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1:27Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news as United frantically try to rescue a situation that will not be rescued. And the question has to be why are we looking at Eddie Howe over better manager options? Because Michael Carrick is gone. I think Man United maybe haven't realised that yet. They're not intelligent in the football world to realise that Michael Carrick is gone. but they do keep squirming and shifting and trying to put the blame onto other people. But the reality is Michael Carrick is in dead man's shoes as a manager.

2:00There will be no coming back from this and we'll explain why in a moment. But lots to get into. I don't think I was actually live with you yesterday. I felt like I did a lot of content with you yesterday but I don't think I actually did any live content. Obviously reacted to the press conference, haven't had any live interaction with you about that. Did the preview with no Bruno Fernandes in the team. But look, just on Bruno, because we probably will talk about Bruno in a moment. Do you not think with Bruno Fernandes, he's just that guy who has realised that he's wasted the best six years of his career on a lie?

2:31And if you put yourself in those shoes, would you be smiling? Because I've heard so many of you over the last six years say that Bruno Fernandes is wasting his career at Manchester United. And I just think he's woken up and realised it. And I'd be massively pissed off if I was him as well. And I've heard Roy Keane talk out after bloody matches before about lack of ambition. So the hypocrisy in this country, even the hypocrisy of Michael Carrick is laughable. A player comes out and questions the ambition of a football club that factually is on its arse and he is the villain. And also, there is no doubting that Bruno Fernandes is one of the greatest players that's played in the Premier League in the last 10 years.

3:14He has wasted his career being lied to. I'd be pretty pissed off as well. But look, let's talk about Michael Carrick first, because is he gone? A lot of people are saying, has he been sacked? It's not a fake title. He hasn't been sacked, but Michael Carrick will be sacked. And you can come back and say, you know, you can say Goldbridge is right. He's gone. He's absolutely gone.

3:39But Manchester United don't seem to realise that yet. And what I mean by that is, Jason Wilcox, Sir Jim Radcliffe, Joel Glazer, Omar Barada, maybe even Michael Carrick think they are in control. But this is why they failed at Nice. This is why Wilcox isn't good at his job. This is why Carrick is inexperienced. They think because they're in a position of power that they are more powerful than everybody else. But in football, it doesn't matter whether you own a club, manage a club or the CEO of a club. You don't actually make decisions. you react to what needs to happen. And what they haven't realised at the moment is you've got Jason Wilcox going, I don't want to sack Michael because it makes me look crap and I might get the sack.

4:23You've got Sir Jim Radcliffe going, I don't want to sack Michael because I want more champers and I don't want to spend any more money. And you've got Carrick going, oh, the dressing room's with me. I'm 100 % the right guy, despite the fact that we've had six weeks of you proving you're not the guy. There's a load of people in denial. But the reality is we all know football. And the reality is I wasn't sat on my arse yesterday. I was here, there and everywhere speaking to lots of different people. That dressing room isn't behind Michael Carrick. The people who come out screaming, we're behind the manager, they're behind me.

4:58Never listen to them. Never listen to them. Why are you talking about it? If you've got the dressing room, you don't even need to bloody talk about it. He hasn't got the dressing room. He hasn't got the fan base. And we're not very good. So whether we beat Bournemouth, Chelsea, Villa, after the international break, at some point we will be back here staring into reality and he will have to go. And that's the fact. Like there is no coming back from this. He has lost the fan base. there is nobody out there I you know what under Moyes under Van Gaal under Oli um under Mourinho there was always even to the very end a faction of fans that were you know maybe in the minority but going you know sticking with the manager I haven't heard anybody speak positively about carry call season I genuinely have I don't even know if it was happening in the summer but not since that whole loss have I heard a United fan stick their head up and go you know what I think he's a good manager I do I think he's a good manager and I can see what he's trying to do and look there is absolutely no abuse flying the Carrick like maybe there was with 10 Argon other managers that's not happening and I'm very very happy about that because I think the respect for Michael Carrick in this fan base is you know up here but there is no respect for his coaching like nobody's like oh yeah this is the guy it's he's gone it's absolutely gone and there will be no way back from this.

6:26So if people are stressing about Carrick being here for the next three years, I don't think he'll be here for the next three weeks. He is gone. Like he has lost players in that dressing room. He has lost support in the boardroom and he has lost the fan base completely. So look, for me, it's about when United decide to do something about it and who comes in next. Now, it could be at the end of the season. It could be Christmas. It could be Monday morning, but he is gone at some point. He's only got a contract till the end of next season. They're never going to give him a new contract. He's gone.

7:01He can't. Trust me, the owners of this football club already know that he's not getting a new contract. They already know he's not the guy. Now they might try and push it as far back as they can to save a little bit of money but he is gone. It's just a matter of when and you know what? I've seen a few people defending the press conference yesterday. If I'm going to be honest and I have to be honest right? There are things that I'm not very good at, right? And there'll be things that you're not very good at. And Michael Carrick is not a leader of men in a press conference environment. He is not a public speaker because whether that was a script he was reading from or not, the lack of eye contact, the head down, the lack of passion, really, it wasn't inspiring.

7:47And that's why people felt it was scripted. That's why people didn't really see it as anything other than PR, it wasn't inspiring. And most importantly, who needs to be inspired? You, the fans and the players. And the fans weren't inspired. And I don't think the players will be inspired either. And the worst mistake they made in that as well is that in some ways it's won because the media are thick. And what that press conference did was go, we're Manchester United. These players need to understand that they're playing for Manchester United. They need to do their talking on the pitch, right? And I was thinking about this last night and I thought, this is actually really intelligent what the club have done.

8:33And Carrick's gone along with it to save his job. What the club have done is they've gone, we want to keep Carrick, we want to save ourselves and we want to keep people spending money. Christmas is a busy period. We need to sell kits. We need to sell season tickets. How do we protect Carrick, protect ourselves and keep the money coming in? Did you know as well, I'm not going to name the names because it's not fair, but we have a lot of people who travel to watch Man United games who watch the United stand, and there'll be a lot of people going, I got that. Did you know, I know people that went out to Como in the pissing rain to watch an absolute bag of shit on Wednesday.

9:09They'd barely got home and they were getting phoned up by the ticket office saying, do you want to buy corporate packages for Christmas? Welcome to Manchester United. We won't buy strikers. We won't buy left backs. But when we're absolutely fucking shit and people have been drenched to the bone and wasted their money, you can guarantee you'll get a call the next day asking if you want to spend some more. Welcome to Manchester United. And there'll be a load of people in this chat going, Bing, that's happened to me. I've had an email as well. Welcome to Manchester United. Absolutely fucking shit.

9:40Takes the piss out of the fans. But no matter how bad the result is, do you fancy some more? Do you fancy some more tickets? That's Man United now. So what yesterday was about and what Man United are about at the moment, and it's crystal clear to me. Tell me if you agree. Carrick's press conference, which would have been through the marketing department, PR, lawyers, everybody. I mean, I saw Henry Winter yesterday. Very, very, very respected journalist. Right. He basically wrote Carrick's book. So he's going to be pro Carrick the same as he's pro Rashford. Like, you know, some of these journalists have got relationships.

10:18but he was basically saying what a what a what a brilliant interview it was but what a brilliant speech it was by Michael Carrick um and I replied to him I don't normally get involved and I said come on Henry you're an intelligent guy you you know look right if I walk into the United stand today and I go if I'm my United manager and I walk in today in my rubbish trousers and I go right, forget everything. I'm just going to riff. I'm going to get fired. I have to. I have to tell them what I'm going to say. And what was said yesterday was that it's not the board's fault. It's not my fault. It's not the owner's fault.

10:57It's the player's fault. Manchester United is a club with great history, resilience, Ryan Giggs, Wayne Rooney, Sir Alex Ferguson. These players need to do their talking on the pitch. Basically put all the blame on the players. That's what they did yesterday to protect themselves. That's what happened yesterday. And a lot of the media swallowed it. Some of our fan base swallowed it, but it won't work. It won't work because you cannot blame the players for Manchester United's situation. But only the players can save Carrick and Wilcox and the board. So what they did is they put all the blame on the players under some bullshit lie that were Manchester United.

11:43And their hope is that the players will respond enough to keep them in a job. And that's all we saw yesterday. And in a way, it's quite clever because you're deflecting the blame and some people have swallowed it. But in another way, it takes about three seconds to go, hold on a minute. I can see a lot of holes in this argument. So it's the players' fault that Man United are shit. You coach the players, you train the players, you buy the players, you won't sell the players, you set the budget. Like everything about this team is not about the players because if the players are the problem and I agree we do need to change and bring players in, they can't do anything about that.

12:24Michael Carrick can do something about that. Jason Wilkots can do something about that and the owners can do something about that. So we basically just got lied to yesterday to protect themselves. But the great thing is, if I was a Man United player, I'd look at yesterday and I'd go, I don't see a manager protecting me or helping me. I see a manager protecting himself and the club and the board. I see, if I'm a Man United player, I see myself being thrown under the bus to the Wolves because that's what yesterday was. That was absolutely self-preservation. How anybody can sit there and talk about Manchester United and the past and what we're all about when you've coached a team like that for two months with no energy and no intensity and you're putting people out of position and how somebody can help him say that with that summer transfer window.

13:15I thought it was, you know what? Yesterday I thought it was spin. Today I think it was disgusting. I think it was absolute deflection. Absolute deflection to deflect away from who's really responsible and put it onto the players. And I think that was disgusting yesterday. But you know what? I'm not surprised. It's classic United. And if anybody wants any corporate tickets for the Christmas period, I'm sure you'll get a phone call very, very soon. It's nonsense. It's absolutely nonsense. But look, Carrick will go. The question is when it will happen. The scary thing is, and this is not an excuse.

13:51This is not a reason not to do it, by the way. Absolutely not, right? The scary thing is where we will go next. because I just think we have to be really honest here, right? And as much as there's talk about Emery, he probably wouldn't want to come and we wouldn't pay the price anyway. As much as there's talk about Conte, Wilcox would be terrified of Conte. Wilcox will absolutely block that. He doesn't want somebody better than him who's going to tell him his shit, so that won't happen. Now, Guzman, Wilcox will not want Favell to get over him, So that won't happen, which leaves the only option that Man United want is a safe puppet who won't cause any problems.

14:38Well, there's two that instantly spring to mind. There's the unrealistic, it will never happen, surely, Gareth Southgate. And there's the realistic, what the fuck's going on here, Eddie Howe. But obviously, I completely agree that Michael Carrick needs to go. because he's not up to the job. But what we're left with is a bigger problem than Carrick, which is Jason Wilcox, who is definitely not up for the job. So two things can be right. Michael Carrick needs to go. In my opinion, he needs to go and he will go. It's just a question of when. The scary thing is when that correct decision is made, the person who made that bad decision in the first place makes the next decision.

15:23And I think that's really important, Right. You know, forget Carrick for a moment. Who appointed him? Jason Wilcox. Who was in the club of we shouldn't sign? We shouldn't give the job to Michael Carrick. Me and some of you. So why is it the fan base can see these problems? We're not paid. We're not paid to rebuild Man United. I wish we bloody were. But you know what? The reason the United stand has done so well over many, many years is because it's blown the doors off on football is full of specialists. Football's full of fucking idiots. Whether it's some prat sat on the radio who used to play the game talking shit, or whether it's a CEO or a director of football or an owner talking shit.

16:05The great thing about social media is it blew the doors off on this myth that people in football are on a higher level to us mere mortals. because we have a voice, we can register that voice before it's done and keep receipts. And where we've ended up with this director of football is where many of us predicted we would end up. So it's terrifying to me that he will at some point have to write his ridiculous decision on who he recruited as manager. But where will he go next? Because he's proven himself to be absolutely incompetent. So, look, one thing I would always say, and I think many of you would agree on this because we've been doing it long enough, never listen to the media.

16:59Never listen to Lookhurst and Co. They know nothing about football. You know, they're just journalists with an editor, you know, and they change their mind like the weather, depending on whether they're and I get an interview or something, which I understand, they're paid journalists. Never listen to journalists. Don't listen to them about who they think the manager should be. British journalism is riddled with British bias as well. So never give a shit about the media. What is the media now? Anyway, there's a new media in town. So never listen to the media. They probably will want Eddie Howe because he's an English manager at Man United, just the same as they wanted Dean Henderson in goal instead of De Gea because he was English.

17:38Like, never listen to the media. So ex-players, mixed bag. Let's be honest. Some of them are absolutely stupid. Some of them have relationships with other people. Some of them are very good. Listen to the bloody fans. Listen to the fans. Because the great thing about our fan base and Liverpool's fan base and Arsenal's fan base is you'll always find an idiot. And maybe I'm that idiot. But if you listen to the overall, you get the right message. There will be people saying, let's stick with Carrick and give him a three-year contract, there will be people saying, let's get Eddie Howe. But the vast majority will be saying something very, very clear.

18:19Like we've got a poll at the moment. Do you want Carrick to stay? 76 % say no, 24 % say yes. Don't listen to the 24%. Wilcox would be there going, so you're telling me there's a chance. Don't listen to the 24%. Listen to the majority. I am going to run another poll here. This is only United stand, but there's 12 ,000 people watching, right? Now, I'm not saying send this to Jason Wilcox, but I don't know what the answer is going to be, right? Who do you want as next United manager? And let's just go for the three available ones because we know they won't spend any money. So we're not going to put in people like Pochettino or Emery.

19:02So we've got Conte. We've got Howe. and I'm literally saying how is he there and Nagelsmann you vote, we'll come back to that but running a football club is actually very easy if you communicate with your fans it's almost, you know what I know we all love an analogy here, right but if I do a stand-up show like Ricky Gervais which I probably can do Ricky will take it around before he takes it on a live tour to test jokes. And to be honest, I've done a bit of stand-up on the live shows. I'm not saying it's very good, but I respect any stand-up comedian because I wrote funny jokes and no one laughed.

19:47And then things I didn't think were very funny, people did laugh. So that's why you try it out, right? But do you understand the message, right? If you're a comedian or you're running a film or whatever, never be so arrogant to think you're funny and never to be so arrogant to think that your script is better than anybody else's, right? You need to test that film in front of an audience and see how it reacts. You need to test your comedy and see how an audience reacts. Why do Man United not listen to the audience? Football is the definition of an entertainment industry. And United seem to have completely and utterly ignored this, right?

20:28You know tomorrow when there's 75 ,000 people there, that's your audience. They're not your customer. They're your audience, you thick prats, right? They don't seem to have realised this. Listen to your audience. United haven't listened or communicated to their audience since Sir Alex Ferguson left. So when you're thinking about, I can't believe how easy Jason Wilcox's job is. Like, listen to your audience. But no, what they do is they think, I know best. I know best with all my experience at Southampton and Leeds and Blackburn. I know best for Manchester United. Mate, you have literally got ChatGBT in the ground, in communities like this.

21:15Like, if you listen to your audience, you will be very good at your job and you will learn. But they don't listen and they do not communicate. So when Carrick goes, what they do next, I can't guarantee will be better. But what I can guarantee is there is a better option. It's whether they're going to make that correct choice or not. But they don't communicate. And let me say this as well. In defence of Carrick, because regardless of what anybody says, I will not go in on Carrick the same way maybe I did on Ten Hag or Mourinho or Van Gaal at the end. There's a huge amount of respect for Carrick.

21:58What the hell is Michael Carrick doing, walking into a press conference yesterday and saying, before I answer any of your questions, let me just do a speech? What the hell is that? Why is he doing that? That is the job of the director of football, the CEO or the owner. It is not the job of a manager to sit there and talk about Manchester United and resilience. That is not his job. He is the manager and he's underperforming and he needs to be exposed to the questions about why we're underperforming. Will Bruno start? Why have got low possession? Why are players playing out of position? He's under pressure.

22:41And that interview, yes, that press conference yesterday should have been him having to answer questions on why things are going wrong. He shouldn't have been doing that bloody speech. That should have been from the director of the football or the CEO telling Man United fans at the start of a very shit season what's going on and their end of the lesson. Carrick should never have been doing that. And you know what? You know what? You know what makes me laugh about that?

23:10You know when your mate kicks the ball over the garden and you're all playing in the back garden and your mate kicks the ball over in the back garden? Obviously, this doesn't happen now. It used to happen a lot in the 90s. Or you're down the local park and someone kicks the ball in someone's garden and you're all like, we need the ball back. But no one dares go and knock on the door. And somebody goes, oh, I'll do it. And then you push them forward, right? That's Michael Carrick. 98 of the top 100 U.S. accounting firms trust Bill to simplify and secure Bill Pay. That's proven financial infrastructure built on over a trillion dollars of secure payments.

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25:02Probably not even his ball, right? That's what we saw yesterday. I think it'd be a great idea if somebody goes out and talks about Manchester United and takes one for the team. Who's going to do it? Well, I don't think I should do it as the CEO. Well, I don't think I should do it as director of football. I'm not doing it as the owner. Michael, Michael, can you come up? Michael, yeah, you're under a lot of pressure, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, your job's on the line, isn't it? Well, look, we really like you, but look, results aren't great. If you could go out and do a big speech before, that'll massively help us.

25:37You know, and if you help us, we'll help you. And that's what yesterday was all about. Throwing Carrie out there to do their job, basically. That's bought me a little bit of time. I just want to see where we are as a fan base at the moment. We've had nearly 5 ,000 votes. Who do you want as the next Manchester United manager? It's really interesting, this. And this is gold. This is absolute gold for Manchester United, right? 80 % want Carrick gone. Who do you want as next United manager? 12 % Eddie Howe. Locked 44 and 44 on Narl Wussman and Conte. Well, your job's done, lads. Your job's just been done for you.

26:20Those three managers are available. Nobody wants Eddie Howe. It's Conte or Nagelsmann. Make your choice. You are going to make the fan base very happy if you get Conte or Nagelsmann. You're going to give the fan base a little bit of optimism and you're going to make a decision that makes incompetent people look competent. you're all sat in a boardroom massaging your own egos we've just done the work for you in five minutes you go for Conte or you go for Nagelsmann because that's what your customers want that's what your customers want if you're in a pub and everybody likes your pie on a Wednesday and then on a Wednesday you go I'm fed up a pie let's do what I like let's do I don't know beans on toast and no one wants it and you get criticized listen to your fucking customers come on for me who would i go mark uh who would you go mark um look personal preference um i i i think i'm at a point with a manager now where i don't blame the players what's going on at the moment because we should have got rid of players players can't sell themselves i mean look Let's run through why it's not the player's fault in my mind.

27:43Xerxes is sat on his arse doing fuck all in year three and he should have been booted. Why is it Xerxes' decision to leave Man United? Whose fault's that? It's not Xerxes' fault. If I'm told I can sit on my arse and earn whatever money I am on, and let's remember he doesn't want to go, so I can sit on my arse not playing, earning good money, and it's my choice, whose fault's that? Luke Shaw, Mason Mount, DeLoe whose fault's that? Bruno Fernandes has given everything to this football club over the last six years who let him down in the summer and has made us shit? It's not him so the fitness level of every single player is shit whose fault's that?

28:26it's not their fault so they're not good enough but a lot of why they're not good enough is down to other people or why they're still here or why there's not better players here. So what happens for me is if you bring Conte in or you bring Nagelsmann in and I hear the players don't like that they're being trained hard, the players don't like that they're going home in the dark, I'm like, yes, I love this. I absolutely love this. So look, I expect the next manager to come in and be disciplined and I expect the next manager is probably going to have, you know, a battle on their hands for the next few months, but that's not going to be created by them.

29:05But I look at what, you know, Emery has been at Aston Villa four years now today. And he started winning straight away. Gerrard was struggling and Emery came in and he started winning straight away. Emery is probably the best example and Klopp of bringing a manager in at this time and it doing really, really good. So anyway, I haven't answered the question. Would I go for Conte or would I go for Nagelsmann? Well, let me end. Look, Eddie Howe's out. Nobody wants Eddie Howe. So let's just go. Let's just let's just do a poll on either. Who do you want next? Conte Nagelsmann. I mean, look. I don't mind people changing their mind.

29:53Football is literally the sport where you change your mind. I remember after I can't even remember was it I think it was after Ten Hag I wanted Conte because I remember Gary saying Conte no and I don't mind the fact that Gary Nebel doesn't want Conte I don't mind the fact that Roy Keane wants Simeone I don't mind different opinions as long as they are you know communicated in a way that I understand I don't mind having a short term manager I don't mind it. I think we're obsessed with it's got to be for the long term. But Michael Carrick only got a two year contract. That was never long term. Reuben Amrim only got a two and a half year contract.

30:42So that was never, you know, we can talk about long term, but the board don't give long term contracts anyway. I just think there is I was driving back from Manchester yesterday and I had the radio on and people were talking about Conte and Nagelsmann not being long term and I was like I don't know whether anyone else does this when you're driving in a car on your own and you listen to the radio and you start talking at the radio probably no surprise that I do it because I'm literally just talking to a camera at the moment and I was going you're a bunch of fucking idiots no wonder you're on a crap radio station what are you talking about?

31:12we need a manager for the long term but Carrick's contract is two years Amrim's contract was two and a half years. They're short-term contracts. The club are literally giving out short-term contracts to see if you're the right guys that don't get locked in in long-term payoffs. So we're going to give a short-term contract anyway. So people need to get their head around this. We don't need a long-term manager because the club aren't giving out long-term contracts. They are going to give a short-term contract. And if you do well in the short term, you get a long term contract. So we don't actually need a long term coach.

31:47We need somebody that will do well in the first two years. And then you give them a long term coach manager if they want it. So this is what I mean about journalism and the British media. They're so bloody stupid. They don't even look at the facts. We need a short term manager because that's the contracts we hand out now. And also we need a manager that can make a difference in the short term you won't get 18 months to build a team look at what happened with Amrim so you've got to bring somebody in that's going to make an instant impact and then hope that they want to sign a long-term contract and stay so in many ways I think Conte is perfect but I don't think a lot of people have figured that out and hallelujah for this amazing community because we seem to figure things out three months before everybody else Conte fits perfectly because Carrick's contract short, Amirim's contract is short, Carrick is inexperienced and was never going to achieve anything in two years and Amirim couldn't do it in a year so they got rid of them or they will get rid of them.

32:48Conte is a short-term coach so you bring him in you get short-term results and maybe just maybe he's happy and the club's happy and the fans are happy and he signs a longer-term contract So what United absolutely do need at the moment is discipline, results and an identity. And I think both of those managers will deliver that. Conte is probably the one that's a thing about Conte is he's probably the one that brings back aggression and fights and personality. Nagelsmann brings a relationship with Favell which I think is very important but it pushes Wilcox out and St-Gym won't do that but I would go Nagelsmann because I think younger manager looking for a longer term project but will know he's got to do something in the short term has managed big clubs like Bayern Munich managed a national team like Germany big personalities but has also managed a club like Leipzig who are boxing against their weight and he's good at you know highlighting talent and developing talent and plays a good brand of football so for me out of those two I don't think I'd be in a situation where I went if we get Nagelsmann oh fucking hell or if we get Conte oh fucking hell I don't really mind out of either of those two because there is no such thing.

34:22Look, when you're in the sewers, you can't expect to walk into a ballroom and people want to dance with you. We think of shit. Beggars can't be choosers. If there's someone willing to dance with us, take the dance. And for me, Conte, Nagelsmann, if they want this job, and I don't think people have figured this one out as well, the fact that we think we can choose if Conte and Nagelsmann say no, where do we go? So if either of those two want the job, I'm like, yeah. I don't think people realise the extent of the situation we are in. There are still people who think we're Manchester United. We are, well, Herzl apparently doesn't want the job.

35:08So if Conte wants this job, I'll bloody give him the job. If Nagelsmann wants this job, I'll bloody give him the job. If they both want the job, you've got to look at it and go, how much do I want to spend? What do I really want to achieve? And look, there's one thing that goes hand in hand with what the owners want and what I want. And that's Champions League football. Champions League football for them equals revenue. Champions League football for us equals status and enjoyment. so you just break it down to that how do we make sure we're in the Champions League next season well you get a manager that's going to get us in the Champions League next season it's as simple as that

35:5986 million on paying off managers and no money for players we need a miracle worker because any decent manager will not work under this ownership says Double D look I think you've got to take things in stages if you look at the size of the problem it overwhelms you. If you look at, it's like a room that's, it's like going in your bedroom, isn't it? And a leak has broken the ceiling, all your stuff is ruined, it stinks, it's horrible, right? You could get overwhelmed by cleaning that up. But if you said, right, first and foremost, I'm going to start with the ceiling so there's no more leak coming in, and we'll work our way through it.

36:35We can't look, double D, at the whole problem. We have to look at the problem we can solve. We can solve the problem of lack of intensity, lack of coaching, lack of tactics. We can solve that instantly by removing this coach and bringing in, let's say, Conte or Nagelsmann. When they're in, the mood boosts a little bit because you go, okay, that's one problem solved. Let's give this manager backing. But then you have to have the honest conversation of how much backing is he going to get and what is he supposed to do with Mas Raui and Deleu as his full backs so there will still be problems there but I certainly think that if Conte was managing Man United from now to the end of the season it's a lot better than what we've got at the moment so you've just got to take it in stages but look I'm I'm not sat here and I don't think you're sat there thinking changing the manager and we'll make Man United great again and that the conversation's still there.

37:38How does that happen? If they hire Conte, prepare for a new stadium announcement with less seats and no roof. They will shaft us in somewhere or another to bag the money, says Nick P. Conte, for me, will expose those frauds at the top, says JMR. Nagelsmann win percentage at Bayern was 71.4%. For reference, Ancelotti at Bayern had a win percentage of 71.7%. Bayern were one point behind Dortmund in Bundesliga and won all Champions League games before he was fired. I really like Nagelsmann. And the great thing about receipts is, I've said that, I didn't want Carrick. I wanted Nagelsmann. So look, that is, I know it's 51 % for Conte and it's 49 % for Nagelsmann.

38:12I think that's great. I think that's great that, you know, there's a split there because I don't think it's an abusive split. I think it's just, you know, different opinions. I'd be happy with either. I probably would take Nagelsmann though. I like the fact that he's a younger coach with a lot of experience and he has a style of play and the clubs that he's played at all had a very good style of play. He develops young players, which is going to be very important. He gets the best out of what he's got and I just prefer his style of football. So for me, it would be Nagelsmann. There's probably a little bit more risk with him, but everybody's going to be a risk now.

38:57why is Unai Emery not a candidate says Lucid because well I'd say two things with Emery one it would cost 20 million to get him out and United won't spend money on that and two why would Unai Emery give up basically being the sporting director at Aston Villa to be Jason Wilcox's puppet so I just think those two I don't want an England manager we need to appoint a manager not a head coach the board definitely needs help says Mirror Howe left Newcastle because he was tired. Don't think coming to United will be any better for his mental states. He's proud of Paul. Look, I genuinely don't think Man United will go anywhere near anyhow.

39:35I know yesterday people were reporting it, but it was Alex Crook in Talk Sport. And I can't think of many times he's been right. And, you know, I'm not having a pop-up at him, but, like, it was a Talk Sport story. And I can't remember them having an exclusive on Man United ever. So I don't think they're correct. it probably does Eddie Howe good to be linked to Manchester United and it keeps his name in the circle for when he wants to come back, maybe next summer. But Eddie Howe's not the right guy for Man United. You know what? Eddie Howe, it wouldn't surprise me if Wilcox wants Eddie Howe because if you think about it, Omar Barada, Man City, Jason Wilcox, Blackburn, Leeds, Southampton, Eddie Howe, Newcastle, Bournemouth.

40:22These are not United people. And I know Conte and Nagelsmann aren't, but they are different types of coaches, aren't they? I don't think Eddie Howe... What's the point in getting an English Premier League manager who's got no connection with Man United? It doesn't make any sense to me. The fans wanted Ten Hag and Amrim, says Robert. Yes. And Ten Hag won two trophies in two years and Amrim was sacked way too soon, Robert. So I don't think the fans were wrong in that situation. and also what you are missing there is whether the fans want Nagelsmann or Conte doesn't mean that the board won't make their job very very difficult like they did for those two people as well best in class yet the director of football look Robert if we're going to play the fans game I wanted Ten Hag over Pochettino but I also wanted new owners so you should listen to the fans but the fans can't be blamed when a manager fails.

41:21We're just saying we prefer that manager. If you want the real advice, change the fucking board and the owners as well. We don't have the power to do that. And also sell people like Xerxi and Mount and Shaw. So the fans can't, you can't say fans wanted Ten Hag and Amrim and then when it goes wrong, say, well, the fans were wrong. We weren't involved in transfers. We weren't involved in sales. We didn't get to change the board or the owners. So we're not responsible when those managers that we choose fail because of the people around them. Who's to say, can't say Noglesman won't fail either. Best in class yet, the director of football, Wilcox, is allowed to continue after the decisions around manager picks.

41:59Look, I don't know whether it's the right time to say it or not, Mr. Darkseed, but how is Jason Wilcox still in a job? It's baffling. He is... Like, obviously 100 % Carrick needs to go, But any other club would look at the sporting director and go, mate, you need to resign before I sack you. And you've got about two seconds because you're rubbish. You're so bad at your job. Like you said to keep Ten Hag and then you sacked him, having given him£300 million. You pushed for Amrim. You gave him£200 million and then you sacked him halfway through a season because he said you were rubbish. You interviewed two interims, one of which was a previous manager and the other one was his assistant.

42:48He took two weeks to do that. Then you give it to Carrick. Then we were meant to get a proper manager in. Then you give it to Carrick. And then we've got to get rid of him as well. What have you done that's any good? And that's just managers. Let's talk about your transfers, right? Midfield rebuild that needs to be done again because none of those signings look like they're any good and you bought three. Where's my left back? Where's my striker? Let's go back to the previous summer. what did you do last summer? what did we do last summer? oh you rebuilt the attack Cunha is playing out of position Mbermo is playing out of position they were both bought for a manager to play as a 210s behind a striker in a system that you wanted to change what else did you do last summer?

43:30Sesco well that was that was a decent signing but you didn't even want it because that's a Favelle signing and Le Mennes only happened because you wanted to go with an honour and he was fucking shit. So you had to panic and do something and listen to our goalkeeping coach. There's no, I don't think, Wilcox, if there's a list of 10 decisions, I think Wilcox got nine wrong. He's operating on a 10 % hit rate. Timo Werner would be a better director of football than him. I don't know how he's, it's a great question because I don't know how he's in a job. And, but you know where that blame goes to, Sir Jim Radcliffe.

44:13Like, this guy, I've never met him, I've never spoke to him, but all the evidence suggests when it comes to football, he's absolutely clueless. I mean, look at Nice. Lifelong Man United fan. I'm not buying that. Lifelong Man United fan. More like rich fan who says he supports Man United. I bet if you got into a tactical conversation with him, he'd leave the room. Imagine if you wrote down the pub with Sir Jim Radcliffe, right? And he sat down and went, oh, lads, I've got the champers. And you start having a conversation about Man United's best centre-back pairing and how they work together. I'm just going to the toilet.

44:50It disappeared. I think he's one of those guys that pretends to know about football and doesn't because he's so bad. His opinions are so bad. And how he thinks trusting Jason Wilcox, again, is a good idea. It can only be money, can't it? It can only be money. he probably doesn't want to pay. I think we're at a point now where they won't sack people because it costs them money. I genuinely don't. Let's be honest. If you have a cat, you've probably wondered what your house smells like before guests walk in. Thankfully, Arm & Hammer Cat Litter helps take that worry off your plate because not all litters are the same.

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46:59You ungrateful person. I have no... What a load of... I can't believe that. That's real. They've got a members badge. Oh, my God. Give Carrick five more games and bench Bruno. Getting rid of Bruno is more important than getting rid of Carrick. Oh, you know what? Sometimes some of our fans deserve this. You deserve this, Sirius Talk. You're one of those people who deserve United being where they are. Ungrateful. Oh, my God. So Bruno Fernandes, who's kept us relevant for five years, is now the problem. Wow. Well done. I tell you what, the boardroom's having a party. Mission accomplished. There are actually fans out there that have fell for the spin.

47:54It's not the board's fault. It's not the owner's fault. It's not Carrick's fault. It's Bruno's fault. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I have to answer it. Why is it not Bruno's fault? We're in the Champions League because of Bruno. He won Premier League Player of the Year. He broke the Premier League assist record. Like, we're literally in the Champions League and Wilcox is in a job and Carrick is in a job and the Glazers are making money because of Bruno Fernandes. we would not be in Europe if it wasn't for Bruno Fernandes which means worse summer transfer window which sounds impossible but would have been worse Carrick would not have got the job Wilcox would be under pressure I mean look if Bruno hadn't done that maybe we'd be in a maybe the Glazer would be gone but that's my point Bruno literally rescued all those people and they've thrown him under the bus look I saw something yesterday and I can't remember it might have been Simon Stone said that somebody close to the Bruno situation says it feels like he's been assassinated I do I get that I feel like the club and what he's given to that football club it's like that line out of Batman isn't it you know the hero can live long enough to become the villain he made all those careers and they've thrown him to the walls They really have.

49:22And also, you know what? You know when you read Bruno's comments on X as a quote, they come across a lot worse than you actually listen to the interview. How many of you actually listened to Bruno's interview after the game on Wednesday where he spoke about tactics and stuff? His tone, he said what he said, but it wasn't. The written word can be much more powerful than the actual. Mark, before Comar said I wanted Fabregas the game proved why a real club would go and get him and his team Nagelsmann's my second choice says Sam I can't argue with that Blazers is just sitting there letting this happen says Keel my friend and I thought we would let Carrick learn says Sugar everything he says follows a bar bare bones script says Lee I had it after the man derby four phone calls just chilling with Robert this is about people getting phone calls to buy tickets look at the end of the day there is a positive to getting these phone calls from the Man United ticketing office.

50:18It means people aren't buying tickets. And look, I've been to plenty of Man United games and I'm sure you have. I remember taking Seb to his first game last season. It's an amazing stadium and they're going to knock it down.

50:34But it's a lot of money and it's a shit day out at the moment. So, you know, if people aren't buying tickets, people aren't buying tickets. That reminds me actually, just completely off the cuff here. I did that show with Joe Hart yesterday. Really enjoyed it on Overlap Daily. We were talking about Man City. It was 2011. So 15 years ago yesterday was when City beat us 6-1 at Old Trafford. So we were talking about that. And last night, I was looking at some old clips on YouTube last night of like Man United when they were good. and I actually went as far back as 1987 at the GMEX in Manchester Soccer 6.

51:21If anyone remembers what that was all about, it was a six-a-side tournament across three nights where all the top teams would play in a tournament and you had people like Brian McClare playing, etc. So it would never happen now. And then it led into different clips and I was watching, I watched about, I'd say I probably watched about 10 five-minute highlight games of Man United across the years because it just kept recommending others. And what I noticed was, and there was a game where, remember the Man City game where we lost, well, I watched the 6-1-1, but the one where it was the Munich anniversary.

51:58I think it was 50 years, so it would have been 2008. And we wore those replica kits. I was watching it, right? And United weren't playing very well. We were losing. The crowd. the crowd, right? Even though we weren't playing well and we were losing, you could just hear the crowd. This season especially, it's bad, but it hasn't been like this for 10 years. People say it's tourists. It's fucking nothing to do with tourists. I remember going to Watch United in like 2002. There's plenty of tourists there, and tourists are fans that turn up for their first game from around the world, so it's a bit of a...

52:37Some people say it's an offensive term, but that's what it is. they're not the problem trust me if season ticket holders are up for it and singing first timers start singing so the atmosphere in Old Trafford has changed massively and it's even worse this season you go back and watch an old game from United 2008 1998 atmosphere in Old Trafford winning or losing incredible noise, etc. It's not there anymore. It's not there anymore. And that's not the fans' fault. That's not the... You know, who cheers at a funeral? And if you do, you get kicked out. Who cheers at a wedding? Everybody. Man United's home games used to be a celebration.

53:29It's a funeral now because everybody knows the club is dying. The stadium's going to get knocked down. The team isn't good enough. The owners are mercenary. the board are clueless you know it's you're asking fans to turn up and create an atmosphere at a funeral and why why would people don't fake things but you know back then you had a great manager who who was one of you who wanted to win and you felt part of something and whether you were losing or winning you know let's have it they've ripped their soul out of the football club and it's evidence in in the matchday experience. And that's probably why people are stopping turning up because it's like expensive and unenjoyable.

54:16You know, I had it after the man Derby, four phone calls. Thank you very much. Chilling with Robert. The sooner they put this guy out of his misery, the better. His presser was the same sort of nonsense. Most managers spout when they're holding on to their fingernails. Sad to see. Another person saying he's gone. Look, I'll maybe tweak that title a little bit because some people aren't intelligent enough to listen. Michael Carrick is gone as Man United manager. He's not sacked, but he is gone. There is no way back. Maybe people in the club think that there is. He's lost the fans. They're not coming back.

54:51I'm sure if we win tomorrow, there will be few going, oh, let's hope this can work. But there is a point. You are all intelligent enough to know this. There is a point where a manager is gone. Now, Oli was gone after the, I can't remember if it was the Liverpool or the Man City game, but he went to Spurs and won with a back five. And some people thought, ooh, he was gone. He was gone then. It's just a matter of when he goes. He's definitely gone. He ain't going to get the fans back. He ain't going to get the players back. We might get a little bounce. Maybe he'll make it to the international break, but he ain't coming back from this.

55:29To come back from this level of shit, he'd have to go and win the league. And we ain't winning the league. He might bounce and win three or four games, but the minute we lose two more, he's gone. And also the reason he's gone as well is that Man United are now talking to people. So this is how it works. You don't want to sack a manager. You're not talking to anybody else. You don't want to sack a manager. We're not talking to anyone else. Right. We need to start talking to somebody else. you talk to somebody else you like who you're talking to and you're like let's just wait for the time to do it and that's where we are that's where I think United already know where they're going and I think the person they're talking to they're already going that's where we want to go the thing is we just don't know who it is at the moment happy Saturday have a great weekend everyone says Ian and you can you please do a poll me, how or Nagelsmann says Sean Dyches dream on go and do a podcast what happened to the game last night says Ninja what happened to the game last night oh Bundesliga yeah I'd left that last night we were sat there ready to go and we have a feed for the game and we couldn't get it we couldn't get it working so got to about 8 o 'clock we'd missed the first goal and we had to just yeah wrap it I'm on there I'm on there for the City game and the Chelsea game though later would Bruno have spoken out if Martinez didn't says Kiel we'll never know Carrick in, says Kyle, with a Chelsea badge.

57:00Fair play, for being honest. Time Lord asking about the Bundesliga. I'll just answer that. Amano says, both things can be true. Carrick needs to go and Bruno's out of order. You're turning into player FC, Mark. No player should be saying what Bruno said in public. I'm not turning into player FC. And to be fair, that super chat was quite near the start. I've just read it. I'm not turning into player FC. I'm just not looking at every problem and trying to solve it. I'm looking at what I can solve in what order. Think about that room that's been flooded and is a tip. You're going to get overwhelmed by the mess.

57:34I've got to start in a corner. I've got to start with the ceiling and I'll solve every problem, right? For me, at the moment, the players are not the problem. The players haven't been coached properly. They're not fit enough. They're playing out of position. It's chaotic. That Como first 45 minutes is probably the worst I've seen in years. I need to change the coaches now. I'll change the coaches and then I'll see how the players respond to that. But long-term, yeah, players do need to go. But I can't sell a player at the moment. I can't sell a player. I can't loan a player. So you're telling me to drop my captain on 300 grand a week until January.

58:15You've got to be cleverer than that in management. You've got to deal with your problems in the right order. And honestly, if I'm ranking blame at the moment, obviously at the very top it's Ineos and the Glazers then it's the board then it's Carrick and his coaches and then it's the players Marks, Bruno FC I'm definitely not I benched Bruno last night on the preview have you not watched it? maybe you should go and watch it Bruno was benched and he should be benched he has to be benched because Carrick looks weak if he doesn't bench him Bruno has to be on the bench tomorrow I'm not Bruno FC but he's not the problem He just has to be benched because I've had it before.

58:59You know, I've had it before, not in this world, but in a different world. We used to do morning briefings and I was the boss. And in that briefing, somebody who didn't like, who was older than me, probably didn't like the fact that I was the boss, sort of tried to undermine me. And I just was like, look, let's finish the briefing. We'll talk later. But no one's speaking to me like that. And then we went into an office and I said, please don't speak to me. I didn't know. But we took it into the office and they were dealt with. And you can't be undermined publicly as a as a as a as a manager. You just can't.

59:38Whether you don't like confrontation or you do like confrontation, you have to be the boss. and Michael Carrick. I don't think what Bruno said was that bad when you listen to it, but it still was. And look, Fabregas literally said after the game, they didn't man-to-man mark us, so it made it easier for us, which is what Bruno said. But by doing that, he's saying the coaching's crap. And he's right. He is right, but you can't do that publicly. So I can fix this team. I swear I'm a nan's grave, so Sean Dyche. Why is everyone saying Bruno done that from Chris? The ideal would be Nagelsmann. But with this ownership, if Carrick goes, Conte is the man to kick these lads into gear and salvage Champions League to Steve.

1:00:20Look, depending how it goes the next couple of weeks, I think we're nine. I think we're nine points. Let me have a look at the league table because it might get better this week. Yeah, so we're nine points off Brighton. He've got to go to Liverpool tomorrow and we've got Bournemouth. So by the end of this weekend, we could be six points off Brighton, right? However, next weekend, Halloween, we've got to go to Chelsea. So, you know, we have got to look at that league table and realise that the Conference League ain't difficult. Chelsea aren't in Europe. Liverpool are more used to playing in Europe.

1:01:16My big concern is, again, I feel like as fans, we manage the future far better than the board. I didn't want Carrick to get the job. I didn't really like the midfielders that we bought. Mona, Mona, he deserves it. Santos is the next Casemiro. And you do, when you make those opinions public, you do know you're going to get abuse. And I didn't want Carrick and I didn't like this midfield and you do get abuse but then you get proved right and you don't get praised. You don't, but you do get proved right. What worries me is that although it's only the end of October we are drifting and we need to be in the Champions League.

1:02:02Unlike last season the drift was prevented by everybody else getting really tired in the second half of the season and as being fresh. Why was that? Because we played one game a week. From January until May, we're going to be tired. I don't think you can look at the second half of the season and go, I mean, I genuinely think there are people so naive on the United board, they'll be going, last season, Carrick finished the season strongly. He'll do it again. What are you talking about? And it's not because Carrick finishes the season strongly. There were circumstances as to why that happened. We're going to be tired from January till May.

1:02:47It happens to everybody. You know, you get to Christmas, you've been playing twice a week for five months, and then you've got to do it for another five months. I don't see an uptick in our results in the second half of the season like last year. So you have to act now. And I think the club will go, well, we've got time. you know we can stick with Michael till New Year and if we're still nine points off fourth bring a new manager in get the new manager bounce then that's incredibly dangerous incredibly dangerous we need to be in the top four by New Year's Eve because it's I think in the second half of the season we'll drift it'll be a battle because we'll get more tired so but I think they'll look at it and go well we'll give him till New Year like Amorim and then if it goes wrong we'll get the new manager bounce then but we won't get it because we're going to be tired because we're going to play a lot more games.

1:03:36Do you think Howe would be a good choice as F3? Howe has shown he can turn a team of average players into something worth watching. Newcastle at home under him was a torrid place to go. Yeah, I don't... I've got to say Eddie Howe would depress me as a Man United manager. I just think it comes down to personal choice. And whilst I respect what you're saying there, if we got Conte or Nagelsmann, I know I'd be instantly excited. If we got Eddie Howe, I'd be instantly concerned. And you want to be excited. You know what I'm talking about. It's the same with the signing of a player. If we signed Osserman, we'd all be excited, right?

1:04:15If we signed Weghorst, we'd be like, you know, it's the same with a manager. You have to look at it and go, what's the manager that's going to make me feel the most optimism? And Eddie Howe doesn't make me feel optimistic. do you think Nagelsmann or Conte be able to bring their style of play I want to see vision and performance these players never seem to do it look Josh great point and this has been a longer show than normal but I don't mind it great point right what we need to do as a fan base is learn and a year ago when the media and ex-players were talking about Man United need to go to a back four how many fans listened to it quite a lot we didn't need to go to a back four we needed to stick with the system that the players were learning and stick with it.

1:05:04Because by sacking Amirim and going back to a back four, we are where we are now. So if Conte comes in and wants to play with a three or Nagelsmann comes in and wants to play a four, five, one or whatever, stick with it. Don't listen ever again to people talking about formations in the media because Carrick has played weird formations in the last few weeks and no one ever mentions it because it's Michael Carrick. so I don't mind what the new manager does let them do their job right and that's one of the biggest criticisms of Carrick we don't even know what he's trying to do but we can't again start talking about formations and stuff and that was a mistake a year ago without Bruno we would be in the championship says DJ I heard people saying Bruno gets his award uh got his award because of Carrick you know complete load of shit Alex uh haven't I have the next five game home games booked.

1:05:56Kind of regret it. It's just chill with Robert. Well, look, I expect to win tomorrow and we need to win tomorrow. And then we might lose a game and then you might have a new manager for Villa. So it might be not a bad five games, you know? Believe it or not, Wilcox is worse than Woodward, says Liam. Different roles. Woodward was the CEO. Nuno from Wham will be next for United. From West Ham, says Volv. Conte or Nagelsmann, says Sean Dyche. Lacey needs more minutes, says Emma. Biggest potential we have. And odds, Eddie Howe, 8-13. Nagelsman, 5-1. Conte, 10-1. I mean, that's depressing, Robert, for me.

1:06:34Although I get the sense you're Eddie Howe in. Bringing in a new manager won't change anything. There'll be a bump and then the cycle will continue. The club is rotten to the course. There's profit. And as Ors says, I don't think we're mentioning this enough. Four months into Carrick's contract, and we're already talking about replacing him. That is next level incompetence from all involved. well it is but also he's not good enough is he no point appointing good managers says Pete Klopp had no Premier League experience either says Darkseed thank you very much okay I am back live in just over an hour for Premier League watch-alongs you can join me over there for that fantastic show this morning really enjoyed it I hope you did as well get your comments in if you didn't watch live United stand today unless anything happens 8 o 'clock yeah Robert says, I think they're all OK, but risks.

1:07:22For me, as I said, I get a good feeling about Conte and Narl Gussman. I get a bad feeling about Eddie Howe. And look, I have a horrible feeling at the moment around what we're doing. I just, if I'm being completely honest, and I don't know who else feels this, as much as I like Carrick as a player, I can't stand this United side. It's just, it makes me feel angry, fed up, bored. I just don't have a, I just don't, I've checked out if I'm being honest and I don't think I'm checking back in. So I've checked out. So I want to feel excited. I want to feel ambition. I don't care that he's only had the full-time job for four months.

1:08:03That doesn't bother me. If there was any reason to make me think this is a project, then maybe I'd feel differently, but I've checked out and I think a lot of people have. What I want from the next manager is to feel, is to feel excited to feel we're building something and i don't think i'd feel like that with eddie howe so it's narglesman or conte for me uh take care everyone stay safe i'll speak on the next one

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