Glazers EXPOSED! United Are FINISHED!

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1:45Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news as we discuss a shocking update from the Glazers, utterly exposed. Why are we surprised, but what are we doing about it? Also, an update around the manager situation with Emery about to sign a new contract at Villa and United, according to Sky, refusing to appoint an interim. Is everything pointing to just keeping things the same, despite it being absolutely dreadful? Lots to get into on the show this morning, but I want to start off with these comments from the Glazers. Look, I suppose the situation here is, is that Man United have had their worst start in 40 years.

2:25The debt just keeps getting bigger. Ineos got into bed with the Glazers and are reducing the wage bill. They're reducing what we want to spend on signings. So everywhere you look, half the workforce being sacked, charities having money taken away from them. I mean, it's almost like as a fan base, we're blind and deaf. But what has actually happened in the last two years is absolutely terrible. And it gets worse. Two years ago, before Ineos came in, we would spend£90 million on a player. We would give£300 ,000 a week to a player. maybe the wrong player but we would do it now we won't we won't spend 80 million pounds on a player anymore we won't spend 250 grand a week on wages anymore it's cuts cuts cuts cuts people losing their job charities not being funded ticket prices going up season ticket holders who've been season ticket holders for years being pushed out because i'll tell you what let's call it how it is a local manchester fan who turns up at the game because they live 20 minutes away sits in the seat they've sat in for 20 years and then goes away is not as valuable to Sir Jim Radcliffe or the Glazers as a fan who flies in from abroad, goes into the megastore, spends 100 quid and on the ticket as well, and fancies a bit of corporate.

3:37You're just not valuable as a legacy fan. But it's happening in 4K in front of us. And this is what has come out of a Glazer. I think it was something to do with Deutsche Bank, some sort of banking world conversation. Abraham Glazer said that Man United are not reliant on sporting success for their commercial power. Avram made a rare appearance at Deutsche Bank inaugural sports investment conference in London and sources said he argued that Man United's value is incubated from the effects of sporting variants in the same way that the New York Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys still stand out as major global brands.

4:18We are dead. We are over. We are exposed. We are stupid. We are naive. and you know what? If I say to you, look, the owner of the football club is basically saying it doesn't matter if we lose on the pitch. Look at the profits. Dallas Cowboys haven't been near a Super Bowl in a very long time. They're still probably the biggest NFL franchise. New York Yankees, the same. Don't need to win whatever they do. They are just a brand where you can see the caps and everything like that. Man United, the Glazers journey is complete. It doesn't, you know, the amazing thing is every pound that Man United earned from commerciality comes from the fact that it's you.

5:04But you don't care about football either because you keep funding them. You keep there's a massive queue for season tickets. Every time a new kit comes out, people knock one out and buy it like you cause them to put us into that situation. and when I say you, I mean me as well. As a fan base, we are responsible. Like, apparently there was talk of a walkout on Sunday. Well, the people asking for a walkout are getting ridiculed today, getting ridiculed online today. I'll support the team. They played well against Roma. When the 58 wanted to do a protest at the start of last season, what are you talking about?

5:52We're about to try and sign Belaba. what would you describe as a fan base allowing the Glazers to have done this to Manchester United? Where they're literally sat there, away. They don't attend games because they don't care. Some people who buy a football club, they're at every game because they care. They bought it because they care about the football. Our owners very rarely turn up because they're not interested in the result. They're not interested in the team. As I said, if somebody bought Barcelona, they'd probably turn up because they love Barcelona and they'd watch every game and be like, this is my club.

6:28They don't turn up because they don't care. Manchester United is an asset that they sit across the Atlantic looking at the share price going, Turkey for dinner this year again? What are you supposed to do? They're not even hiding it. They're not even hiding it. This is the same people who spent two years secretly trying to take Man United into a Super League. They don't care because you allow them to be successful. The only way to stop this is to sink the club financially and they are enjoying their biggest profits ever in our worst period. Our share price is rising. It's been rising all season.

7:10Our share price is going up, even though we are terrible on the pitch. We are trapped here. we are trapped it's like having a landlord that gradually is taking your roof off you know and he's renting your garden out for people to camp there and they can use your kitchen and your toilet at any time and you're still paying the rent because he knocked on the door and gave you a tin of Quality Street it's mad it's mad what we're putting and that's basically what's happening the Quality Street is beating Roma The real damage is people are shitting in your toilet, using your kitchen, camping in your garden, stealing the bricks off your roof.

7:54But it doesn't matter. It's just brought around a quality street tin and smiled at me. I have no answers. I have no solutions. I'm as part of the problem as much as you are. But we are done. We are finished. This is not. And the thing is, many of you have been predicting this for years. many of you have been predicting I'd say collectively we've been predicting this for years to be fair because we've been discussing it there's going to become a point where we can't attract top managers anymore there's going to become a point where we can't attract top players anymore there's going to be a point where we're literally just funding commercialisation and rich people they're going to knock down Old Trafford and remove our visual identity of purpose and we're basically just a franchise of what we were.

8:47I was thinking about this. We're not a franchise because a franchise, when McDonald's opened up its original restaurant, they start opening more and more and more and they become franchises of the original. So we're not going to open up other Manchester Uniteds. But the Manchester United that existed on the core of people like Brian Robson, Sir Bobby Charlton, Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir Matt Busby, the class of 92, the Busby Babes, George Best, Dennis Law, Roy Keane, Eric Cantona. That's Manchester United. That's the original core of Manchester United. What this is, at some point, we died. At some point, everything I've just mentioned there disappeared and died and was replaced with this franchise of Manchester United.

9:30Look at the sign. It's not Man United. This is not Manchester United. I can't pinpoint at what day and what year this happened. Probably, I don't know, maybe in the Oli era, maybe before that. But we're not Manchester United. I wish people would wake up. I think some people are waking up. It's too late, by the way. It's too late to wake up. Don't think you can wake up tomorrow and clear Old Trafford and target sponsors and stop buying shirts and getting games cancelled. You'll never do that anyway, but it's too late. When the owner of the football club is saying we're incubated from the effects of football and we'll still be profitable no matter what, what are we doing?

10:14Now, I wish we could all just go and support Brighton. I wish we could close this down tomorrow, call it the Brighton stand, go and support Brighton who are a proper football club with proper principles who want to play proper football, right? I'd love to go and do that but this is why they win because your balls are grabbed and twisted and there's nothing you can do about it because most football fans thrive on loyalty and rivalry and that is why they will win because Man United fans aren't going to go anywhere we're going to stay with this club for the reason that we started with this club and they've got us because if football fans were transient they'd go out of business because no fan, if they could go, if it was acceptable to go and support another club, no one would support this club.

11:06It's a horrible football club. It's a shell of itself. It treats people like shit. It's mercenary. It's commercial. It's not what we fell in love with. But it's like being abused in a marriage that you won't get out of. It's like marrying somebody you're in love with and you had great times. but when you married them there is a law that you can never get divorced and then that person's had a personality transplant and turned into an arsehole and you are stuck with it but they're still taking half your wages you know, you're still paying the mortgage it's disgusting I blame the Premier League for letting it happen in the first place but look, this is not melodramatic I'm sure there'll be a load of people today talking about sacking Carrick there'll be a load of people today talking about oh, if we can just have a good January transfer window because these are the threads of stories that keep the Glazers in power.

11:58But what I've said in the last 20 minutes and some of the comments we're going to read to you out, this is not sensational. I had no intention of talking about this this morning. It's only because of the article in The Athletic. It exposes a truth many of us are aware of. And there may well be some United fans still waking up. But this is what, you know, the Red Army, the 58, others have been talking about for a very, very long time. This is the club that these client journalists prop up for their own benefit. This is the club that some ex-players... I mean, look, I don't want to call out Rio Ferdinand, even though I'm just going to do it, but he's a prime example of somebody who has a very close relationship with Sir Jim Radcliffe and the Glazers, but all this is out.

12:44How can you help... And this is what I talk about, Carrick propping this up, and Darren Fletcher, and everybody else at that club. How do you justify it? I don't want to say what I'm going to say, but how does Rio and Carrick and Darren Fletcher justify this? How do they genuinely justify supporting and working for this when they played under what Man United was? Maybe it's just walking around going, la, la, la, la, I don't agree with it. Lads, the owner of the football club in the last 48 hours has done an interview saying that Manchester United is a fantastic money-making opportunity, no matter what happens on the pitch.

13:30And second to that, we're shit on the pitch and he's doing a speech like that. The owner of the football, this is where people have completely missed this. If this was in the summer when we've just finished third, I still think it's a horrible statement to say, it doesn't matter whether we're good on the pitch or not because we still make money. But when we're suffering our worst start to a season in 40 years, and when they're trying to knock Old Trafford down, And when this club is in massive debt, refusing to spend big on players anymore. Avram Glazer is coming out going, don't matter. You are what your club is.

14:06If we just won the Champions League and the Premier League and he's saying we don't even need to be good on the pitch because we can still make lots of money. You'd go, well, we are good on the pitch. So, you know, whatever. But when you're at your absolute lowest point and fans are suffering, our owners out doing an interview to a load of rich people saying, doesn't it even matter that we're shit? All those fans there that are traumatised, they don't matter. You know, we're starting 40 years. Doesn't matter. Look at the share price. Look at these idiots. They're getting really upset about the football and we're getting rich.

14:41it doesn't matter how shit we are because they will keep spending money and we will keep making money that that's literally what that's what that's what Avram Glaze is saying look at this lot absolute idiots we've been doing this for 20 years and we're still here making big money and look at how look at what we've done look at what we've done this is like buying a Michelin star restaurant and gradually taking it down to serving up dog shit they're still paying for it They're there. They're still shoveling shit into their mouth. 20 years ago, it was prime beef. Now it's dog shit and they're still paying for it.

15:20This is Manchester United. This is Manchester United, a vehicle for rich people to rip us off. They've ripped the soul out. This is not a football club anymore. I'm not surprised by it I'm not surprised by it But you know what? I woke up this morning And you know what I saw? I saw a tweet from a top red Going after fans Asking everybody to walk out of the ground on Saturday And they were like Who are these non-match going foreign fan tourists Telling us lifelong reds To give up our ticket And walk out of a football match And that was it I'm not going to say who's right or wrong, but that had a lot of interaction.

16:06I don't need to comment on it because my opinion doesn't matter. It's one person's. Your opinion doesn't matter. But when you've got that going on this morning, why should we lifelong top reds leave our season tickets and walk out of the ground because people online and tourists are telling us to walk out? Maybe you agree with it. Maybe you don't. But that is an argument in the fan base, dividing it at a time where the person with real power, the owner, is saying, ha, don't care if you turn up or not. We're in control. We do what we want. We're powerless. It's been coming for years. People have told you it's been coming for years.

16:49And I just say shame on us as the fans. Shame on the ex-players. Shame on the board. Shame on the players, shame on the manager, shame on the media, Manchester United. I have Liverpool fans who I don't like Liverpool. Breaking news, I don't like Liverpool. They're our biggest rival, but I respect them. I'd hate to see Liverpool Football Club in the situation that we're in. I'd love to see Liverpool Football Club getting beat 10-0 because that's footballing misery. I'd hate to see Liverpool Football Club in debt with Anfield being knocked down, owners like this. I'd hate it. I'd feel sorry for them because they're being destroyed in the wrong way.

17:27A football rivalry, I want to see Liverpool destroyed on the pitch. I don't want to see, you know, a great institution like Liverpool Football Club dismantled and destroyed. I've got Liverpool fans saying that about us. They don't take any joy. You know, the whole point of a rivalry is you actually want to go toe-to-toe and play football and beat them. I don't want to see Liverpool going out of business or destroyed. I don't. And, and And look, I have no solution because there is no solution. But what I think needs to be said is that there is this quite right obsession in our fan base with the footballing side of things.

18:09How is Carrick still here? Why are we buying shit? Why are we retaining shit? Why don't we get rid of people? Why don't we sack people on the board? Why don't we sell people who are just not good enough? Why don't we buy best in class? Why don't we recruit best in class on the board? Why have we got an ex-player as a manager who's got no experience? Everything makes sense when you understand that as fans, we're obsessed with the football side of things. As owners, they're not. So the only thing Sir Jim Radcliffe and Joel Glazer and Abraham Glazer care about is knocking Old Trafford down and building a new one.

18:48That's all they care about. But you care about what happens against Villa or what happened against Hull. They don't care about that. If we get relegated, if we don't get relegated, if we're in the bottom half of the table, if we're in the Champions League or not, they'll still keep spending money. And that money will help us build a stadium. And then when we built that stadium, imagine on a home day, the percentage of fans that are going to be coming in from Japan or America or India or around the world. and you know what? It'll be their first visit and all around there, there's going to be money opportunities.

19:23We'll have a stake in the cinema. We'll have a stake in the restaurants. We'll have, you know, mega stores. They'll pay£100 to come and watch Man United play Brentford, but there'll be 30 ,000 fans turning up for the first time. So they'll spend£200 in the mega store. They'll spend£150 in the restaurant. They'll go to the... It's just money. It's literally... This stadium, Old Trafford in its current form has a lot of season ticket holders who, at best, go to the local pub, which Man United don't own, then go to the match, then they leave. All Man United make is the season ticket. you knock that Old Trafford down you create a load of a massive area for hospitality and one time visits and those one time visitors they spend more than the ticket they go to the megastore, they go to the restaurant that's owned by United open your fucking eyes up they don't care about the Stretford End they don't care about the Red Army they don't care about lifelong season ticket holders because you don't make them the money.

20:33They want the one-time visitors who destroy the atmosphere. I've been to Old Trafford. I've been to Old Trafford loads. I used to go to Old Trafford a lot more before I did United Stand, but I'm telling you now, when I used to go in the late 90s and the early noughties, it was a very different place to what it's been like in the last 10 years. If you don't put your hands in your pockets, you'll be holding it to take a picture for somebody in front of you who is their first time at Old Trafford. And that's what they want. And that's why when Man United are losing and you need the crowd to get up, you're sometimes surrounded by people who are there for the first time just for a day out.

21:07And they're not used to like the songs. They're not used to like getting up for the team. And that's why you end up with a shit atmosphere. And look, I'm not having a pop at them fans. They've got every right to come over. Of course they have. But this is the commercialization of Man United. This is why there is no atmosphere at Old Trafford. Everything is about making money. Football should come first. But if you're tuning in a little bit late, Abraham Glazer has apparently done an interview or a speech where he's basically said what we've known for years. It doesn't matter what we do on the football pitch.

21:44We still make money. The only way to solve this is to make it so that when we're not successful on the pitch, they lose money. It's the only way they're going to wake up because money is their God. If they're making money when we're fourth from bottom, we're screwed. If they're making money when we're top of the league, we're sorted. The solution is not to throw your toys out the pram. the solution is to find a way where they can only make money if we're winning things. Unfortunately, they're making money from us losing. So what do you do? What do you do?

22:27I bet you're buying Seba's kit for Christmas. I bet I'm not. I'm just not going to chant and scream about it on social media. I'm not. I said it on a, I was doing my career mode the other day. I'm not. I've seen his Christmas list. There is a United kit on there. No. No, I mean, I'm not I'm not telling you to do that. I think people preach of what you should do. Go to a protest, walk out of Old Trafford. Don't buy a kit. Don't buy anything from that sponsor. No, do what you want to do because. we'll be divided anyway. But no, I'm not putting money into that. Not after today. I'm not putting money in when it doesn't sit right with me, does it?

23:10Because what they're basically saying is, we don't care how shit Man United are, you still make us money. Well, okay, I can do something about that. I'm not putting money into you. I'm not giving you my money when you're basically going, fuck off. I don't mind putting money into Man United if that money is going to go towards us being successful. But I'm not putting money into Man United knowing that they won't do anything with it other than service their own debt because they don't care whether we're shit. I'm not funding that. At some point, you know, you've got to make a choice for yourself, haven't you?

23:40But look, I'm not telling people to do it. Terry's brilliant at this. And, you know, I respect Terry, but Terry gets very angry about it on social media. And he'll say, you know, he'll say season ticket holders who don't walk out, you know, they're the problem. And, you know, people who, I don't want to do that. Well, Wayne, what are we doing here today? Filming promo for a new podcast. Me and Mark Oldbridge. What's the podcast called, Wayne? It's all known. What is it called? Oh, that was good. Wayne is a player. Exactly what Man United was all about. But I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything.

24:13What would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's just... We'll be reacting to all the games. Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories. Just have my socks on and my underpants. Good. Hopefully no sackings. Yeah, hopefully. He's gone first on both of them. I think we will have to beat. That's why I was saying you can go first. I did. On the volley. United. Oh, that's perfect. On the pitch, off the pitch. I've got a little goal in my garden. I'd have saved that, to be honest. State United has come in tune. Everyone's grown up enough to make their own choice, but that today in 4K, I knew.

24:52But it's out there now. And I think every United fan, if they make a conscious decision themselves, it will make a difference. But as I said, if we lost to Roma the other night, there probably would be a lot of people turning up for a protest on Sunday. But we beat Roma and people are not getting involved in that because they're too fickle. I remember a content creator Sanctimonious to the absolute elite Thinks his shit don't smell right Man of the people apparently But the 58 announced at the start of last season They were going to do a protest Ahead of the first game of the season Which was Arsenal He did a video basically saying Who do they think they are Now is not the time for it Why are they including Sir Jim Radcliffe in it?

25:49We're trying to sign Belaber and we've got the 58 doing that. Absolutely rinsed them for it, right? Who was right and who was wrong? Certainly not that, Pratt. The 58 were right. Any protest at any time should not be dictated to by, are you about to sign a player or have you just won a game of football? 20 years this has been going on. what does beating Roma have to do with 20 years of this or the last two years of Ineos what does signing a player in January have to do with the last two years or 20 years of the Glazers doesn't how many players have we bought has it changed anything how many times have we beat City or Liverpool has it changed anything people need to realize stop being so fickle if we win against Villa everything's not okay if we go and sign a player for 50 million pounds in January.

26:42Everything's not okay. Nothing has ever changed. We've won cups. We've beaten City. We've beaten Liverpool. We've beaten Arsenal. We've signed players. It's just temporary. The consistent truth is that on a graph, United are going, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. I will support anything that can get this football club back to where it used to be, but it's dead at the moment. It doesn't exist. Man United doesn't exist. I'll have that debate with anybody. It doesn't exist. People might have reasons why they want to pretend it does, but it doesn't exist. We haven't been in a league title race for 13 years.

27:24We don't attract the best players. We don't attract the best managers. We're in debt. There's huge issues behind the scene. In that dressing room, there is huge unprofessionality. There's people literally taking the piss and on the piss. Like, you don't know 75 % of the shit that's going on at that football club. Seriously, you don't. And I don't know 50%. So, but it's a mess. It's an absolute mess. And that's why beating Roma or beating Villa doesn't make any difference. Okay, let's get into some of your comments. Then I want to talk about this interim stuff. Oh, by the way, sorry, just got straight into the show this morning, didn't we?

28:11Thank everybody who's tuning in. It is Thursday today, isn't it? I think it is, yes. We've got a preview live at eight o 'clock, normal two o 'clock show. I was a little bit late today because I went to get my hair cut. It's been a very busy week. I went to get my hair cut and then there was traffic, roadworks, and it was just ridiculous.

28:31Aaron Ferguson says, you need to remember it's a business. I think everybody needs to remember that. I don't think I need to remember that, Aaron. I have a bad feeling that United would be a little bit more than a granddad's watch to the Glazers. Historic, old, valuable, nice to have to be passed down to eat, gather in value through the generations. Yes. Yes, Emily. And look, I don't really have a solution, Emily. I don't really have a solution. I mean, the solution I have is just fantasy. You need a very rich person who cares about Man United to turn up and say, I've got the money, I want to buy it, and I want to buy it now.

29:08And then they need to get in contact with communities like this, the 58, and go, will you support us? And then we support it, and then little by little, more and more of the fan base support it to a point where the new owner is funding the protests and everything else to get them out. But we don't, that's the only thing, I've said this for years, who is that person that's going to step forward and go, before they go public they need to be speaking to fan groups and saying will you support us when we go public? Because what you basically want to do is go I've got the money to buy Man United I'll pay 6 billion just to get it out of these evil villains hands and vast majority of the fan base are behind me and that's why you know but that's the only way I see through it my fear is what Emily says when the glazes die it passes to their kids and passes through their kids my my fear is i'll die while united still owned by this ownership i think it's very real i know people who've died under the glazer ownership sadly you know i've known i know quite a few people that we've had this conversation about the glazes over the last decade and some of them people aren't here now so I don't know that sounds very dramatic but it's true my fear is I will die under a glazer ownership and probably most of you as well and as the song says by the Manic Street Preachers if we tolerate this then our children will be next we'll be next we'll be next they will I don't I don't see it I don't I think building a new stadium for me was like well that's them here for the next 20 years because it's going to take five to ten years to build it and then five to ten years to pay it off.

30:55So they won't start feeling the money from the stadium for maybe 15, 20 years. We're still generating money because of our legacy success. The Glazers will be buried by the time it catches up with us, says Tom. Well, the problem is, Tom, this is a very, very profound statement, right? There won't be as many people choosing to support Man United today as there was 20 years ago. in 2006, the amount of new people coming into football supporting Man United would be a lot higher than now. Why would you support Man United now? Who's the superstar that's going to make you support Man United? Who's the amazing, charismatic coach that's going to make you support Man United?

31:37I'm talking the Ronaldo's, the Rooney's, the Sir Alex Ferguson's, the Mourinho's. We haven't got anyone like that. Is Man United a likeable club? No. Does Man United play good football? No. that there's no reason for Man United to attract new fans anymore. 20 years ago, definitely not now. So what will happen is it will take time. It's a bit like EastEnders on BBC One. When I grew up, in 1986, the Christmas episode of EastEnders had 30 million people watching it. That was more than half of the population of the UK. In the 90s, it would get 20 million people watching it. In 2026, I bet it's, I don't know, I bet it's less than 5 million watching EastEnders.

32:22Why is that? Because the new generation are interested in it. So you end up with the legacy viewer and the legacy viewer starts to die. there's certain radio stations out there that you know their their average demographic is is 52 why because the younger generation isn't listening but the older generation are but as they gradually die their demograph gets older and their viewership gets younger gets older so eastenders in 20 years won't exist because everybody's watching it now will be dead um this is what happened to Manchester United. We have a big, big fan base at the moment. So it's a bit like a population thing, is it?

33:02If you stop having kids, you might have a population of 60 million, but in 20 years, you'll have a population of 40 million. In 40 years, you'll have a population of 30 million. In 50 years, it'll be 20 million. In 100 years, it'll be nothing because there's nothing coming through. So the Glazers are making the money today, but they're destroying us in the future. Man City will end up with a bigger fan base than us in 50 years, unless they get relegated.

33:35Yeah. It will happen. And this is what I mean about the death of Manchester United, because in 50 years time, we won't have the biggest fan base in the world. We could be Preston North End. Preston North End were a massive club 100 years ago. They're not now. But that's a real problem that I don't need to worry about. you don't need to worry about but in 50 to 100 years we'll be a small club we won't have the fan base because there won't be people coming in they won't ball squeezing will continue until morale improves says Copes died 28th of the 6th 2005 now we're just a buried skeleton says Carlo Alex says Mark I'd take relegation at this point but my concern with that is that the debt will happen well what what involvement does Carrick and the players have nothing they're just paid mercenaries they're employed by the Glazers to help them survive they're Glazers if you want to get deep on this shit you're either anti the ownership or you're pro the ownership and if you're a current serving player or manager or coach you are pro the ownership because your job is to keep them in power your job is to maintain the lie you know third place Thank you, Michael.

34:51Champions League money coming in. Keeps the lie going. Are we trying to win the league? No. Carrick knows what he is. I got you into third place. I got you in the Champions League. We're now going to try and win the Champions League or the Premier League. No, no, no, no. That's not what we do here. Your job is to try and get third place again. We're not spending money trying to win things. You need to keep the lie going. You need to go out there and pretend like Omar. See, Michael, did you see the interview from Omar? where he said we're going to win the league this year or next year. That's the sort of shit we want.

35:23That's the sort of bullshit we want to sell because fans will think we might win the league. We know we're not, but season tickets, shirt sales, it gets them spending money, Michael. So no, no, no, no. We're not spending big to try and win the league. If you can get top five again, happy days. It's all a big lie. They're all part of the lie. We should sign Wesley from Romery would be a great left back, says Brits. Barca dominated Villa Villa are going to want to revenge as Judah Laurie Whitwell as an anti-glazer is fun it's about time golden boy Wazza you can't blame Americans for being American well I don't blame Americans Boris Mike Ashley wasn't American look what he did to Newcastle it's not about your passport Hi Mark ownership is a parasitical disgrace they've destroyed United and never cared they ripped our soul away and made us worse each season don't know how but must do everything to get them out.

36:17It says Daniel. Thank you, Daniel. Hope you're doing well. Hi, Mark. I'm behind you. I just want to say United are not back. Players will not turn up against Villa maybe for 20 minutes, but not for 90, says Matt.

36:30Your hair looks the same. It's just shorter, Masrawawi. Glazers don't realise this is England and English football, not some American franchise. Leeds, Forest, Blackburn, some famous and successful clubs went into oblivion when they weren't successful. Past success here can only hope for a while. but to be relevant enough, you need to be successful, says Mojo. And that's a great point as well. Welcome to Members Club, Mr X and Munro. Thanks for getting your badges in. Ruthless Mindsets, it says, if you were the owner of Man United, would you rent an empty stadium while New Trafford is being built on top and incorporating some of Old Trafford?

37:03If I was the owner of Man United, I would not knock down Old Trafford. Call me a fantasist or whatever. But I think, you know, When I go to Amsterdam or Rome or New York, you know what fascinates me? The history. The history, the Statue of Liberty, the Canal Network in Amsterdam, the Coliseum in Rome. The history is what gets me. You know on a Christmas evening when you've had a couple of drinks and you're just thinking back to Christmas's past? It's history. It's legacy. I think knocking Old Trafford down will be the biggest mistake. And I think the fans that applaud it now will realise the mistake in 10, 20 years.

37:52It shouldn't be being knocked down. It's a landmark to what this football club is. I remember watching videos at my granddad's when I was like five, six. and he'd get home and he'd put this video on, the story of Man United, and there'd be old footage of the Busby Babes and the tragedy, and there'd be reporters stood outside Old Trafford in the early 60s, late 50s, all the way through the 70s as you watch the story of Man United and you can still tell it's Old Trafford.

38:32I've seen ex-players who've played there saying it needs to get knocked down. Fine. Fine. I'm not going to chain myself to Old Trafford like people chain themselves to a tree, but I'm not going to sit here and say that I think it's a good idea. Old Trafford should be preserved for generations to come.

38:51I think it's a massive mistake and what pisses me off the most is the guy who stood there yesterday talking about it doesn't matter whether Man United are good on the pitch I make money is the same guy that inherited Old Trafford as one of the best stadiums in the world and let it rust for 20 years so we could build a new one

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40:58Old Trafford should never be being knocked down. And the only reason it is being knocked down is because the glazers purposely let it rot for 20 years. Mark, if you were the owner, I've done that one. Thank you very much.

41:15business-wise they have a brand that generates an absurd amount of money even without on the pitch performance as a business is it fair no it's not but it's facts as you know will building a new stadium put us in into even more debts as josh well we don't even know how we're paying for that yet but you can guarantee you'll be paying it for it in some way shape or form win or lose the glazers always win they disrespect fans yet old trafford stays full shirts keep selling and they keep smiling, sad sight. And look, you know what, John? Sir Jim Radcliffe has got quotes about what great people the Glazers are.

41:47Apparently Michael Carrick has got it in his book, what nice people the Glazers are. I mean, are they getting paid or are they thick? I don't think there's a Man United fan out there that would ever use the words nice and the Glazers. But ex-players have done it. So Jim Radcliffe has done it. Narl Guzman team and Glazers could work. He buys cheap, develops young, creates superstars. I want them gone, but if they are staying, says Kiel.

42:17What if we lose to Villa? Will they panic and sack him? I'll talk about that now, Pistol. Hi, Mark. Given what you said, why then do you think Brighton will attract fans? They don't have any superstars or amazing coaches. Thoughts, please. Well, it's not the Brighton stand, Ryle, but they are a well-run football club. And I don't think they're trying to attract fans. Brighton's not a particular big city in the UK. It doesn't have a big stadium. It's quite remote. It's not easy to get to. So Brighton's not going to end up with, you know, Chelsea level support or anything like that. It will always be in their lane.

42:46Mark, why do we need superstars? Does Como have superstars? We need a group of players who are good individually, but brilliant as a team. I don't know how you've gone to that from the last 45 minutes. I mean, I just love spending my time talking about how Man United dead and has been dead for two decades. And you want to talk about Como. I reckon you and I will live to see United relegated, something unthinkable previously. This ownership has destroyed the club and will continue to do so, says Roblin. The players and the staff should down tools. I reckon you're right. There are fit and proper standards for owners coming in.

43:24But why, aside from ownerships that cheat, do we not have a fit and proper ownership review to make sure that clubs aren't running to the ground, says Emily? Exactly. Exactly. And I tried to mention this when the City stuff was happening. Yes, City have broken the rules and everyone wants them to be relegated. But look at what the Glazers have done to Man United the other way around. Instead of pumping money in, they took all our money out. Oh, that's fine. Ineos has jumped into money-making gravy trains, says Go Zero. Great comments from Ramesh, says Kiel. Thank you very much. Kyle, the pull of history and what United was is what the Glazers are profiteering off, only for them to systematically destroy it to speculate on making more money.

44:03It's incredibly sad, says Patrick Lynch. Somebody said this to me a few years ago, and I'm not going down the road of racing horses, but somebody said basically what the Glazers have done is they've taken the best racehorse in the world in its prime. They haven't actually paid for it. They've got it on a loan. And what they've done with that racehorse is they've run it into the ground, not fed it properly. It's getting older. They've not bred with it. They've not brought any other racehorses in. And what you've ended up with is an old racehorse that's passed its best, that's not been fed properly, and is basically dying.

44:43and they're still running it into the ground and they don't care. They'll keep entering it in races because it's popular. It doesn't win races anymore, but people go, oh, look at that racehorse. It's still here. Remember when it used to win races? I love this one. It's such a nostalgic racehorse. It doesn't win, but they still keep using it and eventually it will die and there's nothing coming in behind it. There's no contingency plan. They just bought the racehorse in its prime and kept using it and using it and using it, feeding it on shit, letting it turn up to the point where it dies because they're just milking it.

45:16It's just make as much money of it as you can. It's caught, basically, it's like buying yourself a Ferrari, never getting it serviced, showing off with it for your mates. And then when it breaks down, just get rid of it. There's no contingency plan. It's just pure make money out of it while you can. There's nothing they're doing that's going to make it better again. Saying that foreign fans make a shitty atmosphere Is like saying that Do the same Don't forget, divide the fans, cheers Yeah, I didn't say that Susie And So what you're saying Sorry, ex-Notting, why don't you just say Forrest fan You know, Carragher's done it I mean, it's been going on for 10 years It was made up by somebody who's on a rival channel And a total lie Just say that I didn't say that foreign fans make a shitty atmosphere the United Stand has been built on worldwide fans from day one those foreign fans that you're taking the piss out of get up at three o 'clock in the morning to watch shit so there is you're in completely the wrong place to try and divide a worldwide fan base what I said was is that when you get fans who are just turning up for their first game they're happy to be there they don't know the songs they don't know the atmosphere they're happy to be there and it dilutes the atmosphere because they're tourist fans.

46:44I class myself as a tourist fan now. I don't go as much as I used to go. I'm lucky if I go once or twice a season. So I'm a tourist fan. What I'm saying is you don't get the same atmosphere when you've got season ticket holders turning up for every home game. You don't get that. And everybody's got the right to go. But when you make up your stadium, majority of those fans, You won't get the atmosphere. Here in Chicago, we're having similar problems with the Bears stadium owners want to move for money and greed. But on average, we want the stadium fixed and the infrastructure around the stadium upgraded.

47:20It's dark in thoughts. Thank you very much.

47:25Let me just talk to you about this as well. That's just come in as well. I mean, most of the show has been spent on important things. However, Sky Sports have come out this morning basically saying that Manchester United are unlikely to appoint another interim head coach if they decide to replace Michael Carrick in the coming weeks. Well, there's very few things to be positive about this morning. However, I do agree with that in the sense that we can't appoint another industry. I mean, if Carrick goes or stays, I don't know. But if Carrick goes, you can't put another interim in. One thing I will criticise this fan base about, because I said it in January.

48:22I said in January, I don't want an interim. And they gave it to Carrick. And I said, I do not want Carrick because he'll win a few games and people will say, give him the job. And people were like, I'll stop moaning. We won't do that. It'll be a best-in-class recruitment. And then in May, they gave him the job. I just don't trust this fan base not to say, give it to the interim. it's human nature if an interim comes in and wins a few games people will say I'll just give it to him we can't do that again we can't Oli was a massive mistake and Carrick's been an even bigger mistake you cannot give it to an interim you've got to have somebody lined up so yeah I wouldn't do that do you think Carrick's going to get sacked?

49:03no well I don't think the intention I mean watch last night's video I don't think the intention and it's to sack Carrick, but it appears to me that the only way they'll sack him is if he loses to Villa. I can't believe that Aston Villa, in 90 minutes, decides a manager's future when you've got nine months to decide his future. You look at what happened in January to now. Look, as I said before, if I was Sir Jim Radcliffe, I'd be sat in that boardroom and I'd say, look, we're starting 40 years. we did buy him some players in the summer that apparently were going to make the midfield better were not better his team selections are strange his style of football is not good he's not the most charismatic coach he's not the most inspiring coach and the results have been dreadful when I go back to the positives of January to May the results were good but how much of that was driven by one game a week players wanting to go to the World Cup Bruno having an amazing season counter-attacking football I've got enough evidence for me whatever happens against Villa go and get me this manager that's what I would do I don't need to watch Villa to figure out I've got nine months of evidence and you might flip it the other way and go I don't want to spend any money I believe he can turn it around so if we lose to Villa I'm going to keep him I respect that But Villa should not be the result that decides the future.

50:37We should already know what that is. But it seems to me like we don't, which is a strange one. I just realised it's bonfire night. Halloween's becoming bigger in the UK than bonfire night, Guy Fawkes Day. I've really not noticed anything about it. Not even been loads of fireworks going off. But Halloween was absolutely massive this year. if you're not from the UK you won't know about it I mean I lived in Ireland and bonfire night wasn't a thing November the 5th remember remember the 5th of November I used to love it growing up go to a big bonfire fireworks mushy peas with mint sauce on hot dogs etc

51:20but yeah it's not really been a big thing this year it's all about the Houses of Parliament and Guy Fawkes trying to blow them up in the gunpowder plot which I think would have blown the king up as well because i think he was there that day and obviously it got found out they found all the gunpowder under the houses of parliament um all the people involved were basically hung drawn and quartered and uh the bond the fireworks represent the gunpowder and used to throw a dummy of guy fawkes onto the fire as well um history lesson there you go Penny for the guy, exactly But yeah Give it 50 years It won't even exist, will it?

52:04This is what I mean There's a lot of things that We think are like traditional That won't be traditional And Man United, I think are going to end up being one of them things All my life, Man United's been a massive club Even in the 80s When we weren't very good Man United was still a massive club Because I suppose in the 80s was only 20 years from the 60s. But we've got no divine rights. Who do you trust? Me, who's loved football all my life and loved Man United, or Avram Glazer, who knows nothing about football. So Avram Glazer says that Man United can make money whilst not being good at football.

52:44I think that's true now. I don't think it's true in 20 years. I agree with that comment before. Look at Leeds, look at Huddersfield, look at Preston North End, look at Newcastle, big clubs can disappear. And they will disappear because you'll turn the tap off of your fan base and then you're fucked. And I think the tap of our fan base has been turned off for a long time. I think most of our fans are actually legacy fans. Be interesting when the stadium opens, actually. If the stadium opens in five, ten years time and it's 100 ,000 and they want, you know, people to come in from all around the world to watch Man United but were not very good they won't come they won't come but they think they will they think that there's this endless resource of people that will support Man United we've not been good for 13 years in 10 years we won't have won the league for nearly 25 years that's mad why would people be coming in their droves and their thousands to Manchester to watch Man United play.

53:52I don't think they will. I don't think they will. I think they've got their business model completely wrong.

54:00Also, I think football's changing. I was talking to somebody today when I was having a haircut and they were basically saying there's too much football. There is too much football. Football's becoming saturated. I think football, I think Man United are fucked, but I think football itself is going to change over the next decade. There's too much of it. And also, the younger generation have a shorter attention span. There's too many 90-minute games for everybody to consume. I think football's going to change massively, and United will be a big loser in that, because they're just not modern. Everyone needs to read the world's biggest cash machine.

54:46I've read it. It's very good.

54:52Manchester United The Glazers And the Struggle For Football's Soul It is a good book It is a good read Thank you so much Everybody for watching I am with you tonight At 8 o 'clock For a preview of the Villa game Back to talking about football But the bigger picture Is the bigger picture You ignore it Or you take it on board It's always been there But the headline is We're fourth from bottom But they're still making Record profits So they're sat there going, don't care about that. Care about this. We're sat there going, this is disgraceful. They're sat there going, oh yeah, whatever. Counting the cash.

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