Neville AND Keane On Carrick! Sesko INJURY Nightmare!

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1:21Hello everybody, welcome to the United Stands. I'm Mark Goldbridge. This is your latest Manchester United news. Absolute cracker for you today. Just watched the overlap, Stick to Football, Roy Keane, Gary Neville talking about the owners, talking about Michael Carrick, some really good stuff to bring in there. Also Phil Neville on American TV with an absolute banger from left field. I mean, right in the top corner, talking about the first few months after Sir Alex Ferguson. I mean, we're 13 years on and we've got Phil Neville, who was the assistant coach to David Moyes, talking about how it was night and day within weeks of Sir Alex Ferguson going and United started buying players based on social media followings.

2:02I mean, it's incredible. Blows the doors off completely. We'll talk about that as well. Also, the Sesco injury nightmare continues. I'd be very afraid. I'd be very afraid about this update on Sesco. There's some hidden detail there that's terrifying for the future of him at Manchester United and our striker situation. We'll delve into that as well. Also want to start off with something, actually, around sacking Manchester United managers around where we how far, how many points we are from fourth. It just exposes again how embarrassing it is that Carrick is still here. We'll delve into that as well.

2:34But before I delve into anything, I just want to say I hinted at it last night. It's now up on the members section. I think it's the best bit of content we've done on the members section ever. And we've done paddle and all sorts. But Wayne Rooney with a picture book of his first season at Manchester United. We literally sat there for 20 minutes and just went through every picture talking about the games. Pizzagate against Arsenal, the debut goals. Absolutely brilliant. If you're a member, make sure you watch it. You'll absolutely love it. and we're going to do it for every season he played at Man United.

3:05So a right treat, episode one. Basically, as a Man United player, a photographer gave him a picture book of every year he was there that tells the story. It was incredible to go through. So if you are a member, check it out. If you're not a member, make sure you click and join because you'll absolutely love it. Right, let's get into the show. Look, there was some really interesting stuff from Roy Keane about Michael Carrick. One of the best lines from Roy Keane was, well if results were the only reason Carrick got the job and he's not getting results yeah exactly I think exactly the same the only reason he got the job was results it wasn't performance and vision now we're not getting no performance no vision and no results it's a strange one but something a little bit niche to start the show you might like this remember a couple of weeks ago I said to you that when Ineos sacked Ten Hag some people felt it was a little bit harsh some people felt it was the right thing to do.

4:01He'd just won the FA Cup in one year. He'd won the Carabao Cup the previous year. When Ten Hag got sacked by Manchester United, he got sacked after nine games and he had 11 points and he was three points off fourth. So Ten Hag got sacked. Sorry, no, no, no, that was Amrim. Sorry, Ten Hag was seven points off fourth with 11 points from nine. Okay. Michael Carrick at the moment has 10 points, sorry, 7 points. Let me start again. When Eric Ten Hag got sacked by Manchester United, he had 11 points from 9 games and was 7 points off 4th. Michael Carrick is currently 7 points from 8 games and is 8 points off 4th.

4:48He literally cannot get to what Ten Hag had when he was sacked. Even if Carrick beats Chelsea, which is a massive if, he'd be 10 points from nine. But Ten Hag got sacked with 11 points from nine. So we're actually factually lowering the standards of this football club. Michael Carrick, we know he's had the worst start to a season in 40 years. We know his football's abysmal. We know he's got no charisma, but he's factually, and this is on the board, doing worse than previous managers that we've sacked. So when people say, well, no other manager could come in and be successful at Man United, are we really seriously saying that no manager could do better?

5:33I agree they can't win the league, but are we literally saying let's keep Carrick because no manager could do any better? But the facts already show they could. Ruben Amrim was sacked three points off fourth. Eric Ten Hag was sacked seven points off fourth. Oli Gunnar Solskjaer was sacked six points off fourth. Michael Carrick's currently eight points off fourth with one win in eight games. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing what polish they're using on this turd because there is no justification at all. There is no justification at all. They're literally hypocrites. I can't believe we sacked Amrim four points off fourth, by the way.

6:18I can't. Well, we didn't sack him on results, did we? We sacked him because he wanted signings. But I can't believe we sacked Ten Hag, who had a better record than Carrick. Even Oli. Carrick is the worst. He is the worst. And the only one he can compete with is Moyes. That's the situation. But it is pure incompetence, Daniel, and it does need exposing because I remember saying a couple of weeks ago that Carrick was on track to have less points than Ten Hag had when he was sacked. Well, he can't beat it. He literally is going to have the worst start to the Premier League in our history. He can't stop it.

6:54And the scary thing is, how does he improve it? Chelsea away, Villa at home, Liverpool away. It's not a nine-pointer, is it? It's not a nine-pointer. Anyway, let's get into the show. Lots coming out this morning. Obviously, The Overlap did their episode with Keane and Neville and Carriger and Jill Scott and Ian Wright. But more importantly, what Roy Keane has said is where I want to start. He spoke about Michael Carrick. I've been waiting to hear from Roy Keane this week because he's not really been on anything, has he? You know, we've heard a lot from a lot of people and we've had a lot to say.

7:27But bullet points of what Roy Keane has had to say about Manchester United. He said, look, in a way, it's good that it's, Carrick's got extra time to turn it around.

7:39It's, you know, as an ex-manager, he was saying, look, I'm not going to say that there's anything wrong with that. But ultimately, I think the big line from Roy was that, you know, we said back in the start of the year that he wasn't the man last year. and people were telling us, well, you've got to give him the result. Basically, what Roy Keane said is, we were saying at the start, at the end of last season, Carrick's not the guy for the job. But people were telling us, you've got to give him the job because of results. And now he's not getting results and he's still in a job. And then he went on to say, you just knew it wasn't going to work under Carrick.

8:21He loves the club. So what does that mean? Go and get the best manager for the job. And I can't really argue with that. I mean, I was one of the people that knew it wasn't going to work. I was one of the people who said, don't give him the job, but nobody wanted to listen. And I'm sure Roy Keane feels the same and everybody else who said that feels the same. But we did only give him the... I mean, the hypocrisy of it is, is that the players are getting the blame, but the players got him the job. I've never seen a manager get the job. Oh, De Matteo. Carrick is basically De Matteo. the Chelsea players when they sacked Fias Boas basically picked their tools up and won the Champions League and the FA Cup and Di Matteo got a job out of it and then the next season he was absolutely shit because basically the players had picked the tools up and got him the job because they wanted to win the Champions League not since Di Matteo have I seen such an example of that again Man United players played for themselves between January and May they didn't even dislike Amriem They weren't motivated to prove Amorim wrong.

9:27They just wanted to be in the Champions League. They wanted to go to the World Cup. And those players from January until May got Michael Carrick the job on very little coaching. I didn't see a lot of coaching. I saw a team that was playing once a week, playing counterattacking football and winning games on individuality, really. Bruno was remarkable. We were brilliant on corners. I always remember that Fulham game where we should have lost, but we scored two goals from corners, I think, from Casemiro and Maguire. Maguire was good. Casemiro was good. Luke Shaw was fit. Yeah, those players got Carrick the job.

10:03Now he's throwing them under the bus and the club's throwing them under the bus. So I do agree with Roy Keane. I'm sort of like, we gave him the job on results. Now we're not getting results and people are still saying keep him. I don't really get that. also said that and this was quite profound from Roy Keane as well he said look when you look at what the club have done to season ticket holders sacking half their workforce debt knocking Old Trafford down big list of things he said maybe they're getting what they deserve maybe Manchester United are getting what they deserve maybe Man United effectively are reaping what they sow we as fans aren't getting what we deserve but actually can any of you sit here this morning and say we're a nice club?

10:48Can any of you sit here and say we're a morally well-grounded club? You know, can anybody say that we're a good club? We're a well-liked club. I've told you before, nobody likes us. Nobody really wants to do any business with us. You look at the summer transfer window where Man City are giving Forrest, you know, 115 million and Forrest give somebody else 70 million or you look at Aston Villa, they get 115 million from Chelsea and they give 60 back for Nicholas Jackson and Newcastle are involved in this. Loads of clubs are just sort of relaying lots of money around the league to help each other.

11:25Where were Man United in that? We're not in that because we're not liked. People don't like us. We're not a very nice football club. We're not. It's a horrible thing to say, but we're not very nice. We sacked half our workforce. Disgusting. Look, I'll sit on the right side of history there. I never shut up about it. And some of you never shut up about it. But I said it at the time. I've said it ever since. There seems to be a hell of a lot of journalists and content creators out there who never, ever spoke about it. And shame on them. You know, if half your neighbors on your street that you get on with come home from work and say they've been made redundant and they can't afford to pay for their mortgage, you realize what that actually was.

12:03That's what that was. And it didn't it didn't you know, it probably got swept under the carpet because we'd beaten fucking Liverpool or we were going to sign a player. It was disgusting. It was absolutely disgusting. And it never really got the focus that it should have get. And Roy Keane's absolutely right. And we've mentioned it on here. We sacked half our workforce, people with kids, people with mortgages, people who needed that money. We sacked them all. And we sacked them all to help us pay debt that is Glazer debt. sometimes people need to lose a job and it's harsh but we sacked them all to save money so that we can pay a bit more debt disgusting and it got swept under the carpet so look we don't deserve it as fans but Roy Keane's right the club deserves it the way they've run the club over the last two years we deserve every bad thing that happens because our behaviour has been abhorrent it's been disgusting to be honest from top to bottom taking money away from charities sacking people increasing ticket prices when we're shit, trying to knock Old Trafford down.

13:06And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Like some of the stuff, some of the behaviourals, don't, you know, treat the fans like shit on your shoe. Their behaviour is undoubtedly, 100 % factually disgusting.

13:27They're tyrants. They're dictators in a footballing sense. that they are absolutely disgusting what they've done. And Roy Keane's right. When you think about it, we deserve relegation. We deserve to lose games. The only reason we hate it is because we don't deserve it as fans. But the people that hold this football club, as I said to you last night, the Man United we love doesn't exist. We actually are the bad guy. You know, when you think about it, we're the bad guy. You know, sometimes in life, you always want to be the good guy. you know when you realise we're the bad guy we're the we're the villain we Manchester United are the villain we are the bad guy it's a sobering thought isn't it so you know maybe we are getting what we deserve but this is where people need to do something because they don't represent me I would not have sacked half our workforce to help out with the debt repayments I wouldn't have done it there are people that those people care about the football club they're real people I wouldn't be increasing ticket prices because we're shit on the pitch.

14:28You know, I'd be finding other ways to not screw over the people that matter. But Roy Keane, I think, is right about that. Also, just talking about the ownership. I mean, I don't know how much weight you put on this, but some people really, really like it. I'd rather talk about the Carrick stuff because I think that's more interesting. But just to throw it in, because a lot of people have been talking about it this morning as well. Gary Neville basically saying the Glazer family have to sell now. Enough is enough. The club is in debt. You've not spent a penny on the stadium and now you're trying to borrow two billion for a new one without knowing how the hell you're going to do it.

15:05You've had 13 or 14 years of failure on the football side. You've handed it to someone else, which is ridiculous and taken no responsibility. So quite a hard hitting statement on the Glazers from Gary there. The only thing I would say is, and I've said it to Gary previously anyway the only thing I would say is that I think there is this there are certain people whether it be journalists, fans, ex-players who are happy to say Glazers but stop at including Sir Jim Radcliffe in it and I will add to this yes, get rid of the Glazers of course get rid of the Glazers I mean they are the worst thing that's happened to Manchester United in the Premier League era They are an absolute disgrace.

15:49But Sir Jim Radcliffe is worse because he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is a saboteur. He is somebody that lied. He is somebody that has lied consistently in things that he said. And people say, well, lie is a hard word. But if you don't do what you say you're going to do. Either you're incompetent or you're a liar, which one do you want to be? So I don't know what he is because he won't speak. But ultimately, I said, remember that investment banking firm that was being linked to propping up the Glazers and helping them out? I said, if they do that, they're an enemy of the football club. Then Sir Jim Radcliffe did it.

16:25And I said, he's an enemy of the football club and people hated it. And I said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to be a hypocrite. We need a full sale. If we don't get a full sale, whoever props the Glazers up and rescues them is an enemy of the football club. No, no, no. He's a lifelong Man United fan. You can't say that. You can't say that. He's going to own the whole club by 2026.

16:48We're worse under Ineos. They don't know what they're doing. It wasn't the Glazers who appointed Omar Barada. It wasn't the Glazers who appointed Jason Wilcox. And therefore, Ten Hag, Amarim, Carrick is all on Ineos as well. Every bloody transfer decision is on Ineos. The crap summer transfer window around the midfield is on Ineos. The failure to buy a striker is on Ineos. The left back on Ineos, bringing Rashford back, not selling other players. Every decision, good or bad, is on Ineos. And God, let me tell you this. If we'd won the league last year, it would be on Ineos. It's exactly the same as Carrick.

17:28Oh, Carrick should get the job for results from last season. Well, surely he should lose his job for results this season. Same with Ineos. Everything that's gone wrong is on them. So look, I think it's great when people in the media speak loudly about the ownership, but I do not differentiate between the Glazers and Ineos. I think it's lazy to sit here on the end of October and say the Glazers. Ineos are running the football side of things. We won the Champions League under the Glazers. we won the Premier League under the Glazers if we won the Premier League this year people wouldn't talk about the Glazers the thing that's going wrong at Man United is that yes we've got terrible owners into the Glazers but we've also got Sir Jim Radcliffe and Ineos who are absolutely useless and they should be called out so I might be in the minority here but I don't want to hear and I think the 58 did this really well because they started bringing Ineos and Sir Jim Radcliffe into it I don't want to hear about Glazers out it's glinius out like they're they're as bad as each other for me and i know glazes have done it for a longer period of time but this last two years in my opinion is the worst two years we've had since ralox ferguson retired so for me glinius and the glazes are the same thing and they need to be called out for the same thing so interesting stuff there um also going back to carrick um Some other bits coming out about it.

19:05Look, I think one of the... I did a show yesterday on Overlap Daily with Jamie Redknapp, Tim Sherwood and Harry Redknapp. And it's the first time I've heard it from anybody in the media. And I think Harry Redknapp's nearly 80 now. I mean, some of you may not have witnessed him as a manager. There was a time where I wanted him to manage England. Managed a lot of clubs, plays football in a good way. definitely a man manager. And he was saying, he was asked a question, I think Jamie asked him, about Bruno. And he said, look, I'd want to drop Bruno because of what he said publicly about my tactics.

19:45I'd want to drop him. But after that Como game, going into the Bournemouth game, I also know I've got to beat Bournemouth. If I lose to Bournemouth, I'm losing my job. And Harry Redknapp said, look, how is Carrick still in a job? Nobody expected that. So going into the Bournemouth game, you don't expect to lose and keep your job. So you've got to beat Bournemouth. And what he said is, after that Como game and before the Bournemouth game, I wouldn't like Bruno Fernandes for what he did, but he'd be in the office with me. Right, Wim, what are we doing here today? Filming promo for a new podcast, me and Mark Goldbridge.

20:21What's the podcast called, Wim? I don't know. What is it called? Oh, that was good. weighing as a player. Exactly what Man United was all about. But I'm sure we're not going to agree on everything. What would you think about Mark if you were a current player? Probably think he's a... We'll be reacting to all the games. Do you do your own painting in your house? All the big stories. Just have my socks on and my underpants. Good. Hopefully no sackings. The whole floor. He's gone first on Baltimore. I think we will have debates. That's why I was saying you can go first. I did. On the volley. United.

20:53Oh, perfect. On the pitch, off the pitch. I've got a little goal in my garden. I'd have saved that to be honest Stiff United has come on to him and we talk it through and I'd man manage him to a point where he's playing for me on the Sunday and the press might say why am I picking him and they might give me some shit but I know I've got a better chance of beating Bournemouth with Bruno in the team so I've got to be selfish you know taking a moral stand because somebody called me out publicly is my team stronger with him or without him. It's stronger with him. So I've got to man-manage him. I've got to manage these players, even though they're talking out against me.

21:35I can't just drop all my good players because they've spoken out against me. I've got to man-manage them. Roy Keane said it as well. You've got to be able to manage players. You've got to be able to manage a group. Training, coaching, whatever. But Sir Alex Ferguson didn't really get involved in that a lot. It was always about managing players, managing expectations. If people were down, if people were up, this is something that Carrick doesn't do clearly he doesn't do it I thought it was a great point from Harry Redknapp because a load of people said let's drop Bruno even in my preview I said Carrick's got to drop Bruno but what I also said is I wouldn't if I was the manager I wouldn't drop Bruno but Carrick has to drop it because he's just not got the personality to manage him he's been undermined publicly I wouldn't drop Bruno I'd have him in a room and I'd say hold on a minute Bruno we dream the same dream we want the same thing I want Man United to win you want Man United to win.

22:26You disagree with my tactics. I disagree with you speaking publicly. Let's have it out. Let's have it out. And this is last Thursday, not yesterday. This is last Thursday. I'm like, I want to get to a point in my head where you're playing 100 % for me on Sunday. And I've got to do that as a manager. If Bruno sits in that meeting and goes, screw you, I hate this club. I hate you. I'm never going to play for you again. Of course, I'm in trouble. But that's not what Bruno's done. So yeah, I think it's, yeah. I think Roy's absolutely spot on. And I think everybody can see it. Carrick doesn't have the personality for this job.

23:01I mean, Carriger was saying that he'll be gone in the next two or three weeks. You know what? Where are we on that? I don't 100 % know that he's gone in two or three weeks. I mean, I'm sort of like, I don't know anymore. I don't know. I mean, I've not heard anybody. And they even said it on the overlap. Keane, Carriger, Wright, Jill Scott, Neville, they all said Carrick should have gone on the Monday. So I've not heard anybody say that, oh, I actually expected him still to be here for the Chelsea game. So I think universally, everybody expected Carrick to be out of a job and Carrick definitely expected to be out of a job himself.

23:41So to say he's gone in the international break, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, look, as I said to you before, Man United sacked Amarim three points off fourth. They sacked Ten Hag seven points off fourth. They sacked Solskjaer six points off fourth. That's our last three managerial sackings. Carrick's got one win in eight and he's eight points off fourth. and he's still here. So they're breaking their own rules, really. I mean, they're not records we want to break, but basically this is the lowest we've ever been. The standards are at the lowest point they've ever been. Every other manager we've sacked out of the last three was closer to fourth than Carrick is now and probably had more of a vision and probably had shown better performances.

24:33We haven't had a good performance under Carrick. So to say he's gone in the international break, I think we're in new territory where the standards of Man United have never been so low. I don't know what their standards are. Maybe they're like, as long as we don't get relegated, he can stay. You know, we think we want to fight for the top three. Maybe the club's new stance is, as long as we don't get relegated, he can stay. I don't know what the standards are for United. What I would say is that, incredibly, we could lose to Chelsea on Saturday. And I think that is probably where I'm going to go.

25:09Well, we'll do the preview at eight o 'clock tonight. We'll do it live. But when I look at that league table, if I can just whack it up on the screen for you there, we could lose to Chelsea on Saturday lunchtime. Palace are at Spurs, so they probably won't win. Forrester at Brentford, so they probably won't win. And Coventry play Sunderland. If one of them win and we lose, we go down to 17th. I don't think we'll be in the bottom three even if we lose. But it will still be an incredibly crap start. And even if you're six points behind Everton, in this league, a six-point gap is not easy. I think 10 years ago, if you're six points off somebody, you go, yeah, you can go on a win of five games.

25:55The league's too competitive now. Even a three-point gap could take you a month to overturn it because they lose, you win. Then you lose, they win. You know, any gap's difficult to overcome. But the incredible thing is we could lose to Chelsea on Saturday. I don't think he gets sacked because we've got a match on Tuesday. I think what they've basically said is that as shit as we are, as long as he wins one game between now and the international break, we'll keep him beyond the international break. So I just don't know. There is a possibility that we're lining somebody up for the international break.

26:31But I just don't know. The interesting thing is, I was speaking to somebody last night about this and I was talking about, you know, are they maybe lining up a manager? It's just taking a couple of weeks. And they said, the problem is, Man United can't keep secrets. Agents let things out. No agent of any manager, whether it's Eddie Howe, Conte or Nagelsmann, are letting anything out about talks or anything like that, which is unusual. It's very unusual. So I don't even know that United are progressing with anybody else. It was a great, I think it was on the, yeah, it was on the overlap. They were talking about it, Carriger, Neville, et cetera.

27:15And they were talking about what happened on Monday. And I think Gary Neville said it, and we've said it as well. He basically said, after Bournemouth, he's sacked. He knows he's sacked. The fans know he's sacked. The club know he's sacked. And what probably happened on Monday is they sat in a room. They threw names around. And at the end of the day, they didn't have a name. So they stuck with Carrick. Now, the analogies you could come up with that are incredible. Like, they're incredible. You know, it's a little bit like you have a car that you need to take you to work and drop your kids off at school every day.

27:55and that car is broken down and it needs replacing. You know, you've gone to see the in-laws on a Sunday and it's broken down. The engines fell out. It's an absolute banger, right? It's a bank holiday Monday. For Tuesday morning, you need a car that can get you to work and drop the kids off at school. So you've got, I've got all Monday. I've got all Monday to get a new car. And you go to Audi, you go to Vauxhall, you go to Volvo. And at the end of the day, they're all short and you haven't bought anything. and you're like, let's get Dave, the mechanic from next door to just do a botched job on it and see if it will work on Tuesday.

28:28And that's basically what we've done. Like, we've got a banger and it's no good, but we're still driving it around because on Monday, we looked at all the other options, which were clearly better, but we just couldn't agree on any of them. And I think that's what happened on Monday. I genuinely think that's what happened. why did that happen? Oh my God, a multitude of reasons. We didn't go for a Volvo because Wilcox doesn't like things from Sweden. We didn't go for an Audi because Sir Jim said it was too expensive. We didn't go for a Vauxhall because we don't think it would do very well in the UK climate.

29:08And that's probably the truth. I think they sat in a room with better options, but couldn't agree on one. So they stayed with the crap option. And I think that's what happened. I genuinely think, I think Gary Neville's right. I think you're right. I think I'm right. I think that's what happened. What I do know is, is that on Monday, there was huge meetings. We'll never know what was happened because we've never been communicated. But yeah, yeah. And there was, I think Roy Keane said it. He says, pity as a manager is not a good place to be. We feel it as a fan base. You know, if I'm down at the pub and a Liverpool fan or a Villa fan comes over and has a chat and says, you know what, I hate United, but I actually feel sorry for you.

29:51That's not a good place to be. And Roy Keane was saying it about Carrick. You know, he's almost living off sympathy now. After Como, he's there clapping the fans. After Villa, he's there clapping the fans. Sympathy is not a good place to be as a manager. As a manager, you need to lead. You're leading a fan base. You know, you think about Sir Alex Ferguson. Oh, God. I mean, the faith and trust we had in that man as a fan base was incredible. He was a leader. He led us. Can you imagine Sir Alex Ferguson after games, walking around with a tear in his eye after a loss? It's weak. We'd applaud him because we feel sympathy, but it's weak.

30:36And as Roy Keane said, you know, pity's not a good place for character being. and that's his fuel at the moment. It's pity and sympathy. It's not leadership and strength.

30:50And that is a concern, isn't it? And ultimately as well, if we want to be blunt, who picks the team? Who picks the tactics? I mean, there's no point against Como and Bournemouth where I went, oh, I feel sorry for Carrick. You know, you can clearly see what he's trying to do. You can clearly see that it's not his fault. I mean, it was his fault. and he admitted it was his fault. So, yeah, we've got a manager who's living off pity and an ownership that's living off incompetence. And it'd be very interesting. Look, I've got to say, I don't know how I feel about Sunday, Saturday.

31:29I don't know. I'd throw it to the floor. How are you feeling? We can talk more about it on the 8 o 'clock show. Obviously, press conference from Carrick coming up. But normally I'm very excited about a Man United game. I just don't know. Like, my mate messaged me yesterday and he said, I reckon we'll beat Chelsea, draw with Roma and lose to Villa and he'll get the sack. And I said, so a win, draw and a loss and he'll get the sack. And he went, yeah. and I said the mad thing about that is he beats Chelsea three points he draws with Roma one point but he loses to Villa at home so he takes three points in the league from six and one from three in the Champions League but he loses his job but if I flip that around if he beats Chelsea draws with Roma sorry if he loses to Chelsea draws with Roma and beats Villa he'll keep his job and my mate was like but that's exactly the same scenario I've just described three points from six and a draw against Roma and I went yeah but there's a difference isn't there you've got him losing the last game before the international break I've got him winning the last game before the international break and my mate was like well that's you can't do that that's stupid it's still the same points that I said I said but that's Manchester United they'll live off the spin of the win before the international break to help him survive even though it's the same scenario that you've said but look going into the Chelsea game I just don't know I just don't know like a win is it a win for the fans or is it a win for Wilcox and Sir Jim I mean

33:17there are so many people out there now saying I hope the players down tools I hope the players play shit short term pain long term gain this needs to go south like the Titanic. And I'm like, part of me does agree with that. I mean, I can't do it. People say that's weak. I can't do it. But you might be onto something. Like this may need to get worse because otherwise they just get away with it. It's a plaster on a wound, isn't it? If we beat Chelsea and he survives in February, are we in the top four? I don't think so. I don't think so. So, yeah, I sort of do agree that it's like it's such a difficult one to sort of ponder.

34:02I want to talk about the Sesco injury, but I do want to bring this in that Phil Neville said, because I think it's something that probably will circulate now. Shout out to our producers on X account because they went and found this and nobody was tweeting about it. And I think now it's been picked up by a lot of other people. Phil Neville was on CBS Galazzo and essentially this is what he said about his time at Manchester United. And he basically said, this is not a quick fix. I was part of the coaching staff with David Moyes straight after Sir Alex Ferguson left. And after the glory days of success, which I had and I witnessed a different type of club became.

34:48I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was a totally different football club. The focus wasn't on the football club. The manager didn't have the final say and the manager couldn't pick the signing. So this is instantly, this is like 2013, the summer. Instantly after Sir Alex Ferguson left, this is what Phil Neville was witnessing. so 13 years ago straight after Sir Alex Ferguson had left weeks after he'd left the focus wasn't on football anymore the manager didn't have the final say and the manager couldn't pick the signings the signings were based on how famous they were and how much money they could make I hated it and I was shocked what I experienced in those 10 months with David Moyes is no different to what Jose, Van Gaal, Amarim, Oli, Ten Hag and now Karik are facing the club needs sorting from top to bottom I mean, that to me, I mean, look, fair play to Phil Neville.

35:39I mean, some people might say, has he said that before? I don't know. But it's better to say it than never say it. But this was weeks after Sir Alex Ferguson left that that instant change from football club to business kicked in and the manager didn't have the final saying on transfers. I mean, you think back then, Sir Alex Ferguson left, David Gill left. It was then Ed Woodward. And I don't even think we had a director of football then. I don't know who was advising Ed Woodward, but David Moyes wasn't getting the final say on transfers. And we were looking at social media signings. And that happened 13 years ago.

36:20he goes on to say they had a manager in Sir Alex Ferguson and a CEO in David Gill who were disciplined and ran the club from top to bottom whatever they said it happened the year after a new CEO a new manager and I felt it became a circus where the manager lost control I don't think there is any alignment at Manchester United I mean look that to me is more important than Glazers out you know Gary Neville is saying the Glazers need to go I think Phil Neville is going at a deeper level. He's given granular detail there. And it's important that that goes out because Phil Neville was the assistant to David Moyes in the 10 months after Sir Alex Ferguson retired.

37:01And he's saying it went from night to day in the difference instantly. And we wonder why 13 years we are where we are. There's been no alignment at that football club for 13 years. What you're seeing is, as Roy Keane said, maybe Man United deserve this because for 13 years, it's just been incredible how bad the football club is being run. And there is no alignment and there is, you know, total and utter naivety. But look, you know, there is, I am just going to say it, Nicky Butt didn't like what he saw at Man United and he resigned. Nicky Butt used to work in a role where he was the gap between the youth and the first team.

37:44I can't remember the name of the role. And he didn't like what was going on, so he left. And I applaud that. He left because he didn't like what Murtagh and other people were doing. Michael Carrick's still there. As Roy Keane says, he loves the club, so what? What's that got to do with being a good manager or making the right choices? He loves the club. If he loves the club and that's going on, Don't do a fucking interview in five years time talking about what a mess it is. It's a mess now, Michael. Expose it. You can't sit there as a puppet to this shit and say, well, I love the club. I'm sorry.

38:20I think I said this after Bournemouth. People need to start saying what they think. This club has never been at a low as it is now. We are a horrible football club. We are not Man United anymore. it's an absolute shit show and if people keep you know being blinkered and wearing blindfolds more fool them we have to start calling out what we think and what I think is I care about the football club bollocks you're a glazer if you work for the glazers and that's what's going on behind closed doors and you know it's going on I care about the football club just doesn't work for me this club is in a really bad situation.

39:08The battle line has been drawn. Pick your side. Are you a Glazer or are you not? And players, coaching staff, board, you're all Glazers. You know what's going on and you are sat there talking about caring about the club. I'm sorry. What Martinez and Bruno did was probably the right thing and they got scapegoated for it. They spoke out. Right. For whatever reason, maybe for their own good, whatever, but they spoke out. But I'm not interested in I care about the club. If you cared about the club, why are you rescuing the Glazers, you know? Let's talk about, let me get into some of your comments, then I want to talk about this Sesco injury as well.

39:52I think the caveat is they became, they came off awful seasons, says Robert McCormack. Ten Hag won the FA Cup, Jose Mourinho finished second, Amirim only came in at Christmas, so you can't really judge his previous season when he didn't have a pre-season. And yeah, so they didn't really come off bad seasons. I've got a VIP ticket for January. I can't wait, says Chizzy. Yeah, don't forget, you're a member, Chizzy. Don't forget, check out the members video today. Me and Wayne Rooney with his picture book going through his first season at Man United. It's an incredible video. If you're a member, make sure you check it out.

40:27Exclusive content for you every Thursday with me and Wayne. Amrim's doing well at AC Milan. Shows what a good backing does. I didn't see what they did this week. They lost to Bologna 4-2. So not a great result for him yesterday, to be fair. I'm quite surprised they lost to Bologna.

40:47Especially at home. That's not a particularly good result for Amarim, to be fair. Amarim haters will be happy. They're keeping Carrick because he's a nice guy. He's cost too much money to get rid of, but also the money is going to flow no matter who's the gaffer. He's Wilcox's choice and he's from England, says the United Front. Thank you very much for your super chat, pal. Welcome to the Members Club, Ali. Don't forget to check out that Rooney vid. People are saying players can't be asked because they don't run. I think they try but can't. Not being able to run his fitness and the coach's faults, says Marlow.

41:20Yeah, I mean, I completely agree. Is there some history between Keane and Carrick? Keane's criticism while fair also seems personal and vindictive. I don't think it was today, Groucho. I've watched the episode. I don't think what Roy Keane, I thought Roy Keane was quite measured. He said it was quite, you know, he said as a manager, getting a little bit more time, you know, is a good thing for them. But he just said, you know, being in a place where, you know, you're living on pity is not a good place to be. And he said, I never, you know, we always said, don't go for Carrick and here we are. But I can't, I don't think that's vindictive.

41:56I said Carrick wouldn't work and here we are, you know. Daniel says when you say De Matteo you're spot on as Jim Radcliffe saw that and thought that's what he had with Carrick and went with as it was easy and cheap but was the opposite of what we needed says Daniel remember Sir Jim Radcliffe will be at the game on Saturday as well loves Chelsea and he's in the country yeah Sir Jim Radcliffe assist record for the Glazers is Immaculate says Cap Bax should form a consortium to buy out Bex should form a consortium to buy out the glazers says oh i'd love that i'd love that damien welcome to members club thank you so much um if hiring is your job a few failures are normal but if everyone fails you are the problem how does wilcox still have a job says lazy yeah yeah i mean look

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44:27The fact that I think in business and anybody who's worked in business at any level, you can run a pub, you can run a mechanics, you can run a coffee shop, you can run a major international bank. If something's gone really, really wrong and it's out of everybody's control, like a market crash or, you know, the price of oil goes up or whatever, you will have bad results, but there's an external reason for that. If you have bad results and lose money as a business because of incompetence in your business and you look at it and you go, oh my God, it's a mess. They're to blame, they're to blame, they're to blame, they're to blame.

45:14You don't end that day, let alone that week, with the same people working for you. this is the thing that's just been going around my head all week. It's like, if Man United isn't a football club and it's just a normal business, it's had its worst performance in 40 years as a business. It's the worst two months it's had in 40 years. So as the owner of that, I'm looking at it and going, this is not a blip. This is incredibly bad. we're not ending today with the same set of people involved. You know, they've had their chance. They're not good enough. We need to make changes. What we've actually done is come out of the week with the same people involved.

46:01And yeah, look, a lot of focus gets put on players and Carrick. You can't sack the players because it's not a transfer window. Okay, you can rotate them a little bit. There's little things you can do there. Carrick tried it on Sunday. It didn't work. You can sack the manager and yeah, that needed to happen. But you can also sack Wilcox. You can also sack Barada. Like they could have done something and they've chosen to do nothing. And I think that's why people look at it and go, what's really going on at that football club? Is there something more sinister to uncover? Is something going on there that so, I mean, look, I saw something the other day and it's a brave thing to do without evidence.

46:38But people were saying, like, is there is there like something is there something going on there? Like, is it like you can't get rid of that person because if you do, they'll expose that person? I mean, it's just it's very strange. But what I would say is it's quite consistent with the Glazers. Like people would go, how has Berada survived? How has Jason Wilcox survived? But did we not say this about Richard Arnold and John Murtagh for years? Yes, we did. We definitely said it about Ed Woodward for years. is it not a glazer trait to just stick with what they've got? I mean, Ed Woodward was there for years and years and years, and he was bloody useless.

47:20Richard Arnold and John Murtagh were there. I can't remember Richard Arnold and John Murtagh going on holiday to Spain to try and sign, was it Dion, walking around boiling hot. I mean, they were rubbish as well. So I don't know that there's something sinister. I don't know that there's some expose there. I just think it's the glazer way they don't want to spend money. And they probably liked Ed Woodward and they probably liked Richard Arnold and they probably like Omar Barada. And I think they value not spending money and liking somebody over spending money and being good. And also, at the end of the day, let's call it what it is.

47:59if you don't care about something, if you've got 10 grand in an account that you don't really care about and your financial advisor rings up and says, you could move that out of that account and instead of earning 3%, you can earn 3.5%. And you just go, oh, I can't be arsed. I like that account. I've been with it for ages. You know, I'm still making money. I just can't be, you know, just leave it as it is. And I get that sense that we are owned by people who just don't care. So they just go, well, you know, it's another season that's not going that great. But, you know, we bumped the ticket prices up.

48:41We're still servicing the debt. I've never put a pound in. Let's just leave it. And that's exactly what happens when you have apathy towards something. They just don't care. The problem is we care, they don't care, but we keep them in power by paying. The reason they don't care is because they still make money anyway, because we pay money in. you've got to cut their money line you have to make them care you've got to cut the Glazers don't care they don't care and the only time Joel Glazer wanted to get on a fan forum was when the Liverpool game got called off so you're never going to make them care unless you make them care and the only way to make them care losing 7-0 to Liverpool doesn't make them care losing 3-0 to Bournemouth doesn't make them care Losing money makes them care.

49:35If you want the Glazers out or you want them to listen, you've got to hit them in the pocket. That's not some secret sauce. It's just obvious. They do not care about football. And we will continue to sink. I remember when Ronaldo spoke out and the media lost it. It's like we can't go against the real villains because they don't care. It's just dark thoughts. Oh, look, I'm very interested to watch the press conference today. because nearly every journalist wanted Carrick sacked on Monday and now they're going to sit in the room with him and kiss his arse. And it'd be very interesting to, you know, we saw some of it yesterday about Bruno and Carrick.

50:16So, you know, what sort of, if Ruben Amrit, I'm just going to say this, if Ruben Amrit was going into that press conference today, they would absolutely slaughter him because they didn't like him, he was a foreign coach, and they'd be like, why are you still here? Somebody would actually say to Amrim, why are you still here? This is the worst. If I was in the press conference today, I would say to Carrick, this is the worst start to the season Man United have had in 40 years. You've won one game in eight. You've been destroyed in your last two games. Why are you still here, Michael? I'd literally ask that.

50:55I guarantee he won't get, it'll be tame. It'll be so tame. But if it was Ten Hag or Mourinho or Amrim, they'd have their knives sharpened and they would be on them. Absolutely on them. And I guarantee you it will all be sympathy, pity. You know, that press conference will be nauseating. And I would say to all those journalists, look at the facts. He shouldn't be in a job. The football is terrible. He's been called out by his own players. It's the worst start we've had in 40 years. there's nothing wrong with going in there and basically going for him as a coach. I bet nobody will do it. Nobody will do it.

51:36They'll all be like, I'm trying to predict what the questions will be. Will Bruno play on Saturday? How does it feel like having the fans on your side? It'll be all tame bollocks. This is going to be the most nauseating press conference you're ever going to see. Propaganda FC. Transfer window or not, we can't sell anyway says Carlo Daddy Mark do you realistically seen Bruno leaving in January also love the black shirt looks good on you it's not black I think it's sort of grey but probably in the light Masraoui Sophie welcome to members club thank you very much I don't think Bruno will go in January no I don't think Bruno will go in January this will be the same season where we get terrible but get to European final Mark jokes aside a loss against Chelsea alone should be carried gone look if we lose to Chelsea on Saturday he should be sacked on Saturday night but who would manage Man United against Roma on Tuesday?

52:29The turnaround is too quick. So he can lose 6-0 on Saturday and he'll be in charge for Roma. I mean, that's how low the standards are at Man United. We already know we can lose to Chelsea and he'll keep his job. He could have eight points. Wait for it, wait for it, wait, wait, wait for this. I've not heard anybody say this. So if we lose on Saturday, he will have 7 points from 27. He currently has 7 from 24.

53:04I mean, you lose to Chelsea, you can't still be in a job, but we all know he will be. Anyway, thank you everybody for watching. It's not too bad, says Roman. Yeah, it could be worse. Thank you everybody for watching. we are back with the press conference reaction at around 2 o 'clock I've got the preview at 8 o 'clock don't forget to check out Overlap Daily at 4 o 'clock what else, what else, what else oh yeah, members section this member video that's gone up today is the best we've done you do not want to miss it sitting down with Wayne Rooney for 20 minutes going through a picture book of his first season at Man United we played Arsenal, Pizzagate that's the best bit talks about what happened in the dressing room how he ran into the tunnel in only his pants.

53:52Check it out. Take care, everyone. Stay safe. I'll speak to you in a bit.

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