JJ Gabriel TO Real Madrid! United CAN'T Be Fixed!

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1:39Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Art Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news as JJ Gabriel moves closer to a move to Real Madrid. And we pose the question, is Manchester United broken beyond repair? It's the morning of the moron. And I'm not talking about me. All I can see this morning on the news and online is the shaking head FC Prats, who told us this summer was good, saying, well, Manchester United, Manchester United have done everything they can for JJ. You know, nobody's bigger than the club. You know, may as well be kissing the Glazers' arse, FC. I mean, it's just incredible.

2:19You know what? I'm just waiting for a Rio video saying no one's bigger than the club. I mean, what club are you actually talking about? As I said last night, stop falling into the trap of we're Manchester United. The Glazers have turned that Manchester United into an absolute shell. It doesn't exist anymore. The only people bigger than Manchester United, factually, are the Glazers. So don't come out with the nonsense of, oh, nobody's bigger than Manchester United. They are. The Glazers are bigger than Man United. That's why you turn up every week watching Man United play, buying shirts. And I watch the games with you because with the Glazers in charge, the Glazers are bigger than Man United.

2:57So stop pretending. I actually saw a journalist today say, I think it was Henry Winter, reeling off names like Beckham and the class of 92 and saying, you know, you need to learn some humility at United and following the pathway of Beckham and Giggs. It was in the life, 30 years ago, mate, 30 years ago, people used to clean each other's boots then. I mean, I just find it incredible that people don't understand the modern world around academies and football. You know, there's content creators who should probably go and bloody learn something about football instead of just shouting and screaming.

3:32Like I operate around academy level football and have for years. I'm not on a scout, but I know people who have got their kids in academies. I've been through that experience myself, family members, etc. There are parents of kids at championship clubs at under 14 level who are constantly on WhatsApp or in the manager's ear saying, why is my kid not getting game time? I'm looking to go to another club. And this is under four teams at championship level. What do you think happens at a Manchester United football club where, you know, Real Madrid and PSG want them? This humility and humble nature doesn't exist in football at any level.

4:18So why do you think it's going to exist at Manchester United? Anyway, let's recap on where we're at because it is a match day today. What I also want to throw in as well is another Ineos lie, basically. So let's go back to March 2024, when Ineos had just taken over Manchester United. This is what Sir Jim Radcliffe said, because he doesn't want to overpay. Direct quotes. I'd rather find the next Mbappe than spend a fortune trying to buy success.

4:52I'll let that one settle there for a moment because the clever people will go ping. It's not that clever buying the next Mbappe. Anyone could figure that one out. It's much more challenging to find the next Mbappe or the next Jude Bellingham and nurture them through.

5:12So we're not going to spend money on Elliot Anderson or anyone like that anymore because we don't want to overpay because we're going to find the next Jude Bellingham, aren't we? We're going to find the next Kylian Mbappe. Look, not my words, the words of numerous sources, journalists and experts in the game around Man United up until last night when JJ said he wanted to leave. When they thought he was staying, just a few quotes and articles about him. The most exciting talent Manchester United have had in decades. the potential to be a world superstar, not just a Premier League superstar. And there was another one I wrote down as well.

5:55Genuinely could be England's best ever player. Yeah, so I'd say we might have the next Mbappe at the club, which is exactly what Sir Jim Radcliffe wanted. And we've dropped it. We've dropped it. so we want to produce the next Mbappe we potentially got a player that could be that and he's going to leave because the club's a joke look I wouldn't trust this United board to produce fire with a box of matches and a bag of straw I think the club's screwed I think everywhere you look we're rubbish we don't buy big players anymore we sack managers constantly we don't get best in class in any area and then we pretend we're all about the youth but then that falls apart as well I mean look the Amazon documentary is going to be great so far isn't it?

6:52we missed out on every major target in the summer we didn't get even half the players we needed to get in relation to left backs and strikers we've had a shit start to the season and the one thing that we champion youth our best youth player is just asked to leave and you know what the thing that really caught me was what Ben Jacobs said when we search for why this has happened and Real Madrid are apparently in advance and just on the JJ situation if he's got an Irish passport he can leave next month United think they can keep him for another year the talk is that he could go next month Real Madrid are there apparently Man United are shocked because they've got a good relationship with Real Madrid oh god the naivety, isn't it?

7:39The naivety. I thought you were my mate. Why are you going out with a girl I like? Yeah, because that never happens, does it? But it's... Look, there's a lot of stuff being put out there about Luckhurst has been at it. It can't be a coincidence that it's his dad. I just want to say this straight away, actually. Do you know the moron brigade who are falling for the glazer bullshit PR, right? All they've got is Well, Manchester United, no one's bigger than the club. Well, they are. Rashford's proven that. Loads of players have proven that they're bigger than the club. Player power has existed for 10 years.

8:15Pogba, you know, this no one's bigger than the club. Where have you been for 10 years? A coma. Countless players have proved they're bigger than the club over the last 10 years. Oh, no one's bigger than the club. I don't know where this bullshit is coming from. These people need to go back to 1999. So this nonsense that no one's bigger than the club, where have you been for 10 years? Then there's this other one that it's his dad. It's his dad who's causing the problem. Just on the dad thing, I've heard this about Jude Bellingham's dad as well. Jude Bellingham's dad's a bad influence. Yeah. Yeah.

8:51Jude Bellingham's dad's a real issue to deal with. Jude Bellingham's dad's really pushy about his kid's career. Jude Bellingham's dad's always been like this. Jude Bellingham's dad won't put up with any shit. Yeah, Jude Bellingham's probably going to win the Ballon d 'Or. He's England's best player. He's gone from Birmingham City, they retired the shirt, to Dortmund, to Real Madrid. He's one of the best players. Oh, Jude Bellingham's dad's a problem because he looks out for his son's careers. Oh my God. Take him to the Tower of London and send him to prison. I mean, so what? Child's father has best interests of their kid.

9:30and Legion says greedy parents can't wait to cash it. I don't think it is that, mate. I think you're swallowing the bloody Glazer manual again. I can't believe this morning the Moron Brigade are going after JJ's dad for wanting the best for his son whilst Manchester United have been ripped apart and plunged into debt and had tens of millions of pounds of its own money go to the Glazers. and people are choosing to side with the Glazers who've ripped their soul out of this club and took hundreds of millions out of it over a lad whose dad wants the best for him. I mean, that's the crazy world we live in now.

10:13That's why the Glazers are still here because they can deflect everything they've caused onto a 15-year-old's dad who probably looks at it and goes, this is not the place for my kid. I mean, we don't even know if it's true There's stuff coming up about When they were at London, the same thing happened Oh, he was always moaning about game time for his son So what? So what? The Manchester United you think exists That no one's bigger than doesn't exist The Glazers run Man United now And they've run it into the ground Sir Bobby Charlton, Sir Alex Ferguson David Beckham's right boot. That's not Man United anymore.

10:58Man United is a mercenary business organisation that is on leverage debt and is just about making money. And you choose that over a 15-year-old and his dad who wants to get out to go and play somewhere else. Maybe they want to get out and play somewhere else because of what I've just described there. The club is absolutely broken. And people talk about pathways into the first team. I saw a journalist today say, Man United couldn't have done anything more. Shaking his head the whole time. Man United couldn't have done anything more. He was meant to be playing tonight. Man United couldn't have done anything more.

11:32They've offered a pathway to the first team. They're shocked. They're confused. They couldn't have done anything more. They couldn't have done anything more. Should we get my 20 encyclopedias out of what Man United could have done more in the last 10 years? They couldn't have done any more. We've got four points from 12. They couldn't do any more. We've not been in a title race for ages. They couldn't do any more. What happened to Obi? What happened to Kone? What happened to Leon? Oh, we've got the next Harland up front. Oh, we've got the next Kante coming in. Oh, this lad from Paraguay is going to be the next Roberto.

12:09Where are they? Where are they? Where are these young players that are going to be the next big thing. And on top of that, where's Santos on the bench? Where's Sesco on the bench? Where's Yoro on the bench? This pathway that you talk about is the pathway, oh yeah, we'll give you first team minutes. Probably the same pathway Sesco had when he signed. Probably the same pathway when Obi had when he signed. Oh yeah, you're going to be part of the first team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They could have done more. They've run the club into the ground. Jude Bellingham didn't sign for Manchester United either Jude Bellingham and his dad visited Man United and decided Dortmund was better I can't believe people still wake up in the morning and go well, if he doesn't if he thinks he's bigger than Man United he can go Man United, we're Manchester United get rid of him get rid of him and his dad we're better off without you we're better off without you if you think you're better than us get out of here We've literally been down this road with Erling Haaland and Jude Bellingham.

13:12They both chose Dortmund over us. People are still waking up in the morning going, we're Manchester United. We're Manchester United. If he... Great little shit. If he thinks he's bigger than us, he can get out. He can go. Because we always get proved right about, oh yeah, Jude Bellingham chose to do that. That's working really well for us, isn't it? Really, really well. The reality is I don't see a problem with taking your son at a Man United because it's a shit show. I don't. I really don't. Other than the time warp of 20 years ago, it would be insulting. Right now, it's where the club is. It's exactly where the club is.

13:53And the hilarious thing is this is where Sir Jim Radcliffe told us we were going to operate now. We're not spending big money anymore. We're producing the next Mbappe. Well, the next Mbappe wants to fuck off. So where are we as a club? The owner of the club, Sir Jim Radcliffe, the football side. We don't want to buy Mbappes anymore. We want to produce the next Mbappes. We've been told for two years we've got the next Jamal, the next Mbappe, the next superstar. He's going to leave. What are they going to say? Oh, it doesn't matter. Yeah, we've changed their mind on that now. We don't want to produce the next Mbappe.

14:26We don't want to buy the next Mbappe. We basically just want to get some average player to come and play who loves Man United. Yeah, that's what we want to do. It's humiliating. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. But to those people out there who are trying to go after a 15-year-old, grow up, literally, and for those people out there trying to go after his dad, look, as a father myself, I don't get what the problem is with prioritizing what's best for your son or daughter. If they're in a shit environment, if your daughter comes home at the weekend and she's 18 and she says a bit, you know, I've been working as an apprentice at this place.

15:09I thought it was a great company to work at, but it's horrible. There's no there's no promotion prospects. You know, I feel like I'm better than everybody else, but I'm not being, you know, they're taking me for granted. There's a business down the road where they'll give me a pathway to leadership and, you know, and better bonuses, etc. Stay there. It's Manchester United. Stay there and know your place. You're going to say, get out. If it's not right for you, get out. Absolutely. And look, I could tell you a story. What annoys me the most, what annoys me the most, is seeing a journalist or a content creator or an X account saying if he thinks he's bigger than Man United, he can get out.

15:57When I know for a fact there are players in that first team squad who have behaved worse than that to get what they want, whether it be a new contract, game time, whatever. It's the hypocrisy. Like a 15-year-old saying, I want to leave. Not holding anybody to ransom, is he? I want to leave. This is not where I want to be. I want to leave. It's not as bad as downing tools and earning massive amounts of money. And also, I really need to reiterate this. And some of you already know the answer, but shame on those journalists and people who can't be asked to find out. Four years ago, this player is now not playing in England.

16:45I don't even know what league they're playing in now, but they're a nobody, right? They were at a Premier League club, not Man United, and they were young. I think they were probably, maybe they were 15 or 16 at the time. And I only know it because they're aged. and they didn't really have a massive prospect of getting near that Premier League club's first team. But the money they were asking for and demanding or they were going to leave was incredible. And they're now nowhere near the Premier League. So, and they weren't even that talented. At least JJ's talented. At least Jude Bellingham's talented.

17:28You know, you can understand the prioritising your career when they're talented. But in academy football, you've got parents demanding all sorts. 14 year, 12 year olds have got agents, you know. In the English game, 12 year olds have agents. Those agents aren't sat there waiting for Nike to send them some free boots. They're talking about game time. They're talking about an under 14 year old. When are they going to be training with the under 21s? When's that going to happen? Because we've got Arsenal on the line. You know, this is this We're Man United world is nonsense. And the crap you'll hear today from people who think they know what they're on about is nonsense.

18:11The plan here is to castigate JJ, his agents and his dad and make them out to be villains for wanting a pathway. They're not going to St Mirren to earn a million pounds a week. They're going to go to Real Madrid or PSG or Barcelona or Arsenal or Man City. They're going to go to some of the biggest clubs in the world to have a pathway to play football. But I'm telling you now, they're a crap. Right, Wayne, what are we doing here today? Filming promo for a new podcast. Me and Mark Oldbridge. What's the podcast called, Wayne? It's all that. What is it called? Oh, that was good. Wayne is a player.

18:51Exactly what Man United was all about. and I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything. What would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's just... We'll be reacting to all the games. Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories. Just have my socks on and my underpants. Good. Hopefully no sackings. He's gone first on both of them. I think we will have debates. That's why I was saying you can go first. I did. On the volley. United. Oh, perfect. On the pitch, off the pitch. I've got a little goal in my garden. I'd have to say for that, to be honest.

19:24Stiff United is coming to him. Kids out there with agents demanding all sorts, all the time, because that's the modern game. And I don't think we've caught up on this. I don't think fans have caught up on it. I don't think the media have caught up with it. Or it's been swept under the carpet. But this is not uncommon at all for players now. And people who think that player power has existed, it's probably about to get a lot worse. So I just don't, I've got no interest in any story about his dad, about his agent or anything like that, because everybody's at it. Everybody's at it. It's not unique.

20:02It's been going on for years, years and years and years. The question is, why does he want to? The only question, the only question is, and look, I think absolutely everybody talking about his dad or whatever like that. It's a distraction. You know, when you're deep, it's a distraction. The question is, why does he want to leave Manchester United? You know, when people go on about his dad or a boot deal or whatever, shut up. Why does he want to leave Manchester United? That's all I'm interested in. And what did Ben Jacobs say? Player is unhappy with the pathway and pre-season minutes. Real Madrid and Barcelona have both made their pitch already Multiple Premier League clubs are after him as well as Man City Man United want to try and change his mind But fundamentally, it's not about his dad It's not about the agent It's about being unhappy at Manchester United Why is he unhappy at Manchester United?

21:01And the story is, he's unhappy at Manchester United because of lack of minutes in the pre-season. And probably, considering the timeline, seeing Amas and Lacey come on in the Champions League game last Thursday was probably the final straw. And people say, well, why would you go to Real Madrid? Because that's the story. Why would you go? I mean, again, this is just like baffling to me. Why would you go to Real Madrid when Vinicius Junior is there and Mbappe is there? There's no pathway there, is there? I mean, do people actually watch La Liga or PSG or anyone like that? I don't. I don't. I don't know how they work.

21:41So, but their league is not as competitive as ours. They have the Copa del Rey. They have the French Cup. They have half a league that's a lot easier than ours. And if he signs a contract, I guarantee you he's going to sign a contract that says you're going to get minutes. And also, are you better off? And this is the mic drop. Are you better off at Manchester United and the pathway they're offering? Or are you better off at Real Madrid and the pathway they're offering? Because even if you go to Real Madrid and you don't hit the first team, look at Odegaard. Odegaard's one of the best players in the Premier League.

22:24Never really made it at Real Madrid. So it is a mic drop. You can laugh all you like, you knobhead. The point is, you're labouring under a Manchester United that doesn't exist and you may as well have a Glazer t-shirt on because everybody turning on him doesn't understand why he wants to go because he thinks Man United is not right for him. Which is exactly what many of you have been saying for years. Real Madrid has a better pathway than Manchester United. PSG has an absolute different thing. And to all those people saying it's going to be like another ganacho, Oh, bore off. Bore off. I'm telling you now, it's not even my words.

23:05United have been pushing this for 18 months. He is not the next Ganacho. He is not the next Rashford. And he is not the next Maynou. He may flop. Obviously, that can happen, right? But nobody was talking about Rashford or Maynou or Ganacho like this. This is a player that United have promoted themselves as could be one of the greatest players in the world. You can't pretend that's not the case just because he wants to leave. Go and read the headlines. Jordan says his dad's a fool, end of. Yeah, Jordan, I'd love to know why he's a fool or if you just listen to, you know, uneducated journalists and so-called fan content creators who wouldn't know their ass from their elbow.

23:46Why is his dad a fool? Why is his dad a fool? Oh, because I've read some stuff on Reddit that his dad's really pushy. Every parent is pushy in academy football. maybe go and learn about academy football every parent is pushy Jude Bellingham's dad's probably pushy what's wrong with that? do you think JJ's got a parent who's got the only parent that's pushy in academy football? so what if he is? so what if he turns up at Carrington every day and says why is my kid not in the first team? so what? so what's the problem with that? I don't get the problem with it. Why is he even being blamed for being ambitious for his kid?

24:30If the talent matches the ambition, so what? If he really is going to be the next big thing, so what? It's the world we live in. I just can't believe people have been distracted into blaming the parent and the kid. It's mad. It's absolutely mad. And I would say again, to everybody who thinks there's a pathway to the first team, what happened to Obi? Where's Obi now? On loan in Denmark. Where's Kone at Lausanne? Where's Lyon? I haven't got a fucking clue. Where's Orozco? Where's, you know, Yoros on the bench? Where's Heaven on the bench? This pathway that you're talking about, Man United have done everything.

25:12Man United are shit. And we've been shit for years. But we're not winning the league anymore with Keane and the class of 92 being nurtured. We're shit. The Glazers are brewing this football club And people want to blame a 15 year old And this is why the Glazers always win And you know what It's exactly the same accounts and people Protecting the club again That did in the summer It's exactly the same accounts and people Who in the summer Were calling us negative It's exactly the same people Back in the club again Who backed a shit transfer window And those exact same people will get proven wrong again, in my opinion.

25:58Okay, so we've got a game. I mean, look, I do fully expect whether it was going to happen or not that Lacey will start tonight. I think United have to start Lacey tonight. I mean, it's the biggest open goal in the world. It's, you know, I think head of PR will be in the dressing room tonight saying, Michael, pick Lacey. Like it has to, you have to pick Lacey and probably Amas as well. You've got to do it because the noise around what's happened with JJ is so big that United are on a mad PR scramble to turn it into a positive. So they've got to put Lacey in the team tonight. A lot of people talking about that in the chat.

26:39I think they have to. I think that this will blow over. Of course it will. Of course it will. I mean, look, you're going to end up with a situation where I think a lot of people monitor JJ's career and hope it fails. But to be honest, it just leaves me with an immense feeling of disappointment again. You know, I think we're just constantly disappointed. I wasn't expecting him in the first team for the next couple of years, but I expected sporadic minutes. You look at Dowman at Arsenal and he was making his debut and he was on the bench quite regularly last season. I expected that for JJ this year because I think United had to do it.

27:23And I think that, look, fortunately we're quite, we were ahead of the game on this. I wouldn't even say we were ahead of the game. I just think it was common sense. He was out of contract in the summer anyway, so United needed to make a very, very big play. I think some people don't understand this, that next summer he's not under contract. We could have played him every single week and he still could have left next summer. So you were always in a position where you had to make a big play. I've heard people saying, oh, he was given a private box to watch Man United games and his wage is good and this, that and the other.

28:04Look, you either believe or you don't. You either believe he's going to be the next amazing player or you don't. And you're in a position where you either make a big play or you don't. and you can't be bitter about, oh, we're giving a few grand a week or, oh, he had a private box at Man United. Like, you either make a play or you don't. He's out of contract next summer. So people can say, well, he's moaning about pre-season minutes. He should know his place. He does know his place. Next year, he can go to PSG or Real Madrid. So you either give him the pre-season minutes or you don't. You either involve him in the first team or you don't.

28:43but what you can't do is sit there and go, well, Manchester United, you'll have to be patient because it'll be like, well, I'm out of contract in a year. I'm off to Real Madrid. So you either play the game or you don't. Now, by the sands of it, some people didn't want to play the game. We'll find out whether we should have played the game or not. But apparently there were minutes that were promised that weren't delivered. It wasn't the player going, where's my pre-season minutes? Where's my, you know, Apparently there were minutes offered that weren't delivered. Man United's a mess. I saw an article, Adam Crafton Athletic, saying, I think I'll trust the scouts.

29:25Sorry, I think I'll trust the club and the coaches and the pathway that they lay in front of a player more than a 15-year-old. And I thought, well, that's the big issue, isn't it? You're asking us to trust Manchester United and their plans and their coaches over a 15-year-old. And it would be great to do that, but I don't trust Manchester United. JJ leaving is a biggest use as YT, but isn't replacing Bruno even bigger? Replacing an irreplaceable player takes time and potentially seasons of adaption. So shouldn't United prepare now? But I think it says it in the title, YT. I think United are beyond repair.

30:10I actually quote tweeted a clip from me after we beat Chelsea last season where I said we're walking eyes wide open into a shit show next season. And I got a load of shit for it. And the clip's on X. It's from when we beat Chelsea last season. And we had Luke Shaw putting a picture on Instagram of him and Ganaccio on the floor, like giving it the big one. And a load of United players were like doing these pictures of Ganaccio because we beat Chelsea. and I said at the time this is the problem with Man United we've beaten Chelsea and Garnaccio plays for Chelsea so they're all running to Instagram to get the adulation but ultimately Garnaccio's shit he sits on Villa's bench now and our players are running to Instagram oh yeah we beat Chelsea and Garnaccio Chelsea didn't even qualify for Europe and Garnaccio now sits on Villa's bench and we had players on Instagram oh look at me doing what I did to Garnaccio and I said after that video I said at the time That's what the clip says.

31:10It said, my big fear is this is just what we are. Our players run to Instagram as soon as they get a win because they're so desperate to be, oh, look at me, look at me. But there's no... They know they have to run to Instagram when they beat Chelsea with Garnaccio because that's probably... Who knows when the next win's coming? And I said, we're sleepwalking with our eyes wide open into a shit season next year. And look where we are now. You can see it a bloody mile off. The club's broken. The club's broken. And I think it's almost broken beyond repair now. I don't think they can fix this. Everything they say ends up being a point of ridicule.

31:51Omar Barada, if not this year, next year, winning the league. Jim Radcliffe, we're not going to buy Mbappe anymore because we're going to produce the next one. And then he's going to put a transfer request in at 15.

32:05how can you fix something when they haven't got the tools to do it everything just looks a mess Jacob says do you really think a 15 year old is making these decisions on his own where else is he going to start we're going to start him today it's not that simple Jacob it's not that simple and this is what I mean people will come at this from very many different angles but don't believe everybody's got a vested interest United want to come out of this looking good so they will throw it all onto a 15 year old and his dad

32:43other young players at the club will see this as an opportunity to go well I love Man United but are they as good as JJ so everyone's going to come at this with their own angle the fact that he's asked to leave knowing that he was going to play against Brighton, I actually think that's more credible. I think it is. I think if he'd stayed quiet and played to break our record, knowing he wants to leave, would be more deceitful. I think the fact that he knew he was going to play tonight and he's saying, I want to go, is way more impactive because it's like, well, you were going to play tonight. So playing in the Carabao Cup or being on the bench for the Carabao Cup clearly wasn't the issue.

33:26something has happened before that to make them do that. And King Solomon says it's not about a pathway. Well, it's not about money, if that's what you think it is. So 100 % is about a pathway to stop. The trouble is people put lies out there. People come out with their own theories. But the reality is something's gone on around his pathway at Manchester United and the way that they're developing him. Eamon, welcome to the Members Club. Thank you very much. it's disgusting says John I can't even remember our fan base turning on a 15 year old and his dad for wanting to achieve the highest goals possible, what's disgusting John is that people turn on a 15 year old and his dad and believe Reddit posts over the fact that Man United is hundreds of millions of pounds in debt we're knocking Old Trafford down, we've been shit for over a decade they've taken tens of millions of pounds hundreds of millions of pounds out of the club and they're called the Glazers but people would rather believe Twitter rumours about a 15 year old and his dad than blame the people that over two decades longer than JJ's been alive the Glazers have been screwing this club over and Yolo says good luck to the kid I genuinely wish him all the best hopefully he will end up staying at Man United we must remember that but if he goes to Real Madrid or PSG I hope he goes and fulfils his talent I really do because the only people I blame are the Glazers.

34:54I think if we were the Man United of 20 years ago, I don't think he would be going. 20 years ago, you've got the people like Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo being nurtured. Can you imagine having JJ 20 years ago? You've got Sir Alex Ferguson in charge, one of the greatest nurturers of talent ever. You've got Wayne Rooney and you've got Cristiano Ronaldo coming through. I don't think we'd have a problem in the world him staying at Man United and that's why for me I don't blame him don't blame his dad I don't blame his agent United is a shit show now the problem is we've still got people around the club thinking we are what we are 20 years ago and ignoring why we're not if things don't improve Lacey and others could follow JJ and then we're in big trouble says Irish Ghost but I don't necessarily agree with you that Irish ghost.

35:48I think there'll be plenty of young players that go, it's Man United, but it's whether they're good enough. It's very different when you are a player that Real Madrid and Barcelona and PSG are begging you to come because you're a very, very big talent. I don't think with all due respect, Real Madrid and PSG are begging any other of our players. So there's levels to this game as well, isn't there? It's not just about one player. It's a player that's meant to be very, very good. We can't move on from the past says Kiel Robinson exactly what about the fact his dad created fake accounts to talk crap about other academy players yeah but that is that proven Tej or is that just another rumour so we're meant to believe that JJ's dad created fake Twitter accounts to leak team news and slag other players off but we're going to ignore the fact that the Glazers have absolutely ripped this club apart over 20 years I mean this is the world we operate in now isn't it This is how spin works.

36:47It's mad. It's absolutely mad. Ennis says that the Lewis family, the owners of Spurs, have today injected another 120 million into Spurs. That's 320 million in the last 18 months. It must be great to have owners that are ambitious and care about your club. Standards keep getting lower, says Marco. Surely the conversation now has to be how supporters can push relentlessly for meaningful change at the club. Well, that's what should be happening, yes. Next summer, we will buy Ronaldinho, says Not A Smurf. Ineos are hypocrites of the highest calibre but how much of the youth exclusion is down to Carrick says Josh Yeah well I do actually quite like the way Carrick's been left out of this but as I said before

37:32Michael Carrick's refusal to use Sesco, putting Bruno in the midfield and not really using youth if this was Ruben Amrim there's an article a day slagging him off does Michael Carrick use the youth? We'll have to wait and see. I class Heaven and Yoro as young players and Sesco. Do they get used? Not really.

37:58Tom Shook Smith, welcome to the Members Club. Oh, if you are a member, by the way, and you want to play Fantasy Premier League, we have a video that goes out every Wednesday. It's gone out again this morning. I had a good week this week. We basically do 10 minutes, me and H, talking about the Fantasy Premier League, subs, transfers, games coming up and we've got a big United Stand League as well so if you want to join that and watch the Fantasy Premier League video each week that's on the members section so check that out and join and we've got a bonus video with Rooney every Thursday which goes out tomorrow all his 15 rubbish if you're good enough you're not good enough the best player in the world is 19 is he too young just makes you resent the club more says Sean Turner look the thing is Sean is that maybe he's ready maybe he's not but But it feels like there is this feeling that he is ready and is not being used.

38:51Now, United have got every right to make that decision. But do you trust them? Do you trust them? Marlowe says United is a sinking ship. Every decent father would do everything to save his sons as Marlowe. Look, my daughter has played academy football. and to be honest, I've never really massively got involved in game time or speaking to coaches or anything like that because, and maybe that's naive, but I know other mates who've got sons and predominantly sons in the academy football and they're always WhatsApp being the coach. They're always speaking to the head of development. And they're not talking about the game at the weekend.

39:34They're talking about next season. what's the pathway to the, under 14s, what's the pathway to the first team? Now, I don't even know if these kids are good enough. So again, I think there's a naivety to what goes on in academy football. You can be a bang average 14 left back and your dad might be on at the manager and the head of development saying, what's the pathway for my son to the first team? Yeah. And they've probably got an agent doing that for them as well. It's a massive industry. and that's not to mention the backhanders that go on now the FA and the Premier League have apparently put rules in place that you can't incentivise people to come along fucking does happen I ain't getting involved in that because I'm not going down that road but I'm telling you that this this outcry on social media about his dad wanting the best for his career like it's the first person in the world to do it oh my god people's parents were being bought houses to sign to certain things.

40:43So at least JJ is actually a player that might be generational. Like there are parents doing this with players that are never going to be that. And if you don't know that world, I understand. But it's the reaction that like, this is, oh, his dad's a bloody nightmare. Jude Bellingham's dad's done the same for his kids. And look at where Jude Bellingham is now. if you've got a talented kid and you want them to make it to the very, very top, would you not shout and scream for that? I think it's worse when you've got a not talented kid and people are doing it. United posting Rashford 24 goal involvements on socials, says Nick.

41:24I mean, look, this is a great point. Do you think Marcus Rashford's got anything to do with JJ deciding to leave? I mean, I would be stunned. I'd be absolutely stunned. I don't think Rashford coming back I mean look it does put another attacker into the equation in the first team but if Rashford had gone to Barcelona we might have gone and bought a winger anyway so I don't find that I mean was there not an article about six weeks ago about how Rashford had took it upon himself to nurture and you know take JJ under his wing I'm sure I read something about that around Dublin as well. So I don't get the Rashford angle on that at all, to be honest with you.

42:09But what I would say is Manchester United is still a football club that is run by players, whether it be a 15-year-old or a 29-year-old. It is. Bruno knocks on the door every summer for a new contract. Rashford comes back from Barcelona and is straight into the team I'm not digging Bruno and Rashford out but I don't know why people think player power doesn't exist at Man United of course it bloody does I mean the club's a mess the club's an absolute mess if Bruno decided he wanted to leave they'd be on the hands and knees giving him what he wanted so it's funny how when Manchester United works when we want it to work it doesn't work at all there are players in that club who've got it by the balls and can twist it whenever they want.

42:59Notice, Mark, that for years, no first team player has ever wanted to leave the club for ambitious reasons. There's everything you need to know, doesn't it? I agree with that, Warrior of Sparta. I haven't got a problem with any player that says, I want to leave Man United because the ambitions are shit. I mean, the amount of fans that say that, it's unbelievable. Unfortunately, as a fan, you shouldn't be leaving your club. But I'd respect it if a player stepped forward and said, I want to leave, this club's in the mud. but nobody does. United has failed young talents time and time again. Ganacho, Garner, Rashford and even Maynou.

43:34How many of these Academy Wonder Kids, how many actually make it to the first team or are nurtured properly when they get there, says Emily. Well, you're never going to nurture talent when you've got Deleuze and Luke Shaw as your fullbacks for a combined 20 years. Harry Maguire is still our starting centre-back. You know, we just keep using the same players. Sully says, Mark's preaching too hard. The truth hurts. Look, Sully, it's my opinion. But as I said, there is plenty of opinion the other way. There's plenty of we're Man United. There's plenty, oh, it's his dad's fault. But I just think it's full of holes.

44:14And it's the same people and it's the same creators and it's the same ex-players and it's the same journalists who in the summer were calling us all negative for saying it was a crap window. Like I say, I'm just waiting for Rio's video of no one's bigger than the club. from a guy who held a meeting with Chelsea in 2005, went and had dinner with Chelsea's CEO or director, Peter Kenyon, when he was a Man United player. So maybe he will be quiet, to be fair, because it would be hypocritical. Mark, the board has fucked it again, says Marlowe. This time, it's not just this season written off. It's the next decade.

44:50United has fallen so low, we ain't coming back. Well, that's the disappointing thing, Marlowe, isn't it? because you sort of look at it and what we're desperate for as fans is some level of optimism. And I can't see a vision. If JJ is coming through in the next two years, because he'd be in the first team by the time he's 17, let's be real, Yamal is in the first team at 17, isn't he? So, all right, he's only 15, but he's going to be in the first team in the next 18 months. well that's not happening anymore a lot of people rightly or wrongly a lot of United fans were excited about that it was one of the things that they were sort of looking at as shit as the club is that's that's something to look forward to well that's gone now

45:44so not only are we spending less than Ipswich in a summer transfer window where we needed to be ambitious not only is our first team full of players at the end of their career. We're not spending money. The team is ageing. And then the big youth prospect that everyone was excited about is leaving. So the vision for the... And we've got a coach that looks out of his depth. And we've got a board that looks ridiculously incompetent. And we've got owners who I genuinely believe Jedward would do a better job. so it's hard to be it's hard to be excited isn't it because wherever you look the future looks horrible Lacey, Amas, Kone Diego, Leon, Kone should all leave says Tony how are we going to find the next Mbappe when we don't develop the youth says Irish Ghost got a ticket for tonight a few weeks ago hoping to see JJ Lacey and co instead we've got five of 2022 starting 11 trying to scam a win best in class says Brian and stuff I think you will see Lacey and I think you will see Amas tonight I think Carrick has to do it I actually think this is one of the rare occasions where Sir Jim Radcliffe picks the phone up to Carrick and says, look, I'm the boss.

46:55You need to be starting Lacey tonight. We're having a right shit show because of this JJ stuff. If you lose the game, you lose the game. That's on me, but you need to start Lacey. I think that call goes in because I think you have to start him tonight. You have to show some sort of youth prospect. But I think the interesting thing with Lacey as well is, I think he's a really talented player, but is he ready? Is he ready physically? Until we put him in, I don't know. A lot of people think Amas is actually not ready for the Premier League at the moment. Some players are and some people aren't. As a follow-up to my previous Super Chat, Harrison Armstrong is described as the best Everton Academy talent since Rooney.

47:39The board listened to the fans as Sinister Ski. He looks good, yeah. He does look good. United have just announced three young players signing. What a coincidence, says Ginger Red. Yeah, but none of them have... Yeah. Spin. spin spin i was watching your show yesterday and you compared man united to everton if anything you're worse in the summer the everton board wanted to sell armstrong the fans revolted and he stayed yeah sinister i'm not i'm not slating everton right i think when you can obviously everton will feel offended but everton had a really shit transfer window so did we everton are a club that should be doing better but haven't for years and a badly run so are we but also Everton are a club that if they have a decent player they'll sell them well that seems to be the way we're going Everton are a club that doesn't spend big money on transfers seems to be the way we're going so look I think the expectations and standards of Man United have gone down there why would JJ and his dad want to stay out of the mess of the club says Rob I don't blame them at all and Dan Tan says what an irie we have a board that buys only under 25 and yet hired a manager that doesn't trust them would be hilarious if he ends up at Man City says Alexander look wherever he ends up I want him to end up being really good because he'll be playing for England so

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50:47The problem is we've got owners that don't get motivated by this sort of thing. If he leaves and I was the owner, I'd be like, we've got to make sure we have a better future than he does. If he's going to go to Real Madrid and end up winning Champions League, we need to make sure we're beating them in the Champions League final. But we don't have owners like that. They're not motivated by footballing success. They're motivated by money. Dalman starts against the Premier League side yesterday. Manu almost sold. Amast almost sold. Lacey the next Foden, barely no minutes. JJ, no minutes, says Kai.

51:17I'm happy for him. He shouldn't be stuck in this horror show. Next should be Bruno, says AJ. The worst part is future wonder kids seeing this situation. Would they come to United now? Not looking good. Hunzi, this is a great, great point. It's a great, great point. If you've got a talent that's been lauded so much for the last 18 months, basically asking to leave Man United, what damage does that do to Manchester United? It's a great point. What does it say about United's youth and pathway to the first team when somebody at 15 decides this is not the club for me? And also, is it not just another aspect of the destruction of Manchester United by the Glazers?

52:01You've got physical destruction in the Theatre of Dreams, Old Trafford, a building that should never get knocked down, should be listed, should never get knocked down, is going to get knocked down. And that's because of the Glazers. You've got a football club that's nowhere near winning titles, and that's because of the Glazers. You've got a football club that was financially self-sufficient and profitable, now hundreds of millions of pounds in debt, and that's because of the Glazers. And then you've got a youth institution that is intrinsically linked. You know, tragically linked, happily linked.

52:37It's what Man United is, youth, Busby Babes, class of 92, George Best. We've had a youth player on our bench, a record since the 1930s. So youth football at Man United is symbolic. And there's a 15-year-old saying, I ain't staying here. It's shit. So it's just another embarrassment at something that's a core pillar of this football club. Stadium, winning things, youth. The Glazers have systematically took it apart. Stadium's going to get knocked down. We don't get near titles anymore. We're hugely in debt. And our youth is a point of ridicule today. They've took everything that we stood for and broken it.

53:21And they're still here. They're still here. I mean, on what level can people still find a way to go, maybe it's going to be okay? Everything we stand for is gone. And don't get me started on style of play and entertainment because we haven't done that for 10 years either. There's literally nothing left about what Man United is. So when people say, we're Man United, you know, no one's bigger than the club. What club? our youth is a joke our team on the pitch is a joke we're in massive debt and we're knocking Old Trafford down what is Manchester United that you say no one's bigger than Man United it's Glazer United they own it that's what we are now on X a few months ago I saw Peter Peterborough Academy players talking about why they chose the club each and everyone said because of the path to the first team that's just lower league teams imagine what it's like at top clubs says Patrick Lynch exactly I know So I know two under 16, well, they're mates, kids.

54:22One of them was at a Premier League club and they were doing loads of traveling. And they left to go to a lower league club because the lower league club said, you'll literally be training with the first team straight away. And if you can prove yourself, we'll have you in a match day squad because this is what we want to do. And we want you in our first team. and we literally want you in our first team playing within the next 18 months and we want you sold in two years for profit. And they went and they're not there yet, but they went because that was a pathway into the first team and then back.

54:58And they felt it would be quicker than staying at the Premier League club where there was no pathway to the first team. You're going to have to go into the under 21s. You're going to have to work hard, this, that, and the other. And going back to go up. So if a parent is going, let's go down to that League One team and let's get in the first team in the first year and then let's get sold back into the Premier League in two years rather than let's go through the Premier League club where there's no pathway. Well, is their parent not as bad as any other parent? This is what I mean. It just goes on.

55:31Great point, Patrick. In England, the maximum pay is 4.65 until 17. In Spain, he can get tens of thousands. That's not true shenanigan. That's not true. that's not true that that's don't i'm sorry but that's not true uh footballers in england under 17 don't can't can earn a lot more than 465 pounds a week maybe on a scholarship it's 465 thousand pounds a week but if you sign a professional contract you can be on thousand max downman's not on 465 pounds a week um have there been any real success stories from the academy in recent years is killing that make future youth players question their stay i mean I think Maynou, Maynou's come from the youth, but I've seen a few people today talking about how, you know, Maynou's the guy.

56:19But Maynou, with all due respect, I really like Maynou, but at 15, Maynou was not being spoken about as the next Zidane. He was not being spoken about as the next Iniesta. There's a very big difference to what's happening here and Maynou and Rashford and Ganacho. The level that people have spoken about JJ is this player could be one of the best players in the world. And that is a big loss for United. This team is destroyed that even Bob the Builder couldn't fix it, says Z3. And if United lost the next two games, do you think Carrick's job will be in danger? Rooney threatened to take his kids out of the academy last year, says Lifetimes.

56:58well a lot of people said you need to speak to Wayne about it and I'm sure we'll talk about it on Stick to United next week but in all honesty I don't know what Wayne would say but I just I wouldn't agree I wouldn't believe anybody that said no matter what I'd keep my kids at Man United because it's Man United I think if there's no pathway or the coaching's crap or the clubs run badly and there's a better club down the road, you take them there. If you've got a five-year-old who's just starting to play football, right, and you take him to his first training session and the guy who does it doesn't even know the rules of football and then you speak to your mate at work and he says, there's a really good guy just round the corner.

57:45Are you going to leave your five-year-old with the one who's a shit coach? Are you going to take him to the good coach? That's not being a pushy parents. Stop being a pushy parent. It's about what's best for your kid, isn't it? And of course, we sometimes make bad decisions. Why is Chelsea using Strasbourg and United not Nice, says Max. And Sunrise's army says the way revenue is getting distributed around the Premier League, I don't think we'll ever get back to days where only United is the top dog. I think United's broken beyond repair. Just to go back on the summer, you've got young players wanting to go.

58:20You've got four points from 12 a shit summer transfer window but what did I tell you? we're not even part of the club anymore I don't think many people like us anymore I don't think we're a very liked football club in the Premier League because all the Premier League clubs are going there's£115 million for Anderson we'll give you£50 for Jackson you give them£115 for Morgan Rodgers and it just goes on and on and on we're just not part of the club anymore. You know what, actually, everybody's saying we're Manchester United is right. Because what have we actually got? What have we actually got apart from we're Manchester United?

59:04You know, when we go into a boardroom with another club to negotiate, what have we got apart from we're Manchester United? You know, when we turn up to a convention with all the other clubs, what have we got apart from we're Man United? Like, we're not part of it anymore. We're not. We're an absolute joke. The one thing I will say is, and I'll keep saying it, have we ever been more vulnerable? Have we ever been more vulnerable as a football club? We just need somebody to step forward and try and buy it because I really do think there is a movement in the stadium and outside that everybody's had enough and they just want change.

59:41But somebody has to step forward. Another lie from Sir Jim Radcliffe, You know, if I'm not liked, I'll leave. Still here. Everything he has said has ended up being not true. Look, there's a very good, I'll read this out. This is from Oliver Holt, who writes for the Daily Mail. And he basically said, Manchester United were once the club that grew the Busby Babes and matured and nurtured the class of 92. That club disappeared a long time ago and labours now under the yoke of the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe. Is it really a surprise JJ Gabriel wants to leave? couldn't put it any better. We were once a great club that grew the Busby Babes and the Class of 92, but that club's disappeared.

1:00:24It's gone because the Glazers destroyed it. So why would you blame anybody for wanting to leave? And why would a fan be going, wow, if he doesn't want to follow in the steps of Duncan Edwards and David Beckham, then he can get out of our club. But that club doesn't exist anymore. As I said, if JJ was at United 20 years ago with Sir Alex, and Rooney and Ronaldo coming through, you wouldn't want to go anywhere. You wouldn't. Thanks everyone for watching. Stay safe, take care, and I'll speak to you in a bit. Match day today as well.

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