


15 Sep 2026 · 42m · 15 chapters

United Stands podcast episode focused on J.J. Gabriel’s reported transfer request to leave Manchester United, arguing it exposes a lack of first-team pathway for youth under the Glazer-era club. The host also previews Manchester United vs Brighton, saying United should play strong and avoid heavy rotation.
No named guests appear in the transcript. The host mentions “Wayne” (likely Wayne Rooney) and says he’ll discuss it later, but no guest is present in this episode.
United publicly promoted JJ as a “generational talent” yet don’t integrate youth (e.g., Bruno rarely subbed; Rashford starts; Yoro/Santos/other signings not breaking through). The host blames club ownership/board for destroying the pathway, not JJ’s father. He argues big clubs (City/PSG/Real/Barca/Arsenal) would use JJ immediately.
Comparisons to Dortmund/City/Madrid nurturing Bellingham, Haaland, etc.; mentions Aidan Heaven, Leny Yoro, Amad, Lacey, Sesko, Cunha, Rashford, Bruno, and Carrick. Mentions Brighton’s European involvement (Conference League) and top-six league position.
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Discussion on JJ Gabriel's desire to leave Manchester United and the implications.
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Discussion on JJ Gabriel's desire to leave Manchester United and the implications.
“Gabriel, the generational talent in Man United's youth system, Wants to leave Manchester United.”
Analysis of Manchester United's youth development failures and club management.
“Bruno should be handing a transfer request in as well.”
Discussion on the implications of a young talent wanting to leave Manchester United.
“And a lot of people are saying, well, maybe it'll be the next Ganaccio.”
Critique of the board and management failures impacting player retention and club success.
“And look, I'm not here to sack people, sadly.”
Analysis of Manchester United's inability to successfully integrate and develop young players.
“premieres September 24th on FX and Hulu.”
The discussion focuses on the perceived failures of Manchester United's youth development and the frustrations of fans regarding player pathways.
“I'd rather take my chance at Chelsea, says Avatar.”
The hosts discuss JJ's decision to request a transfer, analyzing its implications for the player and the club's current situation.
“He was expected to potentially get off the bench tomorrow.”
The conversation examines how the current management's decisions affect young players' opportunities and overall club culture.
“Also, we got Heaven, who all of a sudden doesn't get a minute and now Arsenal...”
The hosts analyze how media coverage and fan reactions contribute to narratives around young players seeking transfers.
“They feel their career is better elsewhere.”
A reflection on Manchester United's historical status and how it contrasts with the current state of the club.
“And I, you know, I can't argue with that.”
Discussion on the challenges facing young players at big clubs like Manchester United in a competitive landscape.
“Please read my whole heaven comment, Mark, says Marlowe.”
The hosts preview the upcoming match against Brighton, discussing tactics and necessary adjustments for success.
“Santos, 48 million, can't get in the first team.”
Discussion on strategies and expectations for the upcoming match against Brighton.
“I think he needs to win and he needs to beat Fulham as well.”
Exploration of issues within Manchester United's management and ownership.
“There might be a section that's Carrick out in a week's time.”

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1:44Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and it's one crisis to another for United. Inexplicably, amazingly, stunningly, J.J. Gabriel, the generational talent in Man United's youth system, Wants to leave Manchester United. The removal of all the Man United profile from his Instagram clearly was a precursor to where we are today. He wants to leave Manchester United immediately. He wants out. He's not training. This is enormous. Absolutely huge. And you know what I would say straight away? There's a lot to unpick here. And we are going to preview Brighton as well, which is a game I thought he was going to be playing in, which he clearly won't.
2:27This is the club's fault. I agree with Lee Hutton. It's not his dad's fault. It's the club fault. There's two things I want to say here. And I didn't do a video earlier because I really wanted to wait until as many journalists as possible had had their say. And as many people online had had their say so I could survey it all and go, here we are. Because I almost want to sit here tonight and predict Man United are going to be top of the league at Christmas. because the amount of things we've predicted would happen over the last six months keeps happening. Remember when we were called negative in the summer because we said the window was shit and now everyone's going it's shit.
3:04I did a video in March and January saying that if we don't nurture JJ and give him time, he'll go and he's going. So I sit here tonight, not surprised. I'm not blaming his dad. I'm not blaming him. If I and some of you knew in January and April that if we don't start using him, he will leave, then I don't agree with the people going, well, he's got to be patient. He doesn't need to be fucking patient. Real Madrid, Man City, PSG are begging him to go, saying we'll utilise you. And Man United, who sack managers every couple of years, are going, you've got to be patient. Who do Man... What do Man United know about nurturing players?
3:41If I'm JJ or his dad or his agent, I'm not going, oh yeah, I'm actually going to trust you. You've got such a good track record. It's not 1992 anymore. it's incredible to me. And you know all those United fans there who are getting this feeling of loyalty and get out of my club if you don't want to be here. Ignore that. Ignore that feeling of loyalty and this is my club and we're Man United. Ignore that. That doesn't exist anymore. You're operating back 20 years ago. This whole, well, if he doesn't want to be here, get him out of the club. You should be ignoring that, you idiots. That doesn't exist.
4:19No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't sit there going, get out of my club. If you don't want to play here, you can go. That's just some PR bullshit that they're playing on your heartstrings for. That doesn't exist anymore. You've forgotten that the day that, you know, the Glazers got in with the gym. Forget that. All these people online going, get out of our club if he's not good. You know, don't care how good he is if he doesn't want to be here. No, no, no, no, no. That doesn't work anymore. We sat back and watched half a workforce get sacked. we're sitting back and watching a stadium that's you know really should be listed getting knocked down we're a billion pounds in debt we've been nowhere near a title in 13 years oh no no no you don't get to sit there and go we're Manchester United if you don't want to be here you can fuck off what a load of crap I've never heard such shit in all my life and as for blaming his dad oh so we're now gonna we're gonna blame a 15 year old and his dad over the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe who have systematically destroyed this club brick by brick over the last 20 years and taken it from something that meant something to a shell of itself.
5:22There's only one set of people responsible for this, and that's the owners. Absolutely the owners. And what I find fascinating as well is that I see people I respect online going after JJ and his dad because client journalists are saying it's their fault. So we don't respect these client journalists when they're talking about transfers or they're rimming the glazers. But now, because we want to go after a 15-year-old and his dad, now we do. Oh, now Luckhurst's preaching the truth. Oh, is he? I thought he was the guy who speaks shit. You know what? Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but I've read it all this afternoon before I've done this video.
6:03And the first thing I thought when I saw it was I could see it coming a bloody mile off. The clips there, it's out on social media. I said it in January. I said it in April. I could see this coming a mile off. It's not a shock to me. And the reason I could see it is because where's the pathway at Manchester United to fulfil your generational talent? If Jude Bellingham had come to Man United, he wouldn't be the player he is now. If Erling Haaland had come to Man United, he wouldn't be the player now. There are United fans who go, oh, Oli was so close to getting Haaland and Bellingham. No way would we have nurtured them the way Dortmund did, the way Man City and Madrid have.
6:39We wouldn't nurture them. So I'm sorry. There's a huge part of me that if I am the agent of JJ or his dad, I'm going, this probably isn't the place to be. Where's the pathway to the first team when he never takes fucking Bruno off? Where's the pathway to the first team when Rashford's back on the wing? Where's the pathway to the first team when you've got Kunya, Ahmad, Embermo, Rashford, Bruno, Lacey, Mount? Where's the pathway to the first team? It's not there. And you know what? I'd also look at it and go, he doesn't pick Yoro. He's not picking Santos. Kunya's being played out of position. These are experienced multi-million pound saying.
7:21So when they say to me, we want you to be patient, I'd go, you know what? You either use him or we're going. And that's got nothing to do about thinking you're bigger than Man United. If you behave like Everton, you become Everton. And if Everton produce a generational talent like Rooney, they're gone. You can't moan about the ownership of this football club and say, we've got no ambition, we're behaving like Everton. And then when things that happen to Everton go, well, get out of my club. Remember the fucking PR we've had for the last eight months as well from the club. Go and find the articles.
8:00Oh, the club are really excited about JJ. They feel they've got a generational talent in JJ. JJ, Gabriel, everyone's so excited about him. Oh, you know, he's tearing, he's scored another hat trick in the under-21s. Oh, he's going to be amazing. United are so excited about JJ. Well, they're not now, are they? Within an hour of him handing in a transfer request, they're like, well, you know, he's not that good. Yeah, you know, it's just a pound Landling guard. You know, it's laughable. We don't spend big money on people like Tonali Anderson anymore because we're focusing on the youth. And then the best youth player we've got is leaving.
8:36So somebody tell me what the policy is at Man United. We won't spend big because we're trying to promote youth. And then the best youth player we've got wants out. It's a damning, damning statement of what a mess that football club is. my only saving grace is that Bruno Fernandes hasn't done this. I don't know for the life of me why Bruno's not done it. The club's a fucking stinking mess. It's going nowhere. Bruno should be handing a transfer request in as well. You know, it would be absolutely justifiable. But look, you get one career. Daumann was making his debut for Arsenal a year ago. They reckon that this Gabriel is at least as good as Daumann.
9:19He is nowhere near matchday squads. Nowhere near. Carrick is fighting for his life. I think you look at that as an agent and you go, Man United are going to be in the trenches this season. You've got fucking no chance of getting anywhere near that team this year. So what are we doing? And if the decision is this is not the place for me to be, you ask to leave. You know what? it defies logic to me that people have a problem with it. We literally spend week after week, year after year talking about what a shit show the club is. And when somebody actually exposes it and goes, this is a shit show.
10:01I don't want to be here. We go, they're in the wrong. I'm baffled by it. And I'm baffled by people believing client. His dad may as well walk around in a bloody Voldemort outfit. He's been betrayed as a criminal for looking out for the best interests of his son, if that's even true. And apparently, it's not about money anyway. It's about a pathway to building his career out. And to be honest with you, I'd look at the way Man United play on the pitch. I'd look at the players we've got. I'd look at their mentalities and I'd go, look, put it this way. If you've got a 15-year-old generational talent and you can put them at Real Madrid, PSG, Barcelona, Man City or Man United, apart from the heartstrings of loving Man United, why the fuck would you do it?
10:55Why would you do it? Man City, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona have got better players, better development and a better environment. At Man United, you're surrounded by a bunch of bottlers, a bunch of failures and a club that's going nowhere fast. Why would you waste your development there? I'm sorry, I completely get it. I do. And I know some people disagree with me, but the Man United you're prolonging your hurt for doesn't exist anymore. Oh, you know, if he doesn't want to be here, he can go. You're just a glazer. That's exactly what they want you to do. They want you to keep swallowing their shit.
11:32They want you to keep chanting this We're Manchester United nonsense So you'll buy another fucking shirt That looks like a kit when we used to be good So you'll buy another corporate season ticket So you'll turn up and buy a load of merch on match day You're just being conned Oh, if he doesn't want to be here at Man United He can go, he's an enemy No, he's somebody who's ambitious Ambition and Man United don't go hand in hand anymore It's, you know, honestly if you're sat there as a fan saying I don't rate Carrick I don't rate this team I don't rate Wilcox I don't rate Barada I don't rate the Glazers and I don't rate Sir Jim Radcliffe why would you stay?
12:16other than we're Manchester United you get one life
12:23maybe he has got an ego maybe he does think he's going to be the next Shamel well you're probably better off going somewhere where you can be the next Shamel because we'd fuck Jamal up as well. Jamal wouldn't be the player he is. I know it's horrible, but it's not shocking. This is the club and all these client journalists doing the Glazers work, trying to make him and his dad and his agent the villain. Listen to the last few minutes. Where's the pathway? Now, some people are saying it's because Amas and Lacey got to come on in the Champions League game last week. I don't think it's that. I really don't.
12:57He was going to play tomorrow night. I don't think it says simple as, you know, he didn't get to play in the Sabah game. I think it's about a pathway. And I think that it's about trust and it's about belief. And if you were in his position and Jason Wilcox was saying, you will get opportunities in this team. You've just got to be patient. I'd be looking at Lenny Oro. I'd be looking at Aidan Heaven and I'd be going, they've been here for two years. They've played in the team. They've played well. They're still sat on the bench. There's no bloody pathway. And I'm not even a defender. And I'm not a midfielder.
13:36I'm an attacker. Where am I getting in? Benjamin Sesko, 68 million, can't get in the team. Kunja, 60 million, out of position. Rashford, not meant to be here, starting every week on the wing. Bruno, never comes off. Where is my pathway into this team in the next couple of years? Because it's not there. it's not there. And if you can't provide a pathway to the first team, what's the point in being a talent at Manchester United? And a lot of people are saying, well, maybe it'll be the next Ganaccio. Maybe it'll be the next Messi. I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I think until they start playing for the first team, I don't know.
14:11But a lot of people have said for a long time that he is very, very special. And it's embarrassing, embarrassing that Manchester United have a talent like that that wants to leave. it's embarrassing this wouldn't happen at a big club it very rarely happens at a big club and the fact that he wants out completely and utterly exposes the shit show that Man United is under the glazers 20 years of this 20 years have taken us to this point we literally are Everton We literally are. We've got a shit transfer budget. And now people want to leave us to go elsewhere for their career. I mean, how embarrassing is that?
15:05I said it to Wayne on Stick to United. I've said it to him no loads of time. You wouldn't be at Man United now. We wouldn't even bid for you now. We don't sign Wayne Rooney anymore. We don't sign Van Nistelrooy anymore. We don't sign Roy Keane anymore. We don't sign Van Nistelrooy. The whole club is not Manchester United anymore. and this today evidences that exactly exactly players wanting to leave we've been doing this to clubs for years oh there's a 15 year old who plays for Coventry wants to come to Man United oh there's a 15 year old who plays for Dundee United wants to come to Man United oh there's a 15 year old at Southampton that wants to come to Man United we're that club now we're that club with the 15 year old who wants to go somewhere else it's sad but it's who we are and I can't believe people are blaming the player for it.
15:56Oh, big time Charlie. He's got a massive ego. Yeah, probably has. Good for him. He needs it. If you believe in yourself and you want to be one of the best players in the world, you need a bit of an ego. You know, you want to play. You want a pathway to the top. I ain't got a problem with it at all and maybe that's because I called it eight months ago. I could see it coming eight months ago. I said he's out of contract next summer and Real Madrid and PSG and Man City and Arsenal can all talk to him. So if we don't start, I literally said it in January. If we don't put him in the team, he'd be gone.
16:35Carrick ain't going to put him in the team because he's shitting himself about results. So instead of using people like Yoro or JJ or Heaven, it will be Martinez, Maguire and Rashford. You know? And if we had a really good young right back, it'd still be Deleu. And if we had a really good left back, it would still be Luke Shaw. Because that's what we are. We're survival mode, playing the same fucking record, spinning around every bloody two years. There is no development at Man United. There isn't. There literally isn't a path. The only reason Meynou is coming through is because he was the only midfielder in the summer.
17:13If we actually had as many midfielders as we've got attackers, Meynou wouldn't get picked either. We just didn't have a midfield last summer. Last season. So look, I'll get into your comments, but I don't have a problem with what he's done. And I think, you know, it's another damning indictment on how shit this football club is. When you've got a player that the club have been telling the world is a generational talent for the last year, publicly asking to leave. I mean, how embarrassing is that? And look, I'm not here to sack people, sadly. but we keep talking about sacking managers at Manchester United.
17:52It's always Amrim out, Ten Hag out, Oli out, maybe Carrick out. Michael Carrick's got nothing to do with this. Michael Carrick doesn't do contracts. Michael Carrick doesn't sort the future out of players. This is a board failing again. Recruiting managers, spending on them and sacking them is a board failure. Not delivering a good transfer window is a board failure. Not being able to sell players is a board failure. And a 15-year-old generational talent asking to leave is a board failure. At some point, Sir Jim Radcliffe needs to figure out that his board is not best in class. It's best in ass.
18:30It's shite. It's really shit. I don't know who the individual is who's responsible, but as a board collectively, they're an absolute... They fail at everything. Absolutely everything they fail at. They're awful. So look, that's my two pennies worth. I want to get some of your comments, of course, which is what I'm going to do now. Let's have a look. Let's go from the top. So do you think it can turn around, Mark? Well, look, it's a bit like a very watered down Wayne Rooney in 2010. And if you're old enough, we're talking 16 years ago. Sir Alex Ferguson did an interview saying that Rooney had asked to leave.
19:10And it was 100 times worse than this because he was our best player. and there was this, you know, this is why probably I act like this. When Rooney did that, I was like, how could he do that to us? How could Wayne Rooney do that to us? He's so ungrateful. What a prat, right? And then he signed the new contract. It was all forgiven. It's fine. But we look back at it now and he was just being ambitious. So, you know, it can turn around. Maybe JJ stays, but it doesn't change the fact that they would have to persuade him to stay and give him what he wants, which they weren't going to do in the first place.
19:51So maybe it can turn around, but he's got the club by the balls. I mean, and look as well, I think he's right, but how small time are we now as a football club that a 15-year-old talent has us by the balls? you know it's that's how that's how that's how bad we are now it's how bad we are we can be humiliated embarrassed by a 15 year old that's how low the standards are at United 89 Stevie welcome to the members club thank you Daniel says Daniel Thompson hope you're well had a good day great episode stick to United JJ wanting to go to epitomise as the shambolic sorry state of affairs this club is in completely agree JJ should go to City, Arsenal or Chelsea says JBS you know who I feel sorry for you I feel sorry for you because it's just constant.
20:45The kick in the teeth is constant. Humiliated by 10-man Man City on Sunday. We're now going to be humiliated by a player we were all excited about leaving because the ambition at the club doesn't match his. We can't match the ambition of a fucking 15-year-old. And it's just another kick. The people who suffer is you. The Glazers won't suffer. They're bloody multi-billionaires. Sir Jim won't suffer. He's a billionaire. They don't, you know, I don't think anybody in the club actually cares. They're just business people. The only people who care are the fans. And we suffer. We get humiliated. We get embarrassed.
21:22I wish I found a way to quit supporting this football club and mentally getting affected this Sunday. My mood is on the floor, says Sully. That's what I mean. Mad people blaming the father and not the ownership. Ian, I think people blaming the player, the father or the agent are miles off. Miles off. You are trusting client journalists that you've been ridiculing all summer. You ever thought a client journalist might be doing PR for the club? Have you ever thought that the club are absolutely humiliated and embarrassed and need a PR campaign? Have you ever figured out that Man United have huge, huge marketing power?
21:59Have you ever thought that they might call in a few favours to spin this around in their way? You know what? As I said, the people getting angry with the player and the dad and the agent, why are you doing it? Because we're Manchester United. And if he doesn't want to be at Man United, he can fuck off. Like I said, ignore that feeling of pride and loyalty. That's something that doesn't exist anymore at Manchester United. And you're allowing that to kick in as a reason to blame the player and the agent and the dad. That protects the people who've removed that pride and loyalty. And that's the reason he's leaving.
22:39Because we don't have that anymore. So blame the people who've removed the thing that's making you mad with the player. Because it ain't a 15-year-old. And it ain't his dad. It's the bloody glazers. And they're still spinning you today. JJ Gabriel asking to leave Man United epitomises just how low we've fallen under the glazes. Do not let them spin it onto him to protect themselves again. If we were an ambitious club who'd been ambitious in the transfer market and had him involved, he wouldn't want to go.
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25:00He's got more ambition than most of our teams, says Kiel. He's a smart kid, wants to further his career, says Dale. Look, ultimately, nobody can convince me that Man United's a better place for his career than Man City or PSG or Barcelona or Real Madrid or Arsenal. I think he needs to go and he needs to go to City so we can be embarrassed, says Gummy. Well, apparently Santana says, apparently the United hierarchy is shocked by this news. Football moves fast and everything we do is in slow motion. Also look at how we handled the Rashford situation. But this is what I mean, Santana. I almost want us all to predict something now that's positive.
25:36And then maybe it'll happen because everything we predict that's going to go wrong goes wrong. How many of us said this window's shit and it's going to hurt us? Oh, look at where we are in the league now. Now, we've had this conversation about JJ three times in the last eight months. And United are shocked about something we were talking about eight months ago. If you don't use him and you don't pick him, he will go. Well, we're shocked he wants to go. I mean, it's just so bloody obvious. I think he needs to go and he needs to go to City. We've done that from Gummy. Do you think him leaving has anything to do with the past two managers' refusal to integrate youth into the first team, says Tyler?
26:17Look, you could look at that. You could look at that. But I think the big problem is, if you're good enough, you're young enough. And people will say, well, he's only 15. Wayne Rooney was 16. Dowman was 15. Like, Jamal was very, very young. Messi was very young. If somebody's saying, if you come to our club, we'll play you, and Man United are going to be patient, and the club that's saying come to us and we'll play you has a better track record than us, you're going to want to go. You're going to want to go. look, put yourself in his shoes. Maybe PSG are saying, if you come to PSG, you'll be in the Matchday squad every week.
26:54We'll use you. It's the French League. Maybe not the Champions League, but it's the French League will use you. And Man United are saying, you've got to be patient, wait a year or two. What are you going to do? PSG want you, and they're going to use you. Or Man United, where you can't, where United might be in the bottom half of the table this season. You're never going to get used. Carrick might be fighting for his job for the next 18 months. He'll never use you. United's not the place for a young generational talent anymore. I'm sorry. And that's disgusting, isn't it? But it's not. How many minutes are Lacey and Amas going to get, realistically, this season?
27:28Whether they're good enough or not. Especially if you're an attacker. Amad, Embermo, Mount, Bruno, Xerxes, Sesco, Cunha, Rashford. You're not getting any time. You're not getting any time. And every game's a bloody cup final. We can't even beat Hull and bloody Everton. As if he's going to give you time against Coventry. It's just not going to happen. enough no wonder an ambition talent wants to leave this bloody circus united can't develop youth they're not serious there has to be riots as marlo mark do you know michael oliver has refereed eight manchester derby's including the one on suddy at satan reman i don't give a shit about i actually don't give a shit about the officials or var we didn't lose because of michael oliver and we didn't lose because of var we lost because we're shit and we played against 10 men for most of the game and we couldn't score a goal that's why we lost uh i totally agree mark Mark, if I were a young rising star, I wouldn't want to develop my career at Man United right now.
28:19I'd rather take my chance at Chelsea, says Avatar. The mystery man says, Carrick won't play youth like Oli relies on older players that have proven they will let us down. Writing was on the wall when he got a pitiful 17 minutes in pre-season. United don't develop players, says the mystery man. I'm so mad with the agenda these so-called fans are spreading. We're at the point the fans are hating and blaming a child and not the ownership. Well, I'd never really thought about it, that dark thoughts, but yeah, absolutely spot on. You're going after a minor instead of the Glazers. And, you know, people are masking it by saying, well, I'm not going after a minor, I'm going after his dad, who you know nothing about.
28:56I even saw somebody do an article today about how he's changed his name. And people went, oh, he's obviously got a massive ego then, hasn't he? Trying to make himself sound more glamorous. I'm like, we're literally going after people in their name now over the Glazers who took a club that wasn't in debt, put it into billions of debt, have never spent a penny on it, have destroyed our football ground and our football club. It's crazy to me, but this is how they manipulate the fan base with their client journalists. I'm so mad, done that one, Dark Thoughts. It's telling that he decided this before potentially being picked to play.
29:33He chose this before even a first team chance that would show some commitment. Absolutely damning to what we are in 2026 as a club. That to me is the comment of the night, Nick. JJ was in the squad tomorrow. He was expected to potentially get off the bench tomorrow. And he's chosen to say, get lost. I don't want it. So it's not about game time, is it? It's about, I don't see a pathway here. And we don't know what that story is. He may have had a meeting with Favell or Wilcox or Barada and they've said to him, not this season, you know, not this season. and he's gone, yeah, but if I'm at PSG or Arsenal, it is this season.
30:11So I don't want to be here then. Oh, you've got to be patient. Why have I got to be patient? What have you done at this football club in the last 10 years that shows me this is the place to be? I don't want to be here. Oh, come on, let's not be stupid. No, I don't want to be here. Oh, but you're playing against Brighton. What, in a Carabao Cup game? Will I be involved in a month in the Premier League team? No. Ridiculous, Mark. Sorry, he's 15. this word would have happened in any scenario. Madrid, Bethway, pathway better than Mbappe and Vinny never come off. It's his dad, says Marble Whoopper.
30:41But mate, you just, I mean, thanks for the comment, but you've just proven the point. Where's the evidence that he's dad? And again, you're saying because he's 15, he shouldn't be doing it. As I said to you, mate, all that's happening there is this pride and loyalty to Manchester United is kicking in. When Manchester United is only 15, who does he think he is? you're doing something about a club that existed 20, 30 years ago. That club with Keane doesn't exist anymore. Or Cantona, it doesn't exist anymore. Or Rooney, it doesn't exist anymore. Oh, he should get his head down and work hard. What?
31:17It's a shit show? Run by poison? You're just letting a world that doesn't exist anymore play on your heartstrings. And that's what the Glazers want. Hey, Marble, I think they're going to release another replica kit that looks like the 1993 kit. Get it for Christmas, mate. You're exactly the sort of customer they're looking for. Also, we got Heaven, who all of a sudden doesn't get a minute and now Arsenal... I mean, look, Marlowe's absolutely spot on. Aidan Heaven is probably the best example of all. Every game I've seen Aidan Heaven play, brilliant. Obviously, he makes mistakes because he's young, but, you know, looks like he could be one of the best centre-backs in England.
32:00Can't get a look in now. because M &M are back, aren't they? As a parent, I'm talking, taking my kids to Madrid, says Duffy. Sad, even the kids that grow up in the academy don't want United. Paul Wee wants... But you know what, Duffy? I think Van Persie, the Fletcher brothers, a lot of ex-Man United players had their kids at City and have their kids at City. Arndt says, facts after facts, Mark spot on. E-Dog says, Mark, my dad knows JJ's dad, an agent from his time in London. There's a lot more to do with it, which isn't online. I don't mind selling you privately, says Dog. Yeah, but mate, there might be something, right?
32:39There might be something. But ultimately, what can there be that isn't what we've spoken about for the last half an hour? What can there be? He wants him to be part of the first team squad this year. Well, you've got to wait. Well, another club will have him as part of the first team squad. Doesn't matter whether you're 15, 19 or 22.
33:04It doesn't make any difference to me. And unfortunately, the club is run like a shit show. And they're embarrassed again. And look, tomorrow morning, you know what they're going to be saying on those radio stations. You know what's going to be said. But all I hear when I hear people saying is 15 years of age. His dad's got in his head. All I hear is, we're Manchester United. We're Manchester United. Who does he think he is? We're Manchester United. He's only 15. Who does it? He should be getting his head down and working hard. Like the class of 92. We're Manchester United. That's, I get it why people do it, but you are in, you've been, you know, the Pied Piper glazes have absolutely poisoned you.
33:51You're shouting about something that doesn't exist. We're Manchester United. When are we Manchester United? Where's this Manchester United gone? Where is this Manchester United that pride's kicking in for? Ignore that pride. Ignore that pride and look at it for what it is. It's an ambitious young player who doesn't feel that their career is at Man United. They feel their career is better elsewhere. It's amazing how quick he is made to be the problem, says David. Yeah, but it doesn't surprise me, David. David, it doesn't surprise me. Look, I don't want to make this about us, but what happened in the summer?
34:27Started calling out in July, the crap transfer window. Started saying it's worrying. Started saying this is going to be a problem. Remember what I said? It's almost like there's bots out there. There's a block Goldbridge campaign that's getting hundreds of thousands of views. You know, my DMs are full of abuse. Oh, Goldbridge is the worst thing that's happened to Man United. This was all happening in July Why? Because I was saying the transfer window is shit and it's going to cause problems when the season starts. There was literally a block Goldbridge campaign. And all I was saying is this window is shit.
35:00It's going to really hurt us this season. Four points from 12. Oh, it happened. So it doesn't surprise me how quickly people are going after a 15 year old in his family. because there has to be a deflection. There has to be a deflection. And you know what? I think some of these journalists would do well to remember they're talking about a minor. You're not talking about a player from France that you don't like because he's not got a British passport. You're talking about a 15-year-old that need to tread carefully about what they're putting out there to defend the club because whilst it might get your press conference access, you're still talking about a minor who ultimately probably doesn't think Man United is the place for him.
35:51And I, you know, I can't argue with that. If Bruno Fernandes slapped in a transfer request last month, I'd have gone... I mean, you never know, but I think I would have gone, I don't blame him. I actually don't blame him. If Bruno Fernandes handed a transfer request in last month, what would you have done? I think I'd have stood up and gone, this is going to absolutely screw us, but maybe we need to get screwed to realise how much we've been screwed. There are people out there that would like to see United relegated because they think if it really goes wrong, the Glazers are gone. I'm fed up of being lied to.
36:34I'm fed up of the papering of the cracks. the more people in that club that expose it for what it is the better so maybe JJ stays maybe he goes but they've been promoing him for a year a year ago our Wilcox has done a great job to keep him at the club well who's done a great job now JJ's 15 he doesn't know the United some of these people are talking about says Yusuf exactly exactly exactly Exactly. I couldn't put it any better. Everyone who's going after JJ and his family and his agent, you're talking about a world that existed 20 years ago. We're Man United. If he doesn't want to be here, fuck off.
37:16It's Man United. Who does he think he is? You're talking about a world that existed before he was even born. You're blaming somebody that wasn't even born when the Glazers plunged us into debt. The Glazers have been doing this to this football club for two decades. This The man United that you're clinging on to with your heartstrings, has never been there for him. These are exactly the people we've been talking about for a long time. We're going to hit a point where players see, the only man United players know is the shit United. The only United they know is the United that behaves like Everton.
37:58So stop using the standards of 20 years ago because they don't exist anymore because the Glazers fucking took them and threw him into the sewer. What's so wrong with a father wanting his son to develop in a better environment? Exactly, Ike. Please read my whole heaven comment, Mark, says Marlowe. I will go back. What advice would you give Kai Rooney if Wayne asked you? Wayne doesn't need me to do that, Simon. And look, the brief time I've spent with Wayne, I think he will obviously want his son to play for Manchester United. I don't think there's any prospect of that happening but I know nothing about that but I don't know how good he is compared to what else is in that set up and is there a pathway and I can't speak for Wayne but if there's no pathway to the first team for his son you take him somewhere else don't you major blame lies with his fans honestly we champion mediocre players tactics managers board can't even unite to stop going to games says Shin.
39:04We've been humbled by a kid born in 2010, says Shadow. I think kids Gabrielle or Kukonki should be getting first team, but for some reason that seems to be hesitation. Look, as I said, Garzilla, you've got JJ and other young players, Rooney, etc. down here wanting at some point to be getting game time and a pathway to the first team. And then you look up and you go, Lenny Oro, £50 million, can't get in the first team. Sesco, £70 million, can't get in the first team. Heaven, can't get in the first team. Kunio came in last summer, had a good season, now being played out of position. These are not young players.
39:41Santos, 48 million, can't get in the first team. So what chance have you got as a young player when the club hasn't invested millions in you and they're not getting in the team? I mean, it's not even that there's not a pathway for the youth. There's not a pathway for some experienced players. Does this create a movement like Lacey wants to follow JJ, says Whitey? I mean, I think it's different for Lacey. You know, he'll probably play tomorrow. He's had a few minutes. It's different. The Amazon documentary is going to be embarrassing, says J4. New retro kit sounds good, says Marble. I just think that demanding termination when you're stuck till June is petulant and unadvised.
40:19It is Marble. You know, I do agree with you there. I mean, we've not spoken about that. He's got a contract till next June and he wants to terminate it early. But there's clearly been a falling out. and when you ask to leave it's only the same as a player handing a transfer request in people say you've got a contract honour it how many people actually honour their contract when they're unhappy so it's unusual but things are clearly bad Ivan said and he has to leave by the way by now I think he has to leave I think Man United trying to make him stay I think he probably has to leave it's best for him to leave that's the sad part in all this if the agent really cares for the future of this kid.
40:59He should take him away, says Ivan. Mark, don't you not have the funds to persuade him to stay? What about the savings from the transfer windows, says Royal? No one is bigger than the club except the Glazers, says War Machine. Young players can't make it in big teams when the starting team can't control games currently. Big clubs like City and Madrid dominate, says Brighton. Yeah, you can't put a young player in a team that's got 45 % possession. Watch Carrick play Shaw, Bruno and Cunha tomorrow, says Class of 99. With Manchester United is now a corporate slogan. I tell you what, Lassie, We're Manchester United has earned the Glazers millions of pounds of money and kept them in place.
41:35They've played on the We're Man United thing for 20 years. Not new news. We've lost that. I don't know what that means is Constantine. What about the preview? Well, I'm like pistol. I think Carrick's got to go strong tomorrow. I mean, I don't know what Brighton are going to do. They're in Europe. They're in the Conference League. They're in the top six in the Premier League. They may make a lot of changes. it's the international break next week. We don't need to rotate. I think he needs to win and he needs to beat Fulham as well. So look, I haven't previewed Brighton because I don't know how Brighton are going to play.
42:08I don't know how we're going to play. All I'm going to say is, I think he's got to go strong. Some people think he should pick people like Amas and Lacey and Yaro and Heaven. Maybe he can pick some of those, but I think he's got to win the game. I think he's got to win the game. Apparently the United hierarchy, I've done that one from Santana. Let's have a look, find this one from Marlow because I've read everything here.
42:32Marlowe said Arsenal signed United's biggest defensive talent he will surpass heaven yeah Arsenal did buy a couple of our players recently as well that went under the radar didn't it I forget the names of the players but two young players signed for Arsenal a couple of weeks ago so we're starting to hemorrhage young players now we won't spend big on the market because we're going to bring through young players and young players are leaving we've lost three now in the last few weeks We only sign players that want United, yet that generation is sailing on by and the new generation don't even want to give us a chance.
43:04Future's fuck, says Joel. Look, what we need are new owners and what we need are people like you and me in that boardroom, in that club. We need people who know what Man United's all about. We need people that know what's going to happen. We are literally predicting the future. Beth messaged me today and she said, you literally called this six months ago. I'm the summer. And I said, yeah, but I'm not a bloody genius. I've just been around this cycle too many times and I don't trust the ownership. What do you want to know for Christmas? After the fan base will be singing Carrick out? I think they will.
43:42If he doesn't produce a miracle, by Christmas there'll be a section of this fan base that's Carrick out. What are my words? Doesn't mean he'll lose his job, but there will be. There might be a section that's Carrick out in a week's time. Anyway, look, thank you so much, everybody, for tuning in. I know it's been very JJ-centric, but actually if you scratch the surface, it's not. There's more to it than that. I am live on That's Football watching Spurs-Liverpool at 8 o 'clock. You can join in with me for that. And I'm back with you at 10 o 'clock tomorrow. Don't forget to check out Stick to United.
44:15I think it was a brilliant episode today. We normally only do an hour. It was 75 minutes and did not get no agenda, really. It just went back and forth for 75 minutes with me and Wayne about United. I can't wait to talk to him about this because he's got a son, Kai, in the youth setup. So I'd be interested to know what Rooney's thoughts are. And also, he's not going to come out and say the club's shit, is he? So he might come out and say things like, you know, you've got to get your head down and stuff like that. So I think it'll be a very interesting conversation when we do that. Take care, everyone.
44:47Loved the show. Thanks for all your comments. Get them in. Check out Stitch United. In my first super chat on this channel, I voiced my concern that Carrick won't attract top players. he's also a factor in top youngsters not staying. Well, Mateus Fernandes said it. De Zerbe persuaded him to go to Tottenham. Carrick clearly didn't. Or whoever spoke to him, maybe it was Wilcox, I don't know. You've got young players that don't trust the process and you've got signings that don't trust the process. So you end up with shit. Speak to you on in a bit. Take care.
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