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1:42Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge, and we've got a show for you today as Manchester United map out their summer transfer plans for 2027. Also, are Manchester United causing Marcus Rashford problems by overhyping him? Let the lad play. Let him play. Also, we've got a little bit coming in from the overlap around Man United's defence. Roy Keane and Gary Neville, very interested to know what they think about our defence. Is it too weak going into this season? We've got a poll as to whether Carrick will survive the season. You can vote in that and we'll talk about that as well.

2:16I also want to talk about Michael Carrick's big transfer regrets and how he's got to deal with the lies at Manchester United. I think fundamentally the lies at United are a big, big issue. And Michael Carrick has got a very big decision to make. Does he back the lies and support the owners? Or does he actually start to play the game like Mourinho did, like Amirim did, like Ten Hag did, like Ranjik did, and actually start to play both sides a bit? I think it's time for Michael Carrick to start playing the fan side a little bit because he's been too pro the club. And we'll talk about that in a moment as well.

2:54Also, I am not going to, I'm unashamedly going to plug this. I think it's the best bit of content me and Wayne have done so far. Wayne being Wayne Rooney. We have an ultimate Man United Premier League head to head with a twist. It's up on the members section. It went out about an hour ago. If you are a member, make sure you check it out today and get in the comments because you can play along with it as well. I love it. And we did it at Rooney's house as well. So check it out. If you're not a member, join and you can watch it. But if you are a member, shout out, go and give it a watch. OK, look, let me start off with a little bit of news because we're going to be a little bit all over the place today, but it will make sense.

3:30It's like building a picture, but you don't know what I'm doing at the moment. So Manchester evening news. Manchester United are planning a huge defensive overall overall overhaul next summer with as many as four new defenders potentially arriving. two full backs and two centre backs. Lewis Hall is already considered United's top target for 2027. The plan would complete Ineos' three phase squad rebuild with the overall project potentially costing more than 500 million pounds. So next summer, they might sign as many as four defenders with a huge defensive overhaul. And Lewis Hall is the priority in 2027.

4:07Oh, I'm so excited. And I just can't hide it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it. Why do they spoil us so much? Oh, my God. We are so lucky to have the best owners in the world, in the history of the world. Forget football, forget politics, forget Hollywood. We have got the best owners in the world. Have that, Liverpool. Have that, George Lucas. we've got Glinios and they're in town to spoil us. Oh my God. And people doubted this relationship. People doubted it when Sir Jim got into bed with the Glazers. Oh yeah, all those people who wanted guitar. You look stupid now, don't you?

4:52Because we're going to have a massive rebuild in 12 months and Lewis Hall is the priority. I mean, God. You know what? I don't know who in the Manchester Evening News wrote that article. But as I was typing it, I'd be like, I'd say to my editor, I'm typing, but I'm not typing that article. Or what are you typing? I'm typing my resignation. I would rather go fishing than put that out there with my name on it. I mean, look, it is professional suicide. I am not putting my name to that article. It is the biggest load of lies I've ever seen. I am not doing it. And yet we predicted it. We predicted it last week.

5:39We predicted it on Monday. We predicted it on Tuesday. The spin would be almost to the letter, big defensive overhaul, Lewis Hall, the priority, all part of the plan. Well, that is out there this morning. Manchester United, big defensive overhaul. Also in the same article, they talk about how in the end, Manchester United's four summer signings were all from the Premier League, Santos, Chelsea, Tillemans, obviously, Aston Villa, Belaber also at Brighton, and Darlow was at Leeds and Newcastle. So Manchester United are looking like they're going to continue their policy of just signing Premier League players.

6:19I don't think they realise how crap they are at their job. I don't think they realise how much piss-taking we get as United fans when we go out in public. You know when you're down the pub and you've got like Chelsea fans or Liverpool fans or Villa fans or whatever, like laughing at you. I don't think they realise the ridicule we get because of their apps. I mean, do you know how stupid you are in a football chat when you go, yeah, my club's doing really well. We only buy Premier League players. And everyone just laughs. And you go, what are you laughing about? You only buy Premier League proven players.

6:54Yeah, it's a really good policy. Yeah, yeah, it's a great policy, isn't it? So there's the ocean. OK, and you're looking through that. Yeah, that's basically what we do. I mean, it's so moronic. It's so moronic. I just, I despair. But look, they are in the stage now of trying to convince the idiots that what they're doing is a good thing. I mean, one of the big takeaways for me is that when they've done their big defensive overhaul next season, that will complete a half a billion investment into Manchester United. Now, to an idiot, that sounds really good. Oh, what are we moaning about? What are we moaning about?

7:40Half a billion of investment into the team. Yeah, over three summer transfer windows, it's shite. Half a billion investment in one summer, I'd go, you know, it was needed. Fair play for doing it. They're literally adding up three summer transfer windows. And also, what about the January transfer windows? I mean, let's just do this. So the summer transfer window where we brought the strikers in is one. The January we ignored is two. This summer is three, where we've done the midfield. This January that we'll ignore is four. And then next summer, when we do the defence, it'll be five. And let's not forget the January before that summer that we ignored as well.

8:17Six transfer windows with half a billion spend is shit. Again, I wouldn't type that. Oh, when we've done our defence next year, that'll complete a half a billion of investment in the... Yeah, across six transfer windows. It's not even a hundred million a transfer window. It's shite. It's absolutely shit. Look at what Man City have spent in January in this summer. It's rubbish. And this is what I mean about spin. This is exactly what I mean about spin. They've got somebody somewhere in that club typing this shit up to put it out. And it's complete and utter nonsense. You know what? I'll go back to what I was going to say.

8:57On Stick to United on, I think it was, was it this Tuesday or was it the previous week? I think it was last week's Stick to United. I don't think it was the one with Wes Brown. It might've been Rooney Reacts, actually, to the Ipswich game. Remember what Wayne said? I don't remember what episode it was, but he basically said, Michael Carrick needs I think it was Rooney reacts so he said Michael Carrick needs to be banging on the door tomorrow morning demanding signings Rooney said that, Carrick's mate he said he needs to be banging on the door asking for signings because if he doesn't then look, the holes are there in the squad did Carrick bang on the door?

9:40is Carrick's big transfer regret that he just sat there and went I'm just grateful for the job. Or did he bang on the door? We'll never know. I would give him credit and say that he banged on the door. But he didn't get what he needed. He hasn't been backed. Carrick needs to start banging on the door. The worst thing he can do now, look, if you accept the lie, you become the lie. He needs to look at the last 10 years of Man United and go, am I going to be Oli or am I going to be Mourinho? And he needs to be Mourinho. Michael Carrick retains a lot of respect in this fan base. But if he goes down the route of supporting this ownership, then he won't last.

10:26He'd be gone. Because they will chew him up and spit him out, and so will this fan base. Michael Carrick needs to grow a pair publicly now. These press conferences where he speaks for a minute and says nothing have to stop. We're talking about his survival, and we're talking about what we need from him. And the reason I say this is, I am so fed up of the lies. When we came into this summer transfer window, like, look, why are we like? I was thinking about this. I took Seb to school this morning. I went to the shops. I was walking back. I was thinking about the morning show and there's lots to discuss.

10:58And I was thinking, you know what? We can't get rid of the glazes. We can't change the fact that that summer transfer window is crap. And hopefully we can have a good season. But what we can continue to do as a fan base is call out the lies. And what we can continue to do is demand that it stops. We're very powerless in some ways. We can't change the ownership and we can't change the window. It's gone. But we can demand that the lies stop because they happen every single day. So when an article comes out saying Lewis Hall is the priority, like like Elliot Anderson was a year ago, we call it out.

11:35When they said there's going to be a defensive overhaul next season, we call it out. And when people sit there and back this ownership and try and make us out to be idiots, we call it out. And I think Michael Carrick needs to start calling it out because it's the lies. I think it's disgusting, the lies. I think it's disgusting the way they bury the lies. I think it's disgusting that season ticket holders of generations don't have season tickets anymore. I think it's disgusting that every top six side is spending way more than us and showing more ambition than us. I think it's disgusting that we're not backing the manager.

12:10I think it's disgusting the lack of ambition at this football club. But overarching all of that is the lies. Why do they keep lying to us? I mean, look, are we going on holiday this summer, mum and dad? Yes. Are we going to Disney World? Yes. why didn't we go to Disney World? We couldn't afford it. Why did you tell me we were going there? Because we wanted you to be happy. Well, I'm really unhappy now because we're not going to Disney World and you lied to me. I'm going to be unhappy if you say we're not going to Disney World, but at least you're truthful and you explain it to me. It's the same with a fucking transfer window.

12:45We came into this transfer window and I saw a very good post today that I just want to bring in because I think it makes it very, very, very, very easy to do. Tell me I'm wrong. We came into this transfer window being told, told by credible journalists and the club never did anything about it. And some of the messages from the club, our CEO said, if not this year, the title next year. Well, to do that, you've got to spend money. So he hinted at it. Wilcox said, am I right in saying he said judges at the end of the window, which hints that we're going to do big business. We qualified for the Champions League.

13:23We were told that financially we were in a good position. many, many credible journalists had us being the biggest spender this summer and spoke about£300 million budgets. They also said that United were prepared to break their own transfer record. There was talk about left-backs. There was talk about strikers. There was talk about seven or eight signings. We bought three. So absolutely, we were lied to. We were completely and utterly lied to. and why? I would have been really unhappy in May if Barada had sat down and done that interview that he did and said look we're still struggling we've got a stadium build that we haven't finalised yet as much as it's going to upset fans I think it's really important this summer transfer we know that we're prudent and you know it might be a challenging summer mobile, but we believe that we can do enough business to ensure that we're competitive next year and keep moving in the right direction.

14:29Now, we would not have been happy about that, but you can't argue with the truth. If he'd have said we're going to be prudent, we've got challenges that are coming up in relation to stadium, but we think we can build a team that's competitive and keep moving forward. We would have been unhappy. We would have had the truth. We wouldn't have had three or four months of thinking we're going to sign this, that and the other and we're going to break records and we're going to spend hundreds of millions of pounds. Why did they lie? Because by telling the truth, they might have got better deals. Like going into a window talking about having a load of money.

15:03I said this last night, we probably inflated the midfield market because all last season we were talking about a major midfield rebuild. And is it not coincidental that every midfielder's price went up by 20 million pounds. Man City don't inflate markets. They're good at negotiating. And so are Chelsea. I think we inflated the market we wanted to make an impact in because we spoke about it. If we just said publicly, we're going to have a prudent transfer window, we don't have a lot to spend, that would not have stopped us getting Tillemans. It was a release clause. It would not have stopped us getting Santos for 48 million.

15:38In fact, we probably overpaid a little bit on him. So we might have even got him cheaper. And Belaber for 70 million, again, we probably overpaid a little bit. So it wouldn't have impacted the business we did, to be honest. And you know what? You'd have had a little bit more respect from the fan base because you'd have been truthful. I'm just tired of being lied to. And I think the message has to be to Michael Carrick. You need to pick sides, mate. You can be totally pro the club or you can do what other managers have done and support the club, but also support the fans. I think Carrick's going into a really interesting few weeks and months now.

16:11I would say so far, he's played the corporate line. He's backed the owners. I think he now needs to protect himself because this fan base is with Carrick. He has been absolutely screwed over. I don't want Carrick to, you know, start hinting at problems to win us over. I want him to start hinting at problems to save himself because he needs to be feeding it out there that he's not totally happy with the transfer window. he needs to be feeding it out there that other clubs have been more ambitious than us if he spends the next few weeks talking about we've had a good summer transfer window I'm happy with what I've got you're complicit look I'm simply giving Michael Carrick a bit of fucking advice you know that summer transfer window was shit mate you did not get backed the enemy is the board and the owners when you're asked about it if you want to back the board and owners just take a look at the reaction to Rio Ferdinand over the last 24 hours.

17:09People can see the shill now and it doesn't do you any good. Those days are over. You know, rimming the glazes used to work. Those accounts, those creators, those ex-players, they're paying for their... whatever they're being paid for. You know, they're paying the price now. I don't think there's much of a way back. I mean, you look at the reaction to Rio's video yesterday, and I wish I hadn't said anything about it. You don't need to. Because, you know, if you're back in the glazes in Ineos now, you've fucked it with this fan base. You've absolutely fucked it. And I don't think you'll get it back either.

17:50I think, you know, you've done what you've done. What's the way back for those people now? The only way back is if Man United win every single game and play amazing football, and then they can go, We told you, we told you, Sir Jim and Glazers were good. I think they're done. So I think Carrick, who has my support and has your support, needs to look at all those people who've backed Glazers and Ineos in the last 24 hours, look at where their standing is now in the fan base and go, do I want to be that? And look, I don't know what Carrick's going to do. But as Rooney said, he needed to be banging on the door about transfers.

18:31Let's presume he did. That information needs to start coming out. Michael Carrick does not need to worry about upsetting Sir Jim Radcliffe and the Glazers because he's got the fan base on his side. What he needs to worry about is upsetting the fan base and trusting them because every manager that's done that has gone. I think Michael Carrick needs to be a little bit more on the front foot. He's been shat all over this summer. he's not been given what he needs and as I said look at the last 24 hours and what happens to people who try to make excuses for that summer it's bullshit you can't talk about PSR you can't talk about limited financials it's just not true I saw something from Swedish Rumble actually this morning about Lewis Hall now I haven't read it completely but apparently we'd have been better off signing Lewis Hall this summer than next summer financially and that's without adding money on.

19:30So look, I think we're in a really interesting time as a fan base, but I want Carrick to come on the journey with us. You know, I don't want him to be a Glazer shill. I really don't. So we'll have to wait and see, but it's going to be very interesting. And as I said, we do have a part to play as a fan base. I feel like yesterday was quite a depressing day and I think people were like, the windows closed, we're stuck with the Glazers. Those things are absolutes. We can't do anything about that, but we can demand the truth. We can call out the lies and we can, you know, not accept the same fucking PR bollocks that I've just read out to you from the Manchester Evening News.

20:09Lewis Hall's the priority and we'll have a big defensive rebuild next summer. I mean, it's laughable. It's laughable. And you know what? Intelligent organisations don't need to lie. Intelligent, confident organisations know what they're doing. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing how we can predict what they're going to do. I mean, look, this is minor to me, actually. I'll bring this in. I don't know whether you saw this. And I was a little bit reticent to talk about this. But to be fair, a couple of the people behind the scenes were like, this would be good to bring into the show because it's causing a lot of stuff and a lot of reaction and it's topical.

20:50Now, I just want to frame this because I said this yesterday. I thought it was disgusting yesterday when it came out from, I think it was The Telegraph, that one of the big reasons we didn't buy players this summer was because Marcus Rashford's here and his wage. I think it's disgusting because Marcus Rashford's wage doesn't dictate our summer transfer window. We had an offer from Barcelona. If he'd have gone to Barcelona, we'd have had money and we chose not to. That's nothing to do with Rashford. Again today, I think United are almost ramming the Rashford PR down the throat to a point that it's irritating a section of our fan base that don't want Rashford here.

21:27And it's also irritating a section of our fan base that can see through the PR again. so they've basically done a tweet saying the three nominations for Manchester United Player of the Month considering we've only played Hull and Ipswich are Bruno, Maynou and Rashford and a load of people have said why is Rashford nominated in the top three for Player of the Month and you have to be very careful about this because you know we know that there are people out there that if you say anything against Rashford or Bruno or whatever, they can't have a conversation. They can't have it. I think Rashford's done quite well against Hull and Ipswich.

22:09But what are Man United Football Club doing putting him as a nomination for one of the top three players? No, he's not scored a goal. He's not got an assist. Why is he nominated in the top three? Bruno and Mainu absolutely agree. Where's LeMens? Like, he was brilliant. He was man of the match against Hull. And he made big saves against Ipswich. Where the fuck is Lament? You could even say, where's Kunja? Because he got two assists against Ipswich. But I'm sort of like, and look, in no way, shape or form are we piling onto Rashford here. I think he's done quite well against Hull and Ipswich. But this is Manchester United Football Club again.

22:47They treat you like idiots. They're like, let's throw Rashford in there because he's like a new signing and we need all the PR around Rashford. Let's put another picture out about Luke Shaw. You can see them a mile off. They take you for idiots. They're like, we need some positivity around Rashid. We need some positivity around Luke Shaw. And they start doing compilation clips of Luke Shaw making a tackle or Marcus Rashford tracking back. I've got to say, and I'll always be honest, there is no way Marcus Rashford should be nominated for player of the month. No way. No, absolutely no way. It should have been Bruno, Maynou and Lemens.

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25:47Lemenz has been our best player in both games, and he's not even nominated. So it should be called out because if they'd put Luke Shaw in there instead of Rashford, people would go mad. If they put Santos there instead of Marcus Rashford, people would go mad. Le Mendes should have been there. But is this not part of what we're talking about? Stop fucking lying. Why are Manchester United Football Club so obsessed with lying and manipulating their own customers? Just be honest. You know what? I'd love someone to walk into that boardroom and go, I've got a really good idea. Let's be honest. When you think about it, the last 20 years, and it's got worse in the last two, is just lie to your fans.

26:33Treat your fans like shit and lie to them. The fan forum that is part of the club is disintegrated. The relationship with any fan group, like Man United Supporters Trust, 58, whatever, is non-existent. They just lie. They absolutely deserve booting out. But that's not going to happen. But look, we could at least be treated properly. Just stop lying, you know? Stop lying. It's so demoralising. And it's not... You don't need to do it. You don't need to do it. So look, I hope Michael Carrick's going to start dropping some stuff out about, you know, helping himself really. Just on the defence, moving on, I will come into some of your comments in a minute, but I thought this was really interesting.

27:22I haven't watched the whole episode yet, but I saw, basically I saw on the overlap, which was

27:32Carriger, Jill Scott, Wrighty, Keane and Neville. And they were talking about Lewis Hall. And I think Roy Keane was a little bit, I didn't really understand Roy Keane's point of view because he was sort of like saying Lewis Hall's probably not good enough. But then Gary and I think Jill Scott and somebody else were saying Lewis Hall would be a good signing. So that sort of, I was watching that clip and then it led into the defence. Obviously Lewis Hall is on a different level to Luke Shaw, but we're not signing Lewis Hall. That's not relevant. But it was what they said about the defence that really caught my eye.

28:05So Neville said, imagine that Maguire and Shaw get injured for three months. Imagine worst case scenario. You'd be worried to death. You've got Yarrow in heaven and then you've basically got Masraoui having to go left back. It becomes very messy very quickly with just one or two injuries. I would have said to Gary here, mate, regardless of whether Luke Shaw or Harry Maguire get injured for three months, it's messy anyway. Luke Shaw is a liability. Harry Maguire is going to be 34 this season and has never been the quickest in a back four. So I don't need to imagine Maguire and Shaw getting injured for three months for it to get messy.

28:43I think it gets messy anyway. I think it's already been messy. I think our defence is a concern. I mean, I like Martinez. I like Maguire. Hopefully, De Ligt will come back. I think Heaven's got a good future. Hopefully, Jorow has as well. But it's a messy defence anyway. so I don't think we need to imagine I mean look what's our best defence? Luke Shaw Martinez, De Ligt, De Lowe maybe put Maguire in for De Ligt, I don't mind. Either way I don't think it's a back four that I go ooh, that's not going to concede goals I think it's a leaky defence no matter what. Anyway Roy Keane says it's messy with them playing it is messy, they've conceded four goals in two games so after a game whether you've scored five or you've had a bad start to the season.

29:29I'm sure the Arsenal team back in the day or the Liverpool team would still go. We won the game, but we gave two goals away. You've got to be looking to keep a defence. I don't mind going over the top and accelerating, but defenders should be going into the dressing room afterwards saying, hey lads, we were rock solid today. I think the defence conversation I think is quite interesting and I wanted to bring it in for a minute.

29:54We went into a summer transfer window where I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think United realise the damage they've done with that summer transfer window. I think incompetence allows you to be naive. I genuinely think as fans, we probably have let them off a little bit lightly by just moaning about the left back. And I think we moaned about the left back because we were quite realistic. We were like, we're owned by the Glazers. They don't spend a lot of money. we do need three defenders but let's not be greedy let's get three midfielders and a left back and a forward and that wouldn't be a bad summer that's the sad thing for me I don't think three midfielders a left back and a striker was a good summer I think it was just a fan base that's absolutely used to this ownership going that's the maximum we will get and we didn't get that in reality I do agree that we probably needed a left back, a right back and a centre back and I think it's become more obvious now the season started that we did.

31:01De Ligt's coming back after a year out. A year out. I'm a big, big fan of De Ligt. I really am. But a year out of football with that type of injury, is there going to be secondary injuries? Will there be a recurrence of the injury? I mean, De Ligt is a very good player, but it's risky. Martinez again very very risky Yoro and Heaven kids who haven't and Yoro's not been given the developments he should have done Maguire 34 this season Luke Shaw we've spoken about Deleuwe and Masraoui you know we've spoken about I don't think they realise what they've done by ignoring the defence for a whole season when you've got to play twice a week I've played defence I'm sure you've played defence it is about relationships, it is about confidence, it is about organisation, it is about only being as strong as your weakest link.

32:01And at the highest level, if they know you're vulnerable to something, whether it's the ball over the top, whether it's the back post cross, whether it's getting down a certain wing, people will exploit it. And I think they've basically gone into a season in two ways with a massive poster saying you can get out of defence. You can, and we're not going to fix it for a year. In a way, it's like having building work done on your house and putting a big sign up saying we haven't got a back door, it's wide open. Now, you might get away with it. People might not come in through your back door, but the chances are they probably will.

32:51So I do think the defence is big. And I would admit for me, I did probably get overly obsessed with the midfield. Although I do remember saying back in May, the hipster area of the pitch, the hot take area of the pitch that needs resolving is both the fullbacks, which is part of the defence. But we haven't done it. And I do worry when people like Gary Neville, Roy Keane, Scholes, et cetera, Carragher, you know, prominent pundits are exposing an issue in the first week of the season. Because they're the same as you and I. If I see our fullbacks not getting goals and costing us goals this season, I'm going to say, I said this at the end of last season, midfield needs resolving, but fullback is a nightmare.

33:50They've put a marker in the sand really early about our defence. And if our defence doesn't produce, then it is going to be a recurring theme. And this is what I mean. You can't blame the personnel. I mean, I've heard Harry Maguire saying that he wanted competition for places. but I don't think they realise the damage they have done the flip side to that coin is I don't see how I don't see how Sir Jim Radcliffe, the Glazers, Wilcox, Barada come back from this at the moment I had a chat with somebody yesterday about Manchester United potential actions and stuff and I left that conversation by saying, look, whatever is decided to be done, we're always going to back regime change.

34:51That's not breaking news. Most Man United fans have wanted the Glazers out for at least 20 years. And I said, do I have any confidence that there will be any regime change? No. But have they ever been so vulnerable? No. I think that ownership and board are literally on the thinnest device. I don't see a way back for them. They have treated the fans so badly this summer, not just about the transfer window. They've treated a manager that we wanted backed badly as well. Players have come out and spoken about signings needing to be made. And now we're going into a season where the chances are we're probably not going to do as well as we could.

35:36So they are vulnerable. We'll just have to wait and see. But what we absolutely have to do and can still do is call out the lies. Will Carrick survive the season? This is from you lot. We've had nearly 7000 votes on this. It's interesting this. So this is topical. Will Michael Carrick survive the season? This is the United Stand community voting on it. You've got 36 percent of you saying yes, he will. you've got 64 % of you saying no he won't. So the majority, over 60 % are saying that Carrick will be gone by the end of the season. It's interesting this because if you'd have said this to me three weeks ago before we played Hull I would have said categorically Carrick will be here this time next year for the start of next season.

36:25What we've seen in the last three weeks the loss to Hull the abysmal transfer window the vulnerabilities of the squad going into a nine-month season. I'd say, I still think he'll be here next year, but I wouldn't be as confident as I was three weeks ago. Now, the interesting thing about that is, if I was confident Carrick would survive the season three weeks ago and I'm now down here, in three months, will it have gone back up or will it be going down? I think it's, I wouldn't be with the 64 % saying he won't be here in a year. I'd be with the 36 % that he will. However, I would completely acknowledge that it's dropping and that's not great going into a start of a season because ultimately the only way to survive is to win and do well.

37:19And it's whether you believe we can do that. In the short term, I think we'll be OK. In the long term, the more games we play, the more limited this squad is, the more injuries we pick up. Things could get very, very bad. So, yeah. Having said that, what would the motivation be to sack a manager that's always going to back them and is cheap and won't moan about transfers? I mean, is Michael Carrick not the perfect manager for this ownership? He's cheap. He's got a coaching staff that's cheap. He'll never call them out and he won't moan when they don't back him. So in a way, why would they want to sack somebody like that?

38:00You know, if I run a business and it's not doing very well, but I have somebody who's my manager of the business who just puts up with anything and, you know, still praises me, why would I get rid of him? So I don't know. But look, he's got a very, very, very, very, very difficult season ahead of him. There's no doubt about that. Um, um, Irish Ghost. Let me get into some of your comments. Irish Ghost says our back line wouldn't get into any other top four club. Mate, this is our back four from four years ago. And four years ago, people weren't saying this is a good back four. So four years ago, I actually went back four years.

38:41Not in time. I'm not Michael J. Fox and I haven't got a DeLorean, but it'd be great if you could. but I literally went back four years ago to some of our previews on the United Standard because they're there that's the great thing about 10 years of stuff and I was looking back four years ago at one of the previews and in I can't remember which game it was but I literally wasn't happy with the back four I was like I'm not convinced that Deleuze good enough long term I was saying Luke Shaw's coming towards the end Martin as I like why is Maguire still centre-back? You know, because we'd just come off the back of Hoover, Harry and Victor the vacuum.

39:24So I wasn't Maguire's biggest fan four years ago. I think Maguire in the last two years has been good. But, you know, so four years ago, this wasn't a good defence. I mean, four years ago, this defence was getting turned over by Brighton and Brentford, wasn't it? In the first two games of the season. So yeah, you're right. This back line's not better than it was four years ago and four years ago, it wasn't great either. We did have Varane there, so I'm not saying it was the starting one every week, but we've certainly used this back four before. Is the Zinchenko news true, says Matty? Oh, don't.

40:00You know what? I think Zinchenko's a bit of a knobhead. I don't want him anywhere near Man United. Yeah, I've seen like, you know, when he was shoving Grealish and stuff like that, he just looks like a bit of a prat. So, yeah, I wouldn't go for that. Sorry, I'm just retweeting something here because we're giving away signed Wayne Rooney stuff. Funny that was. Right. Welcome to Members Club. Cash out. Don't forget to check our new members video with Rooney today. It's brilliant. How all is going to be a good signing in a position of need? Can you understand the hype on him, Mark? Let's be honest.

40:40It's not like we are waiting for Alvarez or Kane Hockimi. standards are so bad, says Kevin. Mate, I'm not falling into that trap again. In fact, I'm calling it a lie. And there's nothing United can do about it because they can't prove the lie to be wrong or right for nine months. So I've got nine months of calling them liars. We're not signing Lewis Hall. They're lying. And they can't prove me wrong. But look, Lewis Hall should have been signed this summer. Next summer, if he has a good season, he'll be out of price. And if he has a bad season, are you doing a blaber again? So I don't know what I think about Lewis Hall next summer because we've got nine months.

41:21If he has a bad season, I'd be saying that's a warning sign. Maybe we shouldn't do it. If he has a good season, I think he'll be out of our range. They're using Lewis Hall, Kevin, to spin you. There's no truth in Lewis Hall to Man United as of today. It's just, let's lie to our fans and make them feel positive. And it won't work. Is Sesco being helped be better than Rasmus, says York? Look, I think that Stormy5, welcome to Members Club. Thanks for joining. I think in relation to Sesco, this is a conversation that I'm more than willing to have. And in fact, we'll probably do it on the preview at eight o 'clock tonight.

41:57I don't think Carrick sees him as a starter. I think it's a debate point, but I don't think Sesko is a starter for Manchester United and I think the evidence is there over the last four months of last season and the last two games this season I don't think Carrick sees Sesko as a starter I don't really know why but I don't think he does with Rashford people just need to be objective not be overly critical not be overly praiseful look at him purely based on performance without any baggage I love that comment Silent Bishop as I said I'm in a really good place with Rashford as a fan you know I've had years where he was one of my favorite players with Martial then I had those years where I I fucking you know was so frustrated with him and I think with with with obvious reason not tracking back the Belfast stuff you know obviously things were going on um then he went to Barcelona I was happy for him and I I thought, you know, with both parted ways, wish him all the best.

43:00Then he's coming back to Man United, which I find really confusing. But then I look at it objectively and go, well, he'd be in Barcelona if he could be. And United basically have put him in a situation where he's back at Man United. I think just keeping an open mind with Rashford is really important. But I will say it again. I think United are causing more problems for Rashford than he needs. I think putting Rashford in player of the month is ridiculous. I think they're almost... I think United are run by Prats, basically. There's Prats in Man United's organisation who think they're more intelligent than you, but actually they're not.

43:42Look at the transfer window. They think they've done a good job. Let's do a little clip of Luke Shaw, and they think everyone's going to go, ooh, Luke Shaw, and they go, let's say we're signing Lewis Hall next season. and everyone will be pro-Glazer again. But two or three years ago, this would have worked. I think people see through the bullshit now. But yeah, I think you're right. Well, look, people can do what they want, but I think keeping an open mind on Rashford is a really good way of looking at it.

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45:56I've just been sent this by Beth. It's from Craig Hope in the Daily Mail. Manchester United, they've not acted like a big club this summer. From a position of strength back in the Champions League, they've not capitalised. Fast forward 12 months and the midfield conundrum we've spoken about so much about will still be a topic of debate. Tillemans and Santos, one Premier League goal between them last season are not the answer. They have let down head coach Carrick. I mean, look, it's an objective opinion. It doesn't make it right. I personally don't think that Tillemans and Santos and Belaber are the problem.

46:29They might become the problem. But for me, I don't have a problem with Santos, Tillemans and Belaber. They're not the midfielders I would have bought. But there's a load to moan about without moaning about them. Like, did we buy three midfielders? Yes. Would I have liked three better midfielders? Yes. Did they get the quality we needed? No, but I still am not. I don't think that's the problem. It might become the problem, but I don't think that's the problem. The problem for me is the complete and utter lack of spending elsewhere. Kunyur in the men's for far better than Rashford, says Rajaf. Do we know how much it will be to Sat Carrick, it'll be very cheap, Alexander.

47:09He's on very cheap wages anyway. Raki says, hi, Mark. I find it so worrying and disgraceful that when Shaw, Martinez, Maguire and Deleuze play, it's the same back four from Ten Hag's opening games. Do you think we should raise the issue more? I think it's being raised, mate. As I say, I think the defence is going to become more and more of an issue quicker than we thought because it's being spoken about a lot already. The faith is fully gone. We already know how next summer is going to be. slow and no transfer updates and three signings spread over 90 days. Very boring, says Kevin. Yeah, I mean, I think if you want me to predict next summer transfer window, and I don't think anybody would predict it any different, we will spend all summer trying to buy three defenders who will be option D, E and F because we won't pay for the options of A, B and C.

47:55There'll be somewhere else on the pitch that we need to buy that we won't buy. And we'll be down near the bottom of the league for expenditure and sales again. I mean, I can't, I don't like looking 12 months ahead, but I can't see how that changes. I really can't. We're still going to not overpay. We're still not going to be able to sell. And we're going to end up with plan D and E again. And we won't go and buy somebody other than defenders. So you're right. In a way, it's very, very predictable. Why has the debt not been paid? It's over two decades, says Smith. Mate, there's probably most people in this chat like me that have got a mortgage, which is debt.

48:35And some of you will be paying that debt off a little bit and a lot of interest. Some people won't be paying the debt off at all. They'll just be paying the interest. United see the debt like that, but they don't pay it off. They just pay the interest. They just service the debt. So if the debt's 20 million, it stays at 20 million by paying a certain amount to pay the interest off. We've paid over a billion pounds in interest in the last 20 years and the debt's not come down at all. It's incredible. If we weren't in debt, it's incredible. Somebody told me about two years ago, if the Glazers hadn't put us into debt, there's over a billion pounds of debt, interest and repayments that has been spent by Man United's revenue on that.

49:26That's not obviously Glazer money. That's Manchester United revenue paying the debt interest to a value of a billion pounds. So that billion pounds was Man United revenue from TV deals, shirt sales, tickets. A billion pounds of Man United's money has just gone out the window on Glazer debt. Imagine what you could have done with that billion pounds. could have built a stadium, could have built a better squad, could have really employed best in class. This is all fact that has been buried, but it's true. The money that has been wasted and then you get certain ex-players sat there doing videos that they upload to the internet, expose it.

50:18They may as well have a bloody clown wig on and big shoes and makeup on. Because they sit there talking about financial restrictions and having to be realistic. And you literally have a book full of facts that would make them look a moron. Hold on a minute, sir. Can you just stop talking shit? Over a billion pounds of man-united money in the last 10 years has gone on debt interest. And you're talking about hard times and financial restrictions. At least research what you're talking about. We don't spend money because we've got greedy owners who want to drain us of blood like a fucking vampire.

50:53That's not financial restrictions. That's not PSR. That's Glazer ownership. It's incredible that these owners had almost 10 years training on how to shrewdly buy and sell assets by Sir Alex and they learned nothing from him, says Karnadave. Ashi says, dividend freeze negotiated in takeover deal ends in February. Are we saving up for that payment? DNA, thank you very much for your super chat. Cars, I don't know what you're talking about in 2026, but I'll put you out of your misery. I really don't understand they are supposed to be investors. I'm afraid of what's to come, says Ian Wright. Yeah, but the Glazer family aren't self-made.

51:32Their dad made the money. Their dad built the business from, you know, rags to riches. They're just inheritors of money. So if, for example, if when I retire one of my kids takes over the United Stand and everyone goes it's shit, it's fell off which some people say anyway you wouldn't be able to go well how has it fallen off? They've built this they haven't built it ever have they? You know I built it from one show a week with 10 people watching to what it is today they've just inherited it so they're not you know when people say the Glazers are good business people based on what? They're trust fund kids, aren't they?

52:16They've not inherited it. So Jim Radcliffe should be a better businessman. I mean, he is rags to riches. He is a local lad from Manchester that's now a billionaire with Ineos. But the problem there is as well, and this is another lesson in rich people, some rich people inherit the money. They're not good business people. Some rich people are rich because they do it in a niche where they're very, very good. Football is not biochemicals. I know lots and lots of people who are very, very rich, who know fuck all about football, who think they do. Because football's something where you get... I mean, like, people say, you know, there are these stats people out there, like H, very, very, very, you know, we do the Fantasy Premier League, I really like his account.

53:03I don't know whether H plays football or not, but let's pretend he doesn't. Would anybody be so stupid as to say you've never kicked a ball in your life at any level so you can't talk about tactics and you can't talk in depth about football. It's completely utter nonsense. Look at Arsene Wenger, look at Jose Mourinho. They didn't play at the highest level. With football, you absolutely get out what you get in. When I used to get home from school at eight years of age and spend half an hour with a bowl of cereal, reading teletext, page 312, 302, reading about football, blah, blah, blah, or match magazine or shoot magazine, or doing a paper round from the age of 11 till 15 every morning, reading all the football news on every paper, watching every game you could on TV, even if it's a bloody Thursday night Cup Winners Cup game.

53:48Over the years, this, you know, chatting to your mates down the pub or on the way to school about whether you'd sell him that, this is like, this is what makes you knowledgeable about football. It's the years you put in. You can't wander in, you know, I'm a Man United fan, even though I've got a season ticket at Chelsea, I love football. You know, it doesn't matter whether you're a billionaire from technology, you can't play it knowing what you're on about with football. And that's the problem at Man United. There's not a lot of knowledge in there. And also for me, one of the biggest issues is there's nobody in that boardroom or ownership that actually knows Manchester United.

54:27There isn't. And we're one of those clubs like Liverpool that pride ourselves on the United way. And I think every Man United fan knows the United way. How many in the boardroom do. I don't think they get it. And that's why you get summers like this. And that's why you get season ticket holders having their tickets taken off them. And that's why you sack off your workforce. And that's why you take the charity contributions away from ex-players. Because there's nobody in that boardroom saying, we can't do that. That's not what we're about. Man United don't do that. We don't treat people like that.

55:02We don't treat our fans like that. We don't show no ambition like that, we've lost our soul in the boardroom. It still very much exists in the fan base, but in the boardroom it's gone. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail, says Jahid. They want to buy only Premier League players where it's proven firstly, those players are more expensive, which we don't want to pay, and secondly, this summer has shown very few, if any, Premier League clubs want to deal with this, says Patrick. I like Premier League proven when it's Kunja or it's Tillemans and it's good value for money with a release clause.

55:36I think Cunha is probably an£80 million player and we got him for£60. And I think Tillemans at£35 million is very, very good. Where I have a problem with Premier League proven is Balaba and Santos. Now, I hope they do really, really well. But£48 million for a Chelsea bench player, I think you get a player like that in Europe for£35. £70 million for Balaba off the back of a bad season from Brighton, I think you get a player like that in Europe for 50. So I do agree with Premier League proven to a certain extent, but not obsessively. Like every player we've bought is Premier League proven this summer.

56:16And I think there was, you don't need to do that. And in a way, you're contradicting your, I don't want to overpay because Patrick's right. In the Premier League, you overpay anyway. You do. And look, I want Santos to do well, but£48 million was too much. And look, I want Belaber to do well, but£70 million was too much. But that's the Premier League premium, isn't it? And as we've said so many times, it's boring me. You can pay the Premier League premium if you're selling in the Premier League premium. and I think Chelsea are a prime example of this. You pay£117 million for Morgan Rodgers, which is way too much money, but then you get£50 million for Liam DeLapp.

57:02I mean, I was doing a video with, and also they got money for Nicolas Jackson. I did a video with Rory Jennings, the Chelsea fan. It's quite tame calling him Rory Jennings, the Chelsea fan, isn't it? You could call him something else and he would accept it. Premier League predictions, which is out tomorrow. And we were talking about the transfer window and he couldn't believe, like he was far, far firmer on De Lapp than I have ever been. He basically said, I don't know how we've basically doubled our money on one of the crappiest strikers I've ever seen in a Chelsea shirt. And that's a Chelsea fan saying that.

57:39And he's talking about Liam De Lapp. So it's all right saying you want, Patrick, what I'm saying is, is the idiocy of only buying Premier League proven players when you can't sell in the Premier League is ridiculous. Because you will always overpay in the Premier League. So you better be selling in the Premier League. And we didn't. Even if we challenge for the Premier League next season, we have one year window in 2028. Bruno is 34. Jory is 32. Kunio and Mbemo will be 30. It's just a cycle of bullshit, says Naveen. The Pepsi man says, so we should be excited that Lewis Hall is technically possible next summer.

58:16So exciting. What happens if we don't go to Europe or City want him, says Pepsi Man. Look, even if we do sign Lewis Hall next summer, which is very, very unlikely, imagine on Christmas Day morning, you're on your phone and all your mates are sending pictures of their new, their PS5 with GTA 6, right? And they're all playing it, right? And they're going, are you coming online? And you go, no, I haven't got GTA 6. What do you mean? My parents have said, get excited, you're getting it next year.

58:56Well, all my mates are playing GTA 6 now. That doesn't help me now. And also, next year might be too late. And I might be getting it next year. And this is why I just... I cannot believe people... Actually, you know what? Let's be honest. I don't think anybody is following the bullshit anymore. Thankfully, I don't think they are. You see the reaction to Rio's video, some accounts on social media. They're being called out. I mean, I retweeted something today because it made me laugh. There's actually a league table of the biggest shills for the Glazers. And the person who's done it is apparently going to change the league table every week.

59:35So, yeah. And those people are being ridiculed. and rightly so because I think we've hit a point now where nobody's falling for the shit anymore. As I said, there's that account who is very good on injuries. Sully, we've had a bit of a back and forth this year but I always respect people who work hard but also have a level of credibility and I've always said about injuries, they've been very, very good. Transfers, I wasn't so sure about it and the transfer window can be quite aggressive. But even they came out on transfer deadline day and said it's not acceptable. So I think people are waking up to the fact that it's just not good enough.

1:00:20But on its very basic level, if you think we're signing Lewis Hall next summer, look at everyone else this season. They've got GTA 6 for a year. You haven't. And you might not get it. So why would you be happy about that? Can't sell to the Premier League though, can we? Says Lee Berman. exactly. Thoughts on the new overlap? Especially Keane. I've not watched it all yet, mate, but I've spoken a bit about it in here. These owners are the worst owners in Premier League history, says Green Dog. Well, we have got a game at the weekend, funnily enough, with a set of owners that arguably are worse than us, which is Everton.

1:00:53They're not worse than us, though, because they haven't got us in debt. Big Earn, welcome to the Members Club. Thank you very much. And cash out as well. The debt owed is huge, though. How are they getting away with it at that rate means the banks who lended them will never see the funds again. Mate, if I lend Man United a billion pounds and they're paying me 30 million pounds a year, I'm doing all right out of that. And also Man United are never not going to service that debt. They're too big an organisation. So trust me, if you're a bank lending money to Man United, you'll keep doing it. They are a good organisation to loan to because they're so high profile.

1:01:34Hel, welcome to Members Club. Jake, Sonti and Varun as well. I saw it posted all over Instagram on Monday that Rashford was first to leave after the game. Unreal how that was a headline, not a new left back or a striker. As somebody just said, we need to just focus on Rashford playing football. United, I don't think are doing a very good job with him at the moment, like putting him up for player of the month and all this bollocks. It's just, I don't think it helps him. Just let him get player of the month when he actually scores the goals and get assists, which I'm sure he will. Belaber has shown that he may have confidence or pressure struggles.

1:02:04The club have made it so. If he makes a mistake, he's hounded, says Lawley. This defence was set up for three at the back formation, not a four. We need changes, says Gazza. Great point. Let's remember we can't spend because the owners are thieving leeches. If we had owners that can afford to run the club properly, we'd be totally fine, says Verdi. Thank you very much for that. OK, great show this morning. Really enjoyed that. We've got the preview at eight o 'clock. We've got Ben Jacobs on at one o 'clock. Very brave, Ben, coming on. Braveheart Ben Hard to be a journalist At the moment So give him some respect You know It's hard to be a journalist Around Man United It's not their fault They're not the board So I'm interested to see What he's got to say But look Comes with a warning There might be a mention Of Luke Shaw next summer Members Check out the Rooney video With me On the members section You'll fucking love it Weekend starts early It's the best video we've done Combined Premier League All time Man United 11 With a twist It's really good And you can get involved as well So if you are a member, please do check it out.

1:03:03It's on the member section. It's the best one we've uploaded. Remember, every week you get two additional bits of content, Fantasy Premier League on a Wednesday and a bit with me and Rooney on a Thursday. So there's loads there now because we've been doing it for a few weeks. Check it out. Stay safe. I'll speak to you in a bit. Take care.

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