Dorgu INJURY Blow! Carrick EXPOSED!

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1:53like something that sort of got swept under the carpet for God knows what was a couple of years ago. We used to talk about how crap Man United's fitness department was. It didn't get solved and we just sort of forgot about it. And look at what's going on with us at the moment. And we are picking up a lot of injuries again. We'll talk about that. Also, an incredible, I've been wanting to talk about this for a few days because I've had it for a week. I actually got this message from a Middlesbrough fan last Monday. And they just basically said, look, Middlesbrough fan, like the channel, just wanted to tell you a few things about Carrick and where it went wrong, listed them off.

2:32Very interesting points will bring them in because I still think that whilst Fabrizio is talking about Man United not being in talks with any other managers and totally be backing Carrick, did Manchester United's board actually look at what Carrick did at Middlesbrough because there were some similar mistakes that cost him his job there that he's doing now. We'll talk about that as well. It's a Sunday night show. Also happy to be driven by you as always. Get your comments in. Do you want to talk about City? Do you want to talk about the Glazers? Do you want to talk about Mbumo? I think Mbumo is an interesting topic, you know?

3:07What's going wrong with Mbumo? I mean, you could also bring Kunja into that as well. So I do want to talk about Mbumo. He's a player that I really like who I think is performing really badly this season. I want to know why. I think him and Ahmad were actually two players that when Carrick came in got worse than they were under Amrind. So I want to talk about that. Why is Mbermo struggling in a Carrick team? We'll talk about that. But let's start off with Dorgou. So look, first and foremost, Dorgou went off after, I think, 29 minutes for Denmark today. it's another injury it's another potential left back and it sounds like it could be very similar to what happened to him back in January and had him out for three months looked like a hamstring issue and you know look, I'll be honest this could just be very specific to Dorgu he could have dodgy hamstrings He's still relatively young.

4:13He's a very powerful player and he could be prone to those talks of injuries, those types of injuries. Son says you talk nonsense. But tell us what nonsense I talk about, mate. I'm happy to have a conversation with you. I mean, you're talking nonsense because you're just not giving me anything to reply to. Anyway, very rude, but that's fine. So let's yeah, let's talk about Dorgue for a moment. I mean, look, we were talking about Bruno this morning and we were talking about Marcus Rashford this morning. I actually saw somebody quote tweeting my clip about Bruno saying it's not an excuse for him not playing badly.

4:44Of course, it's a bloody excuse. You go to work tomorrow and you've got the flu. Do you perform as well as you do without the flu? Of course, you bloody well don't. And if you are playing injured, you don't perform as well as you do when you're not injured. Same with Marcus Rashford. I mean, look, you can dislike the players, but if you are not 100%, you don't perform 100%. It's a fact. The reality is Michael Carrick is picking players injured at the start of a very important season. I don't blame Bruno for that. I don't blame Carrick for that. I blame the board for it because I think they are absolutely incredibly crap at their job.

5:21And they sent us into a season that we weren't prepared for. And actually, it's worse than we thought. Do you think the board didn't know that Marcus Rashford was injured? Do you think they didn't know that Bruno was carrying an injury? Do you think they didn't know that we didn't have a left back and we didn't have a backup striker? They have sent us into this season woefully unprepared. And that's why we've had one of the worst starts to a Premier League season we've ever had. And it doesn't look like it's going to get any better, does it? Because we're playing two games a week for the next five weeks when they'll come back from this international break.

5:48And we're actually coming out of the international break with more problems than we went into it with. I would suspect that this Dorgo injury is going to be minimum two weeks, maximum three months. So let's hope it's nothing bad. But I think when you come off after 29 minutes in an international game, you will try and play on if it's just a minor tear. And if you can't play on, you will come off after 29 minutes. So I think that this Dorgue injury, I would expect the worst. It leaves us incredibly light at left back because we've only got Luke Shaw. And I mean, I don't rate him anyway, but I don't think he can play two games a week.

6:27It's incredibly concerning. And I think the question has to be asked, has Man United's fitness department actually ever been addressed? Because what I said at the start of the show still stands. Like, we have spoken so many times in recent years about the amount of injury. I mean, remember Ranyik, the last three months, loads of injuries. Oli had injuries. Amrim had injuries. Ten Hag. Remember Ten Hag's last season? Injuries. We've had injuries at this football club for over a decade. We have never renovated our fitness department. And here we are again at the start of the season and loads of people are injured again.

7:01Now, it isn't coincidence. It's cause and effect. We seem to be absolutely terrible at looking after our players. Our players seem to pick up a lot more injuries than everybody else. And of course, some of these injuries will be bad luck. It can be genetics. It can be a bad tackle. But it's always our players. And it's been like this for years. And when we're cutting costs and sacking people, I very much doubt we looked at the fitness department and went, we want best in class. I guarantee you we've probably reduced its capability since Ineos came in. So it is concerning that we've had a really bad start to the season.

7:42And also, we've got a lot of injuries because we have a very, very busy season. And I remember talking about this when the conversation was going on about whether we should glaze Michael Carrick's brilliant end to the season. And one of the things we discussed on this channel was, well, we're playing one game a week. playing one game a week and we know that we do get injuries. So when we go to two games a week, how many players do we actually need to sign? Five, six, seven, eight. We signed three players, three outfield players. Casemiro left. So we signed two players and Agate's injured. So we basically signed one player.

8:34and we were playing one game a week. So we've come into this season really unprepared, really, really unprepared. And you can only blame one set of people for that and it's the hierarchy. Of course it is. But I'm not surprised by these injuries. And the sad thing is we could get more. I mean, in the space of a week, Sesco's out long-term, Dorgoo's probably out long-term, Rashford's got a bad injury, Hopefully he'll be back after the international break with some rest. Bruno's carrying an injury but doesn't get any rest. We don't know what the situation is with Manu. We don't know when Dalit is back.

9:13We don't know when Ahmad is back. So, and we've got a game, two games a week for the next month. We could get more injuries. I mean, we're not far off. We're not far off an injury crisis and it's only September. And this only comes down to, you know, a lack of ambition on the board. And I don't want to talk about, well, I'm just going to say this. Man City cheated and Man City will get dealt with. Man City were ambitious and they're going to get dealt with. Manchester United have been unambitious and the Glazers keep getting away with it. Now, there is no comparison with what Man City's done But I don't know about you But I have been quite perplexed this weekend Thinking about all the screaming and shouting About Man City being booted out of the league And their cheats and this, that and the other Quite justifiable But I do find it ironic I do find it Alanis Morissette-esque That Man City cheated to try and win And the Glazers leveraged our club on their own personal debt To destroy us Man City are probably about to hit the National League and the Glazers are still here.

10:32I personally have moved past this Man City story to focus back on United and I'm sort of confused how the Glazers are still here but the Premier League are more than willing to go after City for cheating, for winning things. Nobody will help us out. I mean, has anybody ever figured out what happens to Manchester United if the Glazers go bankrupt? Who gets Manchester United? Because I presume their debt is our debt. I just think, I had this thought this morning with my coffee. I mean, fair play to the Premier League. You've rumbled City. You're probably going to relegate them. Going to get a lot of money out of it.

11:15Going to get a lot of respect out of it. You know, Man City did win titles unfairly. Yeah, cheats. Yeah, okay, deal with them. the Glazers got older man united never put a pound in leveraged it on their own personal debt and you still fucking let them be here I don't the rules even say you can't do this anymore but we're still suffering from it I mean I don't I you know what I found myself quite pissed off today to be honest um not because City have cheated they need to be dealt with but when's someone going to help us out? Like, you literally can't buy a club like they bought us. So they know it's wrong.

11:53And we're still in the grips of the Glazers. They still never put any of their own money in. And we're still in massive debt. When's someone going to come and fucking rescue us for crimes to football? I don't know. You know, maybe some people don't get it, but they just piss me off. They really do piss me off because I think that summer transfer window was absolutely fucking criminal, to be honest with you. I don't think people get angry enough about it. I think that summer transfer window was absolutely shite. Shit. Rubbish. Absolute shit. And we're just sat here going, oh, City are going to get relegated.

12:34Yeah, so the Glazers can prosper again. They fuck the club over, but they still land on their feet. because Man City will disappear. We'll get top five again. Ooh, dividends. Like Man City getting done actually helps the Glazers. They've been driving this club into the fucking dirt for 20 years and they're going to benefit again. They're not going to suddenly start writing checks, are they? They'll be like, yeah, we don't need to. We're going to finish in the top four again. They just piss me off so much. They're so unambitious. They're so poisoned to this football club and fan base. And here we are sat here worrying about injuries because they couldn't get off their arse and give Michael Carrick a squad.

13:22And maybe Michael Carrick's not a great manager. Maybe he is. But what he's been delivered is absolutely shit. Like, it's not... It's just not acceptable. It's not acceptable. like Barcelona don't want Rashford so he's playing on the wing injured Bruno Fernandes isn't fit but pick him every game because he might produce a moment let's keep using Luke Shaw at left back rather than buying a bloody left back oh Cesc goes out injured don't worry we'll just put Kunja there and get him playing out of position it's only bloody September we're acting like it's the last two weeks of the season and we're limping over the line we've got how many months?

14:01eight months of this? Set up to fail is exactly correct, Gab. Absolutely correct. So yeah, they pissed me off. Yeah, look, I know a lot of people are excited about City, but that's going to blow over very quickly. I mean, I think people like Arsenal will benefit from this. Maybe they'll be able to sign an Erling Haaland or an Elliot Anderson and maybe Liverpool will swoop in and take a Bawadi or an Enzo Fernandes. But I don't think we're going to benefit from Man City. You know what we'll do? We'll try and get a couple of hundred million pounds of compensation so the Glazers can take some dividends.

14:37We're not going to, we're not going to capitalise on Man City's misfortune. We're just going to sit there lazily doing fuck all like we always do, unambitious, but surviving. Oh, don't worry, we've survived. You know, I just, I just wish, I just, you know what? Actually, I thought about this today. It is a point for you, right? The rules are the rules and Man City broke them. So deal with them, right? I wish they'd break those rules up. I wish they would say, if a rich owner gets hold of your football club, they can pump money in. They can't leverage your club though. So if they pump money in and they lose money, they can't sink the club and the club, you know, if an owner wants to put their own money in, that's it.

15:23You know, you can't take it back, right? So clubs basically, if they get a rich owner like Jack Walker of Blackburn and they want to pump money in to win a title, they can do, but they can't take the money back out. I think that would be a great rule. I think that would be a brilliant rule. You can put money in, but you can't take it back out. You can't use a football club. It's not that you can't use a football club for profit, but if you put£200 million in and you end up getting relegated to the championship and then you take the£200 million out, the club's bankrupt. It's, you know, fucking 100 years of history dead.

15:55I would love it if the Premier League changed the rules and said you can put money into a football club as an owner, but you can't get it back, right? Because we'd be fucked. The Glazers would be fucked, right? Because you'd get Newcastle, Villa, maybe Everton. They'd get owners. You'd put money in. They'd be competitive. And the Glazers would sit there and go, shit, we're not protected by FFP anymore. We're not protected by match ticketing prices and brands. We're actually going to get relegated because everyone else is being ambitious. we are protected by these rules because other clubs can't compete with us and even with these rules that favour us we still are unambitious so look, what Man City did absolutely broke the rules, cheats but I wish they'd changed those rules because we'd get rid of the glazes overnight Right Wayne, what are we doing here today?

16:46Filming promo for a new podcast me and Mark Goldbridge What's the podcast called Wayne? I don't know What is it called? Oh, that was good Wayne as a player exactly what Man United was all about but I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything what would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's a We'll be wrapped into all the games Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories Just have my socks on and my underpants Good Hopefully no sackings Hopefully He's gone first I've bolted him I think we will have debates That's why I was saying you can go first I did On the volley United Oh perfect On the pitch off the pitch I've got a little goal in my garden I have a save for that to be honest Stay tealighted it's coming soon If you could put private money into your football club we'd be fucked because they've never put a penny in These rules of the Premier League actually protect the Glazers and I would bloody love it if Aston Villa could start spending money and Newcastle could start spending some of their owners money because United would not be in the top five anymore the Glazers would shit themselves and they'd either have to spend money or they'd have to sell So look throw the book at the throw the book at city do i like the rules no i don't no i don't like them um i i don't like them because they protect the glazers these current rules allow the glazers not to put money in live off your revenue and brand money not put it into the team and still get fifth place every year if aston biller and newcastle could suddenly put some of their money in from their owners and buy better players, you know, we would fall down the league.

18:23These rules protect the Glazers and I wish they'd change. I actually want them to change. You know, it's elitist to me that the status quo will always be in the top four because they've got historical big fan bases and success. But more importantly, it protects the Glazers. Nobody can compete with Man United. But we're an ambitious. Anyway, that's my rant. Let me get into your comments. I will talk about this thing about Carrick in a minute. Mike, the mechanics, as I said, an injury crisis wouldn't do is because we didn't buy enough players. Absolute incompetence by Wilcox. Oh, mate, it's so bloody frustrating being right, isn't it?

19:08I think that I used to love the days of Sir Alex Ferguson and, you know, whoever was the bloody CEO then. I don't really remember because it didn't matter. They ran the club well and I trusted them. You know, everything you say is better than what our owners do. Everything you say is better than our CEO or our director in football do. They make stupid mistakes that everybody can see coming a bloody mile off. We knew this was going to happen at left back and we knew it was going to happen up front. What were the two positions we didn't do in the final month of the window? We needed another striker and we needed a left back.

19:45And what's happened? Shaw's already been injured. Dorgue is injured and Sesco's injured. And by the looks of it, Dorgue and Sesco are going to be out for a long time as well. So it wasn't we're ungrateful, spoiled little brats. get us a striker and a left back. It was, if you don't get a left back and a striker, it could derail our whole season. And what did they do? We know best. We're really good at what we do, despite being shit for the last two years. We don't need a left back and we don't need a striker. A month later, shit, we really should have bought a striker and a left back. Yeah, that was literally what the fan base was moaning about for three months and you ignored them because you know best.

20:28And yet again, yet again, you've made a massive mistake that, you know, Carrick and the players are going to have to produce a bloody miracle. Well, the miracle is probably Man City. You didn't, you know, and this is what annoys me as well. This is what annoys me. Wilcox sacks Amrim because Amrim says you're unambitious and you won't buy me any players. Amrim is right, but Wilcox gets Carrick in, who produces a miracle, gets his Champions League football and then Wilcox sits there and says, I know what I'm doing. You don't know what you're doing. Just bloody lucky. Same again. No backup striker.

21:03No left back. No chance of getting in the top four, right? Man City get charged and relegated. Hey, I told you we didn't need a left back and a strike. And we just walk into fourth again. We're just so fucking lucky. Imagine what we could do if we were competent. This was meant to be the season where we challenged Arsenal. As ridiculous as that sounds, when Carrick finished third, the general consensus was Pep's leaving Man City, Liverpool need a new manager, Chelsea have got a new manager, we can be the club that steps forward and challenges Arsenal. We step backwards. We should be that team now.

21:47Imagine if we'd bought well in the summer and we were challenging Arsenal, with Man City getting relegated, we're literally there. but no, no, no, no. We'll just walk into fourth by default. Does me bloody head in. I'm not being harsh, but we need to get rid of Wilcox and Barada. Both are at City and everything they do at United sucks balls. Get them gone. Mike, I don't care whether they're at Man City or Macclesfield Town or bloody Oxford. I don't care where they're from. The Man City thing doesn't bother me. Are they good at their job? No. Do they talk absolute nonsense? Yeah. I mean, Barada was talking two months ago and he's never going to get away with this.

22:28If not this year, next year, winning the league. Oh, you know, even with Man City out of the equation, we're not bloody winning the league next year, are we? Liverpool are set up way better than us. Chelsea are probably set up better than us. Arsenal are bloody miles ahead of us. Connor, thanks for being a member for two months. It's a blessing in disguise. Now we have to do something new, says Kiel Robinson. I don't know what you're talking about. Daniel Thompson. I very rarely don't know what you're talking about, Kyle, but I don't know what the context of that is. Daniel Thompson with a very generous super chat this Sunday evening.

23:00It's supposed to be a quiet week, yet turned into Ronan Keating's life. It's a roller coaster with the online thing, City and injuries, but we finish the best way live and direct on the flagship show on the United Standard Evening. Daniel, hope you're doing very well. Ginger Red says, if you insist on keeping players longer than we should, you would think they would invest in the fitness department. Well, look, the scary thing is, Ginger, is that the injuries we've sustained this season Dorgou's in his early 20s. Sesko's in his early 20s. And Ahmad's in his early 20s. And they've all had quite significant injuries.

23:31Like, the players that aren't injured at the moment are the ones that will get injured naturally over a long season. Martinez is going to get injured at some point. You know he fucking is. Harry Maguire's 34 this season. He's going to get injured playing two games a week. Luke Shaw will get injured again, definitely. Mason Mount will get injured again. We've got quite a few players. I mean, Tillemans is 29. It's going to be 30 this season, two games a week. So there's a lot of players that are going to pick up injuries over the next few months. It's not a good thing that Sesko and Dorga are injured.

24:05And I don't think that... I don't think Sesko and Dorga even had bad injuries before they came to Manchester United. So look, maybe it's the way we train our players. I've always suspected that there's something that we do at United that leaves players prone to injury. I just can't figure out what it is. Maybe it's just being crap at your job. Iron, like... Leon, says Kiel. Do you think the city's owners, since they have a big influence, will force the UK government to intervene and change the FFP rules, says Marvin? I want... Look, this is not... This is probably not the place to do it. I'm talking to Wayne about it tomorrow, so stick to your night.

24:49It'll be very interesting about all of this. But in relation to the City stuff and what he thinks about, you know, missing out on titles and stuff. But I want the rules to change. I don't think that Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal should have a domination on top four for the next 20 years and nobody should be allowed in because of rules that are archaic. The rules aren't fair. The rules... Imagine I'm a billionaire, right? And I can't afford Man United, but I want to buy a football club. So I buy Everton and I want to take Everton to the Champions League and I want to win a Premier League title with Everton.

25:28I'm hamstrung straight away. You know, I can't spend the money that I've got because I have to do it based on fan base and revenue. But I'm a billionaire and I'd be going, well, look, I can't buy fans. You get more fans from being successful on the pitch. I can only be more successful on the pitch if I can get the best players at Everton. but I can't afford them because of these rules that stop me. In fact, if I get in the Champions League, I've probably got to sell players to, you know, it doesn't make sense. I should be allowed to put money into the football club. I think personally, you could limit it.

26:05But imagine if you said every calendar year, an owner can put£200 million into that football club of their own money, but they just don't get it back. So in the space of two years, you could put£400 million into your football club. The Glazers have never fucking put a pound in. So we'd be screwed very, very quickly. These rules would help us. If other clubs could put money into their football club from their owners and you limited it to, say, £100,£200 million a year, whatever, they've never put a bloody pound in so they'd be exposed straight away. So I don't like the rules because it's anti-competitive.

26:44A Brighton, a Brentford, they do really, really well, but that's because they looked at something that other clubs are looking at now and they will catch them up. You know, Brighton's recruitment, money ball system, whatever. You know, the rich clubs will figure this out soon and then the Brighton and the Brentfords won't have the advantage. What they need to be able to do is, you know, there's a lot of billionaires out there that would love to buy into football, but they won't do it because of FFP. And this protects the Glazers. I mean, I don't, United fans don't seem to realise that if we change the financial fair play rules so that owners of football clubs can put money in, that will kill the Glazers and Ineos because they don't want to put money in.

27:23What do the Glazers and Ineos use? Your money. How do they pay the debt? Your money. How are they going to build this stadium? Your money. How do they buy players? Your money. Everything the Glazers and Ineos do is with your money. It's never their money. If the Premier League said, an owner of a Premier League football club can put in£200 million of their own money every 12 months, but they'll never get it back. You can't take it back unless you sell the football club for profit. Then clubs wouldn't be able to be sunk, but ambitious owners could put money in. And imagine if a Brighton and a Brentford and a Villa and a Newcastle started putting£200 million of their own money into those clubs every summer.

28:08They'd suddenly be going to Atletico Madrid and buying that player and they'd be buying that player. and in a very quick period of time, United would need to have to match it or we'd fall down the league. And if we fall down the league, you know, they're going to sell. So I want the rules to change. I don't want Man City to get off with it. They broke the fucking rules. You know, they knew the rules and they broke the rules. I don't agree with the rules though. I didn't realise this. I didn't think about this. But since it's all come out, for me, it's like the fusion of the Glazer Out movement and Man City getting found guilty.

28:42And I just got lost on the whole Man City's owners wanted to win. Our owners want to make money. They're going to get done quite rightly so, but ours are still going to get away with this. I just don't think the rules work. I don't. Break the rules. Get done for it. Yeah. But are the rules the right rules? I don't think they are. I think that the Glazers are protected, basically.

29:14Yeah. What do you think about the RAF fighter jet crash? I don't know anything about it, Highline, but if anybody does and they're traumatised by it, obviously thoughts and prayers with everybody involved. I don't know anything about that. I'm sorry. Mark, unless you want to keep having these conversations, we can do something. Promote the protests. Let's get them out. There's no other way, says T-Shipping. There is no protest at the moment, mate, but we always promote the protests. I'm starting to think Ineos are using Manchester United to avoid tax, run a failing business alongside a very successful one, and you avoid tax, as Chief will.

29:45I place the blame on Carrick for the lack of fitness and intensity during training, which has caused the rash of injuries, says Ron. Well, that's all gone very quiet, Ron, hasn't it? But there was talk about Amarim's training being very intense, Carrick reducing the training. So, you know, maybe there is cause and effect there as well. Archie says, what about the Z-list midfield rebuild? Thank you very much. Well, I think we're all of the opinion that Belaber needs to be an absolute bloody genius of the signing. Otherwise, we're going to be in trouble. It doesn't matter if City are run badly and we have bad players, says Sean.

30:21Thank you very much. Oh, right. OK, let me bring this in. So somebody mentioned Carrick there. This came in from James Gunn, who is a Middlesbrough fan. He sent us this at the start of last week. And he said, look, I just wanted to give my perspective on the current situation with Carrick. As a Middlesbrough fan, having watched some of your recent videos on the United Stand, I wanted to give some insights on what Carrick was like at Middlesbrough. So from the outside looking in, this looks very similar to what happened to him with Middlesbrough at the end. Lovely guy, really liked having him as a coach.

30:56And at the start, it looked, you know, really, you know, he did really, really well. but the problem started to show because he was loyal to a fault and gave the players way too much protection we would play absolutely crap and he would come out after the game talking about how pleased he was with them and the encouraging signs from a defeat etc as a fan I feel like the bare minimum you expect is for your manager to be honest with you and it just felt like he was gaslighting us at times his in-game management was also absolutely crap His subs always came way too late, 70 minutes or later or not at all.

31:34And he was always reacting to the opposition as opposed to making proactive substitutes, usually after falling behind. So look, I thought that was very interesting because I don't know much. And maybe, look, there's always two sides to a story. Maybe somebody would say, as a Middlesbrough fan, that's not fair. But I did think, you know what? It's probably something that I was going to look at over the international break anyway. What are the similarities between what happened with Michael Carrick and what's happening with Manchester United? I mean, look, I'd love to say the United board would have looked at those things before they gave him the job.

32:18But that would imply competence. And as we know, we're sat here with one senior left back at the moment. His name's Luke Shaw and no fit striker. So competence is not something that goes hand in hand with our board. But it does sound like at Middlesbrough, Michael was doing the same things where they were performing badly and he was protecting his players and talking about positives. and in game very late to react to situations and reactive rather than proactive. Look, we had Wayne on stick to United as we do every week. He said last week, you know, Carrick needs to, you know, change really in relation to that.

33:00He needs to be a little bit more on the front foot after games. He needs to be a bit more on the front foot with his team. But look, you would hope that he can learn from some of his mistakes, but it does come across to me that Carrick is one of those managers that a little bit like Oli, who protects these players. But I'm telling you now, these players at Man United have got rid of so many managers. All sorts of managers, tough managers, stubborn managers, you know, nice managers. We've had a really bad start to the season and to be coming out talking positively and protecting them. I just don't think it's the way.

33:46I don't think it's the way. And if he was doing that at Middlesbrough, you would hope that this international break might be a time for him to reflect and look at that because there is still time for him to turn things around. And there is a lot of protection there around walking into a crap transfer window, walking out of a crap transfer window. But it does sharpen the mind again on, we've probably dropped some points this season that are nothing to do with a bad transfer window. I mean, losing to Hull isn't because of a bad transfer window. Drawing to Everton wasn't because of a bad transfer window.

34:17And, you know, needing a late equaliser against Fulham wasn't because of a bad transfer window. Carrick's made some bad mistakes, hasn't he? Mark, if you could take any owner or ownership group from any club and bring them to United, who would it be? Says Atticus. Yes. I think at the end of the day, and I might not be very popular for saying this, but I wanted Qatar over Ineos and the Glazers. So I would like to, you know, honestly, I'm curious. It might have been a bloody. I mean, you know me. I know you. I wouldn't be sat here if Qatar had come in and been an absolute disaster after two years.

34:56I wouldn't be sat here saying I was right. I'm more than happy to admit I'm wrong. I don't care about being well I do care about being wrong but if you're wrong you're wrong if I'm wrong I'll say I'm wrong if Qatar had come in and been a bloody disaster then I would sit here and go I was wrong about that fucking hell I wish we hadn't got that but if you're asking me what group or owner I would like to have of Man United well I don't need to look at Liverpool's owners or Arsenal's owners and go I wouldn't mind a piece of that we legitimately had an opportunity for an ownership that would have been very different to this one.

35:33I would have took it. I would have took it. I mean, I wouldn't take City's owners now, Francis, because they've cheated. And, well, we presume they've cheated. I mean, I say it with confidence because of who's put it out there. We've not had the official Premier League statement yet. But I wouldn't want the Man City owners, no, because if they get found guilty, which apparently they have, and that football club, you know, disintegrates. I know Man City fans are saying, some Man City fans are saying, well, it's better to have loved than lost and to not love at all. But what if that love wasn't real?

36:16What if you were being used? I mean, all the times you thought it was love, you were being cheated. You were being cheated. What you were in love with, It wasn't real. It wasn't real. And I don't agree with those Man City fans who are saying, well, they can't take away the treble. They can't take away the Aguero moment. Of course they bloody can. Because it wasn't real. that, you know, your owners have been accused of doing something that was illegal. Well, not illegal, but your owners knew what they were doing. They were funneling money in that they shouldn't have been doing. So you were living a lie, basically.

36:53So I wouldn't want owners like that. No. As I said, do I agree with the rules? Not really. But the rules are there. What do you think? I've done that one about that as well. We have five points from 15. That's 33%. And 33 is an F, says Lord. Thank you very much. Rob says with new owners we have the chance for a clean slate and fresh approach and most importantly the debt cleared too look nobody's ever spoken about this because it's probably only relevant because of what's happened to Man City but if the Premier League rules were changed and I think they should be and you can you know you could legitimately put private owners money into a football club we'd have new owners in next to no time because they don't want to put money in and we'd fall down the league.

37:45So they'd cash in. There we go. You said you were going to talk about Mbemo, Mark. Yeah, I do want to talk about Mbemo. We've got quite a lot of people watching tonight. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in. Sorry we haven't been live for a couple of nights, but just different things going on. Yeah, I did want to talk about Mbemo because I've seen a lot of things mentioned about him. so basically I don't think Embiimo's doing very well in a Man United shirt maybe that's a start of a 10 I really do like him I think he's an incredibly powerful player I think he's got a good finish on him he's quick he's talented and he's yet another player that we're not getting the best out of now the list goes on I don't really think we ever got the best out of one matter.

38:37We certainly didn't get the best out of Alexi Sanchez or Jadon Sancho. There's so many players and there's reasons for that. Some of them had bad attitudes. Some of them didn't want to be here. But I think in relation to Mbemo, he chose Man United. This was something that our board was wanting praise for. Yes, Mbemo chose us over Arsenal and Newcastle and whoever else they through out there. This is a player that was one of the best players in the Premier League at Brentford, and he chose Man United because he loves Man United. Why is he not performing in a Man United shirt then? I mean, this is the perfect signing, according to our board, one of the best players in the Premier League, and he wants Manchester United.

39:25So why is he not performing very well? Similar with Kunja as well. Kunja wanted Man United, one of the best players in the Premier League outside of the top two. Why is he not performing well then? It's not a lack of motivation, 100%. He's not turning up for training late and only here for the money. He wants to be here because he loves Manchester United. So why is he not performing? He's not a bad player overnight. Is the club too big for him? I don't think so. I personally think the Mbermo issue is complete and utter misprofiling that has destabilised his confidence. I think I think that under Amirim, he was doing quite well in the two number 10 roles in the 3-4-3.

40:12And then Carrick came in and you thought, well, he'll go to the right wing and he actually played him up front. And I think he struggled up front because I don't think he's a striker. And then I think this season is back on the wing. But we don't really play in a way that gets the best out of Nvimo. Now, I was watching some of his goals last week when I was sat by the pool. And I was meant to be reading a book and I did take a book, but I read about half a page of it because I spent most of the time on my phone. This is a bad thing about modern holidays. I used to go on holiday and I'd take two good books, a thriller and a football autobiography.

40:51And I just read books, have a dip in the pool, get myself a beer. And I read half a page because modern phones, you can swipe on Instagram. You can be reading this, that and the other. Anyway, I was looking at Mbermo's goals and I was like, so many. The incredible thing about Mbermo, right? My problem with Mbermo at the moment is he's not creating enough. He's not scoring enough and he's not defending enough. Right. And I'm watching him for Brentford and I'm like, you can't not defend in a Brentford side, especially a Thomas Frank side, because they used to average around 40 percent possession.

41:27So most of the game, you haven't got the ball and you counterattack quick. So you watch Mbermo in a Brentford shirt. He's on the right wing, but he's helping his fullback out, working really hard. And then when the break happens, he's on the break, he's scoring goals, he's getting assists. So I'm like, well, this is actually perfect for Carrick because we don't have a lot of the ball. We counted a lot last season. So why is it not working? The only thing I can think of is two things. One, it's too big a step, which I'm happy to get proved. Well, I'm unhappy to get proved I'm wrong, but I don't think it is that.

42:03I just think we've confused the player. I think sometimes a player is really successful because they do two or three things really, really well. So you get in the chat with a player that's quite limited, but has played at a very high level because they can do two or three things really, really well. It's hard with United because you tend to think of good United players and, you know, they'll be top, top class players. But look, Anthony Alanga, when he was at Forest and maybe this season at Newcastle, is somebody that is very, very quick and in the right positions, he can finish well and he can put a good cross in.

42:47But he's not very good against the low block. You know, he's not a technical player who can keep possession. I think with Embermo, he was a player that could do two or three things really well. Work hard, run fast, and get you a goal and assist in space. I think we brought him into Man United. He was playing as a 10. Then he's been a striker. Now he's back on the wing. We're not really servicing him on the wing. And I think he's sort of almost like a little bit like a lost soul at the moment. the mentality and the work ethics there but it's just not coming across and look he scored a very good goal against Everton but this is a player we paid£65 million for this is not a£30 million prospect from Leeds or Brentford or wherever this is a£65 million player we should be getting 10 goals and 10 assists in the Premier League from him every single season and I think we can do that but I just think he's confused as a player.

43:53I also think he knows he's out of the team when Ahmad comes back and probably playing back up front again. So I think it's misprofiling, lack of consistency, lack of a clear message and this comes from the coach. You are my right winger. I want you to help the fullback like you did at Brentford and we will get the ball out to you on the break. Quick, running into space, get the cross in get the shot off I don't think Embermo is ever going to be Michael Alise you know a multifaceted top top class class winger I think Embermo is a hard working player who is quick who can finish and get an assist but he needs quick ball and he needs consistency and I think he's been moved around so much and he knows when Ahmad's back he's out the right wing and he's going back up front again I think he looks like a player that's confused and some players, trust me, just need really simple instructions and I don't think he's getting them.

44:50It might be that he's not up for the step, but what is the step? People say Man United's too big a step for him. Brentford have arguably been better than us over the last few years, so I don't necessarily think it is that, but that's sort of my thought on it. Red Devils says, imagine they get rid of Carrick and bring Oli back. Are you Oli out immediately? If Oli Gunnar Solskjaer ends up managing Man United again, and I think I'll cry.

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46:59Do you know why I'll cry? It's nothing against Oli. I'd love to have Oli on Stick to United, actually. It's got nothing to do with Oli. I like Oli. But it would be knowing what's going to happen again, knowing that the minute he comes in and wins again, the same Prats in our fan base will be singing Ollie's at the wheel and saying, give him a three year contract. And then the rest of us will be going, we can't do this again. We shouldn't give Ollie a job in the first place. Look what happened. Then with Carrick, we said, don't give it to an interim again. Look what happened. And you lot were all singing, give Carrick a job, give Ollie a job.

47:37and now you're doing it again with Oli. There's people in this fan base that if Oli came back in as an interim and won a few games, they'd be saying, give him a contract. We're our own worst enemy, this fan base. We are. And I'm part of this fan base. So look, you know, I'm not saying I'm perfect or any of us are perfect, but you know why it is? It's because we dare to dream and dreamers can be deluded. But no, I don't want Carrick. I don't want Ollie anywhere near it. You were singing it too. Oh, first time, Ivan, yeah. I was one of those people singing Give it Ollie at the Wheel. Yeah, 100 % the first time.

48:17I'm not going to lie. I wish I bloody hadn't, but I did. But I didn't do it with Carrick and I wouldn't do it with Ollie again. I don't, I just think interim managers always fail. They always do. Let me go through some of your comments that have come in here. Done that one. Sully says, do you think that there will be an investigation of the PGMOL? Manchester City seem to have many favourable decisions go their way. I don't know about that, Sully. I think that I've seen a lot of people talking about the QPR game and how they booted the ball straight to Man City at 3-2, how Cissé grabbed hold of Nasri and Cissé was playing for QPR at the time and was celebrating with him.

49:00I think you can't get sued for this. I think QPR downed tools. I've always said it. I think QPR played like their life depended on it right up until they knew they were safe. And I think they're down tools. Whether that's bad luck or what, they down tools.

49:27But ultimately, that was one of the worst moments as a Man United fan I've witnessed. like that Aguero moment I switched the TV off I don't think I put Sky Sports News on for about two months I just absolutely didn't want anything to do with football that Aguero moment was horrible but then the following season Sir Alex bought in Van Persie and we won the league and that was amazing but that Aguero moment remains one of the worst moments for me as a Man United fan I hated it absolutely hated it I hated losing the 2009 Champions League final in Rome as well. I think we should have won that, but we got it wrong.

50:08And it was interesting that Wayne thought we got it wrong tactically as well. But look, the Aguero moment for me is one of the worst moments as a Man United fan I've had. Or so I thought. It doesn't bother me as much anymore. Only in the last few days, but it doesn't bother me as much anymore. It bothered me at the time and it bothered me for every year up until last week. I now look at it and go, you cheat. That Aguero moment last week would have made me go, oh, fucking, I hate it. I absolutely hate it. I now genuinely go, but you cheated. Like that literally was very close to when you cheated.

50:48That was 2012. That was your prime few years of getting money in that you shouldn't have had. So I look at that Aguero moment now and, you know, if a City fan wants to go Aguero, like I've had many times, I'd go, you cheated. And what are they going to go? No, we didn't. Well, you did. You cheated. So whether you get relegated or a slap on the wrist or anything like that, you fucking cheated. So the Aguero moment for me doesn't massively bother me as much that it did. It destroyed me for 10 years, definitely. But after the last couple of days, I look at it and go, you cheated. Like, shove your Aguero up your arse.

51:33I mean, the biggest loser is Martin Tyler. I mean, that was a massive moment. Aguero! I mean, who's going to play that now? Does that ever get played again now? It's a bit like Ben Johnson winning the Olympic gold in 88 in Seoul. That race never gets shown because he cheated. so no one ever watches videos of Lance Armstrong do they because he cheated so I think it's mad isn't it we're still reacting to this news and we haven't had the official Premier League announcement yet but think about that Aguero moment if you're old enough and think about how angry you were when that happened and then think about what you think about it now I don't feel as angry or deflated anymore I mean I was I remember being in the pub about three weeks ago talking about footballing moments.

52:21It was just after the World Cup, so it wasn't three weeks ago. It was after England losing to Germany. And I was saying, this is another low moment. It's like Italia 90. And then obviously the Aguero thing comes up. It's always been a horrible moment in my footballing life of watching football. Not anymore. I feel angry about it now. I don't feel angry in the sense that Man City won. I feel angry in the sense that, well, that never should have happened, you know. Carrick feels it's his duty to protect these players that have sacked so many managers and underformed for many years. Yet in reality, he should be doing the opposite as they will cost him his job too, says Daniel Thompson.

53:05Thank you. Good afternoon from Western Canada. Hope you're doing well, says Canadian Red Devil. You too, sir, as well. TF1 says if we maintain at 33 percent, then our total points for the season would be 38. We're going to start winning some games at some point, TF1. I'm certain of that. Evening, Mark. How's the kids getting on, says Glenn. All right. Thank you. Seb had a game today. They lost 5-4. He won 5-4 yesterday and they lost 5-4 today. And the stupid thing is they were winning 3-0 yesterday and it went to 3-3. Then they went 5-3, 5-4 and won. Today, they were 1-1 at halftime. Second half, they came out like prime Barcelona.

53:443-1 up. It could have been 5-1 up. And then ended up losing 5-4. Just one of those days. But it was a good game. It was a good game. Oli technically won as the Premier League, says Gareth.

54:00So did Mourinho. Sir Alex won as another one as well. It's weird, isn't it? I don't want the Premier League. I don't want the titles. I don't want the titles. I just don't acknowledge Man City's. I heard somebody saying it today it's almost like the last decade of Premier League football has this big uncertainty around it now can you reassign those titles to teams that didn't actually win but maybe should have done is it that simple you know a lot of people have said well why would you give Liverpool a Klopp title when if Man City hadn't spent that money all those players that went to Man City might have gone to different teams and they might have won it.

54:43I mean, what they were basically saying is maybe Arsenal would have won the league more between 2010 and 2015 if Man City hadn't been buying some of their better players because they took, well, Nasri for a one, didn't they? So I just think it's too simplistic to say, well, United finish second, give them a title. I just think the whole footballing world is a massive uncertainty. I would let the records book say they won a title, because no one will acknowledge them, really. Imagine they get rid of Carrick and bring Oli back, says Red Devil. Done that one. Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

55:24Okay. That show absolutely flew by. Thank you, everybody who's been tuning in. It's a strange international break. I mean, we've got through a week of it. We've still got... the way I'm looking at it is it's now just a normal international break we've got two weeks so it's weird having a three week international break and it'll be interesting to see whether they keep it next year. I like the fact that there's only two instead of three now but a three week break is a long time it is a long time

56:05yeah but it is what it is let's see what tomorrow brings on some of these injuries certainly Pablo says if City don't get booted out and have the rebuild their entire team nothing they do will be respected again because we know how they got it well look on that tomorrow I expect surely the Premier League to make a statement early tomorrow morning so let's let's see what comes with that because we should then start to get an idea of what sort of sanctions are going to occur and how that impacts Manchester United. Gorzilla said, did you see Liam Gallagher's tweet? I did because I quote tweeted it.

56:42So basically, let's just quickly do this. He said that just been told by someone in a very high position, a very, very high position, if we lose our appeal, which we won't, we'll be getting a fine and a transfer ban and that's it. So all you desperate, neurotic spunk bubbles hush it up, says Liam Gallagher. I quote tweeted him and said, the problem is City fans have been told a lot of things over the last few years that don't look like they were right. Why would you trust it again? So, look.

57:16The thought that Liam Gallagher is now the Manchester City David Ornstein sort of makes me laugh.

57:26But even if it's true that he's been told that, are these not the same Man City owners that have been putting it out there for a long time that they had irrefutable evidence that they hadn't done it. And yeah, if I was a Man City fan, and I know a few Man City fans, they're very worried. And those are the City fans I feel sorry for. It's the City fans who are coming out, going,

57:52everything's, you know, we haven't done anything wrong, etc.

57:59Anyway, thanks everybody for watching. let's see what tomorrow brings on all of that take care, stay safe, great to be back live with you as well and I'll speak to you tomorrow, thanks for watching

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