CARRICK STAYS!?

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1:44Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. It's been a long wait. apologies it's the first time I've been live with you today it's been a busy day I've been in Manchester I've been in foe calls whatsapps you wouldn't believe I'm gonna I'm gonna break it all down to you what I know uh fasten your seat belts because some of it's gonna absolutely blow your mind Manchester United Football Club has is probably more political today than Westminster there are so I mean these people are a disgrace this is not a football club this is about ego and arse protecting. That's what's going on at Man United.

2:18Oh, I don't want them because then I might lose my job. Oh, I don't want them because I might get the sack. Let's keep him and then we all stay. It's an absolute shit show at Manchester United. And people need to call this out. And all the client journalists to go, oh, I'm hearing this. I'm hearing that. Oh, that was about doing some proper fucking journalism and actually calling it how it is, because it's an absolute shit show. Manchester United's communication again is that of a dead badger. Nothing, no noise at all. It's absolutely disgusting. And we're even hearing, Laurie Whitwell has said in the last few minutes, we're even hearing that Michael Carrick is likely to take training tomorrow.

2:58If you take training tomorrow, you're managing the team for Chelsea. Let me just repeat here. Yes, Wilcox needs to go. Yes, the board are a joke. Yes, the owners are a joke. Yes, the players are a joke. But let's not twist this any other way. Michael Carrick still in charge of Man United. It's an absolute disgrace. An absolute disgrace. I love Michael Carrick. Legend of the club. I feel sorry for Michael Carrick, but I'm not feeling sorry for him to the extent that I want him to stay in charge. Hull was shit. Fulham was shit. Spurs was shit. Como was shit. Atletico Madrid was shit. Bournemouth was shit.

3:35Brighton was shit. Shit, shit, shit, shit. We've been shit all season. Nobody who's done what they've done this season deserves to be turning up to training tomorrow. That is an absolute shit stain of a football club that they've done nothing today. What have they done today? It's embarrassing. I'd be embarrassed if I was Carrick that I was still in a job tonight. I think it's humiliating. I think it's embarrassing. And if we're going to send him to Chelsea as the manager as well, I just, I just, I can sort of figure out what's going on. But they're asking chat GBT for manager suggestions. Look, honestly, I've heard quite a few things and I'll go through it with you today.

4:17But I wanted to start on the Carrick thing because him turning up, taking training tomorrow is an embarrassment. It's an absolute embarrassment. He's lost the fans, he's lost the players, and he's turning up for training tomorrow. That's just crap leadership. If I'm in charge of that football club. I'm like, whatever happens, he cannot turn up tomorrow and take training. It's embarrassing on a National League level that we would even consider doing that. Like, there has to be consequences. He should have been sacked today. But the scary thing is, why hasn't he been sacked today? Now, I've been told a couple of things, but you need to sort of think, why has he not been sacked today?

4:55We've not just lost the game at Anfield in the last minute, by the way. We've not just lost 1-0 to a brilliant Liverpool team at Anfield. We've been humiliated by Como and we've been humiliated by Bournemouth in our own backyard. Bournemouth could have won 6-0 yesterday. This is not about, oh, I've even seen some people going, will he even be sacked? What are you talking about? It's not even a question. He has to go. He knows it. We know it. He has to go. The fact that he hasn't gone tonight is humiliating for him. It's embarrassing for us. And it's a shit show from the club. And again, nobody's coming out saying anything.

5:34Now, look, there are a few explanations for this. The first one I don't actually believe. Somebody said today, what might be happening is Carrick goes in tomorrow, says his goodbyes to the staff and then goes. That could be happening very early tomorrow morning. What also could be happening is, is that other changes are going to happen and they won't happen till Wednesday. So there could be a logical sack tomorrow, new manager Wednesday, matches on Saturday. There's still time for that to happen. Of course there is. But there's other people saying if he takes training tomorrow, he will be in charge for Chelsea, which is laughable.

6:16Absolutely laughable. There are some people saying they might just keep Carrick as a sort of interim until the international break, which is incredible. Like we've got three games that are actually difficult games that we could do with getting some points out of in the next three games so that terrifies me as well but I think what is probably happening and what I've sort of been told is and look I will say some people have said that he won't be in charge for Chelsea so we'll have to wait and see but what I've been told today from you know decent sources is that there is an internal battle going on at Manchester United, whereby Sir Jim Radcliffe is so incompetent that he's sitting there deciding who to listen to between Fivel, Barada and Wilcox and is leaning towards Wilcox again.

7:10So this is the big problem that we've got. And I think this is what's going on. I think the reason we've done nothing today is because we've not made any decision today. now reading between the lines you've got Jason Wilcox saying let's keep Michael Carrick because I chose him but if we're not going to go with Carrick we should go with Eddie Howe you've got Faville going let's get Nagelsmann in I don't know what Burrard is doing it's unfair to even predict what Burrard is doing and then you've got Sir Jim Radcliffe going well you know Jason is the sporting director. What should we do? I'm not 100 % sure.

7:47And you end up with this indecision. But what you've definitely got, what you've definitely got is people in that boardroom and in that meeting who, despite millions of United fans not liking them, and despite Manchester United being a football club that's been around for a very, very long time, we're literally in the hands of individuals who are protecting their arse. They literally don't want the sack. So you've got an individual in that boardroom allegedly saying things like, let's keep Michael Carrick. You've got somebody in that boardroom allegedly saying, if we replace Carrick, let's get Eddie Howe.

8:29And the reason they're saying that is because it maintains their authority in the dressing room. For example, in this scenario, if Carrick gets sacked and Nagelsmann comes in, Wilcox becomes weak and probably loses his job because Nagelsmann is Favell's guy. And Nagelsmann will naturally gravitate towards Favell and Wilcox will be left weak. So we've got egos in the dressing room who are protecting themselves. I want Manchester United to be put first. Look, the obvious thing for me, and I'll keep saying this, Michael Carrick should have been sacked already. I like the guy, but as a manager, judging him on his managerial ability, he isn't good enough.

9:11He should be sacked. Wilcox should go with him. In fact, Wilcox should go first. For Val Nagelsmann, and actually longer term, let's look at making other changes in the boardroom as well. It's very, very simple. It's very, very quick. Obviously, Nagelsmann needs to want the job, but the scary thing is, it looks like United desperately want an interim again. It does. It looks like they desperately want an interim. They want an interim to come in so they can have a little think. Well, we can't do another interim. We can't do another interim. So I think that, look, he's not getting sacked tonight.

9:48I knew at five o 'clock he wasn't getting sacked tonight. I couldn't put it out there because, you know, I would have been betraying sources on that. But yeah, from five o 'clock tonight, it was well known that he wasn't getting the sack. whether they'll do anything tomorrow morning. Look, this is Manchester United. They've said nothing today. Not, you know, they make me sick. Even seeing Carrick turn up and driving out made me feel sick. It's this, it's this, it's this. You know, Manchester United is a club of the people and they're acting like the fucking HSBC with shareholders. Manchester United, you know, it survives on fans.

10:29The club is a shit show and people are just turning up and like, I'm driving out of Carrington. You know, like fucking speak. Speak and say something. Even Michael Carrick could have done an interview. Just, you know, they're going to probably sack you, do a fucking interview. Like somebody should have spoke to us today. The stress that these people put you through as a Manchester United fan is a disgrace. And this is why I don't think things are going to get any better. Because they couldn't lead a cat. They're absolutely clueless. They're absolutely clueless. There needed to be somebody stepping forward today and saying something today.

11:06You're not fucking, you know, you're not Russia. You know, you're not, you're not, this is not bloody high level politics. This is a bloody football club. It's an entertainment sport. It's really simple. We're not doing very well. We want to win. Like, it's, I can't believe how naive these people are that they can't literally just come out and say something to try and make the fan base feel better. But you know what? I was on Overlap Daily today with Steven Gerrard and he was talking about Liverpool and he was saying the thing is, the one positive I can give you is that things will probably get better because they can't get any worse.

11:48They can get worse. They can definitely get worse. I mean, I was recording Stick to United with Rooney today and I was asking him about relegation and stuff. Of course things can get worse. The squad's crap. The board's crap. The ownership are clueless. There's a lot of better teams than us. I mean, we could easily finish bottom half, even if we don't get relegated. Things could easily get worse. And also, what happens when Bruno leaves and Maguire retires and who are we replacing them with? Things can definitely get worse. I love it when people say, get rid of Bruno, and then they realise who owns the club, and you realise, well, we got rid of Casemiro, we didn't replace him.

12:28Who's replacing Bruno then? You know, broke the Premier League assist record, Premier League player of the year. Fuck off. Get out of my club. Who are you going to replace him with then? So I do not for one minute think that things can't get worse. Of course they can get worse. But look, Michael Carrick's out of his depth and he should get sacked. Some of those players are an absolute joke and they need to get sacked. but doesn't it fill you with absolute dread that as a fan you sit there and you go right, Carrick's got to go today we need to get the new manager in tomorrow we need to start working on a clear out and then you have 24 hours of silence from the people who need we need proactive, we need ruthless you know we need proper leadership from yesterday to now and we've had nothing so don't tell me things can't get worse this football club is crying out for some proper leadership and all we've got is people running around protecting themselves I mean you can imagine what that boardroom was like today Barada protecting himself Wilcox protecting himself Sir Jim protecting himself that dressing room would have been that that boardroom would have been an absolute shit show and you know I was listening to Gary Neville's podcast this morning and you know he was talking about Barada and Wilcox and how they're just not you know they're not experienced enough and that's the problem that is the problem I was driving up to Manchester today I had the radio on they were talking about Jason Wilcox when he was uh in his one year as director of football for Southampton apparently spent 25 million pounds on a goalkeeper who now plays for Bolton he was you know he wasn't very good there and this is the guy with Manchester United Football Club's future in his hand.

14:19He's got no bloody experience. And I'm being nice. He's got no CV. He didn't even do a good job at Southampton. He got the job. I don't even know how he got the job. I'm guessing that Barada went, I know somebody who used to work with me at Man City. And Sir Jim went, Man City? Sounds great. Yeah, absolutely clueless. So the people that have got the opposite, you know, who are going to be rebuilding Manchester United. Yeah, it's a joke. Lookhurst is saying that Carrick's going to lead training tomorrow, Mark. If Michael Carrick is taking training tomorrow, I physically feel like throwing up. You know what?

15:03The one thing about waking up this morning is I thought actually at least something is going to change. It won't be enough, but at least something is going to change. I'll tell you, like, I just want Carrick to go so I can go back to the mindset of what an amazing player, legend of the club. But every day he stays now is just damaging. It's damaging his reputation. He should not be here. And I just wonder, yesterday after the game, when the fans were singing Carrick's name, have the club and Carrick taken that, that he's got the fans on side to stay as a manager? Are they that stupid that they think because a few fans sang his name after the game yesterday that they think that they want him to stay?

15:51Because I tell you what, those fans who were singing his name, if they think Michael Carrick should stay as manager, what are you on? My interpretation is that they were appreciating a legend of the club and not blaming him totally for the failure of this season. But I don't think anybody was singing his name because they want to see more Carrick ball this season. but maybe the club are that stupid. They think that that was a show of support for a manager who's shit. Like we got pants pulled down, lube applied and screwed in our own backyard by Bournemouth. And I watched the highlights back this morning and it could have been seven.

16:34Rayan missed two big chances before the third goal. And before they even scored a goal, they had two chances. So that's another three on top of it. Yeah, it could have been 6-0. Easily. Easily. So look, absolutely sickening that Michael Carrick might be taking training tomorrow. Sickening. And what does that do for the squad as well? How stupid would it be to have Carrick in charge for Chelsea? You know, Bruno Fernandes was sat on the bench as United got a drubbing like a naughty little boy. He's not going to appreciate that. Bruno Fernandes has put a post out about, what was his post? Who can remember what?

17:15No, he didn't put the post out. He liked a post about not caring anymore. Like, you need somebody to come through that door now and change things. You don't, you don't, you don't go and do, you don't go and give it to Carrick again. It's mad. But look, if you want Carrick to stay, absolutely fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But the only reason he's staying is because Wilcox is saving his own arse. And Sir Jim doesn't want to spend any money. This is not about a clever football decision. This is about saving money and saving somebody else's job. By keeping Carrick, Wilcox stays in a job and Sir Jim doesn't have to spend any money.

17:57So if you're there applauding Carrick staying, let's have a football conversation. Because this season has been the worst start to a season I've seen Man United play in the Premier League era. It's shit. The football is a disgrace. The fitness is a joke. The tactics are a joke. Half the team are playing out of position and we're getting pummeled by Como and Bournemouth. Not by Munich and Arsenal. Como and Bournemouth are playing us off the park. I don't care whether it's Michael Carrick or Michael Jackson in charge. It's shit. It's bad. So you need to get sacked. If he's still here for Chelsea, who are we?

18:34Manchester United or Oxford United? It's a disgrace. But I don't think he's here because they think he's good at the job. I think he's here because they're saving money or they're trying to save Wilcox. This is only going to end one way. It ends with the sack. We could be in relegation zone on Saturday night. Halloween, we could be in the relegation zone. So I just don't know what the club are doing. I don't know what they're doing. Somebody rang me up about six o 'clock tonight. And they said, I still think he's gone, but the delay could be trying to find someone else to take the job. And I'm like, are you real?

19:15And they were like, yeah, because if they can't get someone to come and do the job this week, who's going to manage the team for Chelsea? I said, well, it can't be Carrick. You can't keep Carrick just because you can't get another manager in yet. You know, that's where you have to use a bloody interim. And but you can't keep Carrick because you can't get somebody else in yet. That's ridiculous. That's the whole, you know, give it to fucking Bruno. Make Bruno be player manager. We can't we can't carry on with this. We can't carry on with this. But I just think it's political. I think it's really political.

19:56And I think it's.

20:02embarrassing to do nothing. You can't do nothing. You can't do nothing. To do nothing in any crisis is ridiculous. And to be sat doing nothing, I'm continually embarrassed by Manchester United, basically. Continually. Yeah. I don't know. look, why don't you put in a coherent sentence and you might get read out instead of stupid. What's jinx bridge? What's that even about? Oh, you've been following the Bournemouth page, have you? Well, shame on you. Anyway, let me get into the comments. Just my opinion, but how no. Wilcox can... I think you've seen Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes today. They went Southgate, they said yes to Howe and on Nagelsmann and Conte, it was no.

21:04And I'm like, do you not follow football? How can you say yes to Southgate and yes to Howe, but no to Nagelsmann? I'd love to know what they know about Nagelsmann. Is it just he's German and he got sacked by Germany? I mean, do they actually know what he did at Bayern Munich at Leipzig? Do they know anything about his style of football? Do they know anything about his development of youth? I mean, it's mad. It's mad to me how so dismissive uneducated football people are on Nagelsmann. I don't mind people saying no to Nagelsmann if they give me good reasons for it, but at least do your bloody research because he's a million times better than Eddie Howe.

21:46And you know what the amazing thing about Eddie Howe is? Eddie Howe was recommended to Manchester United after Ten Hag by Dan Ashworth and Wilcox, Barada, Sir Jim Radcliffe, Favell didn't want him. Imagine if we go for Eddie Howe now when they'd all said no before. It's crazy. What happens if we're here again in six months as United? Well, that's not my responsibility, is it? Token says, thank you very much for your super chat. I mean, what I mean, I'm being dismissive there, but I just think it's a waste of time comment. I mean, where are you going with that? What if we are here again in six months?

22:20Are you telling me you want to keep Carrick and trust Wilcox? I mean, maybe we will be here in six months. We can't do nothing. Can't sit and do nothing. We could have lost 6-0 yesterday. You can't sit and do nothing. Fucking hell. Why is Carrick still here? One point above relegation. If we leave it any later, another game gone to get... I mean, it's shambolic. Mike, it's shambolic. How? How have Man United put themselves in a position where tonight our players are going to bed to wake up tomorrow, turn up at Carrington and be coached by Carrick and Steve Holland again? How have we allowed that to happen?

22:59Jose Mourinho, his last game was a loss at Anfield and it was get out of our club. Jose's last game was a loss at Anfield and they sacked him. Right, Wim, what are we doing here today? Filming promo for a new podcast Me and Mark Goldbridge What's the podcast called Wayne? I don't know What is it called? Oh that was good Wayne is a player Exactly what Man United was all about But I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything What would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's a We'll be reacting to all the games Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories Just have my socks on and my underpants Good Hopefully no sackings Hopefully He's gone first on both of them.

23:43I think we will have debates. That's why I was saying you can go first. I did. On the volley. United. Oh, perfect. On the pitch, off the pitch. I've got a little goal in my garden. I'd have to say for that, to be honest. Stiff United has come to him. We've had our worst start to a season in 40 years and we've just been hammered at home by Bournemouth and he's turning up for training tomorrow. Mourinho got sacked for losing at Anfield. Carrick's turning up tomorrow for training after losing to Bournemouth. I mean, fucking hell. What did that big banner say about standards? It's a joke. It's an absolute joke.

24:20Do you think there might be infighting between the owners, says Jeff? Yes, but you can't do nothing. Who's got the power? Someone's got to do something. I think you make a great point, Jeff. I think that there are way too many chefs. There are way too many cooks at that football club. I said this at the very start. Remember when Sir Jim Radcliffe mentioned best in class and he had Barada, Ashworth, Wilcox and Favell and himself. And I said, and Barada. And I said, but the amazing thing is, this best in class is Wilcox and Barada won't really have worked together at City, COO and a youth team coach.

25:10They won't really have worked together. Ashworth hasn't worked with any of them. Favell's not worked with any of them. Sir Jim's not worked with any of them. It's all right thinking you're recruiting the best people, but throwing them together, the chances of them actually working, you know, it's like buying a brand new back five in the summer. Doesn't mean it's going to work. And nobody ever thought about that. We spoke about it, but it was like, well, they've never worked together, have they? Why do you think Jose Mourinho always takes his coaches with him? Why do you think Amarim's got the same set of coaches with him at AC Milan?

25:46And he's doing a great job, by the way, Ruben Amarim at AC Milan. You bring together, Brailsford as well, yeah. You bring together in people who've worked together. We threw a load of people together and it's just not worked. Do you think there might be, I've done that from Jeff, so good point. Dave says the board cynically exploits our loyalty by parading legends to trade on nostalgia, only to ruthlessly discard them when it suits them. All to keep us clinging to a past they're actively dismantling, says Dave. Eddie Howe has a compensation fee in his contracts, says Lee Capetown. Yeah, well, if you know, for me, it should be Nagelsmann anyway or Conte.

26:26Daniel says, hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. Shambolic day at United with nothing happening, which is awful. Training tomorrow and nobody knows what's going on. Madness, chaos and above all incompetence. Look, Daniel, the way I look at it is if I'm Bruno Fernandes or Lissandro Martinez or Cunha, all of which got dropped at the weekend and I'm turning up for training tomorrow with Carrick, I'm like, the fuck? I'll put a smile on my face. I'll be like, what the fuck? What a waste. I'll be on the phone to my agent saying, when you can, get me out. Like, I'm turning up to training and he's still in charge.

26:59The fuck? You know, we need to rescue a season. the only way we're going to do that is by uniting that dressing room it's not going to happen is it I reckon Mark was late because he was trying to get the chocolate bar of his choice says Trippi hilarious change manager again won't change anything says JBS of course it will mate I'm sorry I'm going to be blunt because some people seem to have done what always seems to happen in this fan base they're very angry they're very vocal after a bad result but give it 24 hours and they want to keep Carrick and trust Wilcox and I sensed that here and I've sensed it online.

27:35It's the same, you know, you're the same people that if they get the job to Fletcher and he won again, you'd be saying give him the job. We're our own worst enemy because we allow this to keep happening. But to say changing the manager won't change anything, mate, it's the worst start to the season in 40 years. Should we just stick how it is then? You genuinely think that a new manager is going to continue this shit? We won't win the league. we might not finish top four, but it's the worst start to the season in 40 years, mate. I think we'll definitely see an improvement of some level to where we are now.

28:11You can't just go, nothing's going to change. It's shit. It might be a different shade of shit, but it will be slightly better. At worst, you've got to make a change. You can't just sit there in life and go, oh, it's terrible. Let's do nothing. You've got to do something. I've said it before. They'll wait for Conte Nagelsmann, the logical next appointment to go to another club. but sack Carrick, then a point how, because he's best in class for the options they've got. Look, as I said to you a few minutes ago, United Front, there is this feeling that they might wait till the international break.

28:43I mean, I can't think of an analogy that would do that justice. You know, it's a bit like your feet are in a lake and piranhas are biting your feet off. and somebody says, I'm going to pull you out, right? And you say, let's leave it a week. And they say, if you leave it a week, you'll lose your legs instead of your feet. Ah, it'll be all right. You know, we're literally eating ourselves. Rescue time is now. Pierre Turnip says goodbye to staff. They should go to Evans and Holland. says Pure Turnips Darren welcome to Members Club thank you do you think Wilcox did not know Eddie Howard cost him six million is this true says Luke I don't know I wouldn't put it I wouldn't put anything past them to be honest with you I've just seen that Southgate's odds are improving his becoming manager give it to Wilcox till the end of the season he said he's a coach at heart says Jack look and look very important to interject with this we're talking about Carrick needs to go yes he does but Jason Wilcox should not be choosing the next manager and he shouldn't be here.

30:05I don't know whether that's part of the conversations. I don't think it is, but that definitely should be part of it as well. Starkey says, if anything, it's better that things get worse now, hopefully until the Glazers jump shit before things get too bad on the financial side. CP says, Hertzler plus three years of building an actual project, says CP. I mean, you're not going to get three years, I'd say that. Have you seen the Ogden ESPN article, says Decaf? I haven't. It would be nice if you just told me the standout bits and I could react to it. Jonathan, welcome to Members Club. Thank you very much for getting your badge in.

30:36I don't think we even get a draw till Newcastle, says Vraj. Did you see Scolzi say Nagelsmann was leaking at Bayern about the dressing room to a reporter who was knocking off this crossfire? Look, we can all play this game. There is a British bias in this country. We saw it with De Gea. We saw it with Martial. We've seen it with Bruno. We've seen it with Ten Hag. We've seen it with Amrim. You know, I saw Lucas today putting an article out about Eddie Howe's been studying Manchester United. There is there are people in this country who will never admit it. But they are British biased, whether it's Dean Henderson in goal, whether it's Marcus Rashford on the wing, Harry Maguire, Mason Mount, Luke Shaw.

31:19or Eddie Howe, there is British bias. And I don't know what it is, because I don't have it. But those people who are British bias have a dislike for foreign. So we're seeing it with Nagelsmann. You know, some people don't want Nagelsmann. They want the British manager. Tell me this. When we sacked Ruben Amrim, at what point were we looking at Eddie Howe? We were never looking at Eddie Howe. Eddie Howe was never being looked at. Nagelsmann was being looked at Enrique Tuchel Iriola Nobody was looking at Eddie Howe Go and watch True Geordie's videos last year About Eddie Howe You'll find out about fucking Eddie Howe From a Newcastle fan there I actually thought True Geordie was too harsh on Eddie Howe To be fair I don't think Eddie Howe's completely useless But fucking hell You want to find out about Eddie Howe from a Newcastle fan Go and watch some of True Geordie's videos from last year Because he can't stand him He thinks he's an absolute joke He thinks he's a fraud I don't think that.

32:20I think Eddie Howe is a good manager at a certain level. But if Eddie Howe is so fucking good, why aren't we looking at Eddie Howe at the end of the season? Because Newcastle were looking to sack him at one point. This is not somebody that is like elite manager level. It's bullshit. That's what it is. So when Scholes or anybody else wants Eddie Howe, I just think British bias. I think bollocks. I don't think he's done a particularly good job at Newcastle. People talk about, oh, he's fast-paced attacking football. What? Fast-paced attacking football? Most of the time he parks the bus and counterattacks.

32:55That's what I saw anyway. And four years with money, two in the Champions League, two out. And he struggles to qualify for the Champions League when he's got to play two games a week. So, look, I'm not saying Eddie Howe's a bad manager, but I don't think he's a Man United manager. And also, I'll repeat what I said last night, Eddie Howe out. because if it's Wilcox who wants Eddie Howe, I don't care if Wilcox wants Tuchel, Tuchel Howe. I don't want Jason Wilcox making a decision. Yeah? If Favell came in with beans on toast and Wilcox came in with a brilliant lasagna, I'd say, shove it up your arse.

33:34And he'd go, but you like lasagna. Yeah, but you made it. You made it. It probably is very nice, but you made it. I don't trust it. Shove it up your arse. And I like lasagna. But if Wilcox made it, I'd say get stuffed. I'm not going anywhere near it. If I turned up at the airport for a secret holiday and Favelle has got a ticket to bloody France and it's pissing down all week and Wilcox has got a ticket to Barbados and it's going to be lovely, I'm going to France with Favelle. Oh, but we'll have a great time. No, because you've booked it and you're going. I'm not, I don't care. I'm going to France with Favelle in the rain.

34:12We'll have a great time. and that's where I'm at that's where I'm at and I'm not being unfair I'm not being unfair because he has made so many bad decisions around you know Marcus Rashford wanted to be in Barcelona how damaging has bringing Rashford back been for Carrick I don't know and I don't blame Rashford but I blame Wilcox he's the sporting director Rashford left this club and wanted to be in Barcelona Wilcox said, you're not having him on loan again. We want 25 million. Where's Rashford? 300 grand a week at Man United. Carrick has to integrate him back in. Does that impact people like Kunia?

34:55Of course it does. Who's ultimately responsible for that? Not Marcus, not Michael Carrick. Jason Wilcox. Amrim Sacking, Jason Wilcox. Recruiting Carrick, Jason Wilcox. Yeah, he's made too many mistakes. I'm not going on holiday with him to Barbados. I've just realised that's an analogy. I don't trust him on anything. I don't trust him on anything at all. I really don't. And I'll tell you what, I've got to say for a bit of light relief, has anybody seen that Gary Neville clip? It's hilarious. I thought it was AI. I got sent a couple of AI clips of me today that were scary, actually. It was scary.

35:33It wasn't quite my voice, but they're getting closer and closer. And I got sent this clip of Gary Neville and I thought it was AI. It's the most David Brent thing I've seen this year. He's like, he's really angry. He's like Manchester's maddest man. And he stood there with these on, right? And he's going, these players, they're not professional. I live in Manchester. I know they don't go to bed at the right time. I know they don't go, they're not eating right the things. They're walking around like King William, you know? And I'm like, it's like AI. King, it's the pause between. They're walking around like they're King William.

36:14And William's not even a king. He is spot on. You're absolutely spot on. But I just, I loved it because we've not heard this. Today, when I was driving up, I was almost like, I can't believe what I'm listening to. I can't believe what I'm reading. I can't believe the clip that I'm watching because we've been talking like this for ages. And it's like after the Bournemouth game, everybody started talking about what we've been talking about. So you've got Neville calling out players, calling out Wilcox, calling out Barada. You've got journalists doing the same. It's just been an absolute pile on of the club from everywhere.

36:55I don't even know. There's one or two journalists that have come out and helped them, but they've lost all. They've lost their power. The club has lost its power. It's on its arse today. But it just made me laugh because Gary was going, I know some of these players are not professional. I live in Manchester. They're not eating the right things. They're not going to bed at the right time. Gary goes to bed at nine o 'clock. I just had visions of Gary going around Manchester night scene going, I've caught you. But the interesting thing is we don't know who he's talking about. Who are these players?

37:33in Manchester that are going to bed at the wrong time. They're not eating the right things. They're not professional. They basically, he said, they think the Kings, they think they're it and they're not. They're not Kings. They're not Kings. They're not good enough. I don't know who he's talking about. I don't know who he's talking about, but I could shock you tonight and tell you the players I'd get rid of, but I don't think it does a hell of a lot of good. There's some shocking players I would say they need to go. There's stuff I know about players that you would be stunned and they're not. I mean, I'd get rid of Luke Short.

38:05I'd get rid of Mason Mount. I'll get rid of Deleuze. But none of those players, would I say, are doing things that I know are unprofessional. But there are players in that team, you'd be shocked, who you think are like, all right. And they're not. They're not. They're really unprofessional. And, you know, a lot of people say, well, why is Gary Neville not saying the names? What good does it do? We're not in a transfer window. I know some of them. He obviously knows a lot more. Michael fucking Carrick knows who they are and he's picking them. So what good does it do for Gary Neville to say who the names of the players are?

38:44It just, you know, throws petrol on a bonfire. But that club needs an absolute gutting. And the reason I mention that is because we're talking about the board, we're talking about Carrick needs to go, but there are people in that dressing room who are an absolute disgrace. You know, they're an absolute disgrace.

39:03but that you know make sure you watch stick to United in the morning because I'm what I keep very nearly wandering into a lot of the stuff that Rooney said and I don't want to do that because it's what he said Glazers were better bring Joel Glazer back says Ashy I mean look if you want an honest answer I do think we were better off under the Glazers which is a horrific statement to say because the Glazers have had an awful impact on Man United but we're definitely worse. We're definitely worse under Ineos than we were under the Glazers. We're definitely worse. Look here, cancelling another season after just two months.

39:39You know what, Dak? I was on my phone today and I started to get some Christmas stuff coming through, you know, like the Christmas reels. Like it's only on Sunday you can put your Christmas tree up because some people put the Christmas tree up on November the 1st. and I instantly thought about the tree. You know, I put the tree up, don't I? It's quite nice to have the tree up at Christmas. And I thought, fucking hell, once that tree goes up, we're talking about those Christmas streams where we reflect on the last 12 months. Every Christmas for the last four years, it's been depressing talking about Manchester United.

40:22And we, you know, the season, I wouldn't say the season has been written off yet.

40:30but we need that new manager bounce now we need it now and the only way you're going to get that is by having a new manager somebody said to me today what if they keep Carrick and they beat Chelsea and I went I felt like knocking them on the head and going hello is there anything in there what are you talking about what if have you not been here for the last three months what what So what if he beats Chelsea? This is not getting better. There might be a little blip like there was with Oli. And, you know, there might be a little blip. But no, no, no, no. This can't carry on. This needs to change.

41:07All egos, no leadership, idea, care or competence, says Daniel. JB, thanks for your super chat. The sad thing is that it doesn't even hurt anymore, says Paul. I'm in this perpetual state of anger. anger is what I feel. I'm so angry with the club. I'm so angry at how incompetent they are. I just want... You know, I look back at the Sir Alex Ferguson era and I trusted the club. I trusted the decisions. I didn't always get it right, but I trusted the club. You know, I think other clubs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Brighton, Bournemouth, those fans trust their owners. I haven't trusted our owners in the way this club's been run for over a decade.

41:50It's a horrible feeling when something you love, it's like a mate being in a relationship with an absolute cow. You know, not a real cow, but, you know, we've all been there. Your mate goes out with somebody and they're horrible and they change them. But they seem happy and you're like, oh, just how long is this going to go on for before he wakes up and realises he needs to be coming out with us having a laugh, you know? and then he brings her out sometimes and you're doing your normal jokes and she's like, you know, what are we doing here? You feel like going, fuck off, but you can't. You have to say, do you want another drink, Debra?

42:25Yeah, it's horrible being in that situation and it's been like that for over 10 years now. 10 years of this and you're just like, all I want is a reset. I don't even care who it is. I just want somebody to come in with money, clear the debt and say, I want to make Man United the best team in the world again. Let's go. It's really simple. It's really, it is really that simple, isn't it? Hello, I want to make Man United the best team in the world. That's all I'm focused on. I'm really not bothered about making a profit out of the club. That's the sentence. That's all. That's all we need. Somebody to come in who has the power and go, I'm not here to make personal wealth.

43:06I'm here to make Man United a great team because I care about football and I care about Man United. That's it. I'm not asking for them to finish that church in bloody Spain. You know, I'm not asking to fly to Mars and inhabit it. It's, you know, I'm not asking for a cure for all the cancers or everything like that, although that would be great. All I'm asking for is an owner to come in and say, hey, I've bought Man United because I love football and I love Man United and I want to make us win the big prizes. I've got no interest in making any money out of it myself. You know, it's a novel concept, isn't it?

43:39But fucking hell, it'd be great. Wilcox wasn't even supposed to be the director of football, says Asher. No. Yeah. Is the fan base to blame for Amrim sacking? Was it snobbery over something as trivial as the formation? Will the fans ever have the patience, says Andy. In fairness, there are still a lot of you that agree with Amrim being sacked. There are still a lot of people that don't like Amrim. I wanted Amrim to stay till the end of the season. I didn't want an interim and I knew that's what had happened if we sacked him because there was no managers available. So I wanted him to stay till the summer.

44:12And I think if he'd stayed till the summer, it would have got worse or better. But we would have known. Wilcox fucked that up because he wouldn't buy anybody in January. But yes, I would hope that, you know, as we as we swim through this sewer, we notice the, you know, the shit and the syringes that we need to avoid. Because that whole he needs to go back to a back four thing was the most immature, misguided load of shit analysis I've ever heard. It was just ridiculous. And I said it at the time. He's a 3-4-3 coach. Why should he go to a back four? It was just, it was stupid, but it got momentum.

44:54And guess what? Guess what? Guess what? He had a foreign passport. What a surprise. What's most annoying is how relatively simple all the solutions are. They don't even need to be geniuses to figure it out, yet still can't do it. Exactly, Shaheen. Somehow Wilcox has made Woodward look good. Eddie Howe's win rate is 46.9 % as well, says Adrian. Should we expect tomorrow Carrick sacking, says Michael. Well, one of two things will happen tomorrow. We'll either get a sacking very early or he'll turn up and take training and that's it. There'll be no communication. I mean, look, as mad as this sounds, there could be nothing.

45:36There could be Carrick turns up to training, business as usual. No statement, no nothing. Michael will be doing the press conference on Friday. That literally could be what's about to happen. they might just go la la la la la la we're not listening la la la we're not looking at the league table la la la la la la you know and just they could literally just decide to do nothing and then we'll probably get some briefs later in the week when the anger dies down of they still believe this is the right project and what I would say to that is and I've got to be very careful I don't swear you cannot get on board with that As a Man United fan, you cannot get on board with that because what they're basically saying is the standards of Manchester United now are a relegation battle is business as usual.

46:28There are standards that teams like Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal have where where you are, where you are, the manager has to go. And if Man United try and brush it off as business as usual, we can't just go that's OK. because I've seen Man United go from winning a title under Sir Alex Ferguson to where we are today and they've got away with it. They've gradually took us down to a level that's ridiculous. I am not going down to a level where it's okay to keep a manager who's in a relegation battle. So if Man United tried tomorrow to go, la, la, la, everything's fine, they're basically saying a relegation battle is part of the plan.

47:02Well, that can't be the case. So, but they might do it. They might do it. So it will be as simple tomorrow morning as if he takes training, incredibly he's in charge for the Chelsea game um I'm hoping it's turn up tomorrow empty a dressing room say goodbye to the players and off you go but I wouldn't bet on it the fact that the fact that nothing happened today I think that's a really bad sign but we'll have to wait and see um great question Michael I predicted this disaster when Carrick was offered the job glad to see it's imploded this quickly let's get real we are not making Champions Leagues as new nonsense yeah i'm very surprised it's happened this quickly but i also didn't want it to happen and feared that this could happen in a way you're right it's better that it goes wrong quick and we move on from it then we have to waste two or three years on it uh john says we've had three managers in three seasons we're heading for a fourth any other business would sack those responsible you can't keep giving people endless chances you can't keep giving people the chance to make those choices as well john um do you believe in the delete curse is swifty no what What about Arteta?

48:09Two seasons of eighth and he's a Premier League champion. Yeah, let's sack another manager and then another. Arteta is the vision. Oh, rash. You are full of shit, aren't you? I wonder when you were going to come back. What a load of shit. Oh, thank you for letting me just absolutely take this apart. Right. Mikel Arteta came into Arsenal, right, and was given money and free reign to get rid of players. He won the FA Cup in his first season and gradually built from there. What has Michael Carrick got to do with Mikel Arteta? And what has Man United got to do with Arsenal? It's the shittest, rubbish-dest example ever.

48:51You know what's a better example? Michael Carrick's Roberto Di Matteo. Came into Chelsea, did really well at the end of the season. The season started and everyone knew he wasn't good enough in this acting. End of story. Dream team is Raniuk and Nagelsmann. I would love Nagelsmann and Ranyik. I would love that. But I think that ship sailed a long time ago. What do you think about people wanting Roy Keane in, says John? I think people just want Roy Keane in just for the, you know.

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50:57what he might do in the dressing room but i mean look i take i take roy keen over michael carrick i mean roy keen has i mean he's been out of management for a while but roy keen's cv is actually okay compared to carrick um but you know that's not where we should be going next if board truly wants to save themselves do everything to get emery give him the driver's keys to execute his vision and they may yet be redeemed as class of 99. That's the Hall plan next summer out the window if Howe comes in, says Snail. We've created a Frankenstein monster at United with Mike Ashley's Newcastle and Peter Ridsdale leads merged into one.

51:31Both ended up relegated, by the way, says Jim Jones. Hurst Class says there's growing support for Nagelsmann, says Rich. And I think we will follow Tottenham's manager path from last season. Carrick will be here far too long, higher and far in interim than a desperate gambler, a permanent manager, so we don't get relegated. It's tenacious. I mean, it's scary, isn't it? Players could mutiny against the owners, says Quantum. Sack Wilcox and hire Conte as manager, says Michael. And if this was Amram, he would have gone long ago because he would have called this out plus more toxicity, says David.

52:00Dream team is Nagelsmann and Rangik, says Jay. Carrick should resign if he had any respect for us, says Ross. You know what? I would never say that because there's a big payout. But Michael Carrick should resign. After what he said on Friday, he shouldn't be here today. Now, I'm holding out hope that he's going to go in the morning, but what he said on Friday about the history of this football club and what happened on Sunday, he should resign. But let's see what happens in the morning because he should get a payout as well. Why should he walk away from nothing? But I think he should resign. yeah I don't think he should resign because I think he should get the money but I don't think he should still be here you know would love to see how the shows on financial incompetence of the owners in the last 10 years clearly the problem is how lack of spend money on players or managers as HS looking forward to our trip to France as Christopher Favell Mark remember when Jose was in and some people have a problem with it I'd rather be there than be here to be honest I said this today Sham the problem with Man United is is when we sacked Mourinho he lost at Anfield and we'd just finished second.

53:16And we sacked Mourinho because we were drifting down the league and we thought we were a team that should challenge for titles. So Mourinho got sacked having finished second and he got sacked after losing at Anfield. You wouldn't get sacked for that now. You'd get praised. So the standards when Mourinho got sacked were a lot higher. It was because we weren't competing for the title and we lost at Liverpool. That was enough to get sacked. you can now have the worst start in 40 years get battered by Bournemouth and Como and they're still going hmm I don't know what to do so look that's not even going back to Sir Alex 10 years ago we sacked Mourinho who had just finished second had a bad start to the season lost to Anfield and we sacked him and said that's not the standards of this football club 10 years later one point off relegation, getting battered by Como and Bournemouth, hmm, maybe we should keep him here.

54:12So, I mean, you don't even need to argue. You can see where the standards of the club are. Even under Mourinho, the standards of the clubs were way higher than they are now. The only manager you can compare to Arteta is Amrim, says Gavin. Apparently, Joel Glazer cared about United more and he never liked Jim's way as per Mark Dutton. I saw that man meet, so apparently Joel Glazer didn't like Sir Jim Radcliffe sacking half the workforce. You know what? It's something when the Glazers are starting to sound better than Ineos, isn't it? I mean, you really have fucked up, haven't you? Hi, are we winning the league next season, says Ali.

54:47Let's ask Barada. I really don't think they'll get rid of him, says Tracy. How surprised would you be if you found out Wilcox and Barada were hiding some kind of sabotage conspiracy funded by Sheik Manzor, says Mark Bronzebridge. I'd be surprised and there we go and lose Mark says Stu they will sack Wilcox they cannot survive this they need a scapegoat says Mustafa and Udit says I will put Manchester United back in Manchester Omar and Wilcox won everything with scamming and pumping with money Man United does not have says Udit do you see any possibility of a Wilcox sacking says Gus look somebody said to me today if you sacked Wilcox would you keep Carrick no they're two separate things on the football pitch the coaching the fitness is terrible Carrick has to go.

55:30Off the pitch, Wilcox is terrible. Wilcox has to go. They both need to go. It was funny how quick the briefs came out that said support for Nagelsmann is growing after the news of compensation for Eddie Howe, says Glenn. And the Glazers make the look positively competent, says Jay. Glazers seem to be leaking Radcliffe's spin to Ogden, says Decaf. And is the fan base to blame for Amram sacking? We did that one, didn't we, Andy? Let me just have a quick check here because I've been talking to you good people for an hour and I know there will definitely be stuff I've been sent. Let me have a quick look.

56:16Yeah, lots of people I've been talking to are saying, look, Carrick should have been put out of his misery today. It's weird they haven't done it. And it's obvious that he hasn't been told yet either.

56:31And the theory behind that is if Carrick had been told he was... Look, it's a good point, right? I wish I could tell you where I was getting this from. So basically, what I've been told is it's really strange that Carrick is sat there tonight not knowing what's going to happen. If he did know what was going to happen, it would have already been briefed that he's safe for Chelsea. But we've not had that brief. so he could still be sacked. So basically, they've not put Carrick out of his misery yet, have they? We don't know either way what's happening.

57:08Could the delay be about who they're going to pick? Whether they're going to wait till the international break, which is harsh.

57:19And also, let's not beat about the bush here. even if by some miracle Carrick beats Chelsea it's three points you'd have to then go and beat Roma you'd have to then go and beat Villa you'd have to then go and beat Liverpool I mean even if he beats Chelsea, Roma and Villa it's only six points and three points in the Champions League you then go to Anfield and get stuffed then everyone's saying sack him again I don't know whether they're that intelligent to figure that out but this doesn't get solved by there might be somebody in that boardroom saying look if he can just get a win we're okay it won't be okay it won't be okay we're on game week 9 we've been shit for 9 game weeks we've been knocked out the Carabao Cup we lost 2 out of 3 Champions League games one win isn't going to change it all one win would do is keep the noise on simmer till the next game and then the next loss it's like sack him again he can't survive this he can't survive this sadly is Bruno even going to play at the weekends as Robert I mean that I mean how do you pick Bruno when you don't use Bruno I mean yeah you do realize they want how because he's steady and will get his top five every year for the new stadium well they might think that Amy I don't think that will happen Amrim didn't have a new manager bounce would you take the same if Nagelsmann came in and had a clear vision provided he works with for Valves as chill guy.

58:49Look, if we get Nagelsmann and Wilcox gets sacked, I'd give it a go. I'd still be massively concerned about the playing squad. I'd still be massively concerned about the owners, but it'd be something to get behind. If Conte came in, I'd get behind it because he's a disciplinarian. If Eddie Howe came in, I'd just be like, fuck the fuck, you know? Berada, Wilcox and Carrick are learner drivers. Imagine if we did just get rid of them and actually bought experienced elites, best in class in each role, says Jack. Keep him might as well fire to the ground instead of keep giving a treatment for an open heart surgery, says Paul.

59:24Would love to see shows on that. Okay, look, thank you everybody for tuning in tonight. It's been a tiring day. It's been a very nice end to the day chatting to you good people. Please do subscribe to the channel, smash the like on the video. Tomorrow will be a very interesting day. Stick to United with me and Rooney was recorded this afternoon. It's really good. It's out at 8am but beware we might be reacting to something else. Let's see how it goes tomorrow. If he takes training and they're keeping him I'm just not doing anything. I can't. I'll say things I regret but hopefully it will be something around a change in the manager.

1:00:09We'll have to wait and see. But I think I just need to go on a walk and try and switch my brain off tonight because I just can't believe we're sat in this situation waiting for something that should happen today. It's ridiculous. Take care, everyone. Stay safe. At least we've got each other. At least we've got therapy, as always. I don't know where I'd be without you lot over the last 10 years, actually, because it's been a shit show at United, isn't it? And if we didn't have this opportunity to talk and discuss, where would we be? stay safe everyone take care and I'll speak to you in a bit you walk in from the cold and every room already feels like fall that's what whole home scenting means at Pura one system working quietly in the background so your home always feels like the season and like you learn more at Pura.com let's be honest If you have a cat, you've probably wondered what your house smells like before guests walk in.

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