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1:38Hello, everybody. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news as we react to the major fallout of Manchester United. The drop-off. Is relegation an issue? Well, I don't really want to talk about that this morning. There's still lots to get into. There's lots of journalists writing articles. There's lots of quotes coming out, lots of reasoning coming out, lots of spin coming out. But look, a very interesting comment from Julian Lorenz I want to talk about. Also a BBC article sympathising with Wilcox, but saying his job could be on the line. But I think we're a community here and we say it how it is and we don't agree.

2:15I mean, there's a poll in the chat at the moment, Carrick in or out, where are you this morning? I just want to start off a couple of minutes and say that, look, I'll never want Man United to lose. I know some of you do. Let me know in the comments why, if you do. But I don't want Man United to lose against Chelsea. I think yesterday, you know, I'm so fed up with the club. It's not the club I recognise. It's a mess. But look, time is a great healer. The human brain has an amazing ability to deal with trauma and, you know, and move on and compartmentalise. Obviously, I feel different than I did yesterday.

2:47I want Man United to win against Chelsea. I want Man United to win. But it is game over. And also, I feel that when you take the emotion out of things, it's very, very clear to me what Man United's plan is here. This is about not having a plan B. This is about money. This is about manipulation. And it always has been. And without being melodramatic, if there is a Man United fan out there that doesn't think they're being played every single day of the last 20 years, you're really naive. if you're a Man United fan and you think that winning Premier League titles or you know what we used to be find you know obvious is that we want to win things we're not that club and you are deluded if you think that's the case battle lines have been drawn here and some people have already jumped on the side of Ineos and the Glazers the battle draw but the battle line and the manipulation is incredible and you know what Michael Carrick and the players represent the Glazers and Ineos they're fighting for them Michael Carrick can do press conferences about Manchester United, we're Manchester United.

3:49He's a powerless puppet to Sir Jim Radcliffe. And that's a very blunt thing to say on a Wednesday morning, but Michael Carrick is a powerless puppet to Sir Jim Radcliffe and Jason Wilcox. What power does Michael Carrick have at that club? The only power he has is to resign and say, I don't agree with what you've done to Manchester United. You've turned it into a soulless vessel with no ambition. I will not attach my name to it. what he's actually doing is I love Man United I'm here to help the fans I'm one of the fans I'm here to help you yeah but who's your boss Jason Wilcox and Sir Jim Radcliffe what can you actually do for his fans well I feel that by helping them I might help you and there's a battle line and I wake up this morning and I go you know what screw the emotion screw the swearing screw the overreaction there is a very clear battle line here if you're a Man United player or a Man United coach you work for the Glazers and you work for Ineos.

4:44And what they've done to this football club over the last few days and the last few years is abysmal. You are a paid puppet of them. You can come out with your Instagram posts and your battle speeches about we're all in it together, but we're not all in it together because you're paid by Sir Jim Radcliffe and the Glazers and we don't like them. You are an employee of them. You have no power. You've got no power at all. So when we are told on Saturday to get behind the players and get behind the manager. They're paid by Sir Jim Radcliffe and the Glazers, whose sole aim, it seems, is to sink this football club.

5:17So it's about understanding this morning what it is you're getting behind, because they are master manipulators. I saw Chris Wheeler's article in the Daily Mail. I saw Laurie Whitwell's article in The Athletic. And as journalists, they are just feeding out Glazer propaganda, because there is no hard-hitting analysis of where we were on Monday. All the journalists have run for the hills to hide again. On Monday, it was about the Glazers, INEOS, the running and destruction of Man United, the incompetence of Jason Wilcox and Barada. But two days later, because Michael Carrick is staying and there's a press conference tomorrow, they've all run for the hills because it's like, shit, I won't get a question.

5:58So all this gobbyness on Monday about, oh, the Glazers this, INEOS that, you know, the board this, the board that. They're all playing bloody client journalists again. And when you read these articles, the list of reasons Michael Carrick is here. Well, again, I saw it again this morning. Money, lack of a plan B, the fans' response to Michael Carrick on Sunday. They're not bloody stupid. When was the last time you were consulted on anything to do with Man United? Ticket prices, building a new stadium. You're never consulted. They don't listen to you. But it's a masterstroke that they've leaked it out there that one of the reasons we've decided to keep Michael was the fans response.

6:38We're listening to the fans. The fans clearly want to keep Michael. And that's one of the reasons we've done it. You and I know that is absolute bullshit, absolute lies. But it works because some of these people that were cheering for Carrick are actually fighting for the Glazers and Ineos now. They're like, he's one of our own. He's one of our own. Michael Carrick, he's one of our own. We're here for Carrick. We're here for Carrick. What, the paid employee of Ineot? I mean, it benefits Sir Jim Radcliffe and Jason Wilcox that Michael Carrick stays cheap and protects their own back. But there's some United fans who think because they sang for Carrick on Sunday, they actually made a difference.

7:18They actually made him stay. Mate, you were singing Build a Bonfire for the Glazers and Jason Wilcox is a wanker. I don't think they chose not to listen to those things and then just listen to that. It's pure spin to do what they've always done and divide this fan base because that's how they survive. Let the fans argue amongst themselves and we'll continue doing what we're doing. So look, I think this morning where I sit is there is a battle line here and as per usual, the fan base will split and argue amongst itself. But the battle line is if you're a player, Michael Carrick, Jason Wilcox, Sir Jim Radcliffe, Glazers, you're all on the same team.

7:58you're playing you know if you're a player you're playing for the glazers if you're Carrick you're paying you're playing for the glazers and that's where we are I don't you know there is no hero amongst that team that they are all on one team if any of them were about the fans and on our side then we'd get more of what Martinez did and we won't get any more of that now because that's all been locked down they're all on the payroll and they're all on the side of the glazers and And the Glazers and Ineos are bad for Manchester United. There is no in-between. This is just my opinion, but there is no in-between.

8:34There is no fans and the owners and then, you know, Carrick's one of us or Bruno's one of us. You know, Carrick and Bruno are one of them. They're paid for by them. They have an opportunity to publicly not be part of that, but they choose the payroll. They've got contracts. That's absolutely fine. But they don't represent me or this fan base. They represent Sir Jim Radcliffe and Wilcox. That's who they represent. And they are enemies of this football club. It's very, very clear. And when you solve that problem in your head this morning, which you all need to do individually, you might have a different opinion.

9:11That's absolutely fine. I'm just telling you mine. This morning, there is a battle line. There is the fans and the people who care about Man United as a football club. And there is everybody else on the payroll of Sir Jim and the Glazers. And they, you know, sitting back and doing nothing is not an excuse. Oh, but I've got the best interests of Man United at heart. No, you haven't. You're being paid by the people that are destroying this football club. If you had the best interests of Man United at heart, you'd leave. If you had the best interests of Man United at heart, you'd hand a transfer request in.

9:40You haven't. You're all part of the same propaganda spin to keep these despicable people in power. And they are despicable because they're sinking and destroying this football club. And I still find it incredible this morning that we're one point off relegation, playing the worst football I've ever seen. And it's business as usual. I mean, whoever would have thought that Man United would be one point off relegation, their worst start to a season in 40 years, embarrassed virtually every single game. And the club's stance is business as usual. So make your own mind up. Make your own mind up. I want Man United to win on Saturday.

10:19I don't think I can ever be that person. I know I respect the people who are. It's just not in me. I've seen loads of people saying, I want Chelsea to win. So Jim Radcliffe's flying in for the game. I want Chelsea to win in front of that person that sunk my club. I do get that, but I can't fake it. I just can't. I always want Man United to win. You know I do. When we beat Brentford and everyone was saying it was embarrassing in the last two minutes and McTominay scored, I always want Man United to win because I can say that all those people are the enemy of the club and they don't represent the man United I love and that's the one I want to win.

10:54But I have got no respect for the players or Carrick or the coaches or Wilcox or Sir Jim Radcliffe because they're all on the same team. If you think Michael Carrick represents you, right? Let me put it like this. Was he even in the meeting on Monday? No, he's waiting outside the door to see if those people keep him in power. I mean, that's what he is. He's got no skin in the game at all. He's literally sat outside the office waiting to see if they sack him. They choose his future. He's got no power. So therefore, he's a puppet. Bruno Fernandes is waiting to see if he gets picked on Saturday. He's got no power.

11:33He's just a puppet. The people with the power are the people who've destroyed this football club. It's the Glazers. It's the Jim Radcliffe. It's the board. They are the problem. Everyone else is just a puppet. Thankfully, we're not. As fans, we're not. we can make our own mind up and you can choose to believe the propaganda or you can choose to have a different voice. That's down for you, isn't it, at the end of the day. But it's a strange situation, isn't it? Because ultimately, whatever happens on Saturday, a win for Man United is a win for the Glazers. It's a win for Ineos. It's a win for the new stadium.

12:08It's a win for the share price. I mean, I actually do believe if there was a button to bring this all crashing down, I'd do it. I would do it. I would do that. What's that saying? What's that saying where it's like, die today to live tomorrow? Sounds like Jesus at Easter. No, it's not that. It's short-term pain, long-term gain. That's what it is. I'd press that button. If somebody said today you could sink the Man United share price to a point that the Glazers and Ninos would have to sell, I'd press that button. You'd be an idiot not to. Absolutely. I'd go down to League One to get rid of this ownership and put a responsible person in charge.

12:53I'd actually love to be in the Championship with an owner that loves the club and loves football and wants to put money in. I don't care. You know, I sometimes look at the punishment that Man City are going to get and I'm like, if you get away with the Championship and a clean slate, so bloody what? You go down to that. I genuinely feel excitement, which I don't feel at the moment. I genuinely would feel excited about being in the championship, but not having the Glazers or Ineos and not having any debt and having an owner that wants to take us back to the top. Because we haven't won a title or been near a title for 13 years.

13:31Put me in the championship, I might be three years off a title. Put me in the situation I'm in now, I'm 20 years off a title. So I'd be dancing in the streets with Ricky with our tops off in the rain if we were in the championship, but we had no debt, responsible owners who love the club. I'll bloody love it. I think a lot of you wouldn't because you've got your own opinions. I'd fucking love it. I'd probably go down to League Two, to be honest. Put us with Salford. We would go through those leagues, piece of piss, and then we'd come into the Premier League and we'd have a reset. So I would love that.

14:06I think people think you're being melodramatic when you say that. I'm not. I've had 13 years of this, and this is the lowest we've ever been. And also what disgusts me the most is, is that apparently we've got people in the club who care about the club, like Darren Fletcher and Michael Carrick and Bruno Fernandes, and they're all puppets to this destruction. So I think we're at the point now where you either put up or shut up. And I think the fans have had enough. And I'm not up for protecting people anymore. who pretend that they've got the best interests of the club at heart whilst they're taking the Glazers' money doing their bidding.

14:41And that's where we are now. I think they're all enemies of the football club now, which is why I was so... For two days, it's why I praised Martinez. And then he backed down. He shits himself and he backed down. And I don't respect Martinez anymore because he said the truth and then he backed down 48 hours later. He bottled it. So, you know, anybody in that football club now, if you want power, you know what you've got to do, but they won't do it. They're all part of the fucking Ineos and Glazer gravy train, aren't they? Shut up and earn your money. But look, I still, it's total hypocrisy. I still want us to win on Saturday.

15:21I understand the people who don't, but there is a battle. There is a battle line now. The players and Carrick are on the Ineos side and the fans are on whatever side they want to be. I'm not telling you which side to go on, but Carrick and the players fight for the Glazers and fight for Ineos and Jason Wilcox because let's be honest beating Chelsea on Saturday keeps Wilcox and Sir Jim alive that's where we are now it's a sad sad situation as Elton John once sang right let's get into some of the news we have an article in the BBC that came out last night about maybe Jason Wilcox being under some pressure I personally don't think this is true I think what this is is spin I'm very disappointed by all the journalists, by the way.

16:07What's new, Pussycat? As Tom Jones once said. I have actually done a show today where I'm dropping loads of songs in. If you've got seven already, you're doing really well. But look, I'm very disappointed. I said this on Stick to United with Rooney yesterday. When I was in Manchester on Monday, I drove up and I was listening to the radio and I was reading loads of articles. I finally felt like we weren't singing alone. it feels like months, years of calling out the board, calling out the owners, calling out the mess at Man United. And on Monday, there was just this pile on from ex-players, journalists, everybody saying what a disgrace Man United Football Club is, what a mess Man United Football Club is.

16:50And, you know, you do have that feeling of, well, it's a little bit late, but get on the bandwagon, this is good. 24 hours later, they've all gone back again. this is you know this is what pisses me off about the media and journalists around Man United is that on Monday they're all screaming and shouting within 24 hours they realise where their bread is buttered and they're back talking about oh yeah you know the same old crap there is a battle line actually it's not just Carrick and the players on the side of Wilcox and Ineos it's also all the bloody journalists and some of the ex-players as well they're all on that side Hi, this is Nikaela Matthews-Oconley from SideHustle Pro.

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19:17Whereas if you care about Man United, you're on the other side. I just don't get it. But I do think it's PR. I think Man United, as I said, are masterful when it comes to PR. And sometimes they kick themselves in the nuts to survive. So if you put a story out there that Wilcox's job might be in jeopardy, knowing it's not, the fan base goes, oh, maybe he's going to go. They'll think about that for a couple of days and then they'll forget and Wilcox will stay. So I think this is like almost damage limitation PR. Let's pretend Barada and Wilcox could get sacked. They're never going to get sacked, but the fan base will forget about it.

19:52And I think that's what it's all about. Because even in the article, it says there is sympathy with Wilcox, who did not set the summer transfer budgets. Others say Radcliffe has provided significant funds for transfers since he took charge of football affairs in 2024, as well as injecting 300 million of his own money into the club. Look, I think it's a great point. And look, this is why I think this community is so good, because we don't just blah, blah, blah. There is levels to this. Do you think Jason Wilcox is responsible or do you think Sir Jim Radcliffe is responsible? Because when you look at Ineos, they have put money in.

20:25They have put money in. You know, the Ineos summer started with De Ligtz and Yoro and Masraoui. That's when it started. Then we had the Kunja, Sesko and Bermos summer. And now we've had this summer. So I think that money has been spent by Ineos and the Glazers. So has it been spent well? I think they're both to blame. I think Ineos are to blame and I think Jason Wilcox is to blame because I think Jason Wilcox has spent that money badly, but Ineos did a really stupid thing. They said, let's say there's£150 million for the summer, which sounds like a lot of money. And you'd say to Jason Wilcox, you need sacking because you've wasted£150 million on Balaba, Santos and Tillemans.

21:11You could say that, but remember there are parameters with that£150 million. If somebody gives me 150 million pounds to go and spend on the midfield, I might go and spend it on Elliot Anderson and nobody else. I might go and spend it on Alex Scott and Tenali, and that would be roughly be 150 million quid. Jason Wilcox couldn't do that because we won't spend over 70 million pounds on a player and we won't spend over 180 grand a week on wages. so yes you've spent 150 million pounds but there are parameters there which in the os have put in place so i think they're both to blame yes jason wilcox has spent the money really badly but sir jim radcliffe put stupid parameters in with that money there's 150 million pounds but you need to get three players with it you can't spend over 70 million pounds on one player and you can't pay over 180 grand a week on wages so they're both responsible they're both responsible when you understand the niche levels of the transfer window.

22:11And just on that as well, speaking to your heart, because we are speaking honestly here, and I agree with JMR, they're both equally responsible. I don't think I've ever said this before because it's self-sabotage, but I will say this honestly, right? If there are any agents out there talking to Man United about a summer move, and there are any players out there thinking about a move to Manchester United, I would say don't. Don't come here and end up being the blame. Don't sign for Manchester United if you are a senior player that thinks Man United's a good move for you. Because what will happen is they will bring you in with an arm around the shoulder and then while they're doing that, they'll stab you in the back to protect themselves.

22:58If the last 48 hours has taught us anything, it doesn't matter whether you're Michael Carrick, Bruno Fernandes or anybody else. This board and this ownership will screw you over with a smile to protect themselves. And also your career will die. You know, I look at Mbermo at Brentford. He was one of the best players in the league. He's bang average now. I look at Ahmad two years ago. He looked like he was going to potentially be one of the best wingers in European football. He's bang average now. I look at Cunha at Wolves, one of the best players in the Premier League for Wolves at that season in a crap team, is bang average now.

23:34I look at Marcus Rashford at Barcelona last season. He actually was doing really well. He's back to the Rashford that we got rid of now. Like, we destroy careers. People want to blame the players, but those players were good players at Brentford and Wolves and Barcelona. You know, these players were good elsewhere. At Man United, they're dog shit. so don't come to Man United and ruin your career I mean I think I actually think if you sign for Man and look at Balaba Balaba Balaba he wasn't particularly good at Brighton last year but does he look like he's going to get any development here look at Santos Tillemans at Villa last year was really good he looks bang average here as well it's a common theme I think Bruno Fernandes is the only player we've bought that's actually done anything like what he did before Players should not be looking to sign for Man United under this regime.

24:28It will destroy your career. Look at Xerxes. Some would say Xerxes is lazy and he should have left. But at Bologna, he was an up-and-coming young striker. He's now a mid-twenties bench player. We destroy careers. Players should not be signing for Man United. And I know that's self-sabotaging because I want Man United to be good. But it's a graveyard for your career. People should not be signing for Man United. The evidence is there and it's been there for 10 years. We destroy careers here. This is the end of your career. Look at Donny van der Beek. Some of them probably weren't good enough, but Donny van der Beek at Ajax was a player that Real Madrid wanted.

25:10He's now fucking shit. How many players are there like that? Deleuze, when we signed Deleuze, PSG wanted him, Real Madrid wanted him, Barcelona wanted him. Look at him now. we destroy careers. I wouldn't sign for Man United. That would be my advice. Anyway, moving on. This was from Julian Lorenz on CBS Sports Galazzo talking about the Man United situation, which is very interesting because it's a lot of what we were saying yesterday. So he's saying, I was told there's no plan B to Michael Carrick. So they basically said, what's the point in getting rid of him when you'd appoint an interim between now and whenever they can find a manager?

25:53so that the thought process of United's board was we may as well keep Carrick half as the coach that he is right now half as an interim until a potential plan b comes along whether that's Nagelsmann Eddie Howe Conte or Emery but right now the plan b is not there it's not that they can't find a replacement it's just that the process of appointing somebody if they decide to get rid of Carrick will take a bit of time which is normal um this is basically what I said last night, there was no plan and it will take time. When we gave Michael Carrick his contract, it took a week and he desperately wanted the job.

26:31So imagine how many weeks it takes to get somebody to come in now considering the shit show and power play. You know, any manager is going to want things in writing about, you know, no manager is going to come into Man United and say, treat me like Carrick. Give me no say in tactics. Give me no say in signings. Give me no say in anything. So it will take time. But the scary thing is, is the incompetence. And I really want to reiterate this this morning. No competent football club ever leaves itself in a position where if something goes wrong with your manager, you haven't got anything lined up.

27:12Michael Carrick could wake up one morning and say, I want to go to Japan. I've had enough of football. I've always wanted to go to Japan on tour. I love the culture. And Man United haven't got a manager. So a club the size of Man United to not have a plan B, even if you're top of the league and playing well, is ridiculous. But to not have a plan B when you lose your opening game of the season to Hull, that we should have started in August. It was very obvious in August that this season could go bad. we've waited till October to go, ooh, let's start having a chat with other managers. We should have been doing this in the international break.

27:53The new manager should have been here now because we should have been having conversations ages ago, but we literally didn't set anything in place because what we have is three of the most stubborn, deluded people in world football altogether. You can picture them in your head. So Jim Radcliffe, Omar Barada and Jason Wilcox are three of the most stubborn, deluded people in football. They do not think anybody knows anything more than them. And collectively, they just think they know everything. And that would be great if they were good. But unfortunately, they're not. So when they choose Michael Carrick back in May, they're like, let's stick with him.

28:52That's their idea. And we're paying the price of that. They're just totally and utterly incompetent, aren't they? Also in the BBC article, it says, the feeling is that we all want to put it right. Players, staff, everyone. This is from a Man United player. I mean, look, you know, fasten your seatbelts, get your umbrella up. We're going to have, it's going to feel like an episode of Only Fools and Horses on UK Gold. You've seen it before. We're going to get over the next 48 hours another rousing press conference from Michael Carrick. Players are really up for trying. You'll see a different Man United on Saturday and maybe we will.

29:36Maybe we will. But all I would say is, weren't we meant to get that for Como? Weren't we meant to get that for Bournemouth? Like, how many more times is the boy going to cry wolf? Like, what speech are we going to get tomorrow? Is it good? Instead of Sir Alex, Wayne Rooney and Ryan Giggs, is it going to be George Best, Dennis Lawrence, Bobby Charlton? Like, or Matt Busby? You know, what are we going to talk about tomorrow in this stirring speech that we've already heard a million times. And the players are determined to put it right at Stamford Bridge instead of at Old Trafford in front of your own fans, in front of Bournemouth who played on Thursday.

30:19It's hard to trust and believe that they're going to put it right when we've been told it so many times. Look, personal opinion again, I'd love to know your opinion. look 22 % of you are actually Carrick in which I you know that cheers me up in the morning because there are idiots in the world and whilst there's idiots in the world intelligent people will prosper but no on a serious note I'd love to know why why 22 % of you want to keep a manager that if he wasn't called Michael Carrick and he was called Eric Ten Hag you'd be actually abusing him and calling him a bold fraud I don't get why you're Carrick in other than he used to play for Man United and he's a nice guy I can't see any logical reason why you'd be Carrick in oh we don't blame him we blame the players he picks the team he sets the tactics he does the fitness so he is responsible oh no manager will be successful under these owners yeah but there's levels of success isn't there there's a relegation battle in this fifth place I think there are managers that would get us in the top five they won't win us the league but they'll get us in the top five and I guarantee you if this was Ruben Ambrim you'd be using abusive names against him.

31:33So I don't understand why people are carrying in really, but maybe we'll get somebody who can tell us why that is, because it would be great to know, because I think 22 % of you should be represented by an opinion. It's quite a large chunk of people. So we'll hang around for those observations. But I don't know what your thoughts are, but I think it says it in the title, actually, game over. It's game over. It's game over. It's absolutely game over. And I'd love to get clipped in a year's time where I said game over, and it not be game over and we're top of the league. But the only way that this gets...

32:09Look, the only way I'm going to be wrong, and I won't be wrong, because they won't do it, and if they did do it, I'd still be right, would be if they...

32:25If they started spending money properly. That's the only way that it would get better. If they actually invested in the team and bought the right sort of players, that's the only way it would get better. In relation to reality, why is it game over? Because no manager in history has ever come back from this. Like there might be a bump. I'm not saying he can't survive till Christmas or the end of the season, but at some point we're going to lose. And when you get to this, I mean, he's not on thin ice. He's in the freezing water and he's shaking and he's suffering from bloody hypothermia. You can pull him out and you can rescue him, but he's still got to go back in the water.

33:10He's not even going on thin ice. Like every time he loses now, he goes back in the water. And at some point, we're not going to be able to keep rescuing him. So they've pulled him out of a situation where it was over. But the thing about being a manager is, of any football club, is that at some point you get to a point where you've lost the fans. And when you've lost the fans, and I've seen it with Ten Hag, I've seen it with Oli, I've seen it with Mourinho. I mean, look, Karik has got to a point where he should have gone. I think we'd all agree with that. But he survived, fair enough.

33:50The goodwill is gone. so let's say we beat Chelsea I'm just looking at the fixtures let's say we beat Chelsea let's say we beat Roma and Villa won't get sacked in the international break absolutely won't get sacked in the international break I think it's fair to say so survives until after the international break but after the international break we lose to Liverpool at Anfield we get battered everyone's saying Carrick out again so to survive you'd almost have to win, win, win, win win, win, win, win and that just won't happen so it's game over at some point that this is not going to go to a point where Man United are successful or Michael Carrick's here for a year or two at some point it will go very, very badly for Manchester United.

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37:00I watched it this morning. And if you have time, and if you don't have time, it's absolutely fine. But if you do have time, and look, people who like clipping clips on Instagram of ours will love it. it's called No Way Back video and I've pinned it in the live chat for you to watch at some point I did that video on a cold and frosty morning there's another one just after Amram had been sacked so it was a frosty garden I had a big coat and gloves on and I did a video after Amram had been sacked and I said No Way Back that was in January now considering Carrick came in won his first two games and everyone said, oh yeah, there's a way back.

37:42I did that video after Amarim got sacked. It's well worth a watch because there's some nuggets in there about there is no way back for this football club. Nine months later, it's a prophecy because we're in a worse situation than we were there. But a lot of people were really excited. They were like, oh yeah, we've got rid of Amarim, this, that and the other. It's a really good 10 minute video with loads and loads of stuff pointing the finger exactly where it is And basically there's things in there about you cannot be successful when you've got people making these decisions and they've got the power.

38:18So check it out if you've got time. But this will be game over for Carrick. It will be game over for Carrick because he. I could write a book on why. And one reason I'll give you in a minute is a very good one. But the reason it's over is because football tells you it's over. he's too inexperienced and he can't learn on this job he's in the wrong job to learn he needs to be at Preston or um you know an Ipswich or something he needs to be at a place where he can learn and make mistakes you can't do that at Man United it's the same as Yoro I don't know whether Yoro will ever be a Man United player because we don't have the environment for him to learn and make mistakes so you know an inexperienced coach is never going to work the results are horrific you don't come back from those you've got he's got no money in the bank he's like a guy in a casino who has bet his last 10 pound on red it's coming on red he's won 100 quid but he's got to keep betting can't walk he can't go home without 100 quid he needs to get to 10 000 so he's got to keep betting and at some point he's going to blow the lot so he's you know he's in the last chance saloon you don't turn those sort of results around.

39:30Steven Gerrard said it on Monday on Overlap Daily. He's lost those players. He won't get them back. There might be some results, but he won't actually get them back. You know, you can tell that the trust and respect isn't there. So that's not going to come back. So at some point, it will be game over. The sad thing is, is that whilst we wait for that, what damage does that do to the season? If we change the manager on Monday, maybe we'd have had an uptick in results enough to get us in the top five, get us into the Champions League, earn some money, buy better players. If it takes so long to get rid of Carrick that we're not in Europe at all, that's a double whammy because we need that money.

40:08We need Champions League money. So we need to be in the Champions League. We absolutely need to be in the Champions League. But also another reason Carrick will fail is because look at Marcus Rashford, Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, Mason Mount, Bruno Fernandes, Lissandro Martinez, Deleu. All those players need their future resolving next summer. If most of them go, they need replacing. If most of them stay, they're not good enough. So as much as Man United under Ineos think they're rebuilding Man United, in reality, we're seven months away from the biggest rebuild we've had since Sir Alex Ferguson retired.

40:50If you think about that Sir Alex Ferguson team with Vidic and Giggs and Rio and Evra and Carrick and Scholes. That whole team needed rebuilding. It was a bloody good team to rebuild, but it needed rebuilding. This whole team needs rebuilding again. Bruno's gone. Martínez is gone. Maguire's finished. Luke Shaw's finished. Mason Mounts is irrelevant. Delo's not good enough. So Wilcox and Carrick won't be good enough to rebuild this team either. So at some point, it's all going to come crashing down.

41:27so there's no happy ending there's probably no happy ending anyway but there is no happy ending with this it will all come crashing down at some point it's inevitable and of course hopefully we will beat Chelsea on Saturday because if we lose to Chelsea on Saturday they'll still keep him I really hope we win on Saturday so that at least it's a change of mood for a couple of days because if we lose to Chelsea on Saturday, we'll probably be in the bottom three and they'll still keep him for Roma because the turnaround's too quick.

42:02An absolute mess. Daniel, thanks for being a member for 71 months. Would any of you accept Howe as head coach if it meant Wilcox getting the sack when Howe inevitably fails? United Front, the only way I would accept Eddie Howe is if Jason Wilcox got sacked with Carrick. I don't think Eddie Howe's the answer but I can't back Eddie Howe if he's Wilcox's choice so if Eddie Howe wants to be backed and the club want fans to back Eddie Howe you would have to you need to sack the director of football anyway they have to go I'm Ark says Daniel Thompson another reason keeping Carrick isn't right is he can only use certain players from an already threadbare injury ridden squad and although I'd be starting him now can he pick Bruno and others he can't trust says Daniel I heard somebody the other day trying to use injuries as an excuse.

42:49And I didn't bother replying. I'll just mention it here. He doesn't use Sesko anyway. He doesn't use Dorgue anyway. The only player that's injured that he actually uses is Mainu. And to be honest, a lot of people are like, well, Mainu was playing in the crap games anyway. So the injury excuse, which I've seen a certain journalist try and feed out, is total and utter horseshit. He doesn't use Sesko or Dorgue. And Mainu, whilst he is a miss, also played in some of the games where we played badly. And so did Rashford. Even Roy has woken up, says Lex. I don't know what Roy has said, but if anyone's got a quote on that, I'd like to know.

43:31We've got a two o 'clock show anyway. We've gone from theatre of dreams to theatre of excuses. No identity, no passion, no standards. We're not rebuilding, we're recycling, says Michael. Emily says, Emily Derry, yesterday was a very deep embarrassment in their scramble of self-preservation. The board and the manager have blamed and demotivated the people they're going to rely on and angered the fans, says Emily. Yeah, I mean, if I was a player, I don't know, even if you're Harry Maguire and done nothing wrong, you're still the blame. You still got booed. You've still been exposed. I mean, as I said, if I was a player and some of those players do deserve a lot of criticism, I'd still be sat there going, how the fuck am I getting all the blame for this?

44:09Because you're all getting the blame for this. You're all responsible now. They're clever. They know unless we unite, they win. If it's the players whose fault is that, they bought them. Buy better. Why are players still even here? Says MF. I will take whatever is needed to reset this club. Says Double D. Completely agree. Thoughts on Radcliffe using one of his 90 days to see the match at the Bird, the bridge. Good to see nothing comes in between him and his beloved Blues. Yeah, apparently Sir Jim Radcliffe is flying in for this game, but you know, Chelsea is his love, isn't it? Have you heard anything else around more around what the 58 are planning?

44:39No, I know they're doing something, Roz, and obviously we will back and support that. So I look forward to what that's going to be. I don't know what it's going to be. I hope it's not just protests and targeting sponsors. I think there are bigger things that could be done. But it will all come down to whether the fan base want to do it. Does the fan base want to do it? That's that would be the interesting thing. Both responsible, Wilcox and Barada. Book stocks with Sir Jim. Vision is wrong. New stadium shows it. First, you fix the infrastructure and make sure the team is successful. Absolutely.

45:12Conte's answer with fitness issue work around him, says Konomy. The reason they won't go for Conte is because Wilcox is shit scared of him, basically. Wilcox wants a puppet. Conte will destroy him. I mean, let's just call it what it is. For Man United to put it out there that they're not convinced about Conte, in the 13 years we've been shit, how many titles has he won? He's a top-level manager and they're acting like he's Sam Allardyce. Conte would be perfect for this situation because we're desperate. to say they're not convinced by him. Let's call it how it is. They're terrified of him exposing the truth.

45:49That's why they're not going for Conte. You don't have to like Conte, by the way, but that's not why. Man United aren't going for Conte because of his style of play or anything like that. They're just shit scared of him. At this point, could it be Radcliffe's master plan to get United relegated or to buy the shares on the cheap? No, Jostkin. I think these available managers are saying no to the job and that's why Carrick is still here. I don't think that's the case either, Sonnen. Only Carrick in because the board would just get house, says British. Fair point. Fair point. I can understand that.

46:20I'm only Carrick in if nothing changes at the top. If Wilcox or Barada stay, what's the point of sacking? I want everyone gone, says Cody. This will probably lose the fans after all the years of incompetence and self-implosion. Would you blame them for leaving, says Ipster. Patrick Lynch says, we fired two managers in the last three years. Intelligence tells you that means you should have a contingency plan in place no matter what. More evidence of incompetence. incompetence, it's incredible, says Patrick. It's stunning, but what I would say, Patrick, is the jury was maybe out with some people.

46:49We would say Wilcox, Baradus, or Jim are incompetent, and some people just think it's just anger. I don't think anybody would defend them now. They are incompetent. I'm carrying as I'm bored of player power out, but there is no player power, Damien. I think this player power thing, you're just a glazer, mate. Player power. The team he picked on Sunday had none of the player powers in it. There was no Rashford, there was no Bruno, there was no Martinez, there was no Cunha, it was his team and they were shit. What player power are we talking about here? The players are not responsible for Man United's position.

47:24They didn't put us in debts. They didn't conduct a shit transfer window. They didn't appoint Carrick. They're not trying to build a stadium. Players have some responsibility, Damian, but they're not the reason Man United are shit. It's madness to me that people want to pin this on players. I'd be fuming if I was a player. It feels like we've spiritually sacked Carrick and simultaneously appointed him as an interim anyway, so he's not prepared. Ask this, what if he survives until 2027? Says JJ. If he does, he does. I mean, nothing would surprise me. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept him if we got relegated.

47:58I won't be surprised if we will somehow play better than we have one match a week again. One minute.

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48:27Carrick's been sacked I wish he had Call out Bruno mate says Ashwin

48:37well I'm never going to do what people tell me to do because I've got my own opinion and I would urge you all to do that but why would I call Bruno out I think Bruno Fernandes is a player that's realised he's wasted his career and been lied to for the last five years and I'd be pretty pissed off as well so I'm not calling Bruno Fernandes out no I won't be surprised if we will somehow play better when we have one match a week again, says Michael. Only reason, sorry, do you know Dexter's laboratory? If so, we are Dexter and the owners are the DD, says Eggy. I vaguely remember it. Only reason to continue with Carrick is to get the fans against the manager.

49:17Sacking him then will actually feel like a change. Glazer tactics, says Eif. Groucho says Carrick in because someone like Nagelsmann will make a bigger mess of it and be gone in less than a year. It's a strange, I mean, I respect it, but it's a strange one. Let's say you own a McDonald's and one of your managers for a branch is underperforming. You wouldn't go and sack all the employees and say they need his workers. You would sack the manager, Carrick out, says Peter. Recently paid for my first trip to Old Trafford in December. Please light a candle for me. But you might be OK, odd. Carrick might turn it around or we might have a new manager by then.

49:48So at least December, I think the last month has been horrible. But you never know. Under Amrim, you said it was the players' fault. So why is it not their fault now, says Amano. Because under Amrim, I think that it was the players' fault because he was playing a system that they didn't know. When we brought Amirim in, I was like, we need to spend between half a billion and a billion because these players can't play his system. So I was quite excited about that. They never spent the money. So these players couldn't play Amirim's system. So that's why I blamed the players. They couldn't play his system.

50:21He needed more players. Kunja and Mbemo were bought for the system and actually did quite well. and Maguire did quite well in a back three and Luke Shaw did quite well in a back three and Ahmad did quite well as a wing back but he needed a lot more players so it was the players fault they couldn't implement the system that Hamrin was trying to do. With Carrick, his system is chaotic. I don't blame the players for not being fit. I don't blame the players for being put out of position so that is a good point and that is the answer. It's literally the same squad that earned Carrick the job Embarrassing for him to turn on them three months later.

50:58Never seen a more clear management issue, says BRT. And I think that's a great point as well. It's basically the same players that got him the job. And now him and the club are throwing them under the bus, saying it's their fault. It's hypocrisy, isn't it? I know the majority of us hate the Glazers, but surely they can't be happy, says the average angler. Well, some people feel it was better under the Glazers, don't they? 76 % are Carrick out, 24 % are Carrick in. it's democracy. That's a lot of people to be carrying in considering after the Como game, 90 % were carried out. So he's been battered by Bournemouth since Como and he's earned 15 % coming back.

51:41I tell you what, if we go to Stamford Bridge and we get beat 5-0, it might be 50-50. Seems to be getting more support for being shit. Great show, everybody. Stay safe. We are back at 2 o 'clock and I think it's 8 o 'clock tonight or might be 7 o 'clock. I don't know whether I'm doing Liverpool, Chelsea. I might do a late night career mode instead after the eight o 'clock show. Let me know your thoughts. I'm on Overlap Daily today with Harry Redknapp, Jamie Redknapp, Tim Sherwood talking about United and stuff. That's on at four o 'clock on the Overlap Daily channel. Take care, everyone. Eno says, if you think two wins in 12 isn't the manager being subpar and it's the players, it's insane.

52:18And we'll leave it on that. Thanks everybody for watching. Don't forget, you can still get your tickets for me and Wayne Rooney live at the Manchester Apollo. in January. That's one thing you can turn up for that will be a good night. Get your tickets while you can. Link in the description. Also, I've pinned it in the live chat. Watch that video in January. It will change your day. That was straight after Amorim had been sacked. More than half of our fan base was excited about that. And I did that video about no way back, straight after Amorim was sacked. Watch it today. It comes across even more profound.

52:52It's worth it. Speak in a bit. Take care.

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