Carrick EXPOSED! Goldbridge RANT!

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1:42Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news, transfer news, and we're going to delve straight into it this morning because as much as I want to get into a ball day, a striker, maybe players heading out the door in the next few days, I just want to start off by saying that, look, one person's negativity is clearly standards. And if anybody thinks that it's negative to call out what's going on at this football club over the last 10 to 15 years, I'm baffled by it. Look at the tweet from Man United this morning. I had to check the account.

2:14I thought it was a joke. It says Manchester United X account, onwards and upwards with a picture of the players all hugging. I'm like, you've just lost 2-0 to Hull and somebody in the commercial department has said, let's put a tweet out of onwards and upwards. And then you've got Luke Shaw coming out. I will talk about his body language in a minute. You've got Luke Shaw coming out saying, I know we weren't good enough today and I'm not making excuses, but we're going to have an excellent season. And I think, you know what? I actually grabbed hold of these, right? This is my case in point in 4K this morning, yeah?

2:47These are the kits that my daughter's going to, you know, she's too big for now, right? There we go. There's one there. There's another one. That's a nice one, isn't it? Yeah. Another one here. Look, there's another one. There we go. Another one. Remember that one? Yeah. Remember that one? Yeah. Oh, remember this one? This is a little bit older, this one. Where's this one? Here we go. Remember that one? Quite liked that one, actually. Rashford, Schweinsteiger, et cetera. Kit after kit. Nice kit after nice kit. How many titles have we won in those kits? How many of you have spent hundreds of pounds on those kits?

3:19It's very, very clear to me that Manchester United is no longer a football club. It is a commercial outlet. You lose a game to Hull and somebody somewhere in the club says we need to steer the fans back to being positive. We need to get those fans feeling positive so they can silence the people who know the truth. I literally put a tweet under that Man United tweet as an exercise saying this has to be a joke. You know what I got? Abuse. Oh, shut up moaning. I didn't make us lose 2-0 to Hill. Man United put out a tweet saying onwards and upwards. I say you've got to be joking and I get abuse. This is the commercialisation of Manchester United.

3:57What they do is they send Luke Shaw out. They put those tweets out because what they want to do is make losing to Hull OK. they don't want it not to be okay they want losing to Hull and crap transfer windows to be acceptable because if they do that if you accept beating Hull sorry losing Hull you will buy more of these you will buy more of these you will buy more of these you will buy more of these and you will buy more of these and it doesn't matter what shit wears them you'll buy them because they look nice and it's got Man United on it. And that, my friends, in a short two-minute piece is why Man United keep doing what they did yesterday.

4:39Because we have become the masters in making money out of being shit. We have become the masters of taking the standards from up there to acceptably down here. And if you say this morning, Man United's a mess, you'll probably get abuse and get called negativity. Now, I applaud the club and their owners for that because how are they putting tweets out saying onwards and upwards less than 24 hours after being humiliated in the opening game of the season by Hull. Onwards and upwards. How's about reflect your fucking rubbish? You know, but this is the commercialisation of Man United. There will be people in that football club who last night had a meeting and went, we need to turn this negative into a positive.

5:20We need to keep the money flowing in. And that's simply what we are. Simply what we are. And I wanted to get that out at the very start because I can't believe Man United under Sir Alex Ferguson would be saying onwards and upwards the day after that result to Hull. There would be a post-mortem. There would be analysis. But, you know, you roll the players out and this is what happens. This is what happens. And also, just in relation to the Luke Shaw stuff, by the way, Man United are going to win the league. I'm telling you now, Man United are going to win the league. Man United are going to win the league.

5:55Yeah, we've just got to be confident and we're going to win the league. Yeah, we're going to win the league. Which one do you believe more? Because Luke Shaw walked out yesterday and did an interview like that. Body language of somebody who doesn't believe the shit he's being wheeled out to talk. And I looked at that Luke Shaw interview after the game yesterday and you could ridicule it for words, but he don't even believe what he's saying. He stood there in front of the cameras with his hands folded as a senior player saying, look, before I say what I'm going to say, there are no excuses, but it is.

6:29I mean, the hilarious thing is, look at this. Before I say what I'm going to say, there are no excuses, but it is the start of the season and maybe the players are finding their form again. What?

6:42What? Before I say anything, there are no excuses, but in the very next sentence, I'm going to give you an excuse. I mean, and he stood there like this the whole interview. Before I say what I'm going to say, there are no excuses. But here's an excuse. It's the start of the season and maybe the players are finding their form again. United should be coming to Hull and winning the game. No disrespect. I've got no problem with that. But he also said, I still believe we'll have a great season. I still believe we'll have a great season. I'm confident we'll be competing at the top. Of course, this game was just a small slip up.

7:13It's not the idea. It's not ideal this early. I promise you this will be an excellent season for us. I mean, I'm sorry. I don't want to upset Ricky when he's sipping on his coffee and having his toast and marmalade. But the last player I want to come out and talk to me about promises and having an excellent season is a player I want on the bench. Luke Shaw is a former top left back. He is not a top player anymore. And if he's been wheeled out to tell us we're going to have an excellent season. I mean, he literally says every summer, this is the best squad I've ever had. You know, it's just... I'm not blaming Luke Shaw.

7:55I'm not blaming Tillemans. I'm not blaming the Man United admin. It all comes from the top. It's get the positive message out there because we don't want them to deal with the truth. And look, on a positive note, there's some interesting comments coming in and I want to get into the transfer stuff. But on a positive note, I believe we can still get top five. But what my biggest concerns are is that Manchester United, is it not just about results? It's also about vision and performance. And I think we're almost, there is this division. I wouldn't even say it's a division in the fan base. There is this division that baffles me because these people won't put themselves into a situation where they'll have an open debate.

8:43But there are journalists and content creators and ex-players who relentlessly push positivity. Oh, this squad's in a great... I mean, I saw two ex-players yesterday saying that Man United have got a great squad. They've had a good summer. And I'm like, let me at them. I'm like, scrappy do, let me at them. I want to I want to debate them. I'm like, we haven't had a good summer. And then within 10 minutes of them saying that, you know, we're starting against Hull and we're absolutely terrible. There seems to be a fear to call out the issues. If Man United was a graph, it's literally down, down, down, down, down, down.

9:20I mean, I'm looking at the, just bringing transfers in here. My big issue with United at the moment is the vision is bad. Like we're not playing good football. There's no sign of a style of play. and everybody around us is doing better business, which I'll come back to in a minute. So when you've got Nottingham Forest bidding 70 million pounds for Thiago, I don't want Thiago, but what people don't realise is because they're too literal, they'll go, I don't want Thiago for 70 million pounds. Every time I watch him, he's crap. I do not want Thiago for 70 million pounds. But when Nottingham Forest are bidding 70 million pounds for Thiago, at some point they're going to bid 80 million pounds for somebody we do want.

10:03And we won't pay that. So you've got teams like Forrest, not just Spurs, Forrest and Everton will probably do it soon, who are going to be operating at a higher budget than we are. You've got Aston Villa taking Goretzka. I don't want Goretzka. He's 31. He's never played in the Premier League. Some of you did. We haven't gone for Goretzka because we don't want to pay his wage. So you've got Aston Villa willing to pay the wage for Goretzka. You've got Nottingham Forest willing to pay a fee we won't pay for Thiago. This is going to be a big problem for us. So when we talk about vision, it's not just about I can't see a style of play again.

10:42I also can't see how we're going to change as a football to be ambitious to bring better players in. Because one thing that's very clear from yesterday is we need better players. We obviously do need a left back and we obviously do need a backup striker. But we also need to call ourselves out here. If we get a left back and we get a backup striker, are you going to sit here and tell me we're winning the league? Because I'm not. We need a left back and a backup striker because they are urgent issues. It's like driving to Cornwall with a flat tyre and no petrol. We need to stop the car, get the tyre and get some petrol.

11:15But the car's crap. We need a new car. I don't like the people in the back seat. get rid of them. You know, it's your gran. Get rid of them. You know, I've had enough. So we need to, there is a lot that needs changing. Left back and a backup striker are just urgent. That doesn't mean we're ready. I want a right back. I don't think Masraoui and Deleuze. I like Masraoui and I don't have a problem with Deleuze as a player and his attitude, but they're not good enough. Some people are now saying the centre-backs aren't good enough. I mean, if Deleuze and Martinez come back and do well, we might be okay.

11:51But a lot of people are saying heaven is a work in progress. Yoro can't get near the team and Maguire's coming towards the end of his career. Some people think the centre-backs aren't good enough. Some people are already saying, what if the midfield's not good enough? We've spent£150 million, but how many players have actually worked at United in the last 12 years? Maybe that's not good enough. Just because we bought three midfielders doesn't mean they're good enough. What if Rashford doesn't work out? So there's lots of things in that team that still need work. And I look at the vision and I go, well, OK, when you're left back a backup striker, we probably need another three or four players as well.

12:27And teams like Forrest and Villa are more competitive in the market than us. How are we bringing better players in when we can't compete for better players? It's going to be a problem, isn't it? It is going to be a problem. And as for performance, how's that going to improve if we haven't got the right setup? And results will suffer as they did yesterday. So PRV last season, performance was up and down. Vision was short term. Results were good. This season, if we lose results, that's when the problems start. Performance, results, vision. They're the three big things I think that are a key indicator to United's success.

13:08Last season, under Carrick, results were good. And it sort of superseded performance and vision, as it should do. If results start to suffer, what is there? Because I don't know what the vision is. And the performances, you know, have to be better. Have to be better. Lots to get into, as I said. I'm going to get into some of your comments. But look, the resonating thing for me is, and I will bring this up again. Ralf Ranyik made this statement four years ago and was hounded out the club. he spoke about how there needed to be a rebuild. There had to be a rebuild. There had to be open heart surgery.

13:46Four years ago, Manchester United knew about this. We knew about this and they've done nothing about it. Four years ago, we had the opportunity to choose competence and start rebuilding the club. And by now, we might be competing with Arsenal because it's not going to happen in three months. It's going to, the minute we get competent, that's when the rebuild starts. And that rebuild could take three or four years. That's the terrifying thing is four years ago, we could have been on that pathway and we're not on that pathway. We are on the pathway of people who think they know better. They know better than Ranić.

14:24They know better than Amrim. They know better than Ten Hag. They know better than Oli. They know better than everybody, yet we keep getting into this mess. it's terrifying how we still don't have a vision at Manchester United in fact the only thing we're good at is turning a whole game into onwards and upwards even Michael Carrick after the game yesterday was like this won't change the plan it's just one game I'm sort of like there are certain performances and certain results that you can't just sweep under the carpet you know So there's a lot more that needs to be done than that. Look, I was looking at what De Zerbe said after the game yesterday and basically he's like, look, we haven't got what we need.

15:06We need to be more active in the transfer window. I didn't see Carrick coming out after the game yesterday going, I haven't got what I need. And this is what I mean about mixed messages. Like the problem with Carrick is he gives nothing away. He just wants to... And look, I don't know that I'm massively criticising for this, but he will not say anything negative about this board. So he basically, he won't. He won't. So what he really needed to do is come out after the game yesterday and say, look, we need better players. But he won't do that. So De Zerbi will. Maresca will. Maybe Uriola will today if they lose to Newcastle.

15:51So there's no pressure. There's no pressure coming in. And there's no pressure on him as well. I mean, I was looking at, I got sent this today and I think it's very, very good. There's no pressure on him and there's no pressure from him on the board. So the only pressure is fan pressure. And that quickly gets swamped by you being negative. So the Glazers and Ineos have locked this down. You can lose to Hull and get abuse for calling it out. They've won. They've absolutely won. There are no protests. There is no one looking to buy the club. They've absolutely won. There's a manager that doesn't speak out and there's a media that doesn't speak against the manager.

16:33So you end up in this vacuum of what's going on at my football club, but nothing ever changes. Case in point, remember when Amorim was sat there a couple of games when we were losing and he wasn't doing anything? In fact, I have a quote here. It was Ellen White who was analysing Amarim's body language after Man United's win over Burnley. He was sitting in a lot of different positions, strange, odd behaviour. Well, you remember how I write Amarim when he was coach and he had the little tactics board or he'd sit there looking a bit dejected and they'd go, his body language is all wrong. His body language is all wrong.

17:11Michael Carrick sat there doing nothing yesterday. Nobody says anything, a word, because to be honest, it doesn't really matter what you're doing body language wise, but this is what I mean. People treat different people different ways. And I can't believe it's acceptable to lose to Hull. I can't believe a Man United manager can come out with very little anger or frustration and say it won't change the plan. I can't believe Luke Shaw can walk out with his arms folded and say, oh, you know, I promise you we're going to have an excellent season. I can't believe the Man United official social media account on the morning after losing to Hull goes onwards and upwards.

17:46But they've just won. They've turned us into commercial FC. That's what they've done. Commercial FC, get the kits out. People are buying. Doesn't matter if we're shit. We've turned into commercial FC. That's what it is. We've ceased being an ambitious football club. We've ceased being... First game of the season's gone and we're not winning the league. We're not winning the league, are we? We're not. We all know it. Right, Wayne, what are we doing here today? Filming promo for a new podcast. Me and Mark Oldbridge. What's the podcast called, Wayne? I don't know. What is it called? Oh, that was good.

18:27Wayne is a player. Exactly what Man United was all about. And I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything. What would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's just... We'll be reacting to all the games. Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories. Just have my socks on and my underpants. Good. Hopefully no sackings. A whole floor. He's gone first on Baltimore. I think we will have to beat. That's why I was saying you can go first. I did. On the volley. United. Oh, perfect. On the pitch, off the pitch. I've got a little goal in my garden. I'd have saved that, to be honest.

19:01State to United. It's coming soon. Right, let me get into some of your comments. There are a few bits coming. Oh, hold on, just before I do that. Apparently, Balde, who's been linked to United, has been left out of Barcelona's squad to face Elche. today. Look, I don't know what's going to happen. Around the transfers, this is what we know. I'll tell you what, that was a nice kit, to be fair. That was a nice kit. And I got Ronaldo on the back for it. I said, we're not sending that to charity. That's going to be a collector's item, that is. I think that was his first away kit, wasn't it, when he came back?

19:40Lovely kit that was. I'm as bad as them. I'm as bad as them. Oh, God, I've been commercialised. I've been commercialised. What's going on? No, look, let me talk to you about transfers. So, Balde, some people, look, I suppose the first thing I need to do here is just say, do you, because I don't know what you think. Do you want Balde? I mean, we do this with all the targets and we haven't done this. Do you want bold out left back? That one's still there as well. God, they're all here. I had a great aim there. Three. Put me up front for United. I couldn't stand that one. I never liked that one. Yeah.

20:23Anyway, look, my big concern with Carrick is, and I think I got asked this question here. I'll answer it in a minute, actually, about Rashford. My big concern with Carrick is I think he has favourites. And I think that in relation to Luke Shaw, I think if Luke Shaw's fit, he plays every game.

20:53If Favell is good at his job and Man United are a proper football club, explain to me why we don't sign Lewis Hall. We've bought no homegrown players this summer. Tillemans, Santos and Belaba, none of them are technically homegrown, I don't think. Maybe Belaba is, but I don't know. You've got to be three years under your 21st birthday. I don't think any of them are. We've bought no homegrown players, which will start to hurt us when Luke Shaw leaves and Harry Maguire leaves. We haven't got a lot of homegrown players. He's a brilliant left back and he's young. He's a prospect, technically. I don't know why we're not signing Lewis Hall.

21:29It makes absolutely no sense to me. This is the club that, you know, this fits with everybody. Wilcox will want him, Barada will want him, Carrick will want him, and most importantly, Favell will want him. Because the reason we didn't sign Kone is because Favell doesn't want players in their mid-20s. He wants 22-year-olds. So Lewis Hall is absolutely perfect for Man United, but from the board, too expensive. So the player we should be signing, again, just the same as we should have signed other midfielders, we're not signing because they're too expensive. Which leaves us with Balde, who becomes a risk.

22:03Balde becomes another risk, just the same as Belaber, just the same as Santos, just the same as Tillamont. And that risk is they might not be good enough and they might be cheap, pay twice. We should be going for Lewis Hall. We're clearly not going to do it. So do I want Balde? I have to agree with 68 % of you at this late stage in the window. He has to have some talent because he played for Barcelona and it's got to be better than Luke Shaw. So yes, I would take Balde. Is it the left back I want? I have never. I did a video back in May, March, about top five midfield targets of which Balde was not there.

22:43It was Trufferts. It was Hall. It was Mattson. It may well have been Brown of Frankfurt. And I can't remember the other one. So I don't put Balde in my I'm not sitting here saying we've gone and got plan A again. We're back onto plan D, E and F. But at this late stage, we need a left back. Look, Luke Shaw yesterday wasn't any worse than Bruno or Maguire or any other player. But I call Luke Shaw bang average. It's just a bang average left back. You know, he did get forward a little bit yesterday, but defensively was crap. And there's no future with Luke Shaw. We need a left back. And I don't think a lot of people think it's Dorgue or Amas.

23:29so we do need a left back and I would take Bolday but it's a risk but I would say to the people that don't want him who are you going to get then? I'd rather take Bolday than the kid from Santander and we're not getting Lewis Hall so for me Bolday is like Belaber he's like Santos it's not the midfielder I want and there is a huge risk but hopefully it will work but I'll tell you this for now if we sign Bolday I think he's sitting on the bench for a while. I think Luke Shaw's going to keep playing for a long time. I think Bolday will have to wait till Luke Shaw gets injured. I think Luke Shaw will start game after game after game after game.

24:08In relation to the striker, and if somebody can explain this to me, please do let me know. So Michael Carrick on his press conference on Friday said that nobody wants to leave. I don't expect anybody to leave. Now, I do not understand how a Manchester United manager can say, nobody wants to leave, so I don't expect anybody to leave. It is your job to tell people to leave. I do not understand how against Hull, when you need to score goals, you bring on Rashford, Lacey Sesco who else did we bring on yesterday? I mean the kitchen sink came on at one point didn't they? Yeah Rashford Sesco Maynew and Lacey came on.

25:09Four attacking substitutions and then Deleuze obviously came on as well. We made five substitutions at 2-0 down and none of them was Urksi. as Savage says why is he still here what look I have two issues here it's August the 23rd and Xerxes still doesn't want to go and Man United haven't told him to go my interpretation of that is you've got a player with no ambition and you've got a club who would rather keep somebody they don't want than spend money on somebody they do I think this is pure financial I do I don't think there's any logic to this at all. Carrick doesn't want to use him. Amorim didn't want to use him.

25:51Ten Hag barely used him. He's been here for two years. He's got to wake up every morning and go, I'm not wanted, but still wants to stay. And then Carrick's not telling him to go. The club's not telling him to go. I mean, is this not an exercise in lack of ambition? He isn't wanted. We don't want him. But nobody will leave. And I think United won't get rid of him because they're like, if he goes on loan, we've got to spend 40 million on a replacement. I don't want to spend 40 million. Only Man United would do this. He is basically staying in case we get loads of injuries. He's not staying to be used at the moment.

26:36Well, get rid of him. You know, Man City, Everton, any football club would get rid of him to get somebody better in. But we just don't want to spend the money. We don't. We clearly don't want to spend the money. So that's why we're in this position. This should have, you know what, this should have been done on June the 1st. June the 1st. Come in, Joshua. How are you doing? I know you're having a good time here and I know you're very popular, but get out. I don't mean literally get out now. I mean, like, I want you to go. We'll find you a club, but get your agent. You go and enjoy your holidays.

27:09Watch the World Cup. Get your agent to find yourself a club. Come back to me in a couple of weeks. We'll find you a club. You'll be in for pre-season. You can get out now, okay? Why was that conversation not done? I almost feel at Carrington, if Carrick's walking down the corridor with Wilcox and Serks, he's walking the other way. Someone like, quick, talk about something else. Talk about, talk about, talk about, talk about Sticky United with Wazza. Let's talk about that, yeah. Yeah, let's talk about that. Oh, he's gone now. Stop talking about that because Goldberg just slagged us off. It's just weird to me.

27:42It's weird to me why we're keeping a player that is not trusted. You know? Yeah. Robert McCormack says, Beth tweeted he should start on Saturday. Yeah, but look, everyone's entitled to their opinions. I bet Ricky gave Luke Shaw man of the match yesterday. I ain't got a problem with opinions, but look, maybe Xerxes should be used more. I'm not saying he shouldn't be used more. I mean, I've never been asked that question, so I don't have to answer it. But my point is, he's not being used, is he? And he shouldn't be at the club. So as far as a striker goes, I would say there is a chance we're going to keep Xerxes.

28:15But even if we let Xerxes go, what are we going to bring in? I can't see us writing a check. A check. I can't see us writing any check. I think this would have to be a loan deal on the final day of the window. and it could be Ivan Toni, I doubt it because he's got a court case Mateta would cost money and failed a medical in January so whatever we're going to do I think he's going to lack ambition isn't it so look I would definitely take Balde at this stage but it's very much like Belaber isn't it, it's very much like Santos, are these the plan A options, no they're not and look I'm going to ask this to Wayne on stick to United because he'll give an honest answer.

29:01Do you think Carrick has been given the players that he wanted? And I don't think he has. I think he's in a situation like his. Do you want Balde in the last week of the window? Yes. Is it the left back you wanted? No. Is Belaber the centre midfielder you wanted? Well, I'll take him now, but it wasn't the one I wanted. And I think that's something I think some people get there. some people won't shout about this. For me, it's always been important. I remember saying it under Mourinho. I remember saying it under Van Gaal. Managers need plan A and B. You can't keep giving them plan D, E and F. And it's been going on for a very long time.

29:45And some fans just don't figure it out. Players, journalists, ex-players, they don't figure this out. They go, well, he's been backed. He's had£150 million of midfielders. but what if Belaber was Carrick's plan F? What if Santos was his plan E? What if Tillemans was his plan D? He's missed out on A, B and C.

30:08Think about it. When you open up your Christmas present at Christmas and it's, you know, on your list, it's option five. I wanted option one, two, three, four, really. I mean, this is, you know, thank you. Thank you. it was on my list, but it's not actually really what I wanted. But I am, you know, and that is a big impact for a manager. Of course it is. Of course it is. And it's almost too technical for some people to understand it. If I'm rebuilding a midfield and I want Mateus Fernandes, Elliot Anderson and Edison or Jao Gomez or Stilla or whatever, and I end up with Baleba, Tillemans and Santos, it's not that they're bad players.

30:57I just didn't get anything I wanted. And I think that's a good point, right? Let's pretend Carrick wanted Chumini, Mateus Fernandes and, I don't know, Alex Scott. Alex Scott, Mateus Fernandes and Chumini, okay? Would have cost a bit of money, but there we go. Why shouldn't it be that three, by the way? I'm fed up of people acting like accountants. 20 years ago, you'd just go get Scott, get Mateus Fernandes, get Chumini. No one would be there going, well, the debt. So imagine, right, imagine like Carrick wanted Chumini, Mateus Fernandes and Alex Scott, yeah? And he ends up with what he's got. I would be saying, look, okay, I wanted Scott, Fernandes and Chumini.

31:42It would have been great. It would have been great. And, you know, even in my heart of hearts, I didn't expect you to get all three. Ciuramini's not even left Real Madrid. But I would have expected if I wasn't getting Ciuramini and I wasn't getting Scott, you'd still get me one of them. I wouldn't have expected you not to get me any of them. You know, maybe you would have got me Tillemans, Mateus Fernandes and Santos. Or maybe you would have got me Ciuramini, Balaba and Tillemans. Or maybe you would have got me Alex Scott and Santos and Balaba. but you didn't get me any of them. And I think that is very important.

32:21We have bought three midfielders but I don't think any of them were actually Carrick's first picks. So whose fault is it when it goes wrong? If I'm the manager and it goes wrong I'm going to say, look I was happy for you to give me those players and they were on the list but if you'd given me plan A we wouldn't be in this position. It's the same as Oli, isn't it? When he got Van de Beek he didn't want Van de Beek. I think Van de Beek was option four. and it's happened to loads of managers. Look at Mourinho, wanted Perisic, got nothing. Look at Amrim, wanted a midfielder, got nothing. So the blame always goes back to the very top.

32:57Enough is enough, we need to act now, says Irish Ghost. Let me get into your comments. This may be complete and utter nonsense, but the last two games clearly illustrate how much we missed the guy with the number seven shirt, says Fluffy. What, Mount? Piss off. Oh, by the way, by the way, I forgot to ask, but I presume it's fine. We had a problem with the camera yesterday. To me, it looks pristine. In fact, it looks better than it ever has done. But let me know if there are any problems. It should be perfectly frame rate and looking better now than it did yesterday. Apologies for yesterday. We just had to get through it.

33:30So apologies for that. Mark, you told Rooney we'd finish third. Do you still think we are the third best team in the league? Surely one result can't change your analysis, says Sokka. No, absolutely not. But yeah, lots of people saying it looks good. Great. I'm glad that got sorted. I look.

33:53I absolutely. One hundred percent. Always want. Manchester United to win games of football. Always. And I have a CV of United winning games where people think it's embarrassing and I celebrated and got a load of shit for it. So I think it's just another tactic from the people who call us negative, want to get proved right, get absolutely humiliated yesterday. And then there's a lot who say, I knew this was coming. Oh, they're not real United fans. They celebrate us losing. Yeah, never done that. Never going to do that. Just calling out that you were wrong, that it wasn't a good summer and we're not in a good position.

34:39So their new tactic is to say, even though we've been proven right that it was a crap summer and we've got crap owners, we actually celebrate United losing. That's their way to get at us today. Total bollocks. Absolute nonsense. We've lost one game of football because we had a crap summer and we're not prepared and that's unacceptable. But we can still finish third. We can still finish third. I am not going to sit here. I saw somebody yesterday saying Carrick out. I looked at their timeline two weeks ago. They were slagging me off, calling me negative. I'm like, you couldn't write this. You couldn't write this.

35:14But that's the flip flop nature of the fan base. It deals in extremities. It's red or green, nothing in between. I'm very frustrated with the way the club's being run. And that's why we lost yesterday. But we can still finish third because you know how we can finish third. We can sort out the issues quickly and start winning games. Also, we could have a rollercoaster season, end up with about 65 points and finish third. Because if Chelsea are shit and Liverpool are shit and Spurs are shit and Villa are shit and Man City and Arsenal are the only two good teams, we can finish third. Last season, we finished third because everybody else was shit.

35:55If everybody else is shit again, I believe we'll get third. if a Chelsea or Liverpool find form we won't get third I don't think we're going to play particularly well this season I think it's going to be a rollercoaster but we can still get third we need to plan for a team without Bruno if he has a bad game we implode says AJ I mean look I do think Bruno was exceptionally bad yesterday it was a bad day at the office I love Bruno but it was a bad day at the office and there was one point in the game yesterday where Bruno got the ball on the left wing with about 10 metres in front of him and he's really close to the edge of the box and you're like, this is the best creative player in world football last season.

36:43With that much space, Cesco's on the pitch, he's going to put this on Cesco's head, it's going to be 2-1 and he completely overhit it and I thought at that point, he's just having a bad game and it can happen, you know, it can happen but when it happens, other people need to step up to the plate and they didn't. Constantine says, how do you think Rashford did yesterday? Look, I understand a lot of people don't want Rashford back. And, you know, Rashford lovers and the media and Rashford himself just need to deal with that. There are reasons. You know, Andy Mitton did a post saying that Rashford was a problem for lots of managers.

37:18We thought he'd gone. The club wanted him gone. He wanted to go. It's weird for some people to see him back at Man United. It's strange. And whilst I'm keeping an open mind, I've got to be honest, bringing Rashford on to save the game in the first game of the season at halftime was strange. It was strange getting the ball to Rashford and going, is it 2022 or is it 2026? So I take on board all of that. Personally, I think he was in the top five players yesterday. And somebody would say, well, that wasn't hard, but we did use about 15 players, didn't we, yesterday? So he was in the top five. I thought Le Mans was man of the match.

37:54Mbomo was probably second. I mean, I'm struggling after that, but I don't think Rashford did bad yesterday. If you want one piece of feedback, and this is my only piece of feedback, there was a point in the second half where Hull, you could see the break coming on the left-hand side. They moved the ball to the right-hand side and Rashford was walking or jogging back and their fullback had gone and their winger had gone. And I think it actually was, I think the pass got blocked by Luke Shaw because if that pass had got through they had a massive overload and I thought to myself if he's going to play on the wing he's got to track back that's the that's the only feedback for me I thought going forward it didn't quite work out but he looked more dangerous than most but he has to track back in the modern game and Rooney said this last week when you've got Ronaldo and he doesn't track back it's Cristiano Ronaldo when you've got Messi and he doesn't track back, it's messy.

38:54You've got Marcus Rashford or Mbamo or Ahmad, you've got to track back. And look, maybe it was because it's his first game. Maybe it's because Carrick told him not to track back. We need goals. But that will become a problem this season with Rashford if he doesn't work hard back. He's got to work hard back. But I thought he did OK when he came on. Episode one of the Amazon documentary, Mauled by the Tigers, says Marlon. Do you think we'll sign players this week. Mate, we've got to. There are nine days left. A week on Tuesday at five o 'clock, Finito is closed. So we have to sign players or a player.

39:35It might be player. If Xerxes is staying, we're only buying one more player. But look, if somebody walked in now and said there's half a billion, I'd be getting a left back, a right back, a striker. And to be honest with you, as mad as this sounds, I'd still be tempted to get another midfielder. And the reason is, if any of Tillemans, Santos or Balaba flop, we're short. I'm almost at the point, we're not going to do it, but I'm almost at the point where I'm like, I would buy another midfielder just to make sure we're okay. But we're not going to do that. We bought three different profile midfielders because we do not know Carrick's style of play.

40:17Manager with a clear style of play knows the type of midfielders he wants, says Tatar. Gifted membership from Paul. Don't forget, it is the Sunday. Check out all our members section stuff. You've got three new exclusive bits for you to check out if you're a member. Make sure you join if you're not. Completely agree with you, but we get to we will be okay, says Charlie. Team stale, new left-back, centre-back, right-back, DMF, AMF, left wing, centre forward, all needed, says Nick. Well, look, one thing I will just go back to Bruno on. We do need to replace Bruno at some point. Now, have we already got the replacement?

40:52Could it be Lacey? Could it be Cunha? Maybe. But that's... The problem with solving your attack last year and your midfield this year and your defence next year is at some point when you're trying to solve problems a year in advance, a year late, other problems happen. we are band-aid FC says Steve until that leadership group goes nothing will change says the beautiful game look there is something there is something

41:24there is something tired look let me just list them off and you I'll make a statement and then in your head you figure out how many years we've been doing this totally reliant on Bruno Fernandes Marcus Rashford the solution on the left wing Harry Maguire our best centre back Luke Shaw our best left back Luke Shaw coming out after matches saying it's not acceptable Deleu our best right back that's six things that I feel have been going on for years and years and years and six things is more than half of an 11 team isn't it so this is what Ralph Rangnick said four years ago about open heart surgery were any have any of those six things ever won as a league title or a champions league no and years later there are six things that are still happening in our first team to me if I was in charge those six things I'm not saying change all of them but at least change 75 % of them there's too many things we've been doing for years look the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome and there may well be other things that we keep doing as well look I could I'd say I could say seven sack a manager halfway way through a difficult project, bring an ex-player in as an interim and then give him the job.

43:02Is that not 0.7 as well? Because we've done that twice. 0.8, spend badly. You know, there's a lot of things that we keep doing over and over again. I agree with you, but Goretzka has Van Gaal era flop vibes. I don't want Goretzka, Ed, but we wouldn't have signed him even if we wanted him. That was my point. I don't want Thiago, but we wouldn't spend£70 million on him anyway. Can't win titles being everyone's best friend, says John. De Ligt has missed 36 games in two seasons. Martinez has missed roughly 184. That's a worry. It is a worry, Glenn, because I think there are two best centre-backs. The start of the season is crucial, but games like Hull are even more so.

43:41Getting six points against promoted teams are a must for challenging teams. The fact that the squad and Carrick don't see the gravity of that is astounding. Yeah, well, Patrick, I think, look, the enormity of the Hull game depends on your mindset. For some people, they just go, it's one game. It doesn't matter, which I sort of understand. For other people like you, you go, it's Hull, that's six points everybody else is going to get. So we've got to make three points up elsewhere. It depends whether you look at it as a sprint or a marathon. Now, Jose Mourinho could look at a season and write down the points next to every game and roughly get what his total is going to be and figure out whether he's going to win the league.

44:21Hull City is six points. So Mourinho would look at that and go, fucking hell, you've messed up my plan on the first game of the season. I've got to find three points from somewhere else to get that target I want. So yes, it's one game, but there are certain games where you'll go, that's got to be six points, whether you want to win the league, stay up or get top five. So we have now, we can sweep it under the carpet and say onwards and upwards, but that's a game with all due respect to Hull where it's a guaranteed three points for a big club. And if you don't get the three points, it's humiliating.

44:56So look, we can definitely bounce back from it. As I said, we'll probably win the Manchester Derby. I think that's got, you know, Ronan Keaton FC. Life's a rollercoaster with Man United. And you'll have these lows and you'll have these highs. That's what a rollercoaster is. But I mean, yeah, it's a problem losing a game like that. And it's a bigger problem mentally because it'll impact the players. Wait and see how bad it gets when we start playing midweek in Europe, Sir Stephen. Yeah, I mean, look, I think this has been signposted by a lot of people. One of the things that's very concerning is that you look at Brentford and you look at Hull and you look at some other teams, even Arsenal, even Coventry.

45:42They all look a lot fitter than us. I mean, I can only talk about the games I've watched, and I've only watched two Premier League games so far, apart from the Man United game. But Coventry, Arsenal, Spurs, Brentford, Hull, five teams, look way more intense and more fit than us.

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48:04this happened a lot last season. Less than 50 % possession. The opposition looked more intense than us. When we went to Everton, they were more intense than us. Leeds came to Old Trafford, more intense than us. So there seems to be something where I would say, let's just see how this develops. But we don't look like a very intense team. We don't look like a very fit team last season and yesterday. How's this going to work when playing two games a week? Because you naturally will be tired. and we haven't got a big enough squad to play one team in the Champions League and one team in the Premier League.

48:37And nobody does that anyway. Nobody picks a team for the Champions League and the Premier League. So it could become a problem. Don't know if it's been said, but if you saw the post-match press, the questions he's getting were so lowball. Journalists all with a sad, calm tone. If it was Amrim, they'd be slating him. English bias, says John. North, he says, poor, weak attack, sloppy defending and no control. Gem says, don't need players to beat Hull. Brentford, same 11. Think it's more of a case we need Balde than he needs us, says Snackman. Marlowe says, subbing Dorgue at halftime is shocking.

49:12No surprise we don't develop players. The first half performance was not on Dorgue. Yeah, but Marlowe, I mean, completely separate point. Very good point. Dorgue is now... The Dorgue situation, I absolutely despair at. When we first brought him in, people were calling him dog shit. When he played on the wing against Arsenal and Man City, people were saying he's the next Gareth Bale and we'll call him Ballon Dorgou. And now he's dogshit again. And the fans have a part to play in this. Like, is he shit or is he going to win the Ballon d 'Or? I, you know, this is, it's not all about the club. It's about the fan base as well.

49:53I like Dorgou. I think he's a young player who's been thrown into a shit show. He came in halfway through the season of our worst ever Premier League season as a kid. I think he must have been about 20. He then saw that manager get sacked. Another manager comes in. He plays really well on the wing, gets a bad injury. He comes back. He's only just come back, really. It's a new season and he's being called shit again. And I'm like, you just... Sometimes, whereas we are to blame. And I think with the door goo stuff, it's like... do you think he's up here or do you think he's down here? Or do you think you should actually just be a bit patient?

50:32He's still a young player. Look, we need to be patient with Santos. We need to be patient with Meini. We need to be patient with Baleba. And we need to be patient with Dorgou. They're all young players in a shit environment. But it feels again like the noise around Dorgou is he's shit again. Well, we're never going to develop players if we like this. And then he'll score a worldie going to be Ballon d 'Orgu again and I'm like you know for me it's a bit like Rashford I'm just going to keep an open mind hope it's going to work support the player and let's see what happens um but look Michael Carrick like Oli Gunnar Solskjaer will never get scrutinized for for developing players if you're Amirim or Ten Hag or a foreign coach if you don't put a youth player on the pitch for an hour you're not developing the youth but if you're Oli or Carrick, it doesn't matter how many minutes you use or if you're not using Yoro or anything like that.

51:26So remember that we've always got this. If you're a foreign player on the pitch, you'll get a lot more abuse than you'll get if you're Mason Mount or Luke Shaw. It's always going to be the way. The response after the match showed how fragile their mentality is. They're all feigning positivity so they don't risk making the players feel bad, says Caleb. They need to kick up the arse. They need to kick up the arse. I mean, I think Luke Shaw coming out like that saying, we're going to have an excellent season says you don't believe it. Body language, absolutely awful. But I don't think Luke Shaw comes out like that if he's just had a bollocking from the manager.

52:02I think he comes out and says, you know, manager's absolutely furious with us. We're furious with ourselves. It's not acceptable. You know, fans have paid money to come here and we've got a lot of work to do. Got a lot of work to do. I don't think, I think that's a better statement than I'm telling you now we're going to have an excellent season. it's almost like they don't believe the shit that's been spoken about. And maybe Michael Carrick in the dressing room before Luke Shaw comes out says we're going to have a good season, lads. You know, it's just there needs to be, as I said last night, there needs to be some shouting and, you know, frustration in that bloody dressing room after that shit yesterday.

52:37I've seen someone on Sky News interview say Eddie Howe will be in by the international break. Outrageous take, but I feel when Carrick does get sacked, Wilcox and Barada have to go. I think Michael Carrick, thankfully, Irish ghost, is very, very safe. And I think the reason he's very, very safe is he's got no personality to cause a problem like Amrim did. They wouldn't have sacked Amrim if he hadn't sacked himself. I think to get sacked as Man United manager, you've got to sack yourself. And I don't think Carrick will do it. So I don't think how, hopefully things won't get bad anyway, but they can't sack him because they have to sack themselves.

53:11If Wilcox sacks Carrick, he's got to sack himself. So I think that this, thankfully, I think Carrick will get time because we can't keep sacking managers. But the question is, will he get the support he needs? Would the fallout from yesterday's result be the same if we did spend on big players or appointed a different manager? Suddenly, a lot of people seem to be waking up to the reality of this season, says Art Areola. Welcome to the Members Club, Tom Richards. Thanks for joining. PFA Awards is this Tuesday after a loss to Hull, says Naveen. Barely crosses defensively weak. Balde is not it, says Caleb.

53:48Thank you very much for that. I've just been sent something here. Let me have a quick look. Erling Haaland's cut his hair. I am doing a... No, I'm doing Liverpool-Newcastle, aren't I?

54:04What's this here? Sorry, I've just been sent something.

54:14I think I feel need to cover this. Did you see match of the day last night? Rooney ripped into Shaw for bad defending. Yeah, well, that's on my list to talk to Wayne about as well.

54:30But look, I have been saying about Luke Shaw for a very long time and some of you have been saying about Luke Shaw for a very long time. William says, never want us to lose. Hopefully yesterday shows the board how poor we are and pushes them to sign quality. If we'd won, fans would have got complacent and too giddy. It was bad, but focus on the board. Exactly, exactly. I don't want to see Caric out. I don't want to see us turning on our players. I think that we're going to have to... Look, I didn't want Belaber. I didn't want Santos. I didn't really want Tillemans. They weren't my number one choice as any of them, and Balde isn't either.

55:03But if we sign Balde with what we've got, I hope they do well and we need to be... It doesn't matter who the signing is. You've got to be patient. You have to be patient. I thought Santos was crap yesterday. I thought Tillemans was crap yesterday. but look, so was Bruno Fernandes. So was Luke Shaw. They've been here for years. We need to give some leeway to our younger players and our new players. Aidan Heaven's a teenager. You know, we do need... It's like, I saw something today about Bruno Fernandes being the blame because Portugal were crapping the World Cup and, you know, it did well in pre-season and when Bruno came back, we started doing badly and basically Bruno Fernandes is the problem.

55:40We'll never be good with Bruno Fernandes. and I sort of like go, oh my God, we'll never be good with Bruno Fernandes. Okay. He's just won Premier League Player of the Year. He got the Premier League assist record. He's the reason we got to third place, but we'll never be good with Bruno Fernandes. So what are you telling me? If Bruno wasn't in the team last year, somebody else would have got the assist record and would have won the title. Like, come on, have a word with yourself. the quest to be stupid first is laughable. So Bruno Fernandes is suddenly the problem in the Man United side after one game against Hull, where he did play badly.

56:23But are you seriously going to use your mouth or are you talking out your arse? Bruno Fernandes is the problem at Man United. I'm telling you now. Pick a card. Bruno Fernandes is the problem at Man United. We were passing the ball around so well in pre-season. What? Pre-season that means bloody nothing. Talk about real games. from January to May, Bruno Fernandes was the best player in the league and got us into third place with the most assists. Do you know what an assist is? It's unselfish. An assist is giving an opportunity to somebody else. It's not scoring goals. It's not tappings. It's assists.

56:59Bruno Fernandes is not only our best player, he's one of the best players in the world. He is not the problem at Manchester United. He had a bad game yesterday. He is not the problem at Manchester United. the problem at Manchester United is a board that won't surround our best players with players that can do it when he's bad the problem with Bruno Fernandes is is if he plays bad we lose the problem with Bruno Fernandes is we're a bit of a one-man team the problem with Bruno Fernandes is this board won't give him the players to make us title winners Bruno Fernandes is not the problem at Manchester United very very far from it thank you so much everybody for tuning in.

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58:14Definitely got a morning show tomorrow. Obviously, if anything happens, we'll be live. But I'm not convinced we're going to do an eight o 'clock show tonight. We'll see how the news goes. If we do do a show, it might be a late show. It might be more like a 10 o 'clock or 11 o 'clock. In fact, that's probably what we will do. Thank you so much for tuning in. Welcome to the new members. Don't forget to check out all the new members content that you can check there. That'll be nice Sunday viewing, and I'll speak to you all in a bit. Take care.

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