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2:04Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge and welcome to another fascinating day of news around Manchester United. Last night, late last night, Lissandro Martínez released a new statement around what happened after the game against Atletico Madrid and those explosive comments. Some Prats think it's an apology. It's not an apology. It's not an apology. I mean, it may well be the club thinking they're clever enough to make it look like an apology. It's not an apology. I've seen people going, is it an apology? Is it a step down? No. It's just a nicer way of saying what you said on Tuesday night.

2:42And we'll talk about that as well. I think United want it to be apology. I think Man United want us all to think it's an apology. I think Man United want us all to make it go away. But the three core principles were not apologised for. The board don't match the ambition of the fans or the players. The technical director, Jason Wilcox, is absolutely rubbish. And we shouldn't be getting rid of the manager before him. And those three things were said by Martinez and they were not apologised for in the statement. So we will delve into that, of course. Also, I watched Stick to Football this morning, so I know what Gary Neville said and everybody else.

3:16I disagree with it. I think, again, it's just... I really do think that we need to have a video sooner rather than later talking about this because so many ex-players have not read the room on this at all. You're in the minority. They all just keep saying the same thing. Well, you know, you shouldn't have said it. You're letting your teammates down. You're basically saying your teammates are shit. But they are it. I mean, I'm sorry. If I walked into Carrington today and a couple of the United lads said, I want to have a word with you. Okay. You know, and I know you had a pop at the director of football.

3:50I'm okay with that. And I know you had a, the fans are on your side and I'm okay with that. But when you said we need more players, that basically means we're not good enough. I don't like that. And if I was Martinez, I'd go, but we're not. We've won one Premier League game against Ipswich. We're shit. What do you want me to do? Polish a turd. We are shit. Wow. I don't like that. Well, maybe do something about it on the pitch because we are shit. See you later. See you for keepy ups. Wonder what we're doing today with Carrick and Holland. Probably just musical statues or something. Anyway, also talking about Carrick, there's some interesting stuff coming about Conte and Herzler that we might talk about as well.

4:29But I want to read you this. Building my statue says Zoop. Fair play Martinez. I'm going to read you the Martinez statements because you might not have, well, you won't have heard Martinez's statement in the words of Mark Goldbridge. But I will narrate that for you in a minute. But I also just want to add this in before. I forgot to say this yesterday and I want to say it here. In this country, especially around Manchester United, time and time again, I have seen foreign players attacked. in the media, ex-players, whatever, right? Fans, David De Gea, they tried to haunt him out for Henderson and they were celebrating Anana, who was also foreign.

5:10Bruno, it's been up and down. Pogba, pile on. Martial, pile on. We've seen it tight. Managers, Amorim, Ten Hag, Undermined. When it's a British player who's underperforming, and we know numerous of those, very, very different. When it's a British manager or an ex-player managing, very, very different. I'll tell you a different story about a foreign player as well. If you're a British player playing for Manchester United, you're never more than an hour or so away from your family. You're living in the country that you grew up in, playing for everything that's familiar, with your family all around.

5:44It's cushy, right? It's comfortable. If you're a foreign player, you might be halfway around the world from most of your life and your family. in a country that you don't really know much about and you're doing it because of the sport that you love. Now, there are mercenary players from abroad. Most of those are in Saudi. But if you're playing in Italy, Spain or England as a foreign player, you're doing it for your football career. You're leaving your family, you're moving your immediate family to go and play football. You're not doing it because you love the Peak District or climbing Mount Snowden or visiting Harrods.

6:23you're doing it to play for Manchester United or Arsenal or Liverpool in the Premier League, earn good money in a competitive league. You're going to ship off halfway around the world. You want to win. You want ambition. You want a pathway. What people have completely missed with Lissandro Martinez is he's been to two World Cup finals. He's played with Lionel Messi. He's halfway around the world. He's ambitious and he's entering a season going, what the fuck is this shit? The season's just started. We've got no hope. We're crapping the Premier League. We're crapping the Champions League. What a load of shit.

6:59And people forget that. I would say foreign players are far more professional and far more ambitious than British players. I'm happy to say that. I think it's true. There are exceptions, but I think it's true. And that, you know, he shouldn't apologize. Absolutely not. Anyway, let me read to you what he said because some people think this is an apology which, you know, make your own minds up. Make your own minds up. Now, all I'm going to say before we read this from Lissandro Martinez and it came out last night, all I'm going to say is is that he basically in his in his interview after the game with Atletico Madrid, remember what he said.

7:42He said a lot of things but he basically said the technical director didn't do a very good job in the summer. and he also said that, you know, why is it always the manager that goes? Maybe it should be somebody higher up that goes and he also said that the, you know, hierarchy's ambition doesn't match the ambition of basically the fans. This is his statement from last night. Following everything that has been said about my comments yesterday, I want to share some thoughts on what I said and how I feel. After the match, I spoke out of anger and frustration at not getting the result we all wanted.

8:23Those who know me know I live football with passion, commitment and a huge desire to win. And when things don't go our way, it hurts, especially when representing a club with the history and stature of Manchester United. I'm getting the word standards. My words reflect how I feel and how much I want to see this club competing for the biggest honours. Those high standards are part of how I see football and the responsibility of that comes with wearing this shirt. When I talk about wanting more, I'm talking about the ambition we must all have as part of this club to keep growing, to become stronger and to have everything we need to compete at the highest level.

8:56There are standards we must hold ourselves to and starting with me. I know that first and foremost, it's us, the players, you have to deliver. And I put myself at the front of that responsibility. We need to demand even more of ourselves and work together to take Manchester United back to the top. I believe in my teammates and manager and everyone helping and working to help this club move forward. I'm convinced that the way forward is to keep working together with ambition and commitment. My goal has been the same since day one, to win, to compete at the highest level and to give everything I love for this badge.

9:27At what point is he backed down? At what point is he apologising? At what point is he apologising to the owners, the board or Jason Wilcox? is basically saying that I'm here to win. I want to win. I know what the standards of this football club are and I'll work and believe in the people that are trying to hit those standards. At no point does he say the Glazers, Ineos, Jason Wilcox, Omar Barada match his standards. That is not an apology. It's a doubling down. I think United will try and make out that's an apology. That is not an apology. That is basically saying my standards match those of my standards.

10:11I will work with anybody who matches my standards, whether that's the manager, the teammates who are all trying to win. doesn't name Jason Wilcox, doesn't name the Glazers. And I actually think if you're an intelligent person, it's actually another dig at the board and the owners. Because when I read things like, when I talk about wanting more, I'm talking about the ambition we must all have as part of this club to keep growing, to become stronger and to have everything we need to compete at the highest level. These are the standards we must all hold ourselves to, starting with me, that's basically saying I'm talking about a lack of ambition from the board and the owners to where we need to be.

10:54It's just doubling down in an intelligent way. We didn't buy a left back. We didn't buy a striker. I don't think we bought the right midfielders. We gave an interim the job again. Where is the ambition? If he came out with his arm round Jason Wilcox saying we're friends and we're ambitious, then OK, I'd go, what the hell are you doing, Lissandro? But that statement is just saying, I have ambition, I have standards, and we must all be working towards those ambitions. We are not working towards those ambitions. In the summer transfer window, we got outspent by Ipswich and Coventry. That is not ambitious.

11:33We haven't got a left back or a striker fit at the moment. That is not ambitious. Our coaching setup went to Atletico Madrid with two days training and tried some new fathomed hipster shit that fell flat on its arse. That's not ambitious. There's nothing about this football club that's ambitious. There's nothing that's been ambitious about this football club for a very long time. Lissandro Martinez may have reworded it in a nice way, but it basically still says to me, the club's not ambitious. It doesn't know what it's doing and it isn't Man United and it doesn't hold the standards of Manchester United.

12:08So again, we may face another day of spin where the club and certain journalists try and twist Lissandro Martinez's statement into an apology, it's not an apology. It's a doubling down in a less aggressive way. If you'd put that out on Instagram on Tuesday night, I still would have reacted the same way yesterday morning saying that's a very, very, very subtle dig at the board and the owners. And it's still there. so absolutely I do not see that as an apology as I said the club might try and say I don't know I'm going to do a guesswork here I would think yesterday Man United spoke to Lissandro Martinez agents and said look he's left it is in a difficult position here if he doesn't put statements out we might need to do something around wages we might need to suspend him like Enzo Fernandes got suspended at Chelsea.

13:09We might need to make an example of him. They might have gone to Lissandro Martinez and he might have said, I'm not apologising. And then they both might have worked on a statement that they're both happy with. But we're not stupid. Like we're not morons. Like if United think that's it gone. Look, I've said this before and I'll say it again. You can react how you want to react. But the bottom line is, even if Lissandro Martinez came out in the press conference tomorrow with Michael Carrick and said, I'm really, really, really sorry. I never should have said any of those things. You said it. Even if he came out and said, I'm really, really sorry.

13:47I didn't mean it. You meant it. Even if he sits there with Jason Wilcox, giving him presents and saying, you're the best director of football in the world. You didn't say that on Tuesday. You're not coming back from this, basically. This is the brilliant thing about this. Man United employ people to monitor social media. They employ people to see who's unpopular and then put positivity posts out about them. That's why sometimes you'll wake up in the morning, you'll see a picture of Luke Shaw and you'll go, why the fuck's that? Oh yeah, we shit at the weekend. That's why we'll lose a game and then on a Tuesday, you'll see a picture of Michael Carrick smiling at you on Instagram because it's all subvertive PR positivity because they've got to maintain the status quo on the cheap.

14:30They know they're not getting rid of Shaw. They know we're not getting rid of Carrick. So they have to try and convince you. It's one big PR machine and it's fragile. It's fragile. You know, no one rates Delo. Put a little clip out of him. Get him to do a video about how he looks Carrington. It's positivity. People will feel sympathetic because we're not replacing him. It's all one well-oiled PR machine to maintain the status quo, to look after themselves. It's a protection mechanism, right? We're not spending any money. So let's spin what we've got. And can we get another kit out for November, right?

15:00Money, money, money, spin, spin, spin, PR, PR, PR. And it works if we all keep it in-house. This is why there's no pressure on Jason Wilcox because he knows too much. This is why they never got rid of Ed Woodward because he knew too much. Once you're in that circle of deception and spin, they'll never let you go because you're part of the machine. Yeah, Jason's a good egg. He helps us out. So what Lissandro Martinez did is he broke the illusion It's like a magician who keeps going on stage and pulling off this magic trick. And we all know it's fake, but we just don't know what it is. Lissandro Martinez walks out and exposes the trick.

15:42Now what do you do? What do Man United do from here? They're finished in many ways. They're finished. What do you do from here? Because you've popped your bubble of illusion. Even when they were getting bad results, even when we're not qualifying for the Champions League, Even when we have a crap summer transfer window, as long as we stay quiet and keep everything in-house and the players turn up with a smile on their face and nobody says anything, we'll get away with it. But Lysandre Martinez has just walked out and spoken exactly what the fans think. And he's in the dressing room. He's in Carrington.

16:15You can find him. You can sell him. It doesn't matter. Somebody in that inner circle has stepped out and said, yeah, this is a load of shit. We don't respect the director of football. We don't respect the ambition of the football club. They can sweep it under the carpet. it. They can get rid of him, but it doesn't change. This is the first time this has ever happened. And that's what I was saying to Piers Morgan yesterday. Ronaldo did it on his way out. The club could always say, oh yeah, never said it when he was here though. Sour grapes, look, he's just saying that because he's left. This is a player who's a serving player sat there going, what a shit show.

16:48So there is no comeback from this. And you know what? I look at it and I go, imagine I saw I was watching Stick to Football before this because I want to talk a couple of things about what they said but I heard it again and I can't remember whether it was Gerard Keane Jill Scott Ian Wright or Gary Neville right one of them said you can sort of agree with what he's saying but he should have gone and knocked on the door and spoken to Jason Wilcox about it can we just walk through that scenario should we do this Coxie it's Lissandro I don't know why I've got a northern accent, but can I come in? Come in, Lissandro.

17:28Right, I'm going to do all the talking, right? Right. You're not doing very good at your job. The owners are unambitious, right? We didn't buy who we needed in the summer. You're probably going to sack Carrick when it should be sacking you. It's just not good enough, Jason. It's just not good enough, right? What are you going to do about it? Right. I'm going to go and buy some good players. I'm going to replace the manager with a really good manager. and we're going to win the league next year. Jason, you're fucking lying. Tell me the truth, Jason. What are you talking about? You're lying, aren't you?

18:00Well, yeah, I just want you to get out of my office. I'm intimidated by you. You're called the butcher, and I don't think you're going to give me some sausages, are you? Jason, just tell me the truth. Otherwise, I'm going to go. You know what? On Tuesday night, if we lose, I'm going on Amazon Prime, and I'm fucking giving it, right? Both barrels. Unless you tell me right now a good reason why I shouldn't do it, I'm on there on Amazon Prime on Tuesday night. Now, Jason, I'll tell you again, there's no ambition from the board. You're doing a shit job and we're heading nowhere. What are we going to do, right?

18:30Give me something, otherwise I'm on. I'll tell you what, it's Amazon Prime time, right? Well, I can't tell you anything, can you? My hands are tied. You know, we've got no money because we're building a stadium and I'm never going to get the sack. This is what I mean. Like, people say he should have gone and spoken. You can blow the doors off on all these ex-player arguments, right? He never should have said it publicly. He should have spoken to Jason Wilcox privately. We've just ran through the scenario. What would he have got from a private conversation? Nothing. There wouldn't be a private conversation.

19:05There wouldn't be anything from it, would there? We all know United, right? How many times since Christmas have we, or put it on my shoulders, I predicted the future? Right. In the summer, what was it? What was it? What was it? It was Block Goldbridge and Don't Watch United Stand. Too negative about the transfer window. Yeah. There was literally a movement, Block Mark Goldbridge, yeah? On X, as it's called now, right? That was because we were being too negative about the transfer window. By the end of the transfer window, it was, oh, he was right. You know, he's a knobhead, but he was right, to be fair.

19:50Okay, that was one thing. At the start of the season, in pre-season, we were cooking. I was on holiday. I was on holiday. I'd had a few beers, to be fair. I was watching it, poolside bar. We beat somebody quite well. I can't remember. It was the first or second pre-season game. People are going, we're cooking. Oh, Santos is like a new Casemiro. I did a video and I went, this is a load of shit. This is just a false dawn. Oh, you're so negative. You're so negative. You're fake, fan, this, that, and the other. Proven right. Proven right again, right? Also said, that's a shit summer transfer window.

20:24It's going to go wrong very, very quickly. And it went wrong very, very quickly. You can predict the future with this football club. Sadly, you can predict the future. And normally, it's very bad. The situation from Lissandra Martinez, and I think it's about to come with another player as well, is, watch this space, is I don't think they're reacting angrily because we lost to Atletico Madrid. I think it was Rooney said it, or somebody said it, it's a little bit annoying that he said it after that game because there were some positive things from the Atletico Madrid game. In the sense that it wasn't as bad maybe as Spurs, it was a bit better.

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23:39What I'm trying to say is, and I'm probably not getting, I'm just going to be blunt. They're liars. They're liars. When Bruno Fernandes finished last season, I'm pretty much sure they would have said to him, or he would have said to them, we need to go out and be ambitious in the summer transfer window. And I'm pretty sure they said to him, we will be. Otherwise, he wouldn't be here. And as a player, you're probably like, OK, I'm at the World Cup, not really done much. I come back from the World Cup. Santos, Tillemans, there's still time. You play Hull, you lose. There's still time. Oh, Belieber's coming in.

24:17OK, beat Ipswich, good game. OK, there's still time. There's still... Oh, there's no time. Fucking hell, I'm stuck here. Some people say, well, why didn't he leave? But the thing about a football club when they lie is they've only got to get to August the 31st and then they've got you. And in that last week, we were being linked to players. So as Bruno, you've started pre-season. There's not a lot of time for Bruno to get out either, is there? I think they're liars. I think they've lied to a lot of players. Harry Maguire said it at the start of the transfer window, we need to buy a lot of players.

24:48So Maguire knew it. Martinez definitely knew it. Bruno would have known it. So they've been lied to. If you sat down with somebody from the board now and said, we need better players, and they go, don't worry, we're going to sort it out in January and next summer, we're going big. I'd say you're fucking lying. You didn't do it in the summer. Why didn't you do it in the summer? You've already leaked it's about money. You've already leaked that next summer's about the defence. You've already put it out there that you won't overpay. you've already put it out there that you're not willing to spend big wages.

25:22Don't lie to me that you're ambitious. You literally leak stuff out that you don't want to pay big wages. You don't want to pay big transfer fees. So don't fucking lie. You're not ambitious. Own it. You know, we're already getting stories about buying players in January. What a load of shit. What you're trying to do is sweep the mess under the carpet. And what I have done as Lissandra Martinez is expose your mess. Your whole world operates on manipulation and lies. As long as people don't know the truth, you can sell your kits, you can sell your season tickets and you keep the lie going. But the reality is we're not ambitious.

26:02You don't want to spend the money. All you want to do is acquire land. I mean, that was your biggest signing in the summer, buying some land so you can build your stadium, which can I just say is not where you said it was going to be. There were protests. And on the Tuesday, you put a big fucking chat GBT image of the stadium out. It's not even there anymore. Not a lot of people have seemed to figure that out. You know, the big bloody circus stuff. That's not where the ground is anymore. It's not. They've moved all that. There's still fans out there that think we're building that one. We're not building that one.

26:35That was a design on a piece of land that we're not building on anymore. They've moved it. It was going to be pretty much where Old Trafford is now. It's not anymore. It's quite, you know, it's still close, but it's not where it was. Their whole plan for the next five years is this. On the pitch, it's this. Off the pitch, it's build a big stadium and double your money. So Jim Radcliffe, Ineos and the Glazers are going to make a lot of money. Think of Manchester United like a farmer's field where a developer looks at it and goes, 400 houses, massive profit. it. That's all Man United are now. We're a piece of land where they're going to build something with government support and make a load of money.

27:20And talks about Premier League titles and ambition are nonsense. That's like that farmer's field, right? We're going to build 400 houses, right? Local residents are like, but the roads won't be able to deal with it. It's right next to a village with 400 houses already, and you can never get an appointment at the doctors. The roads are busy as it is. The schools are full. There's only one supermarket. It can't cope. Oh, yeah, don't worry. It'll be fine. Just tell them we're going to build a shopping centre or a pub or something like that. We won't do it. We won't do it. Just tell them we're going to do it.

27:54We just build the houses and get out. This is classic, classic UK land acquisition and money making. It's going on all over the UK now. The British government have come up with this stupid rule about Greenbelt land, which you were never meant to be building on, but now they need more houses. So now they're going to build on Greenbelt, which is like Greenland. And a lot of these villages they're going to build around can't deal with the infrastructure, the roads, the supermarkets, the schools. And all you get is, well, yeah, it'd be fine. This is exactly what United are doing. Yeah, we'll get a striker at some point.

28:32We'll get a left back. We're going to win the league at some point as well. They're just trying to... all they're trying to do is build a stadium and make a load of money. And look, I think we're finished. I think we're finished. Nassandra Martinez, in my opinion, should get a statue because he's exposed the lie from within. When we say it as fans, no one listens. Even on the media, no one listens. But when somebody inside says there's no ambition here, I want to be ambitious. And look, what I would say about Nassandra Martinez before we move on as well is, why is it taking so long? Why has it taken so long for a Manchester United player to step forward and say, this club is unambitious and doesn't match the standards I have?

29:13What are we saying that every player we've had for the last 10 years is just a mercenary? Because if I was playing football or you were playing football, I'd be doing what Martinez did every week. I wouldn't be happy turning up unambitious, just earning a couple of hundred grand a week. I want to win. I play for Man United. I want to win. Why has it taken so long? I'd almost say shame on every other player that's never said anything. Why has no one ever said anything before? Why are you part of the gravy train, happy just to turn up and take your wage and play shit? What squad have we set? Maybe we've done it on purpose.

29:51Maybe we have hit on something there. Maybe we purposely buy low personality ambition players so they don't speak Cup. Maybe to keep the PR spin going, you don't want a Steven Gerrard or a Roy Keane type character. You actually want somebody who's a bit of a mercenary, somebody who loves Instagram followers. Why is it taken so long for a player to step forward and say what we as fans, because we're not paid. We just want to win the Premier League. We want to be ambitious. So we moan all the time. Why have players not said this before? We talk about United players are players that want to win every week.

30:33Maybe in the boardroom, they're like, we don't want them. They'll be moaning to the press. They'll be moaning to the fans. What we want is unambitious players who love money. I mean, have we just exposed something there this morning? Why is it taking so long for an ambitious player to say that the standards of the club are low? And are the rest of them just mercenaries? I mean, I can't believe that you... Some of these players have sacked multiple managers. Some of these players have been here for years. Years. They've never put a transfer request in. I mean, I don't want to pick on... If I was Deleu, because I was going to say Luke Shaw, if I was Deleu, I've been here for years.

31:17At the start of my career, Real Madrid wanted me. PSG wanted me. Not anymore, but they did. if you're ambitious, why would you stay? I love it here. I love Man United. I love it. I just love it here. What do you love about it? Two or three humiliations a season? Fans always on your back? Low standards? Clubs going nowhere? What is it that makes you want to sign new contracts and stay here? What is it? It's got to be lack of ambition. I was listening to Stick to Football today and one thing that really did resonate, Roy Keane said, whenever there's blame, the first place to look is in the mirror.

31:59It's true. Doesn't mean you're at fault, but the first thing you should do when there's someone to blame is look at yourself and make sure it's not you to blame. And if it's you to blame, you need to deal with it, right? Too many players at this football club. I mean, look at Xerxes. No manager even likes him. He's still here. I mean, that's the definition of no ambition. This is how this club gets away with it. I mean, Xerxes is never going to come out and say the club's not unambitious, is he? Because he is. Maybe we've hit on something there. Maybe we don't buy the players we need because we need unambitious players who won't say anything and keep the gravy train going.

32:31I don't know. John United says, I understand X players' views, but have they ignored the last 13 years? This isn't the United they knew. Toxicity behind closed doors grows, yet players and managers take the blame. Let them speak. I think you're absolutely spot on here, John. I mean, look, I'm not going to massively go into this because we've got quite a lot of other things to get into today. But there was a comment here from Gary Neville where he basically said, when Martinez says that they should have brought more players in, he's directly attacking his teammates. So if I was a player this morning, if I was Bruno or I was Harry Maguire and other senior players, I'd be absolutely fuming with him because you're saying basically that some of us shouldn't be here and we should be bringing more players in.

33:11That's what I think he's saying. Well, I don't think he was saying that, to be fair, Gary. I don't think he was saying that. But if you interpret it as that and you're a player, then you might have a word with him. But as I said, if Bruno Fernandes or Harry Maguire went up to Lissandro Martinez and said, you're basically having a pop at me, I'd say, you might want to listen to the interview again. I wasn't having a pop at you. I was saying we needed to buy more players in the summer, which is what you said, Harry. And I'm sure it's what you agree with Bruno as well. I said, we need to buy better players because we're not good enough at the moment.

33:42I've just played in Madrid in a Champions League game with a 19-year-old centre-back at left-back. Yeah? We've got another young centre-back at right-back. We haven't got a striker. Why do you think it's about you? There's holes in this team, lads, that we didn't buy players for. Now, if you want to take my interview and interpret it that I'm saying Bruno Fernandes and Harry Maguire's shit, by all means you can do that, but that's not what I said. I had a pop at the owners and their lack of ambition. I had a pop at the director of football and a crap summer. I also said the manager shouldn't be being sacked before the director of football.

34:22And I also said that we don't have enough quality to be playing in the Champions League. And we don't. We don't have a left back. We don't have a fit striker. Not convinced the midfielders we bought are the right midfielders. At what point is that about Bruno Fernandes? It's not. So shut your mouth, Bruno, and maybe you should go and say something as well. This is what I mean. I think in fairness to a lot of ex-players, because there was Tim Sherwood and Redknapp on the Over the Lap Daily yesterday. I've heard Gary Neville this morning. I've heard Jamie Carragher. I've heard Simon Jordan. I've heard so many people having a pop at Martinez because he's unsettling the dressing room.

35:01This is not the new camp in 1999 when Solskjaer's just won it. And Andy Cole's just come out and said, well I should have been playing there's no ambition at the football club this is not that dressing room anymore this is a shit show right? and honestly I don't think they'd admit it but if Gary Neville or Roy Keane or Wayne Rooney were in this dressing room now in this Manchester United they'd either wouldn't be here or they'd be doing the same I just think they're looking at it from when they were at the club and it's a very different club with Sir Alex Ferguson as the manager, they probably look at it and go, no fucking way would that happen when we were there.

35:47Too many strong characters in the dressing room to stop it. The manager would stop it. But you drop Gary Neville or Roy Keane or Wayne Rooney into this dressing room, the level they played at, the Man United they knew. I don't think they'd just be silent. I really don't. I really don't. And yeah, they might go and knock on the door of Jason Wilcox first, but they wouldn't get any answers out of that. Dave Owen, welcome to the Members' Cup. Thank you very much. Oh, just a reminder, it's pinned in the live chat. You'll love this video this morning if you're a member. It's just dropped this morning at nine o 'clock.

36:20It's me and Wayne Rooney. It's our bonus content every Thursday night. Every Thursday morning it goes out. If you're a member, you get that. There's loads of back catalogue now on the members section. All for you to watch whenever you want. Today's members video with me and Wayne is a cracker, right? It is me and Wayne trying to construct Manchester United's best 11 post Sir Alex. But straight away, you've got a problem in goal because you can't use De Gea because he was signed by Sir Alex. It's only players that came to the club after Sir Alex Ferguson. So you can't use people who crossed over like Valencia, Ashley Young, De Gea, Rooney.

36:56It's only players that signed. So in goal, you've got Anana, Lemans, Romero, that's it really so give it a watch it's depressing viewing because considering that's what 13 years of signings the 11 we came up with is shite it's absolute shite 13 years we've probably spent nearly one and a half billion pounds it's fucking rubbish it's rubbish the midfield's okay Front three is not terrible, but the back five is fucking rubbish. Big Z says, check it out if you're a member. If you want to join and watch it, click and join. You get loads for it and you get a lovely badge in the chat. Big C is a member.

37:45So seriously, did anyone think we would do well after the transfer window we had considering we were losing Casemiro and he saved us how many times? Yeah, I mean, look, I don't want to be a hypocrite here and I'm sure you don't want to be a hypocrite either, Big Z. The point is that summer transfer window by all of you good people was given like a two out of 10. Most people give it a two out of 10. So essentially, you give it a two out of 10 and then we have a start to the season like this. It may well be a worse start to the season than you would have expected, but you can't give a summer transfer window two out of 10 and then be shocked by this.

38:27I mean, I do agree that there is this school of thought that United should be doing better and we should be doing better. But it's still a terrible transition. I mean, look, let's be real. Let's be real here. I thought about this this morning, actually. That's cold. Yeah, I thought about it this morning. In some ways, it's not in some ways, Lissandro Martinez has done Michael Carrick a massive favour and it might be deliberate. Lissandro Martinez has took the pressure off Michael Carrick. No one's talking about sacking Carrick. Nobody is talking about sacking Carrick, are they? Martinez has shifted the blame from Carrick to Wilcox.

39:12After we lost, embarrassingly in my opinion, to Madrid. You look at this Spurs game, one of the worst games I've seen Man Utd play in years. You look at Atletico Madrid, one of the most embarrassing tactical setups I've seen in years. Like that can't work again, by the way. You know, playing a 4-2-4 and it not working is embarrassing because you can only use it once. Now that we've used it, people will anticipate it. You have to, if you use a 4-2-4, you need to win that game and then not use it again. It's an ambush tactic to get three points. And I'll tell you why. You go with the front four and press.

39:51the idea is you swamp them in the first half an hour, get a couple of goals and then win the game. If you know a team's going to play a front four against you and press, you just knock the ball over the top and exploit the space. So Carrick went with this wild tactic that didn't even bloody work and he can't use it again. So it was an embarrassing tactic because it didn't work. But no one's talking about sacking Carrick anymore because of the Martinez stuff. So Martinez has actually done Carrick a favour. if Carrick suspends or drops Martinez it's harsh considering Martinez has took the pressure off him big time thank you for being here the club has sucked all my energy out of me says Cedric thank you very much Paul Govia hope you're doing well says the former players should remember the CEO said in the summer we're planning to deliver the league this year or next says Paul Sean Nick says he didn't call out the squad he just said he needed players to compete with also a lot of these pros are reacting on headlines and not the actual video I said it yesterday, he actually protected Carrick in the interview and he didn't call out the dressing room.

40:55But it's been twisted. It's been twisted by the media, the client journalists. Carrick actually got protected and it's took the pressure off Carrick. Martinez has done Carrick a massive favour and he didn't call players out. What he said is we haven't got the quality for the Champions League and he's right. Right. Lenny Oro was at right back. Aidan Heaven was at left back. Tillemans was at number 10. Bruno was on the wing. We had no striker. I mean, it's the definition of not having quality. You're playing so many. Five players were out of position. That's the definition of not having quality.

41:30So he's not, you know, this whole he's calling his teammates out. He just played in a game where there's five players out of position. how can you be calling out your teammates when you've got five players out of position you know Bruno should have known from previous summer transfer windows says Dale Emily Derry says keeping it in house allows for plausible deniability and therefore no accountability going public could force the spotlight on areas that would otherwise stay hidden great point Emily also as well remember that United are trying to sweep this under the carpet and the more people don't let it get swept under the carpet the more problem it is for them.

42:09How do you come back from this if you're Jason Wilcox, by the way? How do you come back from this if you're Ineos? The only way back from this is Man United winning lots and lots of games. In a year's time, if United are competing for the league title, then Jason Wilcox is a success. Ineos are a success. How do you get to that success point? You need to spend money. What we've already said, we're not going to spend money and we're not going to pay big wages. So trust me on this one, this ain't getting any better. This is just, I said this yesterday, this reminds me of a prime minister in the UK, and it's happened before, who has a load of scandal near them, but tries to ride it out.

42:50You might survive this scandal, but you're on such thin ice, there'll be another one in a minute, and then you're gone. I don't, I genuinely look at this and laugh. I find it laughable that United are putting it out there, that Jason Wilcox is going nowhere, that United are putting it out there that they're in control of the situation. You're not in control of the situation though because to get out of the situation, the things you need to do, you won't do. To get out of this situation, you need to go and buy four or five top quality players. That costs money and it costs wages. You won't do it.

43:20All you're doing is buying 17-year-olds. They're not going to solve you problems for you. So I sort of look at this and I go, one thing in life you should always do in a crisis is, you know, how do you get out of it? And there's a great saying that a lot of people use, the problems you have today may feel really bad, but in the future, you'll look back on them and go, you know, it wasn't that bad. But with United, I don't see a way out. I just genuinely don't see a way out because the pathway out, they won't walk down. So all they can do and all I think they're doing is trying to polish a turd, you know, spray perfume on it, but it's still a turd.

44:01if you're not willing to deal with the turd in the kitchen, it's always going to stink. And United won't deal with it. They don't want to deal with it. They don't want a clean house. They just want to try and, you know, make you not see it, make you not smell it.

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45:52you know if I'm Jason Wilcox or I'm Sir Jim Radcliffe this morning put yourself in their shoes what are you doing let's be fair what because we're not being personal we're just saying you're not very good at your job what are you doing if I'm Jason Wilcox I'm like oh my god the fan base don't like me I'm not respected in football the dressing room doesn't like me what am I gonna do it's not it's not a great position to be in is it you know the fans don't rate him. The players don't rate him. The industry don't rate him. What do you do? All right, I've got Sir Jim Radcliffe protecting me, but ultimately, as Roy Keane says, when there's blame, look in the mirror.

46:30Jason Wilcox looks in the mirror. There ain't no one to shift this blame to, unless you're going to shift it to the owners who are actually protecting you. So how do you get out of this situation? You need a fucking miracle, but you've already had your miracle. Your miracle was wrongly sacking Amorim and going for Carrick and Carrick produced the miracle. He got you into third place, but it was never going to last. The thing about luck is it runs out. Wilcox has had his luck. Carrick came in and took us into third place and it made him look like he knew what he was doing. But then he didn't do the things that needed to do.

47:05And he thinks that luck's going to carry on and now that luck's ran out. So what he needs again is another Carrick miracle. And that's Carrick. It's not Wilcox, is it? Something needs to come from this. Other players need to back him. Fans need to back him or his efforts will be pointless as Starkey. Well, look, a lot of people are looking forward to Carrick's press conference tomorrow. I think looking forward to Carrick's press conferences is like looking forward to going to bed because it's sleepy time. I mean, Michael Carrick's not going to say anything tomorrow that's not pre-scripted, it won't, it'll be boring.

47:42Unless he's suspending him, it'll be boring. He's not going to back Martinez and he's not, I mean, Carrick himself literally said something this week about, you know, backing the club in the transfer window. So, Martinez has shown more courage and understanding for what United should be than anyone has in years, especially those whose responsibility it is to maintain and care for it, says Emily Derry. Kudos to the butcher, says Michael Doherty. Cinco Beach, who is a member, thank you very much, pal, says what the pundits and client journalists don't understand is Martinez said what he said because of the prolonged dropping of standards over a decade.

48:15Yeah, and he sees it more than anybody. Daniel Thompson says Martinez showed more leadership, care and passion in 25-minute interviews than the ownership has in 20 years. Good on understanding him and business and not apologising as he shouldn't. Look, if I got a phone call from Sir Jim Radcliffe or the Glazers and I was Lissandro Martinez and they said, what are you doing? You've destabilised the club. I'd say, hold on a minute. I'm a player. I'm here to play football and the standards are crap. If you want to give me 5 % of the club and I'm going to double that when you build a new stadium, maybe I wouldn't have said it.

48:54But your Your priorities ain't my priorities. You don't want me saying this because it damages your reputation on your quest to double your money from a stadium. For me, I'm gone in a year. I have a short career. I'm not going to make billions out of the club. I want to win. So don't tell me I can't say anything because I don't have your priorities. Fairyland with the sensible take, the irony, says Eugene. I don't know what he said. United players are told from pundits to have ambition, yet the board are never asked to. It's just excuses made for the board, says Patrick Lynch. Why is it only those visible player managers speaking out, showing ambition and getting ridiculed?

49:38United Riley, welcome to the Members Club. Thank you very much. Look, the only thing I would say about every ex-player, whether they're Man United ex-players or not, is that they've all, all, I'd say 99 % of them, have slammed Martinez for doing this. And yet 99 % of fans, because we did a video on our other channel, agree with it. So, I mean, you explain it to me. I do not understand why so many ex-players have a problem with this. Because as I said to you yesterday, you either back Martinez or you're backing the Glazers. I don't see any middle ground. I don't. You're either backing Martinez or you're backing the Glazers.

50:23that's the same for every journalist every fan every ex-player every media outlet and every current player in the dressing room you either back Martinez or you back the Glazers there is no in between and anybody who says we can't say it publicly if you say it privately you'll end up with a story coming out saying we're not renewing Martinez's contract because of injuries you've got to protect yourself haven't you you can't trust the club you speak privately and say all that stuff to Wilcox It'll be coming out in no time. Yeah, we're getting rid of Martinez because of his injuries. There'll be no truth coming out.

50:59You know, it's bad when Luke Shaw asks for signings, says Eno, and we got lucky last season to get third and we should follow it up and we didn't. Martinez is telling the truth, says Ray. Hope you're doing well, Ray. Do you think it was a premeditated comment? If yes, he definitely would have talked to the senior players and they would have the idea he's going to do it, says Shawneck. look from what I know of Lissandro Martinez over a number of years is he's not a isolated player you know when we did the interview with Berbatov and Rooney and Rooney was saying that Berbatov was quiet in the dressing room he got on with everybody but he was quiet and Rooney wasn't quiet you know he was very vocal you know etc Martinez isn't a quiet person in that dressing room like Martinez is one of the senior players he's on the senior leadership team so So he's not the sort of person that's going to say something and then walk in the dressing room and everyone's going to attack him.

51:54That's not going to happen. Which is what I found laughable yesterday about Martinez being, you know, pissing off the dressing room. Who are you going to piss off? Who in that dressing room are you going to be worried about pissing off? There isn't a Roy Keane in there. There isn't a David Beckham in there. There isn't a Wayne Rooney in there. I mean, who are you going to give a shit about pissing off in there? look, if Garnaccio had done it, I think I'd go, it's probably going to get, probably, it's not the right person to do it, but Martínez doing it as a senior player. Look, the club's reeling.

52:33The club's in a mess.

52:37And I mean, look, a lot of people have said to me, what do you think happens next? To be honest with you, I don't think there's anything they can do. I don't think there's any, You know, you suspend him for the Leeds game and you are punishing somebody who is feeling what the fans feel. You let him carry on in the team and you're basically weak. I suspect United will do what they've done in the past. They'll just hope it passes over. They'll do nothing. They'll just hope it, you know, hope results change. Mark says Alexi did it as well. A foreign player. I mean, I don't really remember Alexi Sanchez doing anything really until miles afterwards.

53:21I remember the thing that he turned up for training and didn't like it and wanted to leave, but that was miles after. I think a new manager should come in this summer. I don't want to let a new manager anywhere near a lot of these players. And hopefully Wilcox leaves too, says Gorzilla. Look, we absolutely have to be in the Champions League next year. Financially, we've got to be in it. For our own sanity, we've got to be in it. number one transfer window have we fully addressed the deficiencies of the squad and the quality and depth has slipped more and more there's no ambition says Big Z Robert McCormack says he needs to be dropped just on his performances see Robert you know I think you're somebody that's against what happened but I again I just with all due respect I can't understand why I don't know whether you're one of those people that are locked in on his performances but in his statement he literally there's this Solanke thing that we spoke about yesterday, where people are going, you shouldn't say what you've said when you've just cost us three points against Solanke.

54:21But in his own statement, he's saying the players have to take responsibility. The players have to do better. But beyond that, there's a bigger message. What he's basically saying is, look, I'm probably not performing as well as I could do. Maybe Bruno's not performing as well as he could do. But even if we were, we wouldn't be where we need to be. And that's what people seem to have missed about, oh, wow, you shouldn't say something when you're playing badly. But if Martinez was playing well and Bruno was playing well, would we win the Champions League? No. Would we win the league? No. That's demotivating.

54:55If you go to work and you know whether you perform well or you perform badly, it makes no difference. How do you motivate? Confidence is on the floor, motivation is on the floor, and I get it. I get it. You know, Carrick comes in in January, you've got four months to get Champions League football and everybody works hard together and they did and they got Champions League football. And then you go, right, now we got away with that. We're going to go and spend in the summer and improve. And then you come back and you're worse and you go, so I've got to do that four months again for nine months with a weaker team.

55:28It's demotivating, Robert. It's demotivating. A lot of these performances in that team are bad because they're demotivated, because they feel like we're banging our head up against the brick wall here. Do you think Wilcox refused Martinez's contract renewal and as a result, he opted to expose what's going on at the top, says Pete. I don't think that is the case, Pete, because I think that Lissandro Martinez is in a very strong position where if Man United had given him a new contract, would you want to sign it anyway? And if he doesn't sign a new contract, we'll have to let him go in the summer.

56:06and why would Martinez want a new contract? So I, again, I just think that's spin. A lot of people have said, oh, it's because he's not been given a new contract. Why would you sign a new contract? There'll be plenty of clubs that want Lissandro Martinez with far bigger ambition than Man United. So, and it's not like he's going to get a big wage here. I don't think he's been given a contract and not been given a new contract. I think he's in a position of power because in the summer we've got to let him go. Hi, Mark. Didn't Rashford say the same thing during his interview after joking Barcelona versus Ashton?

56:42He may well have done. He may well have done. Welcome to Members Club, Dave. Thank you very much for that. Martinez is right, but Carrick is not good enough either. For me, the director of recruitment's pick, the next coach should hold more weight, says Mr. Darcy. Look.

57:01Ultimately, But what we're saying here is that Wilcox is not very good at his job. Wilcox sacked Tamarim and gave Carrick the job. So I think Carrick's had a good 48 hours because he's been left out of this. Martinez has basically deflected the blame, but I think Carrick's still exposed. I mean, Leeds were previewing tonight, but he's got to win that game. If he doesn't win that game, it's back on Carrick. He's had a few days rest because of this. Martinez has actually took the pressure off him. This only works if more players back him. No one is talking about Ahmad's Instagram story after the Martinez interview.

57:43What's your take on that, says Cedric. Well, there's a lot of stuff being swept under the carpet at the moment, isn't there? I mean, again, let me just keep it in your mindset. Martinez's interview obviously took the headlines. but at lunchtime before, somebody leaked the team. And it's not like a 4-3-3 that we always play. It was Bruno on the wing. Maybe if somebody didn't leak the team, we might have caught Atletico Madrid out with that front four press. That was clearly the plan to try and ambush them. What happened within a minute we were losing? Now, we'll never know but if somebody hadn't leaked that team, maybe Simeone knew what was coming.

58:29Maybe Simeone thought if Bruno's on the wing, they're clearly going to put Tillemans, Balaba and Santos in the midfield. How would you do that with Bruno? You know, that was leaked. That's a big story. Who did that? Who did that? Who do you think did the leak?

58:56I'm about 70 % sure I know who did the league because they were doing it before and they didn't start the game. But I don't have the evidence, but sometimes when they've done it before and they're not in the starting line-up, that would be my guess. But I'm not about to chuck a name out here. God, no. It'd be stupid to do that. No, Rashford started the game, so Rashford wouldn't be my bet on it. But I have got no, I've got no evidence that it's them. And I'm not, you know, people go, I'll say it, say it, say it. We're not doing that because it's completely and utterly unfair to do that. But, and I'm not 100 % sure it's them.

59:39I'm just saying I'm 70%. But what it does do, swiftly moving on, is it just shows that there's a lot of people not happy. And I'd still go back to the fitness. They're not happy about their fitness levels at all. They're not happy about how their fitness levels can't compete with other clubs. Great show this morning. Thank you so much, everybody, for tuning in. we've got Ben Jacobs on the show with Beth at lunchtime, which I'm very much looking forward to because you'll get a load of inner workings there. You'll get stuff that's going on behind the scenes, players, agents, clubs. So I'm very interested to watch this show this afternoon with Beth and Ben.

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1:00:57If you want to join the members club, link in the live chat in the video description or that. You missed mine and some other super chats, Mark. says Dino. Let me have a quick look.

1:01:15I didn't. Just been down the list, Dino. It's not there. Oh, Dino. Carrick on Sunday is screwed if he picks him to play against Leeds. He will upset the board, but if he drops him, then there's backlash with the fans. You could drop him because you could play. I mean, look, that's for the preview later, Dino, but you could drop him and he may well drop him. It's interesting how the media is twisting Martinez's words in that Martinez did not put any players down, new or old, just said we needed more players. Exactly. And that's from Gorzilla. And Big C says, at this point, I want Conte to light it all up.

1:01:51Yeah, I mean, tickets tomorrow, says Robert McCormack. Is that for the live show? Check it out. We're not going to go for Conte. They won't go for Conte. I'm not even going to waste time talking about Conte. Would I have Conte as Man United manager? God, I think it's what we need. 100 % I think it's what we need. If I was a club owner, I'd be all over that. And people say it's too short term. Fucking hell. We need to be in the Champions League. We're having a shit season. The definition of what we need is short term success. We can't be building a project in October. So I would go for him, but Wilcox ain't going to go near him.

1:02:34Sir Jim's not going to go anywhere near him because he's got a mouth on him. Be Martinez every week. So no, they'll go for some, they'll stick with carry, let's be honest. Take care, everyone. I'll speak to you on the next one. Thank you very much for watching.

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