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1:20Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news. Lots to get into. Michael Carrick with some big comments around injuries, around his plans up front. Is it going to be Cunha for the season and Sesco on the bench? Also, big comments coming in around from Deco at Barcelona and why it was a no for Marcus Rashford on the morning that The Telegraph had put another Marcus Rashford article out. I think that's the third I've read this week where journalists have just done an article on Rashford. Is it make or break for Rashford this season?

1:53Is it make or break for Carrick tomorrow? Also, some big injury updates coming. For a new show, we have got loads of topics. So let's get it. We've got more topics than a GCSE. I don't know. You do a lot of topics in GCSEs, don't you? Arts, maths. I didn't think it through. I was rubbish at GCSEs. Anyway, let's get into the show. I hope you're all doing very well. I want to start off with a bit of injury news, first of all, because I think Michael Carrick has sort of hinted that we do have a couple of injury issues. Also, big Balaba update coming in this morning. I think it's the Manchester Evening News who have reported it.

2:27I might be a little bit unfair in giving them credit when it wasn't actually them. Let me just double check. Balaba, Balaba, Balaba, Balaba, Balaba. It was the Manchester Evening News. Balaba is unlikely to be fit to face Brighton in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday or Fulham in the Premier League next Sunday. Instead, his focus is to return in October. Obviously, we've got an international break coming up very, very soon. So it looks like we won't see Belaber for another month. It's a month's time until we play that game against Spurs, four weeks today. So Belaber will not be back until then. Look, what do you want to do about it, really?

3:11I had forgotten about Belaber in the sense that, obviously, he would need to be training now to play against Fulham or Brighton next week. So logically, he was never going to come back till October. So, you know, it is what it is. The most important thing is that we beat Man City, we beat Brighton and we beat Fulham and then it won't matter. If the midfield gets exposed in the next three games, then you might look at it and go, what a great summer transfer window he had buying our marquee midfield signing who wouldn't be fit till October. So look, judge it when it happens, but hopefully we can navigate these games without him.

3:49And when he comes back, he can bring some intensity and speed to that midfield, which I think we're lacking defensively. So probably not much of a shock there, but let me know your thoughts about that. On Luke Shaw, Michael Carrick himself admitting in the press conference yesterday that with Luke Shaw, there is an issue. You know, they were trying to say that it was a day off and all that stuff. acknowledgement that no. He said that we'll have to see what happens with him. We've looked after him a little bit going into the Sabah game. He wasn't quite right, not 100%, so we didn't risk it. But we'll see how he is over the next couple of days or so.

4:27So look, there's an admission. Luke Shaw actually is injured. It might be a minor injury, but he is injured. So none of this rubbish about giving him an extra day off or anything like that. Luke Shaw was carrying an issue against Sabah, so he couldn't be involved. Yabba dabba doo. And this is what happens when you have a football club that is run like a bloody political party. It's all about spin and smoke and mirrors because they didn't buy a left back. So it's very embarrassing for them a week after the transfer window closed where everybody was saying sign a left back. The only real left back we've got has a little knock.

5:03So they try and go, oh, it was a planned day off. It wasn't a planned day off, was it? He's clearly got a little knock. Now, I think Luke Shaw will play tomorrow. We'll have to wait and see if there's any pictures of him training today. But whether he plays tomorrow or not, it's still a glaring issue that right at the start of the season, when we start playing two games a week, he can't do the first game that's in the middle of the week, can he? So, you know, if Luke Shaw gets through this season, I'll be absolutely stunned. In fact, I feel like bringing back the charity donation if Luke Shaw's still fit at Christmas.

5:35But part of me thinks Halloween. Anyway, also another update on Marcus Rashford. There's been an article come out about Rashford this morning in The Telegraph. And basically, Michael Carrick had said that with Rashford on Thursday, there was a little bit about precautionary. He said, was it precautionary? A little bit. Yeah. And trying to share the load a little bit as well. We've got good options. So we're trying to keep everyone fresh. But with Sesco can get minutes, etc. There's always a bit of a challenge. But it was nice to keep Rashford fit and ready for the weekend. So a little bit of an issue with Rashford.

6:12Funnily enough, there's another article come out this morning about Carrick's integration of Rashford. I mean, I read this in The Athletic on Tuesday, but another one this morning in The Telegraph. But what it did say that's quite interesting is that Rashford was managing a hip problem during the World Cup. And Michael Carrick's willingness to take him back at Man United provided Rashford with peace of mind during this period, as he's a far more sensitive character than many appreciate. I don't know what that means because it's just words. You know, I literally read this just before I went live, so I don't really know what this means.

6:48If he was managing a hip problem during the summer and Michael Carrick provided him with the reassurance and peace of mind he needed, and Rashford's feeling better about that, what?

7:05I'll say it. nobody wanted Rashford then, did they? So basically, I mean, I sort of read it and go, what choice did Michael Carrick have with a player that's on 300 grand a week who has nowhere else to go? I mean, I don't know what I'm meant to do with that, really. I understand Rashford's side because, well, I don't actually understand Rashford's side. Peace of mind. You've got a two-year contract on 300 grand a week. They can't get rid of you, mate. So I don't get that. I'd rather just stay out of it, to be honest. I don't really get the whole had a hip problem when he was at England and Carrick gave him the reassurances.

7:45He's got two years on a contract that's worth 300 grand a week. I mean, what reassurances does he need? I don't get the story. I don't get the story at all. I don't really get what that's all about. Maybe he had a bit of a hip problem. I mean, apparently there was still offers from Turkey, Saudi. I don't know. Maybe it's a piece to go, oh, Carrick really want... I don't know. I don't know. I don't really get it. And I don't really get why we keep getting articles about Rashford. I think just... I have an open mind with Rashford, as you know. I think he's played well this season. Hopefully he's going to score tomorrow.

8:20I just want to talk about Rashford on the pitch. I don't want to, you know, go online every morning and see an article about Rashford. I just don't... And I said this would happen. I said this would happen. I don't blame Rashford. I don't blame Manchester United. but the media will just never stop writing articles about him. And it's, I don't know. Interestingly enough, just on the Rashford situation, I don't think we can swerve this one as much as I would like to. I saw Fabrizio talking about it. And then there's something on Gabriel as well. But this is Deco, who is the Barcelona sporting director, who's literally said in recent hours, they thanked Rashford for last season, but they chose Anthony Gordon because Hansi Flick wanted a player who could cover several attacking positions and also do a lot of defensive work.

9:09Flick personally respected Rashford and had a good relationship and was happy with his attitude and performances but the tactical requirement for extra defensive work was the reason they went another way. Carrick is obviously pleased with Rashford and the mood around him at United is very, very positive. The actual quotes from Deco were, We were grateful to Rashford. He contributed a lot last season But our idea of play is much more linked to Anthony Gordon. His style fits with what the coach is looking for. When Rafinha wasn't on the pitch, the team lost energy. We needed more intensity. We analysed a lot of wingers.

9:42Signing someone from the Premier League looked almost impossible, but the manager was clear what he wanted and we worked on a deal from there. Look, I would like to sweep that under the carpet because I think there is the Rashford fan club. There is the Rashford hate club. There is the people like me who sit on, you know, the open mind. He's a Man United player. I hope he can do well. I think this sort of story, you know, it's from the Barcelona director. And it's basically saying thank you to Marcus Rashford for last season. But we went for somebody else because we don't think you work as hard.

10:16We should do nothing for the whole Rashford doesn't track back thing. I sort of look at that. And again, I'll probably get pelters for this. But I'm going to defend Rashford on this. I mean, he's 29 in a few weeks. asking somebody who's played on the wing for a decade at 29 to start tracking back. I think he's going to try and do it. And, you know, if Rashford ends up injured, just remember what we're trying to do with somebody who's 29 now. We're asking him to, you know, get forward and do the runs, but also sprint back and do all the defensive work as well. I don't think, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

10:57But I think it's ridiculous. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that we're almost putting this marker down that not only have you got to get forward, score goals and create goals, but now you've got to track back and work hard as well. I think you're asking a lot for somebody that's never really done it in recent years and is also going to be 29. I think we're asking a lot. I also think that there might be a different reason why Barcelona don't want Rashford. And correct me if I'm wrong, I think Anthony Gordon's in his mid-20s and has always been a bit of a workhorse winger, whereas Rashford is approaching 30.

11:33So I don't think it's as simple as... I mean, if you listen to what Deco said, it wasn't we got rid of Rashford because it isn't work hard. It was paying 300 grand a week and£25 million to Manchester United for a 29-year-old who doesn't necessarily track back as well as Anthony Gordon, who won't be on£300 grand a week, who will cost£60 million and is in his mid-20s. From a financial point of view, an Adi Amy from Dortmund who's in his early 20s. I think Barcelona took a financial decision on two players that are going to be around longer, are a better financial package and probably do work harder because Dortmund work hard and Newcastle work hard.

12:19Man United created this situation. Man United created this situation by giving Rashford the contract in the first place. It's not Rashford's fault. It's not Barcelona's fault. You tell me a top club that is going to take Marcus Rashford and he'd be wearing their shirt. He's back at Manchester United because we gave a very, very, very silly contract to a player that was going to be, you know, in his late 20s when that contract ended. And we expected him to be one of the best players in the world. That's not happened. We've given lots of these contracts out. Now, I mean, look, Rashford's contract's nowhere near as bad as Alexi Sanchez's or Jadon Sancho's.

12:58But I don't want to see people going, oh, Barcelona have snubbed Rashford because he's lazy. I think that's nonsense. I just think they were looking for a profile of player who was cheaper and had more years left in the tank and worked a bit harder. Doesn't mean Rashford can't work at United. But I do worry that we might go down this pathway of Rashford doesn't track back, Rashford doesn't track back. I mean, look, I want wingers that track back. I really do. But I also think it's very, very difficult to demand a player that has had injuries. He's had injuries in his career. I mean, if this hip problem, you know, he's 29 next month.

13:34I mean, he's not getting any younger and he's had a lot of football in his legs. People forget that about Rashford as well. How many appearances he made? He started very, very young. You're now asking a winger who's never really been about that to say, oh, you've got to track back and double up with Luke Shaw, he'll be injured before we know it. So look, Marcus Rashford's back at Manchester United. We've known about this for weeks. He's had a good start. Let's focus on getting what we can get out of him because that summer transfer window was shit. We didn't buy a winger. We didn't buy a striker.

14:05We didn't buy a left back. So we bloody better hope that Rashford does well. And I don't want that Barcelona story to turn into, oh, they got rid of him because he was lazy. I don't think it was about that. I really don't. And look, we've got a massive game tomorrow and he's in good form. My personal advice is I just don't think the constant articles about Rashford being back are good. Bruno was talking about him yesterday. Carrick was talking about him. A new article today in The Telegraph, an article on Tuesday. We drew to Everton last weekend, by the way. It's turning into the Rashford show, says Rossi.

14:45And this is always the problem. And if Marcus Rashford is this shy and quiet and sensitive individual, then why are people writing articles about him all the time? Just let him get on with being a Man United player, because that's going to be beneficial to everybody. It really will. Because I see a lot of these articles and underneath it, I just read PR, PR, PR, and that's not going to help. We're meant to be Manchester United, aren't we? Anyway, we move on. I want to talk about some of the comments that Michael Carrick has made, But on a more positive note, lots and lots of talk of JJ Gabriel, Fabrizio himself saying United must now decide how to manage his future and when to involve him in the first team.

15:26Because people inside United are stunned by the quality of this boy. Hat-trick in the Champions League under-21s, I think it is, on Thursday against Sabah. Incredible talent who feel, I mean, look, I don't know. I think until you start playing in the first team, you just don't know. But incredible talent and certainly a player that it feels like that there are, you know, genuine reasons to think about getting him involved in his first matchday squad on Wednesday against Brighton. And honestly, I think that we sort of saw it with Sabah. If you don't get JJ involved on Wednesday, are you then waiting for an FA Cup game in January and hoping that you don't pull out Liverpool and you pull out, I don't know, Leighton Orient?

16:13Because I don't know. I don't know how this plays out. We're doing everything right. I mean, everything I've heard, we're doing everything right. He seems to be quite settled at United. there was that mumbling a couple of years ago that he might leave obviously the you never know what's around the player and I'm you know I have got no idea he might have parents who just want him to play Man United for the rest of his life he might have an agent who wants him at Real Madrid in two years I don't know I don't know what that is but what Manchester United need to do is realise that next summer or the summer after I think it might be next summer nothing stops him signing for Real Madrid or PSG or Arsenal nothing we can't stop it we can stop Kunia going to Arsenal next summer because he has a contract but with a player of that age they don't sign their first professional contract until they're 16 so I think it's next summer or October next year or something and basically it's offers on the table, you pick the one you want.

17:19So what Man United have got to do, within reason, is show a pathway to this Manchester United first team. In a way, they might also need to show a pathway that this is the place for him to be, i.e. when was the last young player that we developed all the way through properly. Because I tell you what, I look at it, if we'd signed Jude Bellingham when he was touring Man United, he would not be playing for Real Madrid now. He wouldn't have had the career he did. If we'd signed Erling Haaland, would he have done what he did at Man City? Both still brilliant players, but would their pathway have been harder in a United shit show?

17:57So that's something as well that I think United, it's not just about the minutes, it's about the platform. I mean, if JJ left next summer and went and played for PSG and was starting for PSG or he went to Arsenal and was involved, United need to look at how they develop young players. And the first step of that for me is getting involved in the Brighton game. Like get him minutes, get him involved, put him in matchday squads, have him on the bench. If you're 4-0 up at home against Brentford, you bring him on for 15 minutes. And so I think, look, we'll have to wait and see, but this is, for some people they go, oh, he's only 15, it doesn't matter.

18:31But when you understand the world of football and you understand the list of clubs that will be offering him contracts next year. It sounds incredible that you've got to basically persuade a 15-year-old to sign a contract at Man United. But if he's as special as he's going to, you know, many people think he's going to be, then you do have to do that. So it's going to be very interesting. So for me, I would be looking to get him involved. I hope, I'm hoping we see more of Lacey this season. I really think he's a good player. Hopefully you can see more of Amas at left back too. Thanks for your super chat, Recon Guy.

19:07I mean, I suppose that fits in with what we were talking about there about JJ. Where are these games coming up? We've just played our easiest Champions League game. We know tomorrow's make or break. We've dropped a few points already. Carabao Cup, Brighton. I mean, there's not necessarily a lot of opportunities for these players to play. but I always divert to, I saw Nicky Buck playing in the Champions League in 94. You know, I saw Paul Scholes playing in the Premier League. You can integrate young players even if the game is a difficult game. You can do it. Rashford said only Barca and they don't want him, says Kiel.

19:51Translation, Rashford screwed. Rashford, thank you very much for your super chats, Kiel there. Thank you very much. Let's move on to, oh, look, I think tomorrow, very exciting, Manchester derby. if you didn't know. Make or break, certainly. I think if we don't win tomorrow, it does start to break and the cracks start to appear. There has been a lot more scrutiny on Michael Carrick this season because the results haven't been as good as last season. And he needs a win tomorrow. I mean, I don't want to discuss a draw. He needs a win tomorrow. And how he goes about that, look, it's a Manchester derby.

20:27Anything can happen. But there was a few interesting comments that he was asked about in his press conference and he was asked about if he thought he'd be managing Man United after they beat Manchester City in January in his very first game. Did he think he'd be managing Man United this season? And he said, yeah, I think I said it pretty early on. All the decisions we were making were as if we were going to be here for a period of time. I never knew how long that was going to be and I still don't. But you're always planning for what we want the future to look like and the direction we want to go.

20:57And that was from day one. It was quick there was a turnaround and as I've just said about that game there was a bit of an unknown to be honest with you but there definitely was and always has been from the start planning to get this club to where we want it to get to in the long term so Carrick interestingly saying that he was planning from day one that he would keep the job and start to build something new at Manchester United which I think is quite reassuring really that he didn't see it just an interim and he saw that. One thing that you might have missed from the Sabah reaction actually is that Michael Carrick thinks we're playing good football this season.

21:34He thinks we're playing better football than last season. Sorry.

21:39Yeah, I mean, look, I sort of throw that to you. Do you think we're playing better football this season than we were last season? I think it's too early to tell. I thought Hull was shit, really shit. I thought Ipswich in the first half wasn't much better in the second half I think when we got 2-1 in front and it was a bit fortuitous because Maguire did handle it but technically he didn't um Ipswich opened up a bit and we had a field day Everton was a very scrappy game and the second half was very disappointing and we didn't create enough chances to kill the game and then Sabah was a bit like a you know pre-season exhibition.

22:21So I think it's a sort of look. Michael Carrick's got to try and find the positives in a poor start to the season. And the best way to do that is to, because last season was so good results-wise and this season so far hasn't been as good. So you've got to find the positives in this year to last year. So if he's saying, well, we're playing better football, despite the results last year being good and the results this year being bad, it's sort of a subconscious way of saying, well, we're better than last season. I think winning tomorrow helps on the pathway to that, if I'm being completely honest.

22:54I think you beat Man City tomorrow.

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24:57Reset of the season, basically. So, I think that there are things this season that look better. Like, we're definitely attacking down the left-hand side better. I think that Rashford and Shaw have shown, you know, at least there's a couple of crosses going in. There's a bit of an overlap going on. There's a bit of an excitement when the ball goes down the left-hand side. So I would acknowledge that. However, I just don't think we create enough chances. I think we shoot a lot. I think we try to shoot a lot. I mean, Maz Raui was doing my head in the other night. He's a defensive fullback shooting from every chance he can.

25:43And I'm like, you know, I don't want to see that indiscipline that we saw under Oli and Ten Hag coming back where all anybody wants to do is shoot. And that was a tactic, by the way. Under Ten Hag and Oli, that was from the manager. That was shoot on sight, we might score a worldie. And I don't really like that brand of football. I want us to create chances. I want people to be missing chances in the box. I want chances in the box. So let's wait and see on the style of football thing. But that leads us nicely into the attacking situation because this is what Michael Carrick had to say about Cunha and Sesko being different types of strikers.

26:18Now, I think it was Rooney on Stick to United the other day. He says, I'm not having Cunha as a striker. Well, we may well have Cunha as a striker because he is now being described as a striker by our manager. He says, Cunha and Sesko up front definitely do have different understandings of the position. it's obvious that they've got different strengths I think there are principles of what we're trying to achieve as a team and how we're trying to play which hopefully don't change too much with personnel but it definitely gives us different options if that makes sense we still want to play a certain way and certain things but there's a different threat to Benjamin Sesko Kunja and Mbermo or Rashford or whoever's up there so it depends a little bit on the opposition a little bit on the balance of our team and certain things we want to attack, certain spaces or whatever that may be.

27:10Sometimes it's in possession, sometimes it's without a ball and certain things we've got to defend, certain areas. So there's quite a bit that goes into it. You know what I think? I think that this is a poor assessment of our attack and I think it's the classic trying to be too clever too soon. What's the saying? It's trying to run before you can walk. Manchester United for 10 years have struggled to play good football Manchester United for 10 years have consistently been inconsistent Manchester United for 10 years have constantly let this fan base down turning up at Hull and losing or getting smashed by Brentford or Bournemouth or whoever I don't really want to hear about we look at different games we look at different oppositions and we might try Rashford, Cunha and Mbremo but in another game we might play Cunha off the left and Sesko up front and Ahmad on the right.

28:04You know, different games, different ways of playing. Look at Man City under Pep. It was Erling Haaland every bloody week. Look at Arsenal. He wants to play Havertz there. He's tried the Jokeres thing but he wants to play Havertz there. Look at Alonso at Chelsea. It's Morgan Rodgers and Cole Palmer behind Pedro. Look at Liverpool. They're still figuring it out, what they're going to do on the wing but it's going to be Isak up front. It's going to be Wurtz in behind with Suboslay there and a deeper midfielder. And then he's going to figure out his wingers. I don't know what we're thinking about going, one game we might try Cunha up front with Rashford on the left.

28:43Then another game we might put Mbemo up front with Cunha on the left. And in another game we might put Sesko up front. I think that sometimes when you are being scrutinised as a Man United manager, and we've seen this before, Reuben Amrim got criticised last year because he stuck with the back three that the players couldn't play. And I think he was right to do that, but ultimately it cost him his job. Eric Ten Hag came in, wanted to play Ajax football, couldn't do it and ended up playing Oli ball. Wasn't really what he was about, but it helped him get some results. I think if Carrick is thinking about looking at each game and going, I might use Kunja today because they play like that, or I might use Sesko tomorrow because they play like that.

29:25I think that worries me because I think you're trying to be too clever in football when most of the top teams do stick to the same best 11, do stick to the same way of playing. For example, for me, Sesco should be our striker. And if he gets injured, you might have to use Mbemo or Cunha there, but Sesco's the striker. And you build around that. You build around the fact that we've got a 6 '5 striker who can get in behind sprinting, you can get on the end of crosses and you work around that and maybe it's Rashford or Cunha on the left and maybe it's Emberma or Amr on the right but it's Bruno in behind and it's Sesko up front and that's what you work to and I think at the moment it does feel like we're in the last 20 minutes we might chuck Sesko on for some long balls but let's play a false nine for now look maybe that's the way it's going to go maybe actually his best 11 is Cunha but I don't like the idea of change and overcomplicating things, as Solid Blake says.

30:25We're a football club that's been in decline for 10 years. I don't think we're anywhere near technically good enough or consistent enough to try different patterns at different times. It's like being a, you know, it's like learning a new skill when you haven't established. It's like trying to run when you can't walk, basically. That's what I'm trying to say. I think I spoke to you about, oh, no, no, Carrick said this. Why wasn't Bruno subbed off against Sabah? We only had five subs. We had to make certain decisions on what that looked like. But of course, he's like anybody else. He's played an awful lot.

30:58But I think we're developing the group and the squad to be able to accommodate that in different ways. Tonight was just one of those things. So I think from Carrick, he's not saying that Bruno Fernandes is going to play every single game. I think he's basically saying that he'd used his subs up in that game and he had to keep Bruno on. But hopefully in future games, that won't necessarily be the case. talking of Bruno, he's done an interview with Nico from the Beta Squad. He said, who arrives earliest to training? Normally Deleuze, he's always first. This season, Rashford, Sesco are normally the ones that arrive with me as well.

31:33I mean, look, I don't know. I don't know. The world changes. Does it make you excited? Does it make you want to give somebody a five-year contract on 200 grand a week if they're the first person that turns up to training? Because if you do, you're giving Deleuze a five-year contract on 200 grand a week. I mean, these are professional footballers in a privileged position playing for Manchester United. If they can't turn up early for training, I mean, what's the fucking point? We'll never walk in their shoes. But for me, you know, you wake up in the morning, your alarm clock goes off. You're not about to go and do a 12 hour shift on a casualty ward as a nurse.

32:11You know, you're not about to go and work down Amazon, are you? depot, you know, getting packages or, you know, run around on your feet all day, you know, emptying recycling bins. Your alarm clock goes off. You're a Man United player. Oh, I think I'll have a leisurely shower and just get there for nine. That's when the manager wants us. I mean, get there for half eight, practice some free kicks, get your stretchers in. I don't know. But look, I was like that when I worked. I used to get into the office for 25 to 9 every morning when I worked in Dublin. I'd rather be there early and set and have a coffee and speak to people.

32:49Some people roll in at 5 past 9, go and get themselves a cup of tea, go and have a cigarette, and then they go and get themselves toast. They don't start work until about 11, really. So I'm not really impressed by who gets there early because it's your job. It's like when you see someone in a Man United shirt with a bit of passion it's a Man United shirt if you can't be passionate when a Man you know what the amount of people I've spoken to this week who said I loved the non-Man United fans as well the guy who was doing the tiling in our kitchen this week he says I saw the Rooney clip where he said if the game was going badly he'd go and clatter a right back to get the crowd up he said I love that because it's so true the fact that the fans will react to that sort of bit of, you know, a bit of, you know, it's not going well, but let's try.

33:45And I said, I know, but the amazing thing is Rooney said that about three weeks ago and we played shit against Ipswich in the first half. We started slowly. Obviously nobody's watched or listened to that clip at all, have they? Because no one went and clattered somebody to get the crowd up. They just don't do it anymore. They're just different, aren't they? Like there's a brilliant clip from Wayne this morning as well saying that if he'd been at Man United and that transfer window had happened, he'd be banging on the door of the manager and the owners saying, help me out here. I don't know if a Man United player does that.

34:22Do you think a current Man United player has knocked on the door and said, what's going on? We finished third in the league. We want to go and challenge for the title and do well in the Champions League. That window's crap. Do you think players do that now? Ryan Giggs, Gary Neville, Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney these players used to do that when we used to get knocked out of the Champions League Roy Keane would be on ITV with a microphone saying that's what happens when you don't sign players in the summer and you don't strengthen, people get lazy he'd say that publicly I don't know I don't know that players do that anymore they certainly don't clatter people to get the crowd up they certainly don't seem to be that bothered when the club doesn't deliver in the summer transfer window as well.

35:12I don't know. Maybe they're mercenaries. Maybe they are doing it. We don't know. But I sort of lost my way a little bit from where we were there. Yeah, I've completely lost where I was now there. Sorry, everybody. Oh, no, we're talking about people turning up early. Funnily enough, I've just been sent this. Deleuze has done an interview ahead of the game. He says, when I arrived, I had a few players that were here for a long time that gave me that help of understanding. Sometimes you're going through a tough period and it's not as bad as you think. Sometimes people misunderstand the criticism that it's always bad.

35:42Sometimes it's constructive criticism and you need to take some responsibility. Look, I mean, I don't even know how old DeLoe is now.

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37:4128 this season. I'm always quite harsh on Deleu in a footballing sense, but as a person, and I was very impressed on the stories about when he was at AC Milan in COVID and the amount of work he did. I think Deleu is a little bit like a... I'm trying to think of who. I think Deleu is the person who has the mentality and work rate to be there early, to put the work in, to understand what Man United's all about, say the right things. I think he's got absolutely everything. I think he's got the right mentality. He's got leadership. He understands what the club's all about. He knows where it should go.

38:25he's just not good enough. And that's, that's, what's wrong with that? You know, if you look at someone like Jadon Sancho, probably did have the ability, doesn't have the mentality, doesn't turn up for training early, doesn't get what Man United's all about. You know, absolute waste of space in relation to a Manchester United player. Unfortunately, I think Deleuze has got absolutely every attribute you need to be a Man United player apart from the ability. Clearly works hard. very impressionable when it came to Ronaldo obviously wants to put the extra work in obviously wants to be a success at the United obviously wants Man United back on top obviously loves the club obviously works really really hard just not good enough and you know this is what I mean work rate without ability won't get you there and ability without work rate won't get you there and it's that finite group of people with Deleuze's mentality and work rate, but the ability of a Hakimi or whatever like that, he's just not good enough.

39:32And I think we're at the point now where we have to be harsh because he's saying in that interview when he came in, there was players who'd been here for a long time telling him about it. But I think when Deleuze came in, there wouldn't have been anybody that was worth listening to. I believe Deleuze came in before Bruno. and probably Maguire, definitely Casemiro. I mean, who was telling him? I'm trying to think when Deleuze came in. I think he was signed under Mourinho. So there was no, maybe De Gea. De Gea would have still been there, but I mean, this is what I mean. Deleuze came in 2018, says Law Shadow.

40:13She's nearly been here 10 years. I think Deleuze is a good utility player. I agree with you, Paul. but I think people get mixed up with Deleuze. I think he's a fantastic lad. I think he's got the right attitude, the right determination. I think he gets what Man United's all about but sadly, the one player you wish had the ability of Hakimi, it's him and he doesn't. He's just an average right back, really. I think there was a time where I thought he was going to be top class but it just didn't happen and that can be the case. And that's not being horrible. That's being realistic. That's being ruthless.

40:47Our full-backs aren't good. How many clubs have got combined better full-backs than us? Definitely Arsenal. Definitely Man City. Chelsea at the moment, I don't really know. There may be an argument there. And they play a different system. Aston Villa, I think, have got better full-backs than us. I think Mattson and Cash and Juan Bissaka are better than Deleuwe and Shaw. And that's quite scary when you say that. Newcastle definitely have got better full-backs. Stedic and Leverimento and Hall. Definitely better than what we've got. And you could probably start listing me off other teams. Bournemouth have got better full backs than us because Truffaut's better than Shaw.

41:28And whoever's at right back, I don't know who's at right back for Bournemouth anymore because they had that right back who was a little bit controversial, didn't they? I don't know who plays right back there anymore. But our full backs are not good enough. They're not good enough. And you can turn up early for training and you can have the right attitude and you can be popular around the dressing room like Luke Shaw is, but they're not good enough. They're not good enough. Marlowe says, the way Fan Forum disrespected Dorgue Thursday was shameful. Was Cuny or Embermo any better? Dorgue ranked number one for duels, won tackles, touches in oppositions, box, let the youngster develop.

42:03I didn't watch the Fan Forum on Thursday night, Marlowe, because I had to go and sort something out with the player ratings. And it was very busy yesterday, so I'll try and catch it today. so I don't know I'm literally going off the chat who sometimes wind me up but I said this to you before Marlo I like Dorgou I don't want him playing at left back there is an element of our fan base that don't like Dorgou and when he played well on the wing they had to shut up and apologise but when he goes back to left back they'll slaughter him again I don't like Dorgou playing at left back but I like Dorgou I think he's I think this is what worries me about our fan base a little bit at times we make our mind up way too quickly on young players we wake up we make our mind up way too quickly on new signings but you can have luke shaw here for over a decade and no one really says anything delo's been here for nearly 10 years and no one ever says anything marcus rashford can come back no one really says anything harry mcguire can get a new contract at 33 no one really says anything not got a problem with people not saying anything about that but we were heavily scrutinizing younger new signings um i i think the same thing's going to happen to santos i'm worried about santos hopefully i'll be wrong hopefully he'll start tomorrow he'll have a worldie and he'll be on the path but i think i already see people writing santos off it's game week four yeah um so look it doesn't surprise me really if i'm being completely honest uh anything else let me have a quick look.

43:38I feel like I've missed something. Oh, here we go. Manchester United have banned 685 accounts and sanctioned or warned 464 supporters following a ticket touting investigation. The investigation has already triggered widespread protests from supporters who feared they were about to get their season tickets confiscated and had been told why. Man United say innocent fans have not been punished. So look, Man United coming out fighting there. They're basically saying that this big ticketing clampdown this summer, which has seen fans who've had tickets for decades be threatened to have those tickets removed or some of them have had those tickets removed.

44:15United are basically saying no innocent fans have been punished. Be interested to see how that develops because there is a protest about that tomorrow. BRT says the only players good enough to knock on a door to demand ambition are Bruno and Martinez. I don't think any other player has a leg to stand on. I don't know. I don't know whether Bruno knocked on that door. He should have done. We'll never know, but he should have done. Bruno Fernandes, 32 years of age, should be absolutely fuming about that transfer window that's just happened. I don't know. I don't know. Keel says, Bruno will have a fantastic match against City and have a great Champions League run because better teams attack us.

44:57When teams sit back, he's awful and it's logical to play Cunha or Xerxe against a low block. Thank you very much. Majority of them are here too long, says Ross, and there's no passion left. Thank you very much. Appreciate you on that. There was something I was just about to do here.

45:17What would it be? It's really annoying.

45:24Oh. The recent interview with Bruno in Sky, he basically said he loves to prove people wrong and then he'll get back to himself. That mentality has cost us a lot. I read that, you know what? Amen. Very, very good comment. So Bruno basically said that

45:45it was something about captaining him in a fancy Premier League game or something. And he said the game to do it was Ipswich because I was ready to prove people wrong.

45:59It's interesting how you've interpreted that, that when he's got a point to prove, Bruno has a great game. And then when he doesn't, maybe he doesn't is that not being does that not if he's the captain I think we're scrutinising something I can't remember the complete quote for but might revisit that later on tonight because if the captain is somebody that raises his game when he's been criticised is that not what Man United do when it's Man City tomorrow we raise the game we win the game because everyone's criticising us and then next week you go to Fulham the pressure's off and you don't turn up.

46:36That's been going on for a decade. Interesting comment also from Martinez. He was asked after the game, and this bothered me a little bit as well. He was asked after the Champions League game on Thursday night, will Man United be competing for the Premier League and the Champions League this season? He said, it's too early to say that. We've just got to fight every game. We've got to be humble. We have to enjoy the fight of every game. And we know what we want, but I can't tell you if we'll challenge at the top this season. That's, we can read that one of two ways. It's too early in the season to say we're going to challenge when we've had a bad start to the season.

47:16I don't want to make myself look stupid. Or I haven't got a bloody clue whether this team can do anything this year. We've got to wait and see how good or bad everybody else is first. It certainly to me exposes uncertainty about what we are. and welcome to the club, Lissandro, because I feel exactly the same. If someone says, are we challenging for the Premier League or the Champions League this season, I'd probably be honest and say, I'm going to fucking laugh. You need to get yourself down the doctors. Obviously, Martinez can't say that, but it does expose when your starting centre-back who's won a World Cup is saying, I don't know whether we're going to do anything.

47:56And I think, I think even if you've had a bad start to the season, you should look around the dressing room and go, we're going to have a good season. And I don't think any United player can. And I don't think any United fan can. Doesn't mean we won't have a good season, but I think this is the problem. I think the players themselves are uncertain about what's going to happen this season. And the problem with uncertainty is, is if things go wrong, it will get in their head. It will. Tomorrow is a huge game. Absolutely. You can see the lack of ambition. You can see the club lacks of lack. Sorry, Marlo.

48:27He says, you can see the club's lack of ambition in Bruno. He doesn't look happy. he knows this is his last dance he hasn't got a proper dance partner thank you Marlo very good comment and Robert McCormack says Bruno against City three goals two penalties three assists in 13 games that's not very good then is it Robert

48:49three goals and three assists in 13 games no that's not that's not that's not that that's not that good actually is it but hopefully it will change tomorrow right thank you everybody great show this morning the plan for the day is as follows I'm on it I'm on that so I've got to go and watch Seb I've not got to I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing Seb's first game today 3 o 'clock we are on that's football for the 3pm games Chelsea Hull Liverpool Fulham hopefully one of those can drop points because it would be great for them to drop points and us win tomorrow and then 8 o 'clock tonight I'm doing Arsenal Sunderland on that's football so we'll be here at 7 on the United Stand So that's the day ahead.

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