a shortlist of Alex Scott, Enmica, Baleba, Sanderberg are among the names that Man United have considered while surveying the midfield market. Enmica's too expensive. Berg would be laughable. I mean, Sanderberg, Tielemans and Santos would be laughable.

15:25We'd literally be Everton. Baleba is laughable because he's been shit for a year. and nobody else wants him. So why are we after him? And Alex Scott, to me, would be very, very good. But the constant, constant update around Alex Scott is it's£80 million and he's not for sale anyway. So I think that... I think, right, I said this last night. I feel like when it comes to the final midfielder, I think United will take their time on this one. you know I think we will I think we'll be forced to take our time on this one I can't see us doing anything particularly quick I'd love us to do something quick but I think the fact that some of our targets are still playing in the World Cup the fact that some of our targets are very very difficult to get I can see this rumbling on for a few weeks and look I don't want to throw it out there and I think this is a minority chance a slim chance of this happening but Romano has always said, as has other journalists, that United would like another third midfielder, and it's highly likely we will sign another third midfielder.

16:31But there is a world where we don't buy another midfielder. And I know that's terrifying, but it is Manchester United. It is the Glazers. Like, there is a world where we don't buy another midfielder. Now, I absolutely do think we will. But in the interest of fairness and equality and, you know, you know pragmatism what if we don't sign another midfielder what if I mean I read something this morning in the Manchester Evening News that Toby Collier's future will be deciding decided in the next few weeks dependent on what Man United decide to do with the midfield what if Toby Collier has a you know pre-season perlowe and United go we don't need one what if Mason Mow plays in the midfield and has a pre-season perlowe and we don't want one I mean these are scary outcomes that could happen.

17:18Maybe Collier, Mount, maybe they go, look, we've got Maynou, we've got Santos, we've got Tielemans, we've got Agate coming back at Christmas, we've got Mason Mount who can play there, and we've got Toby Collier. We've got six options for two players. You just don't know whether Man Utd might do that and think, let's pocket... I mean, I wish I'd never said it publicly. They might not have figured that one out, but they could do that. They could just go, well, we've got six if we use Mount there. We don't need another midfielder. I think we will get one, but you just don't know. Toby Collier is 22.

17:53He's probably the same age as Santos. You know, as a backup midfielder, they might just go, well, we'll keep Collier. We've got Maynou Tillemans and Santos as the starters. We could use Collier. Agate will be back at some point. We've got Mount. They might just do that. I'll tell you what, if they do do that, whether I like Tillemans or not, you're not getting higher than a three out of 10 for transfer window. if you only buy two fucking midfielders and it's Tillemans and Santos, you can do one. That's absolutely shit. We have to buy another midfielder. But I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if we take our time on this next midfielder.

18:28And, you know, if you take your time, sometimes you can run out of time.

18:35But as I said, I think it's going to be challenging. I think it will be challenging because we're not going to get Boadi. I think Scott might be a bit of a pipe dream. And Meech is too expensive. um the labor would be a disaster in my opinion but some people like it but at the very least half the fan base won't well it's not even half i think 70 percent of the fan base don't want the labor either so i think it would be an unpopular signing and an expensive unpopular signing um as i said kone talks have taken place whether we follow that through we'll have to wait and see some people think we might be talking to giao gomez i don't know about that there's plenty of options out there but they have to land correctly on this third player and they have to get it right they do they have to get it right and and of course on top of that we still have nothing on a left back absolutely nothing on a left back however what they did say about a left winger was that united may this was in the athletic this morning united may still seek to strengthen the left-hand side of their attack with Somerville still a leading target and exploratory talks have previously been held with West Ham.

19:47However, any move for a left winger may hinge on the future of Rashford, who's not going to return for pre-season until after England's World Cup involvement and his summer break. So his reintegration into training after not going to Barcelona will have an impact on that as well. So I think there might be a period now with United where there's a lot of talk and no action for quite a while because we can't do anything on the left wing until Rashford comes back which is going to be basically a month um left back's very very quiet and as I said on the midfield um whilst there are a lot of options I think that's very scattergun by the way I think when the Athletic are saying Alex Scott and Meech Belaber Sanderberger among the names that United have considered I don't think that's accurate I don't think that's accurate I think you could throw four names as well I genuinely don't think I mean you know what sometimes you've got to call it out Mang and I would need to buy one more midfielder right we bought Santos and we bought Tillemans at what level are Sander Berg and Meecher Scott and the Labour the same you ain't heard about Moto Casino Moto has real Vegas slots any game you can find on the floor in Vegas you can play it on Moto I like my slots hot Moto's free to play Like food stamps, in line at the grocery store, at a funeral, in traffic, keep your eyes on the road.

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21:41And that's been proven throughout the summer. Not a lot of people know what's going on. You know, a lot of people said stuff about Mateus Fernandes, they were proved wrong. A lot of people are going, well, I'm not hearing this, but that doesn't mean things aren't going on. I don't think Sanderberg, Alex Scott, Belaber and Enmica are the shortlist at all. I don't think they are. I don't think Belaber's in there. I don't think Sanderberg's in there. I don't think Enmica's in there as much as I would love him to be in there. I don't think he is because I think that one got killed off a couple of weeks ago because of how much money Dortmund want.

22:17Now, later in the market, he might come into it. I'd love Enmica, by the way. I know it's a little bit niche, but I would love Enmica. I think the height, the physicality, the ability on the ball, the age profile, I think Enmica would be absolutely perfect for us as our third midfielder. It's just whether you can get the price down. And also, remember, the market dictates the price. Later on in the window, then there might be something we can do with him because look if somebody if Liverpool go for him which they might do or Chelsea go for him which they might do or Arsenal go for him which they might do then you know it becomes very very difficult but you know Newcastle have been looking at Enmica and Dortmund are therefore looking at like a price of around 100 million but as we know no one wants to go to Newcastle he has got a long time left on his contract his contract's not up until 2030 which makes it you know problematic but 25 years of age good midfielder good midfielder um but that price would have to come down and at the moment i don't think it is look sanderberg is not in the same level as a as a scott or a and meter and even belaborance berg are very very different so i don't think it's those four As I said to you last night I think Kone, Scott Bawadi up until this morning I think it's around those three That's where I think it is Yeah Still has been linked to Newcastle PJ So no, nothing on him at the moment IDF, thank you very much Sorry, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Get rid of you Sorry about that I was just reading something before I looked at it You're gone uh what i uh jason says what i'd give to be back when sir alex ferguson and david gill were handling business on that i wonder how much the current fan base are aware of those days says jason look i saw something that went a little bit viral last night and it was a spurs fan saying um i'm so glad that we're not having summers like man united anymore there was a time when And United used to be, sorry, there was a time when Spurs were signing people like Tillemans and Santos and hoping it was going to work.

24:46And I'm very glad that Spurs are now signing top quality players like Mateus Fernandes and Tonali. Quite a few United fans bit on this. I'll be honest. I'll be absolutely honest here. You're an accountant if you'd rather have Tillemans and Santos over Fernandes and Tonali. You can't argue with it. I'm not here to slate Santos and Tillemans, but there were United fans saying they were happier with Tillemans and Santos because they were cheaper. And I was like, hold on a minute, this is football. It's meant to be about enjoyment. It's meant to be about being the best. I would take Tonali and Mateus Fernandes any day of the week, regardless of them being£100 million more.

25:33I think that is a failure on the club's ambition. You can argue about whether you want to pay it or not, but why are football fans accountants? Surely it's about enjoyment. Tonali and Mateus Fernandes are better players than Santos and Telemans. They are. However, it doesn't mean Spurs are going to be better than Man United because Spurs don't have Bruno Fernandes. Spurs don't have Kobi Menuh. Spurs don't have Harry Maguire. Spurs don't have a good goalkeeper. So, you know, Spurs have bought well, but they finished fourth from bottom. We finished third. So Tillemans and Santos can still work for us.

26:12Of course, I'd rather have Fernandes and Tonali, but I don't think Tillemans is a bad signing. Do I think the club have been as ambitious as they could have been? Of course I don't. I mean, look, Arsenal won the league and they might be getting Bruno Guimerez. He's better than any midfielder we've bought. Spurs finished fourth from bottom and they've just gone and bought spent close to£200 million on two very good midfielders Man City finished second one ahead of us they bought Elliot Anderson and they're going to get Boadi so there's a lot of clubs around us buying better than us it's going to be difficult for us to hold our place but I am happy with Tillemans I am happy with the experience but look I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't rather have Boadi and Anderson I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't rather have Fernandes and Tenali but that's not Tillemans and Santos' fault that's not your fault that's the club's fault for the way they run you know we could have had a better summer of course we could have done absolutely but you know we've got to go with what we've got I see similar to Garner coming and a fullback and hopefully an experienced striker I don't see a winger coming in they will use the World Cup as an excuse says Ryan does Tillemans mean that we could get Ryerson or Robinson?

27:25I think this could be the greatest day of our lives. No, I think this could be the comment of the day. And I think you've done comment of the day before JSD plays. I think this is a bloody cracker. I think this is an absolute cracker. So does Tillemans mean we could sign Ryerson or Robinson? Because we've always been told that United have this strict under-26 policy. and now

27:58now we don't so could we now go and buy Robinson at left back could we now go and buy Ryerson at right back I would have always said no but what I do absolutely say now is that you know we could we could go and get that sort of player I don't know whether we will. It might just be a one-off, but it could mean that Ryerson or Robinson are on the agenda now. Obviously, Anthony Robinson at Fulham, left back, one of the best attacking left backs in the Premier League. He puts in like four or five crosses per 90 compared to Luke Shaw's one. So the improvement would be massive. And I do like Anthony Robinson.

28:43um Ryerson one of the most creative right backs in world football obviously had a very good um well he didn't have a great world cup because he got injured a couple of times but you know very good right back um I don't know we'd have to wait and see uh Gavin says it's scary how many fans on socials and even on man united youtube channel think signing the label would transfer a man midfield two out of the three are high risk yeah I don't know what it is Gavin I don't know whether it's propaganda, I don't know whether they're being paid. Sometimes as a content creator, you can get contacted by a brand and they'll say, if you talk about our brand, we'll give you some money.

29:21It almost feels a little bit like that with Belayver because no one wants him. He's had a shit season and suddenly over the last few days, there's a load of people going, I think he's perfect. I think he's perfect. Which flies in the face of logic. He's not perfect. he's had a shit season he's been he's been benched by James Milner he's been subbed off loads of times he didn't start a lot of games and people want him to be a marquee signing it's very strange but they're wrong they're very very wrong um and uh I don't know whether it's people trying to be niche or clever or what but they're very very wrong look maybe in a year's time he'll get back to what he was but I wouldn't I wouldn't sign anybody based on that season I I don't care who you are.

30:01It was an abysmal season in the spotlight. At the very least, he's shown he's a bottler mentally that he can't deal with the pressure. Everybody knew we tried to buy him last summer and this season should have been the season where he proved everybody wrong. He didn't. He didn't.

30:20Scott or Bruno G are the only option left for me, says Jack. Scott or Bruno G are the only option left for me. Well, I don't think we'll get Bruno G, Jack. Jack, I'd love to go for Bruno G, but I don't think we will. I don't think we'd sign two 28-year-olds or I know Tillemans is 29. Scott, I would like Scott. I think United would like Scott, but the price is always going to be a problem. Based on what our spendings have been so far, should that give us an estimate for how much we can spend on the marquee signings, says Jack? Well, we've spent about 70, 85, 83 million. I think we've spent, to be precise.

31:00So that gives us about 65 if we want to stay under the 150 mark. Yeah. Stormdogs, thanks for your super chat. Martinez to Atletico Madrid. Where is this coming from, Dan? Where is this Martinez to Atletico Madrid stuff coming from? Because I'll tell you what, if Man United consider selling Lissandro Martinez to anybody, they're bloody idiots. Like, to me, he has been the best centre-back in the World Cup. Offensively, defensively, I think he's been absolutely on point. He's playing a game every three or four days, so you can't moan about his fitness. Argentina have been to extra time twice, you know.

31:47Are you seriously telling me there's people at Man United or in our fan base that think it's a good idea to sell Lissandro Martinez? when he's playing how he is and he's proving his fitness how he is, but we keep Harry Maguire for another year. I mean, this would be Everton. This would be like selling your best centre-back to make money. This is the sort of thing that worries me about the club's mentality because there are things that we do that clearly save money and this would be a clear indicator that we're a selling club. So, no, absolutely not. I mean, on no level would you sell Martinez.

32:30He's not too old. He's not playing badly. He's not got an injury problem. And the fact that Atletico Madrid would want him, you know, I saw something the other day that I don't, you can't even find the source. It's just people putting the tweets out. Man United have turned down offers of interest from numerous clubs about Mason Mount. Are we bollocks? Oh my god As if Who are these clubs as well You know Is it charity Is it charity summer games or something Will Mason Mount play in this charity game For you know Goldbridge FC or something like that There's no genuine football club Knocking on the door about Mason Mount You know that's just complete and utter It's nonsense But this you know Lissandro Martinez Would genuinely have Genuine clubs looking at him you know if we put him up for sale i wouldn't be surprised if barcelona wanted him you know we shouldn't be going anywhere near selling lissandro martinez and also he's the only we don't play a back three anymore we play a back four and in a back four you do need a defender that can bring the ball out from the back he's the only one that can bring the ball out of the ball out from the back properly um i mean he's he's our starting center back carrick used him at the end of the season as well.

33:49So Carrick does like him. We can't let Martinez go. If we sold Martinez, that would be an admission that we're a small club because you're selling one of your better players. And you know what? That's what Everton do. That's what Bournemouth do. That's what Brighton do. They accept that they have to sell their better players to survive. You can't behave like that. If we sell Martinez, it's like Arsenal selling Gabriel. it's like Man City selling Bardiel.

34:25You can't sell that type of player. I've paced a little bit, but it is a rumour. I don't know where the rumours come from, by the way. I've just seen a lot of people talking about it. I mean, it could be the biggest load of crap sauce in the world. I've not seen it. Interesting that Vieira prefers Kone over Chumini, says Crystal. I think Kone is an incredibly clever signing, whoever does it. he will leave Roma this summer. And, you know, he could end up at Chelsea. He could end up at Newcastle. He could end up in the Bundesliga. He could end up in La Liga. But he's an incredibly clever signing for whoever goes for him.

35:04And we'll tell you who does. What other midfielder can we go for? Is it structural? I mean, I think there's plenty out there. But for me, I think it's got to be Kone, Scott now. I think it's got to be one of those two. it's got to be one of those two. Personally, I like the Tillemans deal, experienced and classy, but Belaber, I believe, is driven by Brighton as they can see 80 million drifting away, says Martin Saunders. Irish Ghost says, I'd love Chumini, but we will not get him because both Tillemans and Chumini both bench Maynou and I don't see Carrick benching him, says Irish Ghost. High marks, says Stephen.

35:40Well, what I would say to you, Irish Ghost, is I do think Tillemans and Mainou as a midfield too is very, very similar. There's not a lot of defensive cover there and there's not a lot of pace there at all. So I'd be very surprised if we started the season with Mainou and Tillemans together, although we are playing a couple of crap teams at the start, so maybe we will, but there's not a lot of pace there between Mainou and Tillemans. Hi, Mark. Hope you and your family are well. What's your opinion on Tillemans? Do you think he will succeed, Sir Stephen? Yeah, I mean, I think he comes into the team and hits the ground running.

36:10I think he's a ready-to-go player. He's got a lot of experience. I'm happy with the deal. And I think it makes a lot of sense. There's a lot of things that intrigue me about it. For example, like, how does he fit into the midfield, like I was just talking about there? But look, I mean, obviously I'd rather bought Chumini or Tonali or Bruno G or Anderson. But when United dropped the ball on all four of those, I think for an option E, A, B, C, D, E, for an option E, you know, when United are buying option E, you're starting to think, oh my God, this is going to be a right bag of shit. I think for an option E, it's about as good as it gets.

37:06I think it is about as good as it gets. uh one thing i did want to talk about though was the length of contract some people have been moaning about this because um fabrizio put it out that the contract for thielemans is five years um five years uh uri thielemans has completed his medical and signs today at man united i understand the agreement will be valid until june 31 which is five years i mean it could be four plus one um but obviously he's 29 so that contract doesn't run out till he's 34 so some people have said well hold on a minute he might be good for two three years but what about when he's you know year four and five of his contracts um and he's pushing a zimmer frame around because he's he's you know he falls off a cliff um i

38:05look i don't i don't i don't i don't know i think for 35 million pounds if you can get three years out of him you've done the job anyway i i guarantee his wages are quite low look there's in many ways we're showing a lot of trust we're showing a lot of faith in tillemans aren't we and we're clearly going to be his last club so i don't know i don't i don't know look i think sometimes we do get a little bit hung up on contracts. I mean, we gave Harry Maguire a six-year deal when we bought him for 80 million quid, didn't we? So we aren't opposed to giving out long deals. I mean, I suppose what I would say is, what are we saying?

38:46We should give him a three-year deal. The trouble with a three-year deal is, in two years' time, when he's 31, if he's doing well, he's got another deal. He's got another move in him, hasn't he? I suppose in this deal, you're locking him in. You're locking him in for the rest of his career. Whereas at 31, if he's doing really well, you've got to give him another contract. So in some ways, I can sort of see why we've done it. Three-year deal, he could still be really good in his early 30s and say, I want another contract and I want a pay rise. Might be quite clever by United actually to lock him in on a deal for five years because he can't get a wage increase then no matter how well he does he can't get a pay rise so it may it might not be as bad as people think i know i know it's a long contract for a 29 year old but the way the modern game's going you can still be a top player at 32 give him a three-year deal he's out of contract he's heading off somewhere else on a free or he's going i want a massive wage to stay and you put yourself in a problem there because you've got a 32 year old saying, I want 200 grand a week.

39:46I think with a five-year deal, he's locked in. So financially, it's probably better that he's on a five-year deal when you think about it. And I know, I understand people saying, well, he'd be 34 and he could fall off a cliff and he could be a flop, but I think financially it might actually work out better. There's no prospect of him leaving on a free until he's 34 and there's no prospect of him getting an increased wage or deal either. so I think it probably makes a lot of sense but I can see why people are going well it'll be 34 but as I said think about Modric if we'd given Modric a three year deal at 29 at 32 it's still got three years at Real Madrid so I think it probably is a four plus one and I think it probably makes a bit of sense Bruno and the front three next season or top of a diamond And oh, God, I wonder when we were going to start having these chats.

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42:12The person we've signed up this week, I mean, we can't announce it for a little bit, but oh my God. I mean, if Man United had the recruitment team we've got, I mean, we would be signing Yamal equivalent. We would be, I mean, it's just, it's incredible. It's incredibly exciting, the stuff and people that are going to be involved. Do you think you'll get an interview with Roy Keane? I would always say yes, because it's all part of the same thing. No, it's way better than Mika Richards, mate. I'd say Mika Richards is a bit like Santos. We're talking to people and signing people on the level of Bellingham, in that world.

42:58I'd love to get an interview with Roy Keane. I don't know, just because, I mean, look, you never know. You never know. We'll have to wait and see. We'll have to wait and see. Are you worried about the lack of pace in the midfield, says Jay Shaw? Look, I mean, these are the great conversations we're going to have the closer we get to the start of the season. But, like, I don't look at stats, really. I don't look at stats. I think if you look at stats, Santos is better than Tillemans. And that's just not true, is it? You know, you can say Santos is better than Mateus Fernandes if it makes you sleep better.

43:31But Santos is not better than Tillemans. But if you look at the stats, Santos is better than Tillemans on many, many levels. But then look at the minutes that Santos played last season, and he's playing mainly against chances. Like, whereas Tillemans will be playing for Villa against decent sides for 90 minutes. Santos, to me, is a prospect. There's a little bit less pressure on him. Tillemans comes in as a starter. There's pressure on him. These are the sort of players that we needed. I'll say again that there is definitely a lack of pace with Tillemans of course there is and there is a lack of pace with Maynou of course there is so how do Maynou and Tillemans play together in a midfield two with Bruno who also lacks pace against some of the more powerful midfields I mean how are they going to play against Arsenal how are they going to play against Liverpool how are they going to play against I know Newcastle's midfield is decimated now but the traditional Joel Linton Bruno G and Tonali, very energetic, very powerful.

44:33How would Tillemans and Mainu deal with that? They're not the tallest either. So I think we do need some power and pace in that midfield, which is why I think Kone is perfect. But I'm interested to see how Tillemans and Mainu work together because we're meant to be building the midfield around Mainu and Tillemans is not coming here to be a bench player. So, you know, maybe Mainu's got a bit of competition. That's not a bad idea either, is it? Masraoui's our left back next season says Miracle well why wasn't he our left back last season you know I agree with you but why was he not used last year when he was fit will Rashford sign extension on less wages says Robert McCormack depends how happy he is I mean he's got two years left on his contract he won't be signing an extension anytime soon if Tillemans don't work we can send him to Saudi says Bale, Wall, Justice.

45:29Well, let's give him a chance first. Bruno and the front three next season or top... Bruno and... Geordie, I don't know what this was about. Bruno and N3, front three next season or top of a diamond. Why would we play a diamond next season? People always do this every summer. We're changing position to a...

45:53We're changing position to a diamond and we never do. We might play it in pre-season. But

46:01We never do I think Bruno has to play as a number 10

46:08And You know I think it'll be a back 4 Same as it was last year Might tweak the way we play But Yeah Romano says Man United want to sign One more midfielder Not over yet I mean he literally said that yesterday

46:34Yeah Yeah I'm okay Not really much to say about that I think Tillemans is more of a backup for Bruno Says Tillock I don't think you know Tillemans position then mate Because he's not really a 10 If Balaba was 30 million would you take him Says Keel No No And you know why I wouldn't sign him for 30 million? Because he's shit. No, I wouldn't sign him for 30 million because that's not what we're looking for now. Why would you buy a player for 30 million pounds? Why would you buy a player for 40 million pounds? The balance of the midfield only works if the final signing is a significant signing. You can't buy Jao Gomez now when you bought Tillemans and Santos.

47:19You can't buy three players for 40 million pounds. like all right Santos was 48 and Tillemans was 35 but put that together and you're not far off 40 million each um I think that the next midfielder has to be the marquee signing the biggest signing um so I wouldn't be happy with signing any player for 30 or 40 million pounds this player needs to be the shirt seller I suppose when can we see Tillemans in a United shirt says Stig well apparently got a bit of an injury at the moment he missed the belgium spain quarterfinal didn't he with a knock so one he's got a bit of a knock and two he's got to go on holiday for three weeks so i suppose the first thing with tillemans is seeing when he comes back in early august how fit he is um yeah mesraoui can start as our left back next season says miracle Mehdi says Marky is Turam earning 70k a week at Juventus Ineos connection connect the dots Mark Juve value 45 and is in Europa League not heard anything about him at all mate not heard anything about him Spurs will have a lot of players that finish 16th and those signings will have to settle at Spurs Tonali is a very good player and Fernandes is very talented and still very unproven thank you very much Emily Balaba reminds me of Karnu incoherent movement but offers strength height and power something we're generally lacking but he's very high risk uh patrick lynch for those happy with the wage structure what's the purpose of it we don't reinvest the savings in the squad owners don't have an history of it sustainability we would have that without the debt anyway very good points patrick i don't understand the point of a of a look people telling me to check fabrizio romano's tweet i literally just went to it if you listened you're just disrupting the flow of an amazing show.

49:14I literally went to it like five minutes ago and it's still the same tweet. Man United looking for one more midfielder. We spoke about it last night at 8 o 'clock. He literally said it yesterday. He's just done a video on what he said. Man United want one more midfielder. Oh, fucking hell. Let's stop the stream and go live again. Fabrizio's repeated something from last night. We want to sign another midfielder. Wow. You don't have to knock one out to every Romano tweet, you know, he does tend to repeat the same thing again because he has to do loads and loads of content. Like he's not, he's not said we're signing Kony, has he?

49:53He's not said we're signing Chiamini. It's literally the same thing he said last night in a video. Morning, Mark. Hope you and the family well done that one. Thank you very much, Stephen. Eggspur says, a bit off the midfield topic, but I believe Kunja could be a good reliable winger with an overlapping left back that allowed him space to get cut into the centre. What do you think? Are you from the year 2025? Or did you not watch football from January to May? Because breaking news, Kunya's been playing on the left wing since January. And he can do a job out there, you're right. But he has already been doing it for six months.

50:38Do you think Tillemans will succeed at United? Sir Stephen I mean if you want me to guess Yes But Wadi for 100 million is laughable Man City wants him Says unseen Yeah but Man City don't care Man City don't care do they? They don't care Any truth that we might be selling Martinez? I know nothing about this But I will lose my shit if we do I think if Rashford stays He runs his contract and won't sign Runs down his contract and won't sign And I think if he does that, Robert, it makes him even more unattractive to those fans that don't want him back. I mean, if he comes back and just runs his contract down, it's not going to make him appealing, is it?

51:19So my personal feeling about Rashford is that this is just Sancho all over again. Remember that summer where Sancho had fallen out with Ten Hag, refused to train, whatever, did the tweet. He came back for preseason. they put a smile on they did a few interviews he played a few pre-season games everything's fine everything's fine and then he went and i think that might be what it's about getting the best out of the best situation for everybody where he goes i don't know i don't know uh marlow says carrick promises another style of football in the long run how do the signings so far help him achieve that well i think santos um has a very good passes per 90 stats and tillemans is definitely a possession-based midfielder.

52:04So straight away, it looks like we want more controlled possession in the midfield. If you look at last season, we averaged about 48 % possession in the Premier League, which is not very good. So I would instantly say that Tillemans and Santos should give us more control of the ball. Now, why would you want more control of the ball when you're a counter-attacking team? Well, you wouldn't. but I think that is a natural hint straight away that if we want more of the ball, maybe we are going to move away from being a counter-attacking team, which I would, you know, I would praise that. So there is potentially, Marlowe, a hint that we're going to become more of a possession-based team, which I think is a positive.

52:49I had a dream, says Stig Olsen. I had a dream last night that Rashford is staying and having a 30-plus goal season and I don't even want him here. That was weird. yeah I mean Stig if you were yeah I mean look we all have dreams don't you I mean I could tell you about my dream last night it's definitely not going to happen by Manchester United the club says AU I've got a new left back and right back instead of a third midfielder if you know I've got a new left back and a new right back instead of a third midfielder would you accept that no no Dino the midfield has to be has to be done properly this this this this summer Mohack says I think we use Kunja on the left wing against low blocks Dorgo overlaps Rashford against more open teams when we can counter with the pace yeah I don't think Marcus Rashford is going to be happy being a bench player mate do we prioritise other areas now because I don't think Sesco alone is enough still need a good left back and I hate the fact that we only got AFCON players on the right wing well there is no AFCON so we don't need to worry about that Seth I wouldn't mind us not buying the next I wouldn't mind us not buying the midfielder next.

53:58We can still buy this third midfielder in August, but what would be good is if we moved on left back, like you say. That would be of interest to me, certainly.

54:14But what I expect to happen next is that Tillemans will be announced officially, as was Santos yesterday. and maybe over the next few days we'll start to get a little bit of clarity on um who is going to be the next signing because i do think that there is a little bit of uncertainty around that but look as well like you know you've got a you you get fed a lot of information you get fed a lot of shit. As I said, I know we've held talks with Kone. I knew about Tillemans on Sunday. I know Chumini's not coming to Man United. I know Scott's a very difficult deal to do. It looks like Broaddy's going to Man City.

55:07So it's tough to predict what we're going to do next in the midfield, but I'm sure we have to buy another midfielder. And for me as well, look, I think that shelving unit behind me is very useful because we needed a tier three, a tier two, and a tier one midfielder. I'd put Santos in three now, which I'm happier with, whereas last week I thought he might be the tier two. I'd say Santos is the tier three. I'd say Tillens is the tier two. So the next one's got to be tier one. If we buy another tier three, that's not great. So this next signing To make this summer better Has to be a tier 1 Therefore you are looking at In my opinion, Scott That's what you're looking at You could get by with another tier 2 Which would be Kone But you can't go for a tier 3 You can't United reported to have offered Martinez to Atletico Madrid That's from Spanish outlets Well if we have then I would ask Jason Wilcox to tender his resignation with Omar Barada straight away with immediate effect.

56:21That would be absolutely disgusting. Apparently Romano has said that the Edison deal is completely off. Mate, the Edison deal was always off. It's just a lot of the British journalists haven't got a bloody clue what we're doing because the club aren't feeding them. So they have to listen to it. You know, when you're a client journalist, you are only as good as the client's information. And when the client's saying the Edison's deal is still on, and you type an article saying the Edison deal is still on, you know those people don't have any information. They're just being fed by the club because the Edison deal's off.

57:01And it has been off for nearly a week now. But even yesterday morning, the Manchester Evening News was typing out, we understand that the club, the deal is still on. But it's not a still on, is it? But you're only as good as your information. And a lot of the people get the information from the club. And the club, obviously, aren't giving out good information at the moment. To their benefit, really. Otherwise, you know, people would have got wind of that Tillemans deal. What's going on with Stiller, says Harvey. The Athletic today was reporting that he's on the list for Newcastle, but he's not on our list, from what I've heard.

57:37No. I like Enmeacher, Coleman. I do like Enmica, but I think he's out of our price range at the moment.

57:48We need to do something with the defence. I don't think we'll do anything with the defence this summer. Does being a more possession-based team fit with Bruno's as Marlowe? Well, I mean, look, we could be slightly more possession. It doesn't mean we're going to be... I mean, look, we could go from averaging 48 % possession to 52 % possession. I mean, I'm not saying we're going to go up to 70 and be, you know, tiki-taka but no Bruno still needs to thrive in a team that moves the ball quickly we saw that with Portugal in the summer didn't he I mean Bruno struggled massively in a team that's trying to keep slow possession and work chances for Ronaldo he really struggled Bruno needs pace in the attack Bruno needs space in the counter-attack that's where he's at his best um I'd expect Santos to have a good passes per 90 when he's playing against Wrexham in the cup says Chief Will well look this is where stats are very very deceptive masra wowie says did you dream last night involved margot robbie um no actually i wouldn't admit it if it did um just a reminder tonight we are live at seven o 'clock my show at eight o 'clock is at seven o 'clock because tonight and tomorrow night both seven o 'clock shows because it's world cup semi-final night so live at eight o 'clock on that's football for spain against france okay what a great show this morning really enjoyed it um thank you so much everybody for tuning in nearly 15 000 watching the entire show make sure you're subscribing this is the place to be uh we're getting some good information in let me just double check if i've had anything in while i'm live because i didn't do this yesterday and it was problematic um

59:35No.

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