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1:58Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and this is your latest Manchester United news as Michael Carrick's job is safe for the foreseeable future. And Wilcox and Barada, what's going on at Manchester United? Why are they scared to make changes? And what damage will that do to Manchester United this season? We'll delve into that. We'll also get time to talk about the farce that the Premier League is at the moment. And I'm not just talking about Man United's poor start to the season. I'm talking about the top of the league. I'm talking about the blue side of Manchester.

2:30I'm talking about how we are even meant to respect this league we're in at the moment when the team that's top, we've been told, is a sham. What's going on there? Also, a couple of other bits I want to get into on the show tonight. I really want to talk about the summer signings as well. Did we make three big mistakes in the midfield with Santos, Tillemans and Balaba? We'll delve into that. But remember, it's our flagship show. It's a Sunday night, so you can drive the conversation as well. Get your comments in. Apologies for being a bit late. Also, just a bit of an announcement because Daniel Thompson's just done a super chat here.

3:03He says, hope everyone's well. I'm having problems with YouTube in the live chat and super chats where what I say isn't showing other problems. So if anyone says I'm not ignoring them, I'm really sorry. We're really sorry, Daniel. this is us we've caused this problem in the back system and we're trying to figure out what it is that's why I'm 10 minutes late unfortunately shout out to Greg the producer Matt and Finlay and everyone who's been working on this we've figured it out there's been a change on YouTube that doesn't benefit live communities at all so we've got to work through something to get it sorted but what you'll find is is that there are certain like you couldn't type ball up until 10 minutes ago like ball was a banned word.

3:43So that's probably impacting people's super chats. And once we've found out all the list of words that are now banned, we can, we'll be back to normal. And loads of people are typing ball. So, you know, if you look, I had a list of this. Ball, box, arm, were all banned words. So you're going to struggle as a football community, aren't you? Ball, box, You know, football, I think you can type. But yeah, we'll get there, Daniel. So thank you very much. It's nothing to do with any of you lot. Starkey, welcome to Members Club. Thank you for getting your badge in. I need this tonight. I need this tonight.

4:21It's been a crap weekend in a footballing sense. Seb got beat 12-4 this morning. Man City defeated football this afternoon. Man United messed up last night. and yeah it's just been one of those weird footballing weekends I mean I can deal with it you get good weekends okay weekends bad weekends mixed weekends but it's been a bad weekend mauled by the cheaters says Vlad yeah it's not been great but look let's start off with United we'll talk about the City stuff in a minute and I really want to talk about the midfield but few stories coming in this afternoon that have been sent that Michael Carrick's job is completely safe.

4:59Some people in the club are a bit concerned, but basically in power, people really are looking to back Carrick for the long term. Look, I ain't even going to get mad about it, right? This is really, really simple. This is multi-layered. And I think a lot of people... I mean, look, let's run a poll here. Hopefully Carrick's not a banned word. If it is, we know Man United are playing. Would you sack Carrick now? That's a big thing to say yes to. Don't just do it because it doesn't come without consequence. Please let us... Please think about it, right? So I have a few thoughts about this. Obviously, this morning's video was about clearly there is discontent in the dressing room at Carrington.

5:46And therefore, I don't really care about what Sir Jim Radcliffe or the Glazers think because I don't respect them. I don't respect you. I don't think you know anything about football and respect is earned. I don't really care what Barada and Wilcox think about Carrick because they appointed him and they haven't done a very good job. So I don't respect you. Who I do respect are people who work hard at Carrington and start leaking stuff out about, you know, it's not going very well. But who I respect the most is you, the fans, who give your time to watch Manchester United because you love it. And it doesn't matter what Sir Jim Radcliffe thinks.

6:23It doesn't matter what the Glazers think, because incompetence will catch you up in the end anyway. What really matters is what the players decide to do and whether Michael Carrick can turn this around. So, you know, say Sir Jim Radcliffe a year ago said that Amron was going to be here for three years. He wasn't even here three months later. So Carrick won't be here at Christmas if he doesn't change this around. And if he does change it around, we're all winners because we want Man United to win anyway. So I never really get that worried about votes of confidence or, oh my God, they're going to stick with him and they're not even looking for another manager.

7:00Yes, it's appalling. Yes, it's incompetent, but that will catch them up. Saying, an owner saying they're going to stick with a manager for three years makes me laugh. Even three months. Because if the results go bad, you'll get rid of him. It's as simple as that. So Carrick either turns this around or he walks, he gets sacked. The question is, is whether he can do it. Another question is, even if they sack him, are we really going to sit here and sort of go, well, they'll go and get Emery or they'll go and get Conte or they'll go and get Nagelsmann? there's more chance that they'll go for Southgate or McKenna or Oli.

7:38I mean, honestly, if Carrick got sacked tonight and I had to bet a million pounds, all or nothing on who the next manager is going to be. And somebody said like this, you get the million pounds if it's one of these three or one of these three. And the three is Emery, Conte, Nagalsman or McKenna, Southgate or Oli. I'd put the million on McKenna, Oli or Southgate because that's how shit our club is. Obviously, it should be Emery, Nogalsman or Conte. But this is what I mean. Be careful what you wish for because our club's incompetent. And just because it sacks Carrick doesn't mean you're going to get a good manager.

8:20It'd be bloody McKenna. It'll be McKenna or it'll be Southgate. It'll be some load of shit because the club is run badly. So I ain't bothered if they think they're keeping Carrick for the next three years. Let's see how that works out. And even if they get rid of him, let's see what comes in next. Because yes, the worst start to a season in 40 years should have a manager on thin ice. I want Carrick to do well, but he should be on thin ice. The football's crap. The fitness is crap. The results are crap. Well, Manchester United, of course, he should be on thin ice. but whoa, whoa, betide the person that thinks this is exclusively on the manager.

8:58The summer transfer window, the last two years, the state of the club, that's on the board, that's on the owners. So look, let this take its course. We don't need to get melodramatic. We don't need to start screaming and shouting. Let it play out. I'm quite relaxed about United because I always think just when you think things were getting better, things can get a lot worse. like you think you've hit the bottom of the barrel and then you find another level. So look, things can get a lot worse at Manchester United. And if tomorrow we had a competent owner, things would get a lot better very quickly.

9:36But look at Nice, look at Luzon, look at what the Glazers have done for the last 20 years. Evidence is that this will keep getting worse and worse and worse and worse. it's just not a great situation for Manchester United and what does annoy me though and I will say this is that any competent football club any competent football club must have a contingency plan and where I would agree with a lot of the stuff that's coming out tonight from different sources about the club being exclusively behind Carrick and have got no plans to get rid of him, we're not in conversation with any other manager.

10:26And when you've had your worst start to the season in 40 years and your players are about as fit as...

10:37Well, I've got to be careful here because I'll get in trouble. But they're not very fit, right?

10:48It's something else as well. We're not fit. We've had a terrible start to the season and the football shit. You should be talking to other managers. That's not disloyal. That's not sneaky. That's business. If I put you in charge of a business and you're losing money because somebody, your manager is crap, not a football club. It could be, you could be a manager of a branch of Curry's in Slough. You know, you could be a manager of a restaurant at McDonald's in Northwich. But, you know, things aren't going very well. You're losing money and it's because of the manager. Do you think you just go, oh, let's see if it gets any better?

11:29Or do you start putting adverts out in case you need to make a quick decision? You run a business and somebody says, you know, Jim, he's gone for an interview. He's gone for an interview. And if he gets it, he's going to leave. Do you think you sit there and wait for Jim to see if he gets it. You don't. You start looking for replacements quickly because if Jim fucks off, you need a replacement. So I'll guarantee you Brighton already have a short list of managers lined up because Herzl is probably going to get sacked or more likely get a better job at some point in the next 12 months. So Brighton will have a contingency plan.

12:07They'll be looking at managers that can come in. Man United don't do this. Now, fortunately, there are a couple of managers out of jobs. McKenna's out of job. Nagelsmann's out of a job. Conte's out of a job. So you don't even have to look that hard. But we definitely should be having a word with those people and saying, what do you think? I mean, I'd love Nagelsmann at Manchester United. I think he's a fantastic coach. I'm just going to say it because I thought it today. We got it wrong with Amrim. We definitely got it wrong with Amrim. It's amazing how Amirim looks like a good coach with every game.

12:47Like, I was never Amirim out. I was angry with Amirim because the way he treated Mainou and the way he used Bruno in the midfield, that really did frustrate me. but I didn't have a huge problem with his forthrightness. I didn't have a huge problem with his removal of certain players from the club and he didn't really get backed and he had a style of play and I think he knew, he said we're going to suffer in the short term and we did. And I even think back to the things that Amarim got attacked on. Formation. Why is that not happening with Carrick then? His treatment of young players. Why is that not happening with Carrick then?

13:45I mean, I remember Amarim. Was it Obi and Amas doing posts about Amarim and him saying, but this is my point. I'm not saying that these players don't have a future at Manchester United, but you've got to respect the decisions and work for it. And we had a load of people going, oh, he doesn't use the youth. He's disrespecting Obi and his disrespecting Amas. Well, he disrespected Rashford by getting rid of him. He disrespected Gannaccio by getting rid of him. He disrespected Anthony by getting rid of him. But was he wrong? There seemed to be no patience with Amarin, even though he told us we're going to suffer.

14:19I mean, he even said, this is the worst Man United team in years. Was he wrong? Oh no, he must have been wrong because Carrick came in and got a few results with one game a week. I think that we're never going to bring Amarin back. But the pathway we were on with Amarin certainly looked a better pathway than where we are now. And he might not have succeeded and I think he admits he was naive himself. But the fitness levels were better. The football was better. And he left because he fell out with Wilcox. People forget he didn't get sacked for results. He got sacked because he fell out with Wilcox because he wanted midfielders and Wilcox said no.

14:57And where are we now? I crave a manager that has a style of play. I don't mind that it might take a few years. I just want the right manager with the right attitude, given the job. And at the moment, I just don't see a pathway. I don't see a vision. I don't see confidence. I see weakness. I see timidness. I just see a manager who's not good enough. And the sooner he becomes good enough, or the sooner we replace him, the better. Because carrying on like this is insane to me. like the press conferences are boring the tactics are crap the after match reactions are weak the team is unfit Old Trafford is booing I mean as I said to you this morning replace the name Michael Carrick with Ruben Amrim and this is a fucking pile on this is a pile on from ex-players, media and fans Michael Carrick is doing a nollie he's getting away on the sympathy boat I'm going to be blunt tonight because it's a Sunday night show Carrick is getting away with it on a sympathy vote you've got to analyse yourself why am I not going in on Carrick as much as I might have done Ten Hag or Amrim because it's Michael Carrick I remember 08 misused by England fantastic technical player legend of the club it's Michael Carrick and the reality is if it was Eric Ten Hag or Ruben Amrim the pile-on would be double The guy's getting booed at Old Trafford.

16:32We're not fit. We're getting shit results. There's no vision. I felt that his substitutions yesterday were almost like, and I don't know whether you've ever seen this because it pisses me off. I've seen it with my kids at different teams they've played for. Fair play bollocks, right? I don't care if my kid is on the bench, if the team that gets picked is better than my kid. What I cannot stand is... Right, Wayne, what are we doing here today? Filming promo for a new podcast. Me and Mark Goldbridge. What's the podcast called, Wayne? It's all that one. What is it called? Oh, that was good. Wayne is a player.

17:12Exactly what Man United was all about. But I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything. What would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's a... We'll be reacting to all the games. Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories. Just had my socks on and my underpants. Good. Hopefully no sackings. He's gone first. I've bolted him. I think we will have to beat. That's why I was saying you can go first. I did. On the volley. United. Oh, perfect. On the pitch, off the pitch. I've got a little goal in my garden. I'd have saved that, to be honest. Stiff United has come to him.

17:47Fair play time. You know, we've got... We're playing eight to side. We've got two subs. So even though those two subs aren't very good, they're still going to get the same game time. We've got a pre-planned minutes. Shove it up your fucking arse. Everybody doesn't finish first place. Somebody finishes last. If you're on the bench, maybe you're not good enough or you need to work harder, right? I felt with Man United yesterday, it was almost like Carrick was running the team like a pre-planned minutes fair game time team because it felt so formulaic. Yoro did really well for France. Let's put him at right back.

18:22Give him an hour. That'll make him happy. And then we'll bring Deleuwe on. What if Yorou's playing really well and Maguire isn't? We could move Yorou to centre. We can't take Harry off. We can't take Harry off. We'll give him 60 minutes. Bang on 60 minutes. We'll bring Deleuwe back on. That'll keep Deleuwe happy. That'll keep Yorou happening. What then? Well, Xerxes has been moaning a bit. So we need to bring him on as well. So we'll bring him on for half an hour pre-planned. That'll work. What about Belaba? People really want Belaba to play. Well, yes. We'll start Tillemans because he's one of my favourites, but we'll bring Balaber on for half an hour pre-planned as well.

18:56I'm looking at it and I'm sort of like going, the substitutions felt pre-planned. Even the minute they happened felt pre-planned. The absence of a half-time sub felt pre-planned. The absence of a sub in the first half an hour when we're getting absolutely embarrassed felt pre-planned. And I'm sort of like, how can you be tactically flexible and adaptable when you're pre-planning subs? Now, I'm not saying he did, but it felt like he did. And this is a complaint I have about the coaching. When things go wrong on the pitch, they don't seem to know how to react. To me, they come across as a coaching team that work on it in the week.

19:38And then if it doesn't go right in the game, they don't know what to do. So, look, I don't know what the pathway is for United at the moment. I don't know what the vision is. And I'll say all this to Rooney on Stick to United. And Rooney's good mates with Carrick and he will want him to do well. But one of the questions I'm going to ask Wayne on Tuesday is, Wayne Rooney's the manager, what are you going to do? Because we can't sign players, so what are we going to do? And why isn't it happening? because I'm absolutely convinced if Ruben Amrim was in charge now doing this, there would be sack him tonight.

20:18And the only reason that's not happening is because it's Michael Carrick. And I'm guilty of that. I'm guilty of that. I'm not saying sack Carrick. I'm saying you either sack him now or he starts getting results now. But we can't carry on like this. We can't play crap against Atletico Madrid and lose and then go to Leeds and lose. We can't carry on like this. there is either a rocket up the arse from Atletico Madrid and we start winning or we change it. There's nothing wrong with saying that. I think Michael Carrick would agree with that. I think Michael Carrick is a fan of the football club and I think he would agree with that.

20:52Voice less outer. Thank you very much for joining the members club. You are an absolute legend, sir. And Starkey, get your badges in. Love the badges. Sean Macco says, Carrick needs a new coaching set up or he's done. I mean, I like that comment. We need a new board. But I've said this before. When Man United constructed their board of Wilcox, Barada, Ashworth and Favell, I said, look, they might be really, really good at their job, but have they ever worked together before? No. What are the chances when you go, you're the best from there, you're the best from there, you're the best from there, and you're the best from there.

21:29You put them together and it works. Why do you think Jose Mourinho, when he was really good, always took his coaching setup with him. Jose Mourinho didn't go to clubs and go, I'm the best in Europe. I'm going to get that coach there. You need to work with people that you know, right? What Carrick did in January was get the job and then phone around everybody who was out of a job. And they came together and they did quite well. But that's not a basis for success. They're only working together because they were out of a job in January. we didn't get best in class we just got what was available and this seems to be Man United the attitude and body language of the players right now is a concern says Glenn Bruno especially he looks completely done with the club which is understandable well I actually saw a reaction to the goal Glenn and it made me feel better so Mbremo scores runs off to the corner Cunyar goes with him Luke Shaw turns around and goes to the halfway line and so does Bruno we just scored a goal to go 1-0 up and it made me feel better because to be honest with you, I felt strange when that goal went in.

22:42Look, I remember that Brentford game. I remember the match reaction and I was like, get in, Man United three points and people were like, embarrassing, embarrassing, embarrassing. And I was like, no, because it's Man United winning a game and that always takes precedent. But I'll admit, last night when Embermo scored, I was like, yeah, Man United have scored. We need the three points. Great. But it did feel a little bit strange in the sense that we were shit. And it's only because Spurs couldn't finish that we were going to win the game. But you watch Bruno, he just walks to the halfway line. He's not running, celebrating.

23:15And I think that to me is where I agree with you. I understand it. You know, Bruno Fernandes last season was one of two or three players that single-handedly got us into Europe. I think this season he's looking around and going, Casemiro's gone. it's me again isn't it it's me it's Bruno or Bust again and I think you can understand it because he probably thought we've been shit and we're going to win the game but next week what's the plan and you know I'm guessing here but Bruno cut a figure that was like well winning today doesn't mean we're going to win tomorrow

24:00yeah look players need to look out for themselves you can respect coaches but it doesn't take them long to figure out they're not very good people forget that under Oli at the start everybody loved Oli and at the end the leaks were coming out about how shit the training was who was helping Oli with the training? Carrick I can't you know what I find it hilarious hilarious is the wrong word I find it insane that we sacked Amorim because he wanted signings and we interviewed Oli and Carrick for the interim they literally worked together and we sacked them three years ago I mean who does that right you have a manager that is in for the long term that you're meant to be helping build a team you refuse you refuse to help him build a team you tell him to change his formation he says fuck you you sack him and then you interview the two coaches that you sacked three years ago I mean we've got to be one of the only clubs in the world that ran an interview process for an interim but then interviewed two people who'd worked together three years ago and got the sack I mean these are the headlines that people don't because the client journalists don't want to go there because they don't want to upset anybody but we sacked a guy that we were meant to be building a new Man United with because he wanted players, which we need.

25:27And then when we sacked him, we ran an interview process and the two candidates weren't like anything new. They were two guys that worked together three years ago and got the sack because they weren't good enough. And what have they done in the following three years? Been sacked by Middlesbrough and been sacked by Basiktas. Incredible. Incredible recruitment process from incredible board. Manchester City defeated Seb, says Carla. No, he didn't play Man City. Relegation this year, City, Spurs and United, says Ruddy. Emily Derry is back in the house. Standards are not a priority with this board.

26:02That much is obvious if they're not at least contingency planning right now. We never do though, Emily. Can you remember when Oli got sacked? We lost to, I think, Liverpool or Man City and there was an international break and a lot of people thought Oli's going to get sacked in the international break. I vaguely remember we got smacked up by Liverpool at Old Trafford. And then we lost to Man City as well. And the international break came around sort of October. And a lot of people were thinking, well, he'll get sacked. And United's board ran in a cave for two weeks and pretended everything was okay.

26:40And then we came back from the international break and within a couple of weeks, we were getting smacked up by Watford and he got sacked. And they didn't have a plan. I mean, Oli was doing shit for about six weeks and they never had a plan. Mourinho was doing shit for about six weeks and they never had a plan. They don't plan. They don't do it. They go like this. La, la, la, la, la, la. We're not going to sack anyone. We're not going to. We've got to sack someone. Oh, shit. We haven't prepared. Yeah. So, yeah, that's sort of that's where we are with that. But in summary, I'm not that concerned about the club saying that sticking with Carrick because at the moment, I don't want to compare.

27:24I mean, somebody said to me that Ten Hag got sacked.

27:31Let's see if I can do this. This would be very interesting if I can do it. So, how many points was Ten Hag off top four with United when he got sacked? I think Cameron was two.

28:03So Ten Hag was seven points off top four when he got sacked on October the 28th. After nine matches, he had 11 points. So 11 from nine. Carrick is six from six.

28:26I think that's right.

28:32and Amorim.

28:36Amorim was, I think Amorim was like two points off.

28:44When Amorim was sacked, Manchester United were level on points with top four, depending on goal difference, sitting in sixth place, but level with top four.

28:57so yeah I mean look there can be no there can be no arguments that Michael Carrick and the word sack I mean look it'd be interesting to see what Wayne says on Tuesday but there is absolutely no guilt in saying that Michael Carrick and the word sack can't be associated with each other all the ingredients are there The results are shit. The fitness is shit. The position is shit. And it's the worst start we've had in 40 years. So, you know, that conversation is there. I think fortunately or unfortunately, the way you look at it, Atletico Madrid is a bloody hard game. So if you win it, you get some time.

29:41Leeds away. I think we should win that, but probably gives him a bit of time as well. But I worry about Atletico. I mean, we'll be previewing that tomorrow because we're playing them in 48 hours, which seems like a very quick turnaround. they're a good team Atletico Madrid they've got 11 good players and they've got a very very intimidating ground that's going to be that's probably not the sort of game you want after what happened there but Leeds will give us a good game as well Como will give us a good game the only game that we've got coming up that looks like three points is Bournemouth they look really bad at the moment but look the pressure's there we'll have to wait and see what happens I mean the interesting thing will be if Ten Hag had 11 points from nine and he got sacked, Karik has got three games to get six or more points.

30:34Otherwise, yeah, so 11 points from nine games got Ten Hag sacked. Karik's got six from six. So to get more than 11 points from nine, he needs to win two of the next three.

30:53and our next three league games are Leeds away, Bournemouth at home and Chelsea away.

31:00You can sack him if you want. You can. Nobody can. I can't argue with it. You can't. He needs to turn it around very quickly. I mean, I wouldn't sack him now. I think that's a very good example. If Ten Hag got sacked with 11 points from nine games, sacking Carew with six from six is probably a little bit early, but give him nine games and let's see where we are. let's see where we are after Chelsea. Because if we're not in a very good position, I think you need to make a change. You can make it before that, but I think you've got to make it by the Chelsea game. If we've got less than 11 points after the Chelsea game, he's got to go.

31:35Got to go. Evans will be interim after Carrick. Fucking hell. We can't have another interim. Like, I've got no power to stop it, but we can't have another interim because our fan base is too fucking thick. and I'm not saying 100 % of the fan base but there is an element of our fan base that when we get an interim they say I definitely won't want him to get the job and I remember sitting there when Carrick got the job and I said I guarantee people will want to give Carrick the job and they did so if you give it to an interim people are going to go give him the job and then with the cycle we'll go around just get a permanent manager in you know when Villa sacked Gerrard did they get an interim?

32:16no, they got Emery go and get a proper fucking manager you know there's available managers go and give it to somebody who's a proper manager yeah I want to talk about the transfer window very very quickly I want to get your points on this Denise says Radcliffe admitted past player transfer blunders are they not repeating the same mistakes with managers it's incompetence says Denise thank you very much I agree visited Old Trafford from Chicago this weekend says HiFi well I hope you had a good day even though it wasn't a great result at least we didn't lose I just wanted to bring this in because I've seen a lot of stick for Tillemans and Santos over the last 24 hours my takeaway on the transfers are this the Labour could end up being a good signing Tillemans could, Santos could but in defence of Carrick I don't think he asked for any of these players I think that Santos is clearly a board signing and not a Carrick signing Santos stinks of we bought you Santos, the data says Santos, and Carrick looked at him and going, he ain't good enough.

33:22That's what that stinks of to me. Tillemans stinks of we would pay 35 million pounds for him because he's got a release clause, but we'd never pay 50. So we bought him because he's cheap. And Balaba stinks of we couldn't get two or three other options, so we'll spend the big money on Balaba. So in fairness to all three of them, I just don't think they're what Carrick wanted. So the question is, how many of them will work? Well, I don't see... I'm just going to say this. Tillemans is a good player that doesn't suit Man United. It reminds me of Mason Mount. Why did we sign Mason Mount? I mean, apart from injuries, why did we sign Mason Mount?

34:01The injury thing is obvious, but even if Mason Mount had stayed fit, where would he be playing for Man United? There was never a place for Mason Mount. Bruno's got his position. there was never a place for Mount and with Tillemans there's no place for Tillemans Tillemans can play Bruno's position he'll never get it Tillemans can play Manu's position he'll never get it and he definitely can't play Casemiro's position so why did we buy Tillemans? Tillemans is 29 he is not a bench player he's an experienced Premier League player and international he's a starter why did we buy Tillemans? and that leads to Carrick going Tillemans is a good player.

34:42Let me play him with Maynou and it won't fucking work. So I think the signing of Tillemans is incredible. We literally bought a player we didn't actually need and then have tried to shoehorn him into a position he can't play. Oh, sounds like Kunja. So look, but where I'll defend Tillemans is he's a bloody good player. We're just playing him. Tillemans needs to play Maynou's position and you need a Casemiro. You can't play Maynou and Tillemans together and that's why the midfield's been so shit. Santos, I just don't know what's going to happen there. I mean, I'm trying to find out, but£48 million on a player that can't get minutes.

35:22It's like radio silence trying to figure out what's going on with Santos. Santos, my opinion is that... Well, my opinion is I don't see this changing because there's been plenty of reasons to use him over the last few weeks. He had a full pre-season. He's fully fit. He's not coming back from injury. He's not coming in from a foreign league. He actually had quite a good pre-season and Carrick doesn't rate him. So I don't even know what happens with Santos. The only real hope is Balaba. And look, admittedly, Balaba looked good when he came on yesterday. But Tillemans and Santos already look like a mistake.

36:07They do. They look like a mistake. It's strange. Man United have finished with this file ownership and the league, says Big Sully. Thank you very much for that. You said you were going to talk about City. Well, let me just talk about this. Would you sack Carrick now? 79 % of you would. And we've had nearly 7 ,000 votes. So that's quite a strong statement there. Thank you very much for getting involved in that.

36:35Tdog says, keeping Carrick for much longer proves the lack of ambition within the club. Only sack for better replacement. Yeah, yeah, I would completely brew that. Marvin says Tillemans is not an issue. I think there's a lot bigger issues, Marvin. What I'm saying is he's not a bad player. I don't understand why we bought him. I think Santos was bought because we didn't get Edison and we panicked. I think Tillemans was bought because he was cheap, but we didn't actually need that type of a midfielder. and I think Balaba was bought because we didn't get Cermini, we didn't get Anderson, we didn't get Tonali, we didn't get Mateus Fernandez, we didn't get Luis Skelly.

37:14So we went for Balaba.

37:19Ewan says, every pundit out there says the Maynud Tillemans experiment doesn't work. When will Carrick realise that himself? Mate, Ewan, don't disrespect yourself. Every pundit out there says it, right? And they're probably saying it this weekend. And every one of you said it before the whole game. I remember the preview. You can go and watch the predicted line-up. I said, I have this feeling he's going to put Tillemans and Mainu together. That's what he's going to do. Now, I don't think he did against Hull. I think Santos started because maybe Mainu wasn't fully fit. But lo and behold, Mainu and Tillemans has been his starting midfield too.

37:58And I remember doing the preview, talking about it, and loads of you were saying, they won't work. They just won't work. And it's incredible when we have these conversations about what will and won't work. And then you watch it and you realise the amount of money people are being paid to make these decisions. And you go, I sat with a community two months ago that universally agreed that Tillemans and Manu do not work as a midfield two before they'd even seen it. And yet our entire coaching set up think they do. And it's wild how, you know, these people don't do it. So it's mad to me.

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40:19I think that, well it's the same with Luke Shaw isn't it as well it's the same with Deleu it's this same thing Mark Hughes says I said Rashford would be his downfall I'm completely against this I'm completely how many minutes did Marcus Rashford play yesterday and United were shit Marcus Rashford didn't play in the first half against Hull and United were shit I don't think Rashford should have come back but it's not his fault Barcelona didn't want him Man United could have loaned him to Barcelona and he'd still be there Man United could have sorted another loan out Carrick brought him back into the team Carrick has to take responsibility for that not Rashford but United would still be shipped without Rashford so look I find it strange that Rashford's back but Rashford is not responsible for this he didn't even play yesterday it is strange seeing him back and I don't think it's good for his career either but I don't blame him for that and I certainly don't think he's responsible for United being in the position that they are not in my opinion Irish Geordie says Santos not that good replaced Agate not Casemiro says Irish Agate will be getting bloody minutes soon Bruno looks a shadow of himself play Tillemans at 10 says Rudy Bielsa would sort out the training session says Dino look as mad as it sounds at the moment and it really is this basic, if we actually focused on some fitness, we'd be a better team.

41:54But how do you do that? Look, there are so many people who've said this over the years. Your pre-season is so important. I mean, I remember when I used to play football, like when I was like 18, 19. And pre-season training would be a killer. you'd train Tuesday, Thursday and Wednesday we'd go to the local boxing gym and there'd be no football it would be like proper boxing training like you'd all lie down in a circle you'd shout your number you'd come up throw the medicine ball at you which was fucking heavy you'd throw it back go back down I'm telling you now after an hour of that you'd go outside the boxing gym and you'd throw up and there was no football work It was just boxing fitness work.

42:48And you'd never do it throughout the season. And you'd never train as hard as you did in pre-season. But what would happen is by the end of that six weeks, you'd have a level of fitness that you would just maintain from training and games. But if you don't get that level of fitness, you can't get it then because you're busy playing games. So if our fitness levels are 7 out of 10 and everyone else's is 9 out of 10, we can't go from 7 to 9 because the season started now. You can't do that level of intensity to get your levels up because you just operate at the level you are. so this is a problem if we were playing one game a week we could do some fitness work in the week but you can't do it when you're playing Tuesday Sunday, Wednesday Saturday, you know we're not going to be able to do it so somebody fucked up big time there Linda says Negalsman, Emery, Conte, Fabregas, Southgate Hal, Herzler, you could appoint any of these managers and it won't change at all the only thing that will fix it is Ineos and the Glazers fucking off, completely agree with you Linda Hope you're doing well.

43:57Marks lost the yard of integrity, says Leon. I don't know what that's all about, but please tell us more. Carrick actually wasted a full pre-season focusing on passing. I agree that Bruno is not a great captain, but this team would fall apart without him, says Brad. I mean, anybody that wants Bruno out of the team, whenever he's not in the team, we somehow manage to get worse. So I wouldn't wish Bruno out of the team, if I'm being honest. Talk about integrity though, Leanne. I wanted to just talk about Man City very quickly because it is a Sunday night show. I'm, look, Man United are shit. What's happening with Man City has got nothing to do with Manchester United.

44:36But in a general sense, I've got to say, I watched the Liverpool-Man City game on the watch along this afternoon. And I really wanted Liverpool to win for football. But when Man City won, I can honestly say, in my whole time watching the Premier League, I've never felt this empty about football. The integrity of this league is in the absolute mud. How are we as football fans? And I think it's disgusting on the part of the Premier League and the media, because I watched the after-match coverage on Sky. there was very little about there's no integrity in the league at the moment it was all about oh Anderson had a good game oh good finish by Doku and I was like hold on a minute hold on a minute two weeks ago the Premier League put a statement out saying that Man City spent 10 years effectively cheating Man City are at the top of our league and you found them guilty of massive rule breaking and now it's the Premier League and it's live And now for the next few months, we're meant to go, oh, let's forget about that.

45:51It's a joke. It's an absolute joke. It's a sham. It's an absolute sham. This is not the best league in the world at the moment. It's an absolute farce. I cannot understand how the Premier League have found them guilty and don't have a vehicle to do the points deduction and say, if you win your appeal, you can have the points back. But until you win your appeal, you're not having them. Like, it's just a mockery to see Man City fans and players running around, hugging each other with smiles on their face. I can't believe the Premier League think this is a good idea. Every football fan who's not a Man City fan is going, What the fuck's going on?

46:35Do you expect us just to carry on as normal? It's wild to me. But then I was thinking, surely Man City will just win this league because if the Premier League try and give them a 60-point deduction in January, some teams will have... Do we get our three points back that City took at Old Trafford? Because some of us will have lost to City and some people won't play City. so it's a mess it's a fucking mess and I don't blame City City have done it they've been found guilty they've just got to crack on with it the integrity of the Premier League is in the mud and I don't know what we're supposed to do as fans I was looking at Liverpool fans in the crowd after the game and I sort of felt for them because they were like we've just lost the game but have we lost and what does this mean for football it's made it's just massively confusing uh in my opinion.

47:29Anyone else notice the amount of injuries we have this season when we have the intensity of apathetic sloth? Well, Emily, I'd be very surprised if we saw Luke Shaw play on Tuesday. I'd be very surprised. So who's the left back on Tuesday? James says I can't post. You can, James. We're sorting it out. Don't worry. Anyway, look, thanks everybody for watching as always. Lovely show tonight. we've got the preview for you for the Atletico Madrid game we'll do another live one of those at 8 o 'clock tomorrow night I'll do that with you and then we've got a match on Tuesday stick to United on Tuesday morning as well so lots to get involved in and lots to discuss take care everyone stay safe thanks for tuning in tonight and I'll speak to you next one thank you

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