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1:37To the United Stands, I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news. And I tell you what, in years to come, I think this September 2026 international break, it's going to go down in the history books. Has there ever been one like it? It's absolutely incredible. The enormity of these Man City charges, well, not charges, guilt, will be felt for many, many, many years ahead. And right now, we're just picking up the pieces. I see some United fans out there laughing and smiling about this. I mean, I just think morons. I mean, The last 15 years of football is a scam, a sham, to coin the words of the Premier League.

2:20It's fraudulent. It's not real. We may as well have watched the bloody episode of Hollyoaks. It's totally and utterly scripted because somebody cheated. And we are owed titles. And look, it didn't stop in 2018, by the way. A lot of people are saying, why are the charges only going up to 2018? Well, there's numerous explanations for that. Maybe there's no evidence after that. Maybe there's no hacked emails after then, but why would it stop? Why would it have stopped in 2018? There is so much to unpack this morning. I'm sure you've got lots of opinions of yourself, but I predominantly remain very angry.

2:58Man United could be suing Manchester City for tens of millions of pounds. We'll talk about why and how that will happen. But look, I know there's a lot of funny memes out there and I know there are certain United fans out there who are just constantly laughing about it because it's Man City and their arrival. But I don't know. I sort of moved past that. I think it's a little bit like the Super League again, but Man City are the evil in this because everybody's been cheated. Everybody has been robbed. We've literally been robbed of titles. I mean, fortunately, we've got so many of them. It doesn't, it does still matter, but we've had loads of titles.

3:36But I think it's, I think it's disgusting. And I think that where I would applaud all of you and, you know, the wider football is that we've been doing the United stand for over 10 years. I don't think there's a month gone by where we haven't at some point said how are Man City getting away with this? I mean, I'm looking at like, you know, Lineker comes to mind, match of the day over the years, him talking about how great Pep is. is this a better Man City side than Sir Alex Ferguson's side, glazing them like they're the greatest thing in the world. And he's not the only one, by the way. But what I would say to Lineker and co is you've sat on national TV for years glazing Man City and are they the best team the Premier League's ever had?

4:28I and many of you for over a decade have been going, this ain't right. There's something really obviously wrong here. and I'm sort of at that point with the Premier League as well. Why did you need hacked emails to figure this out? The normal football fan knew there was something dodgy years ago. I mean, I remember doing a video 10 years ago saying, how have Man City got the same revenue as us? How are Man City approaching Real Madrid levels of revenue? It just doesn't make any sense. It's like living on Millionaire's Row and across the road there's Real Madrid and you know they've made their money over decades from gold.

5:07And then next door, you've got Barcelona and they've made their money from decades from silver. And you've made your money from the stock market over decades. And you know why they're a millionaire. You know why they're a millionaire. Man City come in next door, never go to fucking work, and they're making as much money as everybody else. And we're all meant to sit there and go, oh, that's fine. It's their business. It was so bloody obvious. And it's not hindsight. It's not hindsight. I know we've spoken about it. I know other people have spoken about it. I remember specifically talking about it 10 years and going, how can they have revenue as much as us?

5:44It's got to be inflated revenue. They don't have the fan base to justify that revenue. And they don't have, no sponsor would be paying them as much as us because we're Man United with a huge fan base and a huge history. You don't get sponsorship deals like that unless something dodgy is happening. And fans used to say it and you get laughed at. Oh, shut up, you bitter twats. Oh, you know, you turn the telly on, Man City, the greatest thing ever. People turned a blind eye. People were either stupid in the media or they turned a blind eye in the media. Either way, you look fucking stupid today because fans knew.

6:22I think even Man City fans knew deep down, but, you know, rival fans knew there was something not right there. Why did the Premier League need hacked emails? The scary thing is, if we hadn't had those hacked emails, nothing would have probably happened. £900 million, over£900 million, put through Man City, basically in footballing terms, illegally. And when I say illegally, I'm not talking about criminal charges, although they could be coming down the road. What I'm saying is they broke the Premier League rules by putting £900 million in over that period between 2009 and 2018 that they shouldn't have done.

7:05You can buy a lot of sham players, as James Duker said, with£900 million. I mean, look, 900 million pounds up until 2018. That's nearly 10 years ago as well. Paul Pogba 10 years ago went for 89 million pounds. Nowadays, you're paying 115. So 900 million pounds between 2009 and 2018 is well over a billion in today's money with inflation. So this is incredible amounts of money that has been put through by breaking the rules. And you know what? I don't like these rules. Even as a United fan, I don't like these rules. They're anti-competitive and they allow the Glazers to stay in power. And there is a little bit about the Glazers I want to talk about in a bit.

7:49And people are talking about Barada. We'll talk about that as well. There's a lot to unpack, of course. But I don't like these rules because basically, if you want to get into the top four, you've got to do what Man City have done. Newcastle and Villa have got the money, but they can't do it without breaking the rules. So there's something wrong with the rules. but also these rules that are meant to make it easier for us actually make it harder for us because Man United could spend the money that Man City have spent and dominate European football not just the Premier League but because we've got tight-ass owners they're protected by these rules that stop people joining the top four club so I don't like these rules it's nothing to do with Man City I don't think these rules help Man United fans because the Glazers just can hover around the top five because we've got more revenue and we've got financial advantages over other clubs, but they don't spend any money.

8:40So I don't like these rules. I'd rather have a more level playing field where if you've got rich owners, you can be more successful because our owners would be gone then. However, Man City can never say that these rules were restrictive to them because they didn't fucking abide by the rules. They broke them. Nobody benefited more from these rules than Manchester City because they're the only club that broke them. So they absolutely did benefit massively from what's gone on. But I just feel now it's about what happens next. From a Manchester United point of view, I was reading the Manchester Evening News this morning, and this is really pertinent, right?

9:20And I'm sure you've got a lot of opinions and we'll talk about Barada and we'll Talk about, you know, legacy. But I am not one of those Man United fans that this morning is sat there laughing and excited. I'm sad and angry. I don't, I quite like the last 10 years of Man City, to be honest. We've never gone toe-to-toe with Liverpool in anything really in the Premier League era. We've always been, you know, at different stages. The Arsenal rivalry was very good in the late 90s. We had Chelsea a little bit with Mourinho. Man City's probably been a bit of a rivalry over the last 10 years. They've been better than us, but there has been a bit of a rivalry there, a local rivalry.

9:59To have that removed is very sad. But I'm also very angry. I would argue with anybody about this. How can you look back on the last 15 years of Premier League football and how can any of those memories mean anything now? We've had a huge... As I said last night on That's Football, if you played a board game of Monopoly or Scrabble or whatever board game you want to play, or you go online and you play someone, you know, Formula One or wrestling or FC 27 or whatever, and you spend a lot of time playing those games. And then after 15 years, someone tells you the person you thought you were playing against Fairley cheated to the point that they were always going to win.

10:43You just wasted that 15 years. And I feel like we've wasted the last 15 years as football fans because I'm not saying United were going to win it all. We're in by the Glazers, but there's no credibility in the Premier League now. The level of cheating is so huge and so advantageous and so blatant that the last 15 years, I mean, this has got to be the most sustained level of cheating in the history of football, maybe even in sport. It's absolutely demonstrously. It's just so horrific what they've done because nobody else has done it. I mean, look, I presume no one else has done it, but 19 teams played by the rules and one of them absolutely didn't.

11:30It's incredible. But this is what it said in the Telegraph. Man United twice finished second to City during the period which covers the Chargers. 2015-16, they missed out on Champions League qualification to Manchester City on goal difference. and 2011-12 runners-up. Both saw City finish ahead of United on goal difference. Tom Murray, financial expert, explained how those campaigns will be far easier to bring a claim against rather than the 17-18 season when City beat Mourinho's United title to the title by 19 points. Goes on to say, the margins are much more narrow, whereas if someone ran away with the league, it's harder and harder to show that the only reason they ran away with the league was that they managed to get away with breaching financial regulations.

12:13Although a claim may still be months or even years away, Murray estimates that a club like United would seek compensation in the tens of millions of pounds from City. We spoke about this a few days ago, specifically pointing to those two events. Look, I wanted Van Gaal to get sacked. He may never have got sacked. I mean, can Louis Van Gaal himself sue Manchester City? He won the FA Cup and he'd have been in the top four. I don't think he'd have got sacked. We wouldn't have got Mourinho, which I wanted. But he won the FA Cup and we finished joint fourth, but fifth on goal difference to Man City.

12:54We would have been in the Champions League. 12-13, we would have won the league. We lost on goal difference to Man City. So those two are the big ones because they are such fine margins that you could easily say, look, you cheated and we missed out on goal difference. So I think that there's definitely going to be repercussions in that sense. Absolutely. But look, I don't find it comforting or exciting that Man City are going to get done. I think we're an intelligent and compassionate community here. I can definitely put my feet into Man City fans shoes I've seen a lot of Man City fans getting very angry I mean look we're run by the glazes what can we do about it who are we to say oh well you know they must have known all this that and the other we're run by the glazes so I have sympathy for those Man City fans who are waking up this morning and saying what a fucking joke we are I don't have sympathy for the ones who are still doubling down and saying they've done nothing wrong It's disgusting what they've done.

14:05But I suppose the next thing is going to be what happens from here. And I just, I don't know. I actually do think the very core of football has been rocked here. I actually do think that we're not speculating anymore, are we? Man City robbed us of the title when Aguero scored that goal. We were cheated out of a title. That's probably the biggest one. I mean, look, Steven Gerrard and Liverpool have got every right to say it as well. Was it in 2014? But 2012 is very close to 2009 when the cheating started. They beat us on goal difference to a title. And, you know, stick to United. It's brilliant.

14:49Watch it with Rooney. His opinions, being a player at that time, etc. were really interesting to listen to. But yeah, over a 38-game season, we lost to a better team. But we lost to a better team because they were basically sports doping. They cheated to build that team. If I go on bloody Football Manager and I have a code that gives me a billion pounds and I get all the best players and I win the league, I still cheated. Even though I've constructed a team that's better than everybody else, I did it by cheating. Because if Man City had built their team properly, they wouldn't have had a team that won the league in 2013, 2012.

15:26They wouldn't have done it. They wouldn't have been able to build it. That's what you need to get your head around. I still think there's Man City players out there saying, well, they can call us cheats, but they can't take away the fact that 11 players on the pitch won that title. You're really not getting the point, are you? You used a cheat code. You wouldn't have been on that pitch if they hadn't cheated. You wouldn't have been there if they hadn't cheated. It's like Roy Keane said last night. If he was a Man City player, he'd be throwing those titles in the bin because they cheated. Look, I think people need to get this around their head.

16:02Yes, we've lost to Man City a lot over the last 15 years. And a lot of the times you go, oh, my God, they're just better than us. And they have been better than us. But why are they better than us? Because they cheated. You give Villa that billion pounds or you give Newcastle that billion pounds, they'd win titles as well. Good question here from Lel says, my question is, did it stop in 2018? Absolutely not. There are so many unknowns about after 2018. Remember, this goes from 2009 to 2018. We came second to them with Oli. You know, should that have been a title or not? I suspect the reason it stops at 2018 is because that's where they've got all the evidence for.

16:50as somebody who worked in criminal investigation, financial investigation many, many years ago, you will stop your charges at the point where the evidence stops. So think of it like a serial killer, right? You might have evidence that they did 10 murders, but there might be another eight that you think they did. You're pretty sure they did, but you don't have the evidence for. So you don't just throw them in and go, well, they must have done that. You've got to have the evidence. And I think the evidence probably stopped in 2018. So the Premier League, on a very, very big case, probably sat down and went, look, we could go all the way to present day, but the evidence is weak after 2018.

17:39Let's not jeopardise the case by having to talk about 2021 when we don't have as much evidence. Let's go strong on what we've got. I think Daniel Thompson's right. There's so much more that's going to come out. There's also a point to be said here as well. And this is where I hate the Glazers, right? What if in 2018, Man City stopped putting the money in? What if they stopped putting the money in in 2018 because someone in the club said, we need to stop cheating now because we're actually so, we're making so much money legitimately. We don't need to pump money in wrongly now. It could have been in 2018 that because they'd won so many titles and because they had PEP and stuff like that, they actually did start to make legitimate money.

18:29So maybe their revenue was legitimately coming in from proper brands and proper deals, etc. But that's a bit like fraudulently getting a bank loan for half a million with an idea to open up, I don't know, a niche clothing boutique. And with that money that you've illegally got hold of, you open up this boutique and it does really well. and then five years later, you pay that money back to the bank and then you're making profit, legitimate profit. Well, you're not really, are you? Because the legitimate profit you're now making and the money you've given back that you stole, without that money, you wouldn't have been able to do it.

19:22So it's all built on fraud. So that might be another thing as well. Fruit from a poison tree. Exactly, Monty. So that might be why it stopped in 2018. But God, if anybody thinks what Man City have done between 2018 and 2026 is legit, the foundations are not legit. So anything built on it, as said there, is poisoned from that. Absolutely. But this is where I want to make it about United, right? Let's talk about Verrarder. Let's talk about the future. Let's talk about the Glazers. You know what? I've read a lot of this Man City stuff now, not just the Premier League statement. I've read a lot. A lot of people have been messaging me.

20:05You know what pisses me off from a Glazer point of view? These rules piss me off. These rules keep the Glazers in power. Because Man United has historical revenue streams, massive fan base, we will always be at the top table and other clubs won't be able to enter because to build a club you need to build a fan base and you need to build your revenue and you can only do that with success and you can't be success without spending money which you can't spend because you haven't got the revenue and you haven't got the fan base so man united are always in a strong position with these rules and if you have owners like the glazers who don't want to put money in you end up just floating around third to fifth every year making champions league money but you don't end up being successful They've wasted the opportunity of the power of these rules they give us because they don't want to spend money.

20:54But what doubled down on this and pisses me off is that Man City have cheated. But look at what it did for them. Between 2009 and 2018, they're pumping money in. They're pumping money in wrongly. But from 2018 to today, they're making shitloads of money, legitimate money. Why? Because the success put them in a position where people then were like, we'll pay you, we'll pay you, we'll give you that, we'll come to your club. Man City's cheating is horrific, but it's also evidence that if you're successful, you'll get to a point where you don't need to cheat anymore because the money's coming in. And this is something the Glazers have never figured out.

21:40They've always been cheap. They've always took dividends. They've always let things rust. They're looking to reduce the wage bill now. Success makes you rich in football. Man City stopped cheating in 2018, probably because the revenue started coming in. Success makes you rich. And the Glazers just have never figured this out at all. And it annoys me because Man United should be dominating English football. When you look at what Man City did to dominate.

22:17They broke the rules, but they gave the blueprint on how to be successful. We wouldn't need to break the rules. We could have done what Man City did legit and the Glazers don't do it. That's what pisses me off from a United point of view is that Man City broke the rules. Man United wouldn't have needed to break the rules. We could have done what Man City did if we actually had owners that knew what they're doing. Barada, Barada my kingdom for Barada a lot of people talking about him I've seen the clips, I've seen the memes people are going through his CV and saying how wouldn't he how wouldn't he know I think you'll be very very careful about this the court of public opinion has a right to talk, of course it does but I think that if you're a journalist or a content creator or anything like that be very careful about pointing the finger at Barada because you could find yourself being sued.

23:12Man United a few years ago were asked about this and said they'd done their due diligence and were confident that Omar Barada had nothing to do with what went on at Man City. His name has not been mentioned in relation to anything to do with this. So speculation about, oh, you know, he must have known this, that and the other. I'd be very careful about it. You won't get many journalists writing about it because you could get litigated. You could get sued. So I am not about to start saying anything about that or Jason Wilcox or Pep Guardiola or anything like that. In the fullness of time, we may never get the truth.

23:48We may never get the truth. We don't know. But look, I would remove Barada from Man United because I don't think he's a very good CEO. I would remove Barada from Man United because if I was Sir Jim Radcliffe, I would go, we appointed a guy who we thought was best in class. it transpires that Man City's success was based on cheating. So we've recruited a guy as our CEO because we thought he was best in class, but everything they did, they did through cheating. So how can he be best in class? He's just somebody who worked for a club that was cheating. So how can he be best in class? I mean, how hard is it to be a COO of a football club that cheated?

24:32What I'm trying to say is if you had a business, right, and you wanted to bring best in class CEO in, would you go and get the CEO from Brighton or would you go and get the COO from Man City knowing that they cheated? It's got nothing to do with associating him with the cheating. The club cheated. So any success they had is cheating. I mean, look, would you recruit Pep Guardiola? some people probably would recruit Pep Guardiola because he's a good coach but also everything he did at Man City is tainted with cheating so I'd be removing Barada anyway because I think ultimately he's not very good at his job and I wouldn't be looking at his CV at Man City and thinking well that's something you can rely on anymore but actual allegations I'd be very careful about that because there's no evidence to suggest that he's that and I think Man United stance is that you know they're going to stick with Barada and they're very happy with him so you got to be careful about who you point the blame at.

25:28I mean, the blame has to fall at Man City's owners. Whether people knew about it, went along with it, turned a blind eye to it, somebody somewhere said, we're going to do this and it has to be the owners.

25:43I mean, the future for Man City is not really for the United stand to talk about. I would hope that there will be a time when we can play Man City at football and have that Manchester derby again. But I actually, look, I'd like some people to get in the comments about what they'd like to see happen. This was just some random comment I saw from at footy writer last night and I quite liked it. It said relegating Man City would actually let them off lightly. What the punishment should be is 35 points for the next five Premier League seasons and no Champions League qualification during that period by any route.

26:19The punishment is fixed, the consequences aren't. You get 100 points, congratulations, you've got 65, enjoy the Europa League. Have a normal city season, you're finishing mid-table. Have a bad one, you're in relegation. But here's the best bit, if they do get relegated, the clock stops. They don't get to spend a year battering championship teams, come straight back up and call the punishment served. They return to the Premier League and the 35 is still waiting for them. After a couple of years without title races or Champions League football, maybe players leave. Maybe recruitment gets harder.

26:49Maybe maintaining a 90-point team gets harder too. Five Premier League seasons, no title race, no Champions League, no easy reset, just a billion worth of squad fighting for 10th. Beautiful. I like it. I actually quite like that. I really quite like that. So basically what would happen is for the next five years, they get 35 points knocked off every year. And if you get relegated, when you get promoted again, it's waiting for you again. I think it would be a really good idea because the level of suffering they've inflicted on us as football fans went on for 15 years. They can have at least five of themselves.

27:27And the truth is, if they get relegated, they'll come back and they'll probably win the league again. Whereas if you do it for five years, 35 points, there'll be a mid-table club for five years. They'll find it hard to attract players. They won't be in the Champions League. They won't But look, the punishments, we'll have to just wait and see what happens with it. And the compensation for Man United, if I'm being completely honest, doesn't massively excite me. If the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe can get£100 or£200 million out of this, so what? They've had hundreds of millions of pounds out of you over the last 20 years, and what have they done with that?

28:06So I think it's going to be very interesting to see how it plays out. But there is definitely an anger, I think, from myself. And there's a frustration and there's a sadness as well. I think this is what happens when... This is why, and I've been fortunate enough over the last 18 months to do Bundesliga coverage on That's Football. It's very core when I started watching football in the 80s. football was a lot closer to the fans. There's a lot of good positive things about football and the Premier League. You go to a game now, a lot more families, you know, better environment for that type of viewing.

28:53When I used to go and watch games in the 80s, it was very, you know, hooliganism was rife. It was a different environment. You know, you felt on the edge. But you also felt the club was more yours. The players were closer to you. there was less money in the game. Let's be honest. Money has made football very corporate. Money attracts certain people. I don't know whether we can turn this around, but I would love to see in football everywhere, not just in this country, I would love to see fan ownership. It's something that was being pushed by Manchester United Supporters Trust a few years ago. So I would love to see that back in football because I think fundamentally, when you look at the two big problems in the Premier League, one, Man City by a very long way have just cheated for 15 years.

29:50Two, the Glazers have systematically dismantled the biggest football club in England over the last 25 years. Sorry, 20 years. What's the common theme there? Ownership that are not in touch with the fans that can destroy the thing you love. I mean, at the end of the day, they're like a cancer. They basically grab the thing we love and destroy it. And Manchester City and Manchester United have been destroyed in two very separate ways. And the headlines belong to Man City at the moment. Of course they do. But I do almost feel a little bit angry. And this is the Glazer section. I do almost feel a bit angry about how much focus Man City are getting because they have cheated.

30:36But they cheated in a way that was around being successful, pumping money in. A lot of people benefited from Man City's millions, whether it's the local area, whether it's teams like Villa, who've had players bought and Forest and everyone else. Man United have been there should be rules in place about what's happened to us as well but because we didn't win titles no one's interested because we didn't cheat to win no one's interested but what happened to us is we were winning and now we're not we're the opposite of Man City they've cheated to win our owners in my opinion have done something just as bad to destroy what Man United is and line their own pockets the theme here is ownership the way that football clubs are owned doesn't fit with what we want as fans.

31:27Man City fans have been, they may not have woken up yet, but Man City fans, if you end up on the brink of extinction, where nobody acknowledges your treble or your centurions, what they've done to your club is as bad as what the Glazers have done to us, if not worse. I just don't think Man City fans have woken up to that reality yet. As United fans, what the Glazers have done to us over 20 years is abysmal, horrific. There needs to be a change in how football clubs can be owned. And the safest way is that there is some level of percentage which is owned by the fans. This can't happen to Bayern Munich.

32:07This can't happen at Dortmund. We do need something like that. Greed in football comes at a price. You can have rich owners and they get you into trouble. You can have greedy owners and they'll sink you. This is a big problem in football. It's very, very rarely the fans or the players or the manager's fault. Predominantly, it's the owner's fault. And I do feel a bit angry, actually, because last week there was all this talk about the Glazers and now it's all about Man City and it will be. But what they've done to Manchester United is a disgrace. There is no charges going their way. There is no expulsion going their way.

32:50There is no relegation coming our way. But have they not done just as bad to Manchester United? Sunk us into debts, took dividends out, got no care for the club or the local area. They've got no care for the workers. They've got no care for the fans. But we're on our own. There will become a point where people start to become very sympathetic to the ordinary Manchester City fan because, you know, their club's been destroyed. But what about our club? And the Glazers can hide behind this as well. Oh, we've done it properly. You've absolutely not. So look, I think the big problem with football is ownership.

33:30It's broken. It's absolutely broken. How irresponsible people can get hold of football clubs that have been in existence for over 100 years and jeopardise them on their own stupidity is incredible.

33:49And I think we're all losers this morning. I can't get my hat on how people are excited and laughing and reveling in this like it's some great thing. We're stuck with the Glazers. We're probably stuck with the Glazers longer now because of this. We will finish in the top four now instead of the top five. The Glazers are going to benefit from this massively. They're going to get away with it because of this. They're going to make money out of this. We're stuck with the Glazers for the next fucking 10, 20 years because of this. So I don't think we're winners in this at all. I agree that Man City have broken the rules and they need to be dealt with.

34:27But I don't think this is going to lead to us winning the title.

34:33I don't think things are going to change at Man United because of this. If anything, I think they'll double down. If anything, they'll probably get more dividends now. Let me get into some of your comments. how do you punish the owners in the club without push with, with, sorry, reasoned mind says, how do you punish the owners in the club with punishing the current squad? I couldn't give a shit about that. They, at the end of the day, if you do the crime, you do the time. I'm not sympathetic to Man City fans that they're going to get relegated or anything like that. I'm sympathetic that they have no part in it.

35:03And the club that they love is going to get screwed over. But they have to be dealt with. I'm not in any way saying that they shouldn't be punished severely. and I think everything's on the table, isn't it? Is it possible to ban City from sponsorship deals and other money-making avenues to shrink their PSR values, says Man United? Honestly, I think a lot of people are going to say this. Realistically, should their owners not be expelled from owning a football club? I mean, people are talking about punishments, but is it not ownership here? Like, is that not part of the deal? You know, you must sell and never own a Premier League football club again.

35:43Big Z says, how many clubs can you sue City? Any club who lost to them in any cup Europe the whole last 13 years has lost any meaning. Integrity gone. They've tainted the Premier League like entering an alternate universe. Big Z, this could be as big or as small as you want it to be. I mean, look, people laughed at Tony Pulis about them losing the FA Cup final. But, I mean, the easiest way to look at it is this. When you read what the Premier League statement said, Manchester City's success from 2009 to 2018 was built upon cheating. So if you played Man City between that period and they beat you, they cheated.

36:31Because they did something no one else was doing to build that team. so it can be as small as losing to them and getting relegated because another three points would have kept you up or as big as losing a title like there's no middle ground on that I've heard people trying to justify it saying well it's you can't really you know we were still the best team on the pitch that's like us saying well if last season we had Erling Haaland up front and he'd scored an extra 20 goals and we'd have won the league, we didn't cheat. Well, we did if we didn't have Erling Haaland. So how did we get him? Oh, we cheated to get him.

37:11Well, we cheated then. If there was no 2009 to 18 City, there won't be 2019 to 25 as well. If they're charged only for the charges, what about recent years? Says Anant. The best punishment for City is to give them the glazes as owners, says UV. UEFA could cut a Champions League place because City cheating to get in messes with the coefficient, says Dek. Yeah, I mean, I think UEFA will probably steer clear of this because they had a go at Man City, didn't they? And they lost. Ami says Juventus were 10 times the club City were in 2006 when they were fixing and relegated. Surely City deserved the same treatment.

37:50Ineos' definition of best in class seems to be they worked at a successful club. That's as deep as the analysis goes, says Pepsi Man. Straight Cannon says, Mark, what happens to City sponsorship deals? Do they get scrapped and have to start again or continue as normal because they've been punished. Well, I've spoken about this before, Straight Cannon. And, you know, there might be benefits for Manchester United here. There might be benefits for Liverpool here. I've not really heard anybody talk about this because I think it's a little bit, you know, for the future. But if you look at the world of football at the moment, everybody wants a piece of the pie.

38:22Sponsors, TV companies, you know, it won't be long before there's TV deals that are owned by clubs. You've got shirt sponsors, you've got training shirt sponsors, you've got, you know, people want a piece of the football pie. Manchester City are a very, very big club in world football. You know, they've got a very, very, very big fan base. What's happened there will scare people. They'll be like, I don't want, you know, Puma have got a massive deal with Man City. They'll be shaking this morning. Erling Haaland is a very big brand. He will be like, I do not like this. you do not want to be associated with a cheat.

39:02If you go to work tomorrow and you have a team member that's been arrested for something really bad, you're not going to go on your socials and start saying, you know, with you to the end and all this. You're going to be like, okay, maybe put a statement out saying they're suspended or maybe find a way to remove them or maybe say nothing, but look, do not back this. And I think there's going to be a civil war at Manchester City, unless they appeal this and get off with it, which looks very, very unlikely. There will be civil war. Fan groups will start to lose their shit with the club because they love the club.

39:38Employees will start leaking stuff, quite rightly, because they'll be like, I don't want to be tainted by this. I love the club. Players will start leaving. Brands will want out. But also, future earning possibilities for Man City will dry up but those brands will just move to other places this will benefit Liverpool Arsenal Man United because we will be left as the biggest clubs in England and brands will want to spend money that they were maybe going to spend with Man City so it will benefit us it will benefit the Glazers because you know Puma may be like we still want to sponsor a football club we're not going to sponsor Man City let's try and sponsor Man United oh they've already got adidas pushes the deal up so there will be benefits yeah um

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42:18I've heard and given a chance to all United YouTubers and just like I thought at the beginning you're the father Mark Goatbridge says St Blanca look on that everybody's entitled to their opinion and everyone's doing content I find some of the clips that I see a little bit unprofessional and I see some of it and I think it's a little bit hypocritical certain people calling Man City frauds when some of the stuff they've done is quite hilarious. But look, I think my biggest complaint is is that some people are just teased, you know, they're reveling in it because of rivalry, which I sort of understand.

42:58But this is not good. This is not good. I give huge applause to those of us who've been talking about this for over 10 years, saying they're inflating their sponsorship deals. They're inflating their sponsors. It's so obvious they're inflating them. And it's taken till 2026 for that to get proven. But I still sit here and go, I'm very angry. I'm very angry because I never realised it was going to get spelt out to us as clear as it has been. Like they definitively put nearly a billion in. Cheating. We lost the title because of this. That Aguero moment is one of my lowest. You know, if I was interviewed a week ago and someone said, what's your lowest moment in Premier League football?

43:44I would say Aguero. Someone asked me today, I'd have to reset. I don't know what my biggest disappointment is. Probably Man City's cheating over 15 years because Aguero, I don't acknowledge as a goal. I just see a cheat. I see Lance Armstrong. I don't acknowledge the Aguero goal anymore. And therefore, what do I acknowledge from the last 15 years? Steven Gerrard slipping and Liverpool losing the title, I don't acknowledge that anymore. That's one of the funniest clips as a United fan you'll ever see, Steven Gerrard slipping. It's not anymore because Liverpool were robbed of a league title. I don't like Liverpool.

44:25Liverpool don't like us. But I'm sure a Liverpool fan would say that Aguero goal, I loved it. I fucking loved that Aguero goal. United losing it while the store stood on the pitch at Sunderland. But a Liverpool fan would look at that now and go, yeah, but they cheated for that. As much as I hate United, they cheated for that. And as much as I don't like Liverpool and Steven Gerrard slipping was hilarious. And, you know, we don't let this slip and then he slips. He was robbed of a fucking title. Liverpool were robbed of a title. Absolutely robbed. Brendan Rodgers would have a Premier League title because that Man City side cheated.

45:01They lost the title by a point and Man City cheated. We lost the title long goal difference. Agraro, they cheated. I'm very angry about that. As a football fan, I'm very angry about that. This is not about how, how, how Man City are going to get, you know, really. I mean, look, Man City's owners might just go, fuck football, we're not interested anymore. Man City fans will be left with the debris. They'll be left with the mess. It's their fans that will suffer. It's Man City, the name that will suffer. It's football that suffered. These people who caused it all, they're already multi-billionaires.

45:36They're not going to prison, are they? They just ruined football for 15 years, something that we're all passionate about. It's like the Glazers. They've ruined our football club for 20 years. Football's escapism. Football's passion. You go down the pub with your wife and then her friend's there and her husband's there and you get talking. Do you like football? And they say no. part of you dies inside. The fuck am I going to talk about for two hours? It doesn't like football. What do you mean you don't like? Football is just all-consuming passion for us, isn't it? The last 15 years are a lie. They're an absolute lie.

46:12We're sat here this morning knowing that that Aguero Man City win was bullshit. We're sat here this morning knowing that every time we've lost to Man City is bullshit. We're sat here this morning knowing that Slippy G, that's bullshit. You know, there is nobody that can sit here this morning and say, no, no, no, come on. The Aguero goal still stands. Man City still won the league. Mate, this is going to be the quickest argument I've ever won in my life. What are you talking about? You cannot hold that. Your treble, shove your treble up your arse, never acknowledged it anyway. Said it at the time, it's load of bollocks.

46:51Oh, what a surprise. They're treble in the fucking bin. No way. There is one English club that's done a treble and it's Man United. Solskjaer has won it. That's the only treble. There is no treble. Football is life to many of us and they turned life into a Hollyoaks script. Crap. For 15 years, we thought we were turning up watching football, not knowing the result. Man City, behind the scenes, were playing it on a cheat code. Scripted. And people who say, well, it can't be scripted. I'll tell you what, you give any Premier League club in 2009 a billion pounds of spend over the next nine years, see how many titles they win.

47:40It ain't fucking hard. It's not hard. Look, it wouldn't have been bloody Ed Woodward spending it, would it? You've got to have a decent CEO. You've got to have a decent director of football. But you, if you're going to spend a billion pounds of your own money through the back door, you're going to get the best people possible to spend it. I mean, you can change Man City to Everton. You can change them to Villa. You can change them to Crystal Palace. Whoever had that money was going to win. And they have. And Wayne says you can drive yourself mad thinking about it. you can, but I think the thing that really pisses me off is that there's nothing to smile about.

48:19There's nothing to be excited about. This is not about rivalry. This is about your love for football. We've been robbed. We've been lied to for 15 years. And what annoys me is 10 years ago, we knew it. 10 years ago, we knew what they were doing. Why did the Premier League need need hacked emails to find out. I mean, I just look, at least the truth's come out in the end, I suppose. Form says, I'm really bummed I missed your live stream on City yesterday. I have so many questions and topics to bring up. Still a good watch. Thank you, pal. USADA protocol, four years out and start at the bottom, says John.

48:57City owners pumped a billion in. Glazers take a billion out, says Marco. Don't forget, Mark, City finished ninth, 10th and fifth in 07, 08, 09 then all of a sudden lead challengers make it make sense suspicious Mallard United and Chelsea are not far behind City on transfer spending in the period so City won with similar spending PSR is the problem says Anton Haas yeah I mean that's a separate conversation that's why the Glazers are shit but Chelsea did win titles in that period didn't they Man City I will always admit Man City spent the money very very well but they still cheated to do it. Do you think the Crown will have a look at City and the people involved based on fraud, tax evasion or other financial laws potentially broken?

49:44So Slasey, it could get very messy very, very quickly. Yeah. Given his role at City, what are the chances Barada has to resign from Man United? I think we've spoken about that, Man United 7. It's like stop doping as you gained enough muscle, says Damien. Harlan deal, 51 million pounds, says Jason. Irish Ghost says, look, on the Harlan deal, I'm not sweeping over that. we don't know how deep this investigation goes if a player at Manchester City is being paid 150 grand a week through Man City's books and 150 grand a week through an offshore account you're not you can't go I didn't know you know there might be a few people that never get done but how many knew we may never know from the manager and board's point of view when the City news couldn't have come at a better time And for now, it's taken the spotlight off the scrutiny we were facing, says Irish.

50:35I think this news is brilliant for Ineos. I think it's brilliant for the Glazers. It takes the pressure off. It makes their job easier. You know, they didn't back Michael Carrick in the summer and they'll probably still get top four. It's horrible news for United. You know, two weeks ago, we're talking about a shit summer, shit board, shit owners, and we need change. we're now still a shit board, shit owners and a shit start to the season, but we're probably going to get top four because Man City will be booted out. So their cheap summer doesn't matter anymore. Do you think there'll be a follow-up to the 115 to examine more recent finances if they order a comprehensive audit and compliance as Emily Derry?

51:17I think what you do with that, Emily, is you say your punishment is this. If you don't take it and you want to go through the appeal process, we're going to open up the door on everything else. I think that's part of a negotiation, maybe. Are you now more open to the idea of a Super League considering the farce the Premier League has become, says Atari? No, I don't want a Super League because I think that would be even more of an anti-competitive league. Second time City owners have cheated, 1906 as well, says Mark Fudge. Richard Roberts says, Mark, using the current financial rules that City are being held accountable to, how does a new owner ever clear the debt we are saddled with without external factors?

51:55we can never clear the debt. True Football says Newcastle is rich but can't compete because they don't cheat. And I think we do need to change the rules. I think Newcastle should be able to join the elite. I think Aston Villa should be able to join the elite. I think the rules are broken but that doesn't mean you break the rules. Apart from Haaland who would you like to take off City's squad says Man United 7. I mean I would take a lot of their players. I don't care about that. Emily Derry says City owners have shat on their fans from such a great height. I mean just find it astonishing that in one city we have two extremes of crap ownership.

52:27However, only one is facing repercussions. Great point, Emily. Chi says, old PSR let clubs lose 100 million per three years. So 900 million over nine years could fund three times 100 million signings each season. In 2009 to 2018 market, that is unbelievable, sons. Oh, the level of cheating is, and that's without inflation as well. Like it's huge, huge, huge level of cheating and a huge advantage that Man City were operating to compared to everybody else. I mean, they literally were just nailed on to win titles, the level of cheating they were doing. Hi, Mark. Been watching since Frankie to Manchester United.

53:10Man City's CEO was at Barcelona as vice president and head of economics when they were paying referees, says Irish Lad. Does this make any derby wins technically better? Says Nug. City have deserved that rivalry, haven't deserved that rivalry. Like Liverpool and Everton, Derby Day is different, but not the same levels. City is not a big club, says Damien. Where's De Litz? He's 1-2-3. He'd be back in training. He'd be training with United the next couple of weeks. Maz Raui went off injured yesterday, by the way. Apparently it's just a knock, but he did go off injured for Morocco. Staggering to the scale of destruction, not just clubs, but managers like Van Gaal, Klopp, Ancelotti, Jose and countless players.

53:45EPL has lost so much. Yeah. How many people missed out on titles? How many people got sacked because of this? Because they were operating in a league that wasn't being run properly. Patrick Lynch, hope you're doing well, says this has seriously damaged the integrity of the Premier League. Who knows what else or what else has been compromised? We're just lucky that our owners are too cheap, that we aren't embroiled in something similar. Has anyone bought the club? May have leaked this to distract from the protests. Says Howell. I fear the glaze is new and said, let's try that. Says Keel. Just give them the punishment and let's move on.

54:16Says Irish Ghost. Erling Haaland has always said him and his family love Manchester. Well, that's easy to fix if you ask me. the worst he can say is no this is Tom McRide and Jamie says Barada was at Man City between 11 and 24 from commercial director COO and Chief Football Operations surely he must have been involved or known how can he remain in place at United well again as I would say Jamie we can call Man City cheats because they've been found guilty you cannot throw allegations at Pep or Barada or anyone else without evidence and there isn't any evidence that they're involved at the moment.

54:53So I would say that if I was Sir Jim Radcliffe, that wouldn't even matter at the moment. I would be going, I said, we're going to recruit best in class. I took the COO from Man City to be the CEO at Man United because Man City have been very successful. And I thought I was getting best in class. In light of these results, anybody who succeeded at Man City is tainted because they succeeded inaccurately. So Mabrada is not best in class. He's just a guy who was working at a football club that was cheating. I mean, we're not calling him a cheat, but what we're saying is anybody who worked at Man City and their CV looks good, but look what you were doing.

55:46you know how can you say that you were successful the same as anybody who worked at Juventus or we didn't recruit best in class we worked we recruited a guy who was at a successful football club but they were successful because they cheated so I don't think he's a very good CEO I don't think his CV stands up stands up to scrutiny at all I think everything that he thinks he achieved was achieved at a football club that was cheating don't even need to say he was involved just that

56:18like if I'm the marketing manager of Man City for 10 years and I apply for a job at Amazon and say, I was the marketing manager at Man City. Look at how successful we were. If I was Amazon, I'd say, but have you not read the news? Like everything you did, they cheated. So all your success was based on their cheating. So I'm not calling you a cheat, but your CV don't mean anything, mate, because your club cheated. It already feels like the last 15 have been tainted, but how many more future years are going to be tainted if points deductions change the table, says Glenn. Robert says, look, I think this is a great point as well.

56:53In relation to the immediate future, I'm not asking for the points back against Man City a few weeks ago, but they're top of the League at the moment. This league is a farce if they don't hand out the punishment now. We can't carry on. I mean, can you imagine every Premier League game week? Like, what do you do in Fancy Premier League? Do you keep Man City players in? It's like, I know that's very basic, but like, what do you do in Fancy Premier League now? Like, do you keep Man City players in and hope that they're getting your points? Do you take them out in protest. The very core of the league is under scrutiny to such a level now.

57:35Like, if you're in a relegation battle, is it three going down or is it two in Man City? If you're in a title race in your Arsenal, is it a two-horse race or is it really a one-horse race? Like, if you're a Man City player, when you're turning up, what are we playing for here? Are we playing for nothing? Are we playing for the Champions League? The whole league is a joke. It's a joke for the last 15 years and it's a joke today. And there's only one set of people responsible for this and it's the owners of Manchester City. Imagine families that have supported and inherited their support through City, through generations.

58:08They've destroyed their whole club. Shame for real fans. I know numerous Man City fans and I've messaged them and spoken to them in the last 24 hours. There's one or two who are defiant, hoping that they're going to get off with it. They don't like the rules, but a lot of them are disgusted. Disgusted that the football club, and very much like us as United fans, we've had this conversation before. If that button there was Glazers gone, but you're in League Two, bang. I mean, obviously, I'd want to know who the replacement is. Glazers gone, debt gone, proper ownership that are ambitious. Yeah, I'll hit that button.

58:45I'd go down to League Two to get rid of the debt and the Glazers and Ineos now. Because, yeah, I want Man United in the Premier League. I want Man United in the Champions League. But more importantly, I just want to support Man United, a club I love, wholeheartedly that's ambitious. There's a lot of Man City fans waking up this morning going, look, if we've got to go down to the National League, we've got to go down to the National League, but we're still Man City.

59:12Success status doesn't actually grab the heartstrings of the hardcore football fans. you want to win the league you want to be in the Champions League but more than anything you want to morally be attached to your football club and that's why teams like Lincoln City have hardcore fans because they may never make the Premier League but they're Lincoln City fans you know what makes me sad is the boycott United just disappeared lasted a couple of days and once again Glynios have won says Arnold and look I don't want to say I told you so but I told you so I said that when I did that video out in Spain.

59:52People were like, why aren't you retweeting this, that and the other? Because I didn't trust it. I didn't think it was well organised. I've seen it so many times and I knew it would disappear as quick as it came. Now, it's very unfortunate that it's one of the biggest news stories ever and it disappeared a lot quicker than maybe I thought it would. But it was going to always disappear. That's harsh, but it is. It was always going to disappear because...

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1:02:06That's not what's going to get the glazes out. A clear example of sports washing, says Jack, and some retired players never won a Premier League due to City cheating. It was probably the one thing that desired most that they would have achieved if not for City, says Irish Ghost. Slazy says Burnley sued Everton for their£90 million breach and was awarded£40 million. Watford lost the FA Cup final against City in 19 and lost a spot in the Europa League and the cash coming from that. They were relegated the next year, says Slazy. Liverpool lost two titles by a point. Klopp lost by a point, getting 97, says Shane.

1:02:37Do you think the Premier League will let Man City off with a light punishment? No, no, no. Liam, I think reading the Premier League statement yesterday, that was incredibly short and punchy. I don't think that's a Premier League that's thinking about cutting a deal. I think that's a Premier League that's absolutely had it to the back teeth with Man City. And I think that if they want a good deal, Man City need to be begging for it. And they're not. they're still talking about appeals. So I don't think the Premier League are looking to go light on Man City at all. The club shouldn't suffer because of the owners cheating.

1:03:13The owners should get banned from football and revert the club to their status before cheats, says BRT. Why the government allow firstly that type of ownership, says Dial. They should be given a minus 1 ,000 points, 10 points, 1 ,140 points, says Angel. 10 points per charge. The point system should roll over season after season. If City dissolve, who would you want of their team apart from Haaland, says Man United? I mean I'd take a lot of their players they're very good players that's why they've got them Jonas says love Stick to United Mark do you think this could be the reason why the Super League was about to be formed like the clubs knew about City says Jonas could be could be do check out Stick to United if you've not watched it I think it makes even more sense now when you listen to Rooney about what his thoughts were Marlo United says can we just pause for a moment for the name of City's leading lauder Lord Panic that Batman villain level I can't wait for the movie someone also made a point about anyone who made a bet and lost gain from City's cheating.

1:04:07The implications are catastrophic, says Big Z. How do you punish the owners and club without punishing the current squads as a reason of mine? Thank you very much. Salah says, just if they listen to Oli, he could have signed Haaland for 4 million when he first made contact and later for around 20 when Haaland had release calls at Salzburg. Smoggy Monkser says, when you talk about Man City spending, I would take transfer fee with a pinch of salt. The real difference is salary, bonus and agent fees, especially those early years. That's what attracts certain players. yeah I think Man City will have done things that we may never know in relation to recruitment because the evidence can only be what you have there'll be a lot of stuff that the Premier League never had so there might be a deal with players where money is going to them not from the club like there might be players that were bought for a certain price on the books but we're getting another price from somewhere else and their agent was getting money from somewhere else and their wage was being topped up by somewhere else.

1:05:10That's what I mean about the tip of the iceberg. We'll probably never know. We probably won't even know a lot of it. But I'm absolutely convinced there are players that signed for Man City who know they were doing something wrong. You know, come to Man City, we'll give you this, that and the other. But look, that may have happened at other clubs as well, to be fair. Right. thank you so much everybody for watching good show this morning really enjoyed it it's Wednesday so I am back with you tonight at 8 o 'clock apologies for not being live as much the last few days had a few problems with technical issues obviously I was away last week and then it was Stick to United yesterday but we're back on track now so we'll be back at 8 o 'clock tonight thank you so much everybody for tuning in as always do check out Stick to United especially the Rooney section where he talks about how he felt and feels about it that's on the homepage and I will speak to you on the next one stay safe, take care, thank you very much for watching

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