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1:43Hello, everybody. Good morning. Welcome to the United Stands. I'm Art Goldbridge live with your latest Manchester United news. We're talking JJ Gabriel back at Manchester United. What's the latest around that? Bruno Fernandes, injury boost. he played for Portugal last night. Does that mean he's fully fit or is he playing with an injury? And is that good for Manchester United? Also, Sir Alex Ferguson has done or has, I think he might have a new book coming out, but gave a very big transfer warning in his latest sort of interview, I suppose, and a guide on how to use the youth at Manchester United.

2:15It's almost like Sir Alex Ferguson gave the blueprint on how to be successful and Man United decide to ignore it. We'll talk about that as well. A little bit about the City stuff and Barada, I suppose. I did see something from Mark Ogden on the Nicky Butte and Paul Scholes podcast the other day about how Man United might prosper now because City are going to get taken out of the equation and it was City who sort of made Man United bad. What a load of crap. I mean, it was something like Man United won the Champions League in 2008. Man City started spending in 2009. Is that a coincidence that Man United haven't really been very good?

2:50Well, no, it's because Man City showed some ambition and United showed no ambition and had shit owners. I mean, you can't just go, oh, someone else is trying and that's why we're not doing very well anymore. But we can delve into that, I suppose. But look, I want to start off with JJ because I think there's been a lot spoken about Man City and this is the United stand. And I want to talk about United because ultimately the Man City thing could go on for months. It could go on for years. And as much as it's filled quite a long international break, it shouldn't distract from the fact that we've had our worst ever start to a Premier League season.

3:22We're playing bad football. The squad looks weak, the board looks incompetent, and the ownership looks clueless. So whatever's going on at Man City, we've still got our own problems to solve. Now, one of the big things that we've had over the last few weeks is this JJ Gabriel story. 15-year-old prodigy, apparently going to be one of the greatest players that's ever played the game, basically left Manchester United saying he doesn't want to play here anymore. It's gone a little bit quiet. What's going on? Well, the story came in last night from an account that JJ Gabriela appears to be softening his stance towards Manchester United while his future remains unresolved.

3:58After previously deleting club related content from Instagram, the 15 year old has now restored several United posts, including his under 18 player of the season award. Now, this came out from an account that's got, let me just tell you this, 178 followers and it's had 1.1 million interactions on X. Um, yeah, I mean, look, he's got, sorry, he's got 264 followers. Um, and this is after the 1.1 million interactions on the tweet. Bullshit. Um, I mean, look, it just shows you how anybody can post a load of crap and people jump on it because they want that sort of news. Um, if you look at JJ's Instagram, there's nothing about United on there at all.

4:42Um, so I did a little bit of digging on this because I thought, well, you know what? We are the United stand. We have got good connections. We are the biggest man United community in the world. We get asked to talk about this, that and everything. So, you know, whether this is true or not, let's try and find out whether it's true. The situation with JJ at the moment, and it's very secretive, like the club are just saying, look, as far as we're concerned, he's still a United player. I'm waiting to see what happens with that. You get nothing from him or his agents or anything like that, which is understandable because let's remember he's still a minor.

5:12And Barcelona are basically saying they don't do these sort of things. Madrid are having a little look. So there is no change in relation to JJ. He's still a Man United player, but is he looking to come back to Manchester United? There's absolutely nothing from his side that anything has changed there that he wants to come back. Barcelona, I think Deco said something about they're not that type of club that do that sort of thing. You know, basically poach youngsters. It's probably not a very good look, really. Real Madrid have stayed very, very quiet about it. What we know from decent sources is that he's in Spain training individually.

5:47That's basically the rumour, that he's out in Spain training individually. What we also know is that October the 6th is a big date. Third, fourth, fifth, Tuesday, isn't it? I'm just thinking October the 5th is a big date, but that's football as well. But you'll see all that on Monday. So October the 6th on Tuesday is a big date because he if he has a passport outside of the UK, which I think he does through Irish heritage, he can potentially get out of his contract and sign for somebody else. And I think that next Tuesday is probably going to be the day where we find out whether that happens, obviously.

6:33I sort of look at this I mean look I suppose it's the old poll time isn't it apparently I heard someone just said Barcelona are cheats I heard something about Real Madrid wanting Barcelona done for something now they've probably seen what's happened to Man City would you take JJ back that's what I'm going to ask this morning got a brilliant interview with Paul not Paul Ince Sir Alex Ferguson to react to talking about how you work in the transfer market as well and how United failed. We'll talk about that in a minute. Would you take JJ back? Technically, you're not taking him back anyway because he's already a Man United player, but would you take him back?

7:11Look, I think he leaves United. I think the people around him, because I cannot believe for one second, as a father of a child that's not very far off 15 and having had two children who'd been 15 and are now older than that, there's just no way 15-year-olds are running their careers. So let's take JJ out of the equation here. This is the people around him. These people will be agents, adults, guardians, parents, whatever. I don't think they've taken this decision lightly and I don't think they come back because I spoke to somebody about this two weeks ago and they basically said, the only way you solve this problem is by, and it wasn't Rooney.

8:07People will say it's Rooney. It's not Rooney. The only way you solve this problem is by incentivization, i.e. money and promises. So if this was Real Madrid, they would probably, if they didn't want to lose the player, say, OK, we're going to give you more money and we're going to give you a defined pathway into the first team over the next 12 months where you're going to get game time. What I was told two weeks ago is United will not do that. They won't do that for numerous reasons. One, they can't really afford to do it. And two, they just won't do that. So the only way that JJ comes back is if everyone around him says we've made a mistake.

8:48Let's go back. or if United give some incentives, which they won't do. So I think United are just going to sit there and say, we tried everything, which they didn't, and go, you know, we can't do much more, and I think he will end up leaving. I think that's what's going to happen. So I think it's false news in short. I don't think he's going to come back. I also think that one of the big things, and I don't think I said it at the time, and Carrick's alluded to it and many of you have alluded to it is he's 15. He's a kid. And the world is a unforgiving place. You make a mistake and a lot of people don't want to let you off that mistake.

9:35I mean, you look at Rashford. There's a lot of people don't like Rashford at United. I don't need to name names. There's a lot of people that don't like Rashford at United. So, and that's happened with many other players. I don't think it's the environment for him anymore. Can I just put my hand up and say, I don't think many people are going to appreciate me saying this. I think the environment for Manchester United is not the right environment for JJ now because once you've left and refused to train, you will be labelled, wrongly in my opinion, by the press, by certain people in the media and a large swathe of our fan base as arrogant.

10:18Billy Big bollocks. You know, too big for your own shoes. And I think the minute this happened, that was the end. I just don't see a scenario where he can come back now. That's not Man United's fault. That's not our fault. That's what happens when you make that type of decision. It's the equivalent of... I mean, when you think about it, it's the equivalent of a Man United first team player It's like what Ronaldo's done with Portugal, basically. That's what it is. I mean, I don't want to talk about Ronaldo and Portugal, but it's what Ronaldo's done with Portugal. It's like, I'm not being on the bench.

10:53You didn't apologise in the press conference. You've broken your promises. I'm off. Now, when you're Cristiano Ronaldo, you still look a little bit arrogant and spoiled for doing that. But you're Cristiano Ronaldo. When you do that as a 15-year-old, you know, it's a lot of pressure. A lot of pressure. and you know what the media is like in this country. Personally, if he came back to Man United, I'd be over the moon. I'd be like, protect him. He's a kid. He could be a superstar at Man United. Get your head down. Get back to work. I know this fan base. They will... I don't think you need to be forgiven anyway, but I think if you came back, worked hard, fulfilled your talent, people would forget this very, very quickly in the fan base.

11:40I'm not so sure the media do. I'm not so sure certain people do. And it just puts a load of pressure. And I don't know who's at fault for what's happened with JJ, but realistically, the people around him need to settle it down. They need to. And I actually think the best place for him now is somewhere new where they settle it down, whether that is PSG, Real Madrid, Arsenal, wherever. He needs to go into a club, focus on his career and not have all this noise. It's really, really irresponsible what's happened to him in the fact that he's 15 coming up for 16. Huge development years, huge talent, and you're disrupting him and making a load of noise around him.

12:23It's speculative to say it's parents, it's agents, it's brands. I don't know what it is, but there are people around him that can protect him and they need to take him out of the spotlight. You know, they need to focus on his career. I don't think Man United is going to be that place for him now because I think they fucked it, basically. And maybe they feel they've done it for the right reason, but I don't see a way back. I'd love him to come back. I think he's going to be a fantastic player and I hope he's going to be a fantastic player and I hope he ends up playing for England and I'd love to have him back at Manchester United.

12:54But I don't see a way back. I think the situation is horrific and I think it's an example of how not to manage a talent's career. I don't, you know, I think it's incredible that whoever's responsible and maybe the club's responsible. I don't know. I don't know. The club say they're not. There's a lot of good behaviour going on around him and from the club around the fact that he's 15. And I think that's really important. But I would argue with anybody that wants to pile on to a 15 year old. It's ridiculous. It's disgusting. However, there's a very talented player there who was a Man United player a month ago, who is now not training with Man United.

13:34We are allowed to talk about what's gone wrong there and whoever has caused that, I think it's massively irresponsible. You know, there's laws in place around all sorts of things for people under 16 and this lad's under 16 and I just think it's disgusting that, you know, he's been put in the spotlight that much. Somebody wasn't thinking when they did that or if they were thinking, they were thinking about the wrong things because the pressure you're putting on a kid is the last thing you do. It's the last thing you want to do when you've got talent. You do not want to put that level of pressure on them.

14:09So look, I think he'll leave United. I think October the 6th is going to be really interesting to see. And I agree with Yoke. This story never should have come out in the first place and whoever's responsible for it, you know, it's disgusting. But look, not everybody's got the best interests of the people that, you know, how many Hollywood stories are there about Macaulay Culkin, Britney Spears, these young talents with prats around them. So look, I'm not saying United are better off without JJ. Absolutely not. But I think for his own development, I think United's probably a burnt bridge now. And I hope he can become the player he could have been at Man United.

14:49But it's a fucking mess. And I don't think anybody's brave enough to say that, but it's a mess. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, but the situation is a mess and it never should have happened in the first place. He's a kid and it never should happen in the first place. You're not protecting him. You've not got the best interests of him at all. Because if you've got the best interests of somebody, you don't have them publicly being spoken about for a month with people piling in on him as well. So no, I don't think it's been handled very well at all. But what we need to do is get to a point of conclusion very, very quickly.

15:21And, you know, Man United are not a big superstar team anymore. We're not. So maybe we're not the right place for him. and we can move on without him, but that's what we need to do. We need to move on. We definitely do. Let me know your thoughts on that one. Let me talk to you very, very quickly. A few people talking about Barada in the show this morning. Look, people are doing videos on Barada. People are, you know, mocking Barada, this, that and the other. As I keep saying to you, and I'll always be honest with you, like, you get sued for that. Oh, Omar Barada, you know, Barada must have known, Barada this, Barada that.

15:56You can get sued for that. Like he's not involved. Man United keep saying it. They've got no concerns. There is no mention of his name in anything that's come out from Man City yet in this case. So I think people just with the broader stuff just need to be a little bit careful of the world you live in. I know social media allows you to think that you can just type whatever you bloody like, but you can't. Like I find the broader stuff just speculatively ridiculous because we don't have anything to say that he's involved. And people keep saying, oh, why don't you call it out? Why don't you call it out?

16:32Because there's nothing to call out. Like if in the few, it's a bit like Pep Guardiola. Look, I think Pep Guardiola's career is tainted. 10 years ago, I was saying there's something dodgy going on with Man City. And I saw something today. Man United, when we won the Champions League in 2008, we were sponsored by AIG. And I think our deal was about 20 million a year. A year later, Man City, who'd never won a Champions League, never won a Premier League, had Etihad Airways at 40 million. Now, why do you need email leaks to figure that out? This is what you and I and everybody else in football was talking about.

17:11How the fuck are they getting inflated brand deals from people associated with their club and the Premier League aren't doing anything about it? They don't have the fan base and they don't have the success. but they're getting bigger brand deals than Man United and Liverpool who are winning things. So I think for me, I look at it and I go, that is where I think this has all gone really, really wrong. But Pep Guardiola came in 10 years ago and decided to ignore all that. I'm sorry, I just don't respect Pep at all anymore. I don't respect him as a coach, I don't respect him as a manager. I think he's associated with something that was clearly, clearly dodgy.

17:51Now, if you want to do that with Barada, that's up to you. Do you believe he didn't know anything was going on? Well, you can make that opinion, but you can't start saying he did. And I can't start saying he did with Pep. I can just say he worked for an organisation that was very, very clearly not doing things correct. It just didn't make any sense. On Barada, I would sack him because I think he's a crap CEO. Now, I can say that without litigation. I think he's a crap CEO. I think since he came in, he's been crap. I think he talks crap about winning the title next year. I think the money that's been wasted on crap managers is ridiculous.

18:37I think the summer transfer window was crap. I think the season ticket fiasco was crap. I think sacking half the workforce was atrocious. So I just don't think he's a very good CEO. So I'd sack him for that. I don't really care about what happened with Man City. and Jason Wilcox the same. I mean, I don't know why people get offended by this. Like, you're not Man United fans either. You're not, you know, if it was Nicky Butt as CEO and Paul Scholes as director of football, I might feel a little bit of guilt like I did with Oli, but you're not Man United fans. You're just business people who've been appointed to do a job and you're not very good at it.

19:12Goodbye. If you get someone to come round your house and cut your garden and you get home from work and half the garden's cut and half of it's long, you're going to get a new gardener, aren't you? Or you're going to say, if you don't do it right next time. So I don't get this weakness around, you can't say they're crap at their job. But they are. They're crap at their job. They're crap at the job. And as I said to you yesterday, if you appoint Man City COO because Man City have been really successful and you think they must be best in class, and then it comes out that Man City cheated, they can't be best in class anymore can they because they were the best by cheating so I just think I'd get rid of Wilcox and Barada tomorrow because I just don't think they're very good at the job simple as but you can't go around saying he's guilty you can't go around saying that there's no evidence for that and Man United have said numerous times that they're very happy with their due diligence on it so Bruno let's talk about Bruno and then we're going to talk about Sir Alex could have killed him Bruno Fernandes no that is coffee by the way just I was out last night though I didn't sorry no 8 o 'clock show last night no 8 o 'clock show last night but I we went out I booked it as a surprise and then I forgot to tell all you lot went out for my daughter's birthday last night so in keeping that a surprise from everybody I didn't even tell you so I didn't do an 8 o 'clock show but my career mode is back at 5 o 'clock tonight on my channel and we've got one of these to give away.

20:50FC 27. I've got a code to give away tonight on that. So, career mode tonight at five o 'clock. Let me talk to you about Bruno. So, what's the Sir Alex stuff? Basically talking about transfers and how you need to operate in transfers and how you need to use youth. It's incredible that Man United have got the greatest manager of all time and he was at Man United and he still turns up to Man United games and nobody looks at why he was successful. I mean, United's policy under Ineos and the Glazers is completely opposite to the policy that Sir Alex Ferguson used to build Manchester United. But we'll come to that in a minute.

21:33Bruno Fernandes played for Portugal last night. Rasmus was on a mad one, pushing their Portuguese manager and doing the Thu celebration in tribute to Ronaldo. I think he actually did shove the Portuguese manager in retaliation to how he treated Ronaldo. I mean, the world. Look, Ronaldo fans are probably, you know, loving that. But Rasmus, that manager is quite old, you know. It did look a little bit like bullying. But no, Rasmus scored, but they lost 4-2. Bruno played. I think he got man of the match. He got, you know, data dean. Well, Mark, he got 42 assists in one game. He scored nine goals.

22:20His pass completion was 122 % and he ran a marathon. And that was all before halftime. No, he did have a good game, Bruno, last night against Denmark in a 4-2 win in the Nations League. So Bruno Fernandes was back. This is good news for Manchester United, especially considering the Portuguese manager left him out of the last game because of a knock that he'd had for the last few weeks. look I think with Bruno Fernandes the guy is a robot and this is to his credit but I will repeat what I said again for the life of me do not understand why a player who is injured is on international duty just because he wants to be and I suppose by getting man of the match against Denmark he proves the point as to why he should be there but as a manager I would be saying Bruno you literally missed the last game because you've got a knock and you're only playing because you want to play, I mean, realistically, at some point, you've got to put your body first and you've got to put your club first.

23:27So I'm still not convinced Bruno's fully fit, but him playing last night and playing well is a bonus because I don't think he's been playing very well for Man United recently. But it worries me, to be honest with you. I saw a lot of people last night saying, Bruno's back, Bruno's back. I don't think he is back. I think he's the sort of player that can play well with an injury, but I don't think he's back. I think he's carrying something and we can't be in that position. You know, we're already waiting to see what's going on with Mainu and Rashford because, you know, I don't tell us anything. But I'd have been a lot happier if Bruno had been.

24:03I think Bruno's addicted to football, as Gaz United says completely. And that's absolutely fine. But this is where man management comes in. Like, I don't think he should be on that international break. I really don't because there's just no respite. I was looking at the fixtures when we come back and it's literally a game midweek, a game midweek, a game. Then I think we get a midweek off, then a game midweek, a game. And then another international break where he plays another two games. So it's not, I think like I remember Sir Alex sending Rooney off on holiday once around December time.

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26:22And this was however many years ago, just to give him a little bit of break. And I think Bruno needs a bit of a break because whilst he's carrying an injury, like TF1 says, he's also carrying Man United's side as well. It's alright for Portugal, isn't it? You're surrounded by good players. But at Man United, he's really important to us. But I don't think you're ever going to get Bruno to slow down. In many ways, it's a compliment to him that he will just keep playing no matter what. But I am worried. I am worried about our squad. I think we're so vulnerable. I really do. And I think that's a problem.

26:59Let me talk about Sir Alex Ferguson's comments. So look, the one that caught out to me, he did talk about the youth, but the one that really got me was, I think in light of what's gone wrong in the summer transfer window, how unambitious we are in the transfer windows these days, what we've just heard about Man City. Sir Alex Ferguson, I think it's, I feel like I need to do him some credit here, Sir Alex Ferguson, in relation to why he's doing this interview. So let me just have a quick look.

27:33The Scott has a new book coming out, Games of My Life. It tells the stories of 21 defining matches in his playing and managerial career, revealing fresh insights into his journeys from working class Glasgow to dominate the English game and Europe as United boss. So yeah, he's got a new book called Get Games of My Life coming out. So that's why he's doing the interviews. Essentially, he spoke about this and I thought this really sort of, I was like, I've got to bring this in because I remember this and I remember this summer very, very well. It was the summer of 1995. Man United missed out on a double.

28:06We actually interviewed a player, Demi and Wayne a few weeks ago about that era because they were playing at that time. So 94, we won the double. 95, we should have won the double, but we lost the FA Cup final to Everton and we lost on the final day. So we drew to West Ham, Blackburn lost to Liverpool, but if we'd won, we'd have won the league. So we didn't, we lost it on the final day. People talk about Aguero. That now probably is 95 final day, if you're old enough to remember, is now probably our new Aguero because the Aguero one's cheating. It doesn't matter. But that was horrible, 95, because I remember, I think I had it on...

28:46I can't remember whether... I don't know how Sky did it because it was the final day. I think they had the Liverpool-Blackburn game on, but I think technology wasn't good enough then that you could watch two or three games at the same time. So I think they just kept doing... I can't remember how they did it, but I remember Andy Cole missed a few chances. We drew, Blackburn lost, but they ended up winning the league anyway. So we didn't win anything that year but we could have won the double. So in the summary, got rid of Kanchelskis, Hughes and Ince and then the start of the following season was when we lost to Villa first game of the season and Alan Hansen said you can't win anything with kids.

29:24So this is what he said about selling Paul Ince. He said,

29:30Paul was a tremendous footballer.

29:39And then there's no doubt about that. He had incredible ability, but I just had that feeling that he just got carried away a bit at the time. We then got this offer from Inter Milan and I'm trying to weigh up one thing against the other. And then I look at Paul Scholes and I said, should we? And Milan's offer went from 7 million to 7.5 million. And I said, do it. And he says, this was the line for me. That's what your job is as a manager. You have to make hard decisions and some decisions don't suit everyone. Now, if I was Michael Carrick, I would take that quote and stick it on my fucking wall and I'd read it every bloody day.

30:19That's what your job is as a manager. You have to make hard decisions and some decisions don't suit everyone. And I think in a sentence, because a lot of you won't be old enough to remember, that encapsulates Sir Alex Ferguson. As a manager, you've got to make the hard decisions and those decisions won't please everyone. I think Carrick's a pleaser. I think he makes easy decisions that please the people that matter. And I think Sir Alex Ferguson was the opposite. And I think that Beckham, Stam, Van Nistelrooy, Ince, Hughes, the list went on and on. The ruthless, and Rooney, he was going to get rid of Rooney.

31:02if he hadn't retired, Rooney was going to go that year, not stay for another three years. So he was always very good at that. And we're rubbish at that now. And I think that that's like, to me, that's one of the big issues that United have had under this ownership for a very long time. We don't make the big decisions. We keep hold of people for too long. And I was thinking about this in the modern day. What would Sir Alex Ferguson do? Well, he wouldn't have a fucking squad like this in the first place anyway. But imagine if Sir Alex Ferguson was in charge now. Maguire would have been gone in the summer because that's a hard decision and he would have made it.

31:39Luke Shaw wouldn't still be here. Absolutely not. These players would be gone. Whether they've done well for him or not, they would be gone because they're past the sell-by date. And Sir Alex Ferguson was brilliant at getting rid of those types of players, 100%. Would he sell Bruno Fernandes? I don't think he would. I don't think Bruno would be the sort of player that would go. but hard decisions would be made. Deleuwe wouldn't be here. Deleuwe would be gone as well. Mason Mount would be gone. Those types of players, these hanger-on players that stay around for years that actually aren't really that good would be gone.

32:11They would be 100 % gone. I mean, Sir Alex Ferguson would consider getting rid of an Mbumo if the offer was right. Sir Alex Ferguson would get rid of a... I'm trying to think, we haven't got that many good players. Martinez, if he thought the offer was right. I mean, you have to live the time through Sir Alex, but you'd be there in the summer going, Yap, Stam's one of our best centre-backs. Then he's off to Lazio and you go, he's done it again. He's only gone and done it again. He's gone and got rid of one of our best players again. Oh, Van Niseroen is one of our best. Oh, he's sold him. David Beckham, he's gone.

32:47Why is Beckham going? He's my favourite player. He's still in his prime. No, he's gone. So look, that world doesn't exist around Man United anymore. And even said in the book, it even says this. It says this, look.

33:05On the table are letters addressed to Sir Alex from disgruntled United fans amid speculation he was about to sell midfielder Paul Ince to Inter Milan in the summer. One reads, don't sell Ince to Inter or you'll regret it. Another reads, every red is disgusted with you. So Sir Alex was getting letters from fans saying, don't sell this player. And he still did it. And that's what I mean. The big decisions aren't just upsetting players. They're upsetting fans as well, knowing what's right for Manchester United. And Sir Alex Ferguson was absolutely brilliant at that. I just find it astounding that we have this blueprint on how to be successful.

33:44And we completely ignore it. You know, he turns up for games and sits in the stands and is a stark reminder of how to be successful. And we completely and utterly ignore it. Every bloody time. And it wasn't just upsetting players, it was upsetting fans. And it almost feels like a different world, really. But I remember it very vividly. Like when Beckham went, Ronaldo was a bit different because Sir Alex wanted to keep him and Ronaldo wanted to go. but the players he got rid of ruthlessly I mean they weren't Deleuze they weren't sure they were like proper first team good players and he was the master at that but it worked and in fairness I don't want to talk about City but alright they were using a cheat code but this isn't really about cheating how many times did Pep Guardiola move players on like De Bruyne David Silva you know moving players on at the right time so that you can still get a bit of money for them but you know they're going to drop off in the next year or two that's what proper managers do and I just don't think we've got the board ownership or coach that behaves like this and we will never be successful until we do like you have to make hard decisions and I think there's United's become to me like a bloody charity it's all about making everybody happy there's too many players that are too comfortable at that football club because they're popular in the dressing room or that, you know, you don't want to upset them.

35:16It's almost like, I put it like this, when Sir Alex Ferguson was in charge, you had people like Paul Ince, who was one of the best midfielders in England at the time. You've got people like David Beckham, who's one of the best players England's ever produced. You've got Ruud van Nisseroy, who's one of the best strikers in the game at the time we had him. You've got Yap Stam, who's one of the best centre-backs in the world when we had him. And he kicked them all out. he kicked them all out of Man United and they were literally some of the best players in the world in their position and he kicked them out and we went on to win things but wow we had a manager that was kicking players out of the club who were the best in their position in the world right we've now got a manager and an ownership that is scared to remove players who aren't even the best in the top 10 in the league in their position but they have the power to be, you know, influential.

36:10No wonder the club's on its arse. If you can get rid of a Paul Ince and a David Beckham and not lose the dressing room, but you can't get rid of a Luke Shaw or whoever else because you might lose the dressing room. No wonder, this is why we're in a problem. The players now have too much power and they're not good enough. The players then were good enough and had no power. That comes down to leadership and that's where this football club's gone wrong. We've become too much of a bloody circus, as we know. But he also spoke about the youth, and I thought this was really interesting as well, because I think people get hung up on the youth at Man United, but they forget how it works.

36:48So he was talking about the youth, and he said, look, a lot of them had great abilities, and they had the desire. I put Beckham out on loan in 1995, and he thought I was trying to get rid of him, which was not true. David was the last to really develop because of his physique. Although he grew to six foot, he was small and thin as a young kid. And he said, but, you know, it's about developing young players in the right way. Some players develop later. So Beckham went on loan into, I think it was the equivalent of League One at Preston to, you know, get used to physicality and stuff like that. Youth is not about throwing a player into the team like you throw a bloody kid who can't swim into the deep end and see if they can swim.

37:33You know, that's not how you teach people to swim It's not how you two teach footballers that are talented to become good at Manchester United. You have to feed them into a team that's got leaders and you have to take them in and take them out. You don't just throw them in. It's very rare that a player gets thrown in and does well. I mean, Ryan Giggs is the exception. So he said, look, I did exactly the same with this when I was in charge of St. Mirren and Aberdeen and had belief in young people, because if you give them an opportunity, there are two things that happen. They become real stars and they remain loyal to you as a manager, which I think is very interesting, isn't it?

38:08If you look after them, they won't forget that. And how many young players... It got me thinking about Rashford, you know. It got me thinking about Rashford because Rashford got thrown in at the deep end with United and did really, really well. But Rashford's loyalty and relationship with Manchester United isn't where it should be through no fault of his own. Whereas you listen to even Beckham, who got kicked out of Man United technically, Neville, Scholes, Butts, Giggs. They worship Sir Alex Ferguson. And it's not just because they won things. It's because he nurtured them, looked after them.

38:43And if Rashford had been around then, he'd probably feel the same. So again, it comes down to how we treat our younger players. Under Sir Alex, we develop them, we nurture them, we look after them. currently it's oh have a go you're not that good change the manager it's just the environment at Man United is wrong in so many ways but we've said this before I don't like using the word blue at the moment for obvious reasons but Sir Alex Ferguson like other clubs look at Sir Alex Ferguson and use him as the blueprint for their success I think there's echoes of what Klopp's done in his career between what Sir Alex Ferguson did and I've said that many times before.

39:27Man City, I think, tried to copy Man United without the cheating but in a lot of things they've done, their youth academy is very good, getting rid of players at the right time, mixing it with different types of talent. The one club that's not followed the Sir Alex Ferguson blueprint over the last decade is the fucking club that he turns up and watches every week. So many teams around Europe and in the Premier League that follow the Sir Alex Ferguson blueprint and not us. And it's absolutely mad. It's mad to me because that's what we need. But the mic drop, I suppose, is, and this will upset the Glazerites.

40:11We spoke about this when Amirim got sacked. Man United made it very, very clear they wanted a coach, not a manager. Well, the blueprint for success is a manager. Everything Sir Alex Ferguson said about youth, making the hard decisions. Remember what I said? He said, being a good manager, and I want to read this verbatim. He said this. That's what your job is as a manager. You have to make hard decisions and some decisions don't suit everybody. And he's talking about the decision to sell Paul Ince. He's talking about the shit he was getting from some fans for doing that. We've got a head coach.

40:59We can't replicate our success from the past because Sir Alex Ferguson's quote exposes the problem with today. As a manager, you've got to make hard decisions. We don't have a manager. We have a head coach. Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't work under this current regime. That's the scary thing. If we brought Sir Alex Ferguson down from Aberdeen now, he wouldn't be here and he wouldn't work because Wilcox, Barada, Favell and Sir Jim would eat him alive because they'd make him a head coach with no power and they wouldn't fucking listen to him. So hold that thought. United's current structure doesn't suit success.

41:41even if the next Sir Alex Ferguson came along he wouldn't suit this club because it's not set up for it we're set up for a head coach yes man we're not set up for a manager who makes big decisions and hard decisions imagine if Carrick was the next Sir Alex Ferguson and he knocked on the door and said get rid of Bruno well you haven't got the power to do that let's see what Favall and Jason think you know so remember the past is the blueprint the present is a locked door to that. We don't have the structure because we want a head coach, yes man, that incompetent people don't get challenged by. We have incompetent CEO, we have an incompetent director of football and we have a head coach.

42:24We don't have a manager. Simple as. Let me get into some of your comments here. Sir Alex Ferguson was the GOAT. Only Jose comes close, says Rub. Daniel Thompson says, Sir Alex knew being ruthless wouldn't make him popular, but made United successful. Making hard decisions, win you titles, being the nice guy loses you jobs. Ownership disrespectful, not following his blueprint. One of the best bits of advice I got given probably about 20 years ago, when, would it be 20 years ago? A bit longer than that, actually, thinking about how old I was 20 years ago. I got given the opportunity to step in to lead my team because the person who was the leader got promoted and they suggested that I come in as an interim for a few months.

43:13And we went out for a drink and I said, oh, thanks for putting me forward. And he said, there's one problem you're going to have. And I said, what? He said, you're so good at your job. You're almost too good. No, he didn't. He said, you are very communicative and that's a good thing, but you are now going to be a leader. and you need to talk less because these people can't be your friends anymore. You can't go out for a drink with them anymore on a level. You can go for a drink, have a drink with them and then go, but you can't stay out all night because you've got to lead now and you need to keep your thoughts to yourself as well because you've got to have, you've got to make the hard decisions basically.

43:55And it's true. I think when you're a leader, you have to, you know you're not there to make friends basically you're not if if they if you're popular and people like you great but ultimately you are there to make big decisions and i sort of look at carrick in his interviews and it reminds me of what what what was just said there i listen to carrick come out in interviews and i think he's trying to be people's mates i think he's trying to protect people i think he's not trying to you know he's worried about being harsh and maybe that's a lack of experience maybe it's a personality trait but I know what makes good managers and good managers have to come out ultimately as a manager your customer is the fans and when you put in performances like we have this season you can't be coming out saying I thought we played well and the lads did well you've got to come out and say that's not good enough Sir Alex Ferguson trusted his instinct when it came to making decisions he also able to get the maximum from any squad he had Trust breeds confidence.

44:56No trust at the club now between players, fans or boards is Patrick Lynch. Well, it's true, Patrick. I mean, how many times have we watched Manchester United over the years or over recent weeks and gone, those players don't look like they're interested. Those players don't look like they're motivated. That comes down to leadership. I mean, how is it that we watch United so regularly and go, they're not switched on? What are they doing? now I go back 20 years wouldn't happen Sir Alex Ferguson just would not put up with those types of results so those types of performances so again it's the environment that allows mediocrity and that comes from poor leadership absolutely Ferguson would play Lacey ahead of Mbemo and try Gabriel for a game instead of Rashford they are hard decisions says James Carrick is a professional interim manager says Keel Carrick celebrates failure and is unable or unwilling to see all the flaws in our performances, that has a huge negative effect on our team, says Marlow.

45:56I always think if you've had a bad day at work and then your boss calls you in and goes, don't worry about it, there were some good things in there and tomorrow's another day and I'm really happy with you. I'll get on the train home and I'll go, lovely, it's fine. I thought I did really bad, but he's happy with me and he's praising me. Whereas if I go in that office and he goes, look, you're better than that. You're much better than that. That's not good enough. That can't happen again. I know you're better than that. Let's make sure that doesn't happen again. Different message. On the train home, I'm like, fucking hell, I've let myself down.

46:40I've let everyone else down. It's not good enough. I know I'm better than that. I'm going to be better tomorrow. It's more motivating, isn't it? Then, oh, don't worry about it. There were some good bits in there. It's not the end of the world. There's always tomorrow. And I was actually quite pleased. And these things have been saying publicly as well. These are public messages. Zoot says you look yummy. Okay. Christopher, welcome to the members club. Thank you. Check out all the member stuff. Loads of stuff there, Christopher. Thanks for getting your badge in. Hello, good people. I would love to share that I just got married.

47:13Haven't been in the football sphere for most of the week. I hope I didn't miss much. Great week to get married, Phil. Congratulations to you and your other half. We don't know who it is. It could be Karen or Darren. We don't know. But congratulations on your marriage. Phil is a member as well, which he doesn't need to be a member to get married. But well done to Phil. Lovely news on a Friday. Ajax or Dortmund ideal for JJ to develop, says James. Yeah, I mean, I wish him all the best wherever he goes. Where'd you go for dinner last night? I went to Tattoo in Birmingham city centre. I've been there a couple of times in the last 12 months.

47:52Chinese food, quite expensive, but not expensive. It's not like millionaire stuff. It's like you can all afford it, but you wouldn't go there every week. But yeah, I recommend it. It's very nice. Really good food, really good environment. Yeah, in the nice area of Birmingham as well. All around there is quite nice, around the corner from the Grand Hotel. Very nice. The main reason we go there is because even though it wasn't Seb's birthday, he likes the beef. He hadn't been shut up about it all week. I'll tell you what I tried there, actually. Tip of the weekend, if you want to try a different lager.

48:35It was called the Happy Buddha. Never had it before. Comes in a strange-shaped bottle, green. I think it actually is a Buddha. I've never had it before. And it was actually quite nice. I don't know whether it went nice with the Chinese because it's quite a light beer, but it was very nice. Yeah. Tip of the weekend. Try a happy Buddha. Lager. JJ and his family looking to get more from a United ownership that has become notorious for giving less. He won't be staying, unfortunately. Completely agree, Patrick. Even if he stays, will his heart be in it, really? Says Dan Green. Yeah, exactly. And Daniel Thompson, hope you're well, Daniel, says, Hi Mark, hope you're well.

49:16I know some fans turned on him, but I'd like JJ to stay. If he does hope we finally nurture and develop the top talent, hope Bruno returns ready to go. Sir Alex is the greatest, says Daniel Thompson. Thank you, Daniel. I completely agree. And also got another new member. Welcome to the Members Club, James Lee. Thank you so much for that.

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51:21Yeah, I tell you what, I'm just going to just be very honest here and say that I absolutely loved the show this morning so far. I think it's probably to do with the fact that we haven't spent a lot of time talking about Man City, which for my mental health is brilliant because we are the United stand. And we've spoken about four big topics today that have got nothing to do with Man City. So I just want to say thank you to all of you. Because we've been doing this for 10 years, sometimes two or three videos a day in Covid. I don't know what we spoke about in COVID but they were bloody good shows so we don't need to talk about Man City on every fucking show and although it wasn't a conscious thing I've absolutely loved not talking about Man City today and talking about things like JJ and Bruno and what Sir Alex Ferguson said and management styles and how the club's being run because I've not finished the show it's still got about another 10 minutes so I saw Mark Ogden on the podcast with Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes yesterday day.

52:27And he was sort of saying that Man United will benefit the most from what's happened to Man City because in 2008, Man United won the Champions League. And then in 2009, Man City started cheating. And is it a coincidence that Man United haven't been very good since 2008? And I thought, well, look, there is an opportunity for Manchester United to benefit from Man City falling into the abyss. Of course there is. You know, if you're in a queue at passport control, and the person in front of you suddenly feels sick and has to go to the toilet, you step forward. You're closer to the front of the queue.

53:04So that is an opportunity, of course it is. But if you stand still, or you go to the toilet as well, people will go past you. And, you know, it's whether United go to the toilet again. You know, I don't think Man United haven't been very good because Man City cheated. I think Man United haven't been very good because we've got crap owners who could have done a lot better and haven't. So yes, it's an opportunity. But I don't think if you take... This is a great question and I've heard nobody ask it. And why is it always us? If Man City hadn't have cheated, how many titles would we have won? And would we be in a bit different position today?

53:51I don't think we'd be in a different position today. We'd have won the title in 2012 and maybe we would have won the title was under Oli and Mourinho as well. But Van Gaal would have been in the Champions League. So would Van Gaal have been sacked and Mourinho came in? There's a lot of butterfly effects, but what would have stayed consistent? You can tell me we would have won the title with Oli. You can tell me we would have won the title with Mourinho. But I would say, well, we wouldn't have sacked Van Gaal because he'd have finished fourth and won the FA Cup. so we wouldn't have got Mourinho so maybe Van Gaal would have stayed for another two years maybe he would have stayed for five years maybe he'd have stayed for another year sacked him, someone else comes in there's lots of butterfly effects so for people who say if Man City hadn't had cheated we'd have won all these titles the only one that we would have won would have been the Sir Alex one with Aguero definitely but what would have stayed consistent is the Glazer ownership the love of dividends the love of watching Manchester United decay, the love of debt, the love of Old Trafford crumbling before their eyes, the love of shitty CEOs who don't know what they're doing.

55:03Regardless of Man City's cheating, we'd still be in the same position we are today. We'd still be in the same amount of debt. Old Trafford would still be getting knocked down. We'd still be showing a lack of ambition. So I don't think Man City's cheating changed Man United's destiny at all. I really don't. Because did Man City's cheating make the Glazers put us into debt, take dividends, show no ambition? No. So whether Man City were cheating or not, we'd still be owned by the Glazers and we'd still be where we are today. So I don't subscribe to this whole, oh, if they hadn't cheated, we'd... No, no, no.

55:43Regardless of... When you look at the rules, the one club this is scary but true when you look at the FFP rules it stops Newcastle it stops Villa it would have stopped Man City if they didn't cheat but you know what it does to Man United you know what the FFP rules to do to Man United it says you see that throne see that throne go and sit on it you are the kings of England you will dominate this league because of these rules These rules make it a piece of piss for Man United to dominate football in 2012. Not now, we fucked it. But in 2012, with the FFP rules, we should have dominated the world.

56:33Because our revenue outmatched anybody in the UK by a long way. And we basically could have done what Man City did if we'd had ambitious owners. if Abu Dhabi had bought Man United they wouldn't have needed to cheat they could have done everything they did at Man City in red and everything they did would be us we'd have Pep, we'd have De Bruyne we'd have Rodri, we'd have Haaland so people need to remember that Man City did cheat, right? but these rules we should have been Man City and the only reason we're not is because our owners don't like spending money. And that's the incredible thing to me is that whilst Man City had to break the rules to be successful, we ignored the rules to be successful.

57:25In fact, we would have dominated if we just took advantage of the rules that were there to help us and we ignored them for personal wealth. So that makes it, The contrast between Man City and Man United is hilarious. Man City broke the rules to do something we could have done but refused to do. Madness. Madness. And nobody can tell me that's wrong. Nobody can tell me that's wrong because we easily could have done it. We fuck ourselves on debt. I mean, we're paying 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 million pounds a year in debt interest. How many players are that? shit run football club Manchester United absolute shit and I tell you what I wish the Premier League would run a fucking investigation into us because it's abysmal it's absolutely abysmal how we've been allowed to be run into the ground you know an institution like Manchester United run into the ground on greed greed that's all it is absolute greed so no I don't agree with Mark Ogden that Man United were held back by Man City's cheating.

58:41I don't agree that we're going to benefit from Man City being removed because we literally had the cheat code, the legitimate cheat code. The Premier League literally went, there's the cheat code. Man City's cheat code, they weren't allowed to use it. Man City's cheat code, you use that and we find out you're in big trouble. Man United had the cheat code. The Premier League went, there it is. these rules are an open goal for you. You've got the revenue. All you got to do is spend, spend, spend. No one else can do what you do. There's the cheat code. We've even called it, the login is Man United 1999.

59:20That's the code. Just chuck it in. And we went, no, we don't want that. We don't want to spend anything. Madness. What's your favourite biscuit, Mark? I tell you what, the aftershows are coming back. We're going to do them in a different way. I crave the after shows because we do members questions with Rooney and we talk about like, what's your favourite board game? And there was a brilliant thing that got clipped out. We had to take it out. It was so good. It was a little bit deep. The funny thing about Stick to United is I'd say every episode about 10 minutes gets edited out and it's always my fault.

1:00:00It's just too far for Disney. it's fine on the United stand show but it's just too far I always ruin it it'll be a really good topic and I'll just go too far on it when you you lot would say it's not too far but for a stick to United show that goes on Disney and stuff I just go a little bit too far sometimes but that's why I want to get the after show back because we won't be sponsored by Disney on that the VATS football announcements on Monday Marmite it was meant to be yesterday but with all the Man City stuff we've put it back till Monday actually that's a lie we put it back till Monday because there was a few things we needed to sort out it's exciting you'll like it it's very exciting looking forward to it Laura says I love the egg parachute show yep you need to watch the members section me and Rooney head to head in a sort of science experiment I still think I won Laura I'm sure he said the word parachute but my favourite biscuit if I could have a biscuit with a cup of tea now, what would a dunk in it?

1:01:01I think a biscuit for me has to be dunkable. I'm not, you know, you know people who just eat a biscuit without having a cup of tea with it. I mean, to me, that's a little bit like, I don't know.

1:01:20I thought it was like something sexual. It's too early. But yeah, a biscuit. Oh, I'm just going to go to the cupboard and get a biscuit. Why? biscuits must go with a cup of tea. I like the, you know, at Christmas when you can get like the, you know, they're expensive. You get six of them in a, you know, well-packaged packet. You know, like the cookies where they'll have like white chocolate and cranberry in it. Oh, I love that. Or a box of Fox's chocolates at Christmas with all the cookies and stuff. I love those. But if I'm just popping down the local Tesco and it's a packet of, you know, traditional biscuits, hobnob, hobnob.

1:02:01I mean, a hobnob to a cup of tea is a bit like Tyson Fury against the Hobbit. And Tyson Fury is the hobnob. It's like, is that all you've got? I mean, you can dunk a hobnob in a full cup of tea. When you take it out, half the tea's gone and the hobnob's still going, put me back in again. Put me back in again. Let me finish him. And you're like, no, no, you might crumble, but they are brilliant. I like shortbread as well. Golden Crunch Creams, not had them for years. Very, very nice. I actually do like a traditional Jammy Dodger. They are quite dunkable as well. Jaffa Cakes aren't really biscuits.

1:02:40I hope they're cakes. Bourbons, used to hate them as a kid. Don't mind them now. Rich Tea, used to like them as a kid. hate them now. Digestives are nice with chocolate. Chocolate hobnob, Gaz. I mean, you're sort of wandering into you know, elite status there. Yeah. It was a Peter Kay impression, wasn't it? Yeah. Peter Kay did that. Credit to Peter Kay. I like Peter Kay. I went to watch him a couple of times. Yeah. I've started watching Ted Lasso. If you know, you know, I've refused to watch Ted Lasso my whole life. And well, not my whole life. It wasn't out until about 10 years ago, but I've always refused to watch it.

1:03:33There was a reason for it, which I'm not going to tell you now, but started watching it. It's all right. And the wife loves it. Oreo biscuits are nice. You know, they've just released some Oreo biscuits, which are Halloween. I'll tell you what I need to start doing on my channel. Goldbridge Reviews Biscuits in tea. I mean, we'll probably only get a thousand people watching, but it'd be very niche. Lovely stuff. Anyway, I've really enjoyed this. You know what? Whether you're having a crap day, average day, good day, know you've made my day because I very rarely, I mean, I enjoy doing the shows, but I very rarely get out of the morning show and go, that's improved my mental health.

1:04:14I feel really happy so thank you everybody for watching really enjoyed it today I think you know what it is I think what I've enjoyed about today is talking about Manchester United because that's what we're here to do and also biscuits take care everyone stay safe I will speak to you on the next one what's the plan for today so when this video ends it will take you to my live stream of the career mode not started but just you can subscribe so you know where it is we're giving away that code FC27 code Man United career mode I think it's episode 4 if you want to catch up where we're at starting to do quite well now 8 o 'clock show tonight we definitely have an 8 o 'clock show tonight so yeah back live tonight at 8 o 'clock take care everyone have a great day speak to you in a bit

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